Blue and white porcelain is an eternal classic, and Chinese porcelain has also directly set off the trend of European aristocrats drinking tea. In the 17th century, during the reign of Emperor Kangxi of the Qing Dynasty in China, a missionary brought the secrets of porcelain making back to Europe, and since then European porcelain craftsmanship has undergone tremendous improvement.
This is a pretty good summary of the introduction of porcelain from China into Europe. I tried to cover this development in detail in the documentary - do you think that I did the story justice?
This is much better than my college Chinese art history class. Keep up the great work. So interesting to see the cultural influences between the east and west.
Have seen your video now, very nicely made and informative! I have the pleasure of having two pieces that are from around the Kraak-ware times. Both pieces recovered from ship wrecks and three pieces of Delft copies.
Thank you. I credit my interest in Chinese culture to my grandmother's Willow Pattern plates. I lived in Peking in '79 - '90, then Hong Kong and now in Taiwan where the real Chinese culture is being maintained. As a Linguistics grad with Chinese as my main foreign language, I just have to ask where you got the pronunciation of 清朝 as Ting Dynasty? Also I see a few others have mentioned your pronunciation of porcelain! My ears are in pain from hearing your particular sounding of the word.... about 2,500 times. A pity that it is the key word in your whole monologue. Anyway, I am genuinely interested to find out your language background. Be great if you could read this and reply.
Hi Graeme, Thanks for sharing your story. It must have been fascinating living in mainland China between 1979 and 1990 - it's changed so much since then. Did you collect any photographs during your time there? Regarding 清朝, it obviously should be pronounced "Qing Chao", although my pronunciation is slightly off so it sounds closer to "Ting Chao". The "Qi" enunciation is especially challenging for non-native speakers, and I hadn't spoken Mandarin for a while when I made the video, so it was not very accurate. The "Porcelain" used in the video is just my pronunciation. By the way, my slow (relatively) clear pronunciation throughout my videos is intended to make the content easier for non-native speakers to understand. A lot of UA-camrs speak very fast, which can be difficult for those unfamiliar with the language to discern the words. Having learnt a foreign language myself, I can appreciate that rapid dialogue can be hard for listeners to catch. Therefore, I try to make the content as accessible as possible by delivering in an artificially slow style. I am considering changing this soon though (and just speak standard pace), as I have received considerable negative feedback on this aspect. What do you think?
Fantastic video, I learned a lot. Interesting to see how sadly the British made porcelain common. Nowadays people don’t give it value anymore to what was once apparently a luxury
Good video with informative & clear script. However, the speech is somewhat soporific & slow. Normal speech with subtitles could be a better alternative.
It was great except for the way you say Porcelain as Porcelian, sorry, but it was too distracting, I could only get halfway through the video. My misophonia got the best of me.
Hi Gregg, thanks for the comment. You are not alone in thinking the pronunciation of Porcelain is a little different (someone else also mentioned this), but it's just how I pronounce the word - hopefully it doesn't detract from your enjoyment of the video!
Quite good content, though short on technical detail about the chemical composition of porcelain and the techniques for working it. The constant music droning in the background was a bad idea. It adds nothing and is just an annoying distraction (at least for people who have an ear for music).
Thanks for leaving a comment, it's always great to receive some constructive criticism. This video focused primarily on the history of porcelain production, specifically the development of porcelain in China, the trade of porcelain between the east and west, and how European producers imitated Chinese designs. I decided to provide only a simplified overview of the porcelain manufacture process in order to give viewers a basic understanding of the core elements in it's creation, and to highlight the production challenges faced in the different regions of the world. If I were to make a more in-depth documentary focusing on the manufacturing process in more detail, I would make sure to include the role of Feldspar in the manufacture of porcelain. Aside from this issue, did you enjoy the rest of the documentary?
Did that BBC documentary direct you to my video on Porcelain? You must have a strong interest in Chinese porcelain if you watched both. What is your favourite style of Chinese porcelain?
I like Isekai and Time-Travel so i wonder oddly-specific this: Whats the best production-method for porcellan that is do-able if you get transported with modern knowledge into ancient Time??
Very interesting question, although I don't think that I am qualified to answer this question - I report what occurred in the past, but don't have an in-depth understanding of the porcelain production process.
@@BygoneChina Anyhting helps. Everyhting that could be summarized under "Knowledge ancient people WISHED they knew" or "Knowledge YOU would wish you have if you suddenly time-travelled!"
I thought I would look at the video for education. While it is informative, I was wondering why you began with English porcelain to show it was a copy of the Chinese and render your conclusion in psuedo-scientific comparisons. Your pace ... with ... all.... its...unnatural ...breaks....was .... a ...bit.....nauseating. Your extra syllable in pronouncing porcelain was quite odd and uncomfortable. Consider fixing these strange elements and re-posting. I am trying to be charitable here and hope my words are not too harsh. Thanks for the effort all the same.
Great video! However, your dating of that Spode cup and saucer is off by 100 years. Spode went out of business in 1833, and was acquired by Copeland. The McKinley Tariff Act in the USA required the name of the country, hence the adoption of "England." Your cup and saucer were made after 1890. The mark on the bottom of your cup was used from 1906 and later.
Really glad that I bumped into this video! Such an informative video with clear and logical historical timeline and explanation.
Your video is really amazing. I can feel you really love Chinese culture. Thank you for sharing these stories!
Thank you, I do have a strong interest in Chinese history and culture, and do my best to share it with others.
I love the materials you used, really brings the story to life!
Your feedback is much appreciated!
Thank you for your excellent presentation and gorgeous illustrations. Hartelijk dank !
Great video. Well explained
Thank you!
Awesome vid
Thanks for the positive feedback, and welcome to my Channel!
Blue and white porcelain is an eternal classic, and Chinese porcelain has also directly set off the trend of European aristocrats drinking tea. In the 17th century, during the reign of Emperor Kangxi of the Qing Dynasty in China, a missionary brought the secrets of porcelain making back to Europe, and since then European porcelain craftsmanship has undergone tremendous improvement.
This is a pretty good summary of the introduction of porcelain from China into Europe. I tried to cover this development in detail in the documentary - do you think that I did the story justice?
Great introduction to porcelain!
I'm glad that you liked it!
Why are you pronouncing Porcelain like you do?!?
Great channel, very glad I came across this video, super thorough and interesting, please keep uploading!
Thank you for the support! I have plenty of interesting videos planned, so stay tuned!
that’s a very odd pronunciation of the word ‘porcelain’…
Porceleen
The Blue Willow Porcelain British-produced plate is a good example of "Good Artist Copy, Grate Artist Steal".
I just came across this video, and I really enjoy it. It’s very interesting and informational. Keep up the good work!
Wonderfully well done
Fantastic presentation. I learned so much.
Glad it was helpful!
Next you should do a video on the history of tea
Thanks for your feedback, I definitely plan on doing a video on that topic in the future!
This is much better than my college Chinese art history class. Keep up the great work. So interesting to see the cultural influences between the east and west.
Thanks so much!
Great video, thank you for sharing! 👏
It was my pleasure!
Have seen your video now, very nicely made and informative! I have the pleasure of having two pieces that are from around the Kraak-ware times. Both pieces recovered from ship wrecks and three pieces of Delft copies.
Very interesting, informative and worthwhile video.
Thanks Robert, glad you enjoyed it!
I love this video very much !!!
I am so glad that you enjoyed it, I hope that you also found it educational.
Felicitaciones por su relato.Extraordinaria narración.
Muchas gracias, su apoyo es muy apreciado. Espero que también disfrutes de mis otros videos.
Thank you. I credit my interest in Chinese culture to my grandmother's Willow Pattern plates. I lived in Peking in '79 - '90, then Hong Kong and now in Taiwan where the real Chinese culture is being maintained. As a Linguistics grad with Chinese as my main foreign language, I just have to ask where you got the pronunciation of 清朝 as Ting Dynasty? Also I see a few others have mentioned your pronunciation of porcelain! My ears are in pain from hearing your particular sounding of the word.... about 2,500 times. A pity that it is the key word in your whole monologue. Anyway, I am genuinely interested to find out your language background. Be great if you could read this and reply.
Hi Graeme, Thanks for sharing your story. It must have been fascinating living in mainland China between 1979 and 1990 - it's changed so much since then. Did you collect any photographs during your time there?
Regarding 清朝, it obviously should be pronounced "Qing Chao", although my pronunciation is slightly off so it sounds closer to "Ting Chao". The "Qi" enunciation is especially challenging for non-native speakers, and I hadn't spoken Mandarin for a while when I made the video, so it was not very accurate. The "Porcelain" used in the video is just my pronunciation.
By the way, my slow (relatively) clear pronunciation throughout my videos is intended to make the content easier for non-native speakers to understand. A lot of UA-camrs speak very fast, which can be difficult for those unfamiliar with the language to discern the words. Having learnt a foreign language myself, I can appreciate that rapid dialogue can be hard for listeners to catch. Therefore, I try to make the content as accessible as possible by delivering in an artificially slow style. I am considering changing this soon though (and just speak standard pace), as I have received considerable negative feedback on this aspect. What do you think?
Thanks for making this video, it's very informative.
You're welcome! I'm happy that it helped you learn more about the topic!
Very interesting
Thank you for this podcast you are so informed.
Thanks for watching!!
Fantastic video, I learned a lot. Interesting to see how sadly the British made porcelain common. Nowadays people don’t give it value anymore to what was once apparently a luxury
How is it sad that something that was once a luxury exclusive to the ultrarich (ultra ultra rich) is now something that can be enjoyed by everyone?
Good video with informative & clear script. However, the speech is somewhat soporific & slow. Normal speech with subtitles could be a better alternative.
Thanks for your feedback, I will make sure to correct the speech in my future videos.
Well done. Extremely infomative...love it.
Happy to hear that!
I just love your documentaries!
Thank you, I am really happy that you enjoy them!
Just want to add, a Jesuit missionary studied porcelain manufacture in China in secret and sent it to Europe by sea.
Very true, and then other European porcelain designers copied his work in turn!
This is beautiful! Love this!
Thank you very much!
It was great except for the way you say Porcelain as Porcelian, sorry, but it was too distracting, I could only get halfway through the video. My misophonia got the best of me.
Why do you say porcele-an?
Thanks! This was very useful! ❤
I'm so glad!
I am pretty sure "porcelain" has three syllables 😄
I don't even think that Chinese Willow could be attributed to the British dude after seeing the similarities.
I think most people would agree with you, considering that they are basically the same plate.
Thanks!
Its great except for the way you say Porcelain as Porcelian ? Which is very odd
Hi Gregg, thanks for the comment. You are not alone in thinking the pronunciation of Porcelain is a little different (someone else also mentioned this), but it's just how I pronounce the word - hopefully it doesn't detract from your enjoyment of the video!
he is pronouncing it wrong
its as simple as that
I am so enchanted by your channel. What beautiful historical content. Keep it up!
Thank you! Will do!
Absolutely wonderful. Thank you. I have used your video to illustrate ''What China was so ahead''... on my channel Grandma Bente's New Adventures...
Quite good content, though short on technical detail about the chemical composition of porcelain and the techniques for working it. The constant music droning in the background was a bad idea. It adds nothing and is just an annoying distraction (at least for people who have an ear for music).
What about the weathered feldspar?
Chemical illiteracy disqualifes the speaker.
Thanks for leaving a comment, it's always great to receive some constructive criticism.
This video focused primarily on the history of porcelain production, specifically the development of porcelain in China, the trade of porcelain between the east and west, and how European producers imitated Chinese designs. I decided to provide only a simplified overview of the porcelain manufacture process in order to give viewers a basic understanding of the core elements in it's creation, and to highlight the production challenges faced in the different regions of the world. If I were to make a more in-depth documentary focusing on the manufacturing process in more detail, I would make sure to include the role of Feldspar in the manufacture of porcelain.
Aside from this issue, did you enjoy the rest of the documentary?
From a BBC docomentary on youtube TREASUREAS OF CHINESE PORCELAIN PART 1 TO 4
Did that BBC documentary direct you to my video on Porcelain? You must have a strong interest in Chinese porcelain if you watched both. What is your favourite style of Chinese porcelain?
I like Isekai and Time-Travel so i wonder
oddly-specific this: Whats the best production-method for porcellan
that is do-able if you get transported with modern knowledge into ancient Time??
Very interesting question, although I don't think that I am qualified to answer this question - I report what occurred in the past, but don't have an in-depth understanding of the porcelain production process.
@@BygoneChina Anyhting helps.
Everyhting that could be summarized under "Knowledge ancient people WISHED they knew" or "Knowledge YOU would wish you have if you suddenly time-travelled!"
@@BygoneChina Well?
@@BygoneChina Aaaandddd?
it is pronounced Por ce lain
The Dutch helped the Manchus against the Ming! Now I am really pissed.
A standalone video focusing just on this episode in Chinese history would be very interesting actually.
I wanted to see this video, but the horrible, loud, and unneccessary music overlay makes it impossible
like your Mom, son?
Very interesting, although it seems I've been pronouncing porcelain the wrong way.
I feel the pain....
Do you own all that porcelain?
The British and Dutch porcelain has been in the family for several generations, and the Chinese Porcelain I recently bought at an auction.
As the world turns.
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您的频道很有意思！
@@BygoneChina 感谢您的关注和点评!
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Great video & I love how you pronounce “porcelain”. What is your backround?
oh my god the way you pronounce porcelain is atrocious 😭😭😭😭😭
History demonstrates that European imitation began much earlier than in other regions.
the time when Chinese products are the ones being copied😂😂
sounds like a bias china boy
I try to remain as objective and unbiased as possible, although sometimes my passion for a particular topic might make me appear partial.
@@BygoneChina I honestly enjoyed the video and I did learn a lot from it. thank you for the video
Can't admit you guys copy from us. Haha!
Times when British were the copycats
I thought I would look at the video for education. While it is informative, I was wondering why you began with English porcelain to show it was a copy of the Chinese and render your conclusion in psuedo-scientific comparisons. Your pace ... with ... all.... its...unnatural ...breaks....was .... a ...bit.....nauseating. Your extra syllable in pronouncing porcelain was quite odd and uncomfortable. Consider fixing these strange elements and re-posting. I am trying to be charitable here and hope my words are not too harsh. Thanks for the effort all the same.
speed 1.5 and still hard to listen to
你是敦煌来的吗 壁画这么多
@@oranje2974您真没素质😅
talk normal
Porcelain is pronounced ˈpɔːr.səl.ɪn, not porcelian. Qing is pronounced ching, not king. Otherwise, a great documentary.
Very nice documentary. It was fascinating and well explained. What are your sources, and what books/bibliography would you recommend? thx!
This is such a great video for those of us who love chinese porcelain. thank you
I really enjoy this series of videos.
Great delivery of ideas! I learned a lot!
the background music is very noisy
Thanks for the feedback, others have also felt the same way.
Thank you
many thanks
You are welcome!
ok lets talk about how you pronounce PORCELAIN a minute?
Great video! However, your dating of that Spode cup and saucer is off by 100 years. Spode went out of business in 1833, and was acquired by Copeland. The McKinley Tariff Act in the USA required the name of the country, hence the adoption of "England." Your cup and saucer were made after 1890. The mark on the bottom of your cup was used from 1906 and later.
Fascinating! Thank you so much for highlighting this, you have provided some much needed additional clarity around the origins of this porcelain set.