Conti Kryptotal Enduro F+R currently with Vittoria Protect Trail (previously had rimpacts). Mostly rocky trail riding, I'm 75Kg kitted up and running 16-20psi front and 18-25psi rear depending on conditions which is way lower than pre-insert days of 35psi to stop rims and tyres being destroyed.
Running the Vitoria enduro air liner on my hardtail in the rear. I’m a little over 100kg kitted up and have been experimenting with tire pressure in the mid 20,s, like 25-27psi
Cushcore for me. Used them for 5+ years on all my Mountainbikes, no punctures or rim damage, excellent cornering support, excellent ride quality. 29" 26psi rear 24psi front. Maxxis Dhr2/dhf 2.3 and 2.4. Dd case. On the hardtail Maxxis Ardent front and rear 2.4f/ 2.25r. My touring bike has tubes, with Tannus tyre armour - this works because it's light and works well enough on tarmac/gravel.
@@emir5034 yes, but they have lasted and are still going strong - cost me about £150 a set. I have my old 2015 Voodoo Bizango which I've modified a lot and built a good set of wheels for it. My F/s is a 2018 GT Alloy Sensor Comp bought in the sales and a set for my recent ebike bought as a retirement present. I'm fortunate in that I have a small workshop and can do most of my own maintenance.
I do love this style of video for informational purposes. Im getting a bit tired of all the ads though. Need another "blake builds" or "challenge" video to satiate my American consumer hunger. Should have also gave a shout out to your audio gear. Working overtime in those super windy conditions!
Great to hear they're helpful :) The ads are very much necessary for us to keep bringing you so many free to watch videos per week! Appreciate you putting up with them for us 😅 Did you watch our latest challenge at the Swiss Epic yet? We're also cooking up some more Blake Builds soon 😁
No inserts, 38 front and rear. No issues with grip running continental kryptotals, no flats no problems. Low tire pressure just means more work for me.
My cush core saved me this weekend in Hafjell. My rear tire schralped in a corner and pulled the rim tape off an made me loose air. The cush core allowed me to ride down and change the rim tape and ride the rest of the day without worries.
Cush Core definitely saved me at the bike park this year(granted last 10% of the trailon last run of the day)... A gnarly puncture kinda below one of the corner knobs from the week before I plugged with a folded bacon strip finally kinda blew back out somewhat and I lost about 17psi but the sealant helped it seal some and I was able to limp it the rest of the way thru the tech and roll the small jumps, out to the car, where I confirmed I was at about 12psi left.
Tannus Armour tubeless 29er. Absolutely perfect on my Banshee Paradox V3, front and rear. Its just on another level. I weight 92 Kg, 26 Psi on the rear, 24 on the front.
Thanks Rich, I've been considering inserts. What this video has really made me consider is my tire pressure. I'm 81 kilos and run 23/25. I need to try lowering it some. 🤔
Great information, think I’m going to finally switch to inserts ,at least on the rear of my hard tail and trail bikes after watching this . Have been avoiding due to the cost , smashed rims cost more tho .
With Silca calculator, XC front 19 psi, back 21 psi, 2.4 tires, 100kg system. Never tought about running so low, but theory is that lower than ideal is much better than over the ideal pressure, so there's no problem going lower
In this Vittoria commercial you didn't mention any of the downsides of an insert, as how much you have to swear to put on an insert or, worst, when you have to take it out trailside to mount an emergency tube!
In this video titled 'How Inserts Can Help' we cover all the points of how inserts can 'Help' you. That is a great point, however, having to remove the insert if you do need to use a tube to get home. But from our experience fitting the Vittoria inserts is fairly easy 👍
Of course they didn't mention it: why would you mention cons of a product you're trying to sell? You're supposed to make people think it's a miracle product they need right here right now. A product that's going to take their riding to the next level. After all, they're only going to learn the negatives once they've already paid and installed the inserts.
I got that too. I'm on a 29er wheels and comfortably ride below 20 psi. No inserts and would be concerned about the extra weight being even harder to turn/manuver the bike.
I have a slack hardtail. After accidentally denting my rim, and getting it replaced, I now run a cushcore in the rear. I usually target 30psi in the year, and Ive felt a few more rim taps with no damage. I foresee always using a cushcore, at minimum in the rear.
I struggle too much trying to seat/unseat tyre on the rim to consider running inserts. Best solution i found is running a DH casing tyres on my trail bike. I run 17 psi front and 21 rear and ride anything from XC to downhills, works perfectly.
I have experience with Rimpact inserts, and I do like them. I think inserts are best suited for wetter/rougher conditions, although I do run at least a light one in the rear year-round for rim insurance. I also like to run at least 2.4” wide tires. Some will argue that a stiffer casing will offer all of the benefits that inserts do, but I don’t totally agree. The stiffer casing won’t help secure the bead as well, nor will they have the progressive ramp-up. Also, the vibration damping is from the material itself dissipating energy from the trail (high frequency).
Not saying that an insert might not be a more carefully selected foam than a pool noodle, but pool noodles are made of closed cel foam. Closed cel foam isn't some miracle substance ;)
Haven't run inserts yet. I run Rear: Maxxis Dissector 29X2.40WT - 60TPI - 3CT/EXO+/TR @ 21 psi & Front: Assegai 29X2.50WT - 60TPI - 3CT/EXO+/TR @ 19 psi. I might try the Cush Core before an upcoming 25-mile ride way out in the woods.
inserts are awesome. personally i prefer lighter casing tires, they just feel better on the trail, and cushcore enables me to smash rock gardens with them
There are some good advantages to be had for not much of a weight penalty. You are right though, the nature of these foams makes them a tough one for recycling
Weird how feel and look are so different. The low pressure run was saying how squishy and squirly it was, basically how he didn't feel safe, but the video playback looked rather firm and supported to me lol. Would have been nice to see a flat run, not an actual track run, but on the road to see just how easy it is to ride back to your car after a flat.
No inserts in mine or my wife's tires, Bontrager XR5 29 x 2.5 tubeless(30psi rear 27psi front) I'm 235lbs. My wife is on 27.5 x 2.25 Schwalbe Nobby Nics and is at 29psi rear 27psi front with tubes. This is the best all around pressures for both of us after quite a bit of fiddling.
5:58 that guide.. I don't understand why these brands and services bunch up the entire e-bike world into one, while there are literally e-road, e-gravel, e-xc, e-trail and e-enduro/dh bikes as well. should I still use their largest insert on an e-road?
I have missed the hardtail videos lately I’m a hardtail guy myself I love ‘em! Need a presenter hardtail challenge! Each buy a bike online spend a day with the tech team helping them to dial them in and then do a series of trials and upgrades to see who did it best but could span the videos across a few months maybe an episode of the challenge a month? @gmbn
To test those cushcore personally i would try on climbing a set of very sharp stairs going up with an angle. That way you can test the sidewalls. I would be amazed if new tires can absorb what I personally do. I need minimum 44psi in the front and 50psi in the back or I destroy my rims. I guess i ride harder than average 😂🤷🏼
Yo buddy i run a combo of Vittoria Mezcal and Barzo both in 29x2.4 and in there xc race version. Pressures are normally 23psi rear and 21psi front with a insert in the rear just for good measure. Hope that helps 👊
No insert, 25psi in my light XCO tyres (Schwalbe Racing Ralph or Kenda Booster Pro) for a 80kg, somewhat clumsy XCM style rider, the tech level of each trail varies, but it feels the best in local circumstances, wet or dry, it gives that "tennis ball" like response to tyres, instead of swallowing every impact. Yes, I did try lower pressures but I don't get as many benefits.
Nice! Yeah you do hear of some horror stories with installation! A lot of modern systems are relatively easy to install though if we're honest, they've definitely gotten easier since the early days!
Currently I'm running a PTN in my rear trail wheel, with a maxxis Ardent, but not below 1.7 bar because I don't like the feeling of soft tire in corners (it's just for rim protection and emergency run flat). In the other wheel wit a DHR it's impossibile to fit this insert, even in small size!
As a rider who averages 265# and has 35+yrs of riding, there is no way I would ride offroad with anything less than 55psi. Most of my rides include multiple surfaces(road, gravel, and dirt) so on avg I keep my pressures around 60 psi on a full sus machine.
I've always measured pressure by feeling, but after I got digital meter, I see that 13/14 psi works for my 67kg weight. I try to avoid any air time though. I run tougher casing but I could see it working with supple casing+insert.
When I put an insert at the back, the guy at the shop told me dont go lower than 1.8 bar. After seeing this, I think he got it wrong. 1.8 bar is too firm to make sense running an insert. I am 65 kg on an 18 kg emtb so definitely I should be able to go lower.
i used an older version of the vittoria air liner in my scout's rear wheel but it took up so much space you could feel it when riding, didn't like the feel of it.
I run super trail Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.6 and I use 25 front 28 rear at the bike park on my 160/135 squish bike, 25/30 on my 150mm Chameleon mullet... I have a CushCore insert on that, but man I can feel the extra weight (total at almost 32lbs), and wonder if it's unnecessary if I'm running 30psi... On more ordinary blue & black trails, I'm running 20-22 front and 23-25 rear on the squish and 20-22 front and 22-25 rear on the hardtail. I ride aggressively, but I'm around only 160lbs in gear. Should I ditch the insert or drop pressures? I have a very hard time with athletic motions requiring hips, so trying to throw the bike around is definitely difficult for me, tho I can tell it wants to be.
I used Pepi Tire Noodles once on my enduro with 2.6" wide tires. It was a disaster. The no-clog valve clogged up when filling with sealant and I couldn't get the tire unseated to remove it. Had to actually use a saw and cut the tire. Never again.
That might mean that they fold and move around too much though, loosing protective qualities. We're keen to see it if you try making one! Give it a go and let us know how it works
Cushcore inserts front and rear. assegais 2.5 Double down. Muddy days 21 front 24 back, dry 23 front 26 back and dirt park 26 front 30 back. I ride pretty aggressively and my local trails are very chunky. Even with inserts, it's not unusual to smash a pair of rims per year.
Messed with my handling at lower pressure, steering pushed back when turning off the centre line..had to counteract it by pushing back against the bars to stop it flopping off centre..very weird ! Trail or rake ??
I find that my tire pressure readings with inserts tend to be higher relative to the actual firmness of the tire. I could be at 15psi but my tire feels like it’s at 30psi. Which stands to reason as there’s less volume in the tire for air. Has anyone had the same issue? Is there a conversion table? Or have I set up my tires wrong?
Inserts are great if you're just looking to protect your rim! DH tyre will offer you the added protection against tears, but if you use DH tyres alone and run lower pressures you still run the risk of dinging your rim 😬
You don't really answer the base question - does an insert help in any discernible fashion? I ride Maxxis Recon front / Dissector back at ~ 18/21 psi WITHOUT inserts and don't have any problems. 90kg / no jumping but lots and lots of Colorado rocks. No flats. No blowouts. Perhaps I'm not pushing my bike to the limits you push yours but you haven't made the argument that inserts are actually helpful in a handling sense. Would have been better (and obviously more time consuming) to try with and without. Your sponsorship is getting in the way of your objectivity.
Also just actually looked at these inserts.... They are retarded expensive! A closed foam gym roller, literally the same stuff, but much more quantity, is like £20... And that's for a good one lol.
Totally AGREE 💯 I would love to test those inserts and destroy the rims. I put around 44psi in the front 50psi in the back. Way WAY WAY more easier to keep my speed specially when going down
Similar, but with better shaping and properties that are selected to suit the rigours of life inside a tyre! Actual pool noodle would not stand the test of time
@@gmbn Well yes, and I am a big fan of inserts... Mine are dual density which i find particularly clever design. I was just making a sarcastic note that pool noodles are indeed made out of closed cell foam - and being closed cell foam isn't what distinguishes them from the aforementioned floaty wobble-sticks:D
What, no negatives? Surely their must be a downside? How about if you slice the tire, won't hold air, now what? How far is to far to ride or walk out on a flat? What if your miles deep on a ride? That is the reason I will never use an insert. I'm tubeless and I can throw in a tube, even with a sliced casing, I can (I have) use reinforcement to hold the tube from squeezing out.
Negatives - they add a bit of weight, maybe 100-150g/tyre and they make it a bit more difficult to pop the bead off the rim if you want to remove the tyre (you have to push the bead under the insert). If you slice a tyre you can just take the insert out before fitting a tube.
@@itisnotajeep I'm aware of the negatives, but none were presented. I won't use inserts for the simple reason that if you have to remove them out on the trail, packing them out would absolutely suck. I run Maxxis with Double Down casing.
Do you run a tyre insert? How low do you go with your tyre pressure?
Thicker casing and no inserts. I have thought about a DH insert on my bigger trail bike tho
Nope, and I don’t even run sealant. I air up my tires every ride. If, I get a flat, I plug it, air it up and continue my ride.
So far not needed only i top my tire sealent before a big event and or ride
Conti Kryptotal Enduro F+R currently with Vittoria Protect Trail (previously had rimpacts). Mostly rocky trail riding, I'm 75Kg kitted up and running 16-20psi front and 18-25psi rear depending on conditions which is way lower than pre-insert days of 35psi to stop rims and tyres being destroyed.
Running the Vitoria enduro air liner on my hardtail in the rear. I’m a little over 100kg kitted up and have been experimenting with tire pressure in the mid 20,s, like 25-27psi
Cushcore for me. Used them for 5+ years on all my Mountainbikes, no punctures or rim damage, excellent cornering support, excellent ride quality.
29" 26psi rear 24psi front. Maxxis Dhr2/dhf 2.3 and 2.4. Dd case. On the hardtail Maxxis Ardent front and rear 2.4f/ 2.25r.
My touring bike has tubes, with Tannus tyre armour - this works because it's light and works well enough on tarmac/gravel.
Too fucking expensive bruv 😢
@@emir5034 yes, but they have lasted and are still going strong - cost me about £150 a set. I have my old 2015 Voodoo Bizango which I've modified a lot and built a good set of wheels for it. My F/s is a 2018 GT Alloy Sensor Comp bought in the sales and a set for my recent ebike bought as a retirement present.
I'm fortunate in that I have a small workshop and can do most of my own maintenance.
I do love this style of video for informational purposes. Im getting a bit tired of all the ads though. Need another "blake builds" or "challenge" video to satiate my American consumer hunger. Should have also gave a shout out to your audio gear. Working overtime in those super windy conditions!
They need to make money again now they are free from discovery
Great to hear they're helpful :) The ads are very much necessary for us to keep bringing you so many free to watch videos per week! Appreciate you putting up with them for us 😅 Did you watch our latest challenge at the Swiss Epic yet? We're also cooking up some more Blake Builds soon 😁
No inserts, 38 front and rear. No issues with grip running continental kryptotals, no flats no problems. Low tire pressure just means more work for me.
What conditions are you normally riding in? Wet/Dry
@@gmbn dry-to moist in summer mud in spring. Mostly loose loamy-leaves plus lots of rock gardens and slabs and rolls
@@jamesannis5372You must weigh 350lbs
@@Lenser I started the year at 290 I'm down to 245. I have dropped my pressures 2 lbs over the course of the year.
@@jamesannis5372then that makes sense. At your weight upper teens PSI would probably destroy most rims.
My cush core saved me this weekend in Hafjell. My rear tire schralped in a corner and pulled the rim tape off an made me loose air. The cush core allowed me to ride down and change the rim tape and ride the rest of the day without worries.
Happy days!
Cush Core definitely saved me at the bike park this year(granted last 10% of the trailon last run of the day)... A gnarly puncture kinda below one of the corner knobs from the week before I plugged with a folded bacon strip finally kinda blew back out somewhat and I lost about 17psi but the sealant helped it seal some and I was able to limp it the rest of the way thru the tech and roll the small jumps, out to the car, where I confirmed I was at about 12psi left.
Tannus Armour tubeless 29er. Absolutely perfect on my Banshee Paradox V3, front and rear. Its just on another level. I weight 92 Kg, 26 Psi on the rear, 24 on the front.
I'm still on tubes, but use Tannus Armour. Just right to stop the goatheads when off-road on my fattie!
hmmmmmm... that insert style is what i used to do back in the day (~2006) but with a used tire (almost slick)
Thanks Rich, I've been considering inserts. What this video has really made me consider is my tire pressure. I'm 81 kilos and run 23/25. I need to try lowering it some. 🤔
You’re welcome dude, yeah have a play around and drop it a little, you’d be surprised. Good luck 👊
Great information, think I’m going to finally switch to inserts ,at least on the rear of my hard tail and trail bikes after watching this . Have been avoiding due to the cost , smashed rims cost more tho .
True! Let us know how you get on with them :)
With Silca calculator, XC front 19 psi, back 21 psi, 2.4 tires, 100kg system. Never tought about running so low, but theory is that lower than ideal is much better than over the ideal pressure, so there's no problem going lower
We use the first model from Vittoria, which has saved us four times after a puncture. It is 29x2,6 " and 18 psi.
Nice! Stoked you're reaping the benefits!
In this Vittoria commercial you didn't mention any of the downsides of an insert, as how much you have to swear to put on an insert or, worst, when you have to take it out trailside to mount an emergency tube!
In this video titled 'How Inserts Can Help' we cover all the points of how inserts can 'Help' you. That is a great point, however, having to remove the insert if you do need to use a tube to get home. But from our experience fitting the Vittoria inserts is fairly easy 👍
Of course they didn't mention it: why would you mention cons of a product you're trying to sell? You're supposed to make people think it's a miracle product they need right here right now. A product that's going to take their riding to the next level. After all, they're only going to learn the negatives once they've already paid and installed the inserts.
I got that too. I'm on a 29er wheels and comfortably ride below 20 psi. No inserts and would be concerned about the extra weight being even harder to turn/manuver the bike.
10:01 Man, I'm so heavy, my forks got max pressure and i still got it set to half closed on trails😂
I have a slack hardtail. After accidentally denting my rim, and getting it replaced, I now run a cushcore in the rear. I usually target 30psi in the year, and Ive felt a few more rim taps with no damage.
I foresee always using a cushcore, at minimum in the rear.
I struggle too much trying to seat/unseat tyre on the rim to consider running inserts. Best solution i found is running a DH casing tyres on my trail bike. I run 17 psi front and 21 rear and ride anything from XC to downhills, works perfectly.
I have experience with Rimpact inserts, and I do like them. I think inserts are best suited for wetter/rougher conditions, although I do run at least a light one in the rear year-round for rim insurance. I also like to run at least 2.4” wide tires.
Some will argue that a stiffer casing will offer all of the benefits that inserts do, but I don’t totally agree. The stiffer casing won’t help secure the bead as well, nor will they have the progressive ramp-up.
Also, the vibration damping is from the material itself dissipating energy from the trail (high frequency).
Not saying that an insert might not be a more carefully selected foam than a pool noodle, but pool noodles are made of closed cel foam. Closed cel foam isn't some miracle substance ;)
Haven't run inserts yet. I run Rear: Maxxis Dissector 29X2.40WT - 60TPI - 3CT/EXO+/TR @ 21 psi & Front: Assegai 29X2.50WT - 60TPI - 3CT/EXO+/TR @ 19 psi. I might try the Cush Core before an upcoming 25-mile ride way out in the woods.
inserts are awesome. personally i prefer lighter casing tires, they just feel better on the trail, and cushcore enables me to smash rock gardens with them
Glad to hear you're reaping the benefits! Sounds like you ride the kind of stuff that will allow them to do their work :)
Thanks
Seems a legit addition, you sell it well. But I try and avoid additional plastic where possible.
There are some good advantages to be had for not much of a weight penalty. You are right though, the nature of these foams makes them a tough one for recycling
Rimpact pro inserts front and rear, 20psi front and between 24/26 on the back depending on conditions.
They are actually becoming pretty rare in wc dh racing.
Weird how feel and look are so different. The low pressure run was saying how squishy and squirly it was, basically how he didn't feel safe, but the video playback looked rather firm and supported to me lol.
Would have been nice to see a flat run, not an actual track run, but on the road to see just how easy it is to ride back to your car after a flat.
Outstanding Video content 👏
No inserts in mine or my wife's tires, Bontrager XR5 29 x 2.5 tubeless(30psi rear 27psi front) I'm 235lbs. My wife is on 27.5 x 2.25 Schwalbe Nobby Nics and is at 29psi rear 27psi front with tubes. This is the best all around pressures for both of us after quite a bit of fiddling.
5:58 that guide.. I don't understand why these brands and services bunch up the entire e-bike world into one, while there are literally e-road, e-gravel, e-xc, e-trail and e-enduro/dh bikes as well. should I still use their largest insert on an e-road?
20psi cushore trail @finale ..
No issues fore 2weeks
I generally run 20/20 psi. I weigh about 82 kilo ride ready.
I have missed the hardtail videos lately I’m a hardtail guy myself I love ‘em! Need a presenter hardtail challenge! Each buy a bike online spend a day with the tech team helping them to dial them in and then do a series of trials and upgrades to see who did it best but could span the videos across a few months maybe an episode of the challenge a month? @gmbn
Running 8 and 12 psi + cushcores
To test those cushcore personally i would try on climbing a set of very sharp stairs going up with an angle. That way you can test the sidewalls. I would be amazed if new tires can absorb what I personally do. I need minimum 44psi in the front and 50psi in the back or I destroy my rims. I guess i ride harder than average 😂🤷🏼
What xc/trail tyres does everyone run on a 29er HT? Looking at ground controls currently!
Teravial honcho
I also run the Specialized Ground Control’s in front and rear.
Front: 23 psi.
Back: 35 psi.
Yo buddy i run a combo of Vittoria Mezcal and Barzo both in 29x2.4 and in there xc race version. Pressures are normally 23psi rear and 21psi front with a insert in the rear just for good measure. Hope that helps 👊
Schwalbe Magic Mary on the front, Hans Dampf in the back.
Maxxis and Pirelli so far and and Vittoria tires make decent tires
No insert, 25psi in my light XCO tyres (Schwalbe Racing Ralph or Kenda Booster Pro) for a 80kg, somewhat clumsy XCM style rider, the tech level of each trail varies, but it feels the best in local circumstances, wet or dry, it gives that "tennis ball" like response to tyres, instead of swallowing every impact. Yes, I did try lower pressures but I don't get as many benefits.
No inserts for me still.92 kg rider on NP Scout.Wanna try them but cant handle the faf 😅
Nice! Yeah you do hear of some horror stories with installation! A lot of modern systems are relatively easy to install though if we're honest, they've definitely gotten easier since the early days!
Me diy.use noodle foam and its work well 💪
Currently I'm running a PTN in my rear trail wheel, with a maxxis Ardent, but not below 1.7 bar because I don't like the feeling of soft tire in corners (it's just for rim protection and emergency run flat). In the other wheel wit a DHR it's impossibile to fit this insert, even in small size!
As a rider who averages 265# and has 35+yrs of riding, there is no way I would ride offroad with anything less than 55psi. Most of my rides include multiple surfaces(road, gravel, and dirt) so on avg I keep my pressures around 60 psi on a full sus machine.
I've always measured pressure by feeling, but after I got digital meter, I see that 13/14 psi works for my 67kg weight. I try to avoid any air time though. I run tougher casing but I could see it working with supple casing+insert.
Are the inserts to run with tubes or only tubeless?
There are 2 types for each preference
@@emir5034 Ok - then GMBN should had made two tests, with and without tubes, to see if the resault is the same.
@@TheGarnh8r absolutely agree 👍💯
When I put an insert at the back, the guy at the shop told me dont go lower than 1.8 bar. After seeing this, I think he got it wrong. 1.8 bar is too firm to make sense running an insert. I am 65 kg on an 18 kg emtb so definitely I should be able to go lower.
i used an older version of the vittoria air liner in my scout's rear wheel but it took up so much space you could feel it when riding, didn't like the feel of it.
Rich, you’re running those tyres on lower than the factory recommendations straight away?
I recently had a rear insert at 26 psi and still cracked my rim on a smallish rock
is there a kevlar or d3o insert
I run super trail Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.6 and I use 25 front 28 rear at the bike park on my 160/135 squish bike, 25/30 on my 150mm Chameleon mullet... I have a CushCore insert on that, but man I can feel the extra weight (total at almost 32lbs), and wonder if it's unnecessary if I'm running 30psi...
On more ordinary blue & black trails, I'm running 20-22 front and 23-25 rear on the squish and 20-22 front and 22-25 rear on the hardtail.
I ride aggressively, but I'm around only 160lbs in gear.
Should I ditch the insert or drop pressures?
I have a very hard time with athletic motions requiring hips, so trying to throw the bike around is definitely difficult for me, tho I can tell it wants to be.
I used Pepi Tire Noodles once on my enduro with 2.6" wide tires. It was a disaster. The no-clog valve clogged up when filling with sealant and I couldn't get the tire unseated to remove it. Had to actually use a saw and cut the tire. Never again.
Are inserts only for tubeless tyres or are there items available for tubed tyres?
There's one or two systems out there for use with tubes, like 'extra protection' to run the tube inside
So done needs to make an insert, like the current ones, but hollow. They don’t need the stuff on the inside and it would be lighter.
That might mean that they fold and move around too much though, loosing protective qualities. We're keen to see it if you try making one! Give it a go and let us know how it works
How did these impact your speed on flat and uphill terrain? I understand rolling over rocks but how did the lower pressure affect your overall effort?
Cushcore inserts front and rear. assegais 2.5 Double down. Muddy days 21 front 24 back, dry 23 front 26 back and dirt park 26 front 30 back. I ride pretty aggressively and my local trails are very chunky. Even with inserts, it's not unusual to smash a pair of rims per year.
Messed with my handling at lower pressure, steering pushed back when turning off the centre line..had to counteract it by pushing back against the bars to stop it flopping off centre..very weird ! Trail or rake ??
I find that my tire pressure readings with inserts tend to be higher relative to the actual firmness of the tire. I could be at 15psi but my tire feels like it’s at 30psi. Which stands to reason as there’s less volume in the tire for air. Has anyone had the same issue? Is there a conversion table? Or have I set up my tires wrong?
Or just buy backer rod, eur 2.50 per metre
Would you go insert on the basis of rim protection or a DH tyre? This is on an EMTB too?
Inserts are great if you're just looking to protect your rim! DH tyre will offer you the added protection against tears, but if you use DH tyres alone and run lower pressures you still run the risk of dinging your rim 😬
Cushcore where
Slide small pool noodles in tire with a tube inside that…
Begging for likes and subs before the video proper even begins. In a video that's basically an ad. How pathetic...
You don't really answer the base question - does an insert help in any discernible fashion? I ride Maxxis Recon front / Dissector back at ~ 18/21 psi WITHOUT inserts and don't have any problems. 90kg / no jumping but lots and lots of Colorado rocks. No flats. No blowouts. Perhaps I'm not pushing my bike to the limits you push yours but you haven't made the argument that inserts are actually helpful in a handling sense.
Would have been better (and obviously more time consuming) to try with and without. Your sponsorship is getting in the way of your objectivity.
Also just actually looked at these inserts.... They are retarded expensive! A closed foam gym roller, literally the same stuff, but much more quantity, is like £20... And that's for a good one lol.
👍🏼
I run 25 in the front, 28 in the back. Trying to source an insert for the rear secondhand. Refuse to pay the retail price for a piece of foam.
Try tannus armour
@emir5034 I'll look into it, cheers mate.
Put enough air pressure don't worry about inserts it is a useless gadget. Many professionals have stopped using inserts
@@ruairidhbain1465 I don't know where u live, but on Bike-Discount, they're sold for 30 euro, instead of 50
@@ChristianPareATLAS so ur a real pro 👍😂
No insert 7 psi
Are you built like a 14 year old or sum?
U gotta be joking or I'm stupid
@@NeelTheHuman 3.8" wide
Fat Bike detected
Continental Cross Kings 2.3" wide on Scott Spark. 27psi front and rear, no inserts
WEN YOU DO HAVE A HIGHER TIRE PRESSURE YOU DONT NEED THIS
Totally AGREE 💯 I would love to test those inserts and destroy the rims. I put around 44psi in the front 50psi in the back. Way WAY WAY more easier to keep my speed specially when going down
Just one big marketing advert.... what a load of bull-shyte
A Vittoria promotional video?
Closed cell foam... like... a pool noodle is made from?
Similar, but with better shaping and properties that are selected to suit the rigours of life inside a tyre! Actual pool noodle would not stand the test of time
@@gmbn Well yes, and I am a big fan of inserts... Mine are dual density which i find particularly clever design.
I was just making a sarcastic note that pool noodles are indeed made out of closed cell foam - and being closed cell foam isn't what distinguishes them from the aforementioned floaty wobble-sticks:D
I see so many WC DH running inserts, only to get a puncture and the insert does little to get them pack as the tyre comes off. I think it is a fad.
65 psi is the only pressure you'll ever need.
How many blowouts have you had? 🤔
@@gmbn None. I set my own tyres at 30, with tubes. 😁
What, no negatives? Surely their must be a downside? How about if you slice the tire, won't hold air, now what? How far is to far to ride or walk out on a flat? What if your miles deep on a ride? That is the reason I will never use an insert. I'm tubeless and I can throw in a tube, even with a sliced casing, I can (I have) use reinforcement to hold the tube from squeezing out.
Negatives - they add a bit of weight, maybe 100-150g/tyre and they make it a bit more difficult to pop the bead off the rim if you want to remove the tyre (you have to push the bead under the insert).
If you slice a tyre you can just take the insert out before fitting a tube.
@@itisnotajeep I'm aware of the negatives, but none were presented. I won't use inserts for the simple reason that if you have to remove them out on the trail, packing them out would absolutely suck. I run Maxxis with Double Down casing.
It's spelled TIRE.
Not over here 🇬🇧☕️
@@gmbn But Y?
Tire inserts put too much pressure on the spokes. Stopped running then. Tired of the wheels going out of true