What are the Purpose and Elements of the Railway Track?

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  • @johnjones8979
    @johnjones8979 4 роки тому +103

    Great video again. Just one remark: Beside jointed rails with fishplates there is also continuous welded rail. Welded rails are more expensive to lay than jointed rails, but have much lower maintenance costs.

    • @milosstanojevic5834
      @milosstanojevic5834 4 роки тому +15

      Exactly. And better performance as well. 😎

    • @kaigegu2987
      @kaigegu2987 3 роки тому +5

      Thumb up.HSR usually use the welded rails CZ the impact of a passing train to fishplate.

    • @TheMrPeteChannel
      @TheMrPeteChannel 3 роки тому +2

      And they're hella long!

    • @ulfosterberg9116
      @ulfosterberg9116 2 роки тому

      Is there any non welded mayor railway anymore?

    • @uncinarynin
      @uncinarynin 2 роки тому +4

      Very curvy lines are still laid with jointed track because the tensions when warming up or cooling down would otherwise move the track in curves sidewards. Otherwise continuously welded rail is preferred, also because it gives a much smoother and quieter ride.

  • @davefuelling7955
    @davefuelling7955 2 роки тому +75

    I do want to correct you on the wheel to track depiction. The flanges on the wheels do not make contact with the rail under normal operation. There is a gap between the flange and rail head. The part of the wheel that rides on the track is tapered where the diameter of the wheel is greatest at the flange. This taper causes the wheel set to center itself while rolling. When going around a curve, the wheel on the outside of the curve moves toward the flange, the taper causes the outside wheel to increase it's diameter at the contact point with the rail and the inside wheel's diameter to decrease, thus causing the wheel set to follow the curve without the flange rubbing on the track. The only time the flange makes contact with the rail is during extreme cornering, such as when changing tracks while going through a set of points. When you hear that high pitched squeal when a train is moving, that's the flange rubbing on the rail head. If it did this all of the time, the wheels and rails would wear out quite quickly and would need to be replaced way more often then they are now.

    • @Firebrand55
      @Firebrand55 2 роки тому +4

      Excellent description...10/10!

    • @colinsanders3667
      @colinsanders3667 2 роки тому +3

      Wow ! Ok , didn't know that , it's ingenious and it all seems so simple , except there is a lot of science and engineering behind it.
      Thank you for taking the time to type out the long version of the explanation ; much appreciated !!

    • @deus_ex_machina_
      @deus_ex_machina_ 2 роки тому +10

      For anyone having a tough time visualising this, there's a great animation by Lesics that explains it in detail: ua-cam.com/video/XzgryPhtc1Y/v-deo.html

    • @piggy8761
      @piggy8761 2 роки тому +3

      Great comment
      Should be pinned, if only multiple comments can be pinned

    • @piggy8761
      @piggy8761 2 роки тому +3

      @@deus_ex_machina_ thank you

  • @captainkeyboard1007
    @captainkeyboard1007 2 роки тому +5

    This was the best railroad show I have seen. I learned more about the railroad track I have not learned before. I thought that a sleeper is only a concrete rail tie. The modern track that was shown is suitable for track with welded rails, except on trestles. Your show enhances my appreciation for the railroad. Thank you for clean, clear and thorough explanations about the railroad track.

    • @JP_TaVeryMuch
      @JP_TaVeryMuch Рік тому +2

      You might like to know that sleepers made from recycled heavy grade plastic are now being used in the UK and presumably soon elsewhere.
      The manufacturers say that they're frost/oil/sunlight - proof and last longer than anything used up to now.

    • @captainkeyboard1007
      @captainkeyboard1007 Рік тому +2

      @@JP_TaVeryMuch I am delighted to learn that sleepers are made of other materials besides, wood, concrete and metal. I think that some rapid transit systems can use heavy-duty plastic rail ties on trestles, as in elevated steel bridges, as an alternative to wood ties. Thank you for tapping or typing to me.

  • @alejandrocastillotrujillo6055
    @alejandrocastillotrujillo6055 4 роки тому +20

    Keep up this excellent work guys! Im an urban planning student in Colombia and your videos have helped me understand lots of the engeneering aspects of trains... I hope one day we can bring back trains to my country :)

    • @RailwaysExplained
      @RailwaysExplained  4 роки тому +4

      We are glad we helped. That's why we launched this channel.

    • @captainkeyboard1007
      @captainkeyboard1007 2 роки тому +1

      @@RailwaysExplained Thank you for tapping or typing to me. Happy Railroading!

  • @andrewpaddock7560
    @andrewpaddock7560 3 роки тому +22

    Learning how the stuff actually works and the names was enjoyable. Some of this stuff I'd heard of before but didn't understand. I have a better appreciation for the engineering involved in an element I never gave much thought to. I didn't understand the math, of course, as I wasn't taught that level of math at school, never mind physics. I got the gist of it, though. Thanks for the video!

  • @robertperrella4194
    @robertperrella4194 3 роки тому +3

    brilliant well researched video which sad to say most people take for granted !!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @unjustifiablyneglectedtopi8293
    @unjustifiablyneglectedtopi8293 4 роки тому +17

    For one more time: well done! 😎

  • @EarlJohn61
    @EarlJohn61 2 роки тому +4

    So few gauges, in Australia there are at least 14, although I will admit that only 3 are used for mainline operations.

  • @haroldramone
    @haroldramone 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks. Keep the Railways Explained videos coming.

  • @xouxoful
    @xouxoful 2 роки тому +5

    A fishplate (french : éclisse) was also the cause of the brétigny accident. It was lacking some bolt so it detached itself and got stuck inside a switch, making a train derail (with victims among people waiting for the RER nearby.)

  • @michaeleverett1479
    @michaeleverett1479 3 роки тому +7

    The video doesn't mention that most steel wheeled metro systems use ballastless railway tracks especially in the underground and elevated segments. Although, the at ground segments including metro systems and other types of trains frequently use railway track with ballast.

  • @trainstrains1
    @trainstrains1 3 роки тому +2

    Another great video and one I will use to teach my trainees. Thank you again.

  • @AaronSmith-kr5yf
    @AaronSmith-kr5yf 2 роки тому +8

    Here on US freight railways they're ripping out concrete ties on some section of track and going back to wooden. They were supposed to be more durable than wood but ended up cracking/falling apart earlier. Word is the company who made the ties defrauded the rail roads by using the wrong mix(ie cheaper) of concrete. Or could be that the rail roads spec'd a cheap grade of concrete that didn't last. Whatever the case there is a lot of finger pointing/blame going around and its cost the rail roads a lot more money than if they had just stuck with wooden ties.

    • @jovetj
      @jovetj 11 місяців тому

      Concrete ties are not ideal everywhere. Coal dust destroys them pretty readily, for example. Many Europeans don't really seem to grasp this.

  • @mattwilliam5522
    @mattwilliam5522 2 роки тому +1

    Great video. I retired from the railroad and you nailed it

  • @v.m.2526
    @v.m.2526 4 роки тому +3

    Man kann viel aus euren Videos lernen! Wie immer, gut erklärt! 🙂

  • @mustafaothman4426
    @mustafaothman4426 3 роки тому +2

    Many thanks for the great and simplified information.

  • @nikolapetrovic10000
    @nikolapetrovic10000 4 роки тому +2

    Good job, keep doing what you are doing.

  • @JohnnyAngel8
    @JohnnyAngel8 2 роки тому +2

    At 07:37, it's the Tehachapi Loop in Kern County, California!

  • @Edward4Plantagenet
    @Edward4Plantagenet 2 роки тому +3

    Great content, thank you for explaining basics of railways so beautiful & easily 🥰

  • @amirbrotzki9752
    @amirbrotzki9752 4 роки тому +2

    Another great video as always. Thank you!!!

  • @colinsanders3667
    @colinsanders3667 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you ! I learnt a bit about railway tracks and found it most interesting. 👍

  • @RazielKainus
    @RazielKainus 4 роки тому +4

    nice, now I kinda understand how come the rails stay in place despite such big loads :)

  • @mindanaorailway
    @mindanaorailway Рік тому +1

    Nice summary. Thanks for posting

  • @DanielsUKT
    @DanielsUKT 3 роки тому +1

    Good to hear about the components that go into railway track and until I saw this video I thought it was all done by ballast underneath

  • @Titangon0903
    @Titangon0903 2 роки тому +1

    great explanation. Good job

  • @captainkeyboard1007
    @captainkeyboard1007 2 роки тому +3

    I hope to see a show about welded rails. Will you please make one?

  • @Igorp133
    @Igorp133 2 роки тому +2

    Great video! Please make another video about different types of ballastless tracks, different types of rails, the difference between tram and rail track, electrification types, etc…

    • @RailwaysExplained
      @RailwaysExplained  2 роки тому +2

      Electrification systems are published. Check it out!

    • @Igorp133
      @Igorp133 2 роки тому

      @@RailwaysExplained watched it already! Thanks a lot!

  • @loudsubwoofer8492
    @loudsubwoofer8492 2 роки тому +1

    i learned something. i did not know there were wooden tracks before iron rails going back at least 400 years. cool!

    • @JP_TaVeryMuch
      @JP_TaVeryMuch Рік тому

      There are even sections of ancient granite track on Dartmoor in the UK

  • @alexn5229
    @alexn5229 4 роки тому +2

    Ahh now I learn even more about tracks before. Also new subscriber here 😊

  • @vedantganesh6923
    @vedantganesh6923 2 роки тому +3

    6:52 Just a small correction, for this diagram, the (/cm^2) part is not needed, a pascal already is defined as 1N/m^2. The numerical value is also wrong, as 10 tons = 10,000 kilograms = (on earth) ~100,000N. 1.3cm^2 = 0.00013 m^2. 100,000N/0.00013m^2~770 MPa, much higher than your calculated value of 7.7 MPa. However, I think your example still works, as 100,000N/1 m^2 at the soil level is 100 kPa, which is still below the compressive strength of compacted soil.

  • @Meme1man
    @Meme1man 2 роки тому +2

    There is also a plastic sleeper type.

  • @fightington
    @fightington 2 роки тому +1

    Such a quality video and presentation

  • @TDIMAXDIESEL
    @TDIMAXDIESEL 4 роки тому +1

    Very interesting and educational, thanks for sharing ! 😊🇨🇦

  • @jfp3earth357
    @jfp3earth357 2 роки тому +3

    You guys should definitely make them full video series of railroad infrastructure including the trains themselves like the types of trains including Metro, light rail, High-Speed Rail, Regional Rail, commuter rail, you should also include the future ways of travel such as hyperloop. It also include interlocking signals overhead wires third rail milepost Etc. That would be wonderful for me to learn

  • @jurgschupbach3059
    @jurgschupbach3059 2 роки тому +2

    The main causes of death were maltreatment, starvation, overwork and disease. The work itself was gruelling and dangerous. Apart from building bridges, it involved clearing jungle, then constructing embankments or cuttings on steep hills to ensure the gradient of the track was gentle enough for the trains.

  • @ausbare140
    @ausbare140 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you I did learn something very good video.

  • @GCarnell
    @GCarnell 3 роки тому +1

    Well done, sir.

  • @Me-sx2dm
    @Me-sx2dm 2 роки тому +1

    Great Video👍

  • @thomasciarlariello
    @thomasciarlariello Рік тому +1

    "Railways & War Before 1918" by Bishop & Davis such as Decauvile portables.

  • @AngelAdrian-sk3fy
    @AngelAdrian-sk3fy 7 місяців тому +1

    Wow looks so good

  • @ronboff3461
    @ronboff3461 3 роки тому +1

    excellent! as always!

  • @reborn2020
    @reborn2020 4 роки тому +6

    Cool video, today I have learned something new! By the way, it would be interesting to see a video on Japans regional train lines. How did Japan manage to revive rural railway.

    • @RailwaysExplained
      @RailwaysExplained  4 роки тому +2

      Good to hear that! 😊 Something related to Japan is already been cooking 😎

    • @reborn2020
      @reborn2020 4 роки тому +1

      @@RailwaysExplained Great! I am a railway enthusiast! thank you for your informative channel. It would also be interesting to know what railway companies are the most profitable ones. Or another topic would be, the components of ticket expenses on each journey.

    • @RailwaysExplained
      @RailwaysExplained  4 роки тому +2

      @@reborn2020 thank you very much for your suggestions! We're glad to have you here. 😎 List of topics is endless...

  • @izy1561
    @izy1561 2 роки тому +2

    Good channel. Could you explain this "why are the rails gap awelding?" oldiest time our teacher tell us rails must have gap because summer time iron gets expand. Old railway picture shows us this whirling. These summer more hot than days and trains are so faster. Thank you.

  • @phongnguyen007
    @phongnguyen007 2 роки тому +1

    great video, thank!

  • @beringstraitrailway
    @beringstraitrailway Рік тому +1

    Subscribed!

  • @haideral-allak1908
    @haideral-allak1908 3 роки тому +1

    Brilliant ... well done

  • @jameswangai8175
    @jameswangai8175 2 роки тому +1

    GREAT VIDEO

  • @stephendaly6156
    @stephendaly6156 7 місяців тому

    great video - thanks

  • @DerekDavis213
    @DerekDavis213 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you Yakov Smirnoff for narrating this video.

  • @ronboff3461
    @ronboff3461 2 роки тому +1

    excellent! thank you!

  • @pearlyhumbucker9065
    @pearlyhumbucker9065 2 роки тому +2

    To Railways Explained:
    You throw slab track and ballastless track into one box. That is not correct. Even though Wikipedia uses the same simplification, it still doesn't make it correct.
    Slab track is a type of ballastless track, but ballastless track is not necessarily slab track.
    Slab track is primarily a track substructure system, developed by for example PORR Austria, and comes in the form of slabs - i.e. several sleepers on one slab ex works.
    Ballastless track can also be produced by means of special sleepers cast in concrete or asphalt.
    Slab tracks are therefore prefabricated parts, whereas ballastless tracks are not necessarily slabs, but are produced and cast on site as a solid carriageway.

  • @trailwayt9H337
    @trailwayt9H337 3 роки тому +1

    🌹THANKYOU SIR.. FOR YOUR INFORMA
    TIONS.. 🌹GOOD🌹👍

  • @TheCondoInRedondo
    @TheCondoInRedondo 3 роки тому +3

    Generally speaking, well done. However, there were two illustrations you used depicting wheel flanges as touching both rail crowns (heads) simultaneously. That (of course) is physically impossible. And on straight segments, neither wheel flange touches the rail crown. Only when negotiating curves does a flange touch the rail crown causing the familiar squeaking noise.

    • @h.mandelene3279
      @h.mandelene3279 2 роки тому

      "negotiating curves does a flange touch the rail crown " Only if the turn is the minimum radius before rubbing and squeaking. Do you know what that radius is??

    • @TheCondoInRedondo
      @TheCondoInRedondo 2 роки тому

      @@h.mandelene3279 There is no set minimum radius. Flange strike happens when the bogeys fail to rotate as rapidly as necessary to negotiate the change in radius rather than within the curve itself for the speed of the train entering (or leaving) a curved piece of track with constant radius.
      That was a mouthful. Let me break it down.
      Say the train is on a straight piece of track. The cant of the rolling surfaces of the wheels will keep the wheelset centered between the tracks and there won't be any flange strike.
      Believe it or not, that same thing happens once a train is well into a curve with constant radius. That's because the bogeys have (by that time) rotated to the appropriate angle and the cant is able to perform its magic again.
      The problem happens where you have a transition between a straight piece of track and the curve.. or where there is a change in curve radius. These transitions are where the bogey's rotation angle (left/right) changes. This is where you get flange strike if the bogey doesn't fully rotate as quickly as necessary to avoid flange strike. It is the contact of the flange (on the outer wheel of the lead axle) with the inner surface of the rail crown that (then) forces the bogey to rotate. The squeal happens when the flange physically scrapes the inner surface of the crown.

    • @h.mandelene3279
      @h.mandelene3279 2 роки тому

      @@TheCondoInRedondo "There is no set minimum radius." but there is(well before rubbing\slipping). The reason the wheel is tapered is so as it takes the turn the outer rail is longer than the inner rail. the taper compensates as the outer wheel rides higher than the inner wheel. When the turn gets too tight, one wheel will max out rubbing the flange and "scrape" the side of the rail.
      That's cool. Next time I see a train, I will measure the angle of the wheel and do the math myself.

    • @TheCondoInRedondo
      @TheCondoInRedondo 2 роки тому

      @@h.mandelene3279 Don't forget... the rotation angle the bogey must take depends not only upon the radius of the curve, but also the distance between the rotation axes of the front and rear bogeys.
      Take a rather tight curve of radius 500 feet. An Amfleet coach will experience three times more bogey rotation compared to a Lehigh Valley caboose. That's because the distance between bogey supports on Amfleet is just under sixty feet. The caboose has just under twenty feet between the king pins of the front and rear bogeys.

    • @h.mandelene3279
      @h.mandelene3279 2 роки тому

      @@TheCondoInRedondo I realize there will also be rubbing with the distance between each outer axle on each truck such as the DD40x, or a 4-8-4 steam, or even the 3 axle SD40-2\old Pullman car's truck. I am just inquiring the geometry for typical like a freight car's 1 axle.

  • @jpareditoz
    @jpareditoz Рік тому

    Excellent info

  • @lukat7052
    @lukat7052 3 роки тому +2

    Interesting stuff

  • @jfp3earth357
    @jfp3earth357 2 роки тому +1

    In parts of my country there are tracks with four rails connected by either wooden or concrete ties. Mostly at certain train stations. Can you make a part 2 of this video explaining that along with track switches

  • @davidpeterson709
    @davidpeterson709 Рік тому

    My dad worked for, Kansas City Southern Railroad, , he said even if you don't see the gates and lights blinking, always slow down and look both ways,, like my dad said if we meet, YOU LOSE.

  • @spurthichadharam9144
    @spurthichadharam9144 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you I think we can shall may vphv understand the importance truth and value of a Railway layout materials internal structure its layout proper stable design necessary rules and regulations to be taken precautions etc., at any cost........and maintain a proper rail network to provide proper transportation and communication with minimal side effects to the world........

  • @polyrhythmia
    @polyrhythmia 3 роки тому +1

    As I understand it, on a ballastless system, there rubber pads to provide elasticity.

  • @DavidDuVivier
    @DavidDuVivier 5 місяців тому

    It would have been nice if two further issues - both quite basic in the context of RR track design - had been covered here:
    (a) Continuous Welded Rail (CWR), and where its use in feasible and appropriate
    (b) Whether or not slab track is suitable in regions with extreme variations of temperature and weather (e.g. in the heart of the Eurasian landmass: On the Trans-Sib, BAM, in central Kazakhstan, etc.).
    Otherwise: Reasonably well done, so... Thumbs up!

  • @RightTracks786
    @RightTracks786 2 роки тому +1

    You r all video informatic♥
    How much cost slab trac each KM in US Dollar?

  • @Edward4Plantagenet
    @Edward4Plantagenet 2 роки тому +1

    Thermite Welding is also used in joining the rails.

  • @matthewbrightman3398
    @matthewbrightman3398 2 роки тому

    Road the ICE in Germany this weekend; it hit 300 km/hr! Super smooth. Any idea what the flatness tolerance is for that kind of rail? And how can they hold it that flat?

  • @sreedharraj3821
    @sreedharraj3821 3 роки тому +1

    A great video...

  • @franklinbarrett4630
    @franklinbarrett4630 3 роки тому +1

    Great video, thanks.

  • @ivanbradley-reeder1240
    @ivanbradley-reeder1240 2 роки тому +1

    The anchors You showed are not used anymore and they also do not secure the rail but instead prevent tie movement

  • @debajitsarkar1083
    @debajitsarkar1083 2 місяці тому

    Make a video of history of rail and how it improved,old to maglev and which country used which one

  • @PrenticeBoy1688
    @PrenticeBoy1688 2 роки тому +1

    No idea where you're from but I'm pretty sure I've heard a similar accent singing the words 'Blessed be the Kingdom of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit now and ever and forever'.

  • @ianhoughton2426
    @ianhoughton2426 2 роки тому +1

    Hello, would love an answer in the next 12 hours if possible. (I understand it might be impossible)
    Have you got the link to a 40% estimate increase in new ballast less track then going with a ballast? Would this be similar for light rail and trams rather than heavy rail?

    • @RailwaysExplained
      @RailwaysExplained  2 роки тому

      On this link, you can find an interesting literature review in regard to introduction of ballastless track
      kth.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:955164/FULLTEXT01.pdf

    • @ianhoughton2426
      @ianhoughton2426 2 роки тому +1

      @@RailwaysExplained thanks very much! I’m new to rail as a Project Manager, so I might be watching a fair bit more of your content to get the engineering basics. Next topic for me will be overhead electrics and OLE

    • @RailwaysExplained
      @RailwaysExplained  2 роки тому

      We wish you good luck. We are available if more literature(e-books) on railway engineering is needed. You have an email in the description of our channel.

  • @pavelperina7629
    @pavelperina7629 Рік тому

    Regarding to track load. In Czech Republic, load it 22.5t per axle at most and I assume it's the same across whole Europe, cause each locomotive seems to weight like 87-88 tons, no more, no less. Isn't there any demand for increasing load capacity on certain tracks running at capacity limit?

  • @duncansantan
    @duncansantan 2 роки тому +1

    i luv treins.............thenk u very much...............

  • @danielsee1
    @danielsee1 5 місяців тому

    I have always heard sleepers called ties.

  • @chilldude30
    @chilldude30 3 роки тому +1

    Amazing

  • @dennisnorsherd2339
    @dennisnorsherd2339 2 роки тому +1

    What are the Purpose and Elements of the Railway Track? To take you to places other then car or plane that's far away? How did I do?

  • @Lunar-AnViFox
    @Lunar-AnViFox 3 роки тому

    I love those concrete slab tracks, they are... more asthetically pleasing i think

  • @Karim-en9on
    @Karim-en9on 2 роки тому

    Best policy

  • @numeroVLAD
    @numeroVLAD 2 роки тому +1

    Units of stress are so messed up. Why not MPa. Definitly its not kilonewtons per cm2 as author suggest. Idk what is kp

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  • @jodyjohnson265
    @jodyjohnson265 2 роки тому +1

    Are blassless tracks found in subways?

  • @ciolek101
    @ciolek101 2 роки тому +1

    For me to take pictures of trains.

  • @aliuyar6365
    @aliuyar6365 Рік тому

    Thnks

  • @pramodmehta1349
    @pramodmehta1349 2 роки тому +1

    ALL FUTURE RAIL TRACK SHOULD BE BALLESTLESS IF WE WANT TO BE SUPER POWER UP TO 2047

  • @bagusshuda5838
    @bagusshuda5838 Рік тому +1

    great

  • @widisobarna8437
    @widisobarna8437 Рік тому +1

    in the middle .. 🐈

  • @danielsee1
    @danielsee1 5 місяців тому

    The T in fasten is silent!!! Just like the T in often.

  • @mtahabigdeli6357
    @mtahabigdeli6357 Рік тому +1

    Hello . Please translate this video to farsi . Thank you . Good night . Good luck .

    • @엄준코
      @엄준코 8 місяців тому

      Why does he have to? Learn English first.

  • @thomasciarlariello
    @thomasciarlariello Рік тому

    Dystopian to herd citizens into agricultural serfdom since roads and airports are better.

  • @nikolaospeterson2495
    @nikolaospeterson2495 2 роки тому +1

    Interesting to educateAmericans and other people not to familiar with railway technology I would say though that the carriages wagons, and locomotives, plus maintenance equipment are NOT calleed vehicles! A vehicle one must manually steer. In railway parliance such that rolls on the tracks are called ROLLING STOCK (in English).
    Also another video with a phantom host, NO name, NO credentials, and no äa rollä scenes the host+ Stepping out onto the public arena woul show confidence and that zou avail zourself of honesty and credibility. Total cocoonment You would get more like clicks if you stepped out of the dressing room onto the stage Thanks

  • @googoo-gjoob
    @googoo-gjoob 2 роки тому +1

    to say the letter *V,* place your bottom teeth against your upper lip. then you will say V, not W. best wishes.

    • @JP_TaVeryMuch
      @JP_TaVeryMuch Рік тому +1

      A missed golden opportunity to suggest practising on the word Vanquish..!

  • @thebluetarp
    @thebluetarp 2 роки тому +1

    Weedio

  • @scottl.1568
    @scottl.1568 2 роки тому

    Whut

  • @henryhorner3182
    @henryhorner3182 Рік тому

    Poor narration quality.

  • @waqaskhanniazi2129
    @waqaskhanniazi2129 Рік тому +1

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