@@mutandaeffiong2685 Yea as a Warriors fan I have Garland winning mip but no one else had any expectations for Poole either and he should’ve been a candidate
@@whocares3319 agreed. That's why they will play him for the next two seasons. If he blossoms great, if he doesn't but has decent trade value, get some additional pieces. It's not like we will be lacking talent.
Hell NO. I can see Steph, Klay, Wiggs & Dray would "probably or not" do that but not for Poole, GP2, Wiseman, Kuminga, & Moody. NBA Teams ain't loyal. Remember that. These players I've mentioned should cash-out. Fcuk pay-cuts!
@@leandrokrallinger8195 more like they owe him lmao without curry in 2019 they sucked in 2020 they missed the playoffs with curry and he was carrying them only unanimous mvp curry made the warriors relevant added klay and Dray helped plus curry the face of the franchise curry done everything for him
Uhhh it takes an injury and a minutes restriction. Poole was having a tonne of momentum with the team while steph was out and coaching staff wasn't about to just change all that with the playoffs rolling in. My guess is Klay will eventually be rotated into a bench role should Poole stay with the team
@@oxfordbambooshootify klay will not come off the bench, they will have Wiggins come off the bench before klay. We all caught up in the moment. We forgot who klay Thompson is.
JP is the real deal. He lives for these big time moments. I love the synergy of this team. Dubs for the 4th chip in 2022. Death Squad is phenomenal Steph, Klay, Dray, Poole and Wiggs are annihilating teams. Steph shows what true leadership is. Team comes first and ego stays outside the door.
I don't think they need to? Poole is signed through next year cheap and that's when Wiggins is signed through. So if they extend Poole, it's OK cus Wiggins will be coming off the books.
@@Salman-wn8sr to be fair. Mark cuban payed dirk for another job that wasn't basketball so he could weasel around the salary cap. Dirk still technically got his max money LOL. idk if GSW is willing to take that risk
i am so proud of him literally. i’ve watched him all season and i wanted him to be a “reliable” scorer off the bench by golden state standards. I thought he proved that especially from january to february when steph had that slump. but you know, ever since i first watch golden state in 2015, i have dreamt of the possibility of having another guy as productive, efficient, dynamic, and lethal as steph. so this march, i was just blown away but what i saw. dude was BALLING. he was legit. he has every making of a star player and i literally cannot believe that we got him. and these playoffs have just been a revelation. my man is dropping an average of like 28 for his first 3 playoff games at 60%+ efficiency. like, these numbers are so crazy. and the fact that he’s only 22 just means that he can only grow from here. he is the next face of this franchise. sending all the love man, keep balling.
I don't see him leaving even if that means take a little bit money off the table. Jordan Poole is developed by the Warriors and even if we just look at it as a completely business side, Poole is able to grow and shine alongside with probably the best super star teammates in Steph and Klay, who both are still in their prime. This is the best situation for Poole because he will be able to grow and also add ring counts to his resume. No way the Warriors not keeping this guy so the question is who is gone? I think Andrew Wiggins because as good as he is, his upside is more limited than Wiseman.
@@TheRoadLessChosen it’s funny because i only started really getting into basketball through golden state last last november but even in that short amount of time he has literally improved so much it’s insane. that’s why when i rave about him you’d think i’ve been following him since he was playing in his high school 😂😂
@@aalluubbaa i think they’ll fight to keep the roster together. they’re gonna pull a miracle or something. but jordan is the next face of this franchise so there is no way they’ll let him walk.
As good as Wiggins has been, Poole is gonna keep the window open longer, and Wiseman isn't gonna be moved without a massive overpayment. I would say trade Wiggins to a team hungry for talent, resign Poole and take a wait and see approach with Wiseman.
They dont have to trade him. Both Wiggins and Poole contracts are up next year, so if they're competing they can just keep wiggins. Then they can just let Wiggins walk and extend Poole. If they're not competing then, yes, trade Wiggins for assets.
Ain't no way we are giving away wiggins, the death line up now is very balanced. 3 Offensive Player (Poole, Klay, Curry) and 3 defensive player (Klay, Wiggins, Dray)
Wiggins is worth 30 mil something you can easily found a defender like him cheaper plus with poole offesnive development giving away andrew wiggins makes sense but then again is the gsw willing to risk it and get a random defender from the leauge and expect wiseman to be good
Wiggins will probably be let go, even tho he's been great on both end of the floor, I don't think Dray and splash bros will be split even tho their individual contracts are massive, but they meant so much to the Bay, Bob will probably get boo if he break up this core. Let alone Kunminga is a perfect replacement, and Warriors are always thin at the 5. So they will take the chances with Wise.
It all comes down to ownerships willingness to pay luxury tax. Because we acquired Wiggins through a trade, we'll have his bird rights. Pools on a rookie extension, so we've got him locked up too. Wake up would not, I think, care too much about losing some money for a couple of seasons if it meant winning another chip or two. Hell, he paid 80 million all in for a one-year rental of Kelly Oubre, Jr. Also, I'm pretty sure that both Lacob and Myers have echoed the OG 3 in saying that they hope Steph, Klay, and Draymond all remain Warriors until retirement. Those three are such Bay Area heroes and so box office that I'm pretty sure they'll get whatever contracts they require to stick around. After all, the franchise is worth something like 10 times what ownership paid for it in 2010. Can you imagine the long-term value added of drafting the OG 3, having them win call it four or five championships in six or seven trips, maybe more, then retiring as a warriors? Now imagine if we do the same with our next big three, with Wiggins in the Iguodala role. If the Warriors can transition to that, and have a fraction of the success as the OG 3, it would be worth paying an exorbitant tax bill.
Wiggins typically takes on the best defender of the other team and is always crashing the boards and coming through with game-winning plays. Wiggins is extremely efficient. He's taken less than 10 shots a game during the playoffs and still hitting sometimes 50%. That's very difficult to do without touches. Get rid of him and The Warriors will have a bigger problem to deal with. Most good teams have a good guard and a beast of a shooting forward on their team. Without Wiggins, Klay will put more stress on those knees and legs and only bad things came come from that.
Yeah, I think Wiggs is definitely undervalued by everyone EXCEPT the team. He makes HUGE non-scoring plays all the time and, like you said, he's very efficient.
I feel you with Wiggins but I feel that Kuminga could be a good replacement. He is still raw and can be molded into what they would lose in Wiggins. Both Kuminga and Wiggins are they same height but I think Kuminga might have an edge atheletically and he weighs more so that translates into possibly stronger too... I've always thought their issue was at the 5. Their best center to date was Bogut (Cousins ?). Looney is a good utility big but not very confident or skilled. Wiseman is a Beast if he can stay Healthy! Lastly - if GS trades for K.D. I'm off the couch for them. Young extreme talent in the right hands, which GS state has proved is a plus. Why pay all that money in one when you can spread it across a few young future teachable, coachable, cheeper players.
I think the best reason for poole’s improvement was the core players and the team’s value about ball movement. Almost every player that went to GSW improves because of these things. 1 year of great game doesn’t create a great player. Look what happen to other players who chase money than a home team. Lastly, i think poole is wise enough to think that this is his future team now after steph so he’ll make the right decisions.
This man really predicted almost all of it for the right and wrong reasons. - GSW vs. Celtics in Finals - Poole was also key to the Warriors' championship - Poole got that Max Rookie Scale - Wiseman is out of the Warriors instead of Wiggs via trade - Poole is now in another team via trade after his poor performace in the 2023 playoffs but has all-star potential
It’s obvious Wiseman must go. Andrew Wiggins is actually proven to be a good borderline all star player that only needs to be a 4th option on the Warriors which he is more than capable of doing. Wiseman is still a question mark and Andrew is a good wing defender which is invaluable.
Wiggins isn’t worth the 35 million salary you can find a cheaper 3 and D player. Plus they have Kuminga who can start as a wing. Would only keep Wiggins if he was willing to resign for a massive discount.
I like your thinking but I disagree. With Poole's offensive development, you can let Wiggins go, and you can find defense for cheaper than Wiggins would cost. This is assuming that Wiseman develops into what we belive that he will be. I like Wiggins, but the lack of big men has been the one thing that GS has really lacked. Having Wismen would be huge. If they could find a serviceable athletic big that pop out and shoot at a reasonable cost then I would agree with keeping Wiggins, but that would be exponentially harder to find and much costlier than finding a 3 and D guy.
to everyone that’s giving up on wiseman, just think about what would’ve happened if golden state gave up on steph because of his ankles. hell, we don’t even need to go that far. what if they gave up on jordan poole after he didn’t live up to expectations in his first year? y’all gotta trust the coaching staff. we have four living testaments of what this organization is capable of developing. hopefully they get a big for that 28th and 50th pick but we’ll see.
@@mysticalgamer9368 the point is that we don't know what he'll be--but people who've had a chance to observe him day in and day out speak incredibly highly of him. He had the same off-season trainer this summer he's got drafted that lebron, cp3, melo, and a few other hall of fame players have used for years. That guy said he thought David Robinson with point guard skills, a bigger stronger Chris Bosh, or Giannis with a better shot we're all the kids ceiling. Called him a future all star, guaranteed, and potentially a future mvp/hofer caliber player. More, he gets the same praise that people gave Jordan pool, steph, clay, and Draymond at different times: that he's a very smart, very hard working young man dedicated not to fame or money, but to be coming the best basketball player he can be, ideally one of the all-time greats. That he's always in the gym, always quizzing the veterans for how he can be better. I don't know how long you guys have been fans, but I remember way too many years where the Warriors would miss a superstar in the draft by one or two places like the twolves missed Steph picking Rubio and Flynn at the 5th and 6th pics... Or the times we let a promising player go only for him to blossom into an All-Star the next f****** year. There's a reason the Warriors draft for character, iq, and athletic basketball talent. Besides, imagine having a front court of Chris Bosh with a handle and a power forward who combines LeBron's demigod-like physical gifts with the kind of fundamentally sound play plus an outside shot that is the hallmark of a Warriors player in Jonathan Kuminga, with Jordan "Baby Steph/ Kid Splash" Poole and Moses "Please God Let Him Be Baby Klay" Moody and Andrew "Overpaid Iguodala" Wiggins rounding out the squad. To paraphrase the Blur back in 2015, we gonna be championship - again and again.
I would pick Wiggs over Wiseman. He's been durable, he can score and defend. He isn't a liability on both ends and he can stay on the court whether the opposing is playing a traditional big or small ball line-up.
Hell no you take wiseman because he's your future and you need a big. Embiid was out for his first 2 seasons too and look what he became. Could be that too for Wiseman
This is something i don't understand. If I was Poole, I would not ask the maximum. Because I know if I keep playing like this, I will get it someday. Instead, I would ask something Warriors can afford and just that. Why? Because what other team can offer the same like Warriors? Chips, good basketball, good chemistry, good future , etc. No other team has that right know If he leaves to just get more money it will be a stupid decision. But as I said, I don't understand how NBA works in that way. Since I am a "newbie" and I started to watch the NBA since 2015. So that's what I think.
Just to put this out there, that is not the reason Steph chose to come off the bench. It had nothing to do with Poole, honestly it had more to do with Klay. He knew he was going to be on minute restriction and saw how hard it was for Klay to get a rhythm, so he decided it would be best to come off the bench.
Thing is Poole probably gonna stay on the warrior due to chemistry, growth and legacy. The warriors are a team known for building superstars from nothing. And they teach a great ball game. Pair that with the chemistry the recipe for a 5 all star super team is all in order. That would be the first in NBA HISTORY.
Warriors took this young man under their wings. Just imagine the wings this man is under. Draymond klay steph. Kerr iggy. This man jp is in school and he’s a good student, even took the d league assistant in stride and that was a boost for what he is today. Little dog already trying to take the big dogs toys, and we love it. Homie walking up to the free throw line, trying to shoot over curry, I love it. Klay Thompson “ that’s my rook” and we all feel the same way. Glad to see this young man doing it, bc we literally watching his rise like we did with all the other cats on the team but it’s been a while
Add Kuminga and James wiseman. Kuminga will be a top player in his second year. I also expect massive improvement from wiseman. The League is in trouble.
@christopher pfeiffer I don’t think you know what defines a steal. A steal can be any pick besides 1. For instance, Jordan was definitely a steal even though he was the 3rd overall pick, simply because he was so much better than the players before him. Dirk was a steal at 9, Kobe at 13, etc. curry was taken before two point guards who are out of the league, and Klay before a guard that’s out of the league, so he’s definitely a steal.
@christopher pfeiffer Ok, that doesn’t mean they’re not a steal when far worse players come before them. Even in the lottery players aren’t expected to become number one options for quite some time.
Not really a problem, they will stick to Poole and NOT to Wiggins, that is a no brainer. Now, if Klay somehow signs a cheaper contract and we can keep everybody except Wiggins, that will be good. But if Wiseman is so so, trade for another young talent, no problem.
I disagree with moving on from Wiggins. He’s still young enough and he offers next level aerial threats and a good from all range. Wiseman is has great potential but he’s a coin toss.
@@isaacdebeila8085 what’s crazy is they might compliment each other more overall it’s just defensively of course Kobe and mj would be terrifying but Poole and Curry are just as terrifying i mean before Klay came back they won 9 straight without draymond. Poole and Curry are a legitimate duo Curry and draymond are a legitimate duo making it a trio with Klay being Klay this don’t seem fair. I’m just waiting on the “super team” and “Curry being carried” narratives to start because Poole is a superstar i don’t think that should be in question he hasn’t reached that level but his talent and how he plays with this. Team since they’ve been together 3+ years this system makes him a superstar
its an easy decision if you ask me Wiggins is needed for the defensive end of the game along with Dray ,Poole is needed for the offensive cheat ..Wiseman doesn't really contribute to the dynasty.
We need a big. Maybe it isnt Wiseman, but if we aren't shooting lights out, we are exposed at the 5. Jokic hasn’t done it, but let's be honest, he has no supporting cast. I would be worried about the length of Boston and a healthy Suns with Ayton
One reason why Jordan Poole wasn't a finalist for MIP is that yes statistically his numbers have improved but so has his minute opportunity and in my eyes increase in opportunity (PT in this case) and improvement-wise are two very different subjects.
Lol stop parroting what SVG said. Anyone who watched how this kid played last year or even at the beginning of the year, saw the improvement in skill as the year progressed
@@ilikebasketball2771 JA too. Dude was rookie of the year and 2nd pick overall. Dude has no business being most improved if it's expected he be this good.
Sad to see Wiggins go, but Jordan Poole will absolutely receive a max offer from the Warriors. Kuminga/Moody should fill Wiggins' role nicely - so there's new opportunities for growth. I'll hate to lose Otto Porter Jr. and Gary Payton II next season, and even quite possibly although less likely - Looney and Wiseman in the future. But it's a great problem to have too much talent.
Kuminga &/or Moody will fill the Wiggins spot, kind of feels like a no Brainer at this point (but Wiggins has been good again) I think a team like Portland, Utah or Dallas could use him (or JTA)
@@heyyy6068 JK is scary good for this young. Midrange shot is looking good on top of the post foot work & spot up 3s. Warriors just need a year out of Lux Tax if possible
Ok but this is really a no brained Wiseman is providing absolutely zero value to the team and even if he does come back chances are a player as inexperienced and as fragile as him isn’t going to do so well We’ve already seen kuminga and moody become solid and maybe a little above average at best so wiseman probably isn’t going to top that On the other hand Jordan Poole has the chance of becoming the next steph curry once he retires and possibly be a future mvp so the best move in this situation is to move on from wiseman While Wiggins would free up a lot of cap space he provides a bit of value and trading him that early isn’t a good idea
Honestly, as much as I like the guy, Wiggins IS the most expendable one in this scenario, especially with that contract. Worst case scenario, you can run the Triple Threat of Steph, Klay, and Jordan, while some combo of Dray, JoKu, and Wiseman fill out the backcourt.
As a warriors fan, I’ve given up on wiseman… Moving on from wiggs or wise won’t hurt us that much especially wiseman, man hasn’t played because of his injury, right now any 7 foot center who can protect the rim is a better option than wiseman, at least they can play…
You've "given up" on a player who is injured??? He was amazing in his rookie year. He can hit three-pointers and block shots. And he was like 18 friggin years old! Lol.
@@dialecticalmonist3405 he was not amazing his rookie, did u watch the games??, last i saw him play, he was always dropping the ball, draymond and steph had to bark at him the plays during the game, and now multiple setbacks from a meniscus surgery that should only take 6 months to fully recover
Warriors basketball has never been about having a dominant big man offensive big guy. Always about making due with hustle players at that spot. Since they have a someone like Poole, Wiggins & likely Kuminga for the next several years, why drift away from this?
I've given up on wiseman, the team is winning without him anyway. I'd trade wiseman, chioza or tuscano-anderson and go for miles turner or Jonas valanciunas to fix the lack of size issue.
Ngl this is a dogshit take and this is coming from a fellow Warriors fan. You’re probably one of the people who wanted to trade the whole team for Beal earlier this season.
I think you're right! I would also move on from Andrew Wiggins before anyone else on the team. Wiggins hasn't been playing that good since the All-Star Break and I still have some faith in Wiseman's future with the Warriors although I might be a little crazy for thinking this.
If all teams are healthy, Warriors would still be favorites to win. The Suns struggled against them and they never had a full squad for any of those games, in addition, comparing how they evened out the series, the Dubs wins were more convincing than the Suns. The Bucks have height, but they have no answers for that death lineup.
Yeah thanks man really really like your videos. As a huge Dubs fan. You didn't mention JK. I do believe he has a spot in the Dubs future. I say move on from Wiseman stay with Wiggins. And what Poole asks for is what he'll get.
I guess it'll come down to which is more important for the Warriors after the playoffs end. If they win everything and the players are happy with the results, then Lacomb might have an excuse to spend up to 400M. If they burn out against the Suns or Celtics but feel they're VERY close to championship level, the players might be willing to forgo a bit of pay to keep the unit together and get Lacomb to spend up to 400M. If things go terribly or if Suns/Grizzlies/Heat are too much for them, then I can see Lacomb wanting to drop some salary or do a sign-n-trade to get a high impact big, especially if there are lingering concerns about Wiseman's knees.
There’s no rush at all to do it this offseason. Poole will definitely not be an all nba player next year so they don’t have to worry about that and they’ll just give him the max next offseason considering wiggins deal will be ending. At that point kuminga will have another year under his belt to take over that role going into the future and hopefully give even more than wiggs can now
Like other people said this is a GOOD PROBLEM to have... I agree Casey I had in my top 3 in most improvement players #1 JA Morant #2 Darius Garland and #3 Jordan Poole all 3 definitely well deserved but JA Morant should and would get that award. Yah I agree Jordan Poole could be on a another team next season bc how great of a player Jordan Poole has become. Also the Dubs have to pay Steph, Klay, Draymond, and Wiggins!!!! Great Video Casey another 💎!!!
I feel like JP3 has the humility to take a smaller contract for the winning culture. Plus this team is the one that gave him the opportunity to develop and he’s part of the system. I hope to see JP3 kuminga moody and wiseman take over the reigns in the future
Any good players, will look like a super star, when you have one or two superstars who will draw defenders attention, look at Siakam when Kawhi was on the Raptors. He got his max, then there were regrets after that.
I’m concerned that Wiseman turns into a Greg Oden situation. However, I enjoy Wiggins and he is a true gamer, but probably the most practical piece to move!
Showing up counts! I agree with you about Wiseman potential. But that's it, isn't it? Potential. Wiggins has been on the floor and producing. That's a keeper. I like Wiseman and hope the best, but Wiseman is the weak link as the team in presently constituted.
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Darius is the MIP. We had zero expectations for him and he became an all star
@@mutandaeffiong2685 Yea as a Warriors fan I have Garland winning mip but no one else had any expectations for Poole either and he should’ve been a candidate
Thank you man
This is a really good problem to have. Having a coaching and development team that makes players so good, they can't pay them
Oh hell ya, they love to have this problem. This is every team’s dream to go from one contender to another
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@@AMHoops Warriors can't trade Wiseman for anything good, his value is low.
@@whocares3319 agreed. That's why they will play him for the next two seasons. If he blossoms great, if he doesn't but has decent trade value, get some additional pieces. It's not like we will be lacking talent.
If they win the chip this year, I could see some of the guys taking pay cuts to keep the squad together.
HOPE SO. But I don’t know how
Hell NO. I can see Steph, Klay, Wiggs & Dray would "probably or not" do that but not for Poole, GP2, Wiseman, Kuminga, & Moody. NBA Teams ain't loyal. Remember that. These players I've mentioned should cash-out. Fcuk pay-cuts!
I believe andrew loves gsw. He loves this environment. So I believe they may run it back and take a pay cut if they win the chip.
@@harveyscottz steph klay and dray gonna cash out? U serious 😂 especially steph the franchise took a huge gamble on him so he owns them big time
@@leandrokrallinger8195 more like they owe him lmao without curry in 2019 they sucked in 2020 they missed the playoffs with curry and he was carrying them only unanimous mvp curry made the warriors relevant added klay and Dray helped plus curry the face of the franchise curry done everything for him
The fact that steph came off the bench at all, regardless of his injury, that takes a lot of humility.
I honestly as an OKC fan used to hate Steph but now I have so much respect for that dude
Uhhh it takes an injury and a minutes restriction. Poole was having a tonne of momentum with the team while steph was out and coaching staff wasn't about to just change all that with the playoffs rolling in. My guess is Klay will eventually be rotated into a bench role should Poole stay with the team
@@oxfordbambooshootify klay will not come off the bench, they will have Wiggins come off the bench before klay. We all caught up in the moment. We forgot who klay Thompson is.
@@oxfordbambooshootify curry was the one that choose toacoordingtostevekerr
@@marlansangster9519 we?
JP is the real deal. He lives for these big time moments. I love the synergy of this team. Dubs for the 4th chip in 2022. Death Squad is phenomenal Steph, Klay, Dray, Poole and Wiggs are annihilating teams. Steph shows what true leadership is. Team comes first and ego stays outside the door.
the fact that poole wasn’t a mip finalist is still mind boggling to me😭
I think you mean “mind bottling”.
@@ameliabedelia7018 nope
@@ameliabedelia7018 nope
@@ameliabedelia7018 he said it right
@@ameliabedelia7018 no
Unless Wiggins takes a massive paycut, they're definitely going to release him and pay Poole... Kuminga is most likely going to replace Wiggins anyway
As his number wiggins should take less money when he need the winning team who know him more than just average team and he want pay more than now.
I don't think they need to? Poole is signed through next year cheap and that's when Wiggins is signed through. So if they extend Poole, it's OK cus Wiggins will be coming off the books.
Unless Steph, Klay and Draymond do the paycut just like what Dirk did.
Wiggins getting traded , kuminga and moody going to need to play and Poole paid
@@Salman-wn8sr to be fair. Mark cuban payed dirk for another job that wasn't basketball so he could weasel around the salary cap. Dirk still technically got his max money LOL. idk if GSW is willing to take that risk
i am so proud of him literally. i’ve watched him all season and i wanted him to be a “reliable” scorer off the bench by golden state standards. I thought he proved that especially from january to february when steph had that slump. but you know, ever since i first watch golden state in 2015, i have dreamt of the possibility of having another guy as productive, efficient, dynamic, and lethal as steph. so this march, i was just blown away but what i saw. dude was BALLING. he was legit. he has every making of a star player and i literally cannot believe that we got him. and these playoffs have just been a revelation. my man is dropping an average of like 28 for his first 3 playoff games at 60%+ efficiency. like, these numbers are so crazy. and the fact that he’s only 22 just means that he can only grow from here. he is the next face of this franchise. sending all the love man, keep balling.
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I don't see him leaving even if that means take a little bit money off the table. Jordan Poole is developed by the Warriors and even if we just look at it as a completely business side, Poole is able to grow and shine alongside with probably the best super star teammates in Steph and Klay, who both are still in their prime. This is the best situation for Poole because he will be able to grow and also add ring counts to his resume.
No way the Warriors not keeping this guy so the question is who is gone? I think Andrew Wiggins because as good as he is, his upside is more limited than Wiseman.
@@TheRoadLessChosen it’s funny because i only started really getting into basketball through golden state last last november but even in that short amount of time he has literally improved so much it’s insane. that’s why when i rave about him you’d think i’ve been following him since he was playing in his high school 😂😂
@@aalluubbaa i think they’ll fight to keep the roster together. they’re gonna pull a miracle or something. but jordan is the next face of this franchise so there is no way they’ll let him walk.
@@TheRoadLessChosen What’s wrong with when he became a Dubs fans?
As good as Wiggins has been, Poole is gonna keep the window open longer, and Wiseman isn't gonna be moved without a massive overpayment. I would say trade Wiggins to a team hungry for talent, resign Poole and take a wait and see approach with Wiseman.
My thoughts exactly
They dont have to trade him. Both Wiggins and Poole contracts are up next year, so if they're competing they can just keep wiggins. Then they can just let Wiggins walk and extend Poole. If they're not competing then, yes, trade Wiggins for assets.
Ain't no way we are giving away wiggins, the death line up now is very balanced. 3 Offensive Player (Poole, Klay, Curry) and 3 defensive player (Klay, Wiggins, Dray)
Wiggins is worth 30 mil something you can easily found a defender like him cheaper plus with poole offesnive development giving away andrew wiggins makes sense but then again is the gsw willing to risk it and get a random defender from the leauge and expect wiseman to be good
I say scrap Wiseman. He's too AD-like, too prone to injuries.
Wiggins will probably be let go, even tho he's been great on both end of the floor, I don't think Dray and splash bros will be split even tho their individual contracts are massive, but they meant so much to the Bay, Bob will probably get boo if he break up this core. Let alone Kunminga is a perfect replacement, and Warriors are always thin at the 5. So they will take the chances with Wise.
Ya kuminga can be a Wiggins replacement
It all comes down to ownerships willingness to pay luxury tax. Because we acquired Wiggins through a trade, we'll have his bird rights. Pools on a rookie extension, so we've got him locked up too. Wake up would not, I think, care too much about losing some money for a couple of seasons if it meant winning another chip or two. Hell, he paid 80 million all in for a one-year rental of Kelly Oubre, Jr.
Also, I'm pretty sure that both Lacob and Myers have echoed the OG 3 in saying that they hope Steph, Klay, and Draymond all remain Warriors until retirement.
Those three are such Bay Area heroes and so box office that I'm pretty sure they'll get whatever contracts they require to stick around. After all, the franchise is worth something like 10 times what ownership paid for it in 2010. Can you imagine the long-term value added of drafting the OG 3, having them win call it four or five championships in six or seven trips, maybe more, then retiring as a warriors?
Now imagine if we do the same with our next big three, with Wiggins in the Iguodala role. If the Warriors can transition to that, and have a fraction of the success as the OG 3, it would be worth paying an exorbitant tax bill.
dont forget about Moses Moody..
great analysis and breakdown. I think you're right, looking like GSW and Celtics. nice job!
Wiggins typically takes on the best defender of the other team and is always crashing the boards and coming through with game-winning plays. Wiggins is extremely efficient. He's taken less than 10 shots a game during the playoffs and still hitting sometimes 50%. That's very difficult to do without touches. Get rid of him and The Warriors will have a bigger problem to deal with. Most good teams have a good guard and a beast of a shooting forward on their team. Without Wiggins, Klay will put more stress on those knees and legs and only bad things came come from that.
Brother people dont know..i always say wiggins is a key piece of this team
Yeah, I think Wiggs is definitely undervalued by everyone EXCEPT the team. He makes HUGE non-scoring plays all the time and, like you said, he's very efficient.
@@osareafallire only delusional fan think of getting rid of wiggin, lol, make me laugh so hard to see their comments
@@leonardwangilisasi1145 Proved to be TRUTH
I feel you with Wiggins but I feel that Kuminga could be a good replacement. He is still raw and can be molded into what they would lose in Wiggins. Both Kuminga and Wiggins are they same height but I think Kuminga might have an edge atheletically and he weighs more so that translates into possibly stronger too... I've always thought their issue was at the 5. Their best center to date was Bogut (Cousins ?). Looney is a good utility big but not very confident or skilled. Wiseman is a Beast if he can stay Healthy! Lastly - if GS trades for K.D. I'm off the couch for them. Young extreme talent in the right hands, which GS state has proved is a plus. Why pay all that money in one when you can spread it across a few young future teachable, coachable, cheeper players.
I think the best reason for poole’s improvement was the core players and the team’s value about ball movement. Almost every player that went to GSW improves because of these things. 1 year of great game doesn’t create a great player. Look what happen to other players who chase money than a home team. Lastly, i think poole is wise enough to think that this is his future team now after steph so he’ll make the right decisions.
This man really predicted almost all of it for the right and wrong reasons.
- GSW vs. Celtics in Finals
- Poole was also key to the Warriors' championship
- Poole got that Max Rookie Scale
- Wiseman is out of the Warriors instead of Wiggs via trade
- Poole is now in another team via trade after his poor performace in the 2023 playoffs but has all-star potential
It’s obvious Wiseman must go. Andrew Wiggins is actually proven to be a good borderline all star player that only needs to be a 4th option on the Warriors which he is more than capable of doing. Wiseman is still a question mark and Andrew is a good wing defender which is invaluable.
Wiggins isn’t worth the 35 million salary you can find a cheaper 3 and D player. Plus they have Kuminga who can start as a wing. Would only keep Wiggins if he was willing to resign for a massive discount.
I like your thinking but I disagree. With Poole's offensive development, you can let Wiggins go, and you can find defense for cheaper than Wiggins would cost. This is assuming that Wiseman develops into what we belive that he will be. I like Wiggins, but the lack of big men has been the one thing that GS has really lacked. Having Wismen would be huge. If they could find a serviceable athletic big that pop out and shoot at a reasonable cost then I would agree with keeping Wiggins, but that would be exponentially harder to find and much costlier than finding a 3 and D guy.
Wiseman. You mean the guy that hasn’t proven himself yet
No Wiggins is gone
Disagree
to everyone that’s giving up on wiseman, just think about what would’ve happened if golden state gave up on steph because of his ankles. hell, we don’t even need to go that far. what if they gave up on jordan poole after he didn’t live up to expectations in his first year? y’all gotta trust the coaching staff. we have four living testaments of what this organization is capable of developing.
hopefully they get a big for that 28th and 50th pick but we’ll see.
Wiseman is 20 yrs old..too early to give up on him..Curry lost 2 seasons to Injuries and look at him now,same with Embiid
@@micahkiyimba8641 too bad wisemen is not steph or embiid
@@mysticalgamer9368 the point is that we don't know what he'll be--but people who've had a chance to observe him day in and day out speak incredibly highly of him.
He had the same off-season trainer this summer he's got drafted that lebron, cp3, melo, and a few other hall of fame players have used for years. That guy said he thought David Robinson with point guard skills, a bigger stronger Chris Bosh, or Giannis with a better shot we're all the kids ceiling. Called him a future all star, guaranteed, and potentially a future mvp/hofer caliber player.
More, he gets the same praise that people gave Jordan pool, steph, clay, and Draymond at different times: that he's a very smart, very hard working young man dedicated not to fame or money, but to be coming the best basketball player he can be, ideally one of the all-time greats. That he's always in the gym, always quizzing the veterans for how he can be better.
I don't know how long you guys have been fans, but I remember way too many years where the Warriors would miss a superstar in the draft by one or two places like the twolves missed Steph picking Rubio and Flynn at the 5th and 6th pics... Or the times we let a promising player go only for him to blossom into an All-Star the next f****** year.
There's a reason the Warriors draft for character, iq, and athletic basketball talent. Besides, imagine having a front court of Chris Bosh with a handle and a power forward who combines LeBron's demigod-like physical gifts with the kind of fundamentally sound play plus an outside shot that is the hallmark of a Warriors player in Jonathan Kuminga, with Jordan "Baby Steph/ Kid Splash" Poole and Moses "Please God Let Him Be Baby Klay" Moody and Andrew "Overpaid Iguodala" Wiggins rounding out the squad.
To paraphrase the Blur back in 2015, we gonna be championship - again and again.
tough to play without much meniscus when you are 7'
I would pick Wiggs over Wiseman. He's been durable, he can score and defend. He isn't a liability on both ends and he can stay on the court whether the opposing is playing a traditional big or small ball line-up.
@hot & mallow Fr, his contract just sucks so much. I hope he’ll be humbled.
Hell no you take wiseman because he's your future and you need a big. Embiid was out for his first 2 seasons too and look what he became. Could be that too for Wiseman
This is something i don't understand. If I was Poole, I would not ask the maximum. Because I know if I keep playing like this, I will get it someday. Instead, I would ask something Warriors can afford and just that. Why? Because what other team can offer the same like Warriors? Chips, good basketball, good chemistry, good future , etc. No other team has that right know
If he leaves to just get more money it will be a stupid decision. But as I said, I don't understand how NBA works in that way. Since I am a "newbie" and I started to watch the NBA since 2015. So that's what I think.
Just to put this out there, that is not the reason Steph chose to come off the bench. It had nothing to do with Poole, honestly it had more to do with Klay. He knew he was going to be on minute restriction and saw how hard it was for Klay to get a rhythm, so he decided it would be best to come off the bench.
precisely.
Source??
@@rafaelnormanmorales5310 out of Steve Kerr, and Curry's mouth?
Oh-ok.. Guess you have an inside track from management? lol
Warriors Celtics prediction was on point!
Thing is Poole probably gonna stay on the warrior due to chemistry, growth and legacy.
The warriors are a team known for building superstars from nothing. And they teach a great ball game. Pair that with the chemistry the recipe for a 5 all star super team is all in order.
That would be the first in NBA HISTORY.
Warriors took this young man under their wings. Just imagine the wings this man is under. Draymond klay steph. Kerr iggy. This man jp is in school and he’s a good student, even took the d league assistant in stride and that was a boost for what he is today. Little dog already trying to take the big dogs toys, and we love it. Homie walking up to the free throw line, trying to shoot over curry, I love it. Klay Thompson “ that’s my rook” and we all feel the same way. Glad to see this young man doing it, bc we literally watching his rise like we did with all the other cats on the team but it’s been a while
we are easily moving on Wiggins, we need the future set and Wiseman is part of that, I still have hope in him
Move on from Wiggins and give kuminga a bigger role who is much younger, much athletic and much aggressive
Definitely. Wiggins is gone. They brought his value up to a decent level
I mean, wiggins is only 26. He can be part of that future lol.
@@EndietheEnderman he plays like he's 30, KUMINGA younger and far more athletic and plays with more heart
yeah for sure
Thanks for showing my team so love
Let's also appreciate that this death lineup consisted of literal draft steals.
Steph #7
Klay #11
Draymond Round 2 #35
Poole #28
Yes and next year we will see the ultra death lineup with JKum filling up for Wiggs and it's going to be even scarier!!!
Add Kuminga and James wiseman. Kuminga will be a top player in his second year. I also expect massive improvement from wiseman. The League is in trouble.
@@gingerbeard6559 neither of those guys were exactly “draft steals” though
@christopher pfeiffer I don’t think you know what defines a steal. A steal can be any pick besides 1. For instance, Jordan was definitely a steal even though he was the 3rd overall pick, simply because he was so much better than the players before him. Dirk was a steal at 9, Kobe at 13, etc. curry was taken before two point guards who are out of the league, and Klay before a guard that’s out of the league, so he’s definitely a steal.
@christopher pfeiffer Ok, that doesn’t mean they’re not a steal when far worse players come before them. Even in the lottery players aren’t expected to become number one options for quite some time.
Not really a problem, they will stick to Poole and NOT to Wiggins, that is a no brainer. Now, if Klay somehow signs a cheaper contract and we can keep everybody except Wiggins, that will be good. But if Wiseman is so so, trade for another young talent, no problem.
Whose we? Are you part of gsw?
@@Kudarat08 thank you captain obvious! The video is only about the Warriors so yeah the Warriors organization. I'm talking with a fan perspective.
I disagree with moving on from Wiggins. He’s still young enough and he offers next level aerial threats and a good from all range. Wiseman is has great potential but he’s a coin toss.
This aged well
@@Dazeryio lol..yeah
Me watching this while the Finals are ongoing, damn you predicted it right. Its a Dubs and Celtics battle. I am with the Dubs for life.
Yo keep up the great work bro! Love the vids and go heat hahaha.
It's June 26, 2022 & the predictions you made in this video are ridiculously amazing
Wiseman, I would have traded him this year if I knew he wasn't going to play all year. Are you kidding me Wiggins deserves to be there
Man’s predicted warriors Celtics final bruuuh
Not a Warriors fan at all (I’m a Rockets’ fan 🥲), but I think the Warriors’ GM is a beast!
Facts
I completely agree watching Poole is scary. He looks like he was made for this team honestly kind of crazy
cause his game is a copy of Curry's... its like putting Kobe in MJ's Bulls he would look like he was made for that spot
@@isaacdebeila8085 what’s crazy is they might compliment each other more overall it’s just defensively of course Kobe and mj would be terrifying but Poole and Curry are just as terrifying i mean before Klay came back they won 9 straight without draymond. Poole and Curry are a legitimate duo Curry and draymond are a legitimate duo making it a trio with Klay being Klay this don’t seem fair. I’m just waiting on the “super team” and “Curry being carried” narratives to start because Poole is a superstar i don’t think that should be in question he hasn’t reached that level but his talent and how he plays with this. Team since they’ve been together 3+ years this system makes him a superstar
its an easy decision if you ask me Wiggins is needed for the defensive end of the game along with Dray ,Poole is needed for the offensive cheat ..Wiseman doesn't really contribute to the dynasty.
We need a big. Maybe it isnt Wiseman, but if we aren't shooting lights out, we are exposed at the 5. Jokic hasn’t done it, but let's be honest, he has no supporting cast. I would be worried about the length of Boston and a healthy Suns with Ayton
Maybe the Warriors make a run for Gobert
You called that GSW VS BOS finals prediction!!!
One reason why Jordan Poole wasn't a finalist for MIP is that yes statistically his numbers have improved but so has his minute opportunity and in my eyes increase in opportunity (PT in this case) and improvement-wise are two very different subjects.
But isn’t that the same with garland and miles bridges?
Lol stop parroting what SVG said. Anyone who watched how this kid played last year or even at the beginning of the year, saw the improvement in skill as the year progressed
@@ilikebasketball2771 JA too. Dude was rookie of the year and 2nd pick overall. Dude has no business being most improved if it's expected he be this good.
Of course you didn't watch the 15 wins warriors team
Thats literally every mip lol
Man actually predicted the finals
i don't know about wiseman but wiggins still has a good defence as i know. So i will chose wiggins instead wiseman💪
Great vid! Poole deserves all the love and loot he gets. I'd take Wiggins for his defense and for the fact that he's on the damn floor!!
Sad to see Wiggins go, but Jordan Poole will absolutely receive a max offer from the Warriors. Kuminga/Moody should fill Wiggins' role nicely - so there's new opportunities for growth. I'll hate to lose Otto Porter Jr. and Gary Payton II next season, and even quite possibly although less likely - Looney and Wiseman in the future. But it's a great problem to have too much talent.
Definitely not a max bruh come on now man stop it about 20 mil 4 years
He is the perfect understudy for curry
Kuminga &/or Moody will fill the Wiggins spot, kind of feels like a no Brainer at this point (but Wiggins has been good again) I think a team like Portland, Utah or Dallas could use him (or JTA)
Yeah. I think trading Wiggins is the best option. I really think Kuminga can fill his role easily by next season.
accurate assessment
@@heyyy6068 JK is scary good for this young. Midrange shot is looking good on top of the post foot work & spot up 3s. Warriors just need a year out of Lux Tax if possible
Wisemen just needs to stay healthy
Ok but this is really a no brained
Wiseman is providing absolutely zero value to the team and even if he does come back chances are a player as inexperienced and as fragile as him isn’t going to do so well
We’ve already seen kuminga and moody become solid and maybe a little above average at best so wiseman probably isn’t going to top that
On the other hand Jordan Poole has the chance of becoming the next steph curry once he retires and possibly be a future mvp so the best move in this situation is to move on from wiseman
While Wiggins would free up a lot of cap space he provides a bit of value and trading him that early isn’t a good idea
Amazing vid again!
JP is the real deal! I hope the Dubs can find a way to keep him in the Yay
Yay
Well now they HAVE to keep Wiggins because he was a big part of why they even won this ring. It wouldn't make sense to let him go.
Honestly, as much as I like the guy, Wiggins IS the most expendable one in this scenario, especially with that contract. Worst case scenario, you can run the Triple Threat of Steph, Klay, and Jordan, while some combo of Dray, JoKu, and Wiseman fill out the backcourt.
Agreed, Wiggins doesn’t produce enough to justify the 35 million salary
U are really good at Guessing the NBA finals
As a warriors fan, I’ve given up on wiseman… Moving on from wiggs or wise won’t hurt us that much especially wiseman, man hasn’t played because of his injury, right now any 7 foot center who can protect the rim is a better option than wiseman, at least they can play…
You've "given up" on a player who is injured???
He was amazing in his rookie year. He can hit three-pointers and block shots. And he was like 18 friggin years old! Lol.
Same
You big trippen. Y’all have zero patience at all lol wiseman aint do damn scrub he just need consistent reps
@@dialecticalmonist3405 he was not amazing his rookie, did u watch the games??, last i saw him play, he was always dropping the ball, draymond and steph had to bark at him the plays during the game, and now multiple setbacks from a meniscus surgery that should only take 6 months to fully recover
Warriors basketball has never been about having a dominant big man offensive big guy. Always about making due with hustle players at that spot. Since they have a someone like Poole, Wiggins & likely Kuminga for the next several years, why drift away from this?
Love your content ❤️
I've given up on wiseman, the team is winning without him anyway. I'd trade wiseman, chioza or tuscano-anderson and go for miles turner or Jonas valanciunas to fix the lack of size issue.
if you think trading chiozza is an option, you dont know basketball and should keep your opinions to yourself
Chioza has 0 value
Ngl this is a dogshit take and this is coming from a fellow Warriors fan. You’re probably one of the people who wanted to trade the whole team for Beal earlier this season.
Chiozza is no Payton, Barbosa or Livingston
Instead of Chiozza you'll have to give up Looney to make salaries work.
Great show!!!
100% rather have poole then Wiseman
The choice is between Wiggs and Wiseman in my mind
@@AMHoops let Wiseman go keep wiggs
@@UltimateJellyG30 I have it the other way around. Warriors seriously need some size
@@UltimateJellyG30 do you understand the difference betwen their salry levels?
Steph currys greatness is so unquestionable he’s like ehhhh f*ck it I’ll ride the bench
Casey did u see DeMar DeJordan drop 40 and Khris Middleton out for 2 weeks at least!!!
Yes, I mentioned it in the video
@@AMHoops my bad I commented as soon as I could
He called the finals!
Casey you got to stop ignoring heat it's ok that you think maybe the bucks get put over the heat but come on man the heat are number 1 for a reason
I think you're right! I would also move on from Andrew Wiggins before anyone else on the team. Wiggins hasn't been playing that good since the All-Star Break and I still have some faith in Wiseman's future with the Warriors although I might be a little crazy for thinking this.
Love the content! Think warriors will win the chip if the suns and bucks are unhealthy
If all teams are healthy, Warriors would still be favorites to win. The Suns struggled against them and they never had a full squad for any of those games, in addition, comparing how they evened out the series, the Dubs wins were more convincing than the Suns. The Bucks have height, but they have no answers for that death lineup.
Sorry but I think u forgot about the Heat
@@tylermeinhold6384 heat don’t have a star, Jimmy butler is a fraud, love the team tho, hope the celtics win this year but those warriors 🔥
why the f u talk about sun. lol, did u even watch games or u just think?
@@lekhang151 i got the prediction right? Wdym i just talk bucks were unhealthy and the dubs won?
Amazing content
Me being a lakers fan getting a first round pick 😩😩😩😩
this video aged well. found the channel during the finals
8-0??? You picked Brooklyn.
Yeah thanks man really really like your videos. As a huge Dubs fan. You didn't mention JK. I do believe he has a spot in the Dubs future. I say move on from Wiseman stay with Wiggins. And what Poole asks for is what he'll get.
Ditto
Steph is on a minutes restriction and it was STEPH decision to start from the bench
He literally said that in the videk
@@Immortalisis you got to it before I could Isaac!
Because Curry is no EGO other than superstar that's why he can't still win Fmvp and unselfish star
This guy really just predicted the nba final 🤔
Man I love your vids keep up the good work
you were right about your celtics vs warriors finals
The way wiggins and poole playing this finals, they gotta give up wiseman
My predictions are perfect too! Now, the fun (2nd round)!
I guess it'll come down to which is more important for the Warriors after the playoffs end. If they win everything and the players are happy with the results, then Lacomb might have an excuse to spend up to 400M. If they burn out against the Suns or Celtics but feel they're VERY close to championship level, the players might be willing to forgo a bit of pay to keep the unit together and get Lacomb to spend up to 400M. If things go terribly or if Suns/Grizzlies/Heat are too much for them, then I can see Lacomb wanting to drop some salary or do a sign-n-trade to get a high impact big, especially if there are lingering concerns about Wiseman's knees.
There’s no rush at all to do it this offseason. Poole will definitely not be an all nba player next year so they don’t have to worry about that and they’ll just give him the max next offseason considering wiggins deal will be ending.
At that point kuminga will have another year under his belt to take over that role going into the future and hopefully give even more than wiggs can now
No idea who you are -
With your 8:0 correct predictions in these finals so far, you’ve instantly gained yourself a sub. That’s crazy
"If something works, don't change it"
I might be the minority here, but I think Wiggins has proven himself this season as an important addition.
the problem is other teams are gonna poach them with more money.
Is the Warrior effect 💯
Like other people said this is a GOOD PROBLEM to have... I agree Casey I had in my top 3 in most improvement players #1 JA Morant #2 Darius Garland and #3 Jordan Poole all 3 definitely well deserved but JA Morant should and would get that award. Yah I agree Jordan Poole could be on a another team next season bc how great of a player Jordan Poole has become. Also the Dubs have to pay Steph, Klay, Draymond, and Wiggins!!!! Great Video Casey another 💎!!!
Warriors are built for win now and win in the future it's so crazy
Wiseman doesn’t suck, he’s just been injured, he has so much potential, he was showing it in his rookie year before injury
Even that 33% fg season he was elite ft % yet ppl doubted him. He takes wild shots which led to a low %
the way that the modern day warriors facilitate growth is crazy
No way they trade Wiggins. He's their best wing defender with no replacement around.
whos here after we did indeed get a warriors celtics finals.
I feel like JP3 has the humility to take a smaller contract for the winning culture. Plus this team is the one that gave him the opportunity to develop and he’s part of the system. I hope to see JP3 kuminga moody and wiseman take over the reigns in the future
agreed
Damn bro I subscribed, now the warriors have a guaranteed late first round🥳🤣
Any good players, will look like a super star, when you have one or two superstars who will draw defenders attention, look at Siakam when Kawhi was on the Raptors. He got his max, then there were regrets after that.
Great vid. Cavaliers
Subscribing to the channel hoping that rumor is true for the clippers xD
2019 draft got that gems hidden in the end of the 1st round and in the 2nd round.
I’m concerned that Wiseman turns into a Greg Oden situation. However, I enjoy Wiggins and he is a true gamer, but probably the most practical piece to move!
We're both rooting for celtics vs warriors cheers mate
No problem at all. Told you about these Warriors Casey.
Showing up counts! I agree with you about Wiseman potential. But that's it, isn't it? Potential. Wiggins has been on the floor and producing. That's a keeper. I like Wiseman and hope the best, but Wiseman is the weak link as the team in presently constituted.
A hundred million here a hundred million there, it starts to add up.
Whatever they do I’ll go with it warriors know what they’re doing
Dude, I really love how steph humbles himself and lets poole start
I completely agree. If you can find a way to talk to the Warriors' head coach Steve Kerr, really do!
Jordan Poole and Jalen Bronson are must-haves this offseason.
Wiggins and Draymond defensively are the reason their death lineups work.