The Story Of American Folk Music 1
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2013
- The first of a number of extracts from a 3 hour documentary on American folk music. This episode picks up the story with John Lomax and his "discovery" of Huddie Ledbetter. It then features Woody Guthrie and the seeds of the protest movement, before looking at Pete Seeger and the politics of the left.
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I have just published a book called ‘Tales of the Early Scottish Folk Club Scene’ (2022) and I have highlighted the importance to Scottish Folk Song of John Lomax, Charles Seeger, Leadbelly, Woody Guthrie and Alan Lomax. However, I go even further back to the 18th Century with the migration of the Ulster Scots leaving Northern Ireland to settle in the Appalachians, and other regions of America. They took with them many wonderful songs, but they were fairly serious and never accompanied by any instruments. These Ulster Scots were Presbyterians and only allowed Black people to attend church services if they stayed in their isolation. The Ulster Scots had never heard such harmony singing before and this crept in to their singing of old traditional Scots and Irish songs. The Black singers also accompanied themselves, mainly on banjo. There were Scots fiddlers but the banjo and, later, the guitar were new to them. Over the years the various folk styles developed around America. There were of course collectors who gathered the songs but John Lomax released his book in the early part of the 20th Century.
What was happening in America had a huge influence on British Folk Song, especially when Alan Lomax arrived in England and met up with Ewan MacColl. MacColl opened the first folk club ever in 1953 in London. Alan Lomax came to Scotland in 1951 and met up with Hamish Henderson to record the songs of the North East of Scotland, and songs of the travelling folks (Gypsies). This started an interest in Traditional songs but this was followed by a small group of intellectuals. Folk Clubs were a new experience and the young folk loved them. But, folk song in Scotland only really took of in Scotland in the late 1950s when Lonnie Donegan started the Skiffle craze. Many of his songs were written by Lee Hays, Leadbelly and, of course, Woody Guthrie. The majority of folk songs being sung in the U.K. were coming from America. The Brits were even singing in American accents. My book explains much more. 354 pages of information gathered from people ‘who were there’ in the 1950s. www.fraserbruce.co.uk
Since biopics are all the rage lately, I'll mention there were biopics made about both Leadbelly and Woody Guthrie. The Leadbelly one is called "Leadbelly" (clever enough) and stars Roger E. Mosley ("T.C." from Magnum PI). The other is called "Bound For Glory" and stars David Carradine as Woody Guthrie. They were both made in '76 and although they're not great and much is fictionalized...they'll kill an afternoon.
Woody Guthrie is the man! He reminds me so much of my Grandfather that lived on a small KS farm through the Great Depression. It's amazing how one musician can speak for an entire generation of men who worked for they everything.
Quel récit intéressant... bien entendu: l'évolution de la culture américaine est toujours intéressant. Merci pour partager cet histoire.
This is an interesting article in more ways than one. I love original American folk. Some of the best writing to ever occur in my opinion. Thanks for sharing friend.
"It took me a while to learn to like music with the bark still on it." Tom Paxton
I love that!
We've come a long way. Thank God for that!
Leadbelly is King.
Yup
"... but he pulled through and made history," over an image of John Lomax. John Lomax was an important collector of folk music. But this reminds me some of those movies where a white hero shows up and motivates the kids at the inner-city school: they keep making those movies because white people keep going to them. Thomas Talley was black, three years younger than Lomax, and collected black folk songs in the 1880s that he published. Phil Jones was black and was singing the 12-bar "Got No More Home Than A Dog" "blues" as of about 1895, according to recollections of a black chronicler of various old black folk music, W.C. Handy. We understand how old the black folk songs "Funky Butt" and "The Bully" were and where they came from in part because of the interest of the researchers Zora Neale Hurston and James Weldon Johnson, who were black. We know that the concept of "blues" music existed as of 1910 because of a black-run newspaper. We know that "Stack-A-Lee" was being played in 1897 because of a different black-run newspaper. We know that "Frankie And Albert" was being sung in 1899 and by whom because of a black policeman who was interested in music and remembered, Lieut. Ira Cooper. The Georgia Folk Festival was black-run, and artists who were recorded there include Sidney Stripling, who was older than Leadbelly and played the African instrument the banjo because he was older than Leadbelly. John Work III of Tennessee was black and recorded historically important black folk musicians such as Frank Patterson. If Leadbelly had never recorded gasp we would have had to know "Green Corn" from Roy Brown (who was older than Leadbelly), "See See Rider" from Ma Rainey (who was older than Leadbelly), "John Hardy" from Bascom Lunsford (who was older than Leadbelly), etc., etc. Anyway, when John Lomax was in a position to hand over a federal-government-funded position researching folk songs over to someone else, he handed it over to a peer, Thomas Talley. No, I'm just kidding, he handed it to a son in his 20s, Alan.
Joseph Scott i agree with you. it is also a fact that a.p. carter mostly paid for the gas, and his black associate collected and arranged the music later labeled 'carter family music'. so they tell me, anyway. is this 'roy brown' that you mention the r and b bandleader? it is hard to conceive of anybody older than leadbelly. thanks for posting.
David Weinstock No, the black singer/guitarist Roy Brown who recorded old folk music he remembered was a different guy from the hitmaker singer/songwriter Roy Brown who helped invent rock and roll.
+David Weinstock Leadbelly was pretty old, but blues guitarists who were older than Leadbelly and recorded include e.g. Daddy Stovepipe and Jimmie Strothers.
Brazilian Atlantis the first folk tune is called “turkey in the straw” back when whites did mintsrels. America’s media just wants to give back to the black race bc they feel like we took from them when in fave there own race sold their own kind to us in the Atlantic slave trade.
Brazilian Atlantis respect for noticing the bullshit. But lets just say youtube should have a friggin word limit. If ya catch my drift.
I just checked out your channel. you have a great channel. thanks so much for all the uploads.
great channel, thank you a lot
I truly didn't know American folk and country music was black music.
They are not Black Music....American Folk and Country/Bluegrass has traditional roots on English/Irish Folk music...but African Amercan influenced those music later after the slave trade especially country...the American Folk on this video are Blues, Jazz, N Roll, RnB and Soul..its different era..u should understand that the definition of American Folk music is vast...and clearly this video not talking about the very first American Folk music before the slave trade..
The guitar was invented in Spain. Folk is world music.
Folk and country not so much but the did heavily influence country and bluegrass with the banjo. They also made blues. Poor blacks in early 1900s and slaves in the 1800s sang folk songs while working.
@@jimhodges1875 spain?? Check the paintings from 1350 bc in the egyptian tomb of nebamun.
@@thinkthankindonesia3137 country music is black music The Staple instrument used in bluegrass and Country Music which is the banjo is an African instrument
Leadbelly will always be an American legend.
I love the trans Atlantic accent on the old footage
Ahhhhhh Yes put me back in isolation so I can revert back to the music I grew up with, what kind of crap is that
White peepole crap that's what!!!
@@rickywagner6990 nah, thats white and black music. I dont know why blacks act like they made rap, they should appreciate the good music they made like blues
@@poondaddy9992 Naw, man. Some of us grew up with this music. Genuine, honest American music. No "color". Just true music. l played guitar and harmonica and I played and sang old blues, old folk , bluegrass, old Irish tunes, etc. I adored jazz and I still do. Jazz was my first love. So it was not about being white or black. It was about having very little but having so much when you can sit and get lost in that music. I thank God I had very little because that lead to me sitting in a room alone playing for hours on end. I am alive and breathing today and I truly believe it is because I was a music fanatic. Jazz and Blues especially. Many of us never gave race any thought. It was our world. It was beautiful. man.
@@hunteryoungblood649 Yes. Thank you. Bless you dear. Yes!
Yeah, I was thinking "oppress a group of people, wrongfully imprison them, take away what little rights they had, and if they make music it's because it's literally all they have left," might be more accurate...
Video should be titled “The Story Of Leadbelly”. It’s more of a documentary about him than folk music.
Just the first episode.
Folk music stated long before this. It goes back to Celtic music in Europe etc.
anyone know where part 2 is? Or what programme this is from?
Probably pulled by copyright holders. Such a shame, as there is some great footage there.
Try this ua-cam.com/video/UYLMh_SSVsU/v-deo.html
@@corporalhenshaw Thanks but looks like it has been taken down. Thanks for the upload btw, really great doc!
more insight than most Ive seen
Grand father I mean.
This is where even a few hundred miles could play a huge difference. Plains cowboy songs are basic 6-string songs. The lyrics might or might not be added. Often they could be just as influenced by Mexican outlaw or European cowboy ballads. They have more of a history in French-English-Spanish roots. Overlooking the influences of any culture or race is just stupid. Not every bit of North American music came out of African slavery. The majority was a blending of influences. Elvis Presley would end up doing almost a 50/50 split.
Library of Congress didn't supply shiii...they could afford the latest equipment but we're Mia during the depression...I call bull.
Check out National Jukebox LOC.gov - Library of Congress, latest equipment doesn't play wax recordings.
There’s still real folk music in the Ozarks of Arkansas. You can find it in little churches. After church, they’ll go home and pull out a jug. 🙀😹
so folk music is black music?
romyo salas No, there's white folk music such as "Pretty Polly" and there's black non-folk music such as "Night In Tunisia."
so folk music is not black music
They are not Black Music....American Folk and Country/Bluegrass has
traditional roots on English/Irish Folk music...but African Amercan
influenced those music later after the slave trade...the American Folk
on this video are Blues, Jazz, N Roll, RnB and Soul..its different
era..u should understand that the definition of American Folk music is
vast...and clearly this video not talking about the very first American
Folk music before the slave trade..
Early American Folk originated from Colonial Fletch and Revolutionary period originated in
England, Scotland and Ireland and were brought over by early settlers. "Barbara Allen" remains a popular traditional ballad originating in England and Scotland, which immigrants introduced to the United States.[3] The murder ballad "Pretty Polly" is an American version of an earlier British song, "The Gosport Tragedy".[4]
Shut Up Bitch!!! Early American Folk are English/Irish traditional music,,stop claiming cultures that not yours! African American also have their own version folk music and its very distinct from Early American Folk..
God. Bbc docs are always so biased.
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Did she really say negro ???? How old fashioned
wow. her racist grandfather had a nerve to be offended. go figure.
So sick of Leadbelly.
American folk music dimishes after 1865. The tawdry and regrettable malformations of music which were developed from then on are not "folk", but more like symptoms of a moral decline.
This is an incredibly biased and brief history
Black people and Americans are not the same thing.