I'm so glad I found this video. I recently purchased the OG G690 so I could mess around with pano stuff and having such a comprehensive guide available was a godsend.
We hope you liked it! Eva has been an Uppsala resident for many years now and she already did 2 more videos in the city, the Yashica T3 one and the Vito B one with “1950’s” in the title! Just in case you want to see more 😊 and as always thanks for watching and commenting
I'd tried this in my G690 a few times with mixed results. I decided to try again recently. The one thing I did differently this time was instead of using toothpicks to support the film canister so it doesn't bind up, I used a piece of tape to hold the canister back. It's kind of difficult to explain without a picture but basically put the canister in the same position it would be if the toothpicks were in place and then put a strip of tape from the canister top to the edge of the camera. So far it's worked fantastically! Also since I don't care about film borders I got a mask from eTone. Makes me worry less about film flatness.
I’m glad you’re having fun with it and finding your own solutions! I think the mask is a really good addition but at the time they were not available at my local camera store. Maybe I’ll give it another go someday
LOL on all 3 endings! You got some great results. You know your stuff on film exposure and composition. You are also knowledgeable about the X-pan and can make balanced comments. Bravo. I am impressed with your crafty resourcefulness with all the adaptations to do this. Frankly I am too lazy; I simply bought the rare and expensive 35mm back for my Bronica ETRSi when I saw one. You put a lot of effort and love into what you do. Finally, hey - I shoot Canon (among others, but no Nikons). 😝
ahah cool you liked the video, and thank you so much for the kind words 🥰 Eva here: I mostly have shot Canon digitally, but once I met the Nikon F3 film camera... no way back, you should try it, best thing ever!!! 😅
I did this in a different way. I took my spent backing paper, 120 spool, and fresh roll of 24 exp 135 into my changing bag. Then I unrolled the paper and found the tape (I left it on from development). I stuck the leader of the 35 mm film under the tape and kept it as straight as i could, and re-rolled the paper (and film) onto an empty spool. Voila! No problems with trying to roll it back into the canister and shoots just as normal 120.
Nice video. I especially liked your toothpick suggestion. Instead of the Fuji GW690 with a 90mm normal lens like you are using for panoramas, I use a Fuji GSW690 which has a 65mm wide-angle lens. Also, I cut the ends off an old 120 spool to use as adapters for my 35mm film cassette.
Ah what a good idea using an old spool! I will give that one a try for sure! Thanks for sharing ☺️👍🏼 Eva and I would love to see some of those wide angle panos! If you use Instagram share some with us. Links in description!
I stumbled on to this today and subscribed. I’m curious about your metering for exposure. Your images look so great. Have you done a video on your spot metering? I’ll dig. But anyways nice job!!
I hope you got all the info you were looking for! Don't hesitate if you have any further questions that I may be able to answer :)
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@@CrunchyFingers Sure, I did. Thanks again.
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@@CrunchyFingers just got my very first roll done and developed today. 16 awesome shots. Your method worked flawlessly with toothpicks and all. Really happy with it. I only neef to leave a bit longer backing tape at the beginning of the film. I will let the film dry now and scan tomorrow. Thank you very much again. All the bests from Austria.
@ keeping track of the comments is a bit difficult on here! I just saw your latest reply.. how did it go with the scans? Share some on Instagram if you feel like it😊
That’s a spot light-meter, it’s basically a scope that you can look through and it has little screen that shows different numbers representing the light values. It helps you dial in your camera settings manually. You can also use your smartphone, just download any light meter app, I use one called “Lux” on iPhone
Great vid, I've been addicted by the xpan shots I've been seeing on lomography and nearly cried when I saw the price of one or the tx-1... Then i started seeing people do modifications to their 6x9 cameras and stumbled onto this vid... Awesome, in depth and cool vid. Ty.
No I just take one shot, I lose some resolution but it’s fine since I use hi res mode on my digital camera while scanning which is already overkill. I only take multiple shots if I’m scanning 4x5
Nikon sucks too ! Minolta! Arxidia! Fantastic video by the way . My 690iii arrives this week, now I know what to do with those 5 rolls of 35mm 400H in the freezer . Thanks
It's tight like that because the 35mm film is not making contact with the roller that is connected to the frame counter. When you open the back it's the roller just right of the film frame. This roller was designed to be turned by the edges of 120 film, so the 35mm won't turn it. It's an easy fix, just wrap about an 8 inch strip of regular black tape around the center of this roller. This way the 35mm film can spin it properly. Then your frame counter will work properly and you won't damage the delicate gears inside.
The Hasselblad Xpan and the Fuji GFX 35mm panoramic cameras produce images with a 24x65mm aspect ratio on 35mm film. I use the following cameras to produce panoramic images on 35mm film: 24x68mm aspect ratio on Fuji 6x7cm medium format rangefinder camera with 90mm normal lens. 24x68mm aspect ratio on Mamiya RB67 medium format SLR camera with 50mm or 90mm lenses. 24x90mm aspect ratio on Fuji 6x9cm medium format rangefinder camera with 65mm wide-angle lens. 24x120mm aspect ratio on Holga 6x12cm Panoramic Camera with 90mm f/8 lens. 24x127mm aspect ratio on 4x5 inch view camera with 135mm, 90mm, or 65mm lenses. Since my cameras do not use electronics or batteries, they are likely to have less problems than the battery dependent and electronic Hasselblad and Fuji panoramic cameras.
Thanks (again) for the video. After 1 year using this hack I have a problem: Everything looks so small through the viewfinder that I struggle focusing. I've tried to find magnifiers eyepieces to use with the camera but none were compatible. How do you solve this? THANKS!!!
Thank you for the very kind comment. I found those in my local camera store. They were supposed to be 4 pieces, 2 on each side. But I took only two maybe they found the lost one and somebody else can use it haha! I’d say check your local camera store, or just google search “35mm 120 adapter”
The Xpan is a very cool camera. I'd love to have one. BUT the hang-up for me is more than just the current price (which is high) It's the fact that in 2024, if you spend $4k-$5k to get the used Xpan, and anything goes wrong with the thing, there's a very good chance you end up with a very expensive brick. There is no product support or parts supply for the Xpan or TX at this point. I'm not wealthy enough to pay that kind of money, and not be stressed out when using the camera.
You demonstrated a technique where you attached the backing paper to the beginning of the new film roll in order to load it into the camera. Is it possible that the extra paper backing/small film attached to the front may be the reason the camera tension increases as you get to the end of the new roll?
I originally did it without the paper and still got the same problem. I added the paper later just to help it align because I don’t have two pares of 3D printed adapters. But I think some people may not have the same problem. Too many thing can be the reason, like how the adapters are sitting, or maybe how tight I roll the film.. but anyway i thought I would put that in the video in case someone encounters the same issue 😊
Fantastic video. I just bought a GSW690II (65mm lens) to rock those panoramics and this was EXACTLY what I was looking for. Off topic: what light meter are you using?
Hey thanks for the kind comment, I’m glad you found the video useful! And btw take a look at the other comments there are a few nice tips from other users that I missed or forgot to mention in the video ☺️ The light meter I’m using is the Pentax digital spot meter. It’s definitely one of my favorites because of how simple it is. But unfortunately it doesn’t do flash metering if that’s something you’re into.
thought this is a nice camera to be able to shoot 2 aspect ratios and now this is just another reason to pick up the this camera XD. a small sacrifice for size but worth. but im still a little confused - so it wont let you shoot more than 16 shots because of the mechanics - so are you going to "waste" at least a few shots of film in the 36 shots you have in the 35mm film?? I understand it as you will miss out on at least one.
Yeah that sounds accurate, I couldn’t check because I already trimmed all my previously shot film of the extra blanks but if memory serves me right I think about 1 or 2 panoramic frames is what you lose. So maybe using 24 frame film is not a bad idea 😊
No unfortunately this is the only Fuji I got but it should work just as good, of course less panoramic as you mention but will be about the same size as the hasselblad expan. Just make sure that any medium format camera you wanna try this with is 220 film compatible or you’ll lose half the roll.
first time ever that I have a professional camera in my hands, I don't really know how to use it or if I exposed the film when I opened the camera to the light. if anyone can help with recommendations or tips I would be grateful! ☘
Yes you can crop any image to any size you want, but that’s not the point. The point here is that you are able to load 35mm film and get double the amount of frames, (8 on 120) vs (16 on 35mm) so that’s 50% off the cost of each frame if the you buy the same price film in the two formats. Also 35mm film is available in more emulsions most of which are more affordable and experimental, some are also available bulk rolls that you can spool at home. Otherwise it would be pointless to go through the trouble of buying an adapter and unloading the film in a dark bag and so on. I hope this answers your question.
On my GSW690, the counter does not count. I can spin the whole 135mm film. Maybe it's different with the GW690III. Your title is not correct, you have a GW690III.
I wish I could help you with that but honestly I’ve never seen a GL in person, so I don’t know much about it besides the fact that it has Interchangeable lenses. But it’s not that expensive and the prices seem pretty stable. So I would give it a shot if I were you. As for the GW I mean it just works like it should and you probably already know how much I love it 😊
Seems like a lot of work to just shoot 35mm film. While I get the response you gave previously that there's more choices in 35mm film stock than 120, it seems like the cost savings between 120 and 35mm is marginal at best (Portra 800 in 120 is $53 for a 5 pack, 35mm is $48). I'd honestly just shoot the 6x9 and crop and still have a 6x9 negative of the larger overall scene. Just my two cents, love the channel.
Thanks for the comment, Altho I kind of disagree. Because you get 16 shots per 35 roll so you have to factor that in the equation if we’re talking about cost saving. Let alone the completely different experience shooting the same camera. When I load 120 film in it, my intention is always to use the hole frame. And so using 35mm adds a limitation which forces you to think differently in my opinion inspires more creativity. People pay $4,000 plus on the xpan for a reason. And this is a cheap way of emulating it! So you don’t have to, but why not? 😉
I know I am late to this but why bother? Why not just run 120 through and then scan and crop to the pano size? I mean, this is so much extra nonsense just to run 35mm film through, and for what? So that you can have sprocket holes? Seems odd to me. :-)
We’ve discussed this in other comments. Sure you can crop a 120 roll. No one is arguing against that. But try doing that with Fuji c200 or Kodak color gold and so on.. spoiler those stocks don’t come in 120 and some people only own one camera. oh and btw if you intend on shooting pano all day, you’ll be paying double per exposure using 120 vs 135 paying the same price per roll. 16 exposure on 135 vs 8 on 120. But again you can do what ever you want..
He was alright, I think I screwed myself over by getting too excited and not checking that my equipments are ready for action. But this is how we learn 😊
I'm so glad I found this video. I recently purchased the OG G690 so I could mess around with pano stuff and having such a comprehensive guide available was a godsend.
I've watched hundreds of photography videos by this point and never expected to see photos of my hometown UPPSALA!!
We hope you liked it! Eva has been an Uppsala resident for many years now and she already did 2 more videos in the city, the Yashica T3 one and the Vito B one with “1950’s” in the title! Just in case you want to see more 😊 and as always thanks for watching and commenting
What a brilliant hack sir! I’ve been wanting to expand my medium format photography beyond 645, and this video alone tempts me to pick up a GW690👍🏼👍🏼
I'd tried this in my G690 a few times with mixed results. I decided to try again recently. The one thing I did differently this time was instead of using toothpicks to support the film canister so it doesn't bind up, I used a piece of tape to hold the canister back. It's kind of difficult to explain without a picture but basically put the canister in the same position it would be if the toothpicks were in place and then put a strip of tape from the canister top to the edge of the camera. So far it's worked fantastically!
Also since I don't care about film borders I got a mask from eTone. Makes me worry less about film flatness.
I’m glad you’re having fun with it and finding your own solutions!
I think the mask is a really good addition but at the time they were not available at my local camera store. Maybe I’ll give it another go someday
Nice video, I just set my GW690 and will take my first 35mm panorama photo with it tomorrow, Thank you for your video. 👍
Hope you enjoy it! also feel free to tag me in the results on instagram ;)
LOL on all 3 endings!
You got some great results. You know your stuff on film exposure and composition. You are also knowledgeable about the X-pan and can make balanced comments. Bravo. I am impressed with your crafty resourcefulness with all the adaptations to do this. Frankly I am too lazy; I simply bought the rare and expensive 35mm back for my Bronica ETRSi when I saw one. You put a lot of effort and love into what you do.
Finally, hey - I shoot Canon (among others, but no Nikons). 😝
ahah cool you liked the video, and thank you so much for the kind words 🥰
Eva here: I mostly have shot Canon digitally, but once I met the Nikon F3 film camera... no way back, you should try it, best thing ever!!! 😅
I’m so glad I found your channel, love your style and your work, please continue!
I did this in a different way. I took my spent backing paper, 120 spool, and fresh roll of 24 exp 135 into my changing bag. Then I unrolled the paper and found the tape (I left it on from development). I stuck the leader of the 35 mm film under the tape and kept it as straight as i could, and re-rolled the paper (and film) onto an empty spool. Voila! No problems with trying to roll it back into the canister and shoots just as normal 120.
that's brilliant! I gotta give it a try, thanks for the tip :)
altho, if it's rolled back into the canister, where does the backing paper go?
it's not rolled back into the canister it's on to an empty 120 spool onto the backing paper.
Oh exactly that’s what I first thought, then read it again and got confused haha 😅
Absolutely brilliant video! 🌸
Nice video. I especially liked your toothpick suggestion.
Instead of the Fuji GW690 with a 90mm normal lens like you are using for panoramas, I use a Fuji GSW690 which has a 65mm wide-angle lens.
Also, I cut the ends off an old 120 spool to use as adapters for my 35mm film cassette.
Ah what a good idea using an old spool! I will give that one a try for sure! Thanks for sharing ☺️👍🏼
Eva and I would love to see some of those wide angle panos! If you use Instagram share some with us. Links in description!
This is just the video I was looking for! Thanks man 🙏 Now I really want a Fuji 690 😄
Glad you found this helpful 😊
Cool shots. Good stuff man.
Great video about your method, using an excellent film! Thanks for posting!
Great video. Thank you for sharing!
Great video… well explained, be safe. Cheers..
I stumbled on to this today and subscribed. I’m curious about your metering for exposure. Your images look so great. Have you done a video on your spot metering? I’ll dig. But anyways nice job!!
This is awesome dude! Defo going to have to try this and yes Nikon’s rule!!! 🤣📸
Thanks. I was waiting for this video of yours. Also my adapters arrived. Will try this soon.👍
I hope you got all the info you were looking for! Don't hesitate if you have any further questions that I may be able to answer :)
@@CrunchyFingers Sure, I did. Thanks again.
@@CrunchyFingers just got my very first roll done and developed today. 16 awesome shots. Your method worked flawlessly with toothpicks and all. Really happy with it. I only neef to leave a bit longer backing tape at the beginning of the film. I will let the film dry now and scan tomorrow. Thank you very much again. All the bests from Austria.
@ keeping track of the comments is a bit difficult on here! I just saw your latest reply.. how did it go with the scans? Share some on Instagram if you feel like it😊
Great video, down to the point. Thanks for sharing.
Glad it was helpful! All the best!
I came across this problem with my Fuji, and sacrifice one film thanks for the top tip.
Glad it was helpful!
wow, it was a nice tutorial about film camera
and this video is save my money, because i don't need buy the xpan camera
Thanks for the 35mm hack.
Keep these good stuff coming, cheers!
Great Video!!
Super cool to watch! Can I ask, what is the handheld device you use around your neck?
That’s a spot light-meter, it’s basically a scope that you can look through and it has little screen that shows different numbers representing the light values. It helps you dial in your camera settings manually. You can also use your smartphone, just download any light meter app, I use one called “Lux” on iPhone
You're awesome, thank you!! @@CrunchyFingers
Great vid, I've been addicted by the xpan shots I've been seeing on lomography and nearly cried when I saw the price of one or the tx-1... Then i started seeing people do modifications to their 6x9 cameras and stumbled onto this vid... Awesome, in depth and cool vid. Ty.
Thanks, this is super helpful. Can you share your process for scanning the pano negs? Do you just take several shots at same exposure?
No I just take one shot, I lose some resolution but it’s fine since I use hi res mode on my digital camera while scanning which is already overkill.
I only take multiple shots if I’m scanning 4x5
Nikon sucks too ! Minolta! Arxidia! Fantastic video by the way . My 690iii arrives this week, now I know what to do with those 5 rolls of 35mm 400H in the freezer . Thanks
It's tight like that because the 35mm film is not making contact with the roller that is connected to the frame counter. When you open the back it's the roller just right of the film frame. This roller was designed to be turned by the edges of 120 film, so the 35mm won't turn it. It's an easy fix, just wrap about an 8 inch strip of regular black tape around the center of this roller. This way the 35mm film can spin it properly. Then your frame counter will work properly and you won't damage the delicate gears inside.
The uptake roll side?
Great vid. Can you tell me which light meter you used in this video?
“Pentax digital spot meter”
Thank you @@CrunchyFingers
The Hasselblad Xpan and the Fuji GFX 35mm panoramic cameras produce images with a 24x65mm aspect ratio on 35mm film.
I use the following cameras to produce panoramic images on 35mm film:
24x68mm aspect ratio on Fuji 6x7cm medium format rangefinder camera with 90mm normal lens.
24x68mm aspect ratio on Mamiya RB67 medium format SLR camera with 50mm or 90mm lenses.
24x90mm aspect ratio on Fuji 6x9cm medium format rangefinder camera with 65mm wide-angle lens.
24x120mm aspect ratio on Holga 6x12cm Panoramic Camera with 90mm f/8 lens.
24x127mm aspect ratio on 4x5 inch view camera with 135mm, 90mm, or 65mm lenses.
Since my cameras do not use electronics or batteries, they are likely to have less problems than the battery dependent and electronic Hasselblad and Fuji panoramic cameras.
Thanks (again) for the video. After 1 year using this hack I have a problem: Everything looks so small through the viewfinder that I struggle focusing. I've tried to find magnifiers eyepieces to use with the camera but none were compatible. How do you solve this? THANKS!!!
Excellent video. Nice photos too. The 35mm pano is clever. Where can the red adapters be purchased?
Thank you for the very kind comment. I found those in my local camera store.
They were supposed to be 4 pieces, 2 on each side. But I took only two maybe they found the lost one and somebody else can use it haha!
I’d say check your local camera store, or just google search “35mm 120 adapter”
This was great!!!
Thanks for watching and commenting 😊
The Xpan is a very cool camera. I'd love to have one. BUT the hang-up for me is more than just the current price (which is high) It's the fact that in 2024, if you spend $4k-$5k to get the used Xpan, and anything goes wrong with the thing, there's a very good chance you end up with a very expensive brick. There is no product support or parts supply for the Xpan or TX at this point. I'm not wealthy enough to pay that kind of money, and not be stressed out when using the camera.
You demonstrated a technique where you attached the backing paper to the beginning of the new film roll in order to load it into the camera. Is it possible that the extra paper backing/small film attached to the front may be the reason the camera tension increases as you get to the end of the new roll?
I originally did it without the paper and still got the same problem. I added the paper later just to help it align because I don’t have two pares of 3D printed adapters. But I think some people may not have the same problem. Too many thing can be the reason, like how the adapters are sitting, or maybe how tight I roll the film.. but anyway i thought I would put that in the video in case someone encounters the same issue 😊
She got me to comment haha. Love the video. Thanks for making this. (I only own a canon 35mm sorry)
Fantastic video. I just bought a GSW690II (65mm lens) to rock those panoramics and this was EXACTLY what I was looking for. Off topic: what light meter are you using?
Hey thanks for the kind comment, I’m glad you found the video useful! And btw take a look at the other comments there are a few nice tips from other users that I missed or forgot to mention in the video ☺️
The light meter I’m using is the Pentax digital spot meter. It’s definitely one of my favorites because of how simple it is. But unfortunately it doesn’t do flash metering if that’s something you’re into.
Great video. Two gear questions: what film and what spotmeter did you use
Fuji pro 400h, and the light meter is a Pentax digital spot meter. Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much!
Hey, what is it you are using before taking the photo, some kind of viewfinder/lightmeter?
Yes! It is a Pentax digital spotmeter to measure exposure.
@@CrunchyFingers Only just seen this, thank you!
Great Video
Is there any reason why you cant shoot 35MM Pano on a Fujica GL690 the same way you are doing on the GW690? Has anyone had any success?
thought this is a nice camera to be able to shoot 2 aspect ratios and now this is just another reason to pick up the this camera XD.
a small sacrifice for size but worth.
but im still a little confused - so it wont let you shoot more than 16 shots because of the mechanics - so are you going to "waste" at least a few shots of film in the 36 shots you have in the 35mm film??
I understand it as you will miss out on at least one.
Yeah that sounds accurate, I couldn’t check because I already trimmed all my previously shot film of the extra blanks but if memory serves me right I think about 1 or 2 panoramic frames is what you lose. So maybe using 24 frame film is not a bad idea 😊
@@CrunchyFingers Did you ever get to try this on the FUJI 6X7 type camera? Or do you think it might work but less panoramic? Fuji GW670
No unfortunately this is the only Fuji I got but it should work just as good, of course less panoramic as you mention but will be about the same size as the hasselblad expan. Just make sure that any medium format camera you wanna try this with is 220 film compatible or you’ll lose half the roll.
first time ever that I have a professional camera in my hands, I don't really know how to use it or if I exposed the film when I opened the camera to the light.
if anyone can help with recommendations or tips I would be grateful!
☘
Bravo!
If you use 120 film you can crop ? To have panoramic pictures right??
I don’t think that’s possible no
Yes you can crop any image to any size you want, but that’s not the point.
The point here is that you are able to load 35mm film and get double the amount of frames, (8 on 120) vs (16 on 35mm) so that’s 50% off the cost of each frame if the you buy the same price film in the two formats.
Also 35mm film is available in more emulsions most of which are more affordable and experimental, some are also available bulk rolls that you can spool at home.
Otherwise it would be pointless to go through the trouble of buying an adapter and unloading the film in a dark bag and so on.
I hope this answers your question.
On my GSW690, the counter does not count. I can spin the whole 135mm film. Maybe it's different with the GW690III.
Your title is not correct, you have a GW690III.
The same problem can happen on my camera, I can’t say for sure but I think I address it in the video
The world is fucked and we all gonna die.
LOL
Loved the video!
Which Fuji should I buy though!?
Oldest GL pro or newer gw II or III?
I wish I could help you with that but honestly I’ve never seen a GL in person, so I don’t know much about it besides the fact that it has Interchangeable lenses. But it’s not that expensive and the prices seem pretty stable. So I would give it a shot if I were you. As for the GW I mean it just works like it should and you probably already know how much I love it 😊
Sold my xpan with 2 lenses today and keep my 690II because of the image quality
what?
Nikon is ok. Fuji gl 690? 🤔
Yes it’s currently going for about half the price of this one.
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Seems like a lot of work to just shoot 35mm film. While I get the response you gave previously that there's more choices in 35mm film stock than 120, it seems like the cost savings between 120 and 35mm is marginal at best (Portra 800 in 120 is $53 for a 5 pack, 35mm is $48). I'd honestly just shoot the 6x9 and crop and still have a 6x9 negative of the larger overall scene. Just my two cents, love the channel.
Thanks for the comment, Altho I kind of disagree. Because you get 16 shots per 35 roll so you have to factor that in the equation if we’re talking about cost saving.
Let alone the completely different experience shooting the same camera. When I load 120 film in it, my intention is always to use the hole frame. And so using 35mm adds a limitation which forces you to think differently in my opinion inspires more creativity.
People pay $4,000 plus on the xpan for a reason. And this is a cheap way of emulating it! So you don’t have to, but why not? 😉
There are some film stocks that are not available in 120.
@@StephenTillmanPhoto I get that, still don't see the savings in money or time, but that's just me.
I know I am late to this but why bother? Why not just run 120 through and then scan and crop to the pano size? I mean, this is so much extra nonsense just to run 35mm film through, and for what? So that you can have sprocket holes? Seems odd to me. :-)
We’ve discussed this in other comments. Sure you can crop a 120 roll. No one is arguing against that. But try doing that with Fuji c200 or Kodak color gold and so on.. spoiler those stocks don’t come in 120 and some people only own one camera. oh and btw if you intend on shooting pano all day, you’ll be paying double per exposure using 120 vs 135 paying the same price per roll. 16 exposure on 135 vs 8 on 120. But again you can do what ever you want..
@@CrunchyFingers Yeah, I went and read the other threads. It still seems bothersome. I understand now though. Thanks!
Can you just use the panoramic adaptor plate with 120 film?
Couldn't you just shoot 120 film and crop for the panorama? Way more practical.
I wouldn’t say practical because that is case dependent. it would be faster and more wasteful for sure.
#sprocketrocket
I don’t understand. Why not use 120 and crop in post? and why is it more wasteful. Please explain thanks
27:29 😂
The gyros guy screwed you up!!
He was alright, I think I screwed myself over by getting too excited and not checking that my equipments are ready for action. But this is how we learn 😊