Themis took the time to tell us he had no regrets, essentially that he forgave us and bore us no ill will. I am really happy for that. I hope he, Hythlodaeus, and Hades reincarnate and get happy lives. Or maybe they reincarnate on a shard, we meet them when they are older cus time dilation, and we get to pull their next selves into our adventuring shenanigans. So... happy lives all around at that point. lol
I don't think they'll reincarnate on a shard because in the Endwalker MSQ Hydaelyn implied that the sea on other shards are separate when she had to take Minfilia's and Emet's souls back to the Source after their passing. Then again, Athena implies that she was able to pluck Themis' soul for use in the Themis we fight, so perhaps the boundaries between the shards of the underworld are not so vast.
@@jaesaces She did imply that, yeah, but if it was Hydaelyn's existence that was keeping those lifestreams separated in the first place, it might be possible now that she's gone. Which would also explain how Athena was able to grab what was left of Themis from the 1st, like you said.
I AM THE EMISSARY AND I WILL NEVER DIE - Themis TO ME WARRIORS OF LIGHT I AM SALVATION GIVEN FORM MAN KINDS FIRST HERO AND HIS FINAL HOPE FOR VICTORY I RENDER UP MY ALL - Elidubus CLAD IN PRAYER I AM INVINCIBLE - Elidubus
I get such a kick out of how they constantly reinforce how dedicated Themis is to his duty. He saw scraps of memory that just barely hint that you and him help one another at some point, with barely any context, and immediately knows he must help you because in some way it will protect the star. He tells you about Hermes and Elpis, and is cooperative with you because he still feels it is his duty to serve the star as Emissary no matter what. A lot of fiction does that trope where a character is obsessed with their duty, but they really made it work with Elidibus. It isn't just his character trait or goal, it's his entire being. Down to the last iota of aether in his being, he serves as Emissary and will complete his duty. No matter the cost.
i hope none of our Ancient friends come back into the story. don't get me wrong, i love them as characters. i just feel that they've finally gotten genuine closure. *wouldn't mind it if they did show up again though lol*
Kinda hoping FF14 moves away from bringing back dead characters so much. Anabaseios was fine because of the setting, but otherwise I'll treasure these memories more as... memories
@@trustytrest Well.. as Sephiroth once said: I will...never be a memory... Emet, Hythlo, Themis.. are well loved. Perhaps someday .. we will see them again. If not in the next Expansion, then maybe in another. ;)
@@oliverurbanik9647 Hopefully not. When you keep bringing back dead characters it diminishes the quality of the material. It's like how being dead in DragonBall isn't even an emotional thing anymore since the character will be back in two episodes.
@@SRFAA or ya'know how they "killed off" the Scions at the end of EW then brought them back 15mins later...just really kills the gravity of our situation
I wouldn’t mind them waiting for us at the end of final XPac. Kind of waiting for Azem to Journey with them to the great beyond. Or if we had any more time travel shenanigans and they appeared as background characters (not necessarily to the world unsundered but maybe in a prior Astral Era. Confuse the shot out of Emet who catches a quick glimps). But no returning from the dead.
This felt like putting Elidibus' spirit to rest, because last time he was so dejected that he couldn't defeat the Warrior of Darkness and bring back his people. Now he can rest and be reborn.
I was dreading this ever since the teaser for Pandaemonium after 6.0 and I bawled like a baby during this scene. I'm so thankful they decided to VA this, they knew what they were doing. Elidibus/Themis will be deeply missed 😭😭💔💔
Lil' Bro finally got the rest he deserved. Goodbye Elidibus and the Ascians, much as I would like to, I doubt we will ever meet again and hope such is the case.
Its interesting that we seem to have dreams of that underwater section during Endwalker, though its with Hyth talking and bubbling sounds responding, presumably us trying to talk.
Seems like he's being reincarnated. So Themis specifically won't be, but his soul will. Unsundered, but completely modern individual. Maybe will meet him in one of the shards.
@@SteelSpurs I know that but the og comment seems to imply something else lol. I moreso meant "rest from the story" I don't think the ancients should be brought back unless in a flashback
they resurrected eldibus twice for the plot and explicitly showed him again at the end. He will be back along with Hythlodaeus, Hades, and Hephaistos (Themis sees his soul as a new star after he dissipates). Maybe not next expansion, but he's not gone as far as I'm concerned. We will use the Azem crystal to resurrect them at some point to fight whatever the Big Bad of the day is, maybe Jenova. People kept insisting Hades was gone after 5.0. Then 5.3. Now 6.0. Themis was gone after 5.3, then he was gone gone by his own words after 6.0. Now we see his soul survived and he's been restored as of 6.4.
@jermtaztik5653 he was a proponent of "assisted suicide," meaning that his patients who were terminally ill were offered a chance to die with dignity, often before the pain of their illnesses made their lives truly hellish. In some cases, cancer patients deal with constant, excruciating pain for nearly a year, despite all the pain killers, before passing away. Kavorkian would set it up so that the patient could press a button that would inject them with a painless, but lethal, chemical. He was put on trial several times for this, but because he was never the one to push the button, he was never convicted. Until he had a patient who was physically incapable of pushing the button, and Kavorkian, with the patient's consent, pressed the button for them, and that was what put him behind bars. Then again, this is all from memory of news that happened some 20 years ago, I might be wrong on parts.
Maybe I missed something, but like I was under the impression that the Themis at the end of this was just a construct made by Athena based on Themis' memories. What am I missing? Like, this isn't the real Themis. Even he acknowledged that when first meeting him in Athena's wrest over Pandaemonium...?
@panzershuriken6590 I'm just confused because I can't find any one other person supporting this conclusion; everyone seems to not have noticed this isn't really the full Themis, just a reconstruction of him based on his memories. Obviously when we return to the actual Pandaemonium, he is just fine. (Until the Final Days come around, that is, and he slowly turns evil over time)
@@zacharyhall7466 I understand its a fragment, hence the hazy comment he made. But the fact he recalled the fight on the CT in the 1st. That was a bit something I did not expect. The other is they took pieces from existing souls that were compatible and made it form, could be wrong.
@panzershuriken6590 Do you remember what he said specifically about him as Elidibus the Ascian in the first? He could also have assumed as much (depending on exactly what he said) from piecing things together about the current (Pandaemonium) story, as he is probably one of the smartest Holmesian types in the game.
@@zacharyhall7466 I think it was more of implied that he knew when he was pieced together. The biggest reveal or drop of it really was this what played here. He probably may also know a lot or retained a good deal of memory, but didnt really disclose it. I try to not overthink it much and just assume the message being given. What I mostly recall was him remembering the fight in CT.
I was so horribly saddened and disappointed by his farewell. After all that it seemed completely unaffectionate. Like we were nothing more then some vague acquaintance. Oh, yeah, nice to meet you too. Have a nice day. Bye. That was the part that got me about this.
As someone who's favorite character from the game is Themis/Elidibus, I completely understand why someone would be neutral about him or even dislike him. But I can go into why I and why I think many others like him, and my interpretations of the character! Elidibus is a character who through all of his cutscenes and the official short story is made to be a young adult put into a huge responsibility a bit too early. To reach a profession like Elidibus's in your (relative) early 20s, you inevitably have to put a huge chunk of your time since you were a child into becoming that skilled. And if you are extremely skilled at a young age at something through sheer dedication of time, it becomes a core part of your identity. Elidibus in 5.3 has nothing left of his identity except his duty, the profession he chose as Themis a long time ago. His memory loss was caused by being Zodiark's heart, but even before that unhealthy dedication to duty is said to have always been a trait of his. This was only amplified by Zodiark wiping his mind. When Themis became Elidibus, he was doubted about his suitability for the role. For a young person so skilled, having dedicated so much time to a single thing that there is no space left for an identity outside of "being good at being Elidibus", being doubted of your capabilities is the same as your entire self being questioned. This, along with his very sincere nature, always worrying about everything according to Emet, of course makes him take every criticism incredibly seriously. For a person like this, anything less than dedicating 100% of your time to your duty is not being good enough. So to me personally, he is the tragic end of making your entire identity your skill/profession, and the identity issues that follow. Aside from these themes, I find the way he speaks incredibly charming. Overly formal, while also being very sincere. I also enjoy him as a cold manipulative villain, who is motivated by truly, sincerely believing that he is right and he must succeed, or else he has failed everyone and himself. In Pandaemonium, I see his last speech as an acceptance of what his life was. He did not always do the perfect choice, but in the end at least some of his effort contributed towards noble goal. For someone as perfectionistic, implied to be obsessed with being good enough, accepting that is incredibly powerful. He gave so much of himself, dying for the world not only once but twice, that I cannot but wish he can now be in peace. This was very long haha, but I am very passionate personally about the character. If you somehow read this far, maybe you understand him a bit more! But it is ok to dislike a character.
Themis took the time to tell us he had no regrets, essentially that he forgave us and bore us no ill will. I am really happy for that. I hope he, Hythlodaeus, and Hades reincarnate and get happy lives.
Or maybe they reincarnate on a shard, we meet them when they are older cus time dilation, and we get to pull their next selves into our adventuring shenanigans. So... happy lives all around at that point. lol
I don't think they'll reincarnate on a shard because in the Endwalker MSQ Hydaelyn implied that the sea on other shards are separate when she had to take Minfilia's and Emet's souls back to the Source after their passing.
Then again, Athena implies that she was able to pluck Themis' soul for use in the Themis we fight, so perhaps the boundaries between the shards of the underworld are not so vast.
@@jaesaces She did imply that, yeah, but if it was Hydaelyn's existence that was keeping those lifestreams separated in the first place, it might be possible now that she's gone. Which would also explain how Athena was able to grab what was left of Themis from the 1st, like you said.
The "A journey as long as your star is bright" line gets me every single time.
This is the final farewell to the Ancients.
Farewell, Themis.
Of all the non msq story moments in FF14 this is 100% my favorite. Farewell Themis, farewell Elidibus, and farewell our Ancient brothers.
"Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and beyond them is more than memory. Farewell."
I AM THE EMISSARY
AND I WILL NEVER DIE - Themis
TO ME WARRIORS OF LIGHT
I AM SALVATION GIVEN FORM
MAN KINDS FIRST HERO AND HIS FINAL HOPE
FOR VICTORY I RENDER UP MY ALL - Elidubus
CLAD IN PRAYER I AM INVINCIBLE - Elidubus
This got my heart soo good I’ll miss Themis a lot such a fantastic character
I knew I shouldn't have skipped
Ye it’s too good to skip but also what UA-cam’s for atleast
I get such a kick out of how they constantly reinforce how dedicated Themis is to his duty.
He saw scraps of memory that just barely hint that you and him help one another at some point, with barely any context, and immediately knows he must help you because in some way it will protect the star.
He tells you about Hermes and Elpis, and is cooperative with you because he still feels it is his duty to serve the star as Emissary no matter what.
A lot of fiction does that trope where a character is obsessed with their duty, but they really made it work with Elidibus. It isn't just his character trait or goal, it's his entire being.
Down to the last iota of aether in his being, he serves as Emissary and will complete his duty. No matter the cost.
Thankyou, Themis...you have been a wonderful character - you may now rest, we'll not forget you...
Friend.
I'm so glad Themis got the closure he needed. He will be missed ! 😭
i hope none of our Ancient friends come back into the story. don't get me wrong, i love them as characters. i just feel that they've finally gotten genuine closure. *wouldn't mind it if they did show up again though lol*
Kinda hoping FF14 moves away from bringing back dead characters so much. Anabaseios was fine because of the setting, but otherwise I'll treasure these memories more as... memories
@@trustytrest Well.. as Sephiroth once said: I will...never be a memory...
Emet, Hythlo, Themis.. are well loved. Perhaps someday .. we will see them again. If not in the next Expansion, then maybe in another. ;)
@@oliverurbanik9647 Hopefully not. When you keep bringing back dead characters it diminishes the quality of the material. It's like how being dead in DragonBall isn't even an emotional thing anymore since the character will be back in two episodes.
@@SRFAA or ya'know how they "killed off" the Scions at the end of EW then brought them back 15mins later...just really kills the gravity of our situation
I wouldn’t mind them waiting for us at the end of final XPac. Kind of waiting for Azem to Journey with them to the great beyond. Or if we had any more time travel shenanigans and they appeared as background characters (not necessarily to the world unsundered but maybe in a prior Astral Era. Confuse the shot out of Emet who catches a quick glimps). But no returning from the dead.
I cried like a baby when I got here 😭😭😭
Someone should make a compilation of each farewell with Flow in the background
This felt like putting Elidibus' spirit to rest, because last time he was so dejected that he couldn't defeat the Warrior of Darkness and bring back his people. Now he can rest and be reborn.
I was dreading this ever since the teaser for Pandaemonium after 6.0 and I bawled like a baby during this scene. I'm so thankful they decided to VA this, they knew what they were doing. Elidibus/Themis will be deeply missed 😭😭💔💔
Lil' Bro finally got the rest he deserved. Goodbye Elidibus and the Ascians, much as I would like to, I doubt we will ever meet again and hope such is the case.
1:02 your character looks so cute! she looks like shes about to cry
This voice gives me chills even when I barely understand the story
It's a terrible day for rain.
No my friend. The rains have ceased, and it is another beautiful day.
@@matthewandriaccio8961 Full glad being with you to see it
what a way to punch me in the feels.....bright stars and Flow playing in the background 😭💖
Didn’t expect to cry at this scene, but I did.
This game does wonder in making us feel for the “villains”.
This completely took me by surprise since Raid cutscenes haven't had any voice acting since The Binding Coils
We all were and always will be friends.
Just like John Wick, he'll be back.
I do wonder what that last part really means, the "underwater" section.
Many peeps theorize that he finally able to reincarnate
So technically, he would be truly gone. Memories of the soul aside, Elbibus can finally rest.
Its interesting that we seem to have dreams of that underwater section during Endwalker, though its with Hyth talking and bubbling sounds responding, presumably us trying to talk.
@@AlleluiaElizabeth i assumed it was talking to emet-selch, as after this you then get the two of them narrating heading to ultima thule
He went into the light. A lot of people copium that he's coming back but if he did, that entire scene would be cheapened.
Last time he died crying bc he felt he had failed, now he can die with a smile just like Emet Selch
He'll be back.
Seems like he's being reincarnated. So Themis specifically won't be, but his soul will. Unsundered, but completely modern individual. Maybe will meet him in one of the shards.
Copium 💀💀💀 just let him rest bro 😮💨
@@lasagna970 But he’s gonna be reincarnated tho lol, that’s just how it works.
@@SteelSpurs I know that but the og comment seems to imply something else lol. I moreso meant "rest from the story" I don't think the ancients should be brought back unless in a flashback
they resurrected eldibus twice for the plot and explicitly showed him again at the end. He will be back along with Hythlodaeus, Hades, and Hephaistos (Themis sees his soul as a new star after he dissipates). Maybe not next expansion, but he's not gone as far as I'm concerned.
We will use the Azem crystal to resurrect them at some point to fight whatever the Big Bad of the day is, maybe Jenova.
People kept insisting Hades was gone after 5.0. Then 5.3. Now 6.0. Themis was gone after 5.3, then he was gone gone by his own words after 6.0. Now we see his soul survived and he's been restored as of 6.4.
Damn you gave me an earth attack, I thought you were quitting the game, I like your videos pls continue
I'm gonna miss him so much I can't believe I hated him in the beginning in arr 😭😭
... 😭
damn, he was really stubborn to die
Justice never dies
what was the title of the soundtrack used here for this scene? I cant get it out of my head and want to listen to it more!
Did you make your UI smaller? It's so tiny for me!
T . T
Paging Dr. Jack Kevorkian. We got a stubborn breather here!
Well...considering Kavorkian's methods that wouldn't be something to bring up to him.
@@omegagilgamesh Please explain the methods. 🙇♂️
@jermtaztik5653 he was a proponent of "assisted suicide," meaning that his patients who were terminally ill were offered a chance to die with dignity, often before the pain of their illnesses made their lives truly hellish. In some cases, cancer patients deal with constant, excruciating pain for nearly a year, despite all the pain killers, before passing away.
Kavorkian would set it up so that the patient could press a button that would inject them with a painless, but lethal, chemical. He was put on trial several times for this, but because he was never the one to push the button, he was never convicted. Until he had a patient who was physically incapable of pushing the button, and Kavorkian, with the patient's consent, pressed the button for them, and that was what put him behind bars.
Then again, this is all from memory of news that happened some 20 years ago, I might be wrong on parts.
Maybe I missed something, but like I was under the impression that the Themis at the end of this was just a construct made by Athena based on Themis' memories. What am I missing? Like, this isn't the real Themis. Even he acknowledged that when first meeting him in Athena's wrest over Pandaemonium...?
I am assuming his soul returned to the aetherial sea and was plucked from there too A familiar vessel along with memories maybe?
@panzershuriken6590 I'm just confused because I can't find any one other person supporting this conclusion; everyone seems to not have noticed this isn't really the full Themis, just a reconstruction of him based on his memories. Obviously when we return to the actual Pandaemonium, he is just fine. (Until the Final Days come around, that is, and he slowly turns evil over time)
@@zacharyhall7466 I understand its a fragment, hence the hazy comment he made. But the fact he recalled the fight on the CT in the 1st. That was a bit something I did not expect. The other is they took pieces from existing souls that were compatible and made it form, could be wrong.
@panzershuriken6590 Do you remember what he said specifically about him as Elidibus the Ascian in the first? He could also have assumed as much (depending on exactly what he said) from piecing things together about the current (Pandaemonium) story, as he is probably one of the smartest Holmesian types in the game.
@@zacharyhall7466 I think it was more of implied that he knew when he was pieced together. The biggest reveal or drop of it really was this what played here. He probably may also know a lot or retained a good deal of memory, but didnt really disclose it. I try to not overthink it much and just assume the message being given.
What I mostly recall was him remembering the fight in CT.
I was so horribly saddened and disappointed by his farewell. After all that it seemed completely unaffectionate. Like we were nothing more then some vague acquaintance. Oh, yeah, nice to meet you too. Have a nice day. Bye. That was the part that got me about this.
WOW and FFXIV said farewell to amazing characters on this month.
Considering I don't play WoW, can you tell me who that character is so I can look up stuff about them?
@@omegagilgamesh Malygos, Sindragosa, Senegos and Tarecgosa.
Thanks.
Man your title is misleading
Seems like he's being reincarnated. So it's a final farewell to Themis, but his soul will be reborn as someone new.
I wished I knew why people liked Themis so much. He was my least favorite character in this raid.
As someone who's favorite character from the game is Themis/Elidibus, I completely understand why someone would be neutral about him or even dislike him. But I can go into why I and why I think many others like him, and my interpretations of the character!
Elidibus is a character who through all of his cutscenes and the official short story is made to be a young adult put into a huge responsibility a bit too early. To reach a profession like Elidibus's in your (relative) early 20s, you inevitably have to put a huge chunk of your time since you were a child into becoming that skilled. And if you are extremely skilled at a young age at something through sheer dedication of time, it becomes a core part of your identity.
Elidibus in 5.3 has nothing left of his identity except his duty, the profession he chose as Themis a long time ago. His memory loss was caused by being Zodiark's heart, but even before that unhealthy dedication to duty is said to have always been a trait of his. This was only amplified by Zodiark wiping his mind.
When Themis became Elidibus, he was doubted about his suitability for the role. For a young person so skilled, having dedicated so much time to a single thing that there is no space left for an identity outside of "being good at being Elidibus", being doubted of your capabilities is the same as your entire self being questioned. This, along with his very sincere nature, always worrying about everything according to Emet, of course makes him take every criticism incredibly seriously. For a person like this, anything less than dedicating 100% of your time to your duty is not being good enough. So to me personally, he is the tragic end of making your entire identity your skill/profession, and the identity issues that follow.
Aside from these themes, I find the way he speaks incredibly charming. Overly formal, while also being very sincere. I also enjoy him as a cold manipulative villain, who is motivated by truly, sincerely believing that he is right and he must succeed, or else he has failed everyone and himself.
In Pandaemonium, I see his last speech as an acceptance of what his life was. He did not always do the perfect choice, but in the end at least some of his effort contributed towards noble goal. For someone as perfectionistic, implied to be obsessed with being good enough, accepting that is incredibly powerful. He gave so much of himself, dying for the world not only once but twice, that I cannot but wish he can now be in peace.
This was very long haha, but I am very passionate personally about the character. If you somehow read this far, maybe you understand him a bit more! But it is ok to dislike a character.
First time hearing the ENG voice. It doesn't suit him eh?
I fell asleep during that part
and finally he "came home" this moment became one of the reasons why I love this game so much....🤍
Fantastic closure to the ancients. I’m glad Themis gets the final words. Incredible acting by Matt Stokoe. 🥹