A tremendous loss in the prayer! |Shaykh al-Albani
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2021
- Shaykh al-Albani describes a sunnah that is neglected by the majority of those who pray in congregation leading to a tremendous loss.
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Astaghfirullah.
I am one of those who are quick to say Aameen immediately after waldhaaleen getting ahead of the Imam.
Going forward, I will change, InnShaaAllaah.
Please clear me that we have to wait for the imam to recite ameen than we have to recite ameen after him ?
@@zaminshah212 I think there's a difference of opinion on whether you are supposed to say it at the same time as him or after.
Aameen Allah guide us n forgive us all
@@zaminshah212After.
This is so true. I can barely even hear the Imam say “Ameen” when I am in congregational salah. It bothers me every time. I will mention this to him in hopes that he will correct the people. I always wait and try to say it after him. Alhamdulillah this is a hadeeth that I know and have always tried my best to hold on to. 😊
Brother, in my country the imam does not even say Ameen. So, compared to that you are in a good state anyways.
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on saying Aameen out loud, and whether it is proven from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) that he said Aameen quietly in a prayer in which the recitation is done out loud?
He replied: Saying Aameen out loud in a prayer in which the recitation is done out loud is Sunnah, because it is connected to the recitation, and concerning that there are hadiths from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) which say that he used to say it so loud that the mosque was filled with the voices of the congregation saying it out loud. And because the one who is praying behind the imam says Aameen to his imam’s recitation which he did out loud. The supplication is said out loud, so it is appropriate for the Aameen to be said out loud too. This is from a theoretical point of view.
However, this issue should not be a cause of stirring up argument and resentment among the Muslims, for that is not the way of our righteous predecessors (as-salaf as-saalih).The salaf differed concerning such matters, but they did not regard one another as misguided because of that. So if a person raises his voice when saying Aameen in a prayer in which recitation is done out loud, that is good and is preferable.
End quote from Majmoo‘ Fataawa ash-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (13/140).
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: Is it permissible not to say Aameen out loud and not to raise the hands?
He replied:
Yes, if he is among people who do not raise their hands and do not say Aameen out loud. In that case it is better not to do that, so as to soften their hearts, and so that he will be able to call them to goodness, and to teach them and guide them, and so that it will be possible to reconcile between them. If he differs from them, they will be put off by that, because they think that this is the teaching of the religion; they think that one should not raise the hands except at the takbeerat al-ihraam [the takbeer at the beginning of the prayer]. They think that this is the teaching of the religion, and that is how they were taught by their scholars.
The same applies to not saying Aameen out loud, which is a well-known difference of opinion among the scholars; some of them say that it should be said out loud, and some say that it should not be said out loud. In the hadiths it says that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) raised his voice when saying that, and in other hadiths it says that he kept his voice low.
Even though the correct view is that it is mustahabb to say Aameen out loud, and that it is something that is recommended, not doing so is no more than omitting something recommended (mustahabb). So a believer may refrain from doing something that is recommended if doing it will lead to division, disputes and trouble. In fact [in that case] the believer should refrain from doing the thing that is recommended. With regard to one who seeks to call people to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, if his refraining from doing it will serve a greater purpose then he should refrain from doing it. An example of that is when the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) chose not to demolish the Ka‘bah and rebuild it on the foundations of Ibraaheem; he said: “…because Quraysh have only recently left disbelief behind.” Hence he left it as it was, and did not change it, because that served the public interest. End quote.
www.binbaz.org.sa/mat/4438
بارك الله فيك
I think u got the wrong idea, this is not about saying ameen.
Its about not preceding imam.
Hanif mathaab they don’t say Amiin some of them and some say say silently or barely..You not the only one brother even me it bothers me never seen things like this till I prayed with Hanifi followers..
So it is like that, when I prayed in the masjid and the imam finished reciting Surah Al-Fatihah, I was surprised why the other makmum didn't immediately say "Amin," as if they were waiting for a moment. I was the only one who said "Amin" right away, and it made me feel uncomfortable. I wondered in my heart why they were slow in saying "Amin." But as it turned out, I was the one who said "Amin" too quickly. It's truly amazing how much I didn't know.
In Nigeria we say ameen loudly after imam Alhamdulillah.
Loudly?? Why??
@@zaidab9855 This is Sunnah.
@@thefundamentalistmuslim2027 We also have proof that Ameen should be said silently
In the silent prayer, yes🤦🏽♂️
The sun nah is to say it along with the iman not after
The last statement is worth noticing..
May Allah forgives all your sins and grant you best place in Jannah.. Shaykh.
Aameen
Ameen
Ameen
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever sends blessings upon me, Allaah will send blessings upon him tenfold.” Narrated by Muslim (384)
Stop lying
@@justforlaughsmate3900 Begone
Allah grant you and all of us a heighter postion in jannah . I love you brother for the sake of allah .wallah you are doing a great job subhanallah
Alhamdulilah the imam of masjid As Sahaba in Columbus ohio is always telling the ppl this. Alhamdulilah always follow the one leading the prayer.
May Allah have mercy upon our imam...Aameen
آمين
Ameen
Aameen
*ALLAH SWT 😊
Ameen ya Rab
Assalamu alaikum dear brothers
If you can all read what Shaykh Uthaymeen and ibn baz said about the issue about saying ameen behind people who don't which is below as it's very important. It shouldn't cause division and enmity.
BarakAllahu feekum
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on saying Aameen out loud, and whether it is proven from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) that he said Aameen quietly in a prayer in which the recitation is done out loud?
He replied: Saying Aameen out loud in a prayer in which the recitation is done out loud is Sunnah, because it is connected to the recitation, and concerning that there are hadiths from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) which say that he used to say it so loud that the mosque was filled with the voices of the congregation saying it out loud. And because the one who is praying behind the imam says Aameen to his imam’s recitation which he did out loud. The supplication is said out loud, so it is appropriate for the Aameen to be said out loud too. This is from a theoretical point of view.
However, this issue should not be a cause of stirring up argument and resentment among the Muslims, for that is not the way of our righteous predecessors (as-salaf as-saalih).The salaf differed concerning such matters, but they did not regard one another as misguided because of that. So if a person raises his voice when saying Aameen in a prayer in which recitation is done out loud, that is good and is preferable.
End quote from Majmoo‘ Fataawa ash-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (13/140).
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: Is it permissible not to say Aameen out loud and not to raise the hands?
He replied:
Yes, if he is among people who do not raise their hands and do not say Aameen out loud. In that case it is better not to do that, so as to soften their hearts, and so that he will be able to call them to goodness, and to teach them and guide them, and so that it will be possible to reconcile between them. If he differs from them, they will be put off by that, because they think that this is the teaching of the religion; they think that one should not raise the hands except at the takbeerat al-ihraam [the takbeer at the beginning of the prayer]. They think that this is the teaching of the religion, and that is how they were taught by their scholars.
The same applies to not saying Aameen out loud, which is a well-known difference of opinion among the scholars; some of them say that it should be said out loud, and some say that it should not be said out loud. In the hadiths it says that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) raised his voice when saying that, and in other hadiths it says that he kept his voice low.
Even though the correct view is that it is mustahabb to say Aameen out loud, and that it is something that is recommended, not doing so is no more than omitting something recommended (mustahabb). So a believer may refrain from doing something that is recommended if doing it will lead to division, disputes and trouble. In fact [in that case] the believer should refrain from doing the thing that is recommended. With regard to one who seeks to call people to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, if his refraining from doing it will serve a greater purpose then he should refrain from doing it. An example of that is when the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) chose not to demolish the Ka‘bah and rebuild it on the foundations of Ibraaheem; he said: “…because Quraysh have only recently left disbelief behind.” Hence he left it as it was, and did not change it, because that served the public interest. End quote.
www.binbaz.org.sa/mat/4438
Jazak Allah khair brother, the explanation was much more logical and acceptable .
Akhi this isn't an issue of whether it should be said out loud. It's an issue of preceding the imam in saying Aameen.
@@jagenaught indeed
@@jagenaught Yes brother you are right but some of the brothers who are from the south asian part of the world when they listen to this, the first question which comes to mind is when the Ameen should be said out loudly because here the Imam tells the people to not say ameen out loudly after Surah Fatiha. The same thing popped in my mind also which is cleared by this comment.
@@kamranhafeez2236 it's hard to believe but in some countries if you say Amen out loud you could have serious problems
Take a few seconds and say
📿 Astaghfirullah ×3
📿 SubhanAllah ×3
📿 Allhamdulillah ×3
📿 Allah-hu-Akbar x3
📿La ilaha illallah x3
Congratulations good deeds for both of us ⭐️
Allahu te bekofte shaykh al-Albani ❤️
Hadith
"حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنَا مَالِكٌ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ سَعِيدِ بْنِ الْمُسَيَّبِ، وَأَبِي، سَلَمَةَ بْنِ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ أَنَّهُمَا أَخْبَرَاهُ عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ " إِذَا أَمَّنَ الإِمَامُ فَأَمِّنُوا فَإِنَّهُ مَنْ وَافَقَ تَأْمِينُهُ تَأْمِينَ الْمَلاَئِكَةِ غُفِرَ لَهُ مَا تَقَدَّمَ مِنْ ذَنْبِهِ ". وَقَالَ ابْنُ شِهَابٍ وَكَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ " آمِينَ "."
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Say Amin" when the Imam says it and if the Amin of any one of you coincides with that of the angels then all his past sins will be forgiven." Ibn Shihab said, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to Say "Amin."
Sahih
Sahih al-Bukhari, 780
In-Book Reference: Book 10, Hadith 175
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Vol. 1, Book 12, Hadith 747 (deprecated numbering scheme)
May Allah bless our great scholar sheikh Albani with the highest Jannah Firdeus Al ala next to Resulullah saws Ameen ☝🏼🤲🏼
@@robtecau4963 estagfirullah estagfirullah estagfirullah people who speaks bad about scholar's and knowing that their meat is poised...may Allah guide me and you and all ignorant people
@Alonide Aquaintor
Thanks akhi for your advice Astagfirullah Astagfirullah Astagfirullah :)
@Alonide Aquaintor He is right. And you are right too.
Maybe he is from those people who pronounce it like this (lebanon, africa etc).
Don't think everything which you don't usually say as wrong.
@Alonide Aquaintor 🥵those influenced by french write estagfirullah.
Those influenced by brits write astagfirullah.
What's the fighting with roman character?
They write
Elhamdolillah
And you write alhamdulillah.
Both are right. Just different roman letter as they pronounce words differently
@Alonide Aquaintor are you persian? We say fatah dammah kasrah in arabic. Not zer zabar pesh etc.
Sheikh al Albani rahimahu allah, jazaka'allah'jairan por todo lo que nos a enseñado que allah le dé el rango más alto del jannah, me haga de los creyentes sincerós a mi también me enseñe como lo a ensenado Allah dame el rango más alto del jannah el 7 cielo la casa más grande a mi, Amin 🤲🏼
Amin
I see this a lot too and Iman Ahmad wrote a book about this issue too may Allah guide us all back to the Deen
May Allah reward you ameen.May Allah forgive and accept us ameen
JAZAKALLAH KHAIR
Jazakallah
Abu Umamah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Whoever recites the ‘verse of the Throne’ (ayat al-kursi) after every prescribed prayer, there will be nothing standing between him and his entry into Paradise but death.”
Source: al-Mu’jam al-Kabīr 7406
JazakAllah Khair
Jazakallah khairan
Rahmatullaahi alayhi
JazzakAllahu hair sheikh.
We are blessed to have you 🕋☝️
Great sheik may Allah reward him
Some imams dont even say aameen after surah alfatiha. Maybe they say it quitely which is not right. I have realised this mainly amongst the asian community.
Amin
السلام عليكم و بركاته ! you are absolutely correct !
ما شاء الله
This is not about saying "Ameen" out load. It is about not preceding imam.
This happens very often, I was ignorant of the fact until I stumbled on to a video about it and haven't done it since Alhamdulilah. I even gave advice to a brother who was doing it, It's very common and should be talked about more.
@@Aismail96 Did you not learn your quran and salah from a teacher ?
@@halalmeatshophk : Teacher who taught the Men with Pen, ALLAH Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala is the Only teacher.
@preeti chatrath Can you elaborate your question? How to you define Before the imam or After ?
@preeti chatrath u should not precede the imam in any circumstances.
Waw wellahi I have never heard of this Hadith may allahi rewarde them with hasnate
Wallahi this os so true most of us do this in the masajid! And in that noise u cant even hear imam properly!
Wallah I had no idea
I learned this very recently as well my brother. I have been told that mashaAllah that brothers in Indonesia have very well mastered (saying ameen only once the imam has finished saying ameen)
@@khabibisweg148 that's great
Subhanallah
Lovely clip, insha'Allah keep this up akhi, may Allah accept your works and keep us sincere Ameen
Ameen
It's about time I subbed, lol.
This is so true
Realised after hearing this. Indeed it it true
It isn't just about saying Ameen to Al-Fathiha. We're not supposed to lead the imam in any action of salah and should wait for the imam to complete it before even starting it (imam has to place his head in the floor for sujood before us even bend from standing etc..)
absolutely, this is another huge concern that many ppl do in the masajid unfortunately
I only been to turkish mosque and we all say it after the imam loudly specially in turkey . Even when im in germany turkish mosque its normal and when i read the comments i am shocked i thought its everywhere like this thats why i needed time to understand what imam albani says subhanallah
My teacher is among the people who follow the salaf, he teached me this also. I'm very glad that I met him so that I could know more about the proper Islam. 😢
Your teacher is among the who?
@@libyanjokkaI was mistaken, I should've said "among the people who follow the salaf (People of the past that are close to the Prophet)"
aamin,,,,
Allahu Akbar i never knew this
Ok please clear me that we have to wait for the imam to recite ameen than we have to recite ameen after him ?
Slaam Truly that is Unacceptable you have to follow the Imam in my Masajid we always say Ameen after the Imam i have never heard anyone say it before the Imam not even once May ALLAH AZAWAJAL Guide us all to the TRUTH Ameen suma AMEEN 😊🤲🕋❤
It's the same for all parts of the prayer. Some people are trying to race the imam for what? They will still finish the salah 1 second after the imam does, or do they intend to do tasleem early? It doesn't make sense to rush against the imam at all when you think about it
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I always trying wait imam said ameen, but Manny of jamaah said ameen together with the iman.
Indeed the Imam is leading the prayers, so follow his steps,do whatever he does not at the same time as him but after him. Imam= Leader..who leads the Salah,let him utter Amine first then you follow.
What if the Imam doesn't say Ameen at all?
"When the imam says Ameen, then say Ameen"
Wow. That means all the mosque i always go to is doing it wrong? I think my entire life i always say Ameen after imam finish al fatihah never caring if the Imam says it or not. Most of the time the entire Masjid will say Ameen along with the Imam. There was never a case where the Imam finish saying "Ameen" then the entire Masjid follow suit. So according to the hadith above, its wrong to say Ameem along with the Imam? We're suppose to wait till Imam finish Ameen before we say Ameen?
This is very scary. Come to think of it, almost all the Muslims pray like this. Imagine if all of our Salaat are not answered because of this negligence. Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'un.
It’s not scary there is a valid difference of opinion in this matter. Salafis do not understand usool al fiqh
@@Islam.is.the.truth.. It's always best not to generalise brother. Yes, the majority haven't had the opportunity to study usool fiqh and probably not even fiqh but there are most definitely some that understand the differences.
@@Islam.is.the.truth.. it seems like there's a difference of opinion with just about every matter in our religion (omg ). But i can't argue since I'm not a scholar.
@@nasral-haqq7933 most don’t though. They don’t understand difference of opinions between the mujtahidoon of the past and always cause problems in other masajid
@@tahirshika it’s not that deep if you follow one opinion just respect your brother who’s following another valid opinion from the mujtahidoon of the past
Can you not upload full lectures?
2:15 yuh, I heard of this one, too.
In India, sadly the imams say Ameen silently
Imams here don't say ameen at all at least not outloud. You could say "well you can't hear it because you all say it at once". No just last night there were 6 or 7 of us and we were quiet and the imam never said "ameen". Strange. Could be one of many bidas that people practice here in Bosnia.
Brother there is a legitimate scholarly difference on the issue
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: Is it permissible not to say Aameen out loud and not to raise the hands?
He replied:
Yes, if he is among people who do not raise their hands and do not say Aameen out loud. In that case it is better not to do that, so as to soften their hearts, and so that he will be able to call them to goodness, and to teach them and guide them, and so that it will be possible to reconcile between them. If he differs from them, they will be put off by that, because they think that this is the teaching of the religion; they think that one should not raise the hands except at the takbeerat al-ihraam [the takbeer at the beginning of the prayer]. They think that this is the teaching of the religion, and that is how they were taught by their scholars.
The same applies to not saying Aameen out loud, which is a well-known difference of opinion among the scholars; some of them say that it should be said out loud, and some say that it should not be said out loud. In the hadiths it says that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) raised his voice when saying that, and in other hadiths it says that he kept his voice low.
Even though the correct view is that it is mustahabb to say Aameen out loud, and that it is something that is recommended, not doing so is no more than omitting something recommended (mustahabb). So a believer may refrain from doing something that is recommended if doing it will lead to division, disputes and trouble. In fact [in that case] the believer should refrain from doing the thing that is recommended. With regard to one who seeks to call people to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, if his refraining from doing it will serve a greater purpose then he should refrain from doing it. An example of that is when the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) chose not to demolish the Ka‘bah and rebuild it on the foundations of Ibraaheem; he said: “…because Quraysh have only recently left disbelief behind.” Hence he left it as it was, and did not change it, because that served the public interest. End quote.
www.binbaz.org.sa/mat/4438
The Imams do say Ameen, you just don't hear it because they intentionally conceal it because of a difference in opinion which is an accepted difference between AhlusSunnah. Don't brand others as mubtad'is else you are the biggest jahil. Many people in Bosnia were ruled by the Ottomans and the Ottomans were Hanafis, and so many people from Bosnia practice the madhab of Imam Abu Hanifa. And doing such is no problem and should not be a source of hatred in your heart. Learn to accept the different opinions else you will just think you are going to Jannah and the rest are on their way to the Fire.
@@saifulllah4518 Brother this fatwa has nothing to do with the topic so stop spamming it under every comment.
@@bobbyjones8091 actually, in this case it has to do with the comment. The commenter said, he thinks it might be a bida not to say Ameen out loud, so Brother Saif gave him evidence that there is a difference of opinion regarding saying Ameen out loud or silently.
But imaam in my masjid never say ameen out loud or say it so it is barely audible. so what should i do?
What if we can’t hear the Imam say aameen? What do we do then??
So do we say ameen with the imam or after the imam has completed saying ameen?
What about some people follow the hanifa madhab and they don’t say Ameen loudly.
In our masjid, the imam doesn't say Ameen after finishing the Fatiha. What are we supposed to do in that case?
أخبره بأن يقول آمين بعد الفاتحة
Unfortunately I can't hear Ameen from any Imam in many mosques in Bangladesh. I wait and then say Ameen myself,even out of 1/2 hundreds of people I can only hear my voice sometimes. 😢
Yes, I don't like praying in Bangladeshi mosques. I don't understand why do they reject clear and Sahih Ahadith.
@@bongobongoland4354Did it not occur to you that they might also have evidence that ameen is said quietly?
@@bongobongoland4354its not that bengalis reject it, its that many are ignorant of it ! proper sunnah and ahadith following people is rare in bangladesh
Our imam doesn’t even say ameen and if he does he doesn’t say it
Loud.
Everyone waits for the pause and it before the imam like a song practise lol 😬
so we say amen after he finishes or while he's saying it?
What about Hanafi Fiqh? The Imam doesn't say Aameen aloud. Yet the Musalees do say Aameen softly. Is that fine?
What if the Imam doesn't say Ameen? Are we allowed to say Ameen ?
AHLIHADEES who claim to be thaykaydaar of QURAN and Hadees should learn from this great Muhadith of century
woah? I also pray in the Masjid full of Ahlul Hadith, they also say Ameen after the Imam. You cannot target the whole group brother, try to control your tongue!
Not a single hadith mentions aamin bil jehr behind imam
as-salamu3alaykum I just wanna say, sheykh al albani was very strict about his picture being taken, his picture did not even appear on his passport, but he had his fingerprints on it instead, as he believed pictures are haram. so please as a respect towards him, would you mind removing his face off, shukran.
Waa alaikum assalam warahmathullahi wabarakathuhu may Allah bless you for this goodwill and great concern towards him my brother, Barakallahu feekum
@@abthulbasith4346 wafik baarakallah
wa alaikumussalam akhee.jazakallahu khairan you r right 2:15
Jezake Allah kheyr Akhiy, We love our Sheikh, We should respect his speech.
السلام عليكم
Just wanted to say,
The stock videos are beautiful, but they are distractive
Oh yer this plenty of folks saying ameen so it’s not a lost sunnah in any stretch of the imagination although we can’t say if it culminates at the same time as imam so can’t say if we are getting jannah or not we don’t ilm ul ghaib
Perhaps you misunderstood the Shaykh brother. He wasn't talking about just saying Ameen. The point of the video was to say Ameen with the Imam which most people don't do. So, it is actually a lost Sunnah.
As for one's sins being forgiven we can say that IN GENERAL one's sins are forgiven if his ameen coincides with that of the Angels since we were informed by the Prophet ﷺ
Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet ﷺ, said, “When the Imam says ameen, then say ameen as the angels say ameen. Whoever says ameen when the angels do, his previous sins will be forgiven.” [al-Bukhārī 6039]
As for SPECIFYING that an individual has had his sins forgiven then of course we don't know this as it is knowledge of the unseen.
@@mohamedkareem7075 Salam alaykum wrbkt brother, JazakAllah khair
I appreciate this 😊
@@AS-nz2lt و إياك
My dear brother Its wonderful to see that we can advise each other and not feel as if it's an attack or refutation.
I think some of these clips one has to focus on and it's easy to miss the point as they are short although Allahumma baarik very beneficial.
May Allah forgive us all and give us all the tawfiq to see the truth and follow it.
Ameen
ASA so I don’t understand the ruling here. Do we say aameen after the imaan says it, or after he starts saying it, and then do we finish saying aameen at the same time as the imaam (or after)? There are basically 4 options here. Multiply by two if considering if we can end the aameen before imaam finishes his aameen…
Should we start saying ameen after imam completes the ameen or with him right after he starts saying ameen? Should the imam complete the ameen before we start? Please reply?
Salam Alaikum akhi!
Once the imaam says it, you say it after the imaam because he is leading the prayer same way you say allahu Akbar after he says it when beginning the prayer and Allah knows best.
What about when the imam doesnt say ameen loud? Or you cant hear the exact moment due the congregation ameen being so loud
Shaykh saying to say ameen louder yes it is a sunnah but its on that time when sahaba become new muslims after that this louder ameen ends by the imam but its also ok by imam shaafih bot the biggest imam abu hanifah told us to not to say loder ameen so both are ok
The hanafi madhab imam don't say loud and so do the followers. It is mentioned silently. So we don't know if he said it before of not. Which is problematic
Im sorry I didn’t read the part correctly my apologies
In Hanafi madhab, the Imams don't say Ameen. In such cases, we're allowed to say Ameen even if the imam doesn't.
@private account They say it silently. However, we can say it loudly behind the imam.
Yes. Its disliked for those praying behind the Imam to recite Ameen loudly in the Hanafi mathab
That's an exception and the exception does not make the rule, but to your point it's fair.
Yeah, I had the same doubt. The imam in my masjid is Hanafi. So, he doesn't say Aameen out loud. So, how would I know when he is finished saying it.
@@armagaan007 When he concludes reciting Fatiha, you say Ameen. It's for loud prayers. In silent prayers, you don't have to say Ameen loudly.
Our imams don't say Ameen either 90 percent of the time
Please confirm from your respective Islamic cleriks, before accusing them of misleading people.
Are you sure of the translation on 2:22 ?
I'm still waiting to pray at a mosque where people follow this sunnah. Imam is the bus driver, so how can you get to the destination before him when you are riding on his bus?
Advise him.
Allah's messenger sws said the example of one who preceeds imam in prayer is like of donkey.
What if the imam doesn't say ameen out loud?
You can say it loud
@@knightwaynes2160 When to say? After imam finishes Ameen? Or along when the imam is silently or verbally saying?
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on saying Aameen out loud, and whether it is proven from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) that he said Aameen quietly in a prayer in which the recitation is done out loud?
He replied: Saying Aameen out loud in a prayer in which the recitation is done out loud is Sunnah, because it is connected to the recitation, and concerning that there are hadiths from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) which say that he used to say it so loud that the mosque was filled with the voices of the congregation saying it out loud. And because the one who is praying behind the imam says Aameen to his imam’s recitation which he did out loud. The supplication is said out loud, so it is appropriate for the Aameen to be said out loud too. This is from a theoretical point of view.
However, this issue should not be a cause of stirring up argument and resentment among the Muslims, for that is not the way of our righteous predecessors (as-salaf as-saalih).The salaf differed concerning such matters, but they did not regard one another as misguided because of that. So if a person raises his voice when saying Aameen in a prayer in which recitation is done out loud, that is good and is preferable.
End quote from Majmoo‘ Fataawa ash-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (13/140).
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: Is it permissible not to say Aameen out loud and not to raise the hands?
He replied:
Yes, if he is among people who do not raise their hands and do not say Aameen out loud. In that case it is better not to do that, so as to soften their hearts, and so that he will be able to call them to goodness, and to teach them and guide them, and so that it will be possible to reconcile between them. If he differs from them, they will be put off by that, because they think that this is the teaching of the religion; they think that one should not raise the hands except at the takbeerat al-ihraam [the takbeer at the beginning of the prayer]. They think that this is the teaching of the religion, and that is how they were taught by their scholars.
The same applies to not saying Aameen out loud, which is a well-known difference of opinion among the scholars; some of them say that it should be said out loud, and some say that it should not be said out loud. In the hadiths it says that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) raised his voice when saying that, and in other hadiths it says that he kept his voice low.
Even though the correct view is that it is mustahabb to say Aameen out loud, and that it is something that is recommended, not doing so is no more than omitting something recommended (mustahabb). So a believer may refrain from doing something that is recommended if doing it will lead to division, disputes and trouble. In fact [in that case] the believer should refrain from doing the thing that is recommended. With regard to one who seeks to call people to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, if his refraining from doing it will serve a greater purpose then he should refrain from doing it. An example of that is when the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) chose not to demolish the Ka‘bah and rebuild it on the foundations of Ibraaheem; he said: “…because Quraysh have only recently left disbelief behind.” Hence he left it as it was, and did not change it, because that served the public interest. End quote.
www.binbaz.org.sa/mat/4438
@@knightwaynes2160 Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on saying Aameen out loud, and whether it is proven from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) that he said Aameen quietly in a prayer in which the recitation is done out loud?
He replied: Saying Aameen out loud in a prayer in which the recitation is done out loud is Sunnah, because it is connected to the recitation, and concerning that there are hadiths from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) which say that he used to say it so loud that the mosque was filled with the voices of the congregation saying it out loud. And because the one who is praying behind the imam says Aameen to his imam’s recitation which he did out loud. The supplication is said out loud, so it is appropriate for the Aameen to be said out loud too. This is from a theoretical point of view.
However, this issue should not be a cause of stirring up argument and resentment among the Muslims, for that is not the way of our righteous predecessors (as-salaf as-saalih).The salaf differed concerning such matters, but they did not regard one another as misguided because of that. So if a person raises his voice when saying Aameen in a prayer in which recitation is done out loud, that is good and is preferable.
End quote from Majmoo‘ Fataawa ash-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (13/140).
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: Is it permissible not to say Aameen out loud and not to raise the hands?
He replied:
Yes, if he is among people who do not raise their hands and do not say Aameen out loud. In that case it is better not to do that, so as to soften their hearts, and so that he will be able to call them to goodness, and to teach them and guide them, and so that it will be possible to reconcile between them. If he differs from them, they will be put off by that, because they think that this is the teaching of the religion; they think that one should not raise the hands except at the takbeerat al-ihraam [the takbeer at the beginning of the prayer]. They think that this is the teaching of the religion, and that is how they were taught by their scholars.
The same applies to not saying Aameen out loud, which is a well-known difference of opinion among the scholars; some of them say that it should be said out loud, and some say that it should not be said out loud. In the hadiths it says that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) raised his voice when saying that, and in other hadiths it says that he kept his voice low.
Even though the correct view is that it is mustahabb to say Aameen out loud, and that it is something that is recommended, not doing so is no more than omitting something recommended (mustahabb). So a believer may refrain from doing something that is recommended if doing it will lead to division, disputes and trouble. In fact [in that case] the believer should refrain from doing the thing that is recommended. With regard to one who seeks to call people to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, if his refraining from doing it will serve a greater purpose then he should refrain from doing it. An example of that is when the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) chose not to demolish the Ka‘bah and rebuild it on the foundations of Ibraaheem; he said: “…because Quraysh have only recently left disbelief behind.” Hence he left it as it was, and did not change it, because that served the public interest. End quote.
www.binbaz.org.sa/mat/4438
@@nazmulhuda3262. the most authentic opinion is that you can say it along the imam when the imam finishes his fatiha and if the imam doesn't say it loudly you can say it loudly. Follow the sunnah wherever you are, don't listen to people
And we have brothers from indopak who doesn't say aameen loudly. They don't stand joining the feet, even you pull them they repel like magnet.
Very strange...not sure who's sunna they're following.
touching feet is not sunnah, but misinterpretation of the Hadith.
In the masjid that i go to "Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaameeeeeen" is said instead of just "Ameen"". Does anyone know which of the 2 is more correct?
Second one!
You can say it like that Aameen!
@@imamxx._ Alright jazakallah khair, what about the ones saying "Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaameeeeeeen"?
@@caustic8455 they are wrong, you can advice them secretly. If they're ignorant, then KNOW that you've done your job!
@@imamxx._ alright that would be too many people to correct since almost everyone in the jummah prayer says it like that but khair inshallah. Barakallahu feek
@@caustic8455 Wa Iyyaak ya Akhi!
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You are missing the point here the Shayk is warning people who say ameen to say it after the Iman not before.
Who is the reciter at the beginning?
Shaykh Hosary
The imaam does not say ameen, or maybe he say it silently but I am not aware, can someone please explain what is he trying to say in the video ? The subtitles doesn't make much sense to me I am confused.
Once the imam is finished reciting Surah Al Fatiha we (followers) say Ameen AFTER the imam
When the Imam is reciting surat Al-Fatiha in prayer, the followers ( those who pray behind him) should not say Amin until he actually finishes! because some say amin and proceed him while he is still on the last word (amin ). so one needs to be patient until he actually finishes completely. so Imam first says amin and then the followers.!
@@entp4830 Did he explain the reason why this is important?
@@NonFungibleApe yes, he says that you get a great reward from it, and that is all your previous sins are forgiven . also it's an authentic Hadith.
@@B_muslim you say ameen with imam. As soon s you hear imam saying aaa you starts saying ameen.
in my country the imam does not even say Ameen.
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: Is it permissible not to say Aameen out loud and not to raise the hands?
He replied:
Yes, if he is among people who do not raise their hands and do not say Aameen out loud. In that case it is better not to do that, so as to soften their hearts, and so that he will be able to call them to goodness, and to teach them and guide them, and so that it will be possible to reconcile between them. If he differs from them, they will be put off by that, because they think that this is the teaching of the religion; they think that one should not raise the hands except at the takbeerat al-ihraam [the takbeer at the beginning of the prayer]. They think that this is the teaching of the religion, and that is how they were taught by their scholars.
The same applies to not saying Aameen out loud, which is a well-known difference of opinion among the scholars; some of them say that it should be said out loud, and some say that it should not be said out loud. In the hadiths it says that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) raised his voice when saying that, and in other hadiths it says that he kept his voice low.
Even though the correct view is that it is mustahabb to say Aameen out loud, and that it is something that is recommended, not doing so is no more than omitting something recommended (mustahabb). So a believer may refrain from doing something that is recommended if doing it will lead to division, disputes and trouble. In fact [in that case] the believer should refrain from doing the thing that is recommended. With regard to one who seeks to call people to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, if his refraining from doing it will serve a greater purpose then he should refrain from doing it. An example of that is when the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) chose not to demolish the Ka‘bah and rebuild it on the foundations of Ibraaheem; he said: “…because Quraysh have only recently left disbelief behind.” Hence he left it as it was, and did not change it, because that served the public interest. End quote.
www.binbaz.org.sa/mat/4438
What if the imam doesn't know that he is supposed to say ameen?
Generally brother, if the one who is put as an Imam should know the basic fiqh of prayer
He has the excuse of Ignorance
@@maalikserebryakov how is it the excuse of ignorance when he is seeing people do it, there are clear hadiths about it but still not doing it.. Probably it's an excuse of 'madhhab'
@@sHaKe2702
Brother there is a legitimate scholarly opinion on the issue
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: Is it permissible not to say Aameen out loud and not to raise the hands?
He replied:
Yes, if he is among people who do not raise their hands and do not say Aameen out loud. In that case it is better not to do that, so as to soften their hearts, and so that he will be able to call them to goodness, and to teach them and guide them, and so that it will be possible to reconcile between them. If he differs from them, they will be put off by that, because they think that this is the teaching of the religion; they think that one should not raise the hands except at the takbeerat al-ihraam [the takbeer at the beginning of the prayer]. They think that this is the teaching of the religion, and that is how they were taught by their scholars.
The same applies to not saying Aameen out loud, which is a well-known difference of opinion among the scholars; some of them say that it should be said out loud, and some say that it should not be said out loud. In the hadiths it says that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) raised his voice when saying that, and in other hadiths it says that he kept his voice low.
Even though the correct view is that it is mustahabb to say Aameen out loud, and that it is something that is recommended, not doing so is no more than omitting something recommended (mustahabb). So a believer may refrain from doing something that is recommended if doing it will lead to division, disputes and trouble. In fact [in that case] the believer should refrain from doing the thing that is recommended. With regard to one who seeks to call people to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, if his refraining from doing it will serve a greater purpose then he should refrain from doing it. An example of that is when the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) chose not to demolish the Ka‘bah and rebuild it on the foundations of Ibraaheem; he said: “…because Quraysh have only recently left disbelief behind.” Hence he left it as it was, and did not change it, because that served the public interest. End quote.
www.binbaz.org.sa/mat/4438
@@saifulllah4518 جزاك الله for this!
السلام عليكم ! i don't think it is a forgotten sunnah or forgetfulness, i think it is just pure laziness !!!
the Imam in our mosque doesn't say ameen, so what should I do regarding this?
Hanafis say it very silently, so it's better to wait for A second, then say Ameen!
So we say ameen while the imam is saying it or after?
After
After the have finished saying Ameen
We as a jamahh we say ameen.
کسی ایک حدیث میں مقتدی کی آمین بالجہر کا زکر نہی ہے
When I lived in turkey, almost nobody said Ameen. Sometimes I was the only one and sometimes a few would join me. Certainly not the Imams.
Your prayer is invalid behind a Mushrik imam. I don't recommend to pray behind ditib/diyanet imam. As a rule, these are civil servants from the state who serve their tawağit.
@@dienerallahs1419 Alhamdulillah I left turkey after the r3gime expelled me when the immigration official as asked me why we came there and I stated, "to make Hijrah". She became very upset and told us we have 10 days to leave the country. When our flight took 16 days, the immigration cop at the airport told us when we return, we'll be fined for overstaying our visa. I responded, "We're never coming back"!
Aameen should be silent as ALLAH says Call ALLAH silently..
Make sure your thought doesn't counterfeit an important Sunnah:
Hadith No: 855
From: Sunan Ibn Majah. Chapter 7, The Chapters of Establishing the Prayer and the Sunnah Regarding Them
Narrated/Authority of Abdul Jabbar bin Wail (ra)
that his father (ra) said: "I performed prayer with the Prophet (saw) and when he said: 'Nor of those who went astray',[1:7] he said Ameen and we heard that from him." (Sahih)
Hadith No: 856
From: Sunan Ibn Majah. Chapter 7, The Chapters of Establishing the Prayer and the Sunnah Regarding Them
Narrated/Authority of Aisha (ra)
that the Prophet (saw) said: "The Jews do not envy you for anything more than they envy you for the Salam and (saying) 'Ameen'." (Sahih)
JazakaAllah.
@@sHaKe2702 All of these lound Aamen were from the Prophet who was the imam, not from the people behind him.
There is not a single hadith mentioning loud aamen by the people behind the Imam..
Okay then what about this:
Hadith No: 831
From: Sunan An-Nasai. Chapter 10, The Book of Leading the Prayer (Al-Imamah)
Narrated/Authority of Hittan bin Abdullah
"Abu Musa led us in prayer and when he was sitting, a man from among the people entered and said: 'Prayer is based on righteousness and is always mentioned alongside Zakah (in the Quran).' When Abu Musa had said the Salam, he turned to the people and said: 'Which of you spoke these words?' The people kept quiet. Then he said: 'O Hittan, perhaps you said it?' He said: 'No, but I was afraid that you would rebuke me for it.' He said: 'The Messenger of Allah (saw) taught us our prayer and Sunnah prayers, and he said: The Imam is appointed to be followed, so when he says the Takbir, say the Takbir, when he says "Not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger, nor of those who went astray," [1:7] say Ameen, and Allah will respond to you; when he goes from bowing and rises up and says, 'Sami Allahu liman hamidah (Allah hears those who praise Him), say 'Rabbana lakal-hamd (Our Lord, to You be praise),' and Allah will hear you; when he prostrates, prostrate, and when he sits up, sit up. The Imam should prostrate before you do and sit up before you do.' The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: 'This makes up for that.'"* (Sahih) *Because the Imam bowed or prostrated before you, so you missed a moment of bowing or prostrating, but if you rise up after him, it will make up for that.
@@sHaKe2702 where is loud Aamen of the the people following the Imam mentioned?🤔🤔🤔
@@Rizwanmadni1 I understand your point, fair.
Wa’il ibn Hujr reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, would recite the verse, “Not those who have earned anger, nor who go astray,” (1:7) and he would say with a raised voice, “Ameen.”
Al-Tirmidhi said, “More than one of the people of knowledge among the companions of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, their successors, and those after them narrated that a man should raise his voice to say ameen and he should not make it silent. Such was said by Al-Shafi’i, Ahmad, and Ishaq.”
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 248
The Hanafi fiqh followers don’t say Ameen loudly, but do they don’t do that? Is it because they are against Allah & is prophet? Is this Imam of this school of thought the only knowledge & learned Imam in this whole world? Are the rest of world Imam just follow what they like?
The false opinion of a scholar should not interest you if the prophet told it differently
@@dienerallahs1419 so the scholars who are saying to raise hands heard it by the prophet saying this? Or the hanafi didn't hear the prophet saying this? Both sides have their justification from quran sunna, so are both sides on the correct path or only one?
Remove his (r.h) pic as he was strict about his pic