Trying to understand the rapture? Paul spells it out for us. 2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, ...by our gathering together unto Him.... 2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. ...day of Christ... 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; ...that day (when we are gathered to Jesus/day of Christ/rapture)... will not arrive until the apostasy happens and the man of sin be revealed. He even warns you not to let any man deceive you in these matters. Peace, PTT
The rapture has been confused with the resurrection.There is no rapture, but there will be a resurrection. Watch my series, "Caught Up." As for great tribulation, we've been going through it since the days of the early church. It is not an event, but an ongoing process that has increased in intensity since it began in the first century (birth pains; Matt. 24:8). Through much tribulation we enter the kingdom of God (Acts 14:22). Despite tradition's take, I believe we are passing through the sixth seal now, which reflects the understanding of the "birth pains" or tribulation, which as stated, began in the first century CE.
@@arneedlund8512 Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; The sun/moon going dark shown to us in Matt 24 are the same signs we see at the 6th seal. Matt 24:29 tells us this occurs immediately after the tribulation. So we are raptured after the tribulation. The rapture is nothing more than the second coming of Christ. They are the same event. Peace, PTT
@@pretribtruth I belive the tribulation of THOSE days is the birth pain tribulation and the great tribulations comes then or after the dark. If we get rapture the moment it's get dark or soon after I don't know. Other way I belive we have light some way. Maybe the seals are birthpains and then the child is born it's get dark and when the child has been raptured the great tribulation start same moment or at laters 3 days dark time later.
JESUS birthed forth the New Creation through HIS Sufferings and Death at the Cross. HE became the Maker of the New Man in which GOD has made HIM to be the Head, and all HIS Disciples to be the Body. Eph.4:12-16 ; 1:22-23 Since the Head of the Body (Captain of Salvation) HIMSELF went through tribulation, so also the Members of the Body must go through tribulation before partaking of the Hope of the Resurrection. Heb.5:7-9 ; 2:9-10 Acts.14:22
Do you belive we will be raptured whith the 6 seal, before the great tribulations 7 years?
Trying to understand the rapture? Paul spells it out for us.
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
...by our gathering together unto Him....
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
...day of Christ...
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
...that day (when we are gathered to Jesus/day of Christ/rapture)... will not arrive until the apostasy happens and the man of sin be revealed. He even warns you not to let any man deceive you in these matters.
Peace,
PTT
@@pretribtruth I think I understand that. But was you ansered my questen?
The rapture has been confused with the resurrection.There is no rapture, but there will be a resurrection. Watch my series, "Caught Up." As for great tribulation, we've been going through it since the days of the early church. It is not an event, but an ongoing process that has increased in intensity since it began in the first century (birth pains; Matt. 24:8). Through much tribulation we enter the kingdom of God (Acts 14:22). Despite tradition's take, I believe we are passing through the sixth seal now, which reflects the understanding of the "birth pains" or tribulation, which as stated, began in the first century CE.
@@arneedlund8512
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
The sun/moon going dark shown to us in Matt 24 are the same signs we see at the 6th seal. Matt 24:29 tells us this occurs immediately after the tribulation. So we are raptured after the tribulation. The rapture is nothing more than the second coming of Christ. They are the same event.
Peace,
PTT
@@pretribtruth I belive the tribulation of THOSE days is the birth pain tribulation and the great tribulations comes then or after the dark.
If we get rapture the moment it's get dark or soon after I don't know. Other way I belive we have light some way.
Maybe the seals are birthpains and then the child is born it's get dark and when the child has been raptured the great tribulation start same moment or at laters 3 days dark time later.
JESUS birthed forth the New Creation through HIS Sufferings and Death at the Cross. HE became the Maker of the New Man in which GOD has made HIM to be the Head, and all HIS Disciples to be the Body. Eph.4:12-16 ; 1:22-23
Since the Head of the Body (Captain of Salvation) HIMSELF went through tribulation, so also the Members of the Body must go through tribulation before partaking of the Hope of the Resurrection. Heb.5:7-9 ; 2:9-10 Acts.14:22
Well put... thank you!