H M S Repulse Hood Nelson and Rodney at Sea
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- Found this short clip of film spliced on the end of a home movie in my collection of 8mm cine films and thought I should share it, Shows H.M.S. Repulse/Hood/Nelson and Rodney under sail in heavy seas not sure of the date.
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Our brave men aboard those ships during the war. Merchant seamen just as equal in my eyes. God rest their souls.
Hear, hear.
Late uncle of mine was too sickly to be excepted into the army or navy so he joined the merchant Marines. He had his ships blown out from underneath him twice. That they didn’t receive the wartime honors and benefits they absolutely deserved is a stain on our nation. Almost all of the veterans of World War II were dead before granted they are grateful recognition
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Totally agree they took the brunt of the Battle of the Atlantic and suffered the most casualties, just to brushed aside once the war was over. Shameful part of our past, considering the incredible job Canada did in WW2.
@@iliketrains6235 You're giving a bad shade to trainlovers, my sorry specimen.
Amazing images. The Hood was sometimes called “The Largest Submarine Afloat” because the ship was so wet across the bow in heavy seas.
Even in moderate weather there was always water swilling about below. Many of the crew were invalided out with TB. Not a good ship overall!
Ha! Was just thinking if she rode any lower in the water she'd need to be fit with a periscppe-
Apparently the fore deck and bow on these warships is low so the main guns can fire straight ahead without taking the Bow off the ship. Read that on another post.
@@anthonywilson4873 I have read this as well. The Iowa class ships have a rising bow to prevent swells, the designers decided sacrificing the ability to fire straight on was an equitable trade off for better handing characteristics. The irony is that the Iowa’s are also still considerably wet ships due to the abnormally long length of the forecastle area. That feature was necessary to get a 50,000 ton ship through the Panama Canal.
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I saw a youtube clip a few weeks back featuring the project manager (curator?) of one of the Iowa's, which is now a museum ship.
He said that although she had a long rising sheer line to the bow, she was still pretty wet as the entry had been made very fine indeed to enable the high top speed (32 knots plus?). As a result she had very little buoyancy when plunging into heavy seas.
As to the RN ships in this clip, they look very wet indeed, and it seems a great shame that the only decent sea-boat of all the capital ships was the Vanguard, which was completed at the very end (or even after) the battleship era.
They seem to have taken a very long time to learn lessons...
These help one understand why it took so long for people to understand that some cheap little flying gizmo of cloth and baling wire could be such a vital threat to these monsters of the seas.
It cost 1 Battlecruiser and 1 battleship
@@soumadelezo4867 A little more, one thinks...but there were still a lot of people who believed in the big statement of marine power as defined by these massive, costly gun-carriers, although their day was over
I guess this is what they mean by "Taking it green across the bow". WOW!
My father served on H M S Rodney during WW2.
Was he with her for the sinking of the Bismarck?
@@donalddemo My father did not talk very much about his war service.
@@billhurley9405 Neither did mine. He was a C 47 flight engineer. I do remember him telling me the worst part of the war was flying the wounded back to England
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My Grandad served the whole war on Hms Rodney ..that looked very rough sea
Paulfastbikes my uncle also served on the Rodney, he got the chance to go up on deck to watch the Bismarck slip under the waves.
My great granda served on the Rodney too, I'm unsure of the exact dates however it was late 30s and early 40s.
@@shooter591 Rodney pulverised Bismark, without taking a single hit, as I am sure you know. The captain of Rodney steered in the direction of each incoming broadside from Bismark, so that it had no opportunity to gauge the range and bearing of Rodney.
Evidently, the broadsides on Rodney created so much shock that it shook the decking free during the battle.
Your uncle and his crew were brave men.
Glynn Wright do you think that the continues broadsides caused the panting that Rodney suffered from, by the way good concise reply, thx 😀
@@shooter591 I am no expert, but from what I have read the panting was a continual problem that was probably caused by compromising the design to meet the requirements of the Washington Naval Treaty.
Rodney was initially designed to be significantly larger with a more conventional turret layout, but was forced to adopt the three forward gun turret layout to stay within the weight limits enforced by the treaty. That was also a factor in its relatively low speed.
The compromises made impaired the initial efficiency of the main guns which were subsequently modified to put back those elements that had been eliminated to save weight. By all accounts, maintenance was a bit of nightmare due to this string of modifications made during the 20s and 30s.
It is fortunate that the defects had been identified and rectified before she encountered Bismark.
Now we know why some of the later on warships bows were raised up more to protect the front turrets and guns in this sort of rough seas? My dad was a sonar operator on a Corvette class hunting Japanese subs in the Pacific and those Corvettes were the fastest ships in the Royal Navy racing around at 35 Knots that's why they earned the nick name " Gray Hounds of the Sea" And boy imagine how bad they felt on board in stormy sea in a long thin ship racing along like a rocket! He said everyone was sea sick all the time even the Captain. allot of the waves were 3 times higher than the ship. These Sailors all were so brave and deserve total respect for going through such hell and still fighting on top against as in my dad's case very determined Japanese warriors and Sailors.
Colin, I think your Dad must have been on destroyers if they were racing around at 35 knots. The corvettes could only manage 16 knots not much faster than the merchant ships they escorted across the Atlantic in WW2. The C class destroyers were the Grey hounds of the fleet.
@@patlee6 - but the C-Class was transfered to Canada in 1939 already
Being on a Corvette during a storm, they rolled and pitched very severley. Yikes.
Fastest ship in the RN during WW2 was HMS Manxman or one of her sisters. 40+ knots.
Corvettes were generally used as convoy escorts for anti submarine action in the atlantic. If your dad saw action against the japanese in the Pacific and far east it would have been on a destroyer, going at that speed.
Fabulous what a Navy we had if only we were like that now. Thank you.
If the modern Royal Navy was like the 1939 Royal Navy a single Russian frigate or American destroyer can sink the whole Home Fleet in 6 hours alone.
Imagine what you'd have to pay in taxes to afford it. There's reason why you don't have it anymore.
But instead we have ballistic missile submarines with enough firepower to destroy a continent.
Well all we have to do is get the empire back to finance it. I'm sure all those countries won't mind re-joining and handing over their taxes to pay for it.
@@Makeyourselfbig I bet some of them would.
Nelson and Rodney, perhaps the easiest battleships to recognize with all main guns forward and their high citadel conning towers.
Repulse, by WWII, could easily be recognized from her sister Renown in that she never got the rebuilt superstructure Renown did.
Hms pow and repulse are now being broken up for there metal I’ve read and the graves of the men being buried all over the place
@@kierenboimufc5940it’s very sad 😔 China is evil
Love seeing them! Wonderful ships and great crews :)
Just a shame nobody thought how in the future people would enjoy seeing film of these Glorious old dinosaurs in their element, magnificent machine already made obsolete by new technologies, but still giving Magnificent service at terrible cost, Brave ships and braver sailors, oh how I wish somebody had had the foresight to preserve one for Britain.
It is hard to imagine there are thousands and thousands of sailors in each one of those ships.
Nelson and Rodney were beasts. If only they were a bit quicker.
Its not top trumps.
@HMS King George V lol
Nothing beats a calm seas pleasure cruise in the N. Atlantic. I bet convoy duty was a lot of fun...on a corvette :)
The corvettes were said "to roll on wet grass". My father, born the year they laid down the Hood, served the entire war on the North Atlantic and Russian convoys.
True but they were extremely stable gun platforms and that was the name of the game back then
Those seas look rough & cold! That’s the last place I’d want to sink. Such brave, young souls
Awesome (in the correct use of the word). Steel dinosaurs, with almost one thousand men and boys battened down below decks (smell the vomit). At this same time my father was plodding the world's oceans in the Merchant Navy. I wonder how much any of them were aware of what was looming just over the horizon?
Kudos for the brave cameraman there. Would not want to be out there on the deck with that weather.
Those deck are well awashed!!
My dad served on the Nelson during the war
Great pictures, easy to forget what these men went through....my father was on destroyers, so those kinds of sea states must have been challenging to say the least...
Ah yes, North Atlantic in winter, remember it well.
Apparently the Hood was a very wet ship and had the highest rate of TB in the whole fleet.
Didnt know about the TB (makes sense though), but it's due to all the extra armour slapped on in construction and in early refits. Same reasons why she's doesn't have any sisters.
Whilst not pleasant for crew, it did make her an extremely stable firing platform, making her guns more accurate than most.
Unfortunately , they never upgraded her fire control, so she was hopelessly outdated by ww2. If they had, early hits on Bismarck may have saved her, but it's impossible to know for sure.
Royal Navy’s largest submarine, after all.
Not a reference to her being sunk, rather to the fact her aft most decks were consistently underwater
Joshua Lynas She deserved a retrofit, the Royal Navy knew that her main deck was badly exposed but didn’t have the time or money to add extra Armour. Sadly a majority of her crew payed the ultimate price for this
Wils The Limit Yeah, at the very least they should have sent Prince of Wales with King George V instead of Hood, that was basically a death sentence
While it’s a more arcadey sort of version of her, the Hood does sail well in World of Warships up at Tier VII.
She turns and accelerates well and has fairly accurate guns; in reality she needed a refit and had lost a couple of knots’ speed.
Her biggest drawback is her sheer size. That’s a very long ship, not at all compact, with much slab-sided nothingness of much value outwardly between her B and X turrets. The machinery deep inside her to give her the speed of a Battlecruiser takes up so much space compared to a Fast Battleship of twenty years later.
She was a very big target, even if the stern was almost submerged due to low freeboard.
Its such a shame we didnt save either Rodney or Nelson for a museum ship! I would love to have my picture taken with all 3-16" turets in the frame! That would have been some picture! Better than any you could get on the iowa! Unfortunatly pots n pans were more important back then!
Just AWSM ..
Grazie from northern Italy.🙏👋👋
The jokes about Hood being the worlds largest submarine make a lot more sense now, bloody thing spent more time underwater than above it.
A floating arsenal that handles the salty icy waters that can unleash 1000lb shells at will with an assortment of smaller AAA flak guns amongst other armorment these were incredible beasts of war only effective if the crew is as hard as the reinforced steel and as cold as the water the vessel displaces coupled with tenacity of attitude as powerful as the shells they calculate to utterly destroy its opponents, these ships show more and protect more then most will ever understand. That war forged the world we know today and the men and women who took part shall never be forgotten
Its easy to sea (sic) why Hood, Nelson and Rodney were the best-armed submarines the Royal Navy ever had.
Excellent thank you.
Brilliant film.
Surprised even at 23kts the Rodney/Nelson was digging the bows into the seas that much.
If Britain was a pacific island and had to contend with the large deep blue Pacific Ocean , all of these warships would have trawler bows like the IJN.
Very good films of these old battlewagons. As impressive as they were it is amazing that a little aeroplane with a bomb, rocket or torpedo could stop them
Its generally took several during the war with good hits to stop a Battleship depending on its class size and tonnage and armour.
I'm not trying to say Battleships and Battlecruisers were better than Carriers, but IJN Musashi took 19 bomb hits and several more torpedos to sink (iirc)
@@commandantteste2859 If i recall corectly, Musashi took 19 torpedoes and 17 bombs, one hell of a pounding.
@@commandantteste2859 Famous name: When the word 'battleship' was raised, metabolisms tended to skyrocket.
Gee, the cameramen were pretty brave!
The ships, the guns, the sea. What power!
Amazing...theres the audio too❗❗❗❗
I bet they “piped” “The upper deck is out of bounds until further notice”!
Two out of four were sunk, the other, scrapped. Which is a better fate for a warship? I know what the crew thinks. Hard to fathom what it was like aboard escorting destroyers.
Such a powerful machines! Amazing! How come Royal Navy went from that to basically a joke?
Nuclear weapons ?
@@stephenjones6500 That did not stop U.S.
@@amedv at the end of ww2 the uk was basically broke so thats why the ships were scrapped vast areas were destroyed by the german bombers unlike the usa. so what little money was available was needed elsewhere. I personally would've loved to have seen warspite or even the kg5 kept as a memorial, maybe berthed where belfast is .
Rough seas! Sure wouldn't want to be on one of the escort Destroyers
I think about the all the time. My grandfather spent WW2 on the destroyer escort USS Eldridge. I cannot imagine being at sea in one.
My father served in the North Atlantic in RCN corvettes, 190' and 1000 tons.
I served part time aboard an aircraft carrier ( I worked in a squadron based on land but attached to the ship). I had the chance to take a tour of a destroyer while docked up in Hawaii. Glad I did, because it really made me appreciate being on a carrier. While I toured the destroyer I noticed many boot prints almost halfway up the bulkheads. Sea sick city!
My dad served aboard an LST .... couldn’t imagine being at sea during heavy weather. :(
It would have been even worse for the escorts, wet cold and miserable on an open bridge. Brrr. A good friend's father served on a little Flower class corvette all through the war as first officer, Royal Navy reserve. He never felt warm or dry until 1945, he absolutely hated it. Emigrated here to Australia to get some sun, lol.
Nelson class with 9 x 16 inch guns :) was second 16" (or more) armed battleship class in world.... after Japanese Ilnj Nagato class with 8x 16 " guns ;) 2 of my fav classes, after KM Bismack class?
Incorrect. The US Maryland class were the second 16" gunned battleships in the world. The Nelson class were the third class to be completed.
Magnificent.
Patrick O'Brien called this "Blue at the Mizzen"
Thankyou
The Hood and the Repulse were unlucky enough to sail with the Prince of Wales, the unluckiest ship in the Royal Navy as far as her consorts were concerned. The Prince of Wales only served six months before she was sunk by the Japanese. The Repulse was sunk alongside of her.
One of the causes of the defeat of PoW and Repulse was the loss of the carrier that was supposed to be attached to them. On its way to the Pacific it his bottom and received damage thus taking out of the force. I probably would have at least allowed the doomed ships a chance to escape what was overwhelming air power.
Well, I think, unfortunately, that if the carrier was there, it would also have been sunk.
@@davidthelander1299 Quite possibly but it might have allowed them to have a larger search area and turn and run if it knew an overwhelming force was on it was. Would have been interesting. Same as Singapore, it wasn't that the myth of the guns only able to fire to the sea the problem was they only had armour piercing shells which don't do anything against advancing ground forces. If all 3 ships had of made it back to Singapore and the British had a different general things might been quite different.
Fairey Fulmars would have been no kind of match against the japanese, so by it's grounding the carrier was merely saved from the fate of two other force Z capital ship. RN fleet air arm got powerful fighter force only by getting decent amount of the wildcats, or Martlets, if you will.
(That does not wipe out the fact that the fleet air arm gained impressive result with it's obsolete torpedo planes relatively early during the war, Taranto raid, Bismarck...)
My dad served in corvettes and he said nothing was ever dry.
What a total waste of money time a lives all these fantastic machines turned out.
Having seen the arseholes of the UK today I bet ALL the men who faught both world wars would have joined the other side.
I have said many times these last few years how disgusted 'the greatest generation' must feel about the current state of the UK and the western (English speaking) world. It does sometimes feel as though it was all for naught. I for one feel very grateful for their sacrifice. Unfortunately it just seems like they only delayed the outcome by 75 years.
@@andrewmacgregor8717 sadly yes
Cool boat
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Bigger the ship is, the less fear the ocean...
Excuse my lack of understanding but why did Battleships train the main guns to port or starboard in heavy weather?
That reduced the ingress of seawater.
Probably also preserved the waterproofing mantles round the base of the gun barrels.
Good eye, mate.
The reason battleship main guns are turned that way in heavy weather is to protect them from being damaged by the waves. American battleships did the same thing during rough seas. If you kept them straight it would damage them. Hitting those waves is like running into a wall , a very hard wall.
During the design process and later refits it was common practice to add as you go. So losing freeboard was common for American and British navies. They never seem to remove anything to compensate for adding on. Plus you need to consider that the Washington Treaty tonnage limits for ship classes caused major problems not sizing ships to carry more powerful weapons and bigger machinery plants. None of these technical issues or political restrictions made these ships good handling vessels.
When I was in the navy I was in seas like that. It is tough on you.
Ask the queen for a thank you, titanic diving crew, on the atlantic Ocean, 1970.
Makes you wonder what the most part of the ship is - the guns or the bilge pumps?
Why some ships had a reputation for being a "wet ship".
Hood really does seem to sit too low in the water. Lovely looking ship though, and a tragic loss, especially for those 1400 men. We'll never know how the planned refit would have affected its fate.
Since it was a freak 1 in a million shot which got her, I doubt the refit would've saved her. So much luck involved in naval battles.
Her fire control really should have been upgraded earlier. If it were, that may have saved her. Or if PoW had working turrets, she'd have been in front and taken the brunt of the damage, as well as suppressing Bismarck.
She sits low in the water due to her being designed as a battlecruiser, but built as a fast battlship. She had a good amount of armour for 1920s standards and sitting low in the water had the unintended benefit of making her a very stable firing platform.
I gave the Hood a refit in my alternative history books! She lives on to lead the British Pacific fleet and onto victory.
It used to be commented it was the navy's biggest submarine as the stern was barely above water in anything but a flat sea
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Adm. Holland made a very grave error in not putting PoW as the lead ship...
flowers only in hindsight. POW wasn't ready for combat so hard to argue she should've taken the lead. Her guns had malfunctions and civvy engineers were aboard.
Unfortunate as it was, I think admiral Holland did as much as he could.
That daft low bow causes far more trouble than it’s worth. There’s no way those guns could be used. In any direction.
No need to take a bath on these ships! Just step outside for a moment!
Cellphone cameras quality were poor back then.
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They hat to save at least one of the battleships?
All good men merchant or royal
Curious, I was sure that these were battleships but here they seem to believe that they're submarines.
I guess the sailors don't have to swab the deck, the North Atlantic did it for them.
Were turrets turned to port and/or starboard in rough seas like that?
I dont think so, mayby for film?
I woud guess they were execising the turret rotation or the turret would sieze up. I understand they used to do this once a day.
I remember reading somewhere that, in heavy seas, it was normal procedure so as to protect the guns shrouds from the tons of seawater rolling up the foredeck.
The gun barrels are turned away from the direction of the wind to protect the bores from incoming seawater. Interesting to see that the barrel covers (tampions) aren't in place, suggesting the ships have been test firing their guns.
@@aCivilServant To me the scene of 2:17 looks like a secondary turret close up? And thus being turned outboard.
Anybody for sardine sandwiches? Found a few racing starboard in the galley!!
Big 7.
The HMS Rodney must have experienced some serious panting in those seas.
@Aussie Pom repulse and renown were heavily modified qe class ships
@Aussie Pom She got the first hits on Bismark, and they were decisive and kept coming. Good old no refit Rodders. Re fits are for girls.
eatthisvr6 repulse and renown were modified revenge class (hms Royal Oak ect) not qe class
@@scottwhitley3392 I understand they were laid down as battlecruisers, Fisher liked the idea, not as large as Hood but fast lightly armoured and carried 15 inch guns to run down raiders but also scout ahead of the battle squadron much like Beaty had done in the first world war. But it became obvious after Jutland they needed more armour, if they came in contact with heavily armoured battleships at great range where the shell would be coming down onto there decks, as happened to the Hood, so they where modified during the interwar year unlike Hood which wasn't, with new superstructure and other mods, however, the deck armour was still not enough due to weight problems hence Repulse's loss due to Japanese aircraft action and a huge loss of life.
@Aussie Pom Not quite so: that honour belongs to Courageous, Glorious & Furious.
Definitely filmed before 24 May, 1941.
I think the Atlantic is a lot rougher than the Pacific.
Lot of scrap metal
Pretty near submarines.
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Shipfus!
Looks a bit wet on the Hood.
Eu gosto de querra
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Fck I thought they were Submarines
Fascinating old films - but what poor sea-keeping qualities these ships had!
Taking it green over the bow in very moderate-looking seas.
Hardly surprising though with the long, flat foredeck and virtually plumb stem favoured by naval architects of the time...
LOL - Hood wasnt called the "largest submarine afloat" for nothing!. - We didn't get a good sea keeping boat till Vanguard.
Well Hood sat lower in the water because of all the extra armor added to her during construction because of of what happened at Jutland, no? I think she was originally only supposed to have a 9inch main belt armor.
1) Thats not a moderate-looking sea, it has white foam waves.
2) Neither of the 3 types of ships (Nelson class, Hood and Renown class(HMS Repulse)pictured had poor sea-keeping abilities and qualities. Well according to history books.
It gave them elegant looking lines, but looks don't count for much when you're fifty miles or more out in the North Atlantic - at almost ANY time of year. KMS Bismarck was built with a straight bow but was rather quickly brought into drydock and fitted with an "Atlantic" [aka "hurricane"] bow. All the Essex class carriers were likewise modified during their post-war refits. As for US battleships, the Colorado class had a clipper bow. Contrast the bows of USS Pennsylvania and the Iowa class ships - completely different.
Actually British ships tended to have better rough weather capability than anyone else, ie could still operate in seas that US ships could not. These are not moderate seas, looks very winter north atlantic and Ive been out in it myself. Some of the shots look like Hood which sat very low in the water, it was renowned as a wet ship and had the worst TB stats in the fleet.