the idea of questlines as :"A progressive multiple step quest" isnt that all a problem as a desing, the problem remained much more on the rewards and even some intermediate steps (DH questline in particular), the whole "I do this and get a win condition on its own" was the biggest offender imo
@@pachekaoo Except that also wasn't the problem, e.g. the Priest questline was totally ok despite being a self-contained win-con. It's the card draw and mana cheat that went w/ some of the quests which made them unusually toxic to play against. Or to put it another way: it all depends on how many turns it usually takes for something to happen whether it's bad or not. If you OTK on turn 7, that's bad for the game. If you OTK on turn 12, you better have a solid defensive shell to even hope for viability. Same (w/ different turn thresholds) for scam vs. tempo, toxic hyper aggro/face dmg vs acceptable aggro/burn decks, etc.
I'll be honest here. I don't think the Demon Seed change itself does anything to the deck, with Dark Glare having more of an impact if anything. It might be still run, but hey. The deck CANNOT go infinite with it anymore. So thats a huge plus. Honestly though. The card is limiting way too much design space. It should honestly just go at this point.
If I was the person who got to change darkglare, i would have the refresh 3 mana, but I’d make it a 2/2/3 instead of a 3/3/4 so the card isn’t just completely dead. And for the quest line, I’d keep it at 10-10-10 but I’d make tamsin’s battlecry: Battlecry: For the rest of the game, the first time your opponent takes damage each turn, double it.
@@DiabloTommaso giantlock could be played again without quest. Renathal or normal. And i think demonseed can be still good with renathal vs aggro or normal vs slower decks
Dammit, my DH Big Colifero deck is now not as good now that Sigil of skydiving has been hit. What do you mean it wasn't competitive in the first place?
DH getting the "any class with that shares a card with druid" treatment where your card gets nerfed because of how the other class uses it. See Seabreeze Chalice and Shattered Reflections as examples. 🤣
Make it ONLY protect you instead. So you can go infinite - but that's ALL you can do. You don't damage your opponent with it. Problem solved. (And still fun tbh)
Make it only work for first time you take dmg each turn so you can still grind down slower deck but you can't just flip from aggro board dump into burn/otk combo deck with single questline.
Im gonna be honest.... the mini-set will have to pull a LOT of work to make me come back... this meta still sucks, there's no deck that feels even remotely fun to face, every single deck you see on ladder has a card that say "I win fuck you" that being incendius in rogue or shaman, bio-pod in rogue and hunter, wheel of death in warlock, Climactic Necrotic Explosion in DK, cheese + timewarp drago in priesr, Dungar in Druid and many other cards I just cant be bother remembering considering HOW MANY THERE ARE!!!! Every deck feels like a scam deck... if you wanna play any slower and more value oriented strategies you just die because every single class can now just otk out of nowhere for no goddamn reason and if your deck cannot otk with 2 or 3 cards that your deck is not competitive viable.... this meta, this rotation broke me.... I haven't spent a single cent on the game in MONTHS! Ive playing the least I had in YEARS! And I'm basically quitting here and now even if I have an 11 start bonus and haven't reached legend yet cause my fucking good not a SINGLE game feels enjoyable..... playing hearthstone has been nothing but miserably lately and this patch doesn't seem to care about the underlying issue simply because most of those card won't be in standard anymore in a couple months.... there is literally no deck with a 50% winrate or higher that doesn't scams you in any way... NOT! A SINGLE! ONE! this needs to change....
Yeah I also enjoy it less and less. I've been working on an amalgam rogue deck though which is rather promising and to me it's fun. Might publish it soon. Basically Amalgam + braingill + lab constructor + shoplifter
@@bakad5458I barely manage to get my weeklies done... and we have still like... 2 months before rotation... I wish they just released the mini-set and say "fuck it the game will die if we leave legends+titans+badlands in standard any longer than this" I love primus but FUCK EVERY SINGLE CARD FROM LAST YEAR
I like that they at least explained why they hit cluster instead of dungar himself. Like it’s nice to know that they at least had a reason to nerf around him.
I really wish they would have killed the demon seed, but atleast for now wild should be a bit more playable. This Talgath buff is probably meaningless.
The bigger issue is that the meta is just unfun. Most decks are scam decks or otk you or rely on some Solitaire-esque mechanic that completely removes any agency. Handbuff Paladin, asteroid shaman, otk pally, dungar druid, wheel lock, Sonya rogue, etc. I am a control player and it doesn't seem to matter what I do. Imo the meta is at a really bad place right now 😢
Agreed. I don't want to play aggro/otkstone and I never will. And it's nothing but both decks stomping on control and losing to each other which is really stupid and broken. Handbuff paladin is especially problematic because it's basically rogue but with buffs that goes infinite.
As someone who plays Asteroid Shaman... it honestly really is a control deck. It has (or really begs for) that OTK potential... but it has to maintain board control the entire time getting there or it gets overrun. I spend every single turn running the balance act in my head of "what do I have to kill/deal with versus what can I put off so I can put more rocks in my deck/buff those rocks"? It's not really a viable deck in the current format... we either can't make enough rocks/eruptions, or we can't draw enough rocks/eruptions, or we can't buff up enough rocks/eruptions, or we can't keep the board clear enough/ourselves alive long enough for our rocks to hit face (eruption always does).
They didn't even touch hydration station, Dungar, sleep under the stars, or any of druids other problematic cards. Every game in 2000+ legend against druid is an on rails spectator sport where you are watching the druid play the game and hoping they don't pull a turn 6 Exodia board. Apparently, Blizzard is okay with that.
@@N3mdraz - SUTS wasn't nerfed enough - not withstanding the absolute joke of how it's broken in Aviana/Ysiel Wild. It's weird... they acknowledge that "ramp" is a core Druid concept... yet they refuse to acknowledge that unless that ability is VERY limited/controlled, it makes Druid far too insanely powerful for most any other class to overcome. That Druids can reliably play a game-breaking 9-mana neutral on Turn 6 where any deck that isn't Pirate Shaman (which just got hit) is still developing hand/board position (and Pirate Shaman doesn't have the on-board power to break the giant taunts Dungar summons - and even if it did, once, Hydration Station means you've got to do it 2 more times - 4 more for UnKilliax - who still didn't get nerfed where it mattered - all the while it's healing the Druid to full for anything you already did to them) makes this a ridiculous situation and I can't for the life of me understand how/why @Blizzard can't see it (or refuses to acknowledge they see it, at least).
1. The fact that they even joke about how Zilliax is the most nerfed card in Hearthstone history 💀 Points for honesty, I guess... 2. Darkglare is the big change for Demon Seed. That card was DISGUSTING 3. The Sonya change probably killed the card tbh 4. Pirate DH finally getting facked is satisfying as hell 5. The Talgath "buff" is utterly meaningless unless the mini-set makes it more powerfull
They need to do something about the librams. Having to deal with a 7/7 Silver Hand recruit every turn got annoying. They would just pump up their minions enough to kill both our minions. Zero cost libram of wisdom returns to their hand. Do it again. Give them +3/3 twice. Get it back.
After some first Matches in Standard after the Nerfs, the Feeling is, as foreseen, pretty much the same. Some of the Broken Decks are a slight, tiny Bit less broken now... Rogue probably got the hardest (still soft) Hit.
They are nerfing DK in Arena, but leaving Priest and Paladin without any adjustments? The Priest and Paladin arena pools are absolute garbage. Priest more so than Paladin. I understand the nerf, but they need to adjust the horrible choices on the bad classes as well.
Sonya is dead. "Oh, but you can still copy minions!" means nothing when the only minions you actually cared about copying were ones that gave you 1 cost spells to copy - I.e. Tidepool Pupil, Mixologist and Griftah.
Well heartstone reach a point where you can't make a card balance. Is either too strong or completely useless but people who are like "uhhh the balance thus the balznce that" know absolutely nothing about balance... ans they think they know better than the developers..
@olmollmk6681exactly. Power creep has gotten to the point where cards have to be broken in order to see play. I don’t even play standard anymore because playing broken cards over and over again is boring. I mostly stick to Arena despite its flaws as a game mode.
There's still Scoundrel + Incindius, or just generally Shadowstep/Scoundrel + any 3/4/6 cost minion. E.g. Shadowstepped Valerok, the Scoundrel mini into Arconite Defense Crystal (both getting the dupe)
I'm just surprised that they didn't make Tamsin cost 9 mana - keep everything else the same. Having to play a 9-mana minion (and then, ideally, OTK on 10) is within the power realm of wild.
The Tourist Mechanic is so problematic. Sigil in Demon Hunter wasn’t an issue anymore after the Treasure Distributor nerf, but it got nerfed because of Shaman now like other cards have been because of Druid. This will severely disadvantage DH in both Standard and Wild formats. Such a shame for my favorite class. Long live Shadow Priest now, I guess.
Crystal Cluster nerf is shit. Now if you play this on curve you can't even ramp by three unless you increase your max mana before. Dumb decision as always.
The fact that they have to nerf a card so many times just shows they pay very little attention to balance when they design these cards. It's purely about the flash when the cards are released to get you to spend money. Money over just making the cards right in the first place.
Now you can't Sonya into 1 mana Malgath :/ even when buffing you nerf the card lmao. The card is just badly designed imo, just a worse version of Tar Slick.
Glad Horizon’s Edge won’t be draftable in arena. Yesterday I died to three of them at the same on the board. They should at least cut one durability of it.
Honestly disappointed with the demon seed nerf, doesn't change the deck really at all, should of been reworked and murdered, and if not permanently banned I wouldn't minded either Darkglare nerf was nice but will not matter most likely
Huh the darkglare nerf is huge and changes the deck completely? The deck is devastated for the time being, until a new broken card is released and healthstone/MP is addressed next.
They just wont reign in the direct damage and it pisses me off charge needs to be nearly removed and replaced with rush in almost every case Spells like oh manager, griftah amulets, sunset volley and most other direct damage cards need to be changed to hit minions only its just not fun to die from hand and every class does it
Can the boar weapon and the automatons be nerved, so we can actually interact with the 15/3 weapon and get those minions back with just one health instead of them just getting bigger on each resurrect it gets. to get mechs at turn 5 or six at 6 to seven health is just plain stupid and not fun at all...
@@thehoodedone4249 Incorrect. Sonya was mostly used for decks that revolved around rng such as academic espionage, wishing well and excavate with the scorpion's spell which were actually fun but not reliable decks to play with, oh and the lame deck that revolved around deadly poison stacking on a weapon which was the only non-rng related deck she was used on. Hearthstone proves yet again that playing with fun, rng decks is a big no and that you should focus on druid turn 4-5 OTKS
I will freely admit that I play questlock in wild Not the dark glare version and frankly they could take it to fifteen damage and I'd still play it I will always have a soft spot for that win condition They can make it thirty damage a step and I would still play it And I rather they do that than rework tamsin
Demon Hunter was also spamming Sigil, make no mistake, DH was not innocent. They nerfed that card for a reason, and anyone with half a brain is glad that it got nerfed.
After patch my 1st matchup in wild was against a bot called "the easy you - DAIZU" with the non other nerfed deck seed warlock. Can u guess who won? The bot.. why? Cuz it's a pre-determined winner game as always..doeant matter what they nerf or buff..the system is the same!!!!
i love how none of these changes fix anything but nerf demon hunter for no reason other than shaman op demon seed is still a problem fundamentally so nerf means nothing and sonya will still break the game in some form later down the line so this patch is literally dust refundable cards do quests and log off again till the next patch nothing has changed
Hopefully all the other variants of the Demonseeds deck will be slowed down enough for Togwaggle to snatch the entire deck away. I just love making Demonseeds concede every time I successfully Togging their deck away.
Sometimes it’s a good thing for strong cards to exist. Ethereal Oracle is the glue that helps a lot of the new archetypes continue to exist and function properly. It’s one of the only cards in the set that’s actually *good* and not just *fine.*
@@MinoriGaming yeah I generally like the cheap neutral staples we get every once in a while. I think people maybe feel differently about this one because it’s more fast and damagey rather than valuey
@@MinoriGamingagreed. Not many cards in the set are good right now. Maybe post rotation then they could hit the card if it gets too strong. But i doubt that.
For the 100th time ! There is no problem with unkiliax. It cost 9 manas, and he only provide healing. Hes not otk , not aggro , just a control tool ! Leave him as he is !
The problem isn't with him on itself... the problem is having fifteen billions of them! Taking off reborn would make resurrecting unkilliaxes more manageable. You're right, he's no otk but against certain decks... he kinda is tho! To get rid of it you either need to steal it, a very good board clear or to lose 4 different minions slamming them into it healing your opponent for 16 in the process. The problem isn't unkilliax the problem are the two classes that abuses it, druid and warrior. It might be 9 mana but... does it really comes down on turn 9...? No. No he doesn't.
Actually the most braindead take I've ever seen anywhere. You'd come across as less stupid if you said you thought Hitler had good policies involving concentration camps.
Again, high MMR ruins a card for low MMR players. I really loved Sonya and she's not really a problem until you start hitting plat. Also, I hope anyone who outright bought the signature Sonya gets a refund lol
Wild will actually be a lot more playable because of these nerfs. THANK YOU. To all the demon seed abusers, enjoy finding a new deck to play. Enjoy your 400 dust
Rogue, the class that blizz dont know how to deal. Its really bad, but its the best in the crazynest...Only top legends play it so, lets nerf it so one its gonna play it . Nice xD
The Demon Seed's final reward is frankly just the cherry on top. Self danage Warlock would still be viable without The Demon Seed. All the more reason the card should be reworked and stop being dodged. Grand magister needs to be once per game and so does Shudderwock. Gut these terrible solitaire cards already. And fix Velen devs! Saronite chain gang combo is so broken it necessitates silence.
I'm so sick of them avoiding the obvious fix to Demon Seed: don't make the opponent take damage FOR you but WITH you. You still hurt, you're just hurting them at the same time. It's been the right answer for years and they still refuse to do it.
@@LightRuler003 hunter was already doing worst things than sonya things but it was random... which is arguably worst... if hunter gets the mana discount amulet from Grifta it can do outright disgusting things you have little to no counterplay considering they can back up whatever they do with 2 to 5 secret out their fucking asses.... I loved when in hearthstone you put a special card in your deck for a reason but now it's just a race to see either who pulls the biggest or the most stuff out their ass the fastest.... so fun and interactive /s -_-
No it wasn't and I sincerely hope you're joking because Sonya literally swings game sooo far in the rogue player's favour is not even funny.... and I heard stuff like "without sonya rogue would be unplayable" tossed around which is honestly a shitty argument because giving it one so obviously obscenely broken card the worst way to make a class playable and I hope the change kills the sonya into a ditch....
So they nerfed demon hunter because another class using their card was strong? What about demon hunter itself? Was it that good? Who is behind decisions like this, really =/
Not that DH is doing that bad tho. I've seen a "kill you from in hand" hybrid naga pirate dh crop up recently.... its not fun to face at all and if your opponent has any healing you fold like a paper but considering there's like... 1 class that heals competitively speaking it shouldn't be all that bad.
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They’ll never admit the entire Stormwind quest design was a mistake.
the idea of questlines as :"A progressive multiple step quest" isnt that all a problem as a desing, the problem remained much more on the rewards and even some intermediate steps (DH questline in particular), the whole "I do this and get a win condition on its own" was the biggest offender imo
questlines are fine, "for the rest of the game" isn't
@@pachekaoo Except that also wasn't the problem, e.g. the Priest questline was totally ok despite being a self-contained win-con. It's the card draw and mana cheat that went w/ some of the quests which made them unusually toxic to play against.
Or to put it another way: it all depends on how many turns it usually takes for something to happen whether it's bad or not. If you OTK on turn 7, that's bad for the game. If you OTK on turn 12, you better have a solid defensive shell to even hope for viability. Same (w/ different turn thresholds) for scam vs. tempo, toxic hyper aggro/face dmg vs acceptable aggro/burn decks, etc.
Ah yes, the paladin quest was oppressive.
They should have buffed Talgath to cost 1 mana 2/2 to go along with the nerfed Sonya, which can push Rogue for more board control using Backstab.
They should've redesigned Talgath
Eventually demon seed will be 30 dmg per questline
And will still be played.
I'll be honest here. I don't think the Demon Seed change itself does anything to the deck, with Dark Glare having more of an impact if anything. It might be still run, but hey. The deck CANNOT go infinite with it anymore. So thats a huge plus. Honestly though. The card is limiting way too much design space. It should honestly just go at this point.
Bro darkglare was insane expecialy if you pair it with the 0 mana heal. now is unolayable and thank god for that.
Thank god, combo rouge deck came out now anyway or other aggro...
If I was the person who got to change darkglare, i would have the refresh 3 mana, but I’d make it a 2/2/3 instead of a 3/3/4 so the card isn’t just completely dead. And for the quest line, I’d keep it at 10-10-10 but I’d make tamsin’s battlecry: Battlecry: For the rest of the game, the first time your opponent takes damage each turn, double it.
@BradHS darkglare pourpose what to play it with giants and you can still do it
@@DiabloTommaso giantlock could be played again without quest. Renathal or normal. And i think demonseed can be still good with renathal vs aggro or normal vs slower decks
Dammit, my DH Big Colifero deck is now not as good now that Sigil of skydiving has been hit.
What do you mean it wasn't competitive in the first place?
DH getting the "any class with that shares a card with druid" treatment where your card gets nerfed because of how the other class uses it. See Seabreeze Chalice and Shattered Reflections as examples. 🤣
@@Desturel Druid and Mage sharing cards is already blasphemy incarnate, mostly because BOTH are capable of profound broken abuse.
I think a good nerf for Demon Seed is making the reward not protecting you from self inflicted fatigue.
Make it ONLY protect you instead.
So you can go infinite - but that's ALL you can do. You don't damage your opponent with it. Problem solved.
(And still fun tbh)
@@PhukYu2That would just kill the quest . Why would you waste slot for a card that require you to do 30 (36 now) damage to yourself for nothing .
Make it only work for first time you take dmg each turn so you can still grind down slower deck but you can't just flip from aggro board dump into burn/otk combo deck with single questline.
Im gonna be honest.... the mini-set will have to pull a LOT of work to make me come back... this meta still sucks, there's no deck that feels even remotely fun to face, every single deck you see on ladder has a card that say "I win fuck you" that being incendius in rogue or shaman, bio-pod in rogue and hunter, wheel of death in warlock, Climactic Necrotic Explosion in DK, cheese + timewarp drago in priesr, Dungar in Druid and many other cards I just cant be bother remembering considering HOW MANY THERE ARE!!!! Every deck feels like a scam deck... if you wanna play any slower and more value oriented strategies you just die because every single class can now just otk out of nowhere for no goddamn reason and if your deck cannot otk with 2 or 3 cards that your deck is not competitive viable.... this meta, this rotation broke me.... I haven't spent a single cent on the game in MONTHS! Ive playing the least I had in YEARS! And I'm basically quitting here and now even if I have an 11 start bonus and haven't reached legend yet cause my fucking good not a SINGLE game feels enjoyable..... playing hearthstone has been nothing but miserably lately and this patch doesn't seem to care about the underlying issue simply because most of those card won't be in standard anymore in a couple months.... there is literally no deck with a 50% winrate or higher that doesn't scams you in any way... NOT! A SINGLE! ONE! this needs to change....
Yeah I also enjoy it less and less. I've been working on an amalgam rogue deck though which is rather promising and to me it's fun. Might publish it soon.
Basically Amalgam + braingill + lab constructor + shoplifter
im struggling to even finish the battle pass its just so unfun
@@bakad5458I barely manage to get my weeklies done... and we have still like... 2 months before rotation... I wish they just released the mini-set and say "fuck it the game will die if we leave legends+titans+badlands in standard any longer than this" I love primus but FUCK EVERY SINGLE CARD FROM LAST YEAR
i don't think anything will change, not in a way that matters. hearthstone is just an entirely diffirent game now, you either take it or leave it
Meta is pretty bad. So much shit you cant play around. Fukk that otk biopod.
I like that they at least explained why they hit cluster instead of dungar himself. Like it’s nice to know that they at least had a reason to nerf around him.
I really wish they would have killed the demon seed, but atleast for now wild should be a bit more playable.
This Talgath buff is probably meaningless.
Nah, it would became the most strongest card for whole year just like Crabatoa.
The bigger issue is that the meta is just unfun. Most decks are scam decks or otk you or rely on some Solitaire-esque mechanic that completely removes any agency. Handbuff Paladin, asteroid shaman, otk pally, dungar druid, wheel lock, Sonya rogue, etc. I am a control player and it doesn't seem to matter what I do. Imo the meta is at a really bad place right now 😢
Agreed. I don't want to play aggro/otkstone and I never will. And it's nothing but both decks stomping on control and losing to each other which is really stupid and broken. Handbuff paladin is especially problematic because it's basically rogue but with buffs that goes infinite.
As someone who plays Asteroid Shaman... it honestly really is a control deck. It has (or really begs for) that OTK potential... but it has to maintain board control the entire time getting there or it gets overrun. I spend every single turn running the balance act in my head of "what do I have to kill/deal with versus what can I put off so I can put more rocks in my deck/buff those rocks"?
It's not really a viable deck in the current format... we either can't make enough rocks/eruptions, or we can't draw enough rocks/eruptions, or we can't buff up enough rocks/eruptions, or we can't keep the board clear enough/ourselves alive long enough for our rocks to hit face (eruption always does).
They didn't even touch hydration station, Dungar, sleep under the stars, or any of druids other problematic cards. Every game in 2000+ legend against druid is an on rails spectator sport where you are watching the druid play the game and hoping they don't pull a turn 6 Exodia board. Apparently, Blizzard is okay with that.
sleep under the stars was already nefed last patch. Hydration station/ dungar i agree
I'm tired of this dumb shit too. Like for real.
@@N3mdraz - SUTS wasn't nerfed enough - not withstanding the absolute joke of how it's broken in Aviana/Ysiel Wild.
It's weird... they acknowledge that "ramp" is a core Druid concept... yet they refuse to acknowledge that unless that ability is VERY limited/controlled, it makes Druid far too insanely powerful for most any other class to overcome.
That Druids can reliably play a game-breaking 9-mana neutral on Turn 6 where any deck that isn't Pirate Shaman (which just got hit) is still developing hand/board position (and Pirate Shaman doesn't have the on-board power to break the giant taunts Dungar summons - and even if it did, once, Hydration Station means you've got to do it 2 more times - 4 more for UnKilliax - who still didn't get nerfed where it mattered - all the while it's healing the Druid to full for anything you already did to them) makes this a ridiculous situation and I can't for the life of me understand how/why @Blizzard can't see it (or refuses to acknowledge they see it, at least).
I defeater so many druids, depends on what u play
I'll keep saying it... They need to ban Crystallizer in Warlock decks. Makes for an OP 1 drop is the demon seed deck
darkglare and the new heal card are just too good of a combination of cards
1. The fact that they even joke about how Zilliax is the most nerfed card in Hearthstone history 💀
Points for honesty, I guess...
2. Darkglare is the big change for Demon Seed. That card was DISGUSTING
3. The Sonya change probably killed the card tbh
4. Pirate DH finally getting facked is satisfying as hell
5. The Talgath "buff" is utterly meaningless unless the mini-set makes it more powerfull
To be fair Zilliax is like 5 cards in one _(which they also point out)._
Yeah sonya is dead
They need to do something about the librams. Having to deal with a 7/7 Silver Hand recruit every turn got annoying. They would just pump up their minions enough to kill both our minions. Zero cost libram of wisdom returns to their hand. Do it again. Give them +3/3 twice. Get it back.
After some first Matches in Standard after the Nerfs, the Feeling is, as foreseen, pretty much the same. Some of the Broken Decks are a slight, tiny Bit less broken now... Rogue probably got the hardest (still soft) Hit.
They are nerfing DK in Arena, but leaving Priest and Paladin without any adjustments? The Priest and Paladin arena pools are absolute garbage. Priest more so than Paladin. I understand the nerf, but they need to adjust the horrible choices on the bad classes as well.
A minute of silence for Sonya 😢
Sonya is dead.
"Oh, but you can still copy minions!" means nothing when the only minions you actually cared about copying were ones that gave you 1 cost spells to copy - I.e. Tidepool Pupil, Mixologist and Griftah.
Well heartstone reach a point where you can't make a card balance. Is either too strong or completely useless but people who are like "uhhh the balance thus the balznce that" know absolutely nothing about balance... ans they think they know better than the developers..
@olmollmk6681exactly. Power creep has gotten to the point where cards have to be broken in order to see play. I don’t even play standard anymore because playing broken cards over and over again is boring. I mostly stick to Arena despite its flaws as a game mode.
There's still Scoundrel + Incindius, or just generally Shadowstep/Scoundrel + any 3/4/6 cost minion. E.g. Shadowstepped Valerok, the Scoundrel mini into Arconite Defense Crystal (both getting the dupe)
Ah yes, signature SONYA, I have, which I never played. Sweet 3200 dust.
When will the new mini set be available?
january
you’re the last consistent hearthstone content creator, keep doing what you do you’ve cornered a niche
I'm just surprised that they didn't make Tamsin cost 9 mana - keep everything else the same. Having to play a 9-mana minion (and then, ideally, OTK on 10) is within the power realm of wild.
The Tourist Mechanic is so problematic. Sigil in Demon Hunter wasn’t an issue anymore after the Treasure Distributor nerf, but it got nerfed because of Shaman now like other cards have been because of Druid. This will severely disadvantage DH in both Standard and Wild formats. Such a shame for my favorite class. Long live Shadow Priest now, I guess.
Yes it was?
Already working on the Darkglare video :)
Crystal Cluster nerf is shit. Now if you play this on curve you can't even ramp by three unless you increase your max mana before. Dumb decision as always.
The fact that they have to nerf a card so many times just shows they pay very little attention to balance when they design these cards. It's purely about the flash when the cards are released to get you to spend money. Money over just making the cards right in the first place.
Of course they are released to spend money like that's the whole point.
Sonia should have been turn limited. 1 cost minion practically kills it.
Didnt sonya come when miniturize was introduced? Why did that card ever include spells, weapons and more?
“They’re copying my homework!”
Now you can't Sonya into 1 mana Malgath :/ even when buffing you nerf the card lmao. The card is just badly designed imo, just a worse version of Tar Slick.
Glad Horizon’s Edge won’t be draftable in arena. Yesterday I died to three of them at the same on the board. They should at least cut one durability of it.
So next mini set they will add a bunch of OP 1 cost minions I guarantee it.Until then we should see Doll played in Rogue to get those 1 cost minions.
So the incindious combo with sonya still works so not too bad tbh
cycle rogue still cooking
i really hope weapon rogue gets popular now! destroying one of the only cards in this game that requires some skill expression is insane
This +1 attack only should happen to most cards that give +1/+1
what should cycle rogue do now without sonya?
Wishing well is alive at least with sonya
Honestly disappointed with the demon seed nerf, doesn't change the deck really at all, should of been reworked and murdered, and if not permanently banned I wouldn't minded either
Darkglare nerf was nice but will not matter most likely
Darkglare nerf kills the deck.
Without Darkglare, the deck is bottom of T3 at best.
I mean every points of damage matter...even if is demon seeds
Huh the darkglare nerf is huge and changes the deck completely?
The deck is devastated for the time being, until a new broken card is released and healthstone/MP is addressed next.
Watching this trying to avoid the itch to open more packs in Pokemon TCG pocket
any1 know what time its released
R.I.P. Darkglare. You will not be missed.
iam so happy about darkglare nerf, assuming countless "i rope every turn" quest warlocks are mad rn :)
They just wont reign in the direct damage and it pisses me off charge needs to be nearly removed and replaced with rush in almost every case
Spells like oh manager, griftah amulets, sunset volley and most other direct damage cards need to be changed to hit minions only its just not fun to die from hand and every class does it
Can the boar weapon and the automatons be nerved, so we can actually interact with the 15/3 weapon and get those minions back with just one health instead of them just getting bigger on each resurrect it gets. to get mechs at turn 5 or six at 6 to seven health is just plain stupid and not fun at all...
Is this satire?
You do earn my support Zeddy.
I love your work.
Sonya should not have been nerfed
Incorrect. It enables boring solitaire playstyle. The same reason they nerfed quasar rogue
@ I play solitaire with your mother every night and quasar is a great otk deck
@@groovycald3162 OK? Good for you. I'd rather have an intelligent conversation with you. But if you want to just use 5th grade insults go ahead
@@thehoodedone4249 Incorrect. Sonya was mostly used for decks that revolved around rng such as academic espionage, wishing well and excavate with the scorpion's spell which were actually fun but not reliable decks to play with, oh and the lame deck that revolved around deadly poison stacking on a weapon which was the only non-rng related deck she was used on. Hearthstone proves yet again that playing with fun, rng decks is a big no and that you should focus on druid turn 4-5 OTKS
@@polk7706 this guy gets it
Buck Flizzard! When can we get a new head of design and alike to save this game?
I will freely admit that I play questlock in wild Not the dark glare version and frankly they could take it to fifteen damage and I'd still play it I will always have a soft spot for that win condition They can make it thirty damage a step and I would still play it And I rather they do that than rework tamsin
So basically Shaman murdered,rest of the classes are fine and Warlock on standard is better than ever
Demon Hunter took a hit all because Shaman was abusing that card.
They really should have just nerfed pop up book.
Demon Hunter was also spamming Sigil, make no mistake, DH was not innocent. They nerfed that card for a reason, and anyone with half a brain is glad that it got nerfed.
Sonya should be minion or card from other class
Dark Glare is ok now on Zoo Discolock... not saying that the deck is broken...
After patch my 1st matchup in wild was against a bot called "the easy you - DAIZU" with the non other nerfed deck seed warlock. Can u guess who won? The bot.. why? Cuz it's a pre-determined winner game as always..doeant matter what they nerf or buff..the system is the same!!!!
i love how none of these changes fix anything but nerf demon hunter for no reason other than shaman op demon seed is still a problem fundamentally so nerf means nothing and sonya will still break the game in some form later down the line so this patch is literally dust refundable cards do quests and log off again till the next patch nothing has changed
Keep up the good work, Zeddy
Hopefully all the other variants of the Demonseeds deck will be slowed down enough for Togwaggle to snatch the entire deck away. I just love making Demonseeds concede every time I successfully Togging their deck away.
Well with less mana refresh you might definitely have a chance
Finally they listened to good ol' Zeddy XDDD
Why can they rework Reno but not the Demon Seed?
Servers going down will be a great day
Am i the only one who thinks this change isnt affecting demon seed?
Not nerfing ethereal oracle to a 4 mana 2/4 (or something along those lines) was a mistake. Neutrals aren’t supposed to be as strong as class cards.
Sometimes it’s a good thing for strong cards to exist. Ethereal Oracle is the glue that helps a lot of the new archetypes continue to exist and function properly. It’s one of the only cards in the set that’s actually *good* and not just *fine.*
@@MinoriGaming yeah I generally like the cheap neutral staples we get every once in a while. I think people maybe feel differently about this one because it’s more fast and damagey rather than valuey
Yes they are lmao. Then nerf Gold panner and that 2/2 Snake oil guy
@@MinoriGamingagreed. Not many cards in the set are good right now. Maybe post rotation then they could hit the card if it gets too strong. But i doubt that.
Removing elusive from zilliax would allow hex etc which is huge. Could even maybe undo another nerf with it but it’s what’s needed.
So warlock wasn't touched ,guess finals taught the team nothing,what else is new
Unless the beast belong to rexxar blizzard refuses to buff beasts
If they didn't retire Reno early, they better not retire zilliax early
For the 100th time ! There is no problem with unkiliax. It cost 9 manas, and he only provide healing.
Hes not otk , not aggro , just a control tool !
Leave him as he is !
The problem isn't with him on itself... the problem is having fifteen billions of them! Taking off reborn would make resurrecting unkilliaxes more manageable. You're right, he's no otk but against certain decks... he kinda is tho! To get rid of it you either need to steal it, a very good board clear or to lose 4 different minions slamming them into it healing your opponent for 16 in the process. The problem isn't unkilliax the problem are the two classes that abuses it, druid and warrior. It might be 9 mana but... does it really comes down on turn 9...? No. No he doesn't.
They would have to nerf like 20+ cards to get my attention again. Ill check out the meta game at rotation i suppose.
Next Nerf For Demon Seed
Deal 30 Damage per Questline Stage 😅
Cool can they now refund the dust i spent for 4 decks i dedicated around sonya... No?
Great, Warlock has so many other viable wild decks anyway, like : and : .
I don’t even think Sonya was a problem just a bunch of cry babies that hate anything rogue complaining about it too much.
Duh lol
worst comment
Actually the most braindead take I've ever seen anywhere. You'd come across as less stupid if you said you thought Hitler had good policies involving concentration camps.
Scrolls-paladin should be the next to be nerfed...
Truest definition of "Oh no! Anyway." for warlock
absolutly not. darkglare was the reason why that deck was stupid
What the hell are you talking about, darkglare was so stupidly op
The deck is optimistically tier 3 trash now lol. Darkglare was absolutely essential.
Soo will they give 20 holiday gifts for all😂❤
Just ban Demon Seed. I hate that stupid deck and card.
Yea. Otk turn 5 combos are more better...
@@Sylarko100 i never said anything was better. I'm just tired of that brainless shit deck,
You could beat it with shadow priest or any combo deck..
@@Sylarko100 - Or literally any aggro deck... I play Seed and 10 of my 14 losses are to aggro decks.
How paladin Legendary can be 6 mana 9/9 but rogue can't have 3 mana 4/4 or 3/4?
Rogue mains when one of their cards is not three times better then average card of every other class combined:😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Oh hell yeah wishing well rogue is still viable
Po2 came out, ive been set free.
Seed will still be played, just with the discard/fatigue package and Zeph as finisher :)
still no asteroid shaman nerfs BAHAHAH
Again, high MMR ruins a card for low MMR players. I really loved Sonya and she's not really a problem until you start hitting plat.
Also, I hope anyone who outright bought the signature Sonya gets a refund lol
Wild will actually be a lot more playable because of these nerfs. THANK YOU. To all the demon seed abusers, enjoy finding a new deck to play. Enjoy your 400 dust
Demons seed will be playable still even without darkglare. Fatique version. Or giant
1600 Dust
oh .. plus 2 x 100 from the Darkglare
shadow priest and big shaman are much more oppressive than demon seed xd
@@nikoratzu6844 yea shadow priest will dominate now or big shaman. So now no 3 op decks , now only 2 will be played
Sonia reworked?! 👀 maybe I’ll come back to hearthstone
You never saw her in your silver games brother
Blizzpigs, where is fix for velen in wild?
We did it, boys. Rogue is unplayable.
I smell an otk coming with that Rogue legendary
Honest i dont care sonya is not nearly as good now the spell part was some of the worst part about dealing with it.
Rogue, the class that blizz dont know how to deal. Its really bad, but its the best in the crazynest...Only top legends play it so, lets nerf it so one its gonna play it . Nice xD
fr, just wtf even is Ulu lmao,
Please god, I hope they rotate Zilliax early. If I have to spend another year with hydration station and that crap in standard, I will quit.
The Demon Seed's final reward is frankly just the cherry on top. Self danage Warlock would still be viable without The Demon Seed. All the more reason the card should be reworked and stop being dodged. Grand magister needs to be once per game and so does Shudderwock. Gut these terrible solitaire cards already. And fix Velen devs! Saronite chain gang combo is so broken it necessitates silence.
I'm so sick of them avoiding the obvious fix to Demon Seed: don't make the opponent take damage FOR you but WITH you. You still hurt, you're just hurting them at the same time. It's been the right answer for years and they still refuse to do it.
they killed sonya :c, now paladin is more rogue than rogue
My guy... have you seen hunter? Hunter is more rogue then rogue ever since discover hunter became a thing....
@@KaiteWDrey now hunter will be doing Sonya things 😂
@@LightRuler003 hunter was already doing worst things than sonya things but it was random... which is arguably worst... if hunter gets the mana discount amulet from Grifta it can do outright disgusting things you have little to no counterplay considering they can back up whatever they do with 2 to 5 secret out their fucking asses.... I loved when in hearthstone you put a special card in your deck for a reason but now it's just a race to see either who pulls the biggest or the most stuff out their ass the fastest.... so fun and interactive /s -_-
Demon seed - bullshit nerf, need change tamsim battlecry
Sonya was fine though
No it wasn't and I sincerely hope you're joking because Sonya literally swings game sooo far in the rogue player's favour is not even funny.... and I heard stuff like "without sonya rogue would be unplayable" tossed around which is honestly a shitty argument because giving it one so obviously obscenely broken card the worst way to make a class playable and I hope the change kills the sonya into a ditch....
So they nerfed demon hunter because another class using their card was strong? What about demon hunter itself? Was it that good? Who is behind decisions like this, really =/
We don't know what the mini-set will bring. Maybe they will make up for it.
That's the problem with dual class cards. Druid got Priest nerfed a while back.
Not that DH is doing that bad tho. I've seen a "kill you from in hand" hybrid naga pirate dh crop up recently.... its not fun to face at all and if your opponent has any healing you fold like a paper but considering there's like... 1 class that heals competitively speaking it shouldn't be all that bad.
Hey with the recent buffs you can shadowstep Talgath and copy it with Sonya for some interesting clears. Oh wait Tar slick is a thing LUL !
Balance team is still deluded that Sonya was only a problem at Top Legend.
maybe Arkwing Pilot might need a nerf aswell nothing more fun for them to summon 7 of em in one turn each dealing 3 to face