The greatest defensive artists of all time Part 2

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  • Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
  • Part 2 includes Jersey Joe Walcott, Archie Moore, Muhammad Ali, Roberto Duran and Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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  • @thomasgrizzell5894
    @thomasgrizzell5894 10 років тому +7

    xx i think that duran had the smartest defence out of them all i mean he was truly dynamic it was like watching a peice of art when you see him slipping then punches

    • @jayguns3514
      @jayguns3514 9 років тому

      Thomas Grizzell I agree with you 100%.

  • @ozziebalan3245
    @ozziebalan3245 9 років тому +10

    What made duran so special defensively was that he transtitioned from his aggressive offense to his defense at a high speed , he didn't think defense first he was a offensive machine with great defensive skills at the same time , almost a seamless transition!!!

    • @jayguns3514
      @jayguns3514 9 років тому +1

      Ozzie Balan I agree with you 100%. Duran was amazing! A lot of people that don't understand boxing don't realize how good Duran was defensively.

    • @alzeriel
      @alzeriel 9 років тому

      Jose Ortega i agree he was good even one of the best but ahead of ali?? in defense?? idk about that one

    • @jayguns3514
      @jayguns3514 9 років тому

      Ali was easy to hit. Great offensive fighter, but no defense.

    • @adrielmoody
      @adrielmoody 9 років тому +1

      Jose Ortega 60's Ali was not easy to hit.

    • @jayguns3514
      @jayguns3514 9 років тому

      Cassius Clay was not easy to hit.

  • @jamecpa10
    @jamecpa10 13 років тому +2

    roberto duran was a amazing fighter, beautiful moves in every angle

  • @thomasgrizzell5894
    @thomasgrizzell5894 10 років тому +10

    xx roberto durans defence was truly dynamic he had the best defence ever i mean he was special lolll xx

    • @jayguns3514
      @jayguns3514 9 років тому

      Thomas Grizzell Durans head movement was amazing. He was also a great counter puncher.

  • @adrenacrumb
    @adrenacrumb 10 років тому +8

    Duran is absolutely unstoppable at 135, he uses Pep's spinning the opponent around technique perfectly, that is how he was able to keep Leonard on the ropes all night in the 1st one, nobody does that properly now.

  • @LarS1963
    @LarS1963 11 років тому +2

    I love watching Duran. I don't think there's ever ben a boxer with a more dynamic and great looking style. The way he could slip and dodge and still be in his opponents face was a marvel to watch.
    Even as he got older and slower, he still knew how to take the power out of his opponents punches, even if he was no longer fast enough to entirely avoid them.

  • @KidDynamite40
    @KidDynamite40 11 років тому +1

    5:47 Ali shoulder rolls the right he knows its coming because hes circling towards it. Basic but beautiful to watch.

  • @LarS1963
    @LarS1963 12 років тому

    In my opinion that is what this video is all about. Showing the different methods employed, from Ali's reflexes and use of angles, to Duran's rolling and slipping while going forward.
    It's a great video!

  • @doctorillphil
    @doctorillphil 12 років тому

    i got to check that out, the way he slips and returns with a counter is truly amazing. He was ahead of his time skill wise.

  • @lizardman77
    @lizardman77 15 років тому +1

    Agreed. Good vid, and I knew Duran would be in this vid. The guy was damn near impossible to hit with a clean punch especially at lightweight. The old saying was "Leonard would make u miss by a foot, Duran by an inch." Amazing.

  • @doctorillphil
    @doctorillphil 12 років тому

    :55-57 love the footwork from jersey joe, one of my favorite boxers. I've been trying to get that footwork pattern down for a while now, i love it

  • @doctorillphil
    @doctorillphil 12 років тому

    jersey joe wolcott at :54-58 that foot work and head movement is ridiculous, I have been trying to learn for a few months now. I love it

  • @grendel66
    @grendel66 11 років тому

    Thanks, I hadn't seen it on a first glow ! What an impresive subtility. But my favorite move is Walcott's left uppercut at 1:33 against Charles. Another thing you just don't see anymore neither.

  • @jesusneverexisted300
    @jesusneverexisted300 14 років тому

    @TheGreatA: I am so glad you have Wilfred Benitez in there not that you could have igneored his defensive wizardry because he is regarded as one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time. The most amazing thing about Wilfred Benitez is hardly ever moved his feet when evading punches. His genius was the fact that he could stand in one place, not moving his feet and still not get hit! He was simply amazing! The other thing is he fought his whole career moving backwards! One word, wow!

  • @crx122
    @crx122 12 років тому

    Mike Tyson had the best defense that set up the offensive attack that I have ever seen. The greatest defense does nothing for you if you can just dodge punches, but never hit them back. Everything Tyson did defensive wise set him up for his own combinations, which made him so incredible.

  • @grendel66
    @grendel66 12 років тому

    Thanks bro. I just watch your two vids..... You are a real boxing fan, and knows a lot about it. I believe you've practice this sport, otherwise you won't make such perfect choices. See you on the ring brother.

  • @katis999
    @katis999 15 років тому

    hey, duran was a great defensive fighter. head movement like almost nobody else. great vid dude. keep them coming

  • @Astreo8
    @Astreo8 14 років тому

    Joder con Walcott!! Este tipo ya habia inventado el breakdance unas decadas antes, menudo portento el tipo.
    Excelentes videos TheGreatA!!

  • @Paydro92
    @Paydro92 11 років тому

    thanks bro, been dying to to find that out for quite some time i really do appreciate it.

  • @ghana21
    @ghana21 12 років тому +1

    I wouldn't necessarily include Winky Wright and B Hop, but indeed James Toney, he's never been knocked out or stopped!!

  • @Zttbm
    @Zttbm 13 років тому

    Duran is so underrated as a defensive boxer.

  • @TheGreatA
    @TheGreatA  15 років тому

    This is all I could fit in two parts. As I said, part 3 is a work in progress.
    I wouldn't say that all of these fighters had amazing reflexes. It's mostly knowing where the opponent is going to throw a punch, before he even throws it.
    A video about the hardest p4p punchers of all time is certainly a possibility.

  • @joevtr
    @joevtr 12 років тому

    2 fighters stood out to me the most in this video - Ali and Duran. Duran=the greatest lightweight who ever lived bar none. However, every time I watch Mayweather I am convinced of one thing - he may well be the most gifted boxer who ever lived. That doesnt mean I am saying he is the greatest to have laced them up but as far as pure god given talent, he ranks above everyone I have seen in my eyes. He can do it all in the ring, box, brawl, defend, attack and I think he punches plenty hard enough.

  • @garrison968
    @garrison968 11 років тому

    Walcott was so slick, could stick and move with that lateral and diagonal step. Ali was pure leg speed in his early days. After his legal battle, he was easier to hit.

  • @serputjko
    @serputjko 10 років тому

    George Benton should be on this list. He had the best balanced and most stylish defensive style of boxing iv ever seen. One of the greats that never got a title shot.

  • @abudujana13
    @abudujana13 Місяць тому

    Thanks for the video, THEGREATA

  • @crx122
    @crx122 12 років тому

    James Toney, Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright are all HUGE exclusions from this list. I hope he makes a part three, with those guys, and Tyson. Although with Tyson you could argue that he didn't have a sustainably great defense like the other three who maintained their defensive prowess throughout their whole career.

  • @grendel66
    @grendel66 11 років тому

    Ha Benitez, what a sweet fefender, you're right, as for Lochhe who is incredible. And about the "Old Mongoose" defense, look at Foreman's one and you will understand why Archie Moore was his coach for a time....

  • @JaySmurkzTV
    @JaySmurkzTV 11 років тому

    ahhh a true connoisseur of the sweet science, watched a vid on Charley Burley other day, he's the originator of the shell defence right? absolutely sublime. Don't think anyone before him was so defensively astute.

  • @katis999
    @katis999 15 років тому

    ur totally right. same with tyson.tyson was a great offensive fighter,but at the same time he had great head movement and upper body movement. it s hard to say he was a great defensive fighter, but still he had great defense.same with roberto duran

  • @Rhiga
    @Rhiga 13 років тому +1

    7:58 that's a good move, go Duran

  • @kunkushun1
    @kunkushun1 10 років тому

    Both part 1 and part 2 of this video had all of the good defensive fighters. Roy Jones Jr, Prince Naseem Hamed, James Toney had great to brilliant denfense as well.

  • @dlogan1616
    @dlogan1616 11 років тому

    I know. My point was that Pep, Loche and Whitaker were great defensively even when they got older.

  • @BigBen81
    @BigBen81 14 років тому +1

    Mike Tyson definitely... i think his other attributes make people look over how solid his defense was....

  • @TheDJEDS
    @TheDJEDS 10 років тому +2

    floyd has the best defense ever.. he's got the slip, the roll and the shoulder roll!!!

    • @robinsonray6766
      @robinsonray6766 10 років тому +1

      I think Charley Burley had a better defense. Burley had the slip, the roll, the shoulder roll and lateral movement in a way Floyd simply doesn't possess.

    • @jayguns3514
      @jayguns3514 9 років тому

      Ed's lah_rabia Floyd takes to many body shots.

    • @TheDJEDS
      @TheDJEDS 9 років тому

      Jose Ortega body shots feel good when u in shape bro..! so it's ok.

    • @robinsonray6766
      @robinsonray6766 9 років тому

      BreuckelensFinest Floyds jab and right hook are used a lot to the body

    • @robinsonray6766
      @robinsonray6766 9 років тому

      BreuckelensFinest All were great set up punches.

  • @carmodifire
    @carmodifire 12 років тому

    haha,me too, I like to learn stuff from Walcott because he's not fast, he relies of great technique. There's a video where Walcott trains for the Marciano fight and there's a clip there where he spars and he fakes going one way-he goes that way, but then he literally glides the other way, I can't describe it, but it's so cool, you need to see it.

  • @hernandayolearyallda
    @hernandayolearyallda 12 років тому

    "Hank Kaplan wrote, that his “defense is the best seen in the heavyweight division in many years.” In his fights with Bonecrusher Smith and Tony Tucker each man only landed one significant punch in their entire fights. Tyson’s perpetual motion bob and weave was designed to make an opponent miss while always being in position to punch.

  • @DESERTFOXX252
    @DESERTFOXX252 12 років тому

    There are fighters that go into the ring with a "taking punches" gameplan. Ali's Rope-a-Dope is an obvious example. When Duran fought Moore he didn't care about taking his punches, he himself said that he knew Moore couldn't hurt him, and used this to batter the guy. Watch Benitez vs Hearns and you will see that sometimes when Hearns connects Benitez will roll with the punches renderring them almost useless. Slipping isn't the only type of defense.

  • @crx122
    @crx122 12 років тому

    This video needs James Toney and Winky Wright. Wright didn't just shell up like many people think, he set up all kinds of attacks. The man went 24 rounds with Mosley, and never got a scratch, need I say more about his defense? Oh yeah and he dominated both fights too, he had good offense and a terrific jab.

  • @CONTENDER791
    @CONTENDER791 12 років тому

    Marlon Starling should be on every list of greatest defensive fighters. Moochie could stand right in the pocket and not get hit , not a dancer but an inside defensive counter-puncher who had a great uppercut and peek-a-boo style. Should be TOP 5 All-Time , period.

  • @smarmie
    @smarmie 15 років тому

    Marlon starling had a superb defense mate... He cant be forgotten despite the fact he has never been a superstar

  • @YungJuve
    @YungJuve 12 років тому

    As the guy below said, Toney and Wright definitely both deserve mention.

  • @funnyblackmans
    @funnyblackmans 14 років тому +1

    nice video. n its good you put mayweather in there because hes a great defensive boxer which alot of people dont appreciate. you forgot whitaker though.

  • @masonrobinson3634
    @masonrobinson3634 11 років тому +1

    No Jack Johnson or Mike Tyson? I'm sure there are others that need to be on the list, time for part 3!

  • @Lonewolf8520
    @Lonewolf8520 13 років тому

    5:20 to 5:50 That's why boxing is called an art

  • @TheGreatA
    @TheGreatA  15 років тому

    I think he'll make an appearance along with some other lesser known defensive fighters.

  • @TheGreatA
    @TheGreatA  15 років тому

    I've been planning on doing this for a while. I finally decided to put it together due to a thread in ESB boxing forum. Now I have made videos of the hardest hitters, the fastest boxers and the defensive artists.
    I think Whitaker, Locche, Pep and Benitez would be top 4 for just about anybody.
    Your video is good though but it's not where I got my inspiration.

  • @stormbringer3788
    @stormbringer3788 9 років тому +1

    Charley Burley, Mike & Tommy Gibbons, Niccolino Loche, Miquel Canto, Sweat Pea, Benitez, LaStarza.Duilio Loi..all great defensive fighters. I knew Jersey Joe Walcott personally, great fighter, but I wouldn't include him in my list of greatest defensive artists. He was very slick, but not one of the greatest Defensive fighters. Benton fought great in the pocket and his defensive skills were vastly underrated.

    • @androlibre9661
      @androlibre9661 8 років тому

      +Storm Bringer Hey if you knew Jersey Joe could you tell me how he developed his style?

  • @hernandayolearyallda
    @hernandayolearyallda 12 років тому +1

    Rope-a-dope was about avoiding head punches by giving Ali an unnatural advantage in that he was able to lean back at angle not humanly possible without a rope,meaning he only had to protect his body, and often punching an elbow hurts ones fist. Its not like duran has never been tkoed, he has been, which shows its not a good strategy against real fighters.

  • @crx122
    @crx122 12 років тому

    I'm not sure I would define Muhammed Ali as having a great defense. Really with him he just had insane reflexes, and used angles like crazy. I guess that is technically defense, but not in the way you'd see from Mayweather or Toney etc. Ali really excelled because of his brains, he didn't have flashy defensive moves like shoulder rolls and such, he just never put himself in any bad situations. IDK maybe that's the point, but yeah his defense was all about smarts and very gifted reflexes.

  • @TheGreatA
    @TheGreatA  14 років тому

    Unfortunately youtube limits the length of the video to 11 minutes.

  • @grendel66
    @grendel66 11 років тому

    Moore also was a Light Heavyweight, and Ezzard had beaten Louis, so I'm not sure it is so important, especialy because in this time heavyweights were "lighter" than now. But I totally agree with prime Tyson's defense, one of the most impressive I've ever seen. It is strange that most people remembers Mike as a pure puncher and not as the great defensive boxer he was !

  • @seerauberjohnny
    @seerauberjohnny 14 років тому

    Herol Graham deserves an honourable mention!

  • @RRRRapify
    @RRRRapify 11 років тому

    Jack Johnson and Benny Leonard were also great defensive boxers.

  • @TheGreatA
    @TheGreatA  14 років тому

    In time, in time. Right now I have some other projects.

  • @hernandayolearyallda
    @hernandayolearyallda 12 років тому

    Many of the fight Tyson fought against were undefeated guys with over 30 wins, guys who were world class boxers who were champions who had belts, who had beaten aging Muhammad Ali. Lewis was in his prime, after the fight ended he said he aged like a prime wine whereas Tyson was brighter earlier in his career. Tyson was in decline with the Douglas fight in 1990, he basically was fighting once a year for money post holyfield to fight Lewis in 2002

  • @TheGreatA
    @TheGreatA  14 років тому

    "Tell me about all of the greats that the Klitschko brothers and Abraham have fought. "
    "As for the Klitschkos? Wlad: Chagaev, Ibragimov, Calvin Brock, Sam Peter, Botha, Byrd, Rahman just to name a few! "
    Thanks for making my point.
    Ali fought Patterson in 1965. Liston did his best to KO Ali in their first fight but barely laid a glove on him.

  • @raymonddonahue7282
    @raymonddonahue7282 3 роки тому

    Duran the greatest period.

  • @TGF25
    @TGF25 12 років тому

    Mayweather is the Greatest Defensive Fighter Ever imo! He's slick & has great upperbody movement but he is the greatest counterpuncher ever! That's why!

  • @itsabird
    @itsabird 15 років тому

    someone's probably arleady mentioned this, but wilfred benitez definitely for a third part.

  • @TheGreatA
    @TheGreatA  15 років тому

    I agree there are definitely similarities. But check out my Willie Pep and Wilfred Benitez highlights, that's where I took most of my footage.
    I guess there's just a very limited amount of film that you can use of these great fighters, especially Pep and Locche.
    It's never a bad thing to have a couple of videos highlighting defense, since there are already hundreds of other videos which are all about the KO's. The true art of boxing has always been to hit and not get hit.

  • @katis999
    @katis999 15 років тому

    winky wright, benny leonard, bernard hopkins and jack johnson would have deserved a place in that vid too

  • @TheMrplayitsafe
    @TheMrplayitsafe 12 років тому

    Cool crowd scene at 1:36

  • @crx122
    @crx122 12 років тому

    IMO Bernard Hopkins does too. He can slip, roll, and dodge punches as well as any middleweight to ever fight.

  • @TheGreatA
    @TheGreatA  14 років тому

    I've been viewing Helenius's fights since his amateur days.
    What does Tyson have to do with anything? Do you see him in this video?

  • @tillman78
    @tillman78 14 років тому

    Jesey Joe footwork was giving fits to bamas!!!

  • @Transformers217
    @Transformers217 13 років тому

    Ali was an incredible fighter. But his defense had flaws, and he did almost everything wrong. But he got away with it, because of his speed, reflexes, and athleticism.
    His flaws didn't start to reveal themselves, until 1970. That's when he was past his prime. Once he started to slow down, that's when he started to take a lot of punishment.

  • @TheGreatA
    @TheGreatA  14 років тому

    For a long time I've been planning on making a third part including the notable defensive artists who were left out. The problem has been that there are simply too many! No way to fit them all in. But with youtube's new 15 minute limit I might as well do another part by the end of the year.

  • @DESERTFOXX252
    @DESERTFOXX252 12 років тому

    Dropping your hands is not necessarily a weakness, it's got it's uses. Duran would take punches on purpose because he was a master at rolling with them. He chose to not use his defense like Benitez and other defensive fighters did, hence why he was so underrated defensively. Mayweather has a harder time against southpaws but he has shown improvement. And that is something Tyson never did, however that was because of his personal life issues.

  • @Isdapappy
    @Isdapappy 15 років тому

    hey man this is very nice .. i didnt realize how nice some of them old school dudes were....
    how about JAMES TONEY footage if you have any
    he should rank as one of the best

  • @TheGreatA
    @TheGreatA  13 років тому

    @UndeadFool
    Boxing exhibition with Michael Dokes.

  • @hernandayolearyallda
    @hernandayolearyallda 12 років тому

    I don't know enough about Archie moore to comment, but Jersey Joe, drops his hands as well and it cost him the Marciano fight, had he held that right hand up, woulda blocked that left hook. The fact that he is able to avoid being punched by even light heavyweights who move up with quick hand speed like Leon Spinks, or big power punchers shows his defensive genius. There are really just 4 fighters who could imo beat a prime tyson: Ali, Holyfield,Foreman, Lewis. And I am only certain of H n F

  • @onlyjoetee
    @onlyjoetee 13 років тому

    its actually a very simple principle,like all great principles.A moving target is harder to hit,SO MOVE!!!!simple

  • @HoganHassan
    @HoganHassan 15 років тому

    What is the instrumental used for Ali's part of the video? It's excellent and fits Ali's style completely

  • @FinalFreak121
    @FinalFreak121 14 років тому

    Great Musics
    I like the first one could you tell me its name please?

  • @mookeychase0907
    @mookeychase0907 11 років тому

    Right people who don't really understand or know the "sweet science" only look at the punching aspect of boxing not the things like slipping countering and other defensive maneuvers that take lots and lots of practice,and getting hit. Yes Benitez, young boy world champion when he fought Mustafa Hamsho he just couldn't get out of the way of his punches. Maybe his being a southpaw gave Benitez trouble."El Finito" Ricardo Lopez was an excellent defensive fighter also.

  • @davidsterling3978
    @davidsterling3978 6 років тому

    Thanks G.A

  • @crx122
    @crx122 12 років тому

    Could someone please tell me the song for Muhammed Ali's part? Absolutely beautiful song.

  • @dedrickmcconnell621
    @dedrickmcconnell621 10 років тому

    Jersey Joe had Marciano missing and wobbly a couple of times. Marciano got him late but I have to think if he would have went for it earlier, maybe he could have got Rocky!

  • @TheGreatA
    @TheGreatA  14 років тому

    Hans Zimmer - Maestro

  • @JcLeopard
    @JcLeopard 14 років тому

    @mikespikeforlife He was great at rolling with punches though. Jake Lamotta hardly ever got hit with the full force of a punch. It was the combination of a Great Chin with that ability that kept him off the deck.

  • @puzzledsoul24
    @puzzledsoul24 13 років тому

    Great video but too short of clip for Mayweather.. Would have loved to see more.

  • @DESERTFOXX252
    @DESERTFOXX252 12 років тому

    I never said he was finished in all those fights by uppercuts, I said he got "beat up" by them the same way in most of his fights once he was exposed. You know, just because he got lazy on defense and got tired doesn't mean he wasn't getting nailed because of holes in his defense. My point is, he is not a defensive great. You should watch Emanuel Augustus. He was pretty good at making low level competition miss, yet whenever he fought a top opponent all of his holes were exposed.

  • @JcLeopard
    @JcLeopard 14 років тому

    @swedishduude I think they only fought once. I watch the fight all the way through and see if I spot that moment. If not maybe it is one of his other smaller fights.

  • @snoop11080
    @snoop11080 13 років тому

    @Transformers217 thats true but before they striped him of his title the guy couldnt be touched

  • @uglybabashouse2
    @uglybabashouse2 14 років тому

    Nice vid man, could you tell me the name of the song that starts when the muhammad ali part starts

  • @TheMwenyeji
    @TheMwenyeji 14 років тому

    great vid,but again i wud have liked to see floyd more.He made sugar shane look normal.

  • @smarmie
    @smarmie 15 років тому

    I'd like you to add Marlon Starling too... if another video comes ogg

  • @TheGreatA
    @TheGreatA  14 років тому

    You can count the amount of times Ali was hit in his 1960's prime on one hand.

  • @SanDiegosGreatest
    @SanDiegosGreatest 11 років тому

    holy shit good catch.

  • @TheGreatA
    @TheGreatA  13 років тому

    @mwhitbc
    If you want to see how good his defense is at top level, watch his fight against Mayweather.

  • @takethatprunetracy
    @takethatprunetracy 14 років тому

    @TheGreatA
    Really? Good to know...well, I guess that's the best reason for only having a bit of film on him...thanks for the post nonetheless...

  • @TheGreatA
    @TheGreatA  15 років тому

    Sorry about the Mayweather part ending up a little short. UA-cam wouldn't allow the video to go on any longer than 11 minutes.
    I'm aware that some of the fighters included here might not be what I'd describe as "defensive artists", for example Ali got hit a ton later on in his career and Duran was hardly defensive, but they were added to bring some variety to the video with their particular styles.
    I've been working on a third part but it'll take me a while until I finish that.

  • @soveranos12
    @soveranos12 10 років тому

    hey thegreatA whats the name of the song on the mayweather frag.?? can u help i like it alot

  • @nooooooooooize
    @nooooooooooize 13 років тому

    @TheGreatA exactly...i can't even believe his name was mentioned.

  • @katyleigh9978
    @katyleigh9978 10 років тому +2

    What is the name of that first song?

    • @desblu2
      @desblu2 8 років тому

      Yeah what is it?

  • @joshuauribe
    @joshuauribe 12 років тому

    thats how you know joe louis is the best! watch him and walcott you see how amazing joe is hahah walcott just slipped a couple jabs but so did joe!

  • @JoshSmith222
    @JoshSmith222 10 років тому

    Walcotts career is pretty loaded with KO's, from Marciano, Charles, Louis, etc. Hard to call him all time great defensively when he was blitzed that many times…Camacho was one of the few guys who made boxing seem like a relatively harmless endeavor and seems more deserving...

    • @procioneintubato
      @procioneintubato 10 років тому +3

      Walcott got koed either by naturally bigger and stronger guys or when he was well past it, but in his prime that guy was a very slippery customer.

  • @TheGreatA
    @TheGreatA  15 років тому

    I ran out of time, youtube has a limit of 10 minutes 59 seconds. Canto along with some others were originally included but I couldn't fit the whole video here.
    I've been planning on doing a third part for a while now but I haven't had had the time and there is still some footage that I need to acquire.

  • @Alltimeboxing
    @Alltimeboxing 14 років тому

    I think you included a lot of good head movements but you neglected the blow blocking part.
    I would have liked to see some Joe Louis blocking skills, you can also find that on Joe Gans or Jack Johnsons footages. Do you know that these guys used to catch even jabs with their glove open ? and Johnson used to hit his opponents biceps to tire them.. could be awesome to find that..
    great vids though.