So basically, these are not "Requirements" if you can install Windows 11 anyway. It is, in fact, just recommended system hardware. This is lazy monopolistic behavior on the part of Micro$oft, and loosing market share is only part of what they deserve for it.
Like it or not, but the IT world nowadays is more security minded than ever before. Apparently also MS has decided to step up their game in this regard. With it comes the use of the TPM module. This is all about security. For the other system requirements, maybe/probably not security related but this one is.
@@trippy_boxer_dog2170 It's not very difficult to do. Just Google it, pick a method, and follow the instructions. I favour the method of using Rufus V4 running on another Windows 11 PC to create a modified Windows 11 USB install drive.
If Windows does not enable installing Windows 11 on so-called unsupported PCs and would be needlessly forcing people to buy new PCs, European Commission might take a long hard look and come up with some big fat fine totally not worth the Microsoft's effort to boost up PC sales (and increase e-waste in the process).
Also people these days just cant afford to go out and buy a new pc just to run windows 11 like every computer in our house is from 2012 or 13 and windows 11 runs great on all of them.
Well the EU better move fast then as M$ is doing all they can to scare people into buying next expensive hardware. This PC I'm using is 12 years old and ran Win 11 fine from day one but since going to 24H2 things have slowed down. I'm thinking of restoring my 23H2 image and see what happens.
Not just Europe, I could see the American government going after them as well. They are more or less going to be forced to replace their entire hardware supply, and Uncle Sam does not take kindly to being forced to fork out cash.
They should make Microsoft pay for the new PCs and costs associated with recycling, since they are causing the problem and trying to sell everyone a solution.
@@BrianG61UK I windows 10 on a dual core celeron. There's ways you can debloat windows to make it bearable. And don't open too many browser tabs at once lol
Lord no...They'd also have to backpedal on ReCall and Co-Pilot, and allow unfettered use of local username/passwords, along with LAN networking without a Microsoft account. Windows is just too in-your-face in 2025 to be an OS I would install on my computers (except as maybe a secondary OS on a multi-boot system for playing games.) Two of my systems ARE Windows 11 compliant, and even they have been moved over to ZorinOS. Also that M4 Mac Mini for $499, looks mighty sexy and affordable. (and yes, even MacOS has a pre-determined obsolescence date, but at least Macs don't become unsafe to use online when you are no longer able to upgrade the OS.)
I recently installed Windows 11 on an unsupported PC to avoid end-of-support issues. I believe the strict TPM requirement is unnecessary. I spent $4,000 on this PC, and even today, it only uses 10-15% of its power. There's no need for an upgrade since it runs perfectly and is far from reaching its performance limits. Replacing the processor isn’t an option because it would also require replacing the motherboard, which would lead to a cascade of other hardware replacements.
If you spent 4000 in that PC I'm guessing your system is actually supported but misconfigurated and I have seen this several times lately. I mean, if the HDD you're using is older that the rest of your new parts, chances are that it has an MBR partition; if that's the case your motherboard probably auto switched to legacy mode to support that HDD which also means that TPM was disabled by default (but present in your system). So, give this a check, I think your system is probably supported but you'll need to make some changes first.
@@TheForce_Productions I didn't say I have spent it today :) It was 2017 Intel 6700k and it is still using about 10-15% of it (I am frontend dev). My point was it is still not utilized in 2024 and I don't see a reason for upgrade
I second this. I don't need a TPM chip at all and don't _want_ to use bitlocker. Bitlocker is far more likely to stop me from accessing my data than a criminal from doing so.
@@leonidas14775 totally agree on it. I guess, I can imagine it can be useful for someone in some situation, but what a sick mind made the absence of it to be a show stopper for W11, that I don't get
Wait for the EU to demand Mr Softie make changes or give money to windows 10 users to buy new machines for them and pay somebody to transfer their data from the old system to the new system. It needs to be done in the states too.
Don't hope the government does the right thing, they often don't. I plan to dual boot windows 10 (even out of support) and Linux mint for going online.
Those that do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it. This all smacks of the same attitude to its users that they had when Vista was announced. Or Windows 8. Microsoft try to get away with too much in that respect which is one reason why both Apple and Linux market share has gone up in the intervening years. This sort of user intimidation could drive Microsoft into the dirt and serves them right if it does.
You're right, but ultimately it won't really hurt Microsoft, because people will continue to buy systems that run Windows. Most people don't really care if the company that makes their operating system respects them, because all they care about is having a computer that runs their web browser and/or games. Most of the money is going to come from other businesses anyways, and any business that is already entrenched into the Microsoft ecosystem is not going to leave it unless they absolutely have to. Microsoft is big enough and entrenched enough into the market that they literally do not have to care about individual users aside from the mandatory minimum customer service. The fact that Windows 11 and 12 have been free only gives Microsoft further leeway in how they treat end-users, because people will accept a lot more crap from something they got for free than they will something they had to pay for. Meanwhile, Microsoft laughs while they're making money off of the ads they've baked into Windows, and the data they are harvesting and selling to their partners.
I run Windows 10 on Windows 11 eligible hardware and they recently switched the banner from "Windows 11 24H2 is ready for you" to "Windows 11 23H2 is ready for you", so things are not going well for Microsoft, it seems :).
Compatibility hold likely in place for one of your detected hardware devices. e.g "After installing Windows 11, version 24H2, you might experience issues discovering USB connected devices that support the eSCL (eScanner Communication Language) scan protocol," Microsoft said. "You might observe that your device does not discover the USB connected peripheral and the device discovery does not complete."
I understand people but Apple 🍏 have a long time it not easy all people can buy PCs from Apple 🍏 because to mach money and to much protection for system l think Microsoft want start having it to
I have two older devices (one is a real old laptop manufactured in 2007) and they have run Window 11 fine over the last few years. A desktop from 2011 even accepted windows 11 24h2 ok, and is running that fine (the 2007 laptop I didn't try 24h2 because the CPU is only a SSE3, so it is said it will have boot up problems and won't work...so I put a Zorin 17.2 on it, and it runs that well). Windows 11 24h2 runs fine on unsupported hardware with devices as far back as 10 tears old (even with as little as 4G Ram).
Exactly. Making this thing where they make "unsupported" Windows 11 to go without updates is like, fine, I'll just stick with Windows 10 - as you suggested. Same difference.
It's the same thing they do every time. They pushed Windows 10 on people because they were dropping support for Windows 7, and later, 8. If you stick to Windows 10 for too long, eventually you'll be part of the Windows 7 crowd, in that you'll be looked at as crazy and/or ignorant by the greater community for using an "insecure" operating system.
They use security issues as a scare tactic to get people to upgrade, but new OSs have their own set of security issues. By the time an OS "expires" it's usually pretty robust.
What the point of upgrading to WIN 11,12,13,14,15? why not just update the WIN 10 and patch the bugs or upgrade the UI ,so we don't have to switch to another windows everytime LMAO.
I used Rufus to get past the checks and runs fine, mind you I spend 90% of my time at home using Linux. Linux has it's issues but bloat and adverts isn't one of them. And you can choose a light or heavier desktop depending on hardware and taste.
I recommend dual booting linux before you're forced to switch, so you can learn how to use it and it will be a smooth transition in case microsoft tries to rugpull you.
@@aglandorf75 up until now, yes. Like i said, if updates stops or if i encounter any issues I'll just go on to linux, but people apparently don't have any issues with updates not being available on unsupported hardware.
I run Windows 11 24H2 on four unsupported PCs - two desktops from 2012 & 2014 (Core i5 3rd Gen and an E3 Xeon) and two laptops from 2012 & 2015 Core i5 2nd and 5th Gen. They get all the updates so far. The 2012 Core i5 3rd Gen with XP Pro x64 is REALLY unsupported LOL
Just a little info, if you update to win11 without TPM 2.0, all riot games will not work, they need a tpm module in win11, but not in win10. So, if you're a gamer, win 10 is still a better option. For all other, wi11 is way better
I have TPM 2.0 hardware that is running early Ryzen CPUs and that's the only reason it's not compatible. My 2500u laptop is still just fine for laptop tasks. It's cool though, I got the last few worries sorted recently (battery charge limit via software) and I think my notes are ready for a perfect Linux move. EDIT: Oh and it's an AMD chip so other than competition wank with unfriendly anti-cheat that isn't suitable for an aging laptop anyway, it's also fine for gaming.
Let me get this right.... so Microsoft basically threatened their users with, "Use supported hardware or else we're not going to deliver security updates."? LOL From the bottom of my heart, Microsoft, you can kiss my arse!
Reading between the lines, Microsoft does not want you to have a sub-optimal time under ineligible hardware, including, but not limited to, compatibility issues. The only thing you won't receive via Windows Update are feature updates aka the new build.
Already jumped to using Linux on the desktop. My old i5 (not supported for W/11) laptop is now outperforming my i7 (is supported for W/11), in terms of boot time, and speed to open programs, or basically to do just about anything. EFF-OFF Microsoft. you lost me as a result of Windowz 11.
@@brianjrichman I made the migration to Linux not too long ago. After dabbling in Linux for over a decade, it's finally become mature enough to be my OS of choice on my daily driver. I only keep one foot in the Windows universe so as to help keep older family members informed. At this point, it looks like they're going to have to migrate as well.
Oh dear, Microsoft. You are doubling down, aren't you? That's really pathetic. Really. REALLY pathetic. What's even richer is that they're telling you to go back to Windows 10. Holy shit! I thought we were supposed get out of Windows 10! Which is it, Microsoft?
@@leonidas14775 There's more to it than that. A lot of us bought a new laptop computer 1 year ago, and found that Win11 is a steep downgrade. Routine daily use of my Win10 desktop system relies too much on features missing from Win11 - e.g. Windows taskbar stacked vertically & compact on the left side; no custom taskbar to assign to Quick Launch folder (which still exists in Win11). In case you're wondering, I have 49 windows active while writing this, including 7 different web browsers with multiple tabs. I'm not the typical hobbyist doing only email & photos.
As far as I am concerned I will keep my windows 10 on all my computers. October 2025 does not frighten me. I presume that Microsoft has its own commercial idea, that focus in gaining money, money and more money. I am sure that after October 2025 windows 10 will work better than now.
Yes, little inconvenience but OK and free from Microsoft nagging no updates well what you ee you get, peace ! Still work on my older systems without any worry. Abandoned obsolete, forgotten, what do we care for ?
What do I think? I think this is completely unnecessary. It's the first Windows OS that has minimum requirements. Whoever thought this was a good idea should be fired.
@@mategamer20 I have a 11900K and the performance in term of benchmark numbers is exactly the same, but you can search for latency numbers between 10 and 11 and it's night and day.
I have a feeling the official Windows 11 system requirements are as strict as they are to give Microsoft the ability to increase the system requirements in the future without actually increasing the system requirements
Microsoft needs to make it optional to opt in to the new technology as a switch, so that the experience of Windows 10 is carried over to Windows 11. But the option to opt in to the new "AI" driven tech and what not that is offered in Windows 11 should remain a optional thing to opt into, that is my biggest concern, since there is compatability issues, Microsoft needs to make it optional and not force new technology onto us that will risk damaging our devices if we don't have supported hardware installed, that's my take on the situation.
I've put it to the test, just upgraded from 10 to 11. Downloaded the 24H2 ISO from microsoft and installed it on unsupported hardware and all that was required was to press the 'accept' button during installation to say they (microsoft) are not responsible for anything. No more workarounds or buying new hardware. By the way, I have TPM but my CPU is a 6700K
I have a blank 250GB NVMe drive that I might give it a try. If I don't like it... I'll just go in the BIOS and wipe the drive. While I'm in the BIOS... I'll turn TPM back on so it will install. We shall see how it goes. Take care everyone. Cheers from the States.
Never updating to that piece of crap ui on Windows 11 and a start menu that doesn't auto show the apps as default and its an extra clicky. I will stick with Windows 10 until stuff starts being unsupported.
Running Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC on a 4th gen Intel i5 processor. No TPM chip either. System is running as well as any Windows PC can. I even had Windows 11 running on a gen 2 i5 as well.
Somehow I can't imagine anyone who has an incompatible computer still under manufacturers warranty. My PC is fast enough, has 20 gigs of ram and a compatible graphics card the cpu (i5-4590 CPU @ 3.30GHz) just isn't new enough.
Every NEW pc has a windows licence paid for in the price of the pc as a guess,so its a microsoft profit situation unless im missing something, because any windows 10 machine updates to 11 for free (requirements met ha-ha). windows 10 was free to download and install but needed a licence at the cost to consumer. it makes sense for microsoft to want people to buy pc,s as its money via a licence,anyone with windows 10 has already paid for the licence once so no gain for microsoft when you upgrade via the update system so this news could mean less money for them i guess.
Not only that, but the reason they are forcing so many older systems out of the game is because I can take my 13 year old laptop (which came with Windows 7) and upgrade it to Windows 11 for free by bypassing Microsoft's arbitrary system "requirements", and have a legitimate OEM key for it. They don't like that. They like to rake in as much cash as possible, and older systems are their current roadblock keeping them from that.
Microsoft could easily lower the hardware requirements, if they wanted to. They are completely unjustified. And with a bit of effort they could even make win 11 reliable, if they wanted to. Win 11 is the worst OS they have ever produced. Both according to statistics, feedback and actual use. To lure people over to win 11 is not the way to go. They should make it better, and then we could accept it.
Why operating systems keep getting bigger and filled with adware etc. it’s there to allow one to access files, have a nice gui etc… I remember when an OS came on a few floppies and had multi tasking, gui, text to speech etc, and only 2 floppies were needed. This is clearly planned obsolescence as they want everyone to move to newer hardware with built in spyware. I mean windows recall should be a big red flag.
*I've been using Windows 11 on my laptop from 2012 and it works great. No compatibility issues, no errors. I do get this odd thing where the taskbar icons disappear when waking from sleep but they are still there but transparent. A restart fixes it or clicking the icon where they are brings them back. But it seems this is a windows 11 bug as a lot of people have this issue. Microsoft is a money grubby company. If my 12 year old laptop with only TPM 1.2 can run Windows 11 any computer can.*
So I did a technique of making a hybrid installer for W11 from W10 original media to get Windows 11 on my laptop which the CPU is not quite in the requirements. It works fine and I get updates. Am I likely to stop getting updates?
Microsoft is not getting desperate to move users to Windows 11. They are doing due diligence to ensure no one is taken by surprise by end of windows 10 support. The vast majority of people have no clue what and when end of support is or is impact on them. Hell most users can not even say with any degree of certainty which version of windows (10 or 11) they are running. Apple is the true master of obsoleting hardware with new OS, but get Zero grief about it. Not everything Microsoft does is intended to personally slight or hurt you.
so, if installing windows 11 on a unsupported device means its not going to get updates and so on, why do the upgrade? I mean Windows 10 is no longer supported and you wont get any support on Windows 11. so I say stick with windows 10. at least you know it will work for your PC.
One of the horrible things I hate about Windows 11 (and updated Windows 10) is the junk they put on the taskbar that no one needs. The dumb searh box with a little picture in it. Really? What is that for exactly? Oh and let's stick the weather on the taskbar too while we're at it. And most people just leave it there forever because they think it just has to be there now...
It's okay to Install Windows 11 on Unsupported PCs like Intel Gen 6-7, or without TPM 2.0, as long as the PC is from the Year 2015 above, the Minimum RAM is 4 GB, and the Minimum Storage is 64 GB Above.
Win11 23H2 is ok on my i5-3570, i5-4590, i7-4790 and also on my Aspire Pentium 2.2 Mhz. The Win11 24H2 no longer wants my printer (Brother DCP-385C), declared incompatible while recognizing the scanner part... Win11 23H2 end of live 11/2025, i migrated to Win10 LTSC 2021 21H2 e.o.l 01/2027 (2032 if Iot version). I 'll see later...
@@Terry-TDK Yes, as I did for my different pcs, there are methods to burn the iso of Windows with the necessary instructions, the software Rufus is our ally in this case. A good way ua-cam.com/video/8eeBMkqsBmk/v-deo.html 😉
The only issue with my PC was the processor was not supported it meets all other requirements, am I miss-understanding (a) can I now go onto the Microsoft site and install Windows 11 and get that warning or (b) does the installation still require a workaround, as usual things from Microsoft are clear as mud, but at the end of the day I would still have a system with no support come next year be it 10 or 11? but at least their stats would show an increase in Windows 11 users...
I started on a secondhand PC at home using Windows 95 in 1998, then needed more RAM to upgrade to Windows 98, and so it goes on & they never seem to be any more useful than the previous version.
My question is: what are people with older hardware supposed to do? if you run a perfectly functioning machine, that performs all the tasks you throw at it - are you supposed to e-waste it? There will be no Windows version with support available next year for anything with 7th generation intel Core processors or older. You'd be hard pressed to tell a 7th generation i5 from a 13th generation, unless you run particular benchmarks or look up the systeminformation. In my private and professional environment I see a lot of people using gen 4 - 7. And why not? The extra safety provided by TPM is not that big of a deal; There have been tons of new safety features that just got implemented on new devices without bricking older devices. Why would that be different this time? In my house I have a mix of older and newer devices. For maintenance reasons I prefer all of them on one OS version. that is Win 10 today. I can install 11 on older devices, bypassing requirements (and I probably will). But i keep a stick with Linux Mint ready, for when things get quirky or dark.
For my old Win10 dedicated computer I'd do this except that it definitely sounds like there will be problems, so I might have to still let it ride out on 10.
My pc has higher specs than my surface laptop 2, yet only the surface gets win 11. I have twice the ram, a higher end gfx card and cpu, I just don’t get that.
I really like how Windows 11 looks and the improvements compared to Windows 10. I'm using since it was released, and back then I had unsupported hardware (Core 2 Quad DDR2 GT1030). Since I've moved to a better PC (5600X 2060S) I feel like the system is buggier every day a little bit more. Some random BSODs or just restarting out of nowhere and some slow downs on the interface just because. I don't know what they're up to, but my experience with unsupported hardware was better. I might just go back to Windows 10 even if the file explorer and settings app sucks compared to 11. Every update I'm afraid about new problems.
I've got W11 running nicely on a Toshiba Tegra 3rd gen i3 and 8gb with an SSD. Ok, it's not playing many games or rendering anything quickly but for programming and office stuff is perfectly fine. I use Linux more on it though. There are some things W11 does better, little things like search on Task Manager and the window arrangement if you hover over the min/max buttons. Copilot and Cortana can do one though.
My system upgraded itself to Win-11, but since then has failed to upgrade it beyond version 22H2 saying it doesn't meet its absurd HW requirements. Given that up until the stupid "CoPliot" and "Recall" features that nobody asked for or wants, Win-11 is just a different coat of paint over Win-10 that runs great on my system (especially with the OpenShell desktop UI that runs rings around Microsoft's completely lame one) - this is ridiculous. If they wanted people to switch everything to Win-11, they shouldn't have made it so it won't run on 80% of the systems on the planet - for no good reason at all! Pushing this out during a global chip shortage seems like a bone they threw to PC hardware vendors, that will continue to be a huge problem as less than intelligent grifter Donald Trump again sets his sights on destroying the U.S. economy with his idiotic tariff threats. Everyone in the U.S. is likely going to be sitting tight with what ever PC hardware they have for at least the next 5 years - and maybe beyond...
Dear customer , if your PC does not meet the minimum requirements for Windows 11, we recommend to switch to Linux (any distro you want, it is for free). Best regards, Microsoft.
When you need regulations the most, like in this case, there aren’t any… No scrutiny on Microsoft attempting to end support of Windows 10 from the EU and friends? Nobody?
I am probably one of the few people out here that actually likes windows 11 overall. There are a few things I absolutely dis-like about it too. I build my own computers, and have had a "compatible" system for quite some time. I've installed windows 11 on an old Toshiba laptop that is NOT "compatible" with no issues. I've only ran into a couple of small issues getting older(from the 90s and early 2000s) software to work. Most of which stem from the installers being 16 bit although the games are 32 bit....go figure. Although I like windows 11, I really hate some of the things that are being forced on us like recall, and the Co-Pilot. Thankfully my processor is not eligible for the Co-Pilot feature. I don't believe that the OS should run my machine in any way that I don't approve and am able to set parameters for. There are classic settings I wish they would bring back from the XP/7 days like classic toolbar, start menus, and color settings for active and inactive window title bars. Although I just went on a rant about it, windows 11 feels "right" for some reason like the way windows XP and 7 did in their day. I remember when I first went from 98 to XP. I didn't like it at first, but got used to it...same thing with windows 7 from XP, and from 7 to 10 now 11.
Excellent explanations, dear brother, Please explain how to install Windows 11 alongside Windows 10 on hard drive C, which has Windows 10 installed on it , and dual boot the computer. Thank you.
24H2 is a hot mess. My computer would just go into random reboots over and over. I tried every fix I read about. Nothing worked. I went back to 23H2 and the reboot issue are gone.
Old dell and hp went to 23H2 OK. Old hp won't go to 24H2 due to processor. Old dell went to 24H2 but ran so slowly I reverted back to 23H2. I'll try 24H2 again after more bugs have been worked out.
1: Any PC too old to upgrade to Win 11 normally is too old to be under ANY manufacturer's warranty -- Duh... 2: The easiest (and I suspect, most common) way to upgrade and old machine is to use Rufus and do a clean install, so there is no downgrading back to Win 10. 3. Switching to Chrome OS would work for probably 75% of people using PCs today -- which makes me wonder if Microsquish (the biggest monopoly in the PC biz) is behind the DOJ order for Alphabet to sell off Chrome, and why Microsquish is building what is essentially a chrome box that only uses their software.
It's okay to hope. Oh, you never know with MS. One day they say one thing, the next day something completely different. So it could be that they relax the CPU requirement. There is no logic to set the limit at 7th gen. Because 6th and 7th gen are practically identical. The same applies to 6th-8th gen. So here it's just someone who has set a limit for the sake of setting a limit without thinking about the consequences. Hopeless scheme by MS. But there could be a "sneaky" reduction in the CPU requirement when they have removed the gen info.
They want to have their cake and eat it too. If there are enough holdouts when support is supposed to end, they'll cave and extend support. Until then expect more scare tactics.
Where they state that unsupported machines are not eligible to receive updates, Windows 11 on such a machine, is still unsupported, and the machine might as well remain on Windows 10.
I just wonder if after EOL of Win 10 if M$ will do an update to Win 11 machines on old hardware saying that they will no longer receive Win 11 updates..
According to that Microsoft article: "When Windows 11 is installed on a device that doesn't meet the minimum system requirements, a watermark is added to the Windows 11 desktop." Is a watermark indeed added to the desktop of PC's that are upgraded and don't meet minimum requirements?
If I want to replace my current computer with a new one, should be my decision! Understanding MS is evolving technically, however, if the OS can still be run on an older machine, why dictate to those of us to spend money of which we may not have such resources for new hardware, where current systems still work for our use? So the policy change is better than the nasty wall they originally stated on upgrading the newer OS.
MS is being vague on what could happen to your pc if you upgrade but, there's no point in upgrading if you are not going to get updates. They got more than a few month's, more like ten, to give more detail on why we should not upgrade and what could happen. Is there something in the new software that is so different that it won't run on older machines or is because they want to take advantage of new pc features that allow them to spy on us? As my pc is 15 years olds and works fine, MS is in business to make money and the pc manufactures are probably pushing MS to provide a reason so they can make more money too.
The support page also says a watermark is added to unsupported PCs. Has anyone seen this? I have not had a chance to test this as I have switched to Linux on most of my computers.
The only compatibility issue I have, is with Microsoft. That bloated pig they call Windows hans't been relevant in a long time. Still users are abused as beta testers. My hardware isn't unsupported, but you are, Micro$oft.
If your PC doesn't meet the requirements, how are Microsoft meant to show your the AD's they want to fill your PC with?? NONE of these are for security, simply revenue making. I have 2 PC's on Windows 11, the one that DOES support Windows 11 WILL NOT run Fortnite, the one that doesn't support runs Fortnite just fine. On the PC that DOES support Win 11, to play Fortnite I have to reboot into another SSD with Windows 10 on it...explain this one Microcrap.......both PC's are running the very latest Fortnite update. The lack of this game alone would be stopping MILLIONS of users from upgrading to Windows 11, not supporting or breaking a MAJOR game is BIG MISTAKE.......
Why no body created usb key with tpm 2.0 ??? Over solution installing windows 11 ltsc ( no tpm requierement) but needed patch for register it or beeing a multinational 😅😅
If Microsoft want people to upgrade to Windows 11 they should replace their stupid, artificial hardware requirements with the real requirement that the processor needs to implement the POPCNT instruction in order to install Windows 11 24H2. All x86 processors made in the last 15 years or so support this. If your processor does not support that instruction, then the OS just wont boot. Also, they should fully support the windows 10 start menu and start screens as configuration options to make migration and use of windows 11 seamless.
This is a pointless exercise by microsoft if they are not supported these pcs Microsost is not doing enough there is going to be 000"s of pc's going as e-waste at this environmentally sensitive time My PC has been updated to Windows 10 and l increased the ram it works fine and is stable there must be many people like me,Microsoft needs to do more
So basically, these are not "Requirements" if you can install Windows 11 anyway. It is, in fact, just recommended system hardware. This is lazy monopolistic behavior on the part of Micro$oft, and loosing market share is only part of what they deserve for it.
I'm assuming that these "system reqs" will be required for Windows 12. Windows 11 is prob just prep for Windows 12
Like it or not, but the IT world nowadays is more security minded than ever before. Apparently also MS has decided to step up their game in this regard. With it comes the use of the TPM module. This is all about security. For the other system requirements, maybe/probably not security related but this one is.
but to install it without the requirements...you still need to jump through hoops to actually install it
@@trippy_boxer_dog2170 It's not very difficult to do. Just Google it, pick a method, and follow the instructions. I favour the method of using Rufus V4 running on another Windows 11 PC to create a modified Windows 11 USB install drive.
@@yerunski Actually, CPUs that fully meet the requirements do have some extra security features that can help stop malware infections.
If Windows does not enable installing Windows 11 on so-called unsupported PCs and would be needlessly forcing people to buy new PCs, European Commission might take a long hard look and come up with some big fat fine totally not worth the Microsoft's effort to boost up PC sales (and increase e-waste in the process).
Also people these days just cant afford to go out and buy a new pc just to run windows 11 like every computer in our house is from 2012 or 13 and windows 11 runs great on all of them.
Yeah, the question is, of course, when are they going to do it.
Well the EU better move fast then as M$ is doing all they can to scare people into buying next expensive hardware. This PC I'm using is 12 years old and ran Win 11 fine from day one but since going to 24H2 things have slowed down. I'm thinking of restoring my 23H2 image and see what happens.
Not just Europe, I could see the American government going after them as well. They are more or less going to be forced to replace their entire hardware supply, and Uncle Sam does not take kindly to being forced to fork out cash.
They should make Microsoft pay for the new PCs and costs associated with recycling, since they are causing the problem and trying to sell everyone a solution.
Environmentally irresponsible to lead people toward retiring their existing P.C.s. Someone needs to take them to task about that.
My business is actually now advertising people to not throw away there hardware, rather allow us to extend its life by installing an alternative OS.
If microsoft wants everyone will use windows 11they need simply removing this annoying requirements. It's easy
I wont install W11 even if they remove the requirements (in fact my system is sopported), it is awful and horrible.
Yeah but those who followed the recommendations are going to be pissed best case scenario window 11s mod to deal with the European
@@TheForce_Productions So is Windows 10. Especially on slow PCs.
@@BrianG61UK I windows 10 on a dual core celeron. There's ways you can debloat windows to make it bearable. And don't open too many browser tabs at once lol
Lord no...They'd also have to backpedal on ReCall and Co-Pilot, and allow unfettered use of local username/passwords, along with LAN networking without a Microsoft account. Windows is just too in-your-face in 2025 to be an OS I would install on my computers (except as maybe a secondary OS on a multi-boot system for playing games.) Two of my systems ARE Windows 11 compliant, and even they have been moved over to ZorinOS. Also that M4 Mac Mini for $499, looks mighty sexy and affordable. (and yes, even MacOS has a pre-determined obsolescence date, but at least Macs don't become unsafe to use online when you are no longer able to upgrade the OS.)
I recently installed Windows 11 on an unsupported PC to avoid end-of-support issues. I believe the strict TPM requirement is unnecessary. I spent $4,000 on this PC, and even today, it only uses 10-15% of its power. There's no need for an upgrade since it runs perfectly and is far from reaching its performance limits. Replacing the processor isn’t an option because it would also require replacing the motherboard, which would lead to a cascade of other hardware replacements.
You spent 4,000 on a PC but it doesn't support fTPM? Almost every motherboard and CPU made since 2017 should have firmware TPM?
If you spent 4000 in that PC I'm guessing your system is actually supported but misconfigurated and I have seen this several times lately. I mean, if the HDD you're using is older that the rest of your new parts, chances are that it has an MBR partition; if that's the case your motherboard probably auto switched to legacy mode to support that HDD which also means that TPM was disabled by default (but present in your system). So, give this a check, I think your system is probably supported but you'll need to make some changes first.
@@TheForce_Productions I didn't say I have spent it today :) It was 2017 Intel 6700k and it is still using about 10-15% of it (I am frontend dev). My point was it is still not utilized in 2024 and I don't see a reason for upgrade
I second this. I don't need a TPM chip at all and don't _want_ to use bitlocker. Bitlocker is far more likely to stop me from accessing my data than a criminal from doing so.
@@leonidas14775 totally agree on it. I guess, I can imagine it can be useful for someone in some situation, but what a sick mind made the absence of it to be a show stopper for W11, that I don't get
Microsoft are saying to everyone "stop being poor and buy a new computer".
Wait for the EU to demand Mr Softie make changes or give money to windows 10 users to buy new machines for them and pay somebody to transfer their data from the old system to the new system. It needs to be done in the states too.
Don't hope the government does the right thing, they often don't. I plan to dual boot windows 10 (even out of support) and Linux mint for going online.
Those that do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it.
This all smacks of the same attitude to its users that they had when Vista was announced. Or Windows 8. Microsoft try to get away with too much in that respect which is one reason why both Apple and Linux market share has gone up in the intervening years. This sort of user intimidation could drive Microsoft into the dirt and serves them right if it does.
I agree. Micro$oft are way too complacent here.
You're right, but ultimately it won't really hurt Microsoft, because people will continue to buy systems that run Windows. Most people don't really care if the company that makes their operating system respects them, because all they care about is having a computer that runs their web browser and/or games. Most of the money is going to come from other businesses anyways, and any business that is already entrenched into the Microsoft ecosystem is not going to leave it unless they absolutely have to. Microsoft is big enough and entrenched enough into the market that they literally do not have to care about individual users aside from the mandatory minimum customer service. The fact that Windows 11 and 12 have been free only gives Microsoft further leeway in how they treat end-users, because people will accept a lot more crap from something they got for free than they will something they had to pay for. Meanwhile, Microsoft laughs while they're making money off of the ads they've baked into Windows, and the data they are harvesting and selling to their partners.
I run Windows 10 on Windows 11 eligible hardware and they recently switched the banner from "Windows 11 24H2 is ready for you" to "Windows 11 23H2 is ready for you", so things are not going well for Microsoft, it seems :).
Compatibility hold likely in place for one of your detected hardware devices.
e.g "After installing Windows 11, version 24H2, you might experience issues discovering USB connected devices that support the eSCL (eScanner Communication Language) scan protocol," Microsoft said. "You might observe that your device does not discover the USB connected peripheral and the device discovery does not complete."
I froze mine at 23H2 because every time I would check the news about 24H2 it had some big problem.
I understand people but Apple 🍏 have a long time it not easy all people can buy PCs from Apple 🍏 because to mach money and to much protection for system l think Microsoft want start having it to
@@lewishenriques4690 Huh? Didn't understand what you're saying. At all.
I'm waiting for Windows 12 and what does it have to offer, Windows 11 has nothing valuable that worth the change at all.
Well it has a lot of changes and features but each to their own.
Quite the opposite actually. Some useful features are removed in win11 which were present in win10
A couple of months away isn't quite October 2025..
Before you know it, it will be.
@@Connie_TinuityError Only if you live in a cave, dumba$$!
A few months than
I have two older devices (one is a real old laptop manufactured in 2007) and they have run Window 11 fine over the last few years. A desktop from 2011 even accepted windows 11 24h2 ok, and is running that fine (the 2007 laptop I didn't try 24h2 because the CPU is only a SSE3, so it is said it will have boot up problems and won't work...so I put a Zorin 17.2 on it, and it runs that well). Windows 11 24h2 runs fine on unsupported hardware with devices as far back as 10 tears old (even with as little as 4G Ram).
None of my PCs support 11. I'm going to dual boot 10 and linux mint on them, and use linux when I go online.
23h2 as well
I am amused how they try to use 'end of support' as a reason to move to win11
Exactly. Making this thing where they make "unsupported" Windows 11 to go without updates is like, fine, I'll just stick with Windows 10 - as you suggested. Same difference.
It's the same thing they do every time. They pushed Windows 10 on people because they were dropping support for Windows 7, and later, 8. If you stick to Windows 10 for too long, eventually you'll be part of the Windows 7 crowd, in that you'll be looked at as crazy and/or ignorant by the greater community for using an "insecure" operating system.
They use security issues as a scare tactic to get people to upgrade, but new OSs have their own set of security issues. By the time an OS "expires" it's usually pretty robust.
What the point of upgrading to WIN 11,12,13,14,15? why not just update the WIN 10 and patch the bugs or upgrade the UI ,so we don't have to switch to another windows everytime LMAO.
Updated to win11 on my unsupported laptop (hp probook 6570b) running smooth, if issues should arise I'll just use linux, not a big deal.
I used Rufus to get past the checks and runs fine, mind you I spend 90% of my time at home using Linux.
Linux has it's issues but bloat and adverts isn't one of them. And you can choose a light or heavier desktop depending on hardware and taste.
@@MrThebigcheese75 One of the best experiences I've ever had was using Linux, I'd recommend Linux Mint for new users.
I recommend dual booting linux before you're forced to switch, so you can learn how to use it and it will be a smooth transition in case microsoft tries to rugpull you.
Question: But what about Windows Updates? That article said you do not get Windows Updates on unsupported hardware. Do you get Updates?
@@aglandorf75 up until now, yes. Like i said, if updates stops or if i encounter any issues I'll just go on to linux, but people apparently don't have any issues with updates not being available on unsupported hardware.
Other way round, Windows 11 does not meet MY requirements....😂😂😂
The right answer.
I also installed win10 on newly purchased win11 pc 😂
I run Windows 11 24H2 on four unsupported PCs - two desktops from 2012 & 2014 (Core i5 3rd Gen and an E3 Xeon) and two laptops from 2012 & 2015 Core i5 2nd and 5th Gen. They get all the updates so far.
The 2012 Core i5 3rd Gen with XP Pro x64 is REALLY unsupported LOL
When the W10 EOL date approaches, I'll be joining the ESU program for a year (30$), that gives me two years of runway from now, then I'll decide...
Just a little info, if you update to win11 without TPM 2.0, all riot games will not work, they need a tpm module in win11, but not in win10. So, if you're a gamer, win 10 is still a better option. For all other, wi11 is way better
I have TPM 2.0 hardware that is running early Ryzen CPUs and that's the only reason it's not compatible. My 2500u laptop is still just fine for laptop tasks.
It's cool though, I got the last few worries sorted recently (battery charge limit via software) and I think my notes are ready for a perfect Linux move.
EDIT: Oh and it's an AMD chip so other than competition wank with unfriendly anti-cheat that isn't suitable for an aging laptop anyway, it's also fine for gaming.
Let me get this right.... so Microsoft basically threatened their users with, "Use supported hardware or else we're not going to deliver security updates."? LOL
From the bottom of my heart, Microsoft, you can kiss my arse!
Reading between the lines, Microsoft does not want you to have a sub-optimal time under ineligible hardware, including, but not limited to, compatibility issues.
The only thing you won't receive via Windows Update are feature updates aka the new build.
Already jumped to using Linux on the desktop. My old i5 (not supported for W/11) laptop is now outperforming my i7 (is supported for W/11), in terms of boot time, and speed to open programs, or basically to do just about anything. EFF-OFF Microsoft. you lost me as a result of Windowz 11.
@@brianjrichman I made the migration to Linux not too long ago. After dabbling in Linux for over a decade, it's finally become mature enough to be my OS of choice on my daily driver.
I only keep one foot in the Windows universe so as to help keep older family members informed. At this point, it looks like they're going to have to migrate as well.
Oh dear, Microsoft. You are doubling down, aren't you? That's really pathetic. Really. REALLY pathetic. What's even richer is that they're telling you to go back to Windows 10. Holy shit! I thought we were supposed get out of Windows 10! Which is it, Microsoft?
They're finding out that people just don't care for upgrading their PCs like they used to. Especially with out of control inflation
@@leonidas14775 There's more to it than that. A lot of us bought a new laptop computer 1 year ago, and found that Win11 is a steep downgrade. Routine daily use of my Win10 desktop system relies too much on features missing from Win11 - e.g. Windows taskbar stacked vertically & compact on the left side; no custom taskbar to assign to Quick Launch folder (which still exists in Win11). In case you're wondering, I have 49 windows active while writing this, including 7 different web browsers with multiple tabs. I'm not the typical hobbyist doing only email & photos.
As far as I am concerned I will keep my windows 10 on all my computers. October 2025 does not frighten me. I presume that Microsoft has its own commercial idea, that focus in gaining money, money and more money. I am sure that after October 2025 windows 10 will work better than now.
Yes, little inconvenience but OK and free from Microsoft nagging no updates well what you ee you get, peace ! Still work on my older systems without any worry. Abandoned obsolete, forgotten, what do we care for ?
What do I think? I think this is completely unnecessary. It's the first Windows OS that has minimum requirements. Whoever thought this was a good idea should be fired.
No it isn't, all Windows versions have had minimum requirements. What do you mean exactly?
I have 2 unsupported laptops running Windows 11 24H2 & they both work great, even better than Windows 10 ever did.
This can't be true.
@@radosuaf It is I'm running tiny 11 and still getting win 11 updates
@@mategamer20 Windows 11 cannot run better than 10, especially on older hardware. I've yet to see somebody prove me otherwise.
@radosuaf I'm running pentium and still it runs good cus it's not real win 11 it's stripped down
@@mategamer20 I have a 11900K and the performance in term of benchmark numbers is exactly the same, but you can search for latency numbers between 10 and 11 and it's night and day.
So if you start having issues they recommend you go back to something they're getting ready to pull the plug on. Yeah......
My 24h2 working fine with no issues
I have a feeling the official Windows 11 system requirements are as strict as they are to give Microsoft the ability to increase the system requirements in the future without actually increasing the system requirements
Microsoft needs to make it optional to opt in to the new technology as a switch, so that the experience of Windows 10 is carried over to Windows 11. But the option to opt in to the new "AI" driven tech and what not that is offered in Windows 11 should remain a optional thing to opt into, that is my biggest concern, since there is compatability issues, Microsoft needs to make it optional and not force new technology onto us that will risk damaging our devices if we don't have supported hardware installed, that's my take on the situation.
I downgraded to windows 10 on my windows 11 laptop
Ok do it has problems?
*upgraded :)
This, I believe, is purely a CYA so they don't get sued. "You had the option to install the upgrade, you just chose not to."
I've put it to the test, just upgraded from 10 to 11. Downloaded the 24H2 ISO from microsoft and installed it on unsupported hardware and all that was required was to press the 'accept' button during installation to say they (microsoft) are not responsible for anything. No more workarounds or buying new hardware. By the way, I have TPM but my CPU is a 6700K
I have a blank 250GB NVMe drive that I might give it a try. If I don't like it... I'll just go in the BIOS and wipe the drive. While I'm in the BIOS... I'll turn TPM back on so it will install. We shall see how it goes. Take care everyone. Cheers from the States.
Still uses my windows 7 machine as an offline retro emulation machine.
Linux can be installed on hardware that can't even run Windows 7. Microsoft needs to get good.
Never updating to that piece of crap ui on Windows 11 and a start menu that doesn't auto show the apps as default and its an extra clicky. I will stick with Windows 10 until stuff starts being unsupported.
I bought a new laptop, To be fair my last one was purchased in 2012. I will use Rufus and install Windows 11 on it.
If MS suggests me that I buy a new PC, I suggest MS that they provide me the funds to do it.
I'm running Windows 11 on my i4790k and I have to say it's an amazing experience. Literally no plans to upgrade
Running Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC on a 4th gen Intel i5 processor. No TPM chip either. System is running as well as any Windows PC can. I even had Windows 11 running on a gen 2 i5 as well.
ive got win 11 on a galaxy tab it runs lovely with only 4gb ram a quad cpu.
I'm using Window's 11 on my modern machine & seriously it's pretty smooth 😍😍
Somehow I can't imagine anyone who has an incompatible computer still under manufacturers warranty. My PC is fast enough, has 20 gigs of ram and a compatible graphics card the cpu (i5-4590 CPU @ 3.30GHz) just isn't new enough.
Every NEW pc has a windows licence paid for in the price of the pc as a guess,so its a microsoft profit situation unless im missing something, because any windows 10 machine updates to 11 for free (requirements met ha-ha). windows 10 was free to download and install but needed a licence at the cost to consumer. it makes sense for microsoft to want people to buy pc,s as its money via a licence,anyone with windows 10 has already paid for the licence once so no gain for microsoft when you upgrade via the update system so this news could mean less money for them i guess.
Not only that, but the reason they are forcing so many older systems out of the game is because I can take my 13 year old laptop (which came with Windows 7) and upgrade it to Windows 11 for free by bypassing Microsoft's arbitrary system "requirements", and have a legitimate OEM key for it. They don't like that. They like to rake in as much cash as possible, and older systems are their current roadblock keeping them from that.
I have a PC that i installed win 11 on unsupported hardware just to see what would happen, a test mule, running great, my main PC runs Linux Mint,
Microsoft could easily lower the hardware requirements, if they wanted to. They are completely unjustified.
And with a bit of effort they could even make win 11 reliable, if they wanted to.
Win 11 is the worst OS they have ever produced. Both according to statistics, feedback and actual use.
To lure people over to win 11 is not the way to go. They should make it better, and then we could accept it.
they're hypocrites claiming to be "carbon neutral" while pulling stunts like this, thus creating e-waste
Let's not move to Windows 11 until there's no Disclaimer.
Lets just not move to Windows 11 at all ;)
@@rustandmagic Linux?
go to Windows 7
Let's damage the pc if you go windows 11 without disclaimer
Nah, the disclaimer can stay.
Why operating systems keep getting bigger and filled with adware etc. it’s there to allow one to access files, have a nice gui etc… I remember when an OS came on a few floppies and had multi tasking, gui, text to speech etc, and only 2 floppies were needed.
This is clearly planned obsolescence as they want everyone to move to newer hardware with built in spyware. I mean windows recall should be a big red flag.
*I've been using Windows 11 on my laptop from 2012 and it works great. No compatibility issues, no errors. I do get this odd thing where the taskbar icons disappear when waking from sleep but they are still there but transparent. A restart fixes it or clicking the icon where they are brings them back. But it seems this is a windows 11 bug as a lot of people have this issue. Microsoft is a money grubby company. If my 12 year old laptop with only TPM 1.2 can run Windows 11 any computer can.*
So I did a technique of making a hybrid installer for W11 from W10 original media to get Windows 11 on my laptop which the CPU is not quite in the requirements. It works fine and I get updates. Am I likely to stop getting updates?
Microsoft is not getting desperate to move users to Windows 11. They are doing due diligence to ensure no one is taken by surprise by end of windows 10 support. The vast majority of people have no clue what and when end of support is or is impact on them. Hell most users can not even say with any degree of certainty which version of windows (10 or 11) they are running. Apple is the true master of obsoleting hardware with new OS, but get Zero grief about it. Not everything Microsoft does is intended to personally slight or hurt you.
so, if installing windows 11 on a unsupported device means its not going to get updates and so on, why do the upgrade? I mean Windows 10 is no longer supported and you wont get any support on Windows 11. so I say stick with windows 10. at least you know it will work for your PC.
One of the horrible things I hate about Windows 11 (and updated Windows 10) is the junk they put on the taskbar that no one needs. The dumb searh box with a little picture in it. Really? What is that for exactly? Oh and let's stick the weather on the taskbar too while we're at it. And most people just leave it there forever because they think it just has to be there now...
you can turn off search suggestions, and news and interests, and widgets, but yes, the extra junk you have to then remove is annoying.
It's okay to Install Windows 11 on Unsupported PCs like Intel Gen 6-7, or without TPM 2.0, as long as the PC is from the Year 2015 above, the Minimum RAM is 4 GB, and the Minimum Storage is 64 GB Above.
Yes, it's Correct bro!
Win11 23H2 is ok on my i5-3570, i5-4590, i7-4790 and also on my Aspire Pentium 2.2 Mhz. The Win11 24H2 no longer wants my printer (Brother DCP-385C), declared incompatible while recognizing the scanner part... Win11 23H2 end of live 11/2025, i migrated to Win10 LTSC 2021 21H2 e.o.l 01/2027 (2032 if Iot version). I 'll see later...
So Win 11 will install, even though it sees my desktop as UNsuported? no TPM 2.0 - Intel Core i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00 GHz - No Secure Boot
@@Terry-TDK Yes, as I did for my different pcs, there are methods to burn the iso of Windows with the necessary instructions, the software Rufus is our ally in this case. A good way ua-cam.com/video/8eeBMkqsBmk/v-deo.html 😉
The only issue with my PC was the processor was not supported it meets all other requirements, am I miss-understanding (a) can I now go onto the Microsoft site and install Windows 11 and get that warning or (b) does the installation still require a workaround, as usual things from Microsoft are clear as mud, but at the end of the day I would still have a system with no support come next year be it 10 or 11? but at least their stats would show an increase in Windows 11 users...
I started on a secondhand PC at home using Windows 95 in 1998, then needed more RAM to upgrade to Windows 98, and so it goes on & they never seem to be any more useful than the previous version.
My question is: what are people with older hardware supposed to do?
if you run a perfectly functioning machine, that performs all the tasks you throw at it - are you supposed to e-waste it?
There will be no Windows version with support available next year for anything with 7th generation intel Core processors or older. You'd be hard pressed to tell a 7th generation i5 from a 13th generation, unless you run particular benchmarks or look up the systeminformation.
In my private and professional environment I see a lot of people using gen 4 - 7. And why not? The extra safety provided by TPM is not that big of a deal; There have been tons of new safety features that just got implemented on new devices without bricking older devices. Why would that be different this time?
In my house I have a mix of older and newer devices. For maintenance reasons I prefer all of them on one OS version. that is Win 10 today.
I can install 11 on older devices, bypassing requirements (and I probably will). But i keep a stick with Linux Mint ready, for when things get quirky or dark.
For my old Win10 dedicated computer I'd do this except that it definitely sounds like there will be problems, so I might have to still let it ride out on 10.
My pc has higher specs than my surface laptop 2, yet only the surface gets win 11. I have twice the ram, a higher end gfx card and cpu, I just don’t get that.
Same here
I really like how Windows 11 looks and the improvements compared to Windows 10. I'm using since it was released, and back then I had unsupported hardware (Core 2 Quad DDR2 GT1030). Since I've moved to a better PC (5600X 2060S) I feel like the system is buggier every day a little bit more. Some random BSODs or just restarting out of nowhere and some slow downs on the interface just because. I don't know what they're up to, but my experience with unsupported hardware was better. I might just go back to Windows 10 even if the file explorer and settings app sucks compared to 11. Every update I'm afraid about new problems.
Been running Win 11 on unsupported hardware for several months without issue.
I've got W11 running nicely on a Toshiba Tegra 3rd gen i3 and 8gb with an SSD. Ok, it's not playing many games or rendering anything quickly but for programming and office stuff is perfectly fine.
I use Linux more on it though.
There are some things W11 does better, little things like search on Task Manager and the window arrangement if you hover over the min/max buttons.
Copilot and Cortana can do one though.
I'm sure Apple already has a marketing campaign in place for when Windows 10 expires.
My system upgraded itself to Win-11, but since then has failed to upgrade it beyond version 22H2 saying it doesn't meet its absurd HW requirements. Given that up until the stupid "CoPliot" and "Recall" features that nobody asked for or wants, Win-11 is just a different coat of paint over Win-10 that runs great on my system (especially with the OpenShell desktop UI that runs rings around Microsoft's completely lame one) - this is ridiculous. If they wanted people to switch everything to Win-11, they shouldn't have made it so it won't run on 80% of the systems on the planet - for no good reason at all! Pushing this out during a global chip shortage seems like a bone they threw to PC hardware vendors, that will continue to be a huge problem as less than intelligent grifter Donald Trump again sets his sights on destroying the U.S. economy with his idiotic tariff threats. Everyone in the U.S. is likely going to be sitting tight with what ever PC hardware they have for at least the next 5 years - and maybe beyond...
Dear customer , if your PC does not meet the minimum requirements for Windows 11, we recommend to switch to Linux (any distro you want, it is for free). Best regards, Microsoft.
Care for a mint? Here, wear my fedora.
When you need regulations the most, like in this case, there aren’t any…
No scrutiny on Microsoft attempting to end support of Windows 10 from the EU and friends? Nobody?
I am probably one of the few people out here that actually likes windows 11 overall. There are a few things I absolutely dis-like about it too. I build my own computers, and have had a "compatible" system for quite some time. I've installed windows 11 on an old Toshiba laptop that is NOT "compatible" with no issues. I've only ran into a couple of small issues getting older(from the 90s and early 2000s) software to work. Most of which stem from the installers being 16 bit although the games are 32 bit....go figure. Although I like windows 11, I really hate some of the things that are being forced on us like recall, and the Co-Pilot. Thankfully my processor is not eligible for the Co-Pilot feature. I don't believe that the OS should run my machine in any way that I don't approve and am able to set parameters for. There are classic settings I wish they would bring back from the XP/7 days like classic toolbar, start menus, and color settings for active and inactive window title bars. Although I just went on a rant about it, windows 11 feels "right" for some reason like the way windows XP and 7 did in their day. I remember when I first went from 98 to XP. I didn't like it at first, but got used to it...same thing with windows 7 from XP, and from 7 to 10 now 11.
So going by that it sounds like instead of minimum requirements it is recommended hardware
I installed 11 on two old computers and it seems to be running fine. One is a HP laptop and other is an HP mini desktop.
My desktop is NOT supported, using microsoft's PC Health Check - So will Win 11 even install ? if it sees my hardware does NOT support Win 11?
Excellent explanations, dear brother, Please explain how to install Windows 11 alongside Windows 10 on hard drive C, which has Windows 10 installed on it , and dual boot the computer. Thank you.
As someone who earns his living supporting MS platform (WK and Server), I gave up and am using both Mac and Linux since 2019 and have not looked back.
24H2 is a hot mess. My computer would just go into random reboots over and over. I tried every fix I read about. Nothing worked. I went back to 23H2 and the reboot issue are gone.
Old dell and hp went to 23H2 OK. Old hp won't go to 24H2 due to processor. Old dell went to 24H2 but ran so slowly I reverted back to 23H2. I'll try 24H2 again after more bugs have been worked out.
1: Any PC too old to upgrade to Win 11 normally is too old to be under ANY manufacturer's warranty -- Duh...
2: The easiest (and I suspect, most common) way to upgrade and old machine is to use Rufus and do a clean install, so there is no downgrading back to Win 10.
3. Switching to Chrome OS would work for probably 75% of people using PCs today -- which makes me wonder if Microsquish (the biggest monopoly in the PC biz) is behind the DOJ order for Alphabet to sell off Chrome, and why Microsquish is building what is essentially a chrome box that only uses their software.
Does this mean they removed the block?
It's okay to hope. Oh, you never know with MS. One day they say one thing, the next day something completely different. So it could be that they relax the CPU requirement. There is no logic to set the limit at 7th gen. Because 6th and 7th gen are practically identical. The same applies to 6th-8th gen. So here it's just someone who has set a limit for the sake of setting a limit without thinking about the consequences. Hopeless scheme by MS. But there could be a "sneaky" reduction in the CPU requirement when they have removed the gen info.
They want to have their cake and eat it too. If there are enough holdouts when support is supposed to end, they'll cave and extend support. Until then expect more scare tactics.
Good that Voyager 1+2 don't run on Windows …
"What makes it compatible?"
Microsoft: "Because we said so."
If they aren't going to support it anyway, why even bother upgrading?
Microsoft can't fully stop to install windows 11 on unsupported hardware this is impossible for Microsoft
I’m going to roll the dice and keep Windows 10.
Well, I guess when your bottom line starts to be affected those stringent rules, kind of disappear
are they saying that although it is possible, w11 on unsupported machines wont be eligible for updates?
Yes
Where they state that unsupported machines are not eligible to receive updates, Windows 11 on such a machine, is still unsupported, and the machine might as well remain on Windows 10.
I just wonder if after EOL of Win 10 if M$ will do an update to Win 11 machines on old hardware saying that they will no longer receive Win 11 updates..
According to that Microsoft article: "When Windows 11 is installed on a device that doesn't meet the minimum system requirements, a watermark is added to the Windows 11 desktop."
Is a watermark indeed added to the desktop of PC's that are upgraded and don't meet minimum requirements?
If I want to replace my current computer with a new one, should be my decision! Understanding MS is evolving technically, however, if the OS can still be run on an older machine, why dictate to those of us to spend money of which we may not have such resources for new hardware, where current systems still work for our use? So the policy change is better than the nasty wall they originally stated on upgrading the newer OS.
MS is being vague on what could happen to your pc if you upgrade but, there's no point in upgrading if you are not going to get updates. They got more than a few month's, more like ten, to give more detail on why we should not upgrade and what could happen. Is there something in the new software that is so different that it won't run on older machines or is because they want to take advantage of new pc features that allow them to spy on us? As my pc is 15 years olds and works fine, MS is in business to make money and the pc manufactures are probably pushing MS to provide a reason so they can make more money too.
I'm on WiN11 on my 775 Build
(In Bane voice) "Time to go Linux.."
My Laptop's only not compatible reqiurement is it wants a 8th Gen Intel prosessor but i have a 7th Gen Intel Core i5 running Windows 11 21H2
Meanwhile there are Linux distros that will run fine on a potato laptop from 2008.
I just did it using Rufus iso writer
The support page also says a watermark is added to unsupported PCs. Has anyone seen this? I have not had a chance to test this as I have switched to Linux on most of my computers.
The only compatibility issue I have, is with Microsoft. That bloated pig they call Windows hans't been relevant in a long time. Still users are abused as beta testers. My hardware isn't unsupported, but you are, Micro$oft.
If your PC doesn't meet the requirements, how are Microsoft meant to show your the AD's they want to fill your PC with?? NONE of these are for security, simply revenue making.
I have 2 PC's on Windows 11, the one that DOES support Windows 11 WILL NOT run Fortnite, the one that doesn't support runs Fortnite just fine. On the PC that DOES support Win 11, to play Fortnite I have to reboot into another SSD with Windows 10 on it...explain this one Microcrap.......both PC's are running the very latest Fortnite update. The lack of this game alone would be stopping MILLIONS of users from upgrading to Windows 11, not supporting or breaking a MAJOR game is BIG MISTAKE.......
Why no body created usb key with tpm 2.0 ??? Over solution installing windows 11 ltsc ( no tpm requierement) but needed patch for register it or beeing a multinational 😅😅
If Microsoft want people to upgrade to Windows 11 they should replace their stupid, artificial hardware requirements with the real requirement that the processor needs to implement the POPCNT instruction in order to install Windows 11 24H2. All x86 processors made in the last 15 years or so support this. If your processor does not support that instruction, then the OS just wont boot.
Also, they should fully support the windows 10 start menu and start screens as configuration options to make migration and use of windows 11 seamless.
This is a pointless exercise by microsoft if they are not supported these pcs Microsost is not doing enough there is going to be 000"s of pc's going as e-waste at this environmentally sensitive time My PC has been updated to Windows 10 and l increased the ram it works fine and is stable there must be many people like me,Microsoft needs to do more