Planned starvation has always been a part of war. Burning your enemies crops in the field goes back to the beginning of history. In both world wars Britain blockaded Germany, denying it food from overseas. In return, German submarines destroyed thousands of ships bringing supplies to Britain.
Famine is a by-product of war, just like pestilence is. Are there cases where an enemy uses it? Sure. But the mass Starvation she is talking about is a byproduct of war anyway and will happen even if no one planned it.
Even if starvation isn’t “planned” by the enemy, it still tends to occur as a byproduct of the call up of reserves, etc. , as farm workers are called to military service, farm land becomes a war zone, etc. While the European combatants were thought of as being motorized, they still used horses in very large numbers, and those horses and mules weren’t available for the plow. Post war, as part of the Marshal Plan, Greek farmers could requisition a mule from the US. The farmers were used to using local pack animals, that had never seen the shelter of a barn. The mules they received were often taller than the farmers, who were very impressed.
I do wish she didn't blow off the nature of planned starvation in war. Hell, there was a starvation scare when Russia blocked the grain shipments out of Ukraine last year, and that's chump change compared to the brutality of a world war
@@theguy0526how is she blowing it off? She's literally speaking about it in a rational manner and not in an emotional manner. Did you want her to cry? She's bringing light to the fact this tactic is still happening
@@Tasty4339 It wasn't about tone, not sure where you're getting the sexism from? 👀 I gathered she attributes starvation as a natural consequence of war which I agree with. Still, there's a big difference between Russia's scorched Earth policy vs natural consequences. I felt she could have elaborated on How intentionally planned starvation does occur and exacerbates the problems she's referring to.
I've seen several of her videos and admire her frank and objective presentations. Her point here: Wartime starvation can happen as a result of supply chain and other structural breakdowns without being an intended strategic act.
@@veronicaanne1359 In war torn areas bud...the whole worlds not starving, especially in the west. The earths not flat either. Try different media, they are scaring you to consume more views for $. This is a reputable channel, watch these.
For those of you who don't know, Dr. Sarah Paine is a professor at the U.S. Naval War College in Washington, DC. She teaches the next generation of military leaders. And she has one of the brightest minds in military education. Her students are damn lucky to be learning from her. I wish she would do a series of full length classes on UA-cam so millions could learn from her. 😊👍
I'm very impressed with this scholar. She speaks so well and knows so much, but she doesn't pretend to know things she doesn't. I'll undoubtedly be searching out more videos featuring her. Thank you for posting this.
Truth is nobody wants to talk about the struggles of an Axis power during World War II that did horrible atrocities but they'll definitely talk about their country or allied countries that were murdering and raping hundreds of people.
Cholera, Malaria, dystentery, Typhoid, E. Coli infections, & other diseases from contaminated water & food always affect displaced populations or where infrastructure has been destroyed. Hunger weakens resistance to so many of these diseases.
My father was in a Japanese POW camp. Facing defeat, they were preparing to shoot all the prisoners by setting up machine guns outside the camp. But the nuclear bombs were dropped, the next morning the Japanese had left before sunrise, leaving the prisoners alive. Close to starvation, but alive.
But the USA most certainly did NOT throw the bombs to save her and other japanese people. They wanted to save money and lives on their side and were keen to try out their little new toy. Framing it as humanitarian towards japanese people in hindsight is ridiculous and disgusting.
@@edmey Israel is at war with Hamas. Its not Israel's fault Hamas uses civilians as shields. Its not Israel's fault the civilians let Hamas use them as shields. Its also not Israel's fault that so many idiots claim the war is vs the civilians of Gaza. War sucks. And the blame for the war lays squarely on the assholes shooting rockets during a cease fire while using hospitals, schools, and refugee camps as cover. Grow up or shut up.
@cleaterose5914 my Korean grandmother did not survive the war. There was a ban on Koreans growing their own rice by the Japanese, so they could starve them in their own homes. She barely survived that to only be brutalized, raped and murdered by your Japanese forefathers.
My dad was on a troop transport to the US after fighting in France & Germany to train for the invasion of Japan. The Captain announced: "Japan has surrendered unconditionally. The war is over. We're going home." It was the happiest day of his life (until I came along!)
Same for my mother’s second husband. He had fought in numerous big battles in Europe, and after the war ended there he was in training for the invasion of Japan when the war ended because of the atomic bombs. He said they had been told that they could expect another 500,000 Americans to die in the invasion. And then suddenly it was over.
Fact was, that Japan didn't surrender unconditionally, in fact they negotiated a very good surrender that favoured them. Many of their officers and their Emperor didn't face the war crimes tribunals they should have. They were much worse than any country during WW2, when it came to brutal tactics. Russia came a close second though.
@@andrewthomas695 some of her facts are easy to look up and see its not correct/not complete. I do not have to say anything just crack a ook, listen to people, watch documentries and so on.
@@andrewthomas695 not rubbishing her, just saying get her facts straight. and anyone can look up the facts. its as common as dirt. if you studied ww2 in school, you can pick it out.
I find this lady very calmly authoritative; speaks facts, with the slightest hint of pragmatic empathy. She should run the Council on Foreign Relations.
I've watched several of her interviews and she's OK when she is being factual but she definitely has a slant in her views. Sometimes she avoids questions that the differs from her overall viewpoint.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell. William Tecumseh Sherman
That quote unfortunately doesn’t match with reality. Since we’re talking about WW2 let’s remember that Hitler and many of his cronies had fought in WW1, and yet they were willing to plunge their country into another war.
Yet, Japan wasn't even in the top 10 counties for WW2 total war related deaths as percentage of population. They were in fact 16th out of 60 countries, with only a 3.96% total death rate versus 1939 population (the beginning of WW2); this being 1 out of every 25 people. And this number includes war related famine deaths. For comparison #1 is Poland with a whopping 1 in 6 people killed, at 17.1%, and Greece in 6th place with a 1 in 10 death rate at 9.1%. Perspective is a powerful thing.
@@thomashogan9196 Sorry, I'm not following? The video speaks to the significant death rate Japan experienced in WW2, civilian and military, directly or indirectly thru famine. My comment provides some perspective, that plenty of countries had it worse.
@@andrewgrant2948 Fair question. In the clip she speaks of the significant civilian deaths by starvation during WW2. And then uses Japan as an example. Which I thought was an odd choice, considering Japan lost roughly 500,000 civilians to war related disease and famine, while China (for example) lost over 8,000,000 civilians to war related famine and disease over the same time period. Now, it's possible in the wider video that her choosing Japan as an example made sense contextually, I just thought some perspective might be helpful. As in, just so you know, Japan didn't experience civilian famine nearly as bad as many other countries.
@@seanmullane4822 Yes. And if you happen to live on the actual field of battle, say Nanjing, Warsaw, Stalingrad, your civilian death toll is likely to be horrendous as opposed to the United States or England or Japan which were bombed, but no enemy soldiers ever landed to fight house to house. It explains your statistics.
Im a massive fan of Japanese culture, but for context the Japanese killed and starved a lot of Asians, mainly Chinese and Koreans through devastation of agriculture. All sides, to a degree, were guilty of that.
You're just an anglo american watching anime manga. Us brit and other nations they stole their resources for years, the Japanese fought for their survival, nuclear power was used because the americans could not reach the earth.
@@Chiamami_Capoyour diet has rendered you incapable of relieving the huge buildup of bodily refuse. Japan started the fight and continued to fight to gain area and resources. Historical fact- Japanese military training and ideology caused most of the soldiers to die instead of being taken prisoner.
It's an up and down. Japan had a war due to the amount of landmass they had wasn't sustainable to produce enough crops to feed their population. 90% of food the people of Japan eat have to be imported which was why they were invading their neighbors. Another reason why would start besides religion is resources. Massive amounts of commerce goes along the coasts. Without on import and export are more expensive and you will have to bargain with you night to better ensure business for your nation. Morals can kill people in war since fighting dirty can quicken the end of a war and lower the amount of people who could otherwise wind up dying of starvation and being caught in the crossfires.
Grand dad told me that the Germans were starving to death during WWII. When word got out that the American forces had food thousands walked to the American lines in hope of food and good treatment.
That's true. My grand-parents fled with their family from Poland over the Tchèque Republic to Bavaria in Germany. My mom"s life was saved by US Care nutrition unities. She had already had "shadows" on her lungs, revealed by x-ray exams. That's tuberculosis. She would have died from this desease otherwise, at the age of 2 years or so. All that I say in conclusion: Stop war and start négociations, in Ukraine and in Israël. RIGHT NOW.
The government took all the food for the soldiers. Civilians are forced to fend for themselves. People need to figure that out now and always have a plan
@@babettestaiger5856Negotiations don’t work unless both sides want to negotiate. In Israel, HAMAS does not want to negotiate, they only want to destroy Israel. In Ukraine, Russia doesn’t want to negotiate. Putin still is intent on seizing all of Ukraine.
My mom was born just as World War I started in Europe. She was a little girl, therefore, during the war, living in Southern Italy (a small town near Salerno.) She nearly died of starvation, rheumatic fever during the war and had Rickets which caused her walking problems throughout her life. How do you get rickets in a farming community ... and starve nearly to death? All my grandmother had to help her were local herbs, to treat her. There was no doctor. She told me all kinds of horror stories about how difficult her early life was.
You get rickets because of bad nutrition. Even farming communities starved. They were deprived of farming machinery because the factories all switched to producing tanks. They were deprived of labour because working-age men were conscripted. They were deprived of synthetic fertilisers because the nitrates were used to produce explosives. Their food stocks were very often requisitioned by the state.
@@elenaf6335 she knows history extremely well. I would say to a degree that qualifies her to teach history at the doctorate level. Oh yeah she already does that.
I've watched some 20 or so video clips of this woman - everything she says makes sense - probably the most intelligent person I've seen online. Zero drama or affectation - just facts, and informed analysis.
She conveniently didn't make any real attempt to talk about whether it was necessary to drop a second atomic bomb, or to do either bomb in a way that didn't cause maximum human suffering, or that collective punishment is a clear war crime.
@@BigBlueMan118 Point 1, the plan was probably to drop them until they surrendered. No, there was no guarantee one bomb would cause a surrender, the firebombing of Tokyo was already far more severe. 2, Explain how those two cities were the best way to maximize human suffering with those two bombs 3, It isn't collective punishment it was world war fucking two
I remember my grandfather telling me that if we would have had to invade the mainland Japan, the Japanese would have fought to the last man and the death toll would have been much higher. It was terrible that so many people died from the bomb, but it could have been much much worse.
@@milesbabin6578He just wanted to save his position. When he managed to do he agread. But all time he was for peace. Only army wanted to fight till death.
The Japanese Emperor was trying to surrender through Stalin in Russia six weeks before the bombs were dropped. Remember the winners write the lies of history. The Americans were desperate to try out the Atomic Bomb having spent so much money on the Manhattan Project.
IF we did a ground invasion. We didn't and wouldn't. With or without the bombs. The war could have ended much earlier if the USA just offered a conditioned surrender
My grandfather was training in Texas for the invasion of the mainland before the bombs were dropped. Odds are he wouldn't have returned and my father would never have been born if the US had to invade Japan.
"It's war time. It's just facts" - and I don't recall any mobs in Allied nations marching and protesting about it and calling it "genocide" because it was THEIR sons fighting against the governments of the Axis countries. They understood, the same and this lady, that war is hell.
😅 ... Today they don't understand concept of war... Human intellect has declined cos we are living in peace time ... War is cruel... War kills... War is never good for human kind... And people sitting in cozy bed will never understand it only virtual signalling...
That's an absolutely hilarious comment. Never Again.... it hasn't ever stopped. The main thing the majority doesn't understand is they kill off the population to stop the social unrest from overthrowing their governments. It's social unrest and destruction of quality of life for the peasants and when the people will rise up against you it's easier to start a foreign conflict than maintain control over a hostile population. So no you're intentionally in blinders the majority of your Never Again is your own people NEVER STOPPING. You just change your clothes but your still a demon who hates life.
We like and want to believe war can be avoided always. In reality the only time a war can be avoid is when and only when, your nation has the understanding of a war on that magnitude and the knowledge to understand consequences of fighting verses the consequences of not can war on that scale be avoided. Nations in a full blown war today are either in it because they lack that understanding or are trying to stop the people that lack the understanding
Without the bombs, the Pacific war would have progressed to a D-Day type of invasion to the mainland of Japan. This would have needed hundred of thousands of soldiers that had been fighting in Europe now off to the Pacific. Now add Kamikaze attacks, and an enemy that would not surrender and it would have been an absolute bloodbath. The atomic bombings were horrific but the war needed to end sooner than later.
@@tommyshanks4198 Everyone has an opinion. The Japanese were willing to fight to the last man woman and child. It was the Bomb that showed the futility of that path.
@@tommyshanks4198 Yes. Obviously. And my father, having survived combat in Europe, would have been among the troops used for Operation Olympic, if it had been necessary.
She most certainly was not spot on here. I'm not saying that she was right or wrong, but she was not spot on. She did not have specific figures and also citations for these figures to give. That's winging it. Or making things up. It's not spot on. We should have much higher standards for someone who's a professor and who is a specialist in Japan.
I remember our Korean baseball coach we had. On a weekend tournament, he would not even go to a Japanese restaurant when it was suggested. We ended up somewhere else.
AND, like NO other country has done in the history of war, we immediatley sent aid to feed those that we had just beaten, and eventually gave them there country back.
@@jenifernaidoo7231 all peoples are descended from slaves. A million Europeans were taken as slaves through the 1800s and taken to N. Africa. Jews were slaves, Indians enslaved Indians, Africans enslaved Africans, Chinese enslaved Chinese. Welcome to planet Earth. The door is open to leave.
@@jenifernaidoo7231Sure. Some of my ancestors were Native Americans (yes, I've seen the pictures and letters that my relatives still have), as were some of my ex's ancestors who were Native American. I am also thankful that my business partner, several friends, as well of one of my son-in-law's ancestors survived slavery. No, it wasn't pretty, but their descendants thankfully survived.
Japan, Egypt, China have shipped food to people they beaten. historically sending food to those you have beaten is not a crazy idea. What is crazy is that enough food was shipped to feed millions very fast.
Starvation in Asia during WWII was atrocious. The Japanese yes but also the Chinese, Vietnamese, Indonesians, Indians, and Phillipinos all had major famines throughout the war. I'm just glad all of them were able to rebuild after such devastation.
@Denozo88 India had a huge role in WWII. During the Great Game Britian had installed an administrative government, and when Britian was placed under siege the government in India would run operation in Burma against Japan, Egypt against Italy, the Middle East against Vichy and Iraq, and had to deal with Axis ships in the Indian ocean.
I thought I read or heard that Japan couldn't feed it's own people before the war. I looked it up and I found that without it's colonies Japan couldn't supply enough rice for it's own people. But it was a very interesting perspective as to why the dropping of the bomb was worth it. Also I think that Britain had a problem feeding it's own population. The US feeding Britain allowed the population to do factory and military service.
@@robertagren9360 Japan could support itself using it's colonies to supplement the food it grew in country. Once the war with the allies started. The allies started to sink the supply ships coming and going to Japan. Take away the millions of men as troops and women to do the jobs the men left behind. You now have fewer workers in the fields. Couple that with everything for the military and the civilian populations is secondary. You have a population that is living on subsistence level food or starving. Even Japan's own troops in the field were starving.
The second part is true, but also, we had massive imports from the empire (Canada). British agriculture was more manpower efficient than German agriculture, which also freed up thousands to serve. Added the near universal use of POW's as farm labour or builders. Question is when did the use of POW's as labour become slave labour? The British treated German and Italian men well compared to the treatment British men received from Japan.
My mom was born in 53 in Romania, her parents in '33. She said after the war it took villages over 10 years to re learn how to grow crops. Most men died on the front and the elderly, women and children lost a lot of knowledge and work power... they were eating wild herbs, waiting for summer to eat berries and fruits.
I wish people would understand this about not only Japan but Germany. The bombing campaign that total air superiority provided in late '44 into '45 was absolutely devastating to not only the Germans but the Dutch, Belgians and French as well.
@@plumbthumbs9584 'Took a whole lot more'? Bro the war ended in early '45, if you're going to be a pedantic dickhead about history at least be honest with your rhetoric. If even Hermann Goring lost a whole lot of weight you know the average German must've been struggling.
@@plumbthumbs9584because bombing campaigns don't have much of an effect of the moral of the population, except hardening the resolve and turning them bitter VS the attacker. Bombing campaigns against the civilian population and infrastructure have close to zero impact on the willingness to wage war in the population and don't end the war quicker, the only thing they do is to create mass civilian casualties and are warcrimes
@@plumbthumbs9584 they knew they were right, and that people like us would be curious why they fought so long, and would read their books and learn what they were fighting against. which of course when one looks at our political, economic, financial, sociocultural and media institutions we can see the axis were fighting a very real "scapegoat"
@@plumbthumbs9584 Love drives men mad. That's the reason anyone endures such a fucking horrible situation like the German army faced in 1944/45. People that think the German army actually operated on hatred are people that just simply don't understand how the world works and believes history is a cartoon. This woman is a bit like that.
I lived in Micronesia 50 years after WW2 & obesity was not looked at as negative there. An islander told me why...he said being overweight showed you are loved because you are well fed & being skinny was a reminder of what it was like during the 40's.. Fear of starvation & food insecurity was very real 50 years later & carried thru generations. Hoarding huge bags of rice in homes was the norm.
@@camillaflint5423 I'll make it brief, since i believe you're not a child anymore that needs to be spoon fed about everything and I hope you'd Consider what I said instead of laying your turd in front of my door and ran off. ever since the Fall of Nazi Germany, Japan only significant Allies in the War, They knew they've already Lost, and they already sued for Peace even before the Announcement of the atomic Bomb and before the Soviet declaration of Re entering into the War with japan. "The Atomic Bomb played no decisive part, from a purely Military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan" These Sentiment or Admision are shared by the US Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz who was the Commander in chief of the US Pacific Fleet in WW2 from a speech of his on October 5th 1945. Another one from William D. Leahy, a Fleet Admiral, Senior Military officer who was an Active Duty in WW2, and a Personal Chief of Staff for both President Roosevelt and Truman has also said: "It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons." (William D. Leahy, I Was There, pg. 441). I could go on and on, With the perpetrator's own words from Harry Truman's Memoirs, His secretary James F. Brynes, Chief Marshal of the Royal Airforce Arthur Harris, and even from Japan Point of view of the High-ranking Foreign Minister at the time, Toshikazu kase, and The list just goes on. About how the Bombing is essentially an International Dick waving contest, a Power move for the US to assert Dominance in the Global Stage and Create an American Centric New World Order. But again you're not a child that needs to be babysit anymore, and I've written a Long enough response to at least Incite you to do your due diligence on the Subject, Don't take everything ppl said for granted when they don't provide any Source or Citation like this Video does. Here's some Material you should check out: Memoirs of Harry S.Truman I Was There - William D. Leahy Speaking Frankly - James F. Byrnes All in one Lifetime - James F. Byrnes Prompt and Utter Destruction - J. Samuel Walker Bomber Offensive - Arthur Harris Journey To The Missouri - Toshikazu Kase Racing the Enemy - Tsuyoshi Hasegawa
@@camillaflint5423 OH my holy FKN god, this comment of mine has been deleted TWICE, so here I'll make it brief, since i believe you're not a child anymore that needs to be spoon fed about everything and I hope you'd Consider what I said instead of laying your turd in front of my door and ran off. ever since the Fall of Nazi Germany, Japan only significant Allies in the War, They knew they've already Lost, and they already sued for Peace even before the Announcement of the atomic Bomb and before the Soviet declaration of Re entering into the War with japan. "The Atomic Bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan" These Sentiment or Admision are shared by the US Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz who was the Commander in chief of the US Pacific Fleet in WW2 from a speech of his on October 5th 1945. Another one from William D. Leahy, a Fleet Admiral, Senior Military officer who was an Active Duty in WW2, and a Personal Chief of Staff for both President Roosevelt and Truman has also said: "It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons." (William D. Leahy, I Was There, pg. 441). I could go on and on, With the perpetrator's own words from Harry Truman's Memoirs, His secretary James F. Brynes, Chief Marshal of the Royal Airforce Arthur Harris, and even from Japan Point of view of the High-ranking Foreign Minister at the time, Toshikazu kase, and The list just goes on. About how the Bombing is essentially an International Dick waving contest, a Power move for the US to assert Dominance in the Global Stage and Create an American Centric New World Order. But again you're not a child that needs to be babysit anymore, and I've written a Long enough response to at least Incite you to do your due diligence on the Subject, Don't take everything ppl said for granted when they don't provide any Source or Citation like this Video does. Here's some Material you should check out: Memoirs of Harry S.Truman I Was There - William D. Leahy Speaking Frankly - James F. Byrnes All in one Lifetime - James F. Byrnes Prompt and Utter Destruction - J. Samuel Walker Bomber Offensive - Arthur Harris Journey To The Missouri - Toshikazu Kase Racing the Enemy - Tsuyoshi Hasegawa
I wish you could have pushed back on the necessity for the atomic bombs and asked her about the effect the Soviet invasion of Manchuria played in Japan's surrender. The fire bombing of the home islands were far more devastating than the a-bombs
There’s your answer…the firebombing killed more people, but still did not have the psychological impact of such a massive explosion, which obviously could not be defended against. It wasn’t casualties so much as finally recognizing the futility of continuing.
The Soviet invasion is heavily debated on how much it affected the surrender of Japan, same as the bombs. It’s heavily debated that the Japanese were planning to surrender soon anyways and others say they would never surrender. It’s nearly impossible to tell, what IS assured is that if the war continued there WOULD be far more deaths and an invasion of Japan would lead to CATASTROPHIC levels of death on both sides. The Atomic Bomb was the best choice of a list of shitty outcomes, because you can *never* rely on your enemy surrendering in a total war.
Yes but the firebombings were carried out by a thousand B-29s at a time. When the Japanese realized we could destroy an enire city with a single bomb (and having no idea we had used the only two nukes we had) they quickly surrendered.
This woman is absolutely proof you can command respect of men simply by how you carry yourself. She isn’t big she isn’t imposing she doesn’t have to be the loudest person in the room she is simply informative speaks honestly and engagingly more women would be taken seriously if they engaged in this manner
I mean, yeah, that's the public position adopted for our use of the bomb, but it was dropped just as well for geopolitical strategy in our upcoming adversarial relationship with the USSR. We were going to let them know that we were the only nation on Earth that not only had the atom bomb, but were willing to use it.
@@tomhenry897 Dude, Douglas MacArthur and Harry Truman, two of the most hawkish men of the 20th century, had access to nuclear explosions. They were going to make use of it. Had Inchon Landing not gone phenomenally, we may have seen it used in Korea.
And thus prevented WWIII. The arithmetic of war is very brutal. An invasion of Japan would have cost millions of lives, a hot war with the USSR perhaps a billion. The children of Nagasaki and Hiroshima did not at all deserve what happened to them, and their suffering and death was a tragedy and an evil. Everyone had blood on their hands. The difference is one side counted the cost of civilian lives, and the other didn't.
As a European (DK) from '78, I didn't learn about the millions of Indians who died from starvation as a partial result of the UK's neglect. Having not known that really bothers me.
I only recently learned about the huge famine that happened in the USSR in 1942 because of the war and the disruption it brought. The worst place to be was in the GULAG. Something like a quarter of the prisoners starved to death.
Indeed. HST took a lot of flack for dropping those bombs. He knew what he was doing. No more fighting. One of our finest presidents, he was one tough honest cookie. We need another HST in the White House.
American submarines made it almost impossible to even ship goods between the Home Islands. Add to that American fighter bombers hitting smaller, shallow draft vessels. Japan was finished by 1945. But, their code of honor kept them fighting, until the A Bombs showed enough of the military government it was futile to continue the war.
Interesting choice of words.. showed enough.. but why can you not accept the historical facts that it was not enough, that it took the Soviet Union invading Manchuria to convince the Japanese Army to accept what others around the war cabinet table were saying?
@@tommyshanks4198 The Japanese Army didn't make the decision to surrender, the emperor did. The army continued to oppose surrender after the Soviet invasion of Manchuria. The bombs ended the war because they meant that Japan's plan for a last stand was no longer viable.
@@tomhenry897 Can you be specific? The Emperor certainly agreed to the surrender, and his voice had to be recorded and broadcast while he was hidden to avoid assassination. You can watch the participants on the World at War, episode “the Bomb.” That’s the BBC series, from 1974.
Last part I always thought and agreed with. Oppenheimer ended a World War with 150,000 people and prevented further deaths of millions of civilians. Would I agree with it if I were one of those 150,000 people? No. But here I am, alive, and they are not.
An investigation by the admin's United States Strategic Bombing Survey showed that Japan was pursuing peace before the bombs dropped and the diplomats had instructions to accept anything up to even unconditional surrender and would have surrendered even if the bombs weren't dropped, the investigation also showed Soviet threat had no bearing on this decision.
I am really enjoying listening to her. It's always refreshing to hear someone who not only knows her subjects but doesn't try to push ( or scream ! ) an agenda. " Jist the facts ,Mamm " .👍
so sad, and the people egging on the wars won't get this until it happens to them. I can barely believe how there have been primary, modern cities that have been leveled in just the most recent of times.
@@diviningrod2671no they weren't. The military council had meetings inbetween the first bomb and the Soviet invasion, then between the Soviet invasion and the second bomb, then after the second bomb. It was only after the second bomb that they ultimately decided to surrender through the emperor's intervention, as the council was still split, and the nukes were explicitly mentioned by him. Only after two days did he even record a message to military officials still fighting where he did mention the soviets because you can't exactly explain to someone thousands of miles away that the enemy has a single bomb brought by a single plane that can kill more people than a day's firebombing in seconds.
An investigation by the admin's United States Strategic Bombing Survey showed that Japan was pursuing peace before the bombs dropped and the diplomats had instructions to accept anything up to even unconditional surrender and would have surrendered even if the bombs weren't dropped, the investigation also showed Soviet threat had no bearing on this decision.
@@TheMechanician Japan wasn't pursuing peace; it was one faction in the Japanese military high command which was sympathetic to peace, and had a secret diplomatic mission sent to the USSR to attempt to lay down the foundations of a peace plan with the soviets as mediators, but it went nowhere since the soviets had already been convinced by the US to join the war. The US had access to these documents during the war as they'd cracked Japanese encryption, but there was no solid enough foundation laid within those exchanges to presume an earnest effort at peace from Japan, and, regardless of that, the council itself was not wholly in agreement about the subject and remained in deadlock until bad intelligence given by an American p.o.w., who claimed the US had a nuclear stockpile ready, and the second bomb.
Leningrad was besieged by Nazis for 3 years, first train sent was full of Feral Cats caught in Moscow as Rats and Mice Vermin were out of control as the Pop err forced to eat their pet dogs and cats, when train arrived the cats were let lose and within a week had 'controlled' the Vermin
Starvation was so horrible everywhere in the world at that point because of the war. When I hear stories of my grandparents and my great grandparents (when they were still alive) it always made me sick for days…. I couldn’t stop thinking about the horrors they had to go though ( we are German) everyone involved in the war suffered! Sadly a lot of people start forgetting the horrors of war….
Britain did not deliberately starve the Bengal people, it was a combination of incompetance and the wartime conditions that combined to exacerbate the local conditions into something far worse. That is a significant difference between Bengal and the Ukrainian Holodomor...
@@Rendell001save the bs for Churchill fan clubs and study colonialism from a non western perspective.... If really interested... Which I suspect you aren't.... So, don't defend... Just shrug your hands off in silence like a typical western person
Stalin starved millions, not just Ukrainians--that was Ukrainian Nationalist propaganda. Two million Ukrainians starved, yes, but about five to six overall in the Soviet Union. It was due in large part to Stalin's mismanagement of agriculture, but also to climate. At the same time in the US we were experiencing the "Dust Bowl" in the Great Plains. Poor agricultural policies & corporate greed are almost as bad for food production as Stalinist collective farms, then get a ten year drought & wham--millions die!
She needs to study history. The Russians were moving in from the north and the Japanese were ready to surrender. The atomic bombs were just to show what the US could do. Dropping them was unnecessary.
My Dad was in the 11th Airborne in the Pacific. The Battle of Manila was ended a few months before the bomb was dropped. The official end of the battle was 2 months before the battle itself was over. After the Philippines the generals looked at the blood bath the island hopping strategy was for the Marines and the Japanese fight to the death mentality. They didn't like the way the Japanese had defended their territory, and figured that would be the way they would defend their home islands. The lives of both the civilians and the soldiers who would be saved by using the bombs cannot be understood if you don't do the research.
My great uncle was a cook on a navy ship. Him and 2 other guys used to smuggle food on a life boat out to japanese families because they couldn't stand to see women and children starving to death. This was very illegal and they would have faced really bad consequences if caught. He didn't even tell anyone about this until he was very old and no longer worried about the potential consequences such as losing his military retirement.
There was atomic bombs as terrible as the deaths at Hiroshima and Nagasaki as she said saved millions of lives. There was no land invasion which would've killed and destroyed almost all of Japan because the military was not giving up. It also saved thousands of US soldier casualties. There's a reason why there were so many purple hearts made, and it was because of that land invasion.
Fun fact: instant noodles got invented in Japan to use the wheat that the USA gave to them. Japanese people don't eat a lot of bread, but they do eat noodles as a food staple. It was found that flash-frying noodles dried them out so that they would keep for a very long time and were easily transported. Of course, instant noodles were very easily cooked upon being received by the population and so instant ramen was born - and it's been a hit ever since!
Planned starvation has always been a part of war. Burning your enemies crops in the field goes back to the beginning of history. In both world wars Britain blockaded Germany, denying it food from overseas. In return, German submarines destroyed thousands of ships bringing supplies to Britain.
Britain and the US flew food into Berlin during the Russian blockade after World War 2. Over 250,000 flights dropping off food and fuel.
@@Ian-rj6fq this is true but the video is talking about during the war, not after.
Famine is a by-product of war, just like pestilence is. Are there cases where an enemy uses it? Sure. But the mass Starvation she is talking about is a byproduct of war anyway and will happen even if no one planned it.
@@Ian-rj6fq But not before starving millions of POWs in camps across the U.S. and Europe.
Even if starvation isn’t “planned” by the enemy, it still tends to occur as a byproduct of the call up of reserves, etc. , as farm workers are called to military service, farm land becomes a war zone, etc. While the European combatants were thought of as being motorized, they still used horses in very large numbers, and those horses and mules weren’t available for the plow. Post war, as part of the Marshal Plan, Greek farmers could requisition a mule from the US. The farmers were used to using local pack animals, that had never seen the shelter of a barn. The mules they received were often taller than the farmers, who were very impressed.
I love this woman. No bullshit, no self-righteous nonsense, just facts.
I do wish she didn't blow off the nature of planned starvation in war.
Hell, there was a starvation scare when Russia blocked the grain shipments out of Ukraine last year, and that's chump change compared to the brutality of a world war
@@theguy0526how is she blowing it off? She's literally speaking about it in a rational manner and not in an emotional manner. Did you want her to cry? She's bringing light to the fact this tactic is still happening
@@Tasty4339 It wasn't about tone, not sure where you're getting the sexism from? 👀
I gathered she attributes starvation as a natural consequence of war which I agree with. Still, there's a big difference between Russia's scorched Earth policy vs natural consequences.
I felt she could have elaborated on How intentionally planned starvation does occur and exacerbates the problems she's referring to.
No 👎 BS 😮
@@theguy0526 you sound nuts....literally making up things in your head. Where did I mention tone or sexism? That's right....NOWHERE
I've seen several of her videos and admire her frank and objective presentations. Her point here: Wartime starvation can happen as a result of supply chain and other structural breakdowns without being an intended strategic act.
Where?! I can only find her on the Naval youtube channel when I began searching. any podcast with her besides this guys?
Irael is starving intentionally people
It's happening now!
Food and food stores are being destroyed!
We will slowly find it hard to buy food!
@@veronicaanne1359 In war torn areas bud...the whole worlds not starving, especially in the west. The earths not flat either. Try different media, they are scaring you to consume more views for $. This is a reputable channel, watch these.
You ADMIRE her phychopathic views? Oookay.
For those of you who don't know, Dr. Sarah Paine is a professor at the U.S. Naval War College in Washington, DC. She teaches the next generation of military leaders. And she has one of the brightest minds in military education. Her students are damn lucky to be learning from her. I wish she would do a series of full length classes on UA-cam so millions could learn from her. 😊👍
No, she is NOT. Look her up online. There is no birthdate, no background. She just popped out of nowhere, like Obama.
I'm very impressed with this scholar. She speaks so well and knows so much, but she doesn't pretend to know things she doesn't. I'll undoubtedly be searching out more videos featuring her. Thank you for posting this.
She’s a super woke liberal,America hating communist,WE won the war,but lost the economic battle against those japs
Starvation & typhoid are often severely underestimated & tend to also be underreported.
Truth is nobody wants to talk about the struggles of an Axis power during World War II that did horrible atrocities but they'll definitely talk about their country or allied countries that were murdering and raping hundreds of people.
Typhoid is a conspiracy theory holocaust deniers use
Cholera, Malaria, dystentery, Typhoid, E. Coli infections, & other diseases from contaminated water & food always affect displaced populations or where infrastructure has been destroyed. Hunger weakens resistance to so many of these diseases.
How would they feed the Jewish prisoners with no food? Should they have let them loose to ravage the countryside?
@@xDRBKZ lol they had to go to the cinema to eat, right before their daily appointments at the swimming pool & nursery
I could listen to this lady for hours. She is a brilliant historian.
I don't know who you are lady, but you are a heckuva historian and your comments are so spot on.
Sarah Paine
Watch the full interview. It's easily one of the best I have watched so far.
My father was in a Japanese POW camp. Facing defeat, they were preparing to shoot all the prisoners by setting up machine guns outside the camp. But the nuclear bombs were dropped, the next morning the Japanese had left before sunrise, leaving the prisoners alive. Close to starvation, but alive.
Yeah, I don't know why she started popping up in my feed but she seems genuinely very knowledgeable in her subject matters. Interesting stuff.
@@leeknowlton7303 If you watch any history, or war stuff she will pop in from time to time.
The algorithms you know.
My Japanese mother survived the war as a teenager. There was no crop harvest in 45; the seed grain had been eaten. They were eating weeds.
But the USA most certainly did NOT throw the bombs to save her and other japanese people. They wanted to save money and lives on their side and were keen to try out their little new toy. Framing it as humanitarian towards japanese people in hindsight is ridiculous and disgusting.
There has been BBC articles on people in Gaza eating grass since the Israeli war on Gaza's civilian population.
@@edmeywar is brutal
@@edmey Israel is at war with Hamas. Its not Israel's fault Hamas uses civilians as shields. Its not Israel's fault the civilians let Hamas use them as shields.
Its also not Israel's fault that so many idiots claim the war is vs the civilians of Gaza.
War sucks. And the blame for the war lays squarely on the assholes shooting rockets during a cease fire while using hospitals, schools, and refugee camps as cover.
Grow up or shut up.
@cleaterose5914 my Korean grandmother did not survive the war. There was a ban on Koreans growing their own rice by the Japanese, so they could starve them in their own homes. She barely survived that to only be brutalized, raped and murdered by your Japanese forefathers.
My dad was on a troop transport to the US after fighting in France & Germany to train for the invasion of Japan. The Captain announced: "Japan has surrendered unconditionally. The war is over. We're going home." It was the happiest day of his life (until I came along!)
I can't imagine how that must have felt, to hear those words at that moment.
What he must've seen in Europe, and what he thought he could see in Japan. Damn I can't imagine the relief he felt hearing that news.
God bless your father.
Same for my mother’s second husband. He had fought in numerous big battles in Europe, and after the war ended there he was in training for the invasion of Japan when the war ended because of the atomic bombs. He said they had been told that they could expect another 500,000 Americans to die in the invasion. And then suddenly it was over.
Fact was, that Japan didn't surrender unconditionally, in fact they negotiated a very good surrender that favoured them. Many of their officers and their Emperor didn't face the war crimes tribunals they should have. They were much worse than any country during WW2, when it came to brutal tactics. Russia came a close second though.
Sarah Paine. She's a professor at the Naval War College.
well she should learn her facts better
@@andrewthomas695 some of her facts are easy to look up and see its not correct/not complete. I do not have to say anything just crack a ook, listen to people, watch documentries and so on.
Good lord she teaches at a war college? With this perspective on history I can see why the US hasn't won a war in decades.
@@andrewthomas695 not rubbishing her, just saying get her facts straight. and anyone can look up the facts. its as common as dirt. if you studied ww2 in school, you can pick it out.
@@joeydepalmer4457then it wouldn’t be hard to provide examples.
Love this woman. She’s what’s called a realist
I find this lady very calmly authoritative; speaks facts, with the slightest hint of pragmatic empathy. She should run the Council on Foreign Relations.
Very well put.
Most scholars and historians are like her. It’s why we must promote and protect academia.
@@davidlang1125 I think I need to engage with them more; they seem…wholesome.
She said one fact the famen and one opinion about how atomic bomb saved more lives.
@@brunonkowalski Investigate the idea of ‘net good.’ Even God himself created our 24-hour cycles with both day and night.
I like this lady. She tells it like it was.
Yeah she's really good. Straight facts no political slant.
Apart from the fact that the atomic bombs didn’t end the war.
That’s a great slogan for some kind of historical society.
@@Andre-pe9mmyes they did
I've watched several of her interviews and she's OK when she is being factual but she definitely has a slant in her views. Sometimes she avoids questions that the differs from her overall viewpoint.
She's absolutely right! What a wonderful woman!
Disagree
She’s usually right but on the nukes she got it wrong.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.
William Tecumseh Sherman
Said the man who burned every town from Athens, GA to the coast.
@@Anonymousduck161Probably what made him sick and tired of war.
Karma for what the Georgians did to the Cherokee?
@@dannybryant6873 and maybe that was karma for what the Cherokee did to other tribes?
That quote unfortunately doesn’t match with reality. Since we’re talking about WW2 let’s remember that Hitler and many of his cronies had fought in WW1, and yet they were willing to plunge their country into another war.
Yet, Japan wasn't even in the top 10 counties for WW2 total war related deaths as percentage of population. They were in fact 16th out of 60 countries, with only a 3.96% total death rate versus 1939 population (the beginning of WW2); this being 1 out of every 25 people. And this number includes war related famine deaths.
For comparison #1 is Poland with a whopping 1 in 6 people killed, at 17.1%, and Greece in 6th place with a 1 in 10 death rate at 9.1%.
Perspective is a powerful thing.
Japan fought the war on other people's land, and killed many more than they list, even considering American bombing.
@@thomashogan9196 Sorry, I'm not following?
The video speaks to the significant death rate Japan experienced in WW2, civilian and military, directly or indirectly thru famine. My comment provides some perspective, that plenty of countries had it worse.
Not sure why a per capita perspective matters here…
@@andrewgrant2948 Fair question. In the clip she speaks of the significant civilian deaths by starvation during WW2. And then uses Japan as an example. Which I thought was an odd choice, considering Japan lost roughly 500,000 civilians to war related disease and famine, while China (for example) lost over 8,000,000 civilians to war related famine and disease over the same time period.
Now, it's possible in the wider video that her choosing Japan as an example made sense contextually, I just thought some perspective might be helpful.
As in, just so you know, Japan didn't experience civilian famine nearly as bad as many other countries.
@@seanmullane4822 Yes. And if you happen to live on the actual field of battle, say Nanjing, Warsaw, Stalingrad, your civilian death toll is likely to be horrendous as opposed to the United States or England or Japan which were bombed, but no enemy soldiers ever landed to fight house to house. It explains your statistics.
Im a massive fan of Japanese culture, but for context the Japanese killed and starved a lot of Asians, mainly Chinese and Koreans through devastation of agriculture. All sides, to a degree, were guilty of that.
USA did the same to Phillipines. Almost one million filipinos killed in the Filipino American war.
That is simply not true. @@moiseshuerta3984
It wasnt starvation it was what Putin would call a 'Special Military Diet'
You're just an anglo american watching anime manga.
Us brit and other nations they stole their resources for years, the Japanese fought for their survival, nuclear power was used because the americans could not reach the earth.
@@Chiamami_Capoyour diet has rendered you incapable of relieving the huge buildup of bodily refuse. Japan started the fight and continued to fight to gain area and resources. Historical fact- Japanese military training and ideology caused most of the soldiers to die instead of being taken prisoner.
That's why I always say nobody wins in war.
There is always that collateral damage of starving populations .
It's an up and down. Japan had a war due to the amount of landmass they had wasn't sustainable to produce enough crops to feed their population. 90% of food the people of Japan eat have to be imported which was why they were invading their neighbors. Another reason why would start besides religion is resources. Massive amounts of commerce goes along the coasts. Without on import and export are more expensive and you will have to bargain with you night to better ensure business for your nation.
Morals can kill people in war since fighting dirty can quicken the end of a war and lower the amount of people who could otherwise wind up dying of starvation and being caught in the crossfires.
Grand dad told me that the Germans were starving to death during WWII. When word got out that the American forces had food thousands walked to the American lines in hope of food and good treatment.
That's true. My grand-parents fled with their family from Poland over the Tchèque Republic to Bavaria in Germany. My mom"s life was saved by US Care nutrition unities. She had already had "shadows" on her lungs, revealed by x-ray exams. That's tuberculosis. She would have died from this desease otherwise, at the age of 2 years or so. All that I say in conclusion: Stop war and start négociations, in Ukraine and in Israël. RIGHT NOW.
The government took all the food for the soldiers. Civilians are forced to fend for themselves. People need to figure that out now and always have a plan
@babettestaiger5856 disease runs rampant during wartime.
@@babettestaiger5856Russia has said it won't negotiate.
@@babettestaiger5856Negotiations don’t work unless both sides want to negotiate. In Israel, HAMAS does not want to negotiate, they only want to destroy Israel. In Ukraine, Russia doesn’t want to negotiate. Putin still is intent on seizing all of Ukraine.
My mom was born just as World War I started in Europe. She was a little girl, therefore, during the war, living in Southern Italy (a small town near Salerno.) She nearly died of starvation, rheumatic fever during the war and had Rickets which caused her walking problems throughout her life. How do you get rickets in a farming community ... and starve nearly to death? All my grandmother had to help her were local herbs, to treat her. There was no doctor. She told me all kinds of horror stories about how difficult her early life was.
You get rickets because of bad nutrition. Even farming communities starved. They were deprived of farming machinery because the factories all switched to producing tanks. They were deprived of labour because working-age men were conscripted. They were deprived of synthetic fertilisers because the nitrates were used to produce explosives. Their food stocks were very often requisitioned by the state.
This woman should be Secretary of State.
Bc she doesn’t know history?
Surprisingly, there are overwhelmingly large number of people who are well-informed and well-educated in the government.
@@user-mi2wb5cx2g no there aren't
@@elenaf6335 she knows history extremely well. I would say to a degree that qualifies her to teach history at the doctorate level.
Oh yeah she already does that.
@@madlarkin8wow from one UA-cam short? Lol on the contrary how about no women in politics?
I've watched some 20 or so video clips of this woman - everything she says makes sense - probably the most intelligent person I've seen online. Zero drama or affectation - just facts, and informed analysis.
Watch the whole interview!
this is like talking about german victims of ww2 without mentioning holocaust.
not that great at all.
Hear hear
Everything but the nukes.
I hope she's had many attentive students. She is incredibly fun to listen to.
This woman should be on every tv, campus, and show. She is so spot on. The tokyo fire bimd was way worse than both nuke boms combined.
80,000 women raped by Japan in Nankin alone.
This is real news, real history. Thank you.
She conveniently didn't make any real attempt to talk about whether it was necessary to drop a second atomic bomb, or to do either bomb in a way that didn't cause maximum human suffering, or that collective punishment is a clear war crime.
@@BigBlueMan118 Point 1, the plan was probably to drop them until they surrendered. No, there was no guarantee one bomb would cause a surrender, the firebombing of Tokyo was already far more severe.
2, Explain how those two cities were the best way to maximize human suffering with those two bombs
3, It isn't collective punishment it was world war fucking two
no it’s not
I remember my grandfather telling me that if we would have had to invade the mainland Japan, the Japanese would have fought to the last man and the death toll would have been much higher. It was terrible that so many people died from the bomb, but it could have been much much worse.
The Emperor even said that they would fight to the last man.
@@milesbabin6578He just wanted to save his position. When he managed to do he agread. But all time he was for peace. Only army wanted to fight till death.
The Japanese Emperor was trying to surrender through Stalin in Russia six weeks before the bombs were dropped. Remember the winners write the lies of history. The Americans were desperate to try out the Atomic Bomb having spent so much money on the Manhattan Project.
IF we did a ground invasion. We didn't and wouldn't. With or without the bombs. The war could have ended much earlier if the USA just offered a conditioned surrender
My grandfather was training in Texas for the invasion of the mainland before the bombs were dropped. Odds are he wouldn't have returned and my father would never have been born if the US had to invade Japan.
"It's war time. It's just facts" - and I don't recall any mobs in Allied nations marching and protesting about it and calling it "genocide" because it was THEIR sons fighting against the governments of the Axis countries. They understood, the same and this lady, that war is hell.
😅 ... Today they don't understand concept of war... Human intellect has declined cos we are living in peace time ... War is cruel... War kills... War is never good for human kind... And people sitting in cozy bed will never understand it only virtual signalling...
This woman understands and expresses history as it happened not how others want it to be remembered.
Crazy how quick it happens too. Don't take for granted what you have, in 5 years you could be starving to death in a world war.
Was only 80 years ago.
For the last 70 years we repeat never again only to let it happen again and again.
That's an absolutely hilarious comment. Never Again.... it hasn't ever stopped. The main thing the majority doesn't understand is they kill off the population to stop the social unrest from overthrowing their governments. It's social unrest and destruction of quality of life for the peasants and when the people will rise up against you it's easier to start a foreign conflict than maintain control over a hostile population. So no you're intentionally in blinders the majority of your Never Again is your own people NEVER STOPPING. You just change your clothes but your still a demon who hates life.
Exactly
Que?
Where is a war on this magnitude happening again?
We like and want to believe war can be avoided always. In reality the only time a war can be avoid is when and only when, your nation has the understanding of a war on that magnitude and the knowledge to understand consequences of fighting verses the consequences of not can war on that scale be avoided. Nations in a full blown war today are either in it because they lack that understanding or are trying to stop the people that lack the understanding
Without the bombs, the Pacific war would have progressed to a D-Day type of invasion to the mainland of Japan. This would have needed hundred of thousands of soldiers that had been fighting in Europe now off to the Pacific. Now add Kamikaze attacks, and an enemy that would not surrender and it would have been an absolute bloodbath.
The atomic bombings were horrific but the war needed to end sooner than later.
There was three choices.
Invasion-milliond of casualties
Blockade-Millions of casualties
Atom bomb-200k dead
Except it was the 4th choice : the red army invading Manchuria, which got the Japanese Army onside to surrender.
@@tommyshanks4198 Everyone has an opinion. The Japanese were willing to fight to the last man woman and child. It was the Bomb that showed the futility of that path.
@scotthill8787 wild guess here. You are an American no?
@@tommyshanks4198 Yes. Obviously. And my father, having survived combat in Europe, would have been among the troops used for Operation Olympic, if it had been necessary.
@@tommyshanks4198 thank you! This is first time I see someone bring up CCCP backstabbing Japan up in a discussion about A bombs.
Love hearing this woman tell stories, well spoken and is just entrancing to listen to
This lady is always spot on.
She most certainly was not spot on here. I'm not saying that she was right or wrong, but she was not spot on. She did not have specific figures and also citations for these figures to give. That's winging it. Or making things up. It's not spot on. We should have much higher standards for someone who's a professor and who is a specialist in Japan.
Her nuke opinion was wrong.
I remember our Korean baseball coach we had. On a weekend tournament, he would not even go to a Japanese restaurant when it was suggested. We ended up somewhere else.
Yeah ... Only people who suffer will know .. world might forget
AND, like NO other country has done in the history of war, we immediatley sent aid to feed those that we had just beaten, and eventually gave them there country back.
Thanks. I'm tired of all the America haters.
@@tomriddle6968 Someone should tell the native Americans and the descendants of the slaves.
@@jenifernaidoo7231 all peoples are descended from slaves. A million Europeans were taken as slaves through the 1800s and taken to N. Africa. Jews were slaves, Indians enslaved Indians, Africans enslaved Africans, Chinese enslaved Chinese. Welcome to planet Earth. The door is open to leave.
@@jenifernaidoo7231Sure. Some of my ancestors were Native Americans (yes, I've seen the pictures and letters that my relatives still have), as were some of my ex's ancestors who were Native American. I am also thankful that my business partner, several friends, as well of one of my son-in-law's ancestors survived slavery. No, it wasn't pretty, but their descendants thankfully survived.
Japan, Egypt, China have shipped food to people they beaten. historically sending food to those you have beaten is not a crazy idea. What is crazy is that enough food was shipped to feed millions very fast.
Thank you for seeing what most don't.
This lady is awesome. I love the honest unbiased information. This is what learning should be like.
It is so nice to Hear an Academic talk in facts and in Truth. (There is ONLY one) No Agendas, just accurate evaluation.
Starvation in Asia during WWII was atrocious. The Japanese yes but also the Chinese, Vietnamese, Indonesians, Indians, and Phillipinos all had major famines throughout the war. I'm just glad all of them were able to rebuild after such devastation.
Famines or food being routed to the colonisers?
@piranha111 famine. India was mostly self reliant at the time. Vietnam was starving as the french were occupied so they couldn't help.
@@Denozo88 Indochina was jointly occupied by Vichy France and Japan. And you could imagine what they did.
@democraticrepublicofsprout7263 I was talking about the actual French government not the puppet ruled by a senile old war hero.
@Denozo88 India had a huge role in WWII. During the Great Game Britian had installed an administrative government, and when Britian was placed under siege the government in India would run operation in Burma against Japan, Egypt against Italy, the Middle East against Vichy and Iraq, and had to deal with Axis ships in the Indian ocean.
I thought I read or heard that Japan couldn't feed it's own people before the war. I looked it up and I found that without it's colonies Japan couldn't supply enough rice for it's own people. But it was a very interesting perspective as to why the dropping of the bomb was worth it. Also I think that Britain had a problem feeding it's own population. The US feeding Britain allowed the population to do factory and military service.
Japan has like 0 agricultural strength, it's a very difficult land to sustain modern population numbers.
The USA also fed Japan after the war.
Which include she talking her ass out of her head as Japan would starve without the war. Jesus christ.
@@robertagren9360 Japan could support itself using it's colonies to supplement the food it grew in country. Once the war with the allies started. The allies started to sink the supply ships coming and going to Japan. Take away the millions of men as troops and women to do the jobs the men left behind. You now have fewer workers in the fields. Couple that with everything for the military and the civilian populations is secondary. You have a population that is living on subsistence level food or starving. Even Japan's own troops in the field were starving.
The second part is true, but also, we had massive imports from the empire (Canada). British agriculture was more manpower efficient than German agriculture, which also freed up thousands to serve. Added the near universal use of POW's as farm labour or builders.
Question is when did the use of POW's as labour become slave labour? The British treated German and Italian men well compared to the treatment British men received from Japan.
Finally someone who knows things.
Seriously?
My mom was born in 53 in Romania, her parents in '33. She said after the war it took villages over 10 years to re learn how to grow crops. Most men died on the front and the elderly, women and children lost a lot of knowledge and work power... they were eating wild herbs, waiting for summer to eat berries and fruits.
I Love this lady...nothing but facts.
This woman is a freaking national TREASURE.
Feel sorry for you if it’s so
I wish people would understand this about not only Japan but Germany. The bombing campaign that total air superiority provided in late '44 into '45 was absolutely devastating to not only the Germans but the Dutch, Belgians and French as well.
jees, i wonder why they didn't surrender then. took a whole lot more before they did.
@@plumbthumbs9584 'Took a whole lot more'? Bro the war ended in early '45, if you're going to be a pedantic dickhead about history at least be honest with your rhetoric.
If even Hermann Goring lost a whole lot of weight you know the average German must've been struggling.
@@plumbthumbs9584because bombing campaigns don't have much of an effect of the moral of the population, except hardening the resolve and turning them bitter VS the attacker.
Bombing campaigns against the civilian population and infrastructure have close to zero impact on the willingness to wage war in the population and don't end the war quicker, the only thing they do is to create mass civilian casualties and are warcrimes
@@plumbthumbs9584 they knew they were right, and that people like us would be curious why they fought so long, and would read their books and learn what they were fighting against. which of course when one looks at our political, economic, financial, sociocultural and media institutions we can see the axis were fighting a very real "scapegoat"
@@plumbthumbs9584 Love drives men mad. That's the reason anyone endures such a fucking horrible situation like the German army faced in 1944/45. People that think the German army actually operated on hatred are people that just simply don't understand how the world works and believes history is a cartoon.
This woman is a bit like that.
The submarine campaign of the Allies against Japan was able to succeed whereas the Nazi submarine campaign against Britain was eventually beaten.
Japanese didn’t have sonar
@@heyokasamurai453
They did
Many Japanese ships didn't have Radar though
Perhaps you confused those two
I lived in Micronesia 50 years after WW2 & obesity was not looked at as negative there. An islander told me why...he said being overweight showed you are loved because you are well fed & being skinny was a reminder of what it was like during the 40's.. Fear of starvation & food insecurity was very real 50 years later & carried thru generations. Hoarding huge bags of rice in homes was the norm.
Facts. Even England was starving after WWII.
Not until early 60s were they back
The comment section is genuinely unhinged, bloody hell mate, you really can excuse anything with enough gaslighting nowadays huh
The Japanese kicked things off by bombing Pearl Harbor…
If you think it it gaslighting, what do you see as the truth? Make an argument, preferably with some substantiated historical information.
@@camillaflint5423 I'll make it brief, since i believe you're not a child anymore that needs to be spoon fed about everything and I hope you'd Consider what I said instead of laying your turd in front of my door and ran off.
ever since the Fall of Nazi Germany, Japan only significant Allies in the War, They knew they've already Lost, and they already sued for Peace even before the Announcement of the atomic Bomb and before the Soviet declaration of Re entering into the War with japan.
"The Atomic Bomb played no decisive part, from a purely Military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan"
These Sentiment or Admision are shared by the US Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz who was the Commander in chief of the US Pacific Fleet in WW2 from a speech of his on October 5th 1945.
Another one from William D. Leahy, a Fleet Admiral, Senior Military officer who was an Active Duty in WW2, and a Personal Chief of Staff for both President Roosevelt and Truman has also said:
"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons." (William D. Leahy, I Was There, pg. 441).
I could go on and on, With the perpetrator's own words from Harry Truman's Memoirs, His secretary James F. Brynes, Chief Marshal of the Royal Airforce Arthur Harris,
and even from Japan Point of view of the High-ranking Foreign Minister at the time, Toshikazu kase, and The list just goes on.
About how the Bombing is essentially an International Dick waving contest, a Power move for the US to assert Dominance in the Global Stage and Create an American Centric New World Order.
But again you're not a child that needs to be babysit anymore, and I've written a Long enough response to at least Incite you to do your due diligence on the Subject, Don't take everything ppl said for granted when they don't provide any Source or Citation like this Video does.
Here's some Material you should check out:
Memoirs of Harry S.Truman
I Was There - William D. Leahy
Speaking Frankly - James F. Byrnes
All in one Lifetime - James F. Byrnes
Prompt and Utter Destruction - J. Samuel Walker
Bomber Offensive - Arthur Harris
Journey To The Missouri - Toshikazu Kase
Racing the Enemy - Tsuyoshi Hasegawa
On which part? Cuz most of what she said was pretty solid. Only thing I’d disagree with is nukes.
@@camillaflint5423 OH my holy FKN god, this comment of mine has been deleted TWICE, so here I'll make it brief, since i believe you're not a child anymore that needs to be spoon fed about everything and I hope you'd Consider what I said instead of laying your turd in front of my door and ran off.
ever since the Fall of Nazi Germany, Japan only significant Allies in the War, They knew they've already Lost, and they already sued for Peace even before the Announcement of the atomic Bomb and before the Soviet declaration of Re entering into the War with japan.
"The Atomic Bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan"
These Sentiment or Admision are shared by the US Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz who was the Commander in chief of the US Pacific Fleet in WW2 from a speech of his on October 5th 1945.
Another one from William D. Leahy, a Fleet Admiral, Senior Military officer who was an Active Duty in WW2, and a Personal Chief of Staff for both President Roosevelt and Truman has also said:
"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons." (William D. Leahy, I Was There, pg. 441).
I could go on and on, With the perpetrator's own words from Harry Truman's Memoirs, His secretary James F. Brynes, Chief Marshal of the Royal Airforce Arthur Harris, and even from Japan Point of view of the High-ranking Foreign Minister at the time, Toshikazu kase, and The list just goes on.
About how the Bombing is essentially an International Dick waving contest, a Power move for the US to assert Dominance in the Global Stage and Create an American Centric New World Order.
But again you're not a child that needs to be babysit anymore, and I've written a Long enough response to at least Incite you to do your due diligence on the Subject, Don't take everything ppl said for granted when they don't provide any Source or Citation like this Video does.
Here's some Material you should check out:
Memoirs of Harry S.Truman
I Was There - William D. Leahy
Speaking Frankly - James F. Byrnes
All in one Lifetime - James F. Byrnes
Prompt and Utter Destruction - J. Samuel Walker
Bomber Offensive - Arthur Harris
Journey To The Missouri - Toshikazu Kase
Racing the Enemy - Tsuyoshi Hasegawa
I wish you could have pushed back on the necessity for the atomic bombs and asked her about the effect the Soviet invasion of Manchuria played in Japan's surrender. The fire bombing of the home islands were far more devastating than the a-bombs
There’s your answer…the firebombing killed more people, but still did not have the psychological impact of such a massive explosion, which obviously could not be defended against. It wasn’t casualties so much as finally recognizing the futility of continuing.
The Soviet invasion is heavily debated on how much it affected the surrender of Japan, same as the bombs. It’s heavily debated that the Japanese were planning to surrender soon anyways and others say they would never surrender. It’s nearly impossible to tell, what IS assured is that if the war continued there WOULD be far more deaths and an invasion of Japan would lead to CATASTROPHIC levels of death on both sides. The Atomic Bomb was the best choice of a list of shitty outcomes, because you can *never* rely on your enemy surrendering in a total war.
the Japanese surrendered because of the bombs. the rest is speculation
Russia didn't have the logistics to invade Japan proper, they were a thorn rather than a deciding factor.
Yes but the firebombings were carried out by a thousand B-29s at a time. When the Japanese realized we could destroy an enire city with a single bomb (and having no idea we had used the only two nukes we had) they quickly surrendered.
This woman is absolutely proof you can command respect of men simply by how you carry yourself. She isn’t big she isn’t imposing she doesn’t have to be the loudest person in the room she is simply informative speaks honestly and engagingly more women would be taken seriously if they engaged in this manner
Thank you, Sarah, I love listening to you!
We need more of these people stating facts.
RIP Pfc Leo Swan Brighton MA KIA 1968 gone but not forgotten
Rip
I mean, yeah, that's the public position adopted for our use of the bomb, but it was dropped just as well for geopolitical strategy in our upcoming adversarial relationship with the USSR. We were going to let them know that we were the only nation on Earth that not only had the atom bomb, but were willing to use it.
WRONG
@@tomhenry897 Dude, Douglas MacArthur and Harry Truman, two of the most hawkish men of the 20th century, had access to nuclear explosions. They were going to make use of it. Had Inchon Landing not gone phenomenally, we may have seen it used in Korea.
Two birds with one stone
And thus prevented WWIII. The arithmetic of war is very brutal. An invasion of Japan would have cost millions of lives, a hot war with the USSR perhaps a billion. The children of Nagasaki and Hiroshima did not at all deserve what happened to them, and their suffering and death was a tragedy and an evil. Everyone had blood on their hands. The difference is one side counted the cost of civilian lives, and the other didn't.
Shit happens! You are correct, thank you for educating people
As a European (DK) from '78, I didn't learn about the millions of Indians who died from starvation as a partial result of the UK's neglect. Having not known that really bothers me.
I only recently learned about the huge famine that happened in the USSR in 1942 because of the war and the disruption it brought. The worst place to be was in the GULAG. Something like a quarter of the prisoners starved to death.
Indeed. HST took a lot of flack for dropping those bombs. He knew what he was doing. No more fighting. One of our finest presidents, he was one tough honest cookie. We need another HST in the White House.
Thanks Ms Paine.
Mouthpiece of the CIA
American submarines made it almost impossible to even ship goods between the Home Islands. Add to that American fighter bombers hitting smaller, shallow draft vessels. Japan was finished by 1945. But, their code of honor kept them fighting, until the A Bombs showed enough of the military government it was futile to continue the war.
Interesting choice of words.. showed enough.. but why can you not accept the historical facts that it was not enough, that it took the Soviet Union invading Manchuria to convince the Japanese Army to accept what others around the war cabinet table were saying?
@@tommyshanks4198 The Japanese Army didn't make the decision to surrender, the emperor did. The army continued to oppose surrender after the Soviet invasion of Manchuria. The bombs ended the war because they meant that Japan's plan for a last stand was no longer viable.
WRONG
Misinformation and lies
@@tomhenry897 Can you be specific? The Emperor certainly agreed to the surrender, and his voice had to be recorded and broadcast while he was hidden to avoid assassination. You can watch the participants on the World at War, episode “the Bomb.” That’s the BBC series, from 1974.
@@tommyshanks4198😂😂😂😂
Last part I always thought and agreed with. Oppenheimer ended a World War with 150,000 people and prevented further deaths of millions of civilians. Would I agree with it if I were one of those 150,000 people? No. But here I am, alive, and they are not.
An investigation by the admin's United States Strategic Bombing Survey showed that Japan was pursuing peace before the bombs dropped and the diplomats had instructions to accept anything up to even unconditional surrender and would have surrendered even if the bombs weren't dropped, the investigation also showed Soviet threat had no bearing on this decision.
She ain’t playing that woke nonsense just the facts ma’am and thank you
Most democrays agree that the bomb was neessacry. We just eisegree with irs continued existence becus eof the huge scale it has now.
I am really enjoying listening to her. It's always refreshing to hear someone who not only knows her subjects but doesn't try to push ( or scream ! ) an agenda. " Jist the facts ,Mamm " .👍
Japan was a big importer of food. When the US pretty much wiped out the Japanese navy and merchant fleet starvation was pretty much inevitable
That is totally false, Japanese never needed to import rice or fish; even today rice is local.
@@litoaykiu They had to import alot. The whole reason for Japanese aggression so they could build a self sustainable empire.
@@litoaykiu
That something is present doesn't mean it's enough to sustain the population
so sad, and the people egging on the wars won't get this until it happens to them.
I can barely believe how there have been primary, modern cities that have been leveled in just the most recent of times.
Finally, an accurate portrayal of the dropping of the atomic bombs. Most people want to villainize them these days.
The Japanese were ready to caputulate, they dropped it anyway
@@diviningrod2671no they weren't. The military council had meetings inbetween the first bomb and the Soviet invasion, then between the Soviet invasion and the second bomb, then after the second bomb. It was only after the second bomb that they ultimately decided to surrender through the emperor's intervention, as the council was still split, and the nukes were explicitly mentioned by him. Only after two days did he even record a message to military officials still fighting where he did mention the soviets because you can't exactly explain to someone thousands of miles away that the enemy has a single bomb brought by a single plane that can kill more people than a day's firebombing in seconds.
@myosotis4507 sure,sure thing .now explain to me how people occupy those exact ground zero locations?
An investigation by the admin's United States Strategic Bombing Survey showed that Japan was pursuing peace before the bombs dropped and the diplomats had instructions to accept anything up to even unconditional surrender and would have surrendered even if the bombs weren't dropped, the investigation also showed Soviet threat had no bearing on this decision.
@@TheMechanician Japan wasn't pursuing peace; it was one faction in the Japanese military high command which was sympathetic to peace, and had a secret diplomatic mission sent to the USSR to attempt to lay down the foundations of a peace plan with the soviets as mediators, but it went nowhere since the soviets had already been convinced by the US to join the war.
The US had access to these documents during the war as they'd cracked Japanese encryption, but there was no solid enough foundation laid within those exchanges to presume an earnest effort at peace from Japan, and, regardless of that, the council itself was not wholly in agreement about the subject and remained in deadlock until bad intelligence given by an American p.o.w., who claimed the US had a nuclear stockpile ready, and the second bomb.
This woman is a National Treasure. Like the 1950's Dragnet show...JUST THE FACTS....."
My kids will always have food to eat, even if it's someone down the street.
She’s good !
She's stupid, justifying the use of atomic bombs.
Agree I like her straight to the point messaging.
All those Atomic Bomb revisionists take note. Ending the war with the bomb saved millions.
Leningrad was besieged by Nazis for 3 years, first train sent was full of Feral Cats caught in Moscow as Rats and Mice Vermin were out of control as the Pop err forced to eat their pet dogs and cats, when train arrived the cats were let lose and within a week had 'controlled' the Vermin
The Finns also helped secure the siege of Leningrad.
@@pwalker1360 Nazi collaborators who were not accounted for at the end. Were simply left alive as a state.
Stalin never let the people leave Leningrad.
Voroshilov inititally stopped supplies from reaching Leningrad to make it look like the city isn't starving
What a pleasure to hear an educated and prepared person speak, and not the current gang of propaganda repeaters, based on ideology and not on facts.
Starvation was so horrible everywhere in the world at that point because of the war. When I hear stories of my grandparents and my great grandparents (when they were still alive) it always made me sick for days…. I couldn’t stop thinking about the horrors they had to go though ( we are German) everyone involved in the war suffered! Sadly a lot of people start forgetting the horrors of war….
Not to self: don’t go on a speed date with this one
Don't forget how Stalin created a famine in Ukraine and how the British starved India, both in WWII.
Britain did not deliberately starve the Bengal people, it was a combination of incompetance and the wartime conditions that combined to exacerbate the local conditions into something far worse. That is a significant difference between Bengal and the Ukrainian Holodomor...
@@Rendell001save the bs for Churchill fan clubs and study colonialism from a non western perspective.... If really interested... Which I suspect you aren't.... So, don't defend... Just shrug your hands off in silence like a typical western person
Stalin starved millions, not just Ukrainians--that was Ukrainian Nationalist propaganda. Two million Ukrainians starved, yes, but about five to six overall in the Soviet Union. It was due in large part to Stalin's mismanagement of agriculture, but also to climate. At the same time in the US we were experiencing the "Dust Bowl" in the Great Plains. Poor agricultural policies & corporate greed are almost as bad for food production as Stalinist collective farms, then get a ten year drought & wham--millions die!
@@Rendell001 Since it is done by Britain, blame the Indian. This is typical mentality of westerners
@@christophercoleman6596so a third of the deaths were Ukrainian ? How come ukraine was touched that much more severely than anyone else ?
Um...ma'am... This is a Wendy's. 😳
The food and supply chain is everything. That’s why there are so many preppers. Great video. Thank you.
Unrestricted submarine warfare doesn't get talked about nearly enough when talking about why Japan surrendered.
She needs to study history. The Russians were moving in from the north and the Japanese were ready to surrender. The atomic bombs were just to show what the US could do. Dropping them was unnecessary.
She needs to study history! 😂😂😂
We went from planned starvation to feeding the enemy. Humane, but also ensures wars can never be won by democracies
And I believe we were the first country to rebuild the countries that we bombed.
I like her ..she is just real and factual...you can't argue with what she says
Imagine if journalism was like this lady
My Dad was in the 11th Airborne in the Pacific. The Battle of Manila was ended a few months before the bomb was dropped. The official end of the battle was 2 months before the battle itself was over. After the Philippines the generals looked at the blood bath the island hopping strategy was for the Marines and the Japanese fight to the death mentality. They didn't like the way the Japanese had defended their territory, and figured that would be the way they would defend their home islands. The lives of both the civilians and the soldiers who would be saved by using the bombs cannot be understood if you don't do the research.
It's cruel but that is the way you break the will of the enemy.
Makes one proud to be a member of the human race.
The amount we have collectively forgotten about how war works in this civilized age where it's all broadcast on the news is astonishing.
My great uncle was a cook on a navy ship. Him and 2 other guys used to smuggle food on a life boat out to japanese families because they couldn't stand to see women and children starving to death. This was very illegal and they would have faced really bad consequences if caught. He didn't even tell anyone about this until he was very old and no longer worried about the potential consequences such as losing his military retirement.
I can listen to her for hours and days
She’s brilliant.
I've always been on the fence with this subject, but I never heard this argument made until now. She has a very good point.
Its called ATTRITION!! Basis of most wars. Its a war...Not a Party.
It’s also an argument for making sure to keep our farm healthy and working.
That’s why we subsidize farmers for corn (ethanol) production.
Man, I sure hope nobody was burning boats, carts, and fields during a famine while also forcing them to export rice. That would be awful.
There was atomic bombs as terrible as the deaths at Hiroshima and Nagasaki as she said saved millions of lives. There was no land invasion which would've killed and destroyed almost all of Japan because the military was not giving up. It also saved thousands of US soldier casualties. There's a reason why there were so many purple hearts made, and it was because of that land invasion.
This woman is a brilliant historian
Fun fact: instant noodles got invented in Japan to use the wheat that the USA gave to them. Japanese people don't eat a lot of bread, but they do eat noodles as a food staple. It was found that flash-frying noodles dried them out so that they would keep for a very long time and were easily transported. Of course, instant noodles were very easily cooked upon being received by the population and so instant ramen was born - and it's been a hit ever since!
Thank you for reasonable study of historical events .