This is why I watch you. This video is a perfect example of why you're the best UA-camr in the cruise space - you deal in facts. You do the research, you put in the time and the work, and you come up with the facts and you fill in the blanks and answer the questions everyone has based on those facts, not guesses or hunches. Yes, I agree 100% with everything you said here.
What doesn't make sense is that I can fly down to Mexico, walk around anywhere I want, in the same areas the cruise passengers go,, with or without a mask, jump on a plane and come back to the US no problem.
Which is why I will be vacationing at all inclusive resorts in Mexico in lieu of cruising for the foreseeable future, until these ridiculous restrictions are lifted.
Totally agree with you the CDC and far left are causing alot of the issues you can survive from covid19 and actually masks don't save lives it has actually been proven it's pointless to wear a mask if we are vaccinated. Like I've told people if you wanna live in fear for the rest of your life that's on you not on me I'm going to live my life fear free the cdc is just helping the far left control the US to cause a economic collapse and force everyone into poverty like i said to have more control over the people aka slavery.
I agree that they should let Norwegian do a 100% vaccinated Cruise how else will we learn what works and what doesn't and stop stopping people who want to cruise if they're willing to vaccinate to cruise then let them do so
According to the CDC you can take a cruise, if you stay away from everyone on the cruise ships, wear a mask at all times, go straight to your Room, watch the entertainment shows on the television, order all of your meals via room service, Never leave your room until the end of the cruise, Enjoy your vacation.
meanwhile Casinos in Las Vegas will be full steam ahead, probably without masks in 1-2 months. And STILL waiting for that 2 week surge from Texas dropping all restrictions, packed ball stadiums (2+ months and counting)
@@LaLidoLoca It has definitely been a much longer road than it had to be. Americans are notorious for simply ignoring rules that they don't like or think should apply to them. The countries that have come through this pandemic the best are those that are basically rule followers and consider actions for the common good to be appropriate.
The cruise industry should stop trying to appease the CDC. It's a waste of resources. They said what they said & everytime they're challenged, they double down. If the court sides with them, that's a wrap. They'll always have the preservation-of-life argument on their side and that trumps economic concerns. Sail from other ports until the health emergency declaration is lifted.
@@caddothegreat HIPPA doesn't mean that you never have to share your medical information or that a company can't ask for it. It's a law that governs how the people you share your medical information with can share it with others. In other words, your general practitioner can't just decide that since you have flat feet that they should share that information with Dr. Scholl's. You have to make the decision to contact Dr. Scholl's, which your doctor can advise you to do. Basically when you give medical information, there's a privacy statement that tells you what that entity plans to share with others and you either decline or accept it. A vaccine passport would likely state that they will only share your personal identifier and a yes/no value about whether or not you are current on your immunization.
Tony thanks for making sense in this almost totally senseless situation. And YES THE CDC MISSED IT! I'm picturing them as "pier runners" instead of leaders in this mess! I wish we could wave goodbye to them from the lido!
If they are certain that the vaccine is that effective, then I can't understand why a cruise providing documentation of 100% vaccination shouldn't be allowed. Before my first cruise, I was concerned because of all the Noravirus horror stories. However RCL"s level of sanitation was amazing and completed allayed any fears of becoming ill due to lack of hygiene. CDC needs to figure which direction they really want to go.
I agree, I have been on a few cruises. And they keep their ships spotless. They are constantly cleaning, sanitizing surfaces. And sanitizing stations for both crew and passengers to use almost at every corner you turn. And their kitchens, immaculate (had an opportunity to go behind the scenes). I've been in food service all my life at a multi unit level. And believe me the cruise industry is second to none when it comes to cleaning and sanitizing.
That answered my question of how the CDC can control the mask requirements out of U.S. waters. Thank you for following up with that. I would volunteer for the fully vaccinated cruise with no mask requirements. I agree with you 100% about the CDC missing the opportunity. You made a great point.
Thanks Tony for the explanation on how the CDC can control what happens at foreign ports. And yes, the CDC missed the "boat" when they could have proven out vaccinated cruises.
Why does the CDC operate as if we will be 'forced' to go on a cruise? I have always gone on a cruise because I wanted to and just can't understand the CDC continuing to handle the industry as if it is an entity that herds people up and marches them into these ships against the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I think it’s the letting people back in the country after foreign travel that has them so intense about it. They have unique control over cruise ships at sea ports.
@@LaLidoLoca then why don’t they stop all international flights? Why are our diplomats still able to go to and from other said countries? And why can I go to Mexico on a flight and back with no issues?
@La Lida Loca. Do you think the CDC will even remove these rules on cruise ships when the pandemic is at the point where there are no restrictions on land? At this point I'm doubting it.
@Ron Tell Dat I appreciate your perspective, but if you heard what Tony said about how the CDC feels about cruising in general, I think I’m pretty spot on.
@Ron Tell Dat For one, I’m cynical. Two, I’m sure they believe it’s for the best, but I also believe they have no problem discouraging cruising. They are known to not like it. Tony reiterated that here (that’s why I brought it up), and I’ve heard it before. Long before any pandemic. They just couldn’t stop it before Covid. That empowered them. Eventually they will relent again.
@Ron Tell Dat "IT IS A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY". Until the CDC find a way to cut into that 'Multi-billion purse, they will continue to be a nuisance to the cruise industry. PERIOD.
I won’t be getting a vaccination that took a few months to develop, especially one that was never researched on humans or how it will affect the elderly, those with underlying illnesses or allergies. Besides my doctor told me it takes 3-4 years to develop vaccines and that’s why they and other meds are so expensive. Who knows what the long-term effects will be of a vaccine that was never fully tested?
Re: a fully vaccinated voyage to prove a point. I honestly think the CDC is afraid to try. If anyone comes back positive (and they already say vaccines are not 100% effective) it will kill their attempts to sell the reluctant on getting vaccinated.
Shouldn't be forced to make the choice to get the vaccine because you want to cruise. Have some fully vaccinated cruises and some that you do not have to be vaccinated. Just required a negative Covid test and do temp screening throughout the cruise!!
Thanks Tony. I agree that the CDC missed the mark on this. They requirements for vaccinated cruises should have at least met the CDC's requirements for fully vaccinated on land and it doesn't because they just released guidance that if you are fully vaccinated and outdoors you don't need to wear as mask in almost all scenarios (including sitting by the pool).
I still honestly believe the CDC has no desire for cruising to start. I'm usually a positive person, but also a realist. .They just don't want cruising to start now. This is a passion topic and not a logic topic. What they're doing doesn't make sense, but that is by design
This video is on another level when it comes to explanatory value. Thank you for your effort. Rarely do you find a mini-class on US law on a cruise video, but you answered the question as to where the gov't gets it's authority.
I’m with Don as well in the fact I’m surprised a “capacity limit” was not stated in the technical guidance manual. Theoretically, you could sail at 100% capacity with all the regulations. I don’t think any cruise line will sail at 100% because social distancing would literally be impossible.
All good info Tony, even if we don't like the message. We need to remember that the CDC has a big job trying to cover all bases, but they clearly have missed doing their homework on cruising. We just need to keep communicating to our elected officials that they need to get things moving. This isn't just about us wanting to have fun again; it's about economic recovery.
I get pratique and didn't doubt at all that we can set conditions on ships or planes to follow particular guidelines before disembarking passengers to U.S. soil. What I don't get is why they're treating cruise ships as plague ships, especially when there's real-world, current evidence that enforcing protocols has made cruise ships one of the safest places to be in the world right now. I'm getting on a plane three weeks from today and I'm nervous about it. I wouldn't be nervous about getting on a ship (except for the nervousness that comes from when I'm convinced I've forgotten something important).
Another well done cruise news update. Agree the CDC isn’t going to change how the look at cruise ships. However, they need the apply the same science they apply to everything else to how they decide what is necessary for passenger safety. Not to mention acknowledging that cruising was safe, pre-vaccine, for several months.
I agree with another commenter, it's groundhog day for sure. What the heck was it even like in the Before Times watching your show? Was there debate about drink packages, is it worth it to upgrade your stateroom? Heated discussions about port excursions? I'm not sure I can even imagine what it would be like to just talk about the merits of drink packages...
Thanks again, Tony. Very informative. I think we should all just chill out and accept whatever it takes for cruising to get started. Sure, the cruises will start out super strict, but as US cruises demonstrate successful cruising, restrictions will most likely ease up. Those who don't like the restrictions don't have to cruise. 95% passenger vaccinated cruises is close to 100% vaccinated. Do it with restrictions first. After success, do it without fewer restrictions. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
The CDC wants the cruise ships to give them a lot of $$$$. Then you will see how quick cruising protocol will change. Thanks for the great explanation. Keeping it real.
I just read the CDC recommendations for international travel, fully vaccinated don't have to do anything when returning to the U.S, not vaccinated have to have a negative covid test less than 3 days old. So, my question still remains why does the CDC treat cruise ship travel any differently than if I traveled to Europe and either took a cruise ship or some other tour? I absolutely agree....what better way to prove the vaccine is effective than to allow fully vaccinated cruises to proceed without restrictions. We are both vaccinated, but those I know that refuse say "Why should I? Nothing changes if I do?" Good points!
My head is spinning, not sure what to believe anymore I'm just having a back up vacation for next April just in case my cruise from NOLA gets canceled. I am now fully vaccinated, my husband is fully vaccinated and I'm not above going to nassu to catch a cruise. Watch and wait..and prepare for the worsed
The cdc is killing the cruise industry. Why? Notice on the cdc’s guide, it never lists “Normal, Open, Unrestricted Cruising”. Those who hold power are often very reluctant to give it up.
Thanks for your explanation of Free Practique. It makes sense in terms healthy practices on vessels bringing passengers into U.S. Ports and why CDC has a say-so over what happens on those vessels.
This is a little why I don't think the Florida mandate on not asking vaccine status matters. Ports are under the Federal gov't and right now the CDC allows it. I'm just hoping my Sept cruise gets canceled soon, so I can plan for next year (repositioning from AK to Mexico, and we know AK is not going to happen!)
Azi Pod not Azia Pod, lol. Good information as Always Tony. CDC is represented in the cruise industry by United States Public Health inspectors who visit any vessel carrying 200 plus passengers unannounced for inspections twice a year. Those vessels must comply to the Vessel Sanitation Program and ar scored out of 100 with points deducted for findings. I am sure the next update to the VSP manual will have major additions for compliance with COVID protocols.
Funny how my niece on April 19,2021 flew from Washington DC to Las Vegas and the flight was booked they were seated side by side so arm touching happened during the flight...no social distancing was in place. She also said people had mask but most of the passengers took them off during flight and wasn’t asked to put them back on! So how is this fair?? Is the CDC not monitoring this to make sure protocols are being followed? To me the CDC is very much discriminating against cruising! Just wondering are the airplane companies required to have agreements set up with the airports, hotels and hospitals like what is proposed to the cruising industry? Pretty sure my cruise will be canceled in July and at this point I’m thinking of canceling myself..... if I want to ride a roller coaster then I’ll go to an amusement park!!
NCL could always sail out of the Bahamas, Barbados, Saint Maarten, or Cozumel and still require 100% shots for crew and passengers. Then if everything is okay, present the findings to the CDC and hopefully proceed to the next level.
My favorite thing in the world to do is cruise! Life sucks right now, I honestly don’t see myself taking a cruise again for years. I believe COVID rules and bs will be around for a long time. I want a normal type of cruise. Is there hope?
Tony, thanks for clearly outlining the issues. However, I'm more convinced than ever that the CDC doesn't care about missed opportunities. They are totally into stalling cruises in any way they can. They don't care that many people are out of work or that the cruise lines are bleeding money. They only care about trying to get to zero risk. They will continue to throw obstacles in the path of cruising from the US as long as possible.
Let me see if this make sense. You can travel to Bahamas for your cruise and walk around Nassau port before or after your cruise (outside of the cruise bubble) and then travel back to US on an airline and not quarantine. But if you were able to cruise from Miami to Nassau and return you could NOT walk around the port without being on a cruise only excursion.
I was very curious about how the CDC had “authority” to say what happens in foreign ports and international waters. The big “guidance that threw me” was saying “only one ship in port for private islands.” Well those private islands are mainly in the Bahamas and my thought was the CDC can’t tell the Bahamas how to deal with port decisions (1 ship or multiple). Side note I did actually know about the International Flag Code. Been studying it just for a fun “good to know”
Oh wow!!! I never thought of that!!! That’s what they should have done! That would have been great to know! Where else would you get that type of real wood testing? You so smart! ☺️
I always enjoy your videos, Tony but this is one of your best. The explanation about why the CDC would have control over operations outside of US waters was so helpful and I completely agree with your points about where the CDC really missed the opportunity.
TYVM! For policy/political reasons I do not think the CDC is going to require vaccines. I strongly agree that they should strongly incentivize good policy; have long and arduous test sailing procedures for unvaccinated cruises and much simpler for the desired vaccinated cruises. In fact, there is a simple and face-saving fix. A couple of paragraphs saying that cruises with literal 100% (not just adults who can & will) vaccinated and that rapid test on embark/debark can have maskless cruises and do not need a test sailing.
I think part of the problem is that none of the major ships operating out of Florida, Texas, New York, and other ports in the continental U.S. are U.S. flagged. So, none of them have many American employees. If a U.S. cruise line had a fleet of U.S.-flagged ships, with American crews with union representation, things might be different. Apparently, several unions representing school teachers got the CDC to backtrack on protocols for schools.
The problem is too that the governor of Florida won’t let the cruise lines ask if you are vaccinated so how are they to know if you are fully vaccinated or not?
Thanks so much for the explanation regarding CDC R&Rs applying to non-US ports. I definitely had some questions about that. At this point, I am waiting for your cruise out of The Bahamas. I want to hear all about the experience. I am booked for 2/2022 (out of Miami) and hoping things will be somewhat sorted by then. I am not a person who is so enamored of spending time at sea that I don't care if we can't get off and roam around on our own...even with a mask, when required. I like to think of cruising as a vacation on my way to vacation.
What annoys me (and many others) is the conflicting messages from the CDC. If I'm vaccinated, why do I have to live with all these restrictions? Because I may still carry it to non-vaccinated people? But that begs the question of when do we simply allow those who refuse to vaccinate to live with an increased chance they will contract COVID? I don't think keeping the world at a stand still until everyone is vaccinated is realistic. I have been trying to figure out their end game for awhile now.
I agree with you Tony they did lose a huge opportunity. What I'm guessing will happen is if you don't book an Excursion you can't leave the ship. Do you think this is assumption is correct? Sometimes I just like to go to the port area, wander around a little bit, maybe buy a souvenir or two then go back to the ship. It doesn't sound like I would be allowed to do that. Our cruise in September is to three islands I've never been to before we haven't made a decision on what we want to do.
At about 16:30 an American Cruises tour bus passed me in Boise. It looked like they were heading West for somewhere along the Columbia River. That might be a good sign for the river boats.
The Gov't has other departments that can do pop up visits. Think Food and Health inspections. Now I would love to volunteer to go on NCL for 100% vaccinated but normal style cruise and will sign a waiver to go.
Thanks for your explanation of why you can't do what you want in international waters . It would be great if they were to allow NCL do what you suggested. They just need to let the Cruise lines start back up again somehow someway just let them get back, too many people are struggling with not being able to sail.
While it would be interesting to see NCL experiment with 100% vaccinated passenger and staff cruises, statistically we would expect 10% of those people to have covid ( none of the vaccines are 100% effective). So at the end of that cruise, a ship with a total occupancy of 2000, would have an expectation of 200 infected. There would be no opportunity to claim success.
Tony, I think your comments are right on the money. The CDC should set guidelines for test Cruises and non-vaccinated Cruises. Totally vaccinated Cruises should have much less restriction.
Personally, I think the CDC realized that the biggest stumbling block to restarting cruises from the US was the test cruises. And they realized that the protocols & processes that would be demonstrated during the test cruises were not relevant to a fully vaccinated ship. So, they made two branches in the “return to sailing” process. Then, I think, they brought those two branches back together for actual cruises when the two branches should have stayed as two branches with different requirements for actual sailings.
This doesn't really apply to our cruise, next month though, right, Tony? Coming out and back to Nassau, Royal is basically practicing their healthy protocols, but some are different like no masks in open-air (aka the Lido) since we are all vaccinated.
This is why I watch you. This video is a perfect example of why you're the best UA-camr in the cruise space - you deal in facts. You do the research, you put in the time and the work, and you come up with the facts and you fill in the blanks and answer the questions everyone has based on those facts, not guesses or hunches. Yes, I agree 100% with everything you said here.
What doesn't make sense is that I can fly down to Mexico, walk around anywhere I want, in the same areas the cruise passengers go,, with or without a mask, jump on a plane and come back to the US no problem.
Which is why I will be vacationing at all inclusive resorts in Mexico in lieu of cruising for the foreseeable future, until these ridiculous restrictions are lifted.
The CDC has way too much power.
So Far CDC has excelled in Misguidance.
Totally agree with you the CDC and far left are causing alot of the issues you can survive from covid19 and actually masks don't save lives it has actually been proven it's pointless to wear a mask if we are vaccinated. Like I've told people if you wanna live in fear for the rest of your life that's on you not on me I'm going to live my life fear free the cdc is just helping the far left control the US to cause a economic collapse and force everyone into poverty like i said to have more control over the people aka slavery.
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No one can changed my mind this is 100% political.
I need a t-shirt that says..... LA LIDO LOCA - LET'S TALK ABOUT IT
Also how he's ending some of his videos lately. I sent a encyclopedia salesmen to your house.
Great ideal Hey Tony How about some La Lido Loca merchandise that be cool !!!
That's a great idea! I'd buy one!
Dont forget the Hey Hey Hey
I agree that they should let Norwegian do a 100% vaccinated Cruise how else will we learn what works and what doesn't and stop stopping people who want to cruise if they're willing to vaccinate to cruise then let them do so
According to the CDC you can take a cruise, if you stay away from everyone on the cruise ships, wear a mask at all times, go straight to your Room, watch the entertainment shows on the television, order all of your meals via room service, Never leave your room until the end of the cruise, Enjoy your vacation.
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Pretty much😏
Sad but true!!!!
meanwhile Casinos in Las Vegas will be full steam ahead, probably without masks in 1-2 months. And STILL waiting for that 2 week surge from Texas dropping all restrictions, packed ball stadiums (2+ months and counting)
@@monykalynf3604 The Atlanta Braves were up to full capacity at their game tonight.
It's as if the CDC held meetings with the cruise industry people......and didn't listen to any of it....
Do you fell like we're all in the movie Groundhog Day?
Feels like Private Ryan to me. Slowly making our way to the goal but it’s not been easy or without casualty. :)
@@LaLidoLoca It has definitely been a much longer road than it had to be. Americans are notorious for simply ignoring rules that they don't like or think should apply to them. The countries that have come through this pandemic the best are those that are basically rule followers and consider actions for the common good to be appropriate.
Don't forget your booties, 'cause it's COLD out there!
We've got herd immunity so STOP the infringement on our freedoms
NO JAB we assume our own risk
Been on two cruises & not gotten sick
Tony - I nominate you for CDC cruise liasion. Thank you for making sense of all this muck. Agreed - they really blew a chance.
Absolutely agree - the CDC has squandered an incredible opportunity to show a carrot for vaccination and instead have given us the stick.
The cruise industry should stop trying to appease the CDC. It's a waste of resources. They said what they said & everytime they're challenged, they double down. If the court sides with them, that's a wrap. They'll always have the preservation-of-life argument on their side and that trumps economic concerns. Sail from other ports until the health emergency declaration is lifted.
How does vaccine passport get around Medical Privacy HIPAA ?
@@caddothegreat HIPPA doesn't mean that you never have to share your medical information or that a company can't ask for it. It's a law that governs how the people you share your medical information with can share it with others. In other words, your general practitioner can't just decide that since you have flat feet that they should share that information with Dr. Scholl's. You have to make the decision to contact Dr. Scholl's, which your doctor can advise you to do. Basically when you give medical information, there's a privacy statement that tells you what that entity plans to share with others and you either decline or accept it. A vaccine passport would likely state that they will only share your personal identifier and a yes/no value about whether or not you are current on your immunization.
@@caddothegreat For the gazillionth time, HIPAA has no barring on vaccine visas.
For the gozillenth time the Covid has been politicized. Follow the money
I’d like to see the cruise lines give the 🖕 to the CDC and starting sailings from Mexico and the Caribbean. This is beyond ridiculous.
They are on some level.
I am just shocked that a government agency does not want to give up their "power" over telling people what to do.
Do you honestly believe it’s incompetence and not intentional? C’mon, man!
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Sarcasm right
Hello Nazi Germany!
It’s my patriotic duty to disobey the CDC. C’mon man you know that thing
Tony thanks for making sense in this almost totally senseless situation. And YES THE CDC MISSED IT! I'm picturing them as "pier runners" instead of leaders in this mess! I wish we could wave goodbye to them from the lido!
As Reagan famously said, the 9 most frightening words an American citizen can hear is: "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help!"
Yeah that would terrify me vs make me feel safe
Regan was a fear monger and ironically leader of the government .
Fear monger 🤣
Yep.
@@rubegrande Or you could read a history book....
The problem with the "Phase Approach" poster is that it doesn't ever show a phase 5!
If they are certain that the vaccine is that effective, then I can't understand why a cruise providing documentation of 100% vaccination shouldn't be allowed. Before my first cruise, I was concerned because of all the Noravirus horror stories. However RCL"s level of sanitation was amazing and completed allayed any fears of becoming ill due to lack of hygiene. CDC needs to figure which direction they really want to go.
I agree, I have been on a few cruises. And they keep their ships spotless. They are constantly cleaning, sanitizing surfaces. And sanitizing stations for both crew and passengers to use almost at every corner you turn. And their kitchens, immaculate (had an opportunity to go behind the scenes).
I've been in food service all my life at a multi unit level. And believe me the cruise industry is second to none when it comes to cleaning and sanitizing.
I think they key to your statement is that they are not certain the vaccine is that effective.
BEST CHANNEL EVER FOR CRUISE NEWS!! Thank you 😁
That answered my question of how the CDC can control the mask requirements out of U.S. waters. Thank you for following up with that.
I would volunteer for the fully vaccinated cruise with no mask requirements.
I agree with you 100% about the CDC missing the opportunity. You made a great point.
Thanks Tony for the explanation on how the CDC can control what happens at foreign ports.
And yes, the CDC missed the "boat" when they could have proven out vaccinated cruises.
Why does the CDC operate as if we will be 'forced' to go on a cruise? I have always gone on a cruise because I wanted to and just can't understand the CDC continuing to handle the industry as if it is an entity that herds people up and marches them into these ships against the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I think it’s the letting people back in the country after foreign travel that has them so intense about it. They have unique control over cruise ships at sea ports.
@@LaLidoLoca then why don’t they stop all international flights? Why are our diplomats still able to go to and from other said countries? And why can I go to Mexico on a flight and back with no issues?
Loved your comment I have said for ages cruising is a choice and no one makes you go!
@@hermanallen2836 CDC treats cruise ships differently than airlines.
Ok fine. Screw US ports then. Let’s just all leave from Barbados.
@La Lida Loca. Do you think the CDC will even remove these rules on cruise ships when the pandemic is at the point where there are no restrictions on land? At this point I'm doubting it.
CDC: let’s see how miserable we can make cruising.
@Ron Tell Dat I appreciate your perspective, but if you heard what Tony said about how the CDC feels about cruising in general, I think I’m pretty spot on.
@Ron Tell Dat For one, I’m cynical. Two, I’m sure they believe it’s for the best, but I also believe they have no problem discouraging cruising. They are known to not like it. Tony reiterated that here (that’s why I brought it up), and I’ve heard it before. Long before any pandemic. They just couldn’t stop it before Covid. That empowered them. Eventually they will relent again.
@Ron Tell Dat "IT IS A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY". Until the CDC find a way to cut into that 'Multi-billion purse, they will continue to be a nuisance to the cruise industry. PERIOD.
Wow, you did well explaining thank you. You have good subjection. Hopefully the right people are listening...
CDC: Here's a clear path to cruising... Oop - just kidding!
I got vaccinated so I could cruise again. It is getting so frustrating that they are making it hard to. Thanks for always keeping us informed.
... so confusing ... and just when I had figured out Swine Flu ...
I won’t be getting a vaccination that took a few months to develop, especially one that was never researched on humans or how it will affect the elderly, those with underlying illnesses or allergies. Besides my doctor told me it takes 3-4 years to develop vaccines and that’s why they and other meds are so expensive. Who knows what the long-term effects will be of a vaccine that was never fully tested?
Legit same. That's why I got it too
Same here, but it’s my patriotic duty to disobey the CDC. C’mon man you know that thing
Yet I can fly to Mexico and none of this applies! Cdc is out of control
What are the restrictions in place when you fly back from Mexico? Are there any?
I understand the issue and agree the cdc did miss an opportunity. It’s going to be interesting to see how it plays out
That is an excellent idea!! Thanks Toni 🥰☺️👏🏼👏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Wow I appreciate the breakdown of how these port rules work. You can learn something new everyday.
We probably should be grateful CDC didn’t require full hazmat gear to be worn by passengers! Oops! That’s in the next notice...🛳💕🤪
Oh geez, don't give them any ideas lol 😆
Re: a fully vaccinated voyage to prove a point. I honestly think the CDC is afraid to try. If anyone comes back positive (and they already say vaccines are not 100% effective) it will kill their attempts to sell the reluctant on getting vaccinated.
Someone deep into CDC hates the cruise industry
They’re recommending a third Pfizer vaccine 12 months from first two.. this is never going to end
they said it in the beginning -- for those who choose to participate -- a yearly thing ... just like those who choose to get the flu shot
This all adds up to an exhausting trainwreck....the Gov't bureaucracy is simply mind-numbing...
Shouldn't be forced to make the choice to get the vaccine because you want to cruise. Have some fully vaccinated cruises and some that you do not have to be vaccinated. Just required a negative Covid test and do temp screening throughout the cruise!!
Thanks Tony. I agree that the CDC missed the mark on this. They requirements for vaccinated cruises should have at least met the CDC's requirements for fully vaccinated on land and it doesn't because they just released guidance that if you are fully vaccinated and outdoors you don't need to wear as mask in almost all scenarios (including sitting by the pool).
I still honestly believe the CDC has no desire for cruising to start. I'm usually a positive person, but also a realist. .They just don't want cruising to start now. This is a passion topic and not a logic topic. What they're doing doesn't make sense, but that is by design
Happy Mother's day, Ms. Jenny!
Thanks for explaining, well, this seals it. First US cruises coming November 1st.
This video is on another level when it comes to explanatory value. Thank you for your effort. Rarely do you find a mini-class on US law on a cruise video, but you answered the question as to where the gov't gets it's authority.
100% agree. They could have turned up the heat on Florida but fumbled the ball on the 2 yard line.
So are you also saying that if a ship never touches a US port, it doesn’t have to adhere to CDC guidelines???
Yes!
I’m with Don as well in the fact I’m surprised a “capacity limit” was not stated in the technical guidance manual. Theoretically, you could sail at 100% capacity with all the regulations. I don’t think any cruise line will sail at 100% because social distancing would literally be impossible.
Thank you for looking through the CFRs and providing a thorough explanation. I appreciate your research!
All good info Tony, even if we don't like the message. We need to remember that the CDC has a big job trying to cover all bases, but they clearly have missed doing their homework on cruising. We just need to keep communicating to our elected officials that they need to get things moving. This isn't just about us wanting to have fun again; it's about economic recovery.
I get pratique and didn't doubt at all that we can set conditions on ships or planes to follow particular guidelines before disembarking passengers to U.S. soil. What I don't get is why they're treating cruise ships as plague ships, especially when there's real-world, current evidence that enforcing protocols has made cruise ships one of the safest places to be in the world right now.
I'm getting on a plane three weeks from today and I'm nervous about it. I wouldn't be nervous about getting on a ship (except for the nervousness that comes from when I'm convinced I've forgotten something important).
Yes they did 100%. You are absolutely correct
Another well done cruise news update.
Agree the CDC isn’t going to change how the look at cruise ships. However, they need the apply the same science they apply to everything else to how they decide what is necessary for passenger safety. Not to mention acknowledging that cruising was safe, pre-vaccine, for several months.
Guidance or SABOTAGE???💯
Follow the money.... how many Democ..... I mean politicians... I mean people invested in the cruise industry
I agree with another commenter, it's groundhog day for sure. What the heck was it even like in the Before Times watching your show? Was there debate about drink packages, is it worth it to upgrade your stateroom? Heated discussions about port excursions?
I'm not sure I can even imagine what it would be like to just talk about the merits of drink packages...
Thanks again, Tony. Very informative. I think we should all just chill out and accept whatever it takes for cruising to get started. Sure, the cruises will start out super strict, but as US cruises demonstrate successful cruising, restrictions will most likely ease up. Those who don't like the restrictions don't have to cruise. 95% passenger vaccinated cruises is close to 100% vaccinated. Do it with restrictions first. After success, do it without fewer restrictions. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
Cruise news is like a train wreck you just can’t stop looking. One great news story and then several back steps. I’m done
This whole thing has gotten completely out of hand. I see no end in sight!
The CDC wants the cruise ships to give them a lot of $$$$. Then you will see how quick cruising protocol will change. Thanks for the great explanation. Keeping it real.
I just read the CDC recommendations for international travel, fully vaccinated don't have to do anything when returning to the U.S, not vaccinated have to have a negative covid test less than 3 days old. So, my question still remains why does the CDC treat cruise ship travel any differently than if I traveled to Europe and either took a cruise ship or some other tour? I absolutely agree....what better way to prove the vaccine is effective than to allow fully vaccinated cruises to proceed without restrictions. We are both vaccinated, but those I know that refuse say "Why should I? Nothing changes if I do?" Good points!
I hope this mess is better in April 2022. Thanks for the update Tony. You all take care!
My head is spinning, not sure what to believe anymore I'm just having a back up vacation for next April just in case my cruise from NOLA gets canceled. I am now fully vaccinated, my husband is fully vaccinated and I'm not above going to nassu to catch a cruise. Watch and wait..and prepare for the worsed
The cdc is killing the cruise industry.
Why?
Notice on the cdc’s guide, it never lists “Normal, Open, Unrestricted Cruising”.
Those who hold power are often very reluctant to give it up.
Thanks for your explanation of Free Practique. It makes sense in terms healthy practices on vessels bringing passengers into U.S. Ports and why CDC has a say-so over what happens on those vessels.
This is a little why I don't think the Florida mandate on not asking vaccine status matters. Ports are under the Federal gov't and right now the CDC allows it. I'm just hoping my Sept cruise gets canceled soon, so I can plan for next year (repositioning from AK to Mexico, and we know AK is not going to happen!)
Azi Pod not Azia Pod, lol. Good information as Always Tony. CDC is represented in the cruise industry by United States Public Health inspectors who visit any vessel carrying 200 plus passengers unannounced for inspections twice a year. Those vessels must comply to the Vessel Sanitation Program and ar scored out of 100 with points deducted for findings. I am sure the next update to the VSP manual will have major additions for compliance with COVID protocols.
I thought everything was going to be opened up by the 4th of July!
I've got a bridge I'm gonna sell you!!!
Yeah, lol. Remember, “Two weeks to stop the spread!”?
Of which year? Believe me it's just as bad here in Australia.🍻🍻
I'll circle back to you on that
Thanks for the mini-legal minute!! It is obvious they had the authority, but I’d never heard anyone discuss it.
Funny how my niece on April 19,2021 flew from Washington DC to Las Vegas and the flight was booked they were seated side by side so arm touching happened during the flight...no social distancing was in place. She also said people had mask but most of the passengers took them off during flight and wasn’t asked to put them back on! So how is this fair?? Is the CDC not monitoring this to make sure protocols are being followed? To me the CDC is very much discriminating against cruising! Just wondering are the airplane companies required to have agreements set up with the airports, hotels and hospitals like what is proposed to the cruising industry? Pretty sure my cruise will be canceled in July and at this point I’m thinking of canceling myself..... if I want to ride a roller coaster then I’ll go to an amusement park!!
BTW, Great job as usual Tony. Keep up the good work.
NCL could always sail out of the Bahamas, Barbados, Saint Maarten, or Cozumel and still require 100% shots for crew and passengers. Then if everything is okay, present the findings to the CDC and hopefully proceed to the next level.
My favorite thing in the world to do is cruise! Life sucks right now, I honestly don’t see myself taking a cruise again for years. I believe COVID rules and bs will be around for a long time. I want a normal type of cruise. Is there hope?
Tony, thanks for clearly outlining the issues. However, I'm more convinced than ever that the CDC doesn't care about missed opportunities. They are totally into stalling cruises in any way they can. They don't care that many people are out of work or that the cruise lines are bleeding money. They only care about trying to get to zero risk. They will continue to throw obstacles in the path of cruising from the US as long as possible.
I am 1,000% with you on your assessment re: vaccinations required to cruise. Yes, the CDC “missed the boat” on this one for sure.
Sorry, but the gov't continuously moves the goal posts are every step.
Let me see if this make sense. You can travel to Bahamas for your cruise and walk around Nassau port before or after your cruise (outside of the cruise bubble) and then travel back to US on an airline and not quarantine. But if you were able to cruise from Miami to Nassau and return you could NOT walk around the port without being on a cruise only excursion.
Exactly
I was very curious about how the CDC had “authority” to say what happens in foreign ports and international waters. The big “guidance that threw me” was saying “only one ship in port for private islands.” Well those private islands are mainly in the Bahamas and my thought was the CDC can’t tell the Bahamas how to deal with port decisions (1 ship or multiple).
Side note I did actually know about the International Flag Code. Been studying it just for a fun “good to know”
Thank you again Tony!! You are doing a fantastic job at explaining the intricate details. You Rock!
Oh wow!!! I never thought of that!!! That’s what they should have done! That would have been great to know! Where else would you get that type of real wood testing? You so smart! ☺️
Hey! Hey! Hey! Way to go Tony , ILIKE YOUR THINKING!!!!
I always enjoy your videos, Tony but this is one of your best. The explanation about why the CDC would have control over operations outside of US waters was so helpful and I completely agree with your points about where the CDC really missed the opportunity.
I was just telling my husband pretty much the same thing . So I agree a 100% with you
TYVM! For policy/political reasons I do not think the CDC is going to require vaccines. I strongly agree that they should strongly incentivize good policy; have long and arduous test sailing procedures for unvaccinated cruises and much simpler for the desired vaccinated cruises. In fact, there is a simple and face-saving fix. A couple of paragraphs saying that cruises with literal 100% (not just adults who can & will) vaccinated and that rapid test on embark/debark can have maskless cruises and do not need a test sailing.
Tony I appreciate your intelligence and commitment to dig into all of these issues.
If a cruise ship never enters US waters then CDC has NO say over what the cruise lines do. Between FL and the CDC, ships have no reason to dock here.
I think part of the problem is that none of the major ships operating out of Florida, Texas, New York, and other ports in the continental U.S. are U.S. flagged. So, none of them have many American employees.
If a U.S. cruise line had a fleet of U.S.-flagged ships, with American crews with union representation, things might be different. Apparently, several unions representing school teachers got the CDC to backtrack on protocols for schools.
The problem is too that the governor of Florida won’t let the cruise lines ask if you are vaccinated so how are they to know if you are fully vaccinated or not?
Thanks so much for the explanation regarding CDC R&Rs applying to non-US ports. I definitely had some questions about that. At this point, I am waiting for your cruise out of The Bahamas. I want to hear all about the experience. I am booked for 2/2022 (out of Miami) and hoping things will be somewhat sorted by then. I am not a person who is so enamored of spending time at sea that I don't care if we can't get off and roam around on our own...even with a mask, when required. I like to think of cruising as a vacation on my way to vacation.
What annoys me (and many others) is the conflicting messages from the CDC. If I'm vaccinated, why do I have to live with all these restrictions? Because I may still carry it to non-vaccinated people? But that begs the question of when do we simply allow those who refuse to vaccinate to live with an increased chance they will contract COVID? I don't think keeping the world at a stand still until everyone is vaccinated is realistic. I have been trying to figure out their end game for awhile now.
Thanks for the video 👍
I agree with you Tony they did lose a huge opportunity.
What I'm guessing will happen is if you don't book an Excursion you can't leave the ship. Do you think this is assumption is correct? Sometimes I just like to go to the port area, wander around a little bit, maybe buy a souvenir or two then go back to the ship. It doesn't sound like I would be allowed to do that. Our cruise in September is to three islands I've never been to before we haven't made a decision on what we want to do.
It ain’t power if you can’t abuse it. 💯
Totally agree they missed the boat
At about 16:30 an American Cruises tour bus passed me in Boise. It looked like they were heading West for somewhere along the Columbia River. That might be a good sign for the river boats.
Yes, I agree that if they have vaccine only cruises, we will see some more cruises with less restrictions.
The Gov't has other departments that can do pop up visits. Think Food and Health inspections. Now I would love to volunteer to go on NCL for 100% vaccinated but normal style cruise and will sign a waiver to go.
If Royal cruise is successful in may, I think a lot of cruise lines are going to go outside US.
Thanks for your explanation of why you can't do what you want in international waters . It would be great if they were to allow NCL do what you suggested. They just need to let the Cruise lines start back up again somehow someway just let them get back, too many people are struggling with not being able to sail.
While it would be interesting to see NCL experiment with 100% vaccinated passenger and staff cruises, statistically we would expect 10% of those people to have covid ( none of the vaccines are 100% effective). So at the end of that cruise, a ship with a total occupancy of 2000, would have an expectation of 200 infected. There would be no opportunity to claim success.
I’m so glad, Bermuda in 48 days, because my August on Symphony of the Seas is not looking good.
Tony, I think your comments are right on the money. The CDC should set guidelines for test Cruises and non-vaccinated Cruises. Totally vaccinated Cruises should have much less restriction.
Personally, I think the CDC realized that the biggest stumbling block to restarting cruises from the US was the test cruises. And they realized that the protocols & processes that would be demonstrated during the test cruises were not relevant to a fully vaccinated ship. So, they made two branches in the “return to sailing” process.
Then, I think, they brought those two branches back together for actual cruises when the two branches should have stayed as two branches with different requirements for actual sailings.
This doesn't really apply to our cruise, next month though, right, Tony? Coming out and back to Nassau, Royal is basically practicing their healthy protocols, but some are different like no masks in open-air (aka the Lido) since we are all vaccinated.
Thanks so much for the explanation. 👍🏼