Dr Tour, anybody with a basic training in organic synthesis understands you perfectly. I’ve been a grad student in synthesis for years now, and I know how professors address idiots. If your claims or arguments were incorrect, they would have dragged you all over the planet, your research funding would have been cut off, Rice university would have fired and disgraced you. That’s why they resort to ad hominem attacks. 2 months ago, I forced a website to change the title of a publication because it was claimed that a cell was synthesized by scientists. After reading the article, the scientific paper clearly said that the cells were “genomically minimized”. A lay person will read it and arrive at a wrong conclusion. After talking with the editor over a couple of emails, he was forced to change the title of the article to match the data presented in the scientific paper.
@consueloyoung6689 You don't seem to understand how apologists utilize freedom of speech and religion to their advantage. Because of them, they're allowed to say utter nonsense without fear of consequences.... meaning, they can (and do) make utterly absurd statements, make demonstrably false claims, use fallacious arguments, and babble pseudoscientific nonsense in opposition of scientific theory, history and reason. You can't simply fire someone for believing nonsense. Same as you can't fire someone for saying nonsense. So long as it doesn't break a law or violate an institutional regulation. Unfortunately, in many cases, people are protected in this way. For example, Michael Behe and his ID buddies didn't lose their jobs because they lost the kitzmiller trial (even though it was an embarrassingly thorough loss for ID). No, they just keep on talking out of their butts. But they sure do have a disclaimer on their website stating Behe doesn't represent the college and that ID isn't science. "The department faculty, then, are unequivocal in their support of evolutionary theory, which has its roots in the seminal work of Charles Darwin and has been supported by findings accumulated over 140 years. The sole dissenter from this position, Prof. Michael Behe, is a well-known proponent of "intelligent design." While we respect Prof. Behe's right to express his views, they are his alone and are in no way endorsed by the department. It is our collective position that intelligent design has no basis in science, has not been tested experimentally, and should not be regarded as scientific." www.lehigh. edu/~inbios/News/evolution.html Tour enjoys the same benefits of freedom of speech. He has the same rights to utter nonsense as Ken Ham, Ray Comfort, and Kent Hovind. Unfortunately, these clowns are allowed to spew dribble and nonsense under those freedoms. It's really no different than how the news gets away with lying, all religions can babble their own special versions of what they call "truth", and how even Flat earthers are allowed to make their arguments publicly without fear of consequence. Additionally, the scientific and academic community don't waste their time debunking those nonsensical claims when they're made by people that aren't representing the institution at the time.... However, these "scientific" claims could be disproven IF they were presented for peer review. But apologists don't present their arguments and their claimed "evidence" for peer review, do they? No. They just babble on and on about how science is wrong when it doesn't support the Bible and do things like post their claims in youtube videos for the uneducated masses in echo chambers. So your argument is moot. I won't be responding to any reply you might make, so feel free to have the last word. It doesn't matter to me whether you acknowledge the accuracy of what I said or gainsay everything with your favorite "Nuh-uh" retorts or ad hominems. Have a nice evening.
@@manamanathegreat too bad you won’t be replying to my response. You have a point, religious apologists can sometimes misinterpret scientific data, the same goes for main stream media and scientists generally. But if you’re a honest and rational person, you’ll admit that Dr Tour’s arguments and challenge on the origin of life research community is a valid one, especially if you have any organic synthesis training. I love science, and I’m pretty good at doing research in chemistry. But I have my own world view and spiritual beliefs, and they don’t conflict with my scientific discipline. Same goes for a lot of scientists in the past, present and will apply to future. I believe in evolution (although it has its own drawbacks), old earth and whole lot of things that we’ve been able to describe with the amount of science we currently know as a species. That being said, it’s very important to accurately represent what the science says and be honest about it. Dr Tour is a professional chemist and I admire him a lot because he has never invoked “God of the Gaps” arguments that a lot of pseudoscientists and religious apologists use. Also the current models and theories for the origin of life are nothing short of science fiction (esp the primordial soup model), the chemistry doesn’t work, and the researcher always buy fresh compounds obtained from biological sources to relay their synthesis. We’ll definitely discover how life came about from non-life; but right now we don’t know and that should be what’s reported. No unnecessary hype or misrepresentation of facts is needed in the media. Rather, more scientists should work together to develop a sensible model. The average person (layperson) or even non scientist might not be able to follow some scientific arguments, especially when their titles and other stuffs are misleading. That’s doesn’t do anybody good; atheists or theists or agnostic or whatever your belief system is. P.S. English is not my native language so pardon some of my spelling or punctuation errors.
@@consueloyoung6689 I don't understand how life could have arisen from non-life. That is a contradiction in my eyes. But let's assume that something like this were to come into the world as a correctly accepted explanation. What would you gain from it? Why do you need a model? What would such a model be good for? What would you personally want to achieve with it? If the explanation were beyond doubt, it wouldn't just offer a model, would it? It would be more like putting this knowledge into action? What would the action be? Prolongation of life? Immortality? Creation of living beings (humans) as opposed to sexual reproduction? Do you have an answer to this?
@@ERH-ph5gb I believe the only way life could have arisen from non-life is from extremely intelligent chemistry under impeccable reaction conditions. Chemicals are difficult to work with and if you’re lucky to get what you need, you have to separate it at the right “time”, go through extremely rigorous purification processes before you can use it for anything meaningful. Otherwise, the same conditions formed what you need will destroy it if you don’t interfere. So “time or billions of years” works against you. I’m saying all these based on the amount of knowledge (chemistry and biology) we have now; but I believe with time as knowledge increases we will begin to unravel some mysteries. Why? I’m a Christian and I believe God created us to be this way; intelligent and curious. Also with a burning desire to find the Truth. The more we discover the more I marvel at God’s works in nature. So I believe scientific pursuit is a form of worship to God. We humans are very diverse, and God knows how to talk to everyone. There’re a lot of people that have been called to God through science, some through morality, some through miracles, etc. We must continue to explore and find truth. The scriptures say “I’m the way, the truth and the life”….
I considered myself a Jew throughout my life who didn’t know much about Christianity or Jesus, (or Jewish religion/anything of that). In my sophomore year of high school, my friend Eli opened the opportunity to read the Bible, since I wanted to know more about religions. I was 15, and I started reading from genesis to Malachi about up till summer. It was only till a month in this summer when I truly started getting dedicated and reading the gospel. However, I still struggled with pornography addictions and didn’t understand why, feeling bad. In this past week, I finally understand what keeps me from sinning, reading the Bible daily. His testimony seemed super similar to mine of his journey, thought it was cool so that’s why I posted mine. (I’m now 16 btw) Gonna keep reading to keep strong. Love the video ❤ amen in Jesus Christ’s name
Always read your Bible, but the key is the Hole Spirit indwelling you. Only when you get saved and the Spirit actually indwells you will the Bible truly come alive. Read John chapter 3 and see what Jesus tells Nicodemus about being born again. He compares himself to the serpent Moses lifted up. All you need to do is turn and look to Jesus in faith.
@@tiffanymagee2700 " Jesus is real and He loves you!!" LMAO Why did your god commit many genocides? Why did your god command Moses and David to commit genocides? Will you kill your own child when your god asks? Why do you worship this moral monster?
They can’t man up and answer the questions or admit they can’t so they try to attack his character as a diversion but when they do that they end up exposing their own bad character.
Exactly, they’ve done such a good job making it seem like you’re a child for believing in “sky daddy” but they are just afraid to be wrong because of the implications. So insecure they won’t even say the word “God” in some of these academic circles. Science now has become a propaganda campaign to explain away God.
"As a gentile, you pray that you would love God so much, that your love would make Jews jealous for the Lord." Wow, this statement blew me away. I don't know if it's my calling to evangelize Jews, but I definitely want to love God so much it would make them jealous for the Lord.
Me too. When he said that Jews would only be open to talking about Jesus with a Gentile, that brought to mind the Apostle Paul. Paul was sent to preach to the Gentiles and he was a devout Jew. Dr Tour said that when Jews come to Christ through a Gentile, they preach to more Gentiles. Funny how that bears out with the book of Acts and the books that follow.
@@Pack.Leader Wrong, Paul (or Saul) was not an apostle, nor a damn Jew. He was a Roman soldier sent out to bring the early Christians back and feed them to the hungry lions. He never even met, or knew Jesus while Jesus was still alive. He just had one hell of a wild imagination and had a daydream about meeting Jesus on the road to Damaskas. That's why he changed his name to Paul in the first place. There were only 12 original apostles, and Saul was not one of them. And James Tour is a big lying sack of s**t who makes a living online lying for Jebus, so I don't believe a word that comes out of that religious nut job. The Buybull is just a fairytale book that was created by a bunch of ancient goat herders that believed the sun hid behind the trees at night on a flat stationary Earth, so nobody should believe a word of it.
Christians don’t believe in a God of the gaps, atheists believe in “time of the gaps”. They believe if you throw enough time at a problem, the problem magically disappears.
@@DM-dk7js As demonstrated in this example he does. Filling in a "X did it" where X is an untestable entity. You can't test 1Billion years since you don't live that long.
The problem is that if you throw more time, you'll have more degradation, more erosion, more half-life, more rottenness, etc., etc. We know what happens when a fish falls to the bottom of a lake, it's eaten by bacteria. The same is true with nearly all the organic matter, it degrades until it is broken apart in non-alive matter, basically dust. And we're not even talking about entropy. I know that the right word is not evolution, because if something has the ability to change over the time (relatively short time) it is because it's inherently programmed in its nature, so the right word would be "variability" or "adaptability" but not evolution, because according to the atheist guys, evolution is a process that happens by pure chance and programmed behavior is not chance, is planned behavior. That's the problem of believing in an inside-the-creation god (a god that religions other than Christianity have), but our God, the God of Israel, is outside the creation, and time, he is not caged in the box created by himself, not tied by physical laws. He is almighty and worthy to be trusted, so I prefer instead of trying to match my beliefs with the mainstream science (that is very low-low advance compared with the infinite wisdom that all the living things created by God show), attach my beliefs to the scriptures, I don't have to apologize to others for their blindness, totally the opposite, I should call them to open their eyes and see the evident." "The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, And night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, Where their voice is not heard." Psalms 19:1-3.
Definition of faith "strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof." “Where there is evidence , no one speaks of " faith " . We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round . We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence .” ― Bertrand Russell
@@Romero610 It is sad that people in 21st century are relying on goat herders' understanding of the world from 2000-6000 years ago. To me it is insane.
@Mr.PrayingMantis he came down and pronounced he is God and died on a cross, there is historical evidence Jesus existed so more evidence of God than scientists have of the beginning of life
@@Mr.PrayingMantis dismissing intelligent design in favor of circumstance is the equivalent of not "believing" in the number zero. Says a lot about your motivations.
I am stunned that people could possibly think scientist had made life in a lab. Who are these people? I was educated in the 60's and never heard that beginning of life was understood. Never.
They're actually everywhere, believe it or not. They think scientists know how life came about by naturalistic processes, and that creating amino acids in a lab (an extraordinarily simple process) is evidence of this. I've talked to them.
Well this is the heart of the issue - each generation is born without knowledge; they know only what we teach them. If we teach them things like abiogenesis from the primordial soup and darwinism/evolution, as I was taught, then they will believe those things :(
I really appreciate Tour’s work and honesty. He exposed and handled that Professor Dave guy really well. It was awesome and it strengthened my faith in God.
When I look at the milky way in the night sky, I don't wonder at the origin of the universe, I think of the multitudes of angels surrounding the Throne of Grace. I love the mystery if only to make me humble. By the way beautiful testimony from the Proffessor. Thank you.
@@Greenie-43x then you are apparently watching some other debate. At the end of it when Tour was ranting and screaming like a lunatic, Dave calmly said, " you were watching The unraveling of a lunatic...". Dave proved on every one of Tour's challenges that we do have a clue. I guess you missed that part.
This guy is the perfect combination of Christian and scientist. Knowing what he knows, and stating clearly what he doesn’t know, and not making outrageous claims based on faith 👍✌️🇺🇸
@Robert-ct6bc you're conflating two different things. Tour is talking about science and abiogenesis. You should actually listen to him when he talks about the science, unless your mind is so blinded you can't see
I listened well, and I never heard him say that he knows who God is, much less where it all started. But his knowledge of science was extraordinary. There has to some sort of evolution over millions of years, not from a pond, and certainly not from “The Garden of Eden” I went to 16 years of Christian schools, I’m not hating on anyone’s beliefs. So peace to you my friend. 😘
“Is it you have trouble with”, this is how you make a sentence? I’m not talking about the host, I know how he feels about the Bible, I’m talking about the level headed scientist, who’s honest enough to say there’s a lot we don’t know, I doubt he thinks the earth is only six thousand years old, just because some lunatics believe every word and date in the bible. You know, the people that lived 300/900 years old and include dinosaurs on the ark, and kangaroos, who only live in Australia. Not to mention how the hell did Noah catch all those birds. Did he have penguins too. I was trying to be nice, but nobody even knows who wrote the Old Testament, it’s like our liberal media, you can’t believe anything they say, just cause they’re on TV.
Evolution is the "science of the gaps" where people just fill in gaps with the Underpants Gnome Part B "something happens in between here." It doesn't follow that A leads to B leads to C in the sequence from primordial soup, its just a neat model that allows people to try to replace a creator. If examined closely, evolutionism is unfalsifiable. Every time something comes along that blows a hole through the theory, they work hard until they come up with some way it still fits, no matter how contradictory, byzantine, or absurd it has to be.
_"Evolution is the "science of the gaps" where people just fill in gaps"_ Nope. Evolution is based on evidence. There is no such thing as science of the gaps. You just don't understand what you're talking about.
_" It doesn't follow that A leads to B leads to C in the sequence from primordial soup, its just a neat model that allows people to try to replace a creator."_ Sooooo you're talking about abiogenesis ...not evolution. Proving my point. You have no idea.
@@johnmacrae2006 Your response shows how confused you are. You started talking about evolution and went onto talk about something that isnt evolution. Whether it's a prerequisite doesn't matter. *You don't know the difference between the 2 topics* That's like trying to refute medicine by talking about the big bang.... 🤦♂🤦♂
@@DM-dk7js my statement is saying that at some point the chemistry world will have to admit that intelligent input is required. Even if they successfully create it in the lab, it is still intelligently designed.
@@DM-dk7jsBrother why spend your time creating strawman on UA-cam? Even if you don’t believe in God you owe it to yourself to find a greater purpose Love you brother. Hope you find peace and contentment
@@Absinthe1923….it wasn’t a strawman. I correctly believed that they were talking about a colleague of Tour’s who was taken advantage of by Tour in death. Sorry?
If anyone reading this studied organic chenistry knows that it is way above rocket science--it's as complex as complex can get. People who excel in this field are the smartest of the smart and this applies to Dr. Tour. His critiques of evolution are the best argued and devastating to the accepted pseudo-science dogma behind evolution and Darwinism.
@@itsamystery5279 To my knowledge Dr Tour has never touted YEC, Young Earth Creationism...actually the contrary...so it is you who is the liar. I am saying this as a YEC.
@@alantasman8273 This is from Tour's website: "Based upon my faith in the biblical text, I do believe (yes, faith and belief go beyond scientific evidence for this scientist) that God created the heavens and the earth and all that dwell therein, including a man named Adam and a woman named Eve." You're both a liar and an idiot.
I love this man, God bless you and your wonderful words my brother. Love the channel also brother much love to you also. Actually, mercy peace and love to all those in Christ Jesus, Yeshua HaMashiach.
I remember when chemistry student asked Tour a question at his lecture and Tour's response was. You must have to believe in jesus. This is what presups at DI look like. LMAO
If I'm understanding correctly, the main take away is this : -No known force in the universe, apart from intelligence, can be credited for the formation of protein let alone life itself. Therefore, abiogenesis still argue from pure faith. The main problem with atheism's "God of the gap argument" is that they arbitrarly dismiss intelligence as a unique force in the universe. If any human, ever, landed on an unknown planet and saw a face sculpture carved in the rock, the primary assumption would never be : "water and wind made this" but instead "there is intelligent life on this planet" and that would be the most logical assumption, that is not a "human of the gap" argument. So why is it suddenly "God of gap" when christian says only an intelligent being akin to God can make a complex structure like a human ?
You aren't understanding correctly. The argument Tour makes is "we don't know all the details of how life happened naturally so it must be impossible unless my Christian God did it"
@itsamystery5279 your inclusion of quotes of something he did not say just renders your argument into a strawman. His argument has always been the science doesnt make sense and inteligent design fits the evidence more completely then the athiest argument.
@@itsamystery5279 It's incredible the uncharitable view and lies that so many commenters post. If you took the time to listen maybe you'd be able to steelman Tour better. Tour makes no predictions about how abiogenesis will eventually be discovered to have happened. (your "unless my Christian God did it" lie)
@@Bradawick "inteligent design fits the evidence more completely then the athiest argument" I know Stephen Meyer says this, but I don't even think Tour said that.
Ironically, I heard somewhere that Charles Darwin actually believed in God. If that's true, that would mean a lot of scientists are using his theory as a weapon to push an agenda against Christianity in a very unscientific manner. Talk about losers.
What evidence do you have that abiogenesis is not a fact? And, evolution is an observed fact, period. Not only do we observe it in living things, we have BOTH the fossil record and DNA genealogical history and traceability. Why do people like you blurt out these ignorant 'matter of fact' statements without a clue as to what you are saying?
@@nudshThe evidence that abiogenesis is *not* a fact, in any verified way, is that it has never been demonstrated. That’s pretty simple. Even if it were to be true, which seems to be unlikely, you can’t really call something a fact if it hasn’t been proven, can you? When it comes to evolution, it is not observed in living things. We observe adaptation and speciation, but that’s not the same thing as evolution (which is the _story_ that pond scum gained more and more genetic information over time until eventually becoming people). If we regularly observed the addition of new genetic information being gained in living creatures, then you could at least make a decent case for evolution, even still being unable to prove it definitively. But we don’t even observe that. Neither are the fossil record or DNA concrete evidences for evolution. Both domains of knowledge are highly subject to interpretation. On top of the evidences evolutionists do point to being inconclusive (as they can reasonably be interpreted differently and are lacking even if you interpret them their way), there exist powerful counter evidences that they ignore almost completely.
@nudsh Micro evolution is a fact. Macro is a fairy tale based on wild speculations. There is no mechanism for specified information to be gained. The fossil record has massive holes and issues such as the cambrian explosion, plants coming after animals, the living fossil fish, circular dating practices, and impossible scenarios such as jellyfish being fossilized. Genetic history could point to a common source from either a hereditary way or from a creator. It could be evidence for intelligent design just as easily. I would encourage you to look into the extreme difficulties of macro evolution and how the theory is currently in shambles with several prominent evolutionary biologists saying we need to go back to the drawing board because neo-darwinism appears to be false
This was so amazing. The last 16 minutes was so good that I screen-shot it for later. I hope you won't mind that I share it. I will give a link to the full video when I do. His love of Christ is enough to make me want to cry. It's genuine and visceral. And it's something we can all experience ourselves. Jesus is no respecter of persons.
Dr Tour, thank you so much for explaining to us NOT chemists! You explain the complexity in a way I can understand and you're very careful to show how far it goes without making "god of the gaps" assumptions! Thank you!
There's no room for bias in science. What you believe at home should stay at home. We should also look at the Grant and endowments that fund it. Billionaires only invest in things that accumulate some kind of dividend. This is why treatments make more money than cures.
@@dreadassembly4087 _That can only be determined by his peers scrutinizing his work_ Which is why it's very telling Tour has never submitted any of his OOL criticisms for peer review and professional science publication. All he does is give talks in church basements and make creationist propaganda YT videos.
Sad that UA-cam decided to erase my comment. The most amazing discovery has taken place regarding bacterial motion. Proteins, millions of them, combine to form an extraordinarily complex axial "motor" with pinions and reversing ring gears made of other proteins. The flagellum is attached to this amazing drive motor making it turn like a long screw resulting in propulsion. This should put to bed any and all disagreements regarding the origin of life. A UA-cam search should yield results ..
@@Deploracle those motor proteins are incredible. I'm a Navy trained nuclear electricians mate, I have a decent grasp of motors and generators, and what's going on there is sheer beauty, man. That makes our most precision motor systems look primitive, and it's been here for however many thousands of years it's been. I know they've been here for sure for about 46 years.
Rotates at 100,000 rpm, reverse coarse on a quarter turn, travels 20 of it's own length per second while sensing where to go with a built in signal transduction circuit. Pretty cool 😎 👍
43:53 When my mother started a cultural after school thing (sports, playing instruments, singing etc.) in our small town, she had colleagues turn on her, despite their 20+ years of professional and real friendship, heck some of them even babysat me. It was vicious, but all of it was ad hominem attacks. The cultural thing was fine and beyond approach.
it works as long as they keep saying it. thats how its worked for this long. they dont have to experiment or prove it. just say it does. thats how evolution passed as well
@Robert-ct6bc it's not better because it's anti-science! When science proven facts and experiments says something is impossible, abiogenesis, it's only your religion of macroevolution that makes you believe it.
I personally think this is the single greatest apologetic argument. When you get someone alone and confront them with the idea of a single cell either popping into existence or animating on its own, most people realize they’ve never even thought about it before. Animals becoming other animals just makes sense to them, but the actual origin of life is such a complex mystery it can create a domino effect on its own. Leads them to see that life was obviously created.
Even the guy you just watched, hints that’s not a wise or logical position to take, he argued against the god of the gaps. I know the UA-camr probably doesn’t but the scientist certainly. So there’s nothing obvious about us being created; thinking that there is is at best, premature.
_"I personally think this is the single greatest apologetic argument. "_ If this is the best you've got then oh boy you don't have anything. We don't know how life started. There are things we don't know. Every time we don't know something should we assume a god is the answer? That's what has happened in the past and that's not a logical argument.
@@markh1011 And “science” aka, the scientific method is powerless to observe the events of the past several billion (🙄) years. It appears we are at an impasse.
The origin of life is a mystery! Trying to argue the origin is an endless, exhausting conquest, to the point of making one's head explode! We are told to live by faith, being the key for peace, so, rather than fry my brain trying to understand the molecular persuasion of life, I'm going instead to work on my golf game!
Yes, Science can be great sometimes, but at times it seems so cold and unfeeling. instead of just seeing the beauty this world has to offer we have to tear it apart and try to figure it all out. And I love Golf+ on Quest 3 lol TC.
@@muppetonmeds What's wrong with being curious and wanting to investigate and understand the natural world? We've made some very beneficial discoveries like cures for some diseases that way.
@@itsamystery5279 You might be reading too much into my comment. I am just saying sometimes it's just nice to smell a rose rather than tear it apart and figure out why it smells. I'm just talking metaphorically not literally. TC
A plausible theory for the origin of life is that it began through a series of chemical reactions that transformed inorganic material into organic material, then into early cells. These reactions may have been likely or may have required one or more highly improbable chemical events. In other words, we don't have a clue. Got it?
@@itsamystery5279 Dr. Jennifer A. Doudna PhD Nobel Laureate Chemistry (CRISPR/Cas9 genetic scissors ‐ 2020) Professor of Biochemistry, Biophysics and Structural Biology at UC Berkeley stated as to the discovery of the ever increasing levels of complexity in the cell, “it seems like we are climbing a mountain that keeps getting higher and higher. The more we know, the more we realize there is to know.” Dr. Donna Blackmond PhD stated that we have made no progress in the last 70+ years in discovering the origin of life. In fact, we are farther away! Dr. Stuart Kauffman PhD stated that we need a new physics to discover the Origins of Life. Dr. Leslie Orgel PhD stated, "it would be a miracle if a strand of RNA ever appeared on the early Earth." Quote from you, "Except we've identified a number of steps in the process and shown how they are plausible." These Origin of life experts do not agree with you. Exactly who is this "we" you are talking about?
@@MutsPub Moor on….life requires proteins and it’s a fact that proteins cannot be created outside a living cell so it’s impossible for life to begin on its own since hundreds of proteins must first be created to begin life. Not educated R U?
I think the main problem with the God of the gaps argument is that it presupposes that something can be explained without God, but that is false. Nothing could be explained apart from God since everything happens because of God.
@@nitsujism Exodus 4:11 ESV [11] Then the Lord said to him, “Who has made man’s mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?
@@HS-zk5nn You cannot prove anything in reality. You can only falsify something. IE if I see that all swans are white I can say that swans are whiet but in reality there are black swans so the statement fallls outside of logical proofs. Proof belongs to mathematics which uses a game of logic.
So they claim that random forces made a living cell in some outdoor 'soup', coincidentally. While they cannot under strict controlled attempts, inside their state of the art labs recreate this event. At what point will the atheist realize he's wrong?
@@LGpi314 I think I made it very clear for you, that the people who believe in the magical soup was wrong. Judging from your comment you seem be part of this demographic.
You're a blind, gullable and naieve member of the scientism cult. Darwinism/evolutionary theory isn't real science. It isn't reproducible, it cannot make falsifiable claims (isn't testable), it is just historical storytelling and even the fossil record disproves many of its little fairytales. Darwinism is a pacifier for adults, that temporarily calms their conscience.
Dr. Tour, I can't thank you enough for taking a stand not only for truth in biology but for your deep love for Christ, the gospel, and the unsaved. Bless your heart sir and please continue to fight the good fight!!
Incredible that Tour can cunt on his audience to the point that his talking points have al been exposed as fraudolence, yet he is still telling the same lies without any resistence on noumerous christian YT channels
I also a member of my church that had his PHD in BioChemistry, he gave a science and the Bible class once. One thing I took away is left and right handed organic molicules and how left ones destructive to life and the right versions are what are needed for life, so how did only right handed ones bump into each other in the soup and why did lightning only hit the right handed ones.
Jesus Christ saves from hell. Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day (1st Corinthians 15:1-4 KJB). Water baptism DOESN'T save us (1st Corinthians 1:17 KJB). Jesus shed His blood for our sins (Ephesians 1:7 KJB). We are saved by grace through faith, not our own works (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJB).
Jesus Christ is the REASON that this “hell” concept even exists... In Judaism the concept of the the afterlife was call Sheol and was NOT considered a eternal torture pit... Don’t you Christians find it strange how the Old Testament doesn’t EVER mention this “hell” place in any of the writings? That because it didn’t exist in the Old Testament... it’s ONLY in Christianity’s New Testament and therefore Christ is the reason for why this “hell” place even exists... Without Jesus and the New Testament we wouldn’t need to be “saved” from a place that didn’t exist... Ironically it’s its only because of the writings of the New Testament that we supposedly “need” this so called “saver” figure... Without THAT there no reason to believe in the gospel and it’s nonsense idea of “salvation” and other of its ridiculous claims. 😒
@@rip.van.winkle_ why don’t YOU just admit that your so called “saver” is the ONLY reason why you’re so afraid of ending up this “hell” dimension in the first place… without your precious Jesus you Christian’s wouldn’t have to worry all the time about being thrown into a eternal torture pit with fire and brimstone… it’s Christianity that’s the REASON why you’re so afraid of “hell” being real… without Christianity you wouldn’t EVER be afraid of something that clearly doesn’t exist. 🙄
@@therick363 Dawkins has said that although macro evolution has never been observed in nature...the fact that we are here means it happened. If that this not an example of pseudo science of the gaps...I don't what is.
Yeshua was a myth. Christianity is fake. It stole pretty much everything from other earlier religions and the same way Islam did with small modifications. The is no evidence of a global flood, there is no evidence that jesus as the son of god or Moses ever existed, and the resurrection was stolen from Julius Caesar's resurrection. No resurrection. Snakes and donkeys do not talk. Genesis is full of contradictions. Earth is not 6000 years old. ALL THOSE ARE LIES. People now know and leaving the religion for what it is CULT.
@@SciD1 Who the hell said I built any cell, because it sure wasn't me. But scientists have created some of the building blocks for life, and even found some of them on meteorites from Outerspace that self-created somehow. So, I'm sure it's just a matter of time before we will figure out how to create life in a lab setting, which will mean your god is as useless as a screen door on a submarine. Your god will be put right out of business, right?
@@jerrylong6238 Building blocks of life are astronomical steps away from creating life. The problem isn't how to create life in a lab. Cells exist so there is a way to make them exist. The problem is creating them in a pre-biotic random environment. For instance, there are chemical reactions that once started continue to react through different stages. For life to exist, the reactions have to be stopped at a point that won't happen naturally, and we are talking about the basics of life, so before there is a system in place to halt the reaction as a given place. For instance, these building blocks found on meteorites are amino acids which are used to build protein chains. These chains require a high level of accuracy because the qualities of each amino acid causes folding which creates a shape that can do work in the cell. In the cell there is a molecule called a folderon. It is used to fold these protein chains in the right order. Without it the chains will fold in all kinds of wrong ways. Where are the folderons at this stage of creation? Now proteins are made up of anywhere from 150 to 1000 amino acids that have to be in a right order. There are 20 different amino acids that are used for life, though there are a few more in nature, I believe. So each segment of the 150 Amino acid chain has to be randomly selected from 20 options. This alone makes 4 billion years a blink of an eye compared with the time needed for this to happen randomly. Not only that but AA chains form side chains as well but life's proteins use very few side chains. So this random environment would not only have to order 20 different kinds of AAs in a 150ish long chain accurately, it would have to do it without creating any side chains or when it did, it would have to do so on the proper link of 150 Amino Acids. It gets worse though. There are left and right handed Amino Acids(mirror images of each other). Life, for some reason only uses left handed amino acids. Now these L and R handed varieties appear equally in nature so in any primordial soup, you would expect to find as many left handed as right handed varieties. Thes L and R handed AAs can also form chains together equally. Now according to our current science, the simplest cell requires a minimum of about 250 proteins. So this is what we have. In a single location there must have been all 20 kinds of Amino Acids, in enough quantities to form 250 proteins, and by random forces and without the aid of any biological evolution, as there is no replication, Amino acid chains to create 250 different proteins had to be selected from a pool of both left and right handed amino acids without creating side chains, and survive, come together in order to participate for the first cell. Do you understand why God isn't anywhere close to being out of business?
@@blusheep2 _"Do you understand why God isn't anywhere close to being out of business?"_ Obviously there are things we don't know. That's where the god of the gaps comes in. Every century these gods are the answer for less and less unknown questions.
@@markh1011 That is a nice quip but that hasn't been the case in the recent century. Over the past 50 years, at least, science has done more for the belief in God then any science has done prior. If we continue to discuss this, you will find that I will never assume a god of the gaps.
This is 100% a god of the gaps argument. Tour says he would never say, "I don't know therefore God", and he doesn't so in his mind he's technically not lying I guess. Instead he says, "Nobody knows, therefore God", which is a slightly different way to commit the same fallacy. I'm not sure how many lines of research into abiogenesis are currently in progress, but I can tell you water, which appears to be essential to life, is everywhere in the universe. Mars has liquid water. There are huge chunks of frozen water in the asteroid belt. Jupiter's moon Europa seem to have a frozen crust but plenty of liquid water underneath. The energy to keep the water liquid is provided by the gravity from Jupiter pumping energy into Europa. I can also tell you that enough progress has been made for scientists to understand that proteins and amino acids seem to be the chemical precursors that need to be present to form life, because they are present in some percentage in all living cells. Of course other chemical or physical structures are needed, but proteins and amino acids are ubiquitous. I can also tell you that they have been found in plenty in deep space. Which brings me to my last point. Natural or supernatural are not the only two options. Panspermia suggests life may have started elsewhere and spread or been spread to Earth. This probably sounds crazy but the necessary elements are everywhere in space. NASA folks have found Earth fungus growing on the outside of the ISS. And Tardigrades, or water bears are very tough little animals that can survive direct exposure to space for three days. There's generally no reason they should be able to survive space as they live in temperate aquatic environments here on Earth. It may be this trait is superfluous now but was useful to them in the past. We also know that Mars has been struck by asteroids hard enough for pieces of its crust to end up on Earth.
Clueless. In order for life to exist there must be an atmosphere and protection from radiation. Earth has 300-600 times the concentration of minerals that are required for creating a hot core which creates a magnetic field that both holds an atmosphere and protects from radiation. No other rocky surface in the universe contains this concentration. Also, earth has 30 times less concentration of sulfur than the rest of rocky surfaces which allows life. Water is not life giving on its own, especially frozen. Just stop.
How can there be lies about the origin of life that has not been proven yet or known how it happened? Seems like at most you can is argue against theories...
@@Bro_Mike_Phil117 you know exactly what I mean. You have been tossing insults on thread after thread. Your comment above shows disrespect. Just accept that you aren’t able to make comments without one or the other. Atheists don’t have time of the gaps. We admit we don’t have all the answers-and then we go investigate. Unlike theists who claim to have all the answers but don’t back them up. We get you don’t like the god of the gaps you do pull, so you have to try to flip it but it doesn’t work and you can’t handle that
If you really want to make a false authority claim then: What credentials do you actually have? Dr. Tour at least has a PhD and more startups done and more patents to his name than you have in diplomas including your swimming certificate.
@mk71b Does a person need to have equivalent or better qualifications or knowledge in order to question another person's standing as a renowned expert?
@daMillenialTrucker Clearly, I can't refute his claims. I can only trust the opinions of his peers. They take a dim view of his supernaturally biased scientific opinions. For likes of Mr Tour, science is fine just as long as it doesn't step on God's toes. If it does, then it needs to be refuted. You see this pattern of behaviour with most of his contemporaries. If you don't mind me asking, are you a Christian?
@VFA666he never once said anything even remotely similar to a claim that it must have been God. He didn't attempt to fill the gap with God, he just pointed out that there *is* a gap.
Tour says at 30:10 "it can't come from random assembly". Am I getting the point here that he does *not* claim that these things can only assemble via intelligence. But he *does* indeed rule out randomness definitively?
@VFA666Hey, I'm just trying to better understand the atheistic worldview and what views people are carrying these days. I'm just trying to find out what is being taught these days and what the general consensus is around certain topics. I'm just wondering if you could explain what you mean by "Evolution doesn't happen by things randomly falling together"? If that's not what scientists are claiming, I'm just wondering what is making things "fall together" and stay together? What makes my cells form, me and continue forming "me" for the rest of my life? How did DNA evolve?
@@lozferris1719 Evolution is a long term process which produces complex results by small gradual additions to already existing functions. That goes back to the very beginning, the very first imperfectly self-replicating prebiotic molecules. The creationist claim complex structures had to self-assemble all at one from the parts is a really dumb creationist strawman.
@@itsamystery5279 How do they know this? Again, you are believing people you don't know, who could be wrong. You are applying faith. Why were humans the only bacteria to become fully self aware and able to create things? Are you saying that if I left my kombucha scoby out for a few million years, I could create more humans? Or other species of animals? I could never believe such nonsense. We can't even recreate a cell, let alone have it create itself from inorganic matter. Time doesn't account for any of this. I am not related to plants and everything else living on this planet! It takes more faith to believe that I evolved from bacteria than it does to believe the Bible account of History and Jesus' Word. Modern science, and man made religion cannot stand to scrutiny, Jesus' Words can. The Bible can.
@@lozferris1719 _How do they know this?_ Because science has been investigating and testing the idea for over 160 years. At last count there were over 3 million published scientific papers documenting all aspects of evolution and evolutionary theory.
@@itsamystery5279 160 years is not a very long time; people have been studying what the Bible says for longer. They could study it for thousands of years and still be wrong; couldn't they? Also the amount of paperwork doesn't make it right either. It's not like they were writing things as they were observing things actually evolving. They're just using their imagination to fill in the gaps of their knowledge. Remember, there are unlimited ways to be wrong and only one way to be right; there is only one truth; wouldn't you agree?
The problem is that intelligence can emulate nature but nature cannot emulate intelligence, meaning that even if our intelligence can create the origin of life, there still looms the question of if nature could do it without that aid of intelligence? Even if we are studying something that we absolutely know requires an intelligence, there is still the matter of understanding how that intelligence worked out the design. If an airplane was taken back in time before the invention of airplanes, scientists would still wonder the principles an intelligence used to create a flying machine. In the case of the origin of life, there is still plenty of room to suspect natural causes and nothing definitive to know a required intelligence is necessary. This leaves us at we don't know. Maybe it's natural maybe it's intelligence. The objection is when theists assume God's role on the things we don't or can't know.
No, the objection is when atheist inquiry refuses to acknowledge the possibility of a Creator and prevent or hinder scientific inquiry because of presuppositions encumbered by evolution dogma such as deep time.
@@alantasman8273 If you desire the conclusion that your particular God exists I can understand your skepticism towards atheist scientists. That could even be a real problem if all scientists were atheists. However there are scientists who do believe a Creator exists and that our existence requires an Intelligent agent to be involved, yet the case they make for a Creator using their perspective of science shares the same kind of bias you suspect atheist scientists of having. True science works regardless of belief or lack of belief and we don't have that kind of science for a Creator yet. If we did, far more of us would be theists of some kind or at least able to offer advanced alien intelligence if we could ever make a case that intelligence is indeed required for our existence.
@@scottguitar8168 Bias is always there. The question is does a groups bias prevent real scientific inquiry from taking place. For instance, soft dinosaur tissues containing blood vessels, blood cells, collagen and even partial DNA have been found at dig sites on six continents. Over 120 peer reviewed papers have been written on this. These tissues according to Bio-chemists could not possibly be 65+ million years old. Yet a generation after this discovery..the textbooks...geology, paleontology, biology etc continue to teach that dinosaurs lived 65+ million years ago ignoring the evidence to protect the deep time narrative.
@@scottguitar8168 Atheists certainly have a bias toward naturalism. If it is within their power to prevent research with a bias toward creationism they will. This is not even debatable. Watch the movie "Expelled" as just one example. Good scientists lose their jobs for daring to divulge evidence which goes against atheistic bias. This goes against what scientific research is supposed to be about ...but it is a fact in academia today.
@@Lilliathihello, skeletons found in “middle stages” can be explained by the fact that biblical scripture tells us humans lived far longer lives than us in the current age. That longer life accounts for the bone difference. Hope that helps. The idea that those skeletons were middle stage humans.. is a theory. It is someone idea. I prefer to trust God word rather than human ideas. You can grow your faith! Faith is built by read or listening to the Bible! I listen to the Bible on UA-cam NIV.
Dr Tour is clueless. Professor Dave is right. LMAO. The scientific dinner was a disaster for him. Tour claims there is a conspiracy against him by his fellow scientists.
Not educated R U. There is not a single paper or experiment in abiogenesis research that could happen in nature without humans forcing it to happen. 30 years and nothing. Zero. I suggest you get an education before running your mouth.
@@EdGein542 NoT a single paper? There are hundreds of thousands of papers and books on abiogenesis research. How many have you read? YOU should get a clue before you write your nonsense. An experiment is obviously run and designed by humans. How else do you do experiments?
@@EdGein542 "Not educated R U." I am pretty sure I have a higher and better education than you. "There is not a single paper or experiment in abiogenesis research " Are you for real? Your head got stuck in the sand and you are screaming "la la la". Synthetic life has been created in a lab before. Back in 2010, scientists successfully created a brand-new bacteria by injecting a computer-designed genome into an existing cell, which was then able to replicate itself. A few years later, another team built artificial, self-assembling cell membranes, which could act like the "hardware" to house an artificial genome. More recently, researchers developed a semi-synthetic organism with extra genetic information in its DNA.
@VFA666 because your response to my comments addressed a completely different argument that I did not raise, and introduced two personalities that I gave no mention of.
If he cant even debate an actual scientist idk what the point of talking to us laymen is. Didnt do a very good job the last few times, shouldnt be that hard if its so obvious
@Roescoe prof Dave is literally a professor of Chem and bio. I'm entirely on Dr. James' side of the argument, but hes incredibly bad faith. It's very blatant to anyone who debates internally, but most people are blind to these sort of things. *to give him benefit of doubt, he may just be arrogant and terribly bad at communication.. id prefer that over being bad faith
@Roescoe it's very obvious to anyone with maturity on the issue. But you aren't asking in earnest either. nothing i say will be sufficient for you, youve already made up your mind about everything. Until you're genuinely open to other opinions you'll _need_ to just be right about everything and blind to everything else
This is a great talk. I’d love to see the information he is communicating visually. I think it could add an additional layer of understanding! You know those animated videos with the narration over top? Just a thought. Thanks so much for the video!
One of Tour's gripes about OOL research is OOL researchers use materials purchased from science supply houses instead of digging up all the raw materials themselves. 🙄 That's how stupid and petty some of Tour's attacks on science are.
@@Transmutathan I suppose you think since science hasn't built an entire star in the lab that means stars were POOFED into existence by the Magic Space Genie. 😄😄😄
How did a prebiotic Earth obtain purified chemicals, gases, water , etc., is the point. How did a prebiotic Earth isolate the chemicals from various compounds and solutions? How did a prebiotic Earth obtain the precise amount needed of anything at the molecular level? How did a prebiotic Earth know at what precise moment to mix in these purified chemicals in the proper sequence? Where was the pristine Lab located on a prebiotic Earth? Where did the intelligence to conduct this process come from? You think that if you go to the Deli and buy some turkey meat, stuff in in a pot with some feathers and water, then wait a gazillion years that a living Turkey will pop out?
No one is trying to cancel James Tour. There are many legitimate criticisms of what this man says. Apologists seem to have no issue lying if it's for the cause.
Other scientists don't engage with Tour on Abiogenesis because he always argues why it can't be done. All he does is argue about the problems and attack any research being done rather than contribute in a positive way. Who would want to engage with someone with that sort of attitude? The truth is research is still ongoing and about six hypotheses have been so far proposed, and no one can say with any certainity which one ocurred, or whether it was something else entirely. Just because we don't know, does not in any way suggest a god did it.
They also don't engage with him because all he does is post hit-piece videos and never publishes his critiques in actual science journals. It's the same reason NASA ignores the Flerfers.
It's the usual creationist scam to call any religious scientist who offers an opinion supporting creationism *WORLD RENOWNED!!* 😄 Creationists only understand argument from authority.
@@gk10101 I do know they can be proven wrong. But your opening post comes off like you think theories are just wild speculation with no evidence. If I got it wrong then I suggest making it clearer what you mean. Not to mention when you say “science”….makes us wonder
@VFA666 this one thing I'm pretty sure of, science will look nothing like it does now, in another 50 or 100 years. I wouldn't be surprised if someone stumbles onto a better theory at some point.
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdomit’s crazy cause Dr Tour and yourself literally address this in the video. So many disparaging comments from people who didn’t watch
No similarity at all. Scientism is simply science-of-the-gaps. There are many questions that the scientific method cannot answer, yet adherents are sure that science will answer these questions "someday".
James has that, trapped in a room and tormented by atheists for a decade type energy. Which obviously never happened. Yet he comes off severely abused.
OOL scientists could have just answered Dr. Tours questions about their work ...real life scientific inquiry works this way...but instead they responded with ad holmium attacks and character assassination.....which speaks volumes about the credibility of their work. Thankfully, Dr. Tour did the work that gullible sycophants are unwilling to do.
"now they're trying to cancel him" This is funny. You forget to say a conspiracy against the presup pseudo-scientist. Even his fellows do not want to do anything with him. He is a disgrace for science.
@@MutsPub "Dr. Tour has 1,000 peer reviewed science publications." Show is the list. You are lying. You are full of bullcrap, just like your idol Tour. Tour is a pseudo-scientist that the whole scientific community rejects. no one wants to work with Tour and he claims that is a conspiracy against him. Grow up, pre-sup.
@@MutsPub I don't know where you got 1000 but Dr. James Tour is a chemist with over 590 research publications, primarily in chemistry, materials science, and nanotechnology. However, his work has focused largely on synthetic organic chemistry, nanotechnology, and materials science rather than biology, biochemistry, or the origin of life. Do you know why we have different studies in science and people spend their entire careers in specific fields? Did you know that even Dr. Tour recognizes that Dave's online videos help his students to pass Dr. Tour classes? Nobody from Dr Tour faculty wants to work with him because he is bashing other scientists without any evidence. He calls them clueless; he is discouraging his students from going into Origin of Life research field just because.
@LGpi314 People who worked with him in his published papers are speaking up against him. He also plagiarizes. The fact that he has tenure at his Rice university gives him some security. He was also exposed at a "debate" brought on by Lee Cronin the same guy he quotes to prove his theory. So 🤷♀️
@@catsclub12566 I know. I watched the presentation Dr. Lee Cronin did at the Harvard Cambridge Faculty dinner and looked at Tour's face and everyone laughing at him. That was hilarious.
I was blown away with that also when Jesus said "If you look at a woman with lust you have already committed adultery with her in your heart" Wow that is deep
@@nitsujism it's not referring to thoughts. It's an action to look at a woman and actually lust after. That's why porn is so damaging. It's an action to look at them and pleasure yourself to them. Especially if you have a spouse. We aren't judged on our thoughts unless we are taking an action on them.
The heart of worship is sacrifice. Synagogues were for Bible study, but worship was at the Temple alone. The devil will let you have a version of the Bible if he can keep you from receiving Jesus in Holy Eucharist.
@@InfoArtistJKyeah what video are these people watching? Dr Tour literally says “I don’t know where the first cell came from and no one can give me an answer” Kind of curious how many people didn’t watch but feel compelled to comment. I wonder what it is inside of them that drives them to trash about when God and Jesus are talked about
Dr Tour, anybody with a basic training in organic synthesis understands you perfectly. I’ve been a grad student in synthesis for years now, and I know how professors address idiots. If your claims or arguments were incorrect, they would have dragged you all over the planet, your research funding would have been cut off, Rice university would have fired and disgraced you. That’s why they resort to ad hominem attacks.
2 months ago, I forced a website to change the title of a publication because it was claimed that a cell was synthesized by scientists. After reading the article, the scientific paper clearly said that the cells were “genomically minimized”. A lay person will read it and arrive at a wrong conclusion. After talking with the editor over a couple of emails, he was forced to change the title of the article to match the data presented in the scientific paper.
good to hear. Thank you for being precise on this. Every correction attempt needs to be supported and called out, as you did.
@consueloyoung6689
You don't seem to understand how apologists utilize freedom of speech and religion to their advantage.
Because of them, they're allowed to say utter nonsense without fear of consequences....
meaning, they can (and do) make utterly absurd statements, make demonstrably false claims, use fallacious arguments, and babble pseudoscientific nonsense in opposition of scientific theory, history and reason.
You can't simply fire someone for believing nonsense.
Same as you can't fire someone for saying nonsense.
So long as it doesn't break a law or violate an institutional regulation.
Unfortunately, in many cases, people are protected in this way.
For example, Michael Behe and his ID buddies didn't lose their jobs because they lost the kitzmiller trial (even though it was an embarrassingly thorough loss for ID). No, they just keep on talking out of their butts.
But they sure do have a disclaimer on their website stating Behe doesn't represent the college and that ID isn't science.
"The department faculty, then, are unequivocal in their support of evolutionary theory, which has its roots in the seminal work of Charles Darwin and has been supported by findings accumulated over 140 years. The sole dissenter from this position, Prof. Michael Behe, is a well-known proponent of "intelligent design." While we respect Prof. Behe's right to express his views, they are his alone and are in no way endorsed by the department. It is our collective position that intelligent design has no basis in science, has not been tested experimentally, and should not be regarded as scientific."
www.lehigh. edu/~inbios/News/evolution.html
Tour enjoys the same benefits of freedom of speech. He has the same rights to utter nonsense as Ken Ham, Ray Comfort, and Kent Hovind. Unfortunately, these clowns are allowed to spew dribble and nonsense under those freedoms.
It's really no different than how the news gets away with lying, all religions can babble their own special versions of what they call "truth", and how even Flat earthers are allowed to make their arguments publicly without fear of consequence.
Additionally, the scientific and academic community don't waste their time debunking those nonsensical claims when they're made by people that aren't representing the institution at the time....
However, these "scientific" claims could be disproven IF they were presented for peer review.
But apologists don't present their arguments and their claimed "evidence" for peer review, do they? No. They just babble on and on about how science is wrong when it doesn't support the Bible and do things like post their claims in youtube videos for the uneducated masses in echo chambers.
So your argument is moot.
I won't be responding to any reply you might make, so feel free to have the last word. It doesn't matter to me whether you acknowledge the accuracy of what I said or gainsay everything with your favorite "Nuh-uh" retorts or ad hominems.
Have a nice evening.
@@manamanathegreat too bad you won’t be replying to my response. You have a point, religious apologists can sometimes misinterpret scientific data, the same goes for main stream media and scientists generally.
But if you’re a honest and rational person, you’ll admit that Dr Tour’s arguments and challenge on the origin of life research community is a valid one, especially if you have any organic synthesis training.
I love science, and I’m pretty good at doing research in chemistry. But I have my own world view and spiritual beliefs, and they don’t conflict with my scientific discipline. Same goes for a lot of scientists in the past, present and will apply to future. I believe in evolution (although it has its own drawbacks), old earth and whole lot of things that we’ve been able to describe with the amount of science we currently know as a species.
That being said, it’s very important to accurately represent what the science says and be honest about it. Dr Tour is a professional chemist and I admire him a lot because he has never invoked “God of the Gaps” arguments that a lot of pseudoscientists and religious apologists use.
Also the current models and theories for the origin of life are nothing short of science fiction (esp the primordial soup model), the chemistry doesn’t work, and the researcher always buy fresh compounds obtained from biological sources to relay their synthesis.
We’ll definitely discover how life came about from non-life; but right now we don’t know and that should be what’s reported. No unnecessary hype or misrepresentation of facts is needed in the media. Rather, more scientists should work together to develop a sensible model.
The average person (layperson) or even non scientist might not be able to follow some scientific arguments, especially when their titles and other stuffs are misleading. That’s doesn’t do anybody good; atheists or theists or agnostic or whatever your belief system is.
P.S. English is not my native language so pardon some of my spelling or punctuation errors.
@@consueloyoung6689 I don't understand how life could have arisen from non-life. That is a contradiction in my eyes. But let's assume that something like this were to come into the world as a correctly accepted explanation. What would you gain from it? Why do you need a model? What would such a model be good for? What would you personally want to achieve with it?
If the explanation were beyond doubt, it wouldn't just offer a model, would it? It would be more like putting this knowledge into action? What would the action be? Prolongation of life? Immortality? Creation of living beings (humans) as opposed to sexual reproduction? Do you have an answer to this?
@@ERH-ph5gb I believe the only way life could have arisen from non-life is from extremely intelligent chemistry under impeccable reaction conditions. Chemicals are difficult to work with and if you’re lucky to get what you need, you have to separate it at the right “time”, go through extremely rigorous purification processes before you can use it for anything meaningful. Otherwise, the same conditions formed what you need will destroy it if you don’t interfere. So “time or billions of years” works against you.
I’m saying all these based on the amount of knowledge (chemistry and biology) we have now; but I believe with time as knowledge increases we will begin to unravel some mysteries.
Why? I’m a Christian and I believe God created us to be this way; intelligent and curious. Also with a burning desire to find the Truth.
The more we discover the more I marvel at God’s works in nature. So I believe scientific pursuit is a form of worship to God.
We humans are very diverse, and God knows how to talk to everyone. There’re a lot of people that have been called to God through science, some through morality, some through miracles, etc.
We must continue to explore and find truth. The scriptures say “I’m the way, the truth and the life”….
I considered myself a Jew throughout my life who didn’t know much about Christianity or Jesus, (or Jewish religion/anything of that). In my sophomore year of high school, my friend Eli opened the opportunity to read the Bible, since I wanted to know more about religions. I was 15, and I started reading from genesis to Malachi about up till summer. It was only till a month in this summer when I truly started getting dedicated and reading the gospel. However, I still struggled with pornography addictions and didn’t understand why, feeling bad. In this past week, I finally understand what keeps me from sinning, reading the Bible daily. His testimony seemed super similar to mine of his journey, thought it was cool so that’s why I posted mine. (I’m now 16 btw) Gonna keep reading to keep strong. Love the video ❤ amen in Jesus Christ’s name
Keep reading the Bible! And ask God to show you the truth. Jesus is real and He loves you!!
@@tiffanymagee2700 amen I am brother every day
Always read your Bible, but the key is the Hole Spirit indwelling you. Only when you get saved and the Spirit actually indwells you will the Bible truly come alive. Read John chapter 3 and see what Jesus tells Nicodemus about being born again. He compares himself to the serpent Moses lifted up. All you need to do is turn and look to Jesus in faith.
@@IIoveJesusEveryday good to hear that!
@@tiffanymagee2700 " Jesus is real and He loves you!!" LMAO
Why did your god commit many genocides?
Why did your god command Moses and David to commit genocides?
Will you kill your own child when your god asks?
Why do you worship this moral monster?
They can’t man up and answer the questions or admit they can’t so they try to attack his character as a diversion but when they do that they end up exposing their own bad character.
They are shameless religious zealots, and that's how they behave when you attack their religion with truth.
Scientific inquiry and conclusions should be vetted through discussion... ie questions and answers....not character assassination.
Exactly, they’ve done such a good job making it seem like you’re a child for believing in “sky daddy” but they are just afraid to be wrong because of the implications. So insecure they won’t even say the word “God” in some of these academic circles. Science now has become a propaganda campaign to explain away God.
"As a gentile, you pray that you would love God so much, that your love would make Jews jealous for the Lord." Wow, this statement blew me away. I don't know if it's my calling to evangelize Jews, but I definitely want to love God so much it would make them jealous for the Lord.
I love Donald Duck more than I love your stupid god.
Me too. When he said that Jews would only be open to talking about Jesus with a Gentile, that brought to mind the Apostle Paul. Paul was sent to preach to the Gentiles and he was a devout Jew. Dr Tour said that when Jews come to Christ through a Gentile, they preach to more Gentiles. Funny how that bears out with the book of Acts and the books that follow.
@@Pack.Leader Wrong, Paul (or Saul) was not an apostle, nor a damn Jew. He was a Roman soldier sent out to bring the early Christians back and feed them to the hungry lions. He never even met, or knew Jesus while Jesus was still alive. He just had one hell of a wild imagination and had a daydream about meeting Jesus on the road to Damaskas. That's why he changed his name to Paul in the first place. There were only 12 original apostles, and Saul was not one of them. And James Tour is a big lying sack of s**t who makes a living online lying for Jebus, so I don't believe a word that comes out of that religious nut job. The Buybull is just a fairytale book that was created by a bunch of ancient goat herders that believed the sun hid behind the trees at night on a flat stationary Earth, so nobody should believe a word of it.
@@thadofalltrades paul says we are saved to cause the jews to become jealous that they might know their Messiah is Jesus.
Christians don’t believe in a God of the gaps, atheists believe in “time of the gaps”. They believe if you throw enough time at a problem, the problem magically disappears.
Do you even know what’s meant by god of the gaps???
@@DM-dk7js As demonstrated in this example he does. Filling in a "X did it" where X is an untestable entity. You can't test 1Billion years since you don't live that long.
The problem is that if you throw more time, you'll have more degradation, more erosion, more half-life, more rottenness, etc., etc.
We know what happens when a fish falls to the bottom of a lake, it's eaten by bacteria. The same is true with nearly all the organic matter, it degrades until it is broken apart in non-alive matter, basically dust. And we're not even talking about entropy.
I know that the right word is not evolution, because if something has the ability to change over the time (relatively short time) it is because it's inherently programmed in its nature, so the right word would be "variability" or "adaptability" but not evolution, because according to the atheist guys, evolution is a process that happens by pure chance and programmed behavior is not chance, is planned behavior.
That's the problem of believing in an inside-the-creation god (a god that religions other than Christianity have), but our God, the God of Israel, is outside the creation, and time, he is not caged in the box created by himself, not tied by physical laws. He is almighty and worthy to be trusted, so I prefer instead of trying to match my beliefs with the mainstream science (that is very low-low advance compared with the infinite wisdom that all the living things created by God show), attach my beliefs to the scriptures, I don't have to apologize to others for their blindness, totally the opposite, I should call them to open their eyes and see the evident."
"The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, And night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, Where their voice is not heard."
Psalms 19:1-3.
@j96569 Given enough time, fish can become ape can become man, without anyone having to prove, observe and duplicate it 😀
@DM-dk7js Yeah bro, there's a gap for your LACK of evidence so you fill it with TIME and claim that's the evidence
Evolution of the gaps is what I often see from secular people
@@shawnboahene5231 Fairytales of the gaps, and of all the other imagined but missing links.
This was a powerful interview with Dr Tour. My faith was greatly strengthened by Dr Tour. A great inspiration .
Definition of faith "strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof."
“Where there is evidence , no one speaks of " faith " . We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round . We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence .”
― Bertrand Russell
Thank you for your comment. I will definitely keep Bertrand Russel in my prayers. Thank you and God Bless you.
@@Romero610 It is sad that people in 21st century are relying on goat herders' understanding of the world from 2000-6000 years ago. To me it is insane.
It's wild that scientists will not acknowledge that the Primordial Soup model is a myth. It's a lot easier to just say " we don't know"
As god is...
Only intelligence can produce genetic code.
@Mr.PrayingMantis he came down and pronounced he is God and died on a cross, there is historical evidence Jesus existed so more evidence of God than scientists have of the beginning of life
@@Mr.PrayingMantis dismissing intelligent design in favor of circumstance is the equivalent of not "believing" in the number zero. Says a lot about your motivations.
@@TheHolsomback no you don't...
Glory be to God
I am stunned that people could possibly think scientist had made life in a lab. Who are these people? I was educated in the 60's and never heard that beginning of life was understood. Never.
Jack W. Szostak .. specifically.
They're actually everywhere, believe it or not. They think scientists know how life came about by naturalistic processes, and that creating amino acids in a lab (an extraordinarily simple process) is evidence of this.
I've talked to them.
Well this is the heart of the issue - each generation is born without knowledge; they know only what we teach them.
If we teach them things like abiogenesis from the primordial soup and darwinism/evolution, as I was taught, then they will believe those things :(
@@darioferrari9794evolution is a fact
@@darioferrari9794
Not if you use your brain and think for yourself. Read the Bible for yourself to know the truth. Maranatha
I really appreciate Tour’s work and honesty. He exposed and handled that Professor Dave guy really well. It was awesome and it strengthened my faith in God.
_"He exposed and handled that Professor Dave guy really well."_
He made a fool of himself and is still trying to recover.
Tour got his ass handed to him by Dave. Tour was nothing more than a ranting lunatic on repeat.
exactly. the athiests think that name calling wins arguments
@@HS-zk5nnthat’s what Tour did!!!
@@DM-dk7js like what exactly?
When I look at the milky way in the night sky, I don't wonder at the origin of the universe, I think of the multitudes of angels surrounding the Throne of Grace.
I love the mystery if only to make me humble.
By the way beautiful testimony from the Proffessor. Thank you.
"The joy of the Lord is my strength." The world will not steal our joy. Jesus has overcome the world and so will we!
God bless ❤
Amen brother
Wonderful interview on every level of dialogue. Thank you dear brothers. ❤
25 years ago I saw Jim Tour change a stranger's flat tire and get their baby to stop crying.
25 years ago I saw James change a stranger's baby and get their tire to stop leaking!
Is there Anything he Can't do?? 🤩
As a 25 year old tire, I agree
A year ago I watched Dr Tour get his ass handed to him by Dave Farina in an Origin of Life debate.
@@nudsh 😆That's the funniest one so far! It looked like Dave was gonna cry.
@@Greenie-43x then you are apparently watching some other debate. At the end of it when Tour was ranting and screaming like a lunatic, Dave calmly said, " you were watching The unraveling of a lunatic...".
Dave proved on every one of Tour's challenges that we do have a clue. I guess you missed that part.
Thank you for this, will be a great listen at work later
This guy is the perfect combination of Christian and scientist. Knowing what he knows, and stating clearly what he doesn’t know, and not making outrageous claims based on faith 👍✌️🇺🇸
@Robert-ct6bc you're conflating two different things. Tour is talking about science and abiogenesis. You should actually listen to him when he talks about the science, unless your mind is so blinded you can't see
@Robert-ct6bc
@Robert-ct6bc
I listened well, and I never heard him say that he knows who God is, much less where it all started. But his knowledge of science was extraordinary. There has to some sort of evolution over millions of years, not from a pond, and certainly not from “The Garden of Eden” I went to 16 years of Christian schools, I’m not hating on anyone’s beliefs. So peace to you my friend. 😘
“Is it you have trouble with”, this is how you make a sentence? I’m not talking about the host, I know how he feels about the Bible, I’m talking about the level headed scientist, who’s honest enough to say there’s a lot we don’t know, I doubt he thinks the earth is only six thousand years old, just because some lunatics believe every word and date in the bible. You know, the people that lived 300/900 years old and include dinosaurs on the ark, and kangaroos, who only live in Australia. Not to mention how the hell did Noah catch all those birds. Did he have penguins too. I was trying to be nice, but nobody even knows who wrote the Old Testament, it’s like our liberal media, you can’t believe anything they say, just cause they’re on TV.
Great video and powerful testimony Dr.
Evolution is the "science of the gaps" where people just fill in gaps with the Underpants Gnome Part B "something happens in between here." It doesn't follow that A leads to B leads to C in the sequence from primordial soup, its just a neat model that allows people to try to replace a creator.
If examined closely, evolutionism is unfalsifiable. Every time something comes along that blows a hole through the theory, they work hard until they come up with some way it still fits, no matter how contradictory, byzantine, or absurd it has to be.
@@christophertaylor9100
Thank you for “science of the gaps”!
I’m gonna use that! 😁
_"Evolution is the "science of the gaps" where people just fill in gaps"_
Nope. Evolution is based on evidence. There is no such thing as science of the gaps. You just don't understand what you're talking about.
_" It doesn't follow that A leads to B leads to C in the sequence from primordial soup, its just a neat model that allows people to try to replace a creator."_
Sooooo you're talking about abiogenesis ...not evolution.
Proving my point. You have no idea.
@@markh1011
Abiogenesis is a prerequisite for evolution, just as the Big Bang is a prerequisite for abiogenesis.
Get out of here with that.
@@johnmacrae2006 Your response shows how confused you are. You started talking about evolution and went onto talk about something that isnt evolution.
Whether it's a prerequisite doesn't matter. *You don't know the difference between the 2 topics*
That's like trying to refute medicine by talking about the big bang.... 🤦♂🤦♂
So bless to have Dr.Tour voicing this stuff in public 😊
Great job on this interview, it was beautiful to see how devout his and your faith is! Peace of our Lord be upon you both!
The only thing that science has proven is our understanding of this universe changes everyday.
...Increases every day.
@@gladishilton1943 😅😅😅😅😅😅🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. No it doesn't
@@NorthMavericks-ow7jk Amusing that you don't think so.
Just goes to show you learn something every day.
@@conot4006 Just trust da science - It can be right one day, then wrong the next day 🙃
Yup...take the jab it will prevent you from getting "C". LOL
The day the chemistry world admits that input is necessary for life to come about our world will change forever.
Input? What’s an input?
@@DM-dk7js intelligent input
@@thadofalltradeshow did you prove intelligent input is required for life?
@@DM-dk7js my statement is saying that at some point the chemistry world will have to admit that intelligent input is required. Even if they successfully create it in the lab, it is still intelligently designed.
@@thadofalltrades….why?
Great man. Great interview!
Tour is full of bullcrap and this channel is the same.
Thanks for this! I love all of your videos and I appreciate both of you and love that you got together to give us this great info!
The chemistry stuff was great, but that latter half… far better
It sure was. I listened to that part twice.
I don’t know how you didn’t know that Nabeel was close to James. James even spoke at Nabeel’s funeral
I’m late to the game! That was really cool to hear though ❤
That’s the guy who Tour stole his work and pretended it pointed to god?
@@DM-dk7jsBrother why spend your time creating strawman on UA-cam?
Even if you don’t believe in God you owe it to yourself to find a greater purpose
Love you brother. Hope you find peace and contentment
@@Absinthe1923….it wasn’t a strawman. I correctly believed that they were talking about a colleague of Tour’s who was taken advantage of by Tour in death.
Sorry?
@@DM-dk7jsproof?
The spirit hovered over the waters creating life thank-you father son holy spirit. Genesis 1
This was Beautiful thank you gentlemen. Praise Abba the source of Wisdom and understanding!
It is a disheveling experience, where things that you once focused on, things which you thought were important, now are not important anymore.
If anyone reading this studied organic chenistry knows that it is way above rocket science--it's as complex as complex can get. People who excel in this field are the smartest of the smart and this applies to Dr. Tour. His critiques of evolution are the best argued and devastating to the accepted pseudo-science dogma behind evolution and Darwinism.
Tour isn't in the field of abiogenesis research. He's a synthetic chemist as well as being a lying YEC.
@@itsamystery5279maybe you should spend 30 secs online googling what abiogenesis means before you run your mouth on a topic you’re ignorant about
@@itsamystery5279 To my knowledge Dr Tour has never touted YEC, Young Earth Creationism...actually the contrary...so it is you who is the liar. I am saying this as a YEC.
@@alantasman8273 This is from Tour's website:
"Based upon my faith in the biblical text, I do believe (yes, faith and belief go beyond scientific evidence for this scientist) that God created the heavens and the earth and all that dwell therein, including a man named Adam and a woman named Eve."
You're both a liar and an idiot.
I love this man, God bless you and your wonderful words my brother. Love the channel also brother much love to you also. Actually, mercy peace and love to all those in Christ Jesus, Yeshua HaMashiach.
Amen brother
I remember when chemistry student asked Tour a question at his lecture and Tour's response was. You must have to believe in jesus.
This is what presups at DI look like. LMAO
Anecdotal BS!
@@MutsPub Yes, you are.
What was the question
@notnikwowtime6202 The question was, what evidence does Tour have for his god?
Thank you for all you do, Dr. Tour! Thank you for this video too!
LMAO. clueless Tour and the whole scientific community rejects him. LMAO
If I'm understanding correctly, the main take away is this :
-No known force in the universe, apart from intelligence, can be credited for the formation of protein let alone life itself. Therefore, abiogenesis still argue from pure faith.
The main problem with atheism's "God of the gap argument" is that they arbitrarly dismiss intelligence as a unique force in the universe.
If any human, ever, landed on an unknown planet and saw a face sculpture carved in the rock, the primary assumption would never be : "water and wind made this" but instead "there is intelligent life on this planet" and that would be the most logical assumption, that is not a "human of the gap" argument. So why is it suddenly "God of gap" when christian says only an intelligent being akin to God can make a complex structure like a human ?
You aren't understanding correctly. The argument Tour makes is "we don't know all the details of how life happened naturally so it must be impossible unless my Christian God did it"
@itsamystery5279 your inclusion of quotes of something he did not say just renders your argument into a strawman. His argument has always been the science doesnt make sense and inteligent design fits the evidence more completely then the athiest argument.
@@itsamystery5279 It's incredible the uncharitable view and lies that so many commenters post. If you took the time to listen maybe you'd be able to steelman Tour better. Tour makes no predictions about how abiogenesis will eventually be discovered to have happened. (your "unless my Christian God did it" lie)
@@Bradawick "inteligent design fits the evidence more completely then the athiest argument" I know Stephen Meyer says this, but I don't even think Tour said that.
Not only is Abiogenesis not a fact, but neither is Darwinism Evolution.
Ironically, I heard somewhere that Charles Darwin actually believed in God.
If that's true, that would mean a lot of scientists are using his theory as a weapon to push an agenda against Christianity in a very unscientific manner. Talk about losers.
Darwinism is actually occult in origin
What evidence do you have that abiogenesis is not a fact? And, evolution is an observed fact, period. Not only do we observe it in living things, we have BOTH the fossil record and DNA genealogical history and traceability. Why do people like you blurt out these ignorant 'matter of fact' statements without a clue as to what you are saying?
@@nudshThe evidence that abiogenesis is *not* a fact, in any verified way, is that it has never been demonstrated. That’s pretty simple. Even if it were to be true, which seems to be unlikely, you can’t really call something a fact if it hasn’t been proven, can you?
When it comes to evolution, it is not observed in living things. We observe adaptation and speciation, but that’s not the same thing as evolution (which is the _story_ that pond scum gained more and more genetic information over time until eventually becoming people). If we regularly observed the addition of new genetic information being gained in living creatures, then you could at least make a decent case for evolution, even still being unable to prove it definitively. But we don’t even observe that.
Neither are the fossil record or DNA concrete evidences for evolution. Both domains of knowledge are highly subject to interpretation. On top of the evidences evolutionists do point to being inconclusive (as they can reasonably be interpreted differently and are lacking even if you interpret them their way), there exist powerful counter evidences that they ignore almost completely.
@nudsh Micro evolution is a fact. Macro is a fairy tale based on wild speculations. There is no mechanism for specified information to be gained. The fossil record has massive holes and issues such as the cambrian explosion, plants coming after animals, the living fossil fish, circular dating practices, and impossible scenarios such as jellyfish being fossilized. Genetic history could point to a common source from either a hereditary way or from a creator. It could be evidence for intelligent design just as easily. I would encourage you to look into the extreme difficulties of macro evolution and how the theory is currently in shambles with several prominent evolutionary biologists saying we need to go back to the drawing board because neo-darwinism appears to be false
And he's still sticking with the "primordial soup" model even though scientists abandoned that years ago.
They absolutely did not abandon it….over and over they say life started in water….
Clueless
@@edgein8632 Who is "they"? Give us the name and doi that proves your claim.
Nobody knows where or how life began.
@@MutsPub They means everyone that believes life started on its own dum dum. Nobody has any scientific evidence life started on its own. Zero
@@edgein8632 Meaningless rhetoric.
@@MutsPub Oh really….Give us actual evidence life started on its own dum dum…..moor on.
Evolutionist are the ones who invoke evolution as a mystical, unexplainable reason that magically fills in the gaps.
False. It’s heavily documented. There’s more evidence for evolution than gravity.
This was so amazing. The last 16 minutes was so good that I screen-shot it for later. I hope you won't mind that I share it. I will give a link to the full video when I do. His love of Christ is enough to make me want to cry. It's genuine and visceral. And it's something we can all experience ourselves. Jesus is no respecter of persons.
They tell us "this is how it is". We say explain it, and they say, "Trust me bro"
Yup and the jab will keep you from getting the disease.
Dr Tour, thank you so much for explaining to us NOT chemists! You explain the complexity in a way I can understand and you're very careful to show how far it goes without making "god of the gaps" assumptions! Thank you!
Full of bullcrap and fallacies.
There's no room for bias in science. What you believe at home should stay at home. We should also look at the Grant and endowments that fund it. Billionaires only invest in things that accumulate some kind of dividend. This is why treatments make more money than cures.
This is why James should NOT hold the position he has.
Yes, unfortunately, money or even fame corrupts just about anything it touches. TC
@@DM-dk7js That can only be determined by his peers scrutinizing his work. Fraud's are easily caught this way.
@@dreadassembly4087 _That can only be determined by his peers scrutinizing his work_ Which is why it's very telling Tour has never submitted any of his OOL criticisms for peer review and professional science publication. All he does is give talks in church basements and make creationist propaganda YT videos.
@DM-dk7js So his personal views disqualify him from his profession? That might be the most ridiculous thing I've heard today.
Sad that UA-cam decided to erase my comment. The most amazing discovery has taken place regarding bacterial motion. Proteins, millions of them, combine to form an extraordinarily complex axial "motor" with pinions and reversing ring gears made of other proteins. The flagellum is attached to this amazing drive motor making it turn like a long screw resulting in propulsion.
This should put to bed any and all disagreements regarding the origin of life.
A UA-cam search should yield results ..
@@Deploracle those motor proteins are incredible. I'm a Navy trained nuclear electricians mate, I have a decent grasp of motors and generators, and what's going on there is sheer beauty, man. That makes our most precision motor systems look primitive, and it's been here for however many thousands of years it's been. I know they've been here for sure for about 46 years.
Rotates at 100,000 rpm, reverse coarse on a quarter turn, travels 20 of it's own length per second while sensing where to go with a built in signal transduction circuit.
Pretty cool 😎 👍
And what does this scientific knowledge profit you? Absolutely nothing.
@@JohnSmith-jf4so Everything I have ever learned profits me. What a weird comment.
"This should put to bed any and all disagreements regarding the origin of life."
right so you are saying it is too complex to come naturally
43:53 When my mother started a cultural after school thing (sports, playing instruments, singing etc.) in our small town, she had colleagues turn on her, despite their 20+ years of professional and real friendship, heck some of them even babysat me. It was vicious, but all of it was ad hominem attacks. The cultural thing was fine and beyond approach.
In my opinion these two guys are at the top of the top.. they are the ultimate authority on these issues on this planet right now
Nah, Tour isn't more than a critiquer. The top authorities he's critiquing should be saying what he's saying, but they keep it hush hush.
Abiogenesis is a sticky problem for science. The primordial soup model simply doesn't work. Great video.
Science admits we don’t have the answers….so it’s not a sticky problem. God model doesn’t work.
it works as long as they keep saying it. thats how its worked for this long. they dont have to experiment or prove it. just say it does. thats how evolution passed as well
@Robert-ct6bc it's not better because it's anti-science! When science proven facts and experiments says something is impossible, abiogenesis, it's only your religion of macroevolution that makes you believe it.
@@conspiracy1914another creationist lying I see
@@bobdalton2062well that’s a lie
I personally think this is the single greatest apologetic argument. When you get someone alone and confront them with the idea of a single cell either popping into existence or animating on its own, most people realize they’ve never even thought about it before. Animals becoming other animals just makes sense to them, but the actual origin of life is such a complex mystery it can create a domino effect on its own. Leads them to see that life was obviously created.
Even the guy you just watched, hints that’s not a wise or logical position to take, he argued against the god of the gaps. I know the UA-camr probably doesn’t but the scientist certainly. So there’s nothing obvious about us being created; thinking that there is is at best, premature.
@@rolandop7816 if you have a better model let’s hear it.
@@rolandop7816
Confronting the practical impossibility of abiogenesis is liable to create one hell of a “gap” in one’s paradigm.
_"I personally think this is the single greatest apologetic argument. "_
If this is the best you've got then oh boy you don't have anything.
We don't know how life started. There are things we don't know. Every time we don't know something should we assume a god is the answer? That's what has happened in the past and that's not a logical argument.
@@markh1011
And “science” aka, the scientific method is powerless to observe the events of the past several billion (🙄) years.
It appears we are at an impasse.
The origin of life is a mystery! Trying to argue the origin is an endless, exhausting conquest, to the point of making one's head explode! We are told to live by faith, being the key for peace, so, rather than fry my brain trying to understand the molecular persuasion of life, I'm going instead to work on my golf game!
Yes, Science can be great sometimes, but at times it seems so cold and unfeeling. instead of just seeing the beauty this world has to offer we have to tear it apart and try to figure it all out. And I love Golf+ on Quest 3 lol TC.
@@muppetonmeds What's wrong with being curious and wanting to investigate and understand the natural world? We've made some very beneficial discoveries like cures for some diseases that way.
@@itsamystery5279 Read my comment I said it has a good use. But it's not everything in this life. TC
@@muppetonmeds OK, fair enough. Who ever said science is everything?
@@itsamystery5279 You might be reading too much into my comment. I am just saying sometimes it's just nice to smell a rose rather than tear it apart and figure out why it smells. I'm just talking metaphorically not literally. TC
A plausible theory for the origin of life is that it began through a series of chemical reactions that transformed inorganic material into organic material, then into early cells.
These reactions may have been likely or may have required one or more highly improbable chemical events.
In other words, we don't have a clue.
Got it?
Except we've identified a number of steps in the process and shown how they are plausible. To liars like Tour that means NO PROGRESS in 50 years.
@@itsamystery5279 Dr. Jennifer A. Doudna PhD Nobel Laureate Chemistry (CRISPR/Cas9 genetic scissors ‐ 2020) Professor of Biochemistry, Biophysics and Structural Biology at UC Berkeley stated as to the discovery of the ever increasing levels of complexity in the cell, “it seems like we are climbing a mountain that keeps getting higher and higher. The more we know, the more we realize there is to know.”
Dr. Donna Blackmond PhD stated that we have made no progress in the last 70+ years in discovering the origin of life.
In fact, we are farther away!
Dr. Stuart Kauffman PhD stated that we need a new physics to discover the Origins of Life.
Dr. Leslie Orgel PhD stated, "it would be a miracle if a strand of RNA ever appeared on the early Earth."
Quote from you, "Except we've identified a number of steps in the process and shown how they are plausible."
These Origin of life experts do not agree with you.
Exactly who is this "we" you are talking about?
@@MutsPub Moor on….life requires proteins and it’s a fact that proteins cannot be created outside a living cell so it’s impossible for life to begin on its own since hundreds of proteins must first be created to begin life. Not educated R U?
I think the main problem with the God of the gaps argument is that it presupposes that something can be explained without God, but that is false. Nothing could be explained apart from God since everything happens because of God.
No. The god of the gaps argument is an argument from ignorance fallacy. Period. No getting around that. It’s illogical and invalid.
Child cancer? Parasites?
@@nitsujism Exodus 4:11 ESV
[11] Then the Lord said to him, “Who has made man’s mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?
@@abraao2213 If I don't think the bible is credible, why would I care about you quoting it?
@@nitsujism it is the answer to your question.
Jesus Christ created all that is seen and unseen.
Jesus did not do anything he is a mythological figure.
Amen yes sir he sure did blessed be his name forever and ever.
@@JohnSmith-jf4so So Jesus did nothing.
@@kos-mos1127 you cant even prove you are human to me. go ahead try
@@HS-zk5nn You cannot prove anything in reality. You can only falsify something. IE if I see that all swans are white I can say that swans are whiet but in reality there are black swans so the statement fallls outside of
logical proofs. Proof belongs to mathematics which uses a game of logic.
So they claim that random forces made a living cell in some outdoor 'soup', coincidentally.
While they cannot under strict controlled attempts, inside their state of the art labs recreate this event.
At what point will the atheist realize he's wrong?
Who is wrong? Tour is a clueless pseudo-scientist whom the whole scientific community rejects.
@@LGpi314 I think I made it very clear for you, that the people who believe in the magical soup was wrong.
Judging from your comment you seem be part of this demographic.
@@Lasse3 "At what point will the atheist realize he's wrong?" I was referring to this. We know it is wrong.
@@LGpi314You're only bullshitting your-self...
You're a blind, gullable and naieve member of the scientism cult. Darwinism/evolutionary theory isn't real science. It isn't reproducible, it cannot make falsifiable claims (isn't testable), it is just historical storytelling and even the fossil record disproves many of its little fairytales. Darwinism is a pacifier for adults, that temporarily calms their conscience.
Dr. Tour, I can't thank you enough for taking a stand not only for truth in biology but for your deep love for Christ, the gospel, and the unsaved. Bless your heart sir and please continue to fight the good fight!!
Stand for what? He has been debunked too many times. Presup.
This is an incredible conversation.
Incredible that Tour can cunt on his audience to the point that his talking points have al been exposed as fraudolence, yet he is still telling the same lies without any resistence on noumerous christian YT channels
I also a member of my church that had his PHD in BioChemistry, he gave a science and the Bible class once. One thing I took away is left and right handed organic molicules and how left ones destructive to life and the right versions are what are needed for life, so how did only right handed ones bump into each other in the soup and why did lightning only hit the right handed ones.
You have it flipped around. the amino acids of life are all “left-handed” in shape.
Jesus Christ saves from hell. Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day (1st Corinthians 15:1-4 KJB). Water baptism DOESN'T save us (1st Corinthians 1:17 KJB). Jesus shed His blood for our sins (Ephesians 1:7 KJB). We are saved by grace through faith, not our own works (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJB).
Amen Brother
Jesus Christ is the REASON that this “hell” concept even exists... In Judaism the concept of the the afterlife was call Sheol and was NOT considered a eternal torture pit... Don’t you Christians find it strange how the Old Testament doesn’t EVER mention this “hell” place in any of the writings? That because it didn’t exist in the Old Testament... it’s ONLY in Christianity’s New Testament and therefore Christ is the reason for why this “hell” place even exists... Without Jesus and the New Testament we wouldn’t need to be “saved” from a place that didn’t exist... Ironically it’s its only because of the writings of the New Testament that we supposedly “need” this so called “saver” figure... Without THAT there no reason to believe in the gospel and it’s nonsense idea of “salvation” and other of its ridiculous claims. 😒
@@benclark4823 Just say you hate Jesus, bud
@@rip.van.winkle_ why don’t YOU just admit that your so called “saver” is the ONLY reason why you’re so afraid of ending up this “hell” dimension in the first place… without your precious Jesus you Christian’s wouldn’t have to worry all the time about being thrown into a eternal torture pit with fire and brimstone… it’s Christianity that’s the REASON why you’re so afraid of “hell” being real… without Christianity you wouldn’t EVER be afraid of something that clearly doesn’t exist. 🙄
@@rip.van.winkle_coward
However life began
However we evolved
However we came to be
God is the cause the creator the designer the architect
Prove it.
@@DM-dk7js Soon as you specify the proof-theoretic framework which you won't reject.
Because you started with the assumption of God and worked backwards.
@@Lilliathi If you are working backwards from it - it must be a conclusion, not an assumption.
You work forward from assumptions.
@@tgenov
Those are not mutually exclusive. You can assume a conclusion.
Thank you for interviewing Dr. Tour.
Awesome!!! Thanks!!!
Dawkins and Kraus use “pseudo science of the gaps” for those that pay attention.
Some examples please?
?
allows them to believe in their pond daddy
@@therick363 Dawkins has said that although macro evolution has never been observed in nature...the fact that we are here means it happened. If that this not an example of pseudo science of the gaps...I don't what is.
God is the true origin of life!
Abiogenesis is the true origin of life!
See, I can make baseless claims too.
I don't know if you do merch but if you make a t with that soup on it I'm buying it
Good bless brother
Haha! Good idea!
Amen Hallelujah!!!!!!!! Thank you
Science is simply the observation of the created world. Praise Yeshua!
Yeshua was a myth.
Christianity is fake. It stole pretty much everything from other earlier religions and the same way Islam did with small modifications.
The is no evidence of a global flood, there is no evidence that jesus as the son of god or Moses ever existed, and the resurrection was stolen from Julius Caesar's resurrection. No resurrection. Snakes and donkeys do not talk. Genesis is full of contradictions. Earth is not 6000 years old.
ALL THOSE ARE LIES. People now know and leaving the religion for what it is CULT.
Agreed 💯💯💯 and Amen 🙏🙏🙏
You mean lying creationist lies about origin of life research, don't you? That's all James ever does is lie for Jesus.
What lies? Show us the cell you built. I'll wait.
@@SciD1 Who the hell said I built any cell, because it sure wasn't me. But scientists have created some of the building blocks for life, and even found some of them on meteorites from Outerspace that self-created somehow. So, I'm sure it's just a matter of time before we will figure out how to create life in a lab setting, which will mean your god is as useless as a screen door on a submarine. Your god will be put right out of business, right?
@@jerrylong6238 Building blocks of life are astronomical steps away from creating life.
The problem isn't how to create life in a lab. Cells exist so there is a way to make them exist. The problem is creating them in a pre-biotic random environment.
For instance, there are chemical reactions that once started continue to react through different stages. For life to exist, the reactions have to be stopped at a point that won't happen naturally, and we are talking about the basics of life, so before there is a system in place to halt the reaction as a given place.
For instance, these building blocks found on meteorites are amino acids which are used to build protein chains. These chains require a high level of accuracy because the qualities of each amino acid causes folding which creates a shape that can do work in the cell. In the cell there is a molecule called a folderon. It is used to fold these protein chains in the right order. Without it the chains will fold in all kinds of wrong ways. Where are the folderons at this stage of creation?
Now proteins are made up of anywhere from 150 to 1000 amino acids that have to be in a right order. There are 20 different amino acids that are used for life, though there are a few more in nature, I believe. So each segment of the 150 Amino acid chain has to be randomly selected from 20 options. This alone makes 4 billion years a blink of an eye compared with the time needed for this to happen randomly. Not only that but AA chains form side chains as well but life's proteins use very few side chains. So this random environment would not only have to order 20 different kinds of AAs in a 150ish long chain accurately, it would have to do it without creating any side chains or when it did, it would have to do so on the proper link of 150 Amino Acids. It gets worse though. There are left and right handed Amino Acids(mirror images of each other). Life, for some reason only uses left handed amino acids. Now these L and R handed varieties appear equally in nature so in any primordial soup, you would expect to find as many left handed as right handed varieties. Thes L and R handed AAs can also form chains together equally.
Now according to our current science, the simplest cell requires a minimum of about 250 proteins. So this is what we have.
In a single location there must have been all 20 kinds of Amino Acids, in enough quantities to form 250 proteins, and by random forces and without the aid of any biological evolution, as there is no replication, Amino acid chains to create 250 different proteins had to be selected from a pool of both left and right handed amino acids without creating side chains, and survive, come together in order to participate for the first cell.
Do you understand why God isn't anywhere close to being out of business?
@@blusheep2
_"Do you understand why God isn't anywhere close to being out of business?"_
Obviously there are things we don't know. That's where the god of the gaps comes in.
Every century these gods are the answer for less and less unknown questions.
@@markh1011 That is a nice quip but that hasn't been the case in the recent century. Over the past 50 years, at least, science has done more for the belief in God then any science has done prior.
If we continue to discuss this, you will find that I will never assume a god of the gaps.
This is 100% a god of the gaps argument. Tour says he would never say, "I don't know therefore God", and he doesn't so in his mind he's technically not lying I guess. Instead he says, "Nobody knows, therefore God", which is a slightly different way to commit the same fallacy. I'm not sure how many lines of research into abiogenesis are currently in progress, but I can tell you water, which appears to be essential to life, is everywhere in the universe. Mars has liquid water. There are huge chunks of frozen water in the asteroid belt. Jupiter's moon Europa seem to have a frozen crust but plenty of liquid water underneath. The energy to keep the water liquid is provided by the gravity from Jupiter pumping energy into Europa.
I can also tell you that enough progress has been made for scientists to understand that proteins and amino acids seem to be the chemical precursors that need to be present to form life, because they are present in some percentage in all living cells. Of course other chemical or physical structures are needed, but proteins and amino acids are ubiquitous. I can also tell you that they have been found in plenty in deep space.
Which brings me to my last point. Natural or supernatural are not the only two options. Panspermia suggests life may have started elsewhere and spread or been spread to Earth. This probably sounds crazy but the necessary elements are everywhere in space. NASA folks have found Earth fungus growing on the outside of the ISS. And Tardigrades, or water bears are very tough little animals that can survive direct exposure to space for three days. There's generally no reason they should be able to survive space as they live in temperate aquatic environments here on Earth. It may be this trait is superfluous now but was useful to them in the past. We also know that Mars has been struck by asteroids hard enough for pieces of its crust to end up on Earth.
Clueless. In order for life to exist there must be an atmosphere and protection from radiation. Earth has 300-600 times the concentration of minerals that are required for creating a hot core which creates a magnetic field that both holds an atmosphere and protects from radiation. No other rocky surface in the universe contains this concentration. Also, earth has 30 times less concentration of sulfur than the rest of rocky surfaces which allows life. Water is not life giving on its own, especially frozen. Just stop.
@@edgein8632you’ve scanned every other planet out there?
@@therick363 Yes NASA has dum dum
@@edgein8632 1-no they haven’t
2-insults huh? Tells us all you have ZERO arguments and evidence and character.
@@therick363 Dum dum they absolutely know the composition of the planets and asteroids. Clueless
THIS IS SO FANTASTIC!!!! God Bless you both!!!!🥰
Dawkins calls those "scientists" a disgrace to humanity.
Brandon is afraid to bring an atheist to his shows.
@@LmGpiiis this really what you do? Is go around trying to bully christians online? LOOOOOOOL
@@daMillenialTrucker Asking questions that theists refuse to answer is not bulling.
How can there be lies about the origin of life that has not been proven yet or known how it happened?
Seems like at most you can is argue against theories...
Making claims that we will have life in the lab in three years and twenty years later making the same claims is lying.
Atheist god of the gaps is TIME 😂
Nope but we get you can’t be honest
@@therick363 I'm honest enough to say you just don't like the god of the gaps time theory
@@Bro_Mike_Phil117but you’re not honest. You make assumptions and insults and then ignore whatever anyone says.
@therick363 What was the insult? The only insult I see in the thread is your false claim against my honesty.
Or does it only work one way?
@@Bro_Mike_Phil117 you know exactly what I mean. You have been tossing insults on thread after thread. Your comment above shows disrespect. Just accept that you aren’t able to make comments without one or the other.
Atheists don’t have time of the gaps. We admit we don’t have all the answers-and then we go investigate. Unlike theists who claim to have all the answers but don’t back them up. We get you don’t like the god of the gaps you do pull, so you have to try to flip it but it doesn’t work and you can’t handle that
Renowned Chemist? 😂😂😂😂😂😅
If you really want to make a false authority claim then: What credentials do you actually have? Dr. Tour at least has a PhD and more startups done and more patents to his name than you have in diplomas including your swimming certificate.
@mk71b
Does a person need to have equivalent or better qualifications or knowledge in order to question another person's standing as a renowned expert?
@@Yossarian.Uh.. yeah lol
@@Yossarian.If you know more, go ahead and refute Dr. Tours claims, go ahead, do it, i wanna hear what you know
@daMillenialTrucker
Clearly, I can't refute his claims. I can only trust the opinions of his peers. They take a dim view of his supernaturally biased scientific opinions.
For likes of Mr Tour, science is fine just as long as it doesn't step on God's toes.
If it does, then it needs to be refuted.
You see this pattern of behaviour with most of his contemporaries.
If you don't mind me asking, are you a Christian?
"I don't use God of the gaps" then proceeds to use an example of God of the gaps.
Great first 40 seconds.
Tour claiming "I don't use God Of The Gaps" is like the Discover Institute claiming "ID isn't about the Christian God!" 😄😄😄
You didn't really pay attention.
@@AlanHitchner enough attention to see the blatant contradiction in the intro.
@@friisteching3433 Okay can you lay out the contradiction? Also it might help to give a short definition of god of the gaps.
@VFA666he never once said anything even remotely similar to a claim that it must have been God. He didn't attempt to fill the gap with God, he just pointed out that there *is* a gap.
Tour says at 30:10 "it can't come from random assembly". Am I getting the point here that he does *not* claim that these things can only assemble via intelligence. But he *does* indeed rule out randomness definitively?
@VFA666Hey, I'm just trying to better understand the atheistic worldview and what views people are carrying these days. I'm just trying to find out what is being taught these days and what the general consensus is around certain topics.
I'm just wondering if you could explain what you mean by "Evolution doesn't happen by things randomly falling together"? If that's not what scientists are claiming, I'm just wondering what is making things "fall together" and stay together?
What makes my cells form, me and continue forming "me" for the rest of my life? How did DNA evolve?
@@lozferris1719 Evolution is a long term process which produces complex results by small gradual additions to already existing functions. That goes back to the very beginning, the very first imperfectly self-replicating prebiotic molecules. The creationist claim complex structures had to self-assemble all at one from the parts is a really dumb creationist strawman.
@@itsamystery5279 How do they know this? Again, you are believing people you don't know, who could be wrong. You are applying faith.
Why were humans the only bacteria to become fully self aware and able to create things? Are you saying that if I left my kombucha scoby out for a few million years, I could create more humans? Or other species of animals?
I could never believe such nonsense. We can't even recreate a cell, let alone have it create itself from inorganic matter.
Time doesn't account for any of this. I am not related to plants and everything else living on this planet! It takes more faith to believe that I evolved from bacteria than it does to believe the Bible account of History and Jesus' Word.
Modern science, and man made religion cannot stand to scrutiny, Jesus' Words can.
The Bible can.
@@lozferris1719 _How do they know this?_ Because science has been investigating and testing the idea for over 160 years. At last count there were over 3 million published scientific papers documenting all aspects of evolution and evolutionary theory.
@@itsamystery5279 160 years is not a very long time; people have been studying what the Bible says for longer. They could study it for thousands of years and still be wrong; couldn't they? Also the amount of paperwork doesn't make it right either. It's not like they were writing things as they were observing things actually evolving. They're just using their imagination to fill in the gaps of their knowledge. Remember, there are unlimited ways to be wrong and only one way to be right; there is only one truth; wouldn't you agree?
The problem is that intelligence can emulate nature but nature cannot emulate intelligence, meaning that even if our intelligence can create the origin of life, there still looms the question of if nature could do it without that aid of intelligence? Even if we are studying something that we absolutely know requires an intelligence, there is still the matter of understanding how that intelligence worked out the design. If an airplane was taken back in time before the invention of airplanes, scientists would still wonder the principles an intelligence used to create a flying machine. In the case of the origin of life, there is still plenty of room to suspect natural causes and nothing definitive to know a required intelligence is necessary. This leaves us at we don't know. Maybe it's natural maybe it's intelligence. The objection is when theists assume God's role on the things we don't or can't know.
No, the objection is when atheist inquiry refuses to acknowledge the possibility of a Creator and prevent or hinder scientific inquiry because of presuppositions encumbered by evolution dogma such as deep time.
@@alantasman8273 If you desire the conclusion that your particular God exists I can understand your skepticism towards atheist scientists. That could even be a real problem if all scientists were atheists. However there are scientists who do believe a Creator exists and that our existence requires an Intelligent agent to be involved, yet the case they make for a Creator using their perspective of science shares the same kind of bias you suspect atheist scientists of having. True science works regardless of belief or lack of belief and we don't have that kind of science for a Creator yet. If we did, far more of us would be theists of some kind or at least able to offer advanced alien intelligence if we could ever make a case that intelligence is indeed required for our existence.
@@scottguitar8168 Bias is always there. The question is does a groups bias prevent real scientific inquiry from taking place. For instance, soft dinosaur tissues containing blood vessels, blood cells, collagen and even partial DNA have been found at dig sites on six continents. Over 120 peer reviewed papers have been written on this. These tissues according to Bio-chemists could not possibly be 65+ million years old. Yet a generation after this discovery..the textbooks...geology, paleontology, biology etc continue to teach that dinosaurs lived 65+ million years ago ignoring the evidence to protect the deep time narrative.
@@scottguitar8168 Atheists certainly have a bias toward naturalism. If it is within their power to prevent research with a bias toward creationism they will. This is not even debatable. Watch the movie "Expelled" as just one example. Good scientists lose their jobs for daring to divulge evidence which goes against atheistic bias. This goes against what scientific research is supposed to be about ...but it is a fact in academia today.
Evolution = From Adam to us modern cavemen.
@@bingobango9932 playing Modern Warfare (that keeps getting updated and brand new patches!! 😂🤣)
How do you explain all the skeletons of middle stages between modern humans and apes?
#devolution
@@Lilliathi easy, they're either 100% Ape or they're 100% humans with skeletal pathologies.
@@Lilliathihello, skeletons found in “middle stages” can be explained by the fact that biblical scripture tells us humans lived far longer lives than us in the current age.
That longer life accounts for the bone difference.
Hope that helps. The idea that those skeletons were middle stage humans.. is a theory. It is someone idea. I prefer to trust God word rather than human ideas.
You can grow your faith!
Faith is built by read or listening to the Bible! I listen to the Bible on UA-cam NIV.
Dr Tour is clueless. Professor Dave is right. LMAO.
The scientific dinner was a disaster for him. Tour claims there is a conspiracy against him by his fellow scientists.
Not educated R U. There is not a single paper or experiment in abiogenesis research that could happen in nature without humans forcing it to happen. 30 years and nothing. Zero. I suggest you get an education before running your mouth.
@@EdGein542 NoT a single paper? There are hundreds of thousands of papers and books on abiogenesis research. How many have you read? YOU should get a clue before you write your nonsense. An experiment is obviously run and designed by humans. How else do you do experiments?
@@EdGein542 "Not educated R U." I am pretty sure I have a higher and better education than you.
"There is not a single paper or experiment in abiogenesis research " Are you for real?
Your head got stuck in the sand and you are screaming "la la la". Synthetic life has been created in a lab before. Back in 2010, scientists successfully created a brand-new bacteria by injecting a computer-designed genome into an existing cell, which was then able to replicate itself. A few years later, another team built artificial, self-assembling cell membranes, which could act like the "hardware" to house an artificial genome. More recently, researchers developed a semi-synthetic organism with extra genetic information in its DNA.
@@LGpi314 When you get your PhD in chemistry then and only then is your comment relevant. Dum dum.
@edgein8632 do you have PhD in anything? LMAO
Was telling lads at work today how evolution is a load of rubbish, how they are religious with the most bonkers religion.
kiss that job goodbye lol. kidding I hope. TC
What did the rest of the Kmart greeters say?
That's a conversation I want to hear
The idea of evolution is sound. The current models of how evolution works are inadequate.
@@mysotiras21 Then come up with something better and collect your Noble Prize.
Thanks!
You’re so welcome!
Explanations based on probability become increasingly teleological as they grow in complexity
@VFA666I don’t know anything about that, but I don’t often talk to straw men or red herrings
@VFA666 because your response to my comments addressed a completely different argument that I did not raise, and introduced two personalities that I gave no mention of.
If he cant even debate an actual scientist idk what the point of talking to us laymen is.
Didnt do a very good job the last few times, shouldnt be that hard if its so obvious
He's never been offered a debate by a scientist. Only a UA-camr.
@Roescoe prof Dave is literally a professor of Chem and bio. I'm entirely on Dr. James' side of the argument, but hes incredibly bad faith.
It's very blatant to anyone who debates internally, but most people are blind to these sort of things.
*to give him benefit of doubt, he may just be arrogant and terribly bad at communication.. id prefer that over being bad faith
@@QuixEnd "iterally a professor of Chem and bio" That's not a scientist.
"but hes incredibly bad faith" he's incredibly charitable. Show me one instance of bad faith.
@Roescoe it's very obvious to anyone with maturity on the issue. But you aren't asking in earnest either. nothing i say will be sufficient for you, youve already made up your mind about everything. Until you're genuinely open to other opinions you'll _need_ to just be right about everything and blind to everything else
😂😂Nice comedy Darwin is correct
Children use emojis. Children are not educated. Children should be quiet
@@EdGein542 DummyDumbs use words like "sweetie"
Your indoctrination is not an education.
I hope that you all realize that multiple times here James literally admitted that evolution is real and true.
Correct - that’s not what he’s arguing. His argument has nothing to do with evolution
@@Absinthe1923 yeah but a lot of the listeners don't believe evolution is real, true, or even science, I'm stating this for them to see.
Who’s Frank?
@@sinclairj7492 my bad I meant James, all these apologist sound alike. I fixed the name.
Evolution is not real numbskull.
This is a great talk. I’d love to see the information he is communicating visually. I think it could add an additional layer of understanding! You know those animated videos with the narration over top? Just a thought. Thanks so much for the video!
Dr Tour is wrong. Miller-Urey used low voltages, not high voltage
What difference does it make?
@@s.unossononly point he could contest i guess
One of Tour's gripes about OOL research is OOL researchers use materials purchased from science supply houses instead of digging up all the raw materials themselves. 🙄 That's how stupid and petty some of Tour's attacks on science are.
@@Transmutathan I suppose you think since science hasn't built an entire star in the lab that means stars were POOFED into existence by the Magic Space Genie. 😄😄😄
Shouldnt they be able to have all those materials arise out of a primordial soup?
@@Bradawick Not when they're studying basic principles.
@@itsamystery5279 that logic does not follow.
How did a prebiotic Earth obtain purified chemicals, gases, water , etc., is the point.
How did a prebiotic Earth isolate the chemicals from various compounds and solutions?
How did a prebiotic Earth obtain the precise amount needed of anything at the molecular level?
How did a prebiotic Earth know at what precise moment to mix in these purified chemicals in the proper sequence?
Where was the pristine Lab located on a prebiotic Earth?
Where did the intelligence to conduct this process come from?
You think that if you go to the Deli and buy some turkey meat, stuff in in a pot with some feathers and water, then wait a gazillion years that a living Turkey will pop out?
No one is trying to cancel James Tour. There are many legitimate criticisms of what this man says. Apologists seem to have no issue lying if it's for the cause.
Dave Fahrina trys to
@@Readthefineprint221 Professor Dave exposes Tour with facts. That isn't cancelling someone..... 🤦♂
@@markh1011 Dave? - the x-drummer?
You seem to have no issue lying if it's for the cause.
@@MutsPub ...ah the desperation of deflecting to something about him playing an instrument.... lol..
@@markh1011 Dave was fired from teaching because Dave lied about his credentials and became a drummer in a loser band! Stop eating the lemming chow!
Other scientists don't engage with Tour on Abiogenesis because he always argues why it can't be done. All he does is argue about the problems and attack any research being done rather than contribute in a positive way. Who would want to engage with someone with that sort of attitude?
The truth is research is still ongoing and about six hypotheses have been so far proposed, and no one can say with any certainity which one ocurred, or whether it was something else entirely.
Just because we don't know, does not in any way suggest a god did it.
They also don't engage with him because all he does is post hit-piece videos and never publishes his critiques in actual science journals. It's the same reason NASA ignores the Flerfers.
@@sciencerules2825 True, by ignoring him they don't give him the attention he craves.
@@mirandahotspring4019 Tour is just Stephen Meyer with an actual science education.
@@sciencerules2825 Albeit in nano technology.
@@sciencerules2825 You mean Dr. Stephen Meyers PhD?
46:00 really confused and unintelligible.... What is happening here? They will attack you, not because you lie, but because you say the Truth.
Dr. Tour, happy to hear your salvation story. I had a similar experience and then some. How can we deny the truth after that?
This man is not a renowned scientist 😂😅😂😅
It's the usual creationist scam to call any religious scientist who offers an opinion supporting creationism *WORLD RENOWNED!!* 😄 Creationists only understand argument from authority.
Your renowned scientists are all clowns giving themselves Nobel prizes for the more clownish theory presented anyway
@@CaptainFantastic222 can you elaborate?
@@KrazyKratosFan within the scientific community this man is considered a joke
@@CaptainFantastic222shoot the messenger! Nice tactic
theories are illusions we call "science"
So you don’t know what a scientific theory is got it
Agreed 💯💯💯
@@therick363 so you don't know that a scientific theory can be proven wrong. got it.
@@gk10101 I do know they can be proven wrong. But your opening post comes off like you think theories are just wild speculation with no evidence. If I got it wrong then I suggest making it clearer what you mean.
Not to mention when you say “science”….makes us wonder
@VFA666 this one thing I'm pretty sure of, science will look nothing like it does now, in another 50 or 100 years. I wouldn't be surprised if someone stumbles onto a better theory at some point.
If you can disprove evolution publish your findings and go claim your Nobel price 😂🤡
He won’t.
This isn’t even about evolution.
@@DM-dk7jsdid you watch the video?
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdomit’s crazy cause Dr Tour and yourself literally address this in the video. So many disparaging comments from people who didn’t watch
Who cares about your Nobel prizes😂
Thank you.
😂😂😂😂. This guy !! Oh. That’s a low bar to reach ..
Tour claiming he's not arguing God-Of-The-Gaps is like tRump claiming he's never told a lie. 😅😅😂😂
No similarity at all. Scientism is simply science-of-the-gaps. There are many questions that the scientific method cannot answer, yet adherents are sure that science will answer these questions "someday".
@@mysotiras21 So? If science knew all the answers it would stop searching. That doesn't mean Tour's GAWDDIDIT! wins by default.
@@itsamystery5279how did something come from nothing?
@@Absinthe1923who said from nothing?
@@Absinthe1923There was always something.
James has that, trapped in a room and tormented by atheists for a decade type energy. Which obviously never happened. Yet he comes off severely abused.
He also has a huge Napoleon persecution complex.
@@itsamystery5279 Interesting, where'd you get your degree in psychoanalyzing?
OOL scientists could have just answered Dr. Tours questions about their work ...real life scientific inquiry works this way...but instead they responded with ad holmium attacks and character assassination.....which speaks volumes about the credibility of their work. Thankfully, Dr. Tour did the work that gullible sycophants are unwilling to do.
"now they're trying to cancel him" This is funny. You forget to say a conspiracy against the presup pseudo-scientist. Even his fellows do not want to do anything with him. He is a disgrace for science.
Seriously?
Dr. Tour has 1,000 peer reviewed science publications.
Nuff said.
@@MutsPub "Dr. Tour has 1,000 peer reviewed science publications." Show is the list. You are lying.
You are full of bullcrap, just like your idol Tour.
Tour is a pseudo-scientist that the whole scientific community rejects. no one wants to work with Tour and he claims that is a conspiracy against him.
Grow up, pre-sup.
@@MutsPub I don't know where you got 1000 but Dr. James Tour is a chemist with over 590 research publications, primarily in chemistry, materials science, and nanotechnology. However, his work has focused largely on synthetic organic chemistry, nanotechnology, and materials science rather than biology, biochemistry, or the origin of life.
Do you know why we have different studies in science and people spend their entire careers in specific fields?
Did you know that even Dr. Tour recognizes that Dave's online videos help his students to pass Dr. Tour classes?
Nobody from Dr Tour faculty wants to work with him because he is bashing other scientists without any evidence. He calls them clueless; he is discouraging his students from going into Origin of Life research field just because.
@LGpi314 People who worked with him in his published papers are speaking up against him. He also plagiarizes. The fact that he has tenure at his Rice university gives him some security. He was also exposed at a "debate" brought on by Lee Cronin the same guy he quotes to prove his theory. So 🤷♀️
@@catsclub12566 I know. I watched the presentation Dr. Lee Cronin did at the Harvard Cambridge Faculty dinner and looked at Tour's face and everyone laughing at him.
That was hilarious.
I was blown away with that also when Jesus said
"If you look at a woman with lust you have already committed adultery with her in your heart"
Wow that is deep
It's very deep. Jesus said that, I encourage you to go look at what else he says
Thought police cult control nonsense. Thinking something isn't on the same level as doing something. It's just stated to guilt you.
@@nitsujism it's not referring to thoughts. It's an action to look at a woman and actually lust after. That's why porn is so damaging. It's an action to look at them and pleasure yourself to them. Especially if you have a spouse. We aren't judged on our thoughts unless we are taking an action on them.
@@thadofalltrades Thoughts are not an action. Me thinking about punching you isn't an action. Me actually punching you is.
The heart of worship is sacrifice. Synagogues were for Bible study, but worship was at the Temple alone. The devil will let you have a version of the Bible if he can keep you from receiving Jesus in Holy Eucharist.
Dr. Tour is scared of saying "idk". His favorite cope is to say god is responsible for everything we don't know.
Actually, you are mistaken. Those determined to misunderstand, like you, will.😊
@@InfoArtistJKyeah what video are these people watching?
Dr Tour literally says “I don’t know where the first cell came from and no one can give me an answer”
Kind of curious how many people didn’t watch but feel compelled to comment. I wonder what it is inside of them that drives them to trash about when God and Jesus are talked about
@@Absinthe1923 We know what is NOT inside of them. They chose to have blinders on and be anti-logic.
@@InfoArtistJK ahh a Calvinist I see?
Remember bud, if I die an atheist, it's because of what god didn't do 😘
@@Bilbo383God loves you.