he made some pov tiktok’s that blew up where he was like “play this audio if you’re in a bad situation to seem like you have a crazy bf” and he would say like i’m back from jail, i just got out of the psych ward in this really deep growly (but funny) voice
I don't think Tara Yummy is generally a BAD person but she does choose herself to hang out with weird people and she does infantlize herself because of her height which is WEIRD considering her audience is mainly minors, Hope this helps!
@@sukisukidaisuki7752mainly bc it is showing her younger audience that, that behavior is okay but she does other things as well as hate on other girls and I feel bad for her at times bc she does not stand up for herself when Zack makes pedo jokes about her which goes back to her younger audience thinking this is okay
the only yt couples that last are either "one has a normal job and rarely appears in videos" or "they kept the relationship secret-ish until it was serious and even then its still private and never the primary force of content" theres for sure something that creates a good couple within understanding the barriers needed between love and work
Idk look at SmallishBeans and LDShadowLady, not a secret relationship, not a secret marriage and they are doing good, so K guess it depends on the couple
@@ravefritz2037 I think part of it is also their content and fan base. If your content is personal enough that viewers can easily establish a parasocial relationship, they'll overstep boundaries, especially if you feature your relationship a lot in videos. Lizzie and Joel don't talk about their personal lives that often, or not nearly enough for viewers to feel entitled to knowing about their relationship.
A great example is Stephanie Soo and her husband because they’re private enough that we don’t know his face but he’s always in the background of videos and you can tell they truly love each other. Safiya and Tylar are also a great example of content creator and supportive significant other that helps in videos
My thing with Johnnie and his hate is so many people say that Johnnie is whinny and all he does is complain which is kinda crazy to me because Johnnie’s content Is about being open about his mental health and people saying he’s a poser is crazy to me because he was a blue print for being Emo back in the day
And the bullying, he literally gets hate for being to “needy” when the dude has a history of mental illnesses and trauma, the poor dude doesn’t deserve that
Same because people also have been complaining about how he makes those “whiny” videos but then say that he’s so much more depressed now (which is not true) even though he doesn’t even make those videos as much anymore
bro I swear, it really do be the ppl who spend their own time nonstop complaining who say this shit tho. like he is living his own life, YALL R THE ONES COMPLAINING LOL
it’s bad to be in your mid 20s and dating an 18-year-old but personally I feel like what makes it worse it is you knew this kid since they were 14 and then as soon as they turn 18, that’s when you start dating them it just makes it weird
Not only knew them as a 14yo, but also LIVED AT THEIR HOUSE at the time and became part of the family. That makes the situation 100x weirder to me, ngl
@@Choosetoonebro what r u yapping abt. Why would a fvcking 24 be involved with something who just graduated high school romantically? That’s very concerning and just because it’s technically “legal” doesn’t mean it’s ok and it’s gross to even defend that
@@RosieForever both adults dawg. that difference is not insane. most would not but it is fine. gross would be 13, 15 or some shit. most people know the difference but it is legal for a reason. what are you yapping about? people are made adults at 18 for a reason, also 16 is the school leaving age here. it is what it is. you have an issue with adults making decisions like adults do speak to the government to raise the adult age to 20 or something. don't talk to me about it.
@@Choosetoone do u even hear yourself? Like I literally said just bc it’s legal doesn’t make it ok, the girl in the video literally explain why something such as someone in their mid 20s hooking up with someone who literally just graduated high school shouldn’t be normal. Like is it that hard to understand why that’s very concerning? When u turn 18, you don’t automatically think like an adult just because u turn the legal age. That’s literally why it’s concerning for a grown ass adult to be romantically involved with pretty much someone who still has a mindset of a minor. That’s what’s leads power imbalance that be very dangerous for the 18 year old. It’s just wild of how ur literally defending this shit when it’s not that hard to understand why it’s bad. In simple terms, it doesn’t make sense for someone who has pretty much no experience with being an “legal” adult getting together with someone who already had many years of being one and why would any normal 24 year old want to be in a relationship like that where they will have to wait years before the person can legally drink and will be closer to their 30s when the other person finally becomes 21
@@okkelly6207 apartments/homes in LA cost above the average price of apartments/homes across America, and people are getting paid less in LA to top it off
Well technically it’s really hard to be poor living in LA but relative to the city it’s easy to be poor. Such as you have to make 110k to live comfortably in LA today. That is rich. But relative to LA thats middle class, get what I mean? Anyways no hate, have a good day ❤
I used to know him (not on a personal level) a little bit before my digital escape was formed and when bryan stars used to only be known for interviewing emo and metalcore bands that would play for warped tour. 💀
@_alysia omg yesss I had honestly forgotten, I was always randomly seeing his videos since Bryan, I didn't watch it, it's only one day I gave in and I actually enjoy their videos so much??? It was such a weird surreal feeling because I thought Johnnie was the one that interviewed celebs and warped from my teen memory lmaoo
20:59 this is exactly what I've wanted to express about age gap relationships - some people act as if a switch is flipped when a person hits 18, and that it immediately dissolves all the boundaries built into dating anyone even a day younger. That 25-year-old is still half your age, Leo, and it's STILL CREEPY
Yess like for example in my country the age of consent is 15, and that’s the only cut off so as soon as you turn that age you can LEGALLY be with anyone but then morality also comes into play and it’s disgusting and shocking that some people just don’t have that moral compass
Yeah some age gaps are acceptable however. I don't see a problem with 18 and 20 or 18 and 22 but anything over that becomes overkill area. 25 and 32 are more acceptable than 18 and 25. Feel like there's nuances tbh.
@DapperRat-d4w Yeah, no, I'm aware. Their relationship was morally horrible and ethically questionable, Zach's and Indiana's for sure was not it. I primarily meant 18 yos meeting someone as 18 who are like 2-4 years older like 20 or 22. Or someone 25 being with someone 32 is different, often more acceptable than someone 18 being with someone 25. Because of maturity levels and whatnot. There's just nuance to it rather than "all age gaps are bad"
So many people tell u to go to therapy or that u are crazy just for saying it’s not right to date an 18-year old, Meanwhile Leo and Tobey don’t see a problem at all
i met johnnie at warped tour in 2014 and he was genuinely very nice. i actually met him twice, once at the meet and greet and the second time at the end of the day i was walking to the parking lot and saw him walking inside the venue through a fence (it was an outdoor venue idk its hard to explain) me and my friend called out to him but he didnt hear us and we were like :( and then like two minutes later he walked up like "i thought i heard you guys try to say hi but i wasnt sure so i came to say hi just in case" it was very nice of him . i know hundredsss of teenage girls met him on warped tour that summer lol. i havent followed him since then but i rlly hope hes doing well ! also love ur vids, the way you speak is so easy to listen to like i understand every word u say u speak so fluidly like yes im listening! tell me more!
wait that's so sweet!! and as someone who has recently been following him( since 2018, dk if it still counts as recent), he's been doing kind of well, ever since he got more popular **again** on TikTok this time, he's also been getting more hate, so its been kinda hard for him to deal with it!
i got to very briefly meet him at warped tour one summer, he signed my braclet that they handed out cause it was cloth and i went on my happy way cause a sleeping with sirens set was about to start. being that it was a massive crowd and i was about 13 i always thought it was really nice that he took even just that moment cause im sure he got that alllllllll day and i felt bad disturbing his day.
@@globalgeode4363 hes a really nice guy in my opinion, doesn't deserve any of the hate he gets, I have never met him irl but have interacted online with him multiple times
A 24yo dating an 18yo? Gross. A 24yo dating an 18yo they knew as a CHILD? Foul. Edit: this is not about Tara and Jake!! Watch the entire video please :)
Nothing wrong with an 18 dating a 24. They are both adults. However it sounded like they were a thing before hand and said they were dating when she turned 18. Convenient. But yeah, adults can date whoever.
@@Choosetoone 18 is barely a legal adult, there's no switch that flips as soon as you hit 18. There's so much maturity difference and life experience in those years
@@g4ydor445 not to 24 dude. legal adult is a legal adult, thats the parametre, some people are more expierenced with life and mature at 16 then some 28 year olds, we go by legal. i mean most places for consent in america is 16 and adult 18. we go by legal because everones opinion is subjective. there is not a grand difference from 18 to early 20s usually.
here's my personal take i started watching tara when she went viral i liked her and i don't think she's a horrible person or wtv but the people she surrounds herself with are absolutely HORRIBLE! especially zach... in conclusion the people who you surround/befriend are also a reflection of you and who knows what her persona is irl🤷♀️
And people see a character someone portrays online as a horrible person of they don't like them, and can't comprehend they don't know these people in person
seeing johnnie in youtuber drama like this is WILD bc he’ll always be lil emo youtuber johnnie to me. i was a ginormous my digital escape fan and was there for that whole thing so seeing all this is like *woah*
@@armin2changsbut there not tho your just older and that don't mean I ok being a pedo I'm just saying I hate when ppl who are 26 or 28 trying to call ppl like us babies 😒 clown behavior fr🤡
my gripe with the "tara yummy theme song" is that it is yummy by ayesha erotica, and tara has put ayesha's lyrics on merch and other things when it doesn't belong to her. i'm guessing most people who hear that song assume it's tara's when its not, and ayesha barely gets recognised or paid for her music despite so much of her discography going viral every few weeks. she doesn't even earn money from it as other people try to reupload and copyright her music constantly. idk id just feel upset if my song was known as someone elses theme song, and they were profiting from it while i was getting nothing for it her other song was a feature in 6arelyhuman's remix of faster n harder and tbh i thought her lyrics were lazy and quite uninspired. part of them were taking from 6arely's existing lyrics, and her flow was verrry similar to ayesha's (particularly in "for the girls") and her verse was only 30 seconds
But we all (or most people) know it's Ayesha Erotica, its just "Tara's song" because of her username and the fact that she loves Ayesha's music. They even met and were partying together. Also the remix with 6arelyhuman was just for fun I heard because thats her music taste and they know each other, so I wouldn't take these bits so seriously 🤷🏽♀️
@@Laura-xh4yr you’d be surprised how many people don’t know the artist, or assume it’s tara’s because it’s so often called the tara yummy song. as much as i wish everyone knew who ayesha is and she got recognised for all her music, people don’t really know who she is
@@k1kitty_ i mean yeah, but it's mostly because tiktok is full of brainrot kids who don't have the capacity to lift a finger and type the name of the song and get to know who made it lol, i think this is not the biggest issue with tara, and the fact that she met ayesha and partied with her adds to that
for the first part, tara and ayesha have hung out so she probably has permission from ayesha to have it as her "theme song" and to put it on merch, but i get what youre saying. for the second part, she def focused on making it catchy, which made it just lazy overall
Zach calling Tara a pdf file's dream after he dated a girl he met when she was 14 is crazy 🤢 Also I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds him insufferable. EDIT: y'all I'm not making any assumptions, I'm allowed to think the whole situation is tasteless, grow up.
That's why I said to myself that he's like Drake he's going to be the new certified pedophile just like Drake. Although Drake is into like little kids like 6 year olds and 7 year olds while Zach is into 14 year olds to like 17 year olds or probably 13 year olds who knows.
It is not pdf that he dated some one when she was 18 and he was 24. An illegal age gap is off 12 years apart the age gap was 6 years apart. There’s no problem with him knowing her since she was 14 that just means that they’ve known each other for a while. It’s not like she was 14 and he was 20 when they started dating
Zach calling tara a pdf files dream while making one of his main bits flirting with her is SO WEIRD. Especially with his past relationship being criticized (rightfully so) for the age gap and fact that he knew her as a child... Like, sir, the joke wasn't funny to begin with, but now it's just straight up *alarming*
@@boing1oingssure but when you look at his dating history (that girl he dated that he knew since she was like 15 and he was in his 20’s and who he dated publicly when she turned 18…) he’s a creep Edit: AND he was living at her house (cause of her mom) when she was 15… so it’s just a really creepy and weird situation
@@boing1oings He jokes about pedophilia, jokes that normalize pedophilia and makes it a light non-serious issue. AND he dated a 18 year old girl, 6 years younger to him, whom he knew since she was 14 and he was 20. The dots are connected already.
i’d like to point out that jake has mentioned he’s diagnosed with autism. a lot of people on the spectrum have hyper fixations on certain topics or objects and those hyper fixations can change rather frequently which is probably why he seemed to be uninterested in that stuff out of nowhere.
imo tht doesn’t excuse him from being critiqued for it. jeffery murdered vulnerable black boys, including a deaf boy, and it was continuously ignored by police bc they didn’t care enough. Black families didn’t receive justice till it was too late but he owns this guys glasses like it’s cool or smth? it’s weird point blank period to flex abt smth that was so devastating for so many ppl😒
@saf_k.33 yeah we aren't excusing it, what he did was TERRIBLE don't think im saying otherwise lol, just what we were saying was an explanation of why he could've had those glasses, yes its still bad either way, but people can't control what the hyperfixate on, and sometimes we take interest in weird/bad things. sorry for any misconceptions!!
@@yeosangoutsold yea that makes sense heavy on its still weird, but i can understand (maybe not him posting abt it) but like idk ig its more so the way he went abt it wasn’t very sensitive 😭but like yea thx 4 clearing it up more!
he got famous by making comedic tiktoks with a fake deep voice where he says „honeyy guess who just escaped the psyche ward“ or „honeyy guess who just got out of jailll“ and many women made tiktoks where they play the video (like a facetimecall) while in a taxi
The idea that exes can’t be friends is so interesting to me. Me and my ex boyfriend broke up after a 3 year relationship and it’s been 3 years since and we are still friends 😭 we only broke up cause we didn’t want to same future. Truly for the best cause I just came out as a lesbian a few months ago 💀
Your experience is an exception to the rule. Typically, attempting a friendship with an ex that you were long term with and when the break up is so fresh, typically doesn’t work.
it just annoys me when they pull the “insecurity” card when someone is uncomfortable dating someone who’s that close to their ex. it’s disrespectful in the least to say “let’s hang out together with this person i banged for a few years and was deeply in love with, but of course those feelings are completely gone and just for you now.” 95% of people would not be okay with that and the remaining 5% probably like open relationships/polyamory
21:04 finally someone said it. Like 18 year olds are still teenagers and there’s barely a maturity difference between a 18 y/o and 17 y/o. The truth is if the age of consent were lower the people in their mid 20s, 30s+ that go after 18 y/os would take advantage of that and go after people even younger. This is true in europe where you have 24 y/o dating 16 y/o for example
@@sofijaa05The body maybe mature but the mind is not our brains aren’t fully mature till around 24-26. The fact that Zack was pretty much a full grown adult and wanting to date someone so young especially one who he lived with when she was 14 Is weird af.
@@sofijaa05 just say you’re a predator because 8 years makes a very big difference when your brain is developing. A 16 year old can never compare to me, you’re weird
@jhvhnbmnbb no, by YOUR logic every straight men is a predator, believe it or not some men are not fucking weirdos who would go for a 16 year old at 25. If u do however... well if the shoe fits
My ex wife met me when I was 18 and she was 28.. when I finally broke it off she tried to say that I manipulated and abused her like she didn’t lie to me about multiple things that I expressed was important, ignored and disregarded my safety when it came to her comfort or her straight up not thinking about it, and her pressuring me to do certain things and when I didn’t she panicked that I wanted to leave her for a man to the point where a therapist had to tell her multiple times like I did that it was probably my medication and dysphoria. Can’t even recognize her as someone I use to love after the things she said to me. Funnily enough, she inadvertently admitted multiple times that she thought of me as a child while making fun of me “trying to be grown” for wanting to divorce her lmao. I’m 22 years old. I left home at 18 and had to help her pay off her debt, get a drivers license, look for an apartment, get a credit card, and start saving money in an account 😭 I was her damn mother at that point. All this to say. Enjoy your 20s. Don’t date people who could have been your college aged baby sitter, 8/10 times they’re secretly weird af. Also don’t ignore the red flags.
I think the only thing I disagree with is the whole "punk/emo aesthetic" Johnnie does label himself as emo in which is fitting for him, his music is in the emo genre and emo is just a subculture abt the music which he is fitting to. However Jake refers to himself as punk and Punk is a political movement, you literally cannot refer yourself as punk if you're not aligned with the subculture bc it IS a political subculture. Not a fashion look
Dating someone that you knew since they were a child ( and had sibling like relationship with them) is soo wrong and creepy even if you did not gr00med them initially
Not hating, not even in the slightest but murderabilia isn't as weird or "crazy" as people make it seem. People interested in it are more into the true crime/serial killer part. Yes some people are kinda weird and idealize these horrible people but most don't. You know? Maybe you don't. 😅
@@natileamace7138 I understand being fascinated in true crime (I've been interested in it for 10+ years) but collecting "souvenirs" from people who took lives is just disgusting. Can you imagine how you would feel if someone close to you was murdered and people were collecting memorabilia from the killer/selling it for large sums of money? It's in such poor taste imo.
This is how fair "criticism" is. Not like that one girl who claims not to care about them but is in a subreddit full of people who dislike Tara, and made multiple videos on them. Hypocrisy at its finest
Fun fact: Tara already apologized for the tweet she made when she was TWELVE (if I remember correctly she apologized in 2020 but i could be wrong) Plus yall gotta remember it was the early 2000s and she was in middle school, everyone was making diabolical jokes. And she could have picked the term up from the situation she was growing up in. Stop hating on Tara for a tweet she made when she was twelve which is extremely young, grow up. (I don’t mean to hate Amanda, I’m saying this for the people who do flame Tara for this)
Grooming is such an insidious, complex thing, and if your first relationships are toxic like this, it's hard to know what's normal and what's not. I was groomed and even a decade later, I find myself still making excuses for him and new ways to blame myself for wanting love and attention. I think of it like black mould, you can paint over it and pretend it's all fine but at a certain point it seeps through and you start to realise you've been breathing in all these toxic spores for years. I wouldn't be surprised if, in time, that young woman is able to properly reflect and subtract the blame and shame she feels and place it where it belongs, on the shoulders of the person who was an adult at the time.
i'm really glad tara left the podcast... i think she's finally realizing how weird of a person zach is and is starting to distance herself from him. i think she's a really sweet person but i also think she's very gullible and is too nice to a fault which is why she tries to befriend everyone and give them the benefit of doubt. i think that's her only "bad" quality and it's what drives people to dislike her.
tbh idk where i stand w tara, not like it matters since she has a huge following. No matter what is said or what hate she still is huge. I think she just isn’t self aware of what she does sometimes yk? Which i get but like the clip of her interrupting alyssa who was talking about her depression just to talk abt her party was kinda ewwww. Along w not standing up for herself and other women on the podcast when zack says messed up stuff. And especially when she told Jake to get a T tattoo for her and he was very serious and upset about it. I think the entire group has their bad sides (like every average human). I just hope Tara fixes the ppl she surrounds herself w because it takes women back due to how much they get sexualized. The podcast even has a “theme song” for her abt where she ended up last night which is like…tf?? This group is just messy and exhausting tbh
In my opinion I don’t think any of the people in this group should’ve gotten to the level of fame they did. If you compare videos from when Tara was 18 to the present (23) you can see a big difference. What I dislike most about fans or haters thoughts is that they specifically made these people famous and then get angry when they realize they are human. In no way do I stand with what they’ve done but the people critizing them are no saints as well. It’s a messy situation and I really believe they let fame get to their heads. As for Zack I really don’t like the way he acts or the vibes he gives off, it’s like he’s putting humor into twisted thoughts
Jake told his fans in last live that he told tara that he will tatto her name because she's gonna be in his life forever and about alyysaa they were filming drunk episode she was drunk they all drunk after she told alyssa that she didn't hear her and how sorry she was alyssa told her i did,t even remember
@@georgewashingtonsAR it’s fair to not like tara, but people making whole subreddits and videos bashing tara is completely overkill acting as if she’s killed someone. okay maybe she ignored a comment by alyssa, but how does that warrant name calling like “tarayucky” by hundreds of people ? people can dislike tara for her content and personality and keep it to themselves, i don’t think she’s done anything to have mobs bashing her every action. people get way too comfortable bullying online.
@@tinytron completely agree. It’s okay not to like someone, people can just block her and her content. I feel bad bc she is a human being and idk what she must feel seeing how far people go with hating her. It’s okay to criticize people, but the things these ppl are doing are not criticisms.
Omg a few weeks ago i came across this video about Tarayummy but the creator of that video just came across as extremely hateful at times that I couldn't finish watching. Like i had no idea who Tarayummy was prior to that video but i did want to know what the tea was so girl I'm glad i stumbled upon this video.
You watched the Motley Angel video didn’t you?? I watched it too and it was weird, malicious, and honestly more cringe then Tara’s content which isn’t even that cringy
@@Lalaland666-k3x yess it was their video. Like the moment they started calling her tarayucky and teriyaki or whatever was like weird and ofc I didn't watch the whole thing but from the bit that I did watch, some of the criticism seemed more like hate than actual criticism, so even when the did have valid points, the hatred they had for tara just really undermined it for me.
@@Imyourcherryybomb yeah, like you can not like someone for whatever petty reason but it to call people names? And their friends names? What the actual hell dude? She’s also a part of a Reddit hate group about Tara, so yeah it’s a Redditor being bitter
@@Lalaland666-k3x frrrr i keep seeing that creator's videos pop up on my recommended and I haven't watched a full video yet but all the titles and intros just seem very immature and petty 😭 Like 'Tara Yucky' or 'Johnnie Cringebert and Jake Wobble' cmon now
this whole video seems very unbiased compared to the video i’m imagining you’re responding too. i appreciate these videos a lot as i don’t know much about these people and it’s nice to stay up to date in the influencer world. keep up the good work
@@Patty-sp9yzagreed like even if she had a point on something (not frequently tho) the point wouldn’t stand immediately when she calls her “tara yucky” or wtv 💀 like i’m not a fan of her but it’s like she’s taking her personally.
6:04 "i forget what exactly what the group was called but Johnny was in the influencer *scene* " i don't think that pun was intentional but it hit absolutely perfectly lol.
Okay so for some context, I remember watching Johnnie around 2016-2017 when he was in MDE. The drama there was crazyy( I recomend going down the rabbit hole). MDE was a collab channel with seven people, 6 of which ware between the ages of 16-19 I think and one grown ass adult Brian Star. He was 26 I think, also can a career interviewing emo bands before MDE. So I dunno how much I remember but pretty much I think most of them ware living together in an apartment, I'm pretty sure all the money was going to Brian and he was maybe acting like their manager or something. They had a blow out fight I think , people started leaving and at the end it was Brian, Johnny and his then gf Alex on a couch explaining everything. At some point Brian locked everyone out of the yt channel and tried rebranding it with a different group of teens , and the og mde tried making a change on their own but it didn't last long( I think it was just growing up and having different goals). Also fun fact Johnnie was being shipped with one of the other boys named kyle( their ship name was kohnnie) so he's been on the queer baiting grind since day onee. Yeah 2016 emo youtube was fucking crackk.
Johnnie made a whole video on Bryan but took it down I believe. Luckily one of the old members Shannon has her reaction still up and shared her experience
i think its weird to use the phrase "queer baiting" to refer to real life people tbh especially when johnnie and jake have said theyre straight so what are they baiting
@@darklydread honestly just used it as a short way to express influencer who panders to his young female audience by having romantic/intimate behavior with another man even tho it's public they are strait. Dunno what you call that , because yeah maybe it's not queer baiting but it's something for suree. That happened wait too much not to have a specific phrase 🤣
@@sarakhan-pk7ko are fans that she had went in vacation with she didn’t say there names nor showed them since most of them aren’t influencers but she stays in contact with them still
Yeah regardless that Zach guy is 1000000000% a groomer. Idgaf if Indiana doesn’t think she was there’s no reason someone who would call someone their sister and knew them consistently from age 14-18. Usually the younger person thinks they’re pursuing the older person and “instigated” it but the adult should ACT LIKE AN ADULT AND SAY NO. As a victim of CSA her story isn’t taking away from others stories. The people who do that are abusers.
Yup, his defenders need to understand that just because she doesn't know she got groomed doesn't mean she didn't get groomed. She could be in denial, as well.
@@Marthy_666 You are defending that clown under multiple comments. I won't be surprised if you're as pathetic of a man as him. Hope no child and girl comes close to you.
26:20 as an alternative person, labels can matter. Alternative culture is not looks based, it’s about politics and music. Being anti capitalist, anti discrimination, feminist, so on and so forth. You cant be punk/goth and buy fast fashion. You cant be capitalist and punk- which brings be to my point. Jake has an anarchy tattoo and own a tesla, which is a slap in the face for punks, goths, metalheads and alt people in general. To me, Jake and Johnnie kinda use alternative culture (especially Emo and punk) as a costume. They “look” alt, but they aren’t really alt.
I really love your drama recaps 'cause you're one of the only people I've watched who manage to hold people accountable while simultaneously being realistic and not criticize these people for being human
@@zandikhetwayo7444basically the guy who decided to make MDE (Bryan Star) made interview videos of popular band members at warp tour and Johnnie was a HUGE fan of him at the time and underage and Bryan hired him to help him out on stuff from there he basically started to take advantage of Johnnie being young and not knowing anything and formed MDE and forced Johnnie and other members to do stuff they didn’t want to consent to but since they were all really young and Bryan was much older and had a hold of their income they did everything he asked… a lot of the MDE videos are now just sad to watch knowing they were all basically being abused
i usually get bored when im watching a video of a podcast like this, but your videos are so inticing and i really love your approach to all the drama. it is very entertaining, keep doing what you do!!
@@Marthy_666 Dark humour is humour only when YOU joke about something that happened to YOU. If you joke about something that happened to sb else then it's not humour.
IN MY OPINION, Tara getting hated on is for the most part not deserved, the argument of her interrupting Alyssa while she was talking about her struggles with depression was during a drunk episode. they had since talked about it on the podcast and neither held ill will. Tara blew up quickly and has been put in the spotlight, it wasn't an easy thing. Tara also recognizes that she can interrupt and tries not to. And people who harrassed her for things she did as a little kid are the ones who need to grow up. (of course, i do not know her personally but it's just a little grievance of mine 💗)
I don’t watch her but I did see the full clip where Alyssa was being made fun of for her looks and Tara cut in saying “I’ve never been made fun of for the way I look.” Was that a drunk episode? Ik they’re friends and all but that comment was tone deaf and nastyy 😭
Cheating in a relationship with people that saw each other as sibling where one was barely a teenager is the LEAST harmful thing that could have come from that. Good for her!
she was literally so biased and only made the video already hating them and then goes on to say that she doesn't even care about their existence when she is literally a part of a subreddit hating on them and made multiple videos just pointing out what she dislikes about them. Such a hypocrite
@@buttersaltedpopcorn yess, I can so easily overlook the "fair points" she made because I knew it was only coming from a place of hatred and that's just straight up not fair.
@@meaniepanini3198in a video discussing his behaviour, he had a 13 year old in his podcast and really couldn’t contain himself. He had to keep making her uncomfortable by asking if she had a boyfriend and making sexual jokes. It’s just bewildering how he hasn’t been criticised until now and even now, a large number of people still don’t know about his behaviour.
tara did leave the dropouts podcast. also, the tarayummy mindset sound was something jake and johnnie told her to say as a joke, and people started taking it really seriously.
(Not a punk girlie) I noticed that a lot of criticism towards how they dress, mainly Jake, is that it isn’t just an aesthetic as you said. Punk is a political movement and Jake, who says he doesn’t identify with punk, literally has a political punk tattoo and (from what I’ve heard) supports fast fashion, which is very against the ideologies of punk.
it’s insane the sheer amount of age gap relationships start with the “sibling bond” excuse before the younger one turns 18. like yes that excuse is so believable when every single one of these couples uses it …
I stopped watching them when in Jake's cruise vlog, Tara was tispy or drunk and started doing grabby hands and going "Uppies uppies uppies! Johnnie will you carry me to dinner!" It was too weird for me to keep watching the video. I watched Tara's cruise vlog, and she was much more chill. I think she was playing it up for his vlog, but it's still really weird! Another thing that made me stop watching, is even though I like their videos trying weird stuff, I grew up pretty poor. Target is expensive to me. Them spending on so much food and random things they don't need other for the videos makes me kinda mad when they don't need to! It's wasteful.
i really loved your video and the way you highlighted their faults as well as their helpness on the internet. In the end we're all humans with both good and bad and the best we can do is be kind to each other :)
Did you y’all see the clip of jake getting mad at Tara because she wanted jake to get a tattoo for her and jake said no then Tara started acting like a baby and pouting and shit. Jake literally said being friends with her is hard because he has trouble meeting potential partners and moving on.
You have GOT to watch Motley Angles video on Tara, it’s unhinged and not in the fun way in the “wait why is this a problem why are you being mean?” Kind of way
She's made two separate videos on Tara just to essentially call her a "pick-me"? Why waste so much time and energy when she could just say she doesn't like Tara and move on lmao
@@Kxtie_A yeah and calling people names like "tara yucky" and other things she called jake and johnnie thats just super childish 💀 also shes on snark reddit... its pathetic
thank you for doing your research about them properly! I'm a fan of them and people just seem to hate everything they do recently so it's refreshing to see someone with compassion making a video on them :)
@DapperRat-d4w she tweeted that when she was twelve and also apologized for it like what do you want her to do? kids are easily influenced like her environment as a child should be blamed for her to say something like that not her. She also didn't ignore palestine she did donate and adopt a family but I do agree that she should've posted more on social media about it and definitely shouldn't have done the collaboration with marc jacobs (but I want to defend her on that one too because I didn't even know that marc jacobs is on the boycott list and I never saw anyone talk about them being on the boycott list before the tara drama)
Together with that painting it's really creepy and just... Why, there's a line between being edgy and immoral and I think wanting to own stuff of a person who hurt many and was deranged actually just means sb has no morals.
i find it incredibly unsettling that he went on to date a girl he knew at 14 years old while he was 21, and then frequently makes pedo jokes. i’m tired of people thinking that “jokes” get a pass…i will not make accusations but simply state my opinion on the information presented and yeah that’s wack as hell and it’s not uncommon for fr pedos to make jokes like that either. prominent recent example: danny masterson. after news of his sentencing broke out, interviews resurfaced where he had frequently made pedo jokes, many directed at mila
seriously dude. i just watched a video before this and i felt so ticked off when they said they understand johnnie's depression but then proceed to call him "whiny". it's soooo ???
The fact they started dating when she turned 18 after he knew her for 3 years of her being a minor….Like he absolutely had disgusting and perverse thoughts about her when she was a child. And the way he acted towards the 13 year old on the podcast is absolutely disgusting as well. People need to stop infantilizing and defending Tara considering this is the type of person she hangs out with. I’m only pointing Tara out here because people already think Zach is gross but go on to defend Tara because they’re a fan of her. Like go look at who you’re defending. Somebody who hangs around groomers and doesn’t care
A lot of people recently dug up Indiana and Zach's old IG posts/comments and I've never been more disgusted in my entire life. And thank you for pointing out that he literally actively saw her at 14 yrs old when he was 20/21, and still decided to publicly date her as soon as she turned 18. That tells me everything I need to know about Zach Justice. Not to mention how he recently asked Joe Gatto which one of his 50 yr old friends would he let a "hypothetically older daughter" date (mind you he does have a daughter but she's currently 9 yrs old).
when i used to work in pharmacy, one of my bosses i used to have, who was a pharmacist, married the girl he used to babysit..... he was like 16+ and she was a younger child, i don't even think she was a teen, who also btw grew up to become a pharmacist (yes, they both were pharmacists where i worked, so i worked with both of them, the conflict of interest is a long story). he literally said that he went from chasing her around the house while playing with her and thinking she was adorable to marrying her (and he said that with a straight face)... he also openly admitted to me that he's a sociopath and doesn't give a sh!t about others and is only about making money, but he had a very kind, friendly, caring charm. zach justice and his face gives me very much that, and i've been saying it and i can't believe others aren't alarmed by and calling it out either... he can't even make any facial expressions, his facial structure resembles that of concerning people, just like my former boss, and he's allegedly this "sweetheart" off camera, when "not in character" (his "jokes" expose his internal racism, s3xism, misogyny, p word, etc. all just deplorably masked as "humor." offensive things cannot be called jokes, it's just straight up offensive and harmful. those are your hidden thoughts)..... whoever crosses his path is a victim, for sure. he has everyone around him charmed. and btw you do not have to be a child to be gr00med, it can happen to you at any age if there is any power dynamic present, including an age gap. and zach is consistently not denying the idea of him and tara potentially dating later in life. he won't drop it, in fact, he keeps entertaining it indirectly. tara is still too young. zach is almost 30. her brain isn't even fully developed yet and this mf has the audacity to ask her invasive, degrading questions like "who's bed did you wake up in today" and make a public spectacle out of it among all the other sh!t he says at the expense of women... it really is giving shane dawson's podcast. people will only talk about things when actual scandals and incidents happen and be like oh we knew it he was a creep, but people are over here shipping sh!t and adoring him and saying he's funny. can we please just see things and people for what they are and what they show themselves to be and not make exceptions for them?? when will people learn? how many more harmful scandals will it take?? oh i forgot to mention, i heard the pharmacists got divorced like about a year maybe even less after i left, and he like moved to another state, left her for some vegas showgirl to go ride in sports cars with her and go to horse tracks. she (the pharmacist) was a b!tch tho, but didn't matter to him maybe she wasn't to him........ white people are sum else to me. y'all weird as he11..
I feel like in general johnnie is mostly overlooked when his lore and backstory is actually the craziest thing, like hello?! The gro*ming started so young for him, I can’t even imagine the mental work he had to do to unlearn so much of those bad habits 🤮😖
love you but the constant “i don’t know, i don’t know that name, i don’t like them, im not into that stuff” like?? then why make the video you obviously don’t know enough or care about them so why make the video.
I feel like this video was more of a response to the pick me allegations for Tara. I think a video centered around that specific topic would have even a lot better.
They’re just normal people making videos, people put “influencers” on this pedestal where they’re expected to be perfect, almost every problematic thing they’ve done they’ve addressed it. It’s insane how everyone suddenly hates them now. As a fan of all of them I also do have to admit the fandom is RANK they’re either 10 year olds that think they’re funny or 40 year old women that infantalize them 😭 I made the “ you look like the type of guy to have a green mist following you around “ on Jake’s TikTok and the AMOUNT OF PEOPLE OFFENDED saying stuff like “don’t talk about my man my precious Jake like that” is actually insane.
influencers literally INFLUENCE ppl like they are supposed to be more sensitive to certain topics an shi…u can’t say they’re expected to be perfect when ppl literally hate them bc of the sexist, racists they hang around AND bc they haven’t said shi abt the genocide happening like yea they are expected to do better…so what?
and don’t even get me started on the jeffery dahmer shit..like wtf is wrong w yall y do u defend these ppl i could nvr get it but ur white so thats prolly y😮
i appreciate you making an actual unbiased critique and explanation on this situation. i feel like some people are taking it too far by bashing their personalities.
Yh and one girl is actually hostile by going against Tara‘s parents and nothing happened. Well at least one of her videos got age restricted so small things :)
Unbiased 😂 "I hate Zach now here come all my double standard. Like Tara is into dad's and would totally sleep with someone 35, yet Zach at 28 jokingly flirting with Tara is weird"...I too love Unbiased videos
@@NateDawg920 well i mean unbiased like she’s saying all the reasons why she had drama. she might’ve said her opinions but she doesn’t seem like she’s a fan or a hater of tara
@@NateDawg920 i don’t really care if she doesn’t like zach because this isn’t a video on zach. she is being unbiased on her opinion of tara. also zach has said some horrible things so i understand why she doesn’t like him.
This video is truly refreshing. Obviously every human is biased in some way, but I feel like this was an impressively unbiased and logical take/recap of the situation. Which is def hard to find nowadays.
I wonder if it’s an internalized thing since women unfortunately have been conditioned in American culture to appeal to men so maybe that’s something she has to figure out cause overall I do like Tara but you’re right there is some questionable moments where its pretty obvious she’s appeases the men around her which is honestly a huge bummer to see but I hope she recognizes it soon
I’m sorry, but minimising subcultures into “aesthetics” is so so offensive the alternative scene especially punk has always been about politics, humanities, social cases, non-conformity, anti-consumerism and human rights. sure you can dress anyway you like just because you like it but in Jakes case he has labelled his style as punk but later said that he doesn’t, because actual punk people get mad at it😂
I’m pretty sure that Jake, Johnny and Tara only do it for satire. Like “lmao we are obnoxious.” And some of the stuff might be real like in some moments when Jake stims (he has autism) that might be just him not acting for the camera, but I’m 90% sure that 70% of it as an act or at least not really how they act in public
I usally don't comment this type of videos but I wanted you to know that is so refreshing to see perspective like yours. You don't offend anyone, your reasoning is very logical and mature. Last but not least - you're kind-hearted. Good job beautiful soul :)
i think people that defend zach for dating indiana are willingly forgetting that he knew her since she was 14. if they had met when she was 18 it would still be weird but less problematic but he knew her since she was going through puberty
As someone who met johnnie at warped tour in the late 2010s, it’s so weird to see the “newer” fans like shipping him with people. It’s so fucking weird. Johnnie has been taken advantage of many times in the past so I feel like all that shit makes him uncomfortable. He’s a grown ass adult tryna live his life.
@@Seraphina93 I agree. While I think he enjoys the company of his fan base, I hope he does what’s best for him. I have zero idea what that is as I don’t know him, but I truly hope the best for Johnnie. He’s a really good dude
I agree but at the same time, I feel like he subconsciously enables that behavior from his fans. His fans are young and very impressionable, they lose their shit if anyone criticizes him and Johnnie posts a video about it online just full on sobbing about it. There’s a connection to that is what I’m saying basically and I think he should be the adult in those situations and build boundaries with his own fans, they’re parasocial and baby a full grown man, all while sexualizing him too
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"Carington, that guy that just got back from jail on the psych ward is currently moving in with them-" The way there's no context 😭-
It's just about the audio he made from tiktok
The
"Darlinggg guess who's back from jailll"
@@in_alwaysstays2689 yeah its just funny that’s there’s no context LMAO
he made some pov tiktok’s that blew up where he was like “play this audio if you’re in a bad situation to seem like you have a crazy bf” and he would say like i’m back from jail, i just got out of the psych ward in this really deep growly (but funny) voice
@@starlightt222 it took me like 20mins to realize (I went on Instagram and heard the audio and remembered it was Carrington)
I GASP3D JF WAS SO FUNNY
Danny Gonzalez is my favorite online couple as well
him and drew are so cute together
Danny x Gonzalez are my favorite ship too!!
i love them together
@@emamacitas ?? cant ship him with himself wtf
real
I don't think Tara Yummy is generally a BAD person but she does choose herself to hang out with weird people and she does infantlize herself because of her height which is WEIRD considering her audience is mainly minors, Hope this helps!
Wait I agree that it's weird she infantalizes herself but how does her audience being minors it make it worse?? /gen
@@sukisukidaisuki7752mainly bc it is showing her younger audience that, that behavior is okay but she does other things as well as hate on other girls and I feel bad for her at times bc she does not stand up for herself when Zack makes pedo jokes about her which goes back to her younger audience thinking this is okay
@@SamsieSims0204 ahhh okay thx!
Who you hang out defines who you are in my opinion
@@lc-do5eo same, like not saying she awful but if you can’t see your friends mistakes and blindly support them then your just as bad as them
the only yt couples that last are either "one has a normal job and rarely appears in videos" or "they kept the relationship secret-ish until it was serious and even then its still private and never the primary force of content" theres for sure something that creates a good couple within understanding the barriers needed between love and work
Idk look at SmallishBeans and LDShadowLady, not a secret relationship, not a secret marriage and they are doing good, so K guess it depends on the couple
@@ravefritz2037 I think part of it is also their content and fan base. If your content is personal enough that viewers can easily establish a parasocial relationship, they'll overstep boundaries, especially if you feature your relationship a lot in videos. Lizzie and Joel don't talk about their personal lives that often, or not nearly enough for viewers to feel entitled to knowing about their relationship.
lierally shayne and courtney from smosh. they kept that secret for almost a decade.
A great example is Stephanie Soo and her husband because they’re private enough that we don’t know his face but he’s always in the background of videos and you can tell they truly love each other. Safiya and Tylar are also a great example of content creator and supportive significant other that helps in videos
@@emilybrock6816SHAYNE AND COURTNEY ARE DATING??
My thing with Johnnie and his hate is so many people say that Johnnie is whinny and all he does is complain which is kinda crazy to me because Johnnie’s content Is about being open about his mental health and people saying he’s a poser is crazy to me because he was a blue print for being Emo back in the day
And the bullying, he literally gets hate for being to “needy” when the dude has a history of mental illnesses and trauma, the poor dude doesn’t deserve that
Same because people also have been complaining about how he makes those “whiny” videos but then say that he’s so much more depressed now (which is not true) even though he doesn’t even make those videos as much anymore
no fr, I’ve also seen people calling him a poser??? and I can’t tell if its a joke…
@@mshellr lemme guess it’s a bunch of teens saying that?
bro I swear, it really do be the ppl who spend their own time nonstop complaining who say this shit tho. like he is living his own life, YALL R THE ONES COMPLAINING LOL
it’s bad to be in your mid 20s and dating an 18-year-old but personally I feel like what makes it worse it is you knew this kid since they were 14 and then as soon as they turn 18, that’s when you start dating them it just makes it weird
If you are 18 you are an adult. That's fine to date whoever. But the before thing is strange.
Not only knew them as a 14yo, but also LIVED AT THEIR HOUSE at the time and became part of the family. That makes the situation 100x weirder to me, ngl
@@Choosetoonebro what r u yapping abt. Why would a fvcking 24 be involved with something who just graduated high school romantically? That’s very concerning and just because it’s technically “legal” doesn’t mean it’s ok and it’s gross to even defend that
@@RosieForever both adults dawg. that difference is not insane. most would not but it is fine. gross would be 13, 15 or some shit. most people know the difference but it is legal for a reason. what are you yapping about? people are made adults at 18 for a reason, also 16 is the school leaving age here. it is what it is. you have an issue with adults making decisions like adults do speak to the government to raise the adult age to 20 or something. don't talk to me about it.
@@Choosetoone do u even hear yourself? Like I literally said just bc it’s legal doesn’t make it ok, the girl in the video literally explain why something such as someone in their mid 20s hooking up with someone who literally just graduated high school shouldn’t be normal. Like is it that hard to understand why that’s very concerning? When u turn 18, you don’t automatically think like an adult just because u turn the legal age. That’s literally why it’s concerning for a grown ass adult to be romantically involved with pretty much someone who still has a mindset of a minor. That’s what’s leads power imbalance that be very dangerous for the 18 year old. It’s just wild of how ur literally defending this shit when it’s not that hard to understand why it’s bad. In simple terms, it doesn’t make sense for someone who has pretty much no experience with being an “legal” adult getting together with someone who already had many years of being one and why would any normal 24 year old want to be in a relationship like that where they will have to wait years before the person can legally drink and will be closer to their 30s when the other person finally becomes 21
Thinking you can’t be poor living in LA just shows a massive lack of knowledge on that city as a whole
doesn’t it have low property/ land costs?
@@okkelly6207noo
@@okkelly6207 apartments/homes in LA cost above the average price of apartments/homes across America, and people are getting paid less in LA to top it off
Well technically it’s really hard to be poor living in LA but relative to the city it’s easy to be poor.
Such as you have to make 110k to live comfortably in LA today. That is rich. But relative to LA thats middle class, get what I mean?
Anyways no hate, have a good day ❤
@DapperRat-d4w Right! that's something she constantly lies about...
honestly the whole bryan stars johnnie gilbert thing deserves its own video💀
😅 it really does. That was a MESS. Teenage me was gobsmacked. Especially once found out Brian's age like ewww what is he doing
There are a lot of videos about that on yt I think Johnnie himself even made one
yes!! especially if you go into my digital escape as a whole
MDE was a fever dream
@@R3dmc7 beyond mind blowing fr
Johnnie not being known by my digital escape is making me feel old😭
I used to know him (not on a personal level) a little bit before my digital escape was formed and when bryan stars used to only be known for interviewing emo and metalcore bands that would play for warped tour. 💀
Literally same 🤣
ME TOO
@_alysia omg yesss I had honestly forgotten, I was always randomly seeing his videos since Bryan, I didn't watch it, it's only one day I gave in and I actually enjoy their videos so much??? It was such a weird surreal feeling because I thought Johnnie was the one that interviewed celebs and warped from my teen memory lmaoo
I'm 18 and he was the only one I knew out of Tara/Jake/Johnnie cause of that lolll 😭
20:59 this is exactly what I've wanted to express about age gap relationships - some people act as if a switch is flipped when a person hits 18, and that it immediately dissolves all the boundaries built into dating anyone even a day younger. That 25-year-old is still half your age, Leo, and it's STILL CREEPY
Yess like for example in my country the age of consent is 15, and that’s the only cut off so as soon as you turn that age you can LEGALLY be with anyone but then morality also comes into play and it’s disgusting and shocking that some people just don’t have that moral compass
Yeah some age gaps are acceptable however. I don't see a problem with 18 and 20 or 18 and 22 but anything over that becomes overkill area.
25 and 32 are more acceptable than 18 and 25. Feel like there's nuances tbh.
@DapperRat-d4w Yeah, no, I'm aware. Their relationship was morally horrible and ethically questionable, Zach's and Indiana's for sure was not it. I primarily meant 18 yos meeting someone as 18 who are like 2-4 years older like 20 or 22. Or someone 25 being with someone 32 is different, often more acceptable than someone 18 being with someone 25. Because of maturity levels and whatnot. There's just nuance to it rather than "all age gaps are bad"
Leo and Tobey just.. ew
Why?
So many people tell u to go to therapy or that u are crazy just for saying it’s not right to date an 18-year old,
Meanwhile Leo and Tobey don’t see a problem at all
i met johnnie at warped tour in 2014 and he was genuinely very nice. i actually met him twice, once at the meet and greet and the second time at the end of the day i was walking to the parking lot and saw him walking inside the venue through a fence (it was an outdoor venue idk its hard to explain) me and my friend called out to him but he didnt hear us and we were like :( and then like two minutes later he walked up like "i thought i heard you guys try to say hi but i wasnt sure so i came to say hi just in case" it was very nice of him . i know hundredsss of teenage girls met him on warped tour that summer lol. i havent followed him since then but i rlly hope hes doing well ! also love ur vids, the way you speak is so easy to listen to like i understand every word u say u speak so fluidly like yes im listening! tell me more!
wait that's so sweet!! and as someone who has recently been following him( since 2018, dk if it still counts as recent), he's been doing kind of well, ever since he got more popular **again** on TikTok this time, he's also been getting more hate, so its been kinda hard for him to deal with it!
i got to very briefly meet him at warped tour one summer, he signed my braclet that they handed out cause it was cloth and i went on my happy way cause a sleeping with sirens set was about to start. being that it was a massive crowd and i was about 13 i always thought it was really nice that he took even just that moment cause im sure he got that alllllllll day and i felt bad disturbing his day.
@@globalgeode4363 hes a really nice guy in my opinion, doesn't deserve any of the hate he gets, I have never met him irl but have interacted online with him multiple times
awww that's so cute
i also met him in 2014 at Warped Tour!! he just seemed very shy and reserved, but super sweet and took the time to let me take photos with him :)
A 24yo dating an 18yo? Gross. A 24yo dating an 18yo they knew as a CHILD? Foul.
Edit: this is not about Tara and Jake!! Watch the entire video please :)
EXACTLY
Nothing wrong with an 18 dating a 24. They are both adults. However it sounded like they were a thing before hand and said they were dating when she turned 18. Convenient. But yeah, adults can date whoever.
@@Choosetoone sure an 18 year old is legally an adult but they aren't mentally, I mean its literally eighTEEN
@@Choosetoone 18 is barely a legal adult, there's no switch that flips as soon as you hit 18. There's so much maturity difference and life experience in those years
@@g4ydor445 not to 24 dude. legal adult is a legal adult, thats the parametre, some people are more expierenced with life and mature at 16 then some 28 year olds, we go by legal. i mean most places for consent in america is 16 and adult 18. we go by legal because everones opinion is subjective. there is not a grand difference from 18 to early 20s usually.
here's my personal take i started watching tara when she went viral i liked her and i don't think she's a horrible person or wtv but the people she surrounds herself with are absolutely HORRIBLE! especially zach... in conclusion the people who you surround/befriend are also a reflection of you and who knows what her persona is irl🤷♀️
i do not hate her i still watch her occasionally but i can't stand her being friends with people like zach
And people see a character someone portrays online as a horrible person of they don't like them, and can't comprehend they don't know these people in person
@@michellereedus9148 did you even read what I said looool
@@michellereedus9148 so ur telling me zach purposely portays being a horrible person online💀 THAT DOES NOT HELP HIS CASE
@@michellereedus9148ur a supporter of her who doesn't understand constructive criticism so shh
seeing johnnie in youtuber drama like this is WILD bc he’ll always be lil emo youtuber johnnie to me. i was a ginormous my digital escape fan and was there for that whole thing so seeing all this is like *woah*
this is so real
If I could send this video to me at age 13 I would do so quick
same lmfao
same I remember him from YouNow
@@kamiiu YOUNOW!!!!!
I'm 24, and I wouldn't even entertain the idea of having a relationship with an 18 year old.
I'm 26 and they're practically babies in my mind 😅
@@armin2changsbut there not tho your just older and that don't mean I ok being a pedo I'm just saying I hate when ppl who are 26 or 28 trying to call ppl like us babies 😒 clown behavior fr🤡
she was 18 and he was 20 when they started dating, not 24
@@sarahlilley4178 she was born in 2002 and he was born in 1995. he was 24
@@sarahlilley4178not talking about jake and tara
my gripe with the "tara yummy theme song" is that it is yummy by ayesha erotica, and tara has put ayesha's lyrics on merch and other things when it doesn't belong to her. i'm guessing most people who hear that song assume it's tara's when its not, and ayesha barely gets recognised or paid for her music despite so much of her discography going viral every few weeks. she doesn't even earn money from it as other people try to reupload and copyright her music constantly. idk id just feel upset if my song was known as someone elses theme song, and they were profiting from it while i was getting nothing for it
her other song was a feature in 6arelyhuman's remix of faster n harder and tbh i thought her lyrics were lazy and quite uninspired. part of them were taking from 6arely's existing lyrics, and her flow was verrry similar to ayesha's (particularly in "for the girls") and her verse was only 30 seconds
But we all (or most people) know it's Ayesha Erotica, its just "Tara's song" because of her username and the fact that she loves Ayesha's music. They even met and were partying together. Also the remix with 6arelyhuman was just for fun I heard because thats her music taste and they know each other, so I wouldn't take these bits so seriously 🤷🏽♀️
@@Laura-xh4yr you’d be surprised how many people don’t know the artist, or assume it’s tara’s because it’s so often called the tara yummy song. as much as i wish everyone knew who ayesha is and she got recognised for all her music, people don’t really know who she is
@@k1kitty_ i mean yeah, but it's mostly because tiktok is full of brainrot kids who don't have the capacity to lift a finger and type the name of the song and get to know who made it lol, i think this is not the biggest issue with tara, and the fact that she met ayesha and partied with her adds to that
well isn't ayesha a racist? why should we care lol
for the first part, tara and ayesha have hung out so she probably has permission from ayesha to have it as her "theme song" and to put it on merch, but i get what youre saying. for the second part, she def focused on making it catchy, which made it just lazy overall
oh I'm going to eat this up I just know
real
was it yummy?
@@alwayseverythinggHAAHAHAHAHHAHAH
ur pfp is iconic
Right
Zach calling Tara a pdf file's dream after he dated a girl he met when she was 14 is crazy 🤢
Also I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds him insufferable.
EDIT: y'all I'm not making any assumptions, I'm allowed to think the whole situation is tasteless, grow up.
The call is coming from inside the house!! I personally never found his humor funny, especially the things he says at the expense of women.
Pdf file I'm def using that now on😭
That's why I said to myself that he's like Drake he's going to be the new certified pedophile just like Drake. Although Drake is into like little kids like 6 year olds and 7 year olds while Zach is into 14 year olds to like 17 year olds or probably 13 year olds who knows.
It is not pdf that he dated some one when she was 18 and he was 24. An illegal age gap is off 12 years apart the age gap was 6 years apart. There’s no problem with him knowing her since she was 14 that just means that they’ve known each other for a while. It’s not like she was 14 and he was 20 when they started dating
@@SkullzatyourserviceNo ones saying its illegal, but its really odd
Zach calling tara a pdf files dream while making one of his main bits flirting with her is SO WEIRD. Especially with his past relationship being criticized (rightfully so) for the age gap and fact that he knew her as a child... Like, sir, the joke wasn't funny to begin with, but now it's just straight up *alarming*
It’s because he is one, so of course she’s his idea of a dream girl
She ended up leaving the podcast=( it makes me think about what he said off camera...
i think he just makes really unsavory jokes, it’s kinda his thing..
@@boing1oingssure but when you look at his dating history (that girl he dated that he knew since she was like 15 and he was in his 20’s and who he dated publicly when she turned 18…) he’s a creep
Edit: AND he was living at her house (cause of her mom) when she was 15… so it’s just a really creepy and weird situation
@@boing1oings He jokes about pedophilia, jokes that normalize pedophilia and makes it a light non-serious issue. AND he dated a 18 year old girl, 6 years younger to him, whom he knew since she was 14 and he was 20. The dots are connected already.
i’d like to point out that jake has mentioned he’s diagnosed with autism. a lot of people on the spectrum have hyper fixations on certain topics or objects and those hyper fixations can change rather frequently which is probably why he seemed to be uninterested in that stuff out of nowhere.
thank u for saying this omg😭😭
imo tht doesn’t excuse him from being critiqued for it. jeffery murdered vulnerable black boys, including a deaf boy, and it was continuously ignored by police bc they didn’t care enough. Black families didn’t receive justice till it was too late but he owns this guys glasses like it’s cool or smth? it’s weird point blank period to flex abt smth that was so devastating for so many ppl😒
@saf_k.33 yeah we aren't excusing it, what he did was TERRIBLE don't think im saying otherwise lol, just what we were saying was an explanation of why he could've had those glasses, yes its still bad either way, but people can't control what the hyperfixate on, and sometimes we take interest in weird/bad things. sorry for any misconceptions!!
@@yeosangoutsold yea that makes sense heavy on its still weird, but i can understand (maybe not him posting abt it) but like idk ig its more so the way he went abt it wasn’t very sensitive 😭but like yea thx 4 clearing it up more!
@@saf_k.33 yeah i def see where ur coming from, and np! :)
"The guy who got out of JAIL and PSYCHE WARD" like girl what 😭😭😭
Its a joke
@@Narine7326on everything
he got famous by making comedic tiktoks with a fake deep voice where he says „honeyy guess who just escaped the psyche ward“ or „honeyy guess who just got out of jailll“ and many women made tiktoks where they play the video (like a facetimecall) while in a taxi
calling the liza koshy era og youtube is WILD
for real lmaooo
literally bc i’m 29 so to me og yt is charlie candy mountain, smosh, jenna marbles, tourette’s guy, etc 😂
@@saigecoulter4178Same but I'm in my mid 20s
I feel so old :(
That’s what I’m thinking
finally I'm gonna get my fix on this drama from a reputable source. hands off the wheel, listening to your words intently. 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
real 🙌
What drama? There's is none
@@michellereedus9148 and we wouldn't have known that if we only went off of that one girls video
There is zero drama here 😂
@@michellereedus9148I know. I'm just paraphrasing everyone creating drama out of thin air
The idea that exes can’t be friends is so interesting to me. Me and my ex boyfriend broke up after a 3 year relationship and it’s been 3 years since and we are still friends 😭 we only broke up cause we didn’t want to same future. Truly for the best cause I just came out as a lesbian a few months ago 💀
Your experience is an exception to the rule. Typically, attempting a friendship with an ex that you were long term with and when the break up is so fresh, typically doesn’t work.
@@nafeesanaz we took about a month break from each other before talking again
Maybe he didn’t love you
@@Marthy_666😭😭😭
it just annoys me when they pull the “insecurity” card when someone is uncomfortable dating someone who’s that close to their ex. it’s disrespectful in the least to say “let’s hang out together with this person i banged for a few years and was deeply in love with, but of course those feelings are completely gone and just for you now.” 95% of people would not be okay with that and the remaining 5% probably like open relationships/polyamory
that danny gonzalez anecdote was so funny lmao.
21:04 finally someone said it. Like 18 year olds are still teenagers and there’s barely a maturity difference between a 18 y/o and 17 y/o. The truth is if the age of consent were lower the people in their mid 20s, 30s+ that go after 18 y/os would take advantage of that and go after people even younger. This is true in europe where you have 24 y/o dating 16 y/o for example
@@sofijaa05there’s an even bigger difference between myself a 24 year old and an 18 year old…. Like truly wtf would I have in common with a teenager?
@@sofijaa05The body maybe mature but the mind is not our brains aren’t fully mature till around 24-26. The fact that Zack was pretty much a full grown adult and wanting to date someone so young especially one who he lived with when she was 14 Is weird af.
@@sofijaa05 just say you’re a predator because 8 years makes a very big difference when your brain is developing. A 16 year old can never compare to me, you’re weird
@@sofijaa05you are absolutely disgusting
@jhvhnbmnbb no, by YOUR logic every straight men is a predator, believe it or not some men are not fucking weirdos who would go for a 16 year old at 25. If u do however... well if the shoe fits
My ex wife met me when I was 18 and she was 28.. when I finally broke it off she tried to say that I manipulated and abused her like she didn’t lie to me about multiple things that I expressed was important, ignored and disregarded my safety when it came to her comfort or her straight up not thinking about it, and her pressuring me to do certain things and when I didn’t she panicked that I wanted to leave her for a man to the point where a therapist had to tell her multiple times like I did that it was probably my medication and dysphoria. Can’t even recognize her as someone I use to love after the things she said to me.
Funnily enough, she inadvertently admitted multiple times that she thought of me as a child while making fun of me “trying to be grown” for wanting to divorce her lmao. I’m 22 years old. I left home at 18 and had to help her pay off her debt, get a drivers license, look for an apartment, get a credit card, and start saving money in an account 😭 I was her damn mother at that point.
All this to say. Enjoy your 20s. Don’t date people who could have been your college aged baby sitter, 8/10 times they’re secretly weird af. Also don’t ignore the red flags.
Agreed!
thank you for sharing this! 🙏🏼 100% agree
bahaha gonna start using “are you old enough to have been their baby sitter”
That is rough and sad. I hope you're doing well now.
:( be well, friend
I don’t really know things until you explain them
something about the wording in this comment just the most perfect thing ive seen all day
@@5oh6upi knew someone would make that comment
I didn’t even know who Tara yummy was until now 😂
@@z_bennet4208 psychic
User @harpertzou9047 has uncovered the concept of learning 🙌
I think the only thing I disagree with is the whole "punk/emo aesthetic" Johnnie does label himself as emo in which is fitting for him, his music is in the emo genre and emo is just a subculture abt the music which he is fitting to. However Jake refers to himself as punk and Punk is a political movement, you literally cannot refer yourself as punk if you're not aligned with the subculture bc it IS a political subculture. Not a fashion look
💯
That is true but Jake did say that he finds himself liking the punk aesthetic because of the movement, and the style came along with it.
yeah.. Jake also owns a Tesla. 😭
@@yeahno1796 idk if owning a tesla is punk.. Considering teslas are not environmentally great and Elon musk is a billionaire capitalist..
@@Vinebo_m my point exactly
Dating someone that you knew since they were a child ( and had sibling like relationship with them) is soo wrong and creepy even if you did not gr00med them initially
@@Vinebo_m shes 23 turning 24 this yr
@@Vinebo_mthey’re talking about zack and Indianas relationship.
@@erinleigh2808 OHHHSNSN HELP MB
Bro, u just wanted to hate. She's turning 24.
@@Leida098they talking about zack and Indiana’s relationship
the murderabilia thing is crazy😭
Not hating, not even in the slightest but murderabilia isn't as weird or "crazy" as people make it seem. People interested in it are more into the true crime/serial killer part. Yes some people are kinda weird and idealize these horrible people but most don't. You know? Maybe you don't. 😅
@@natileamace7138 I understand being fascinated in true crime (I've been interested in it for 10+ years) but collecting "souvenirs" from people who took lives is just disgusting. Can you imagine how you would feel if someone close to you was murdered and people were collecting memorabilia from the killer/selling it for large sums of money? It's in such poor taste imo.
@@hearsae WAIT Tara did that or someone else
@@sleeperzz Jake did
yeah and he was even contacting a serial killer called Nico Claux (aka the Vampire of France) at that time 😭 it was rlly wild
This is how fair "criticism" is. Not like that one girl who claims not to care about them but is in a subreddit full of people who dislike Tara, and made multiple videos on them.
Hypocrisy at its finest
she is so unfunny too calling them names, while saying THEIR sense of humor is bad. Like girl.
@@whatisgoingonbffr omg is that the vid where she started calling tara tarayucky and teriyaki😭
@@Scarlettjsyyy Yes. so unfunny and disrespectful lol
No, because you lose all credibility when you admit you're part of a snark reddit. That's such loser behaviour.
@@bitterOrangish like go do something else with your life like is it that difficult to do something better than hating on some pretty girl
Fun fact: Tara already apologized for the tweet she made when she was TWELVE (if I remember correctly she apologized in 2020 but i could be wrong) Plus yall gotta remember it was the early 2000s and she was in middle school, everyone was making diabolical jokes. And she could have picked the term up from the situation she was growing up in. Stop hating on Tara for a tweet she made when she was twelve which is extremely young, grow up. (I don’t mean to hate Amanda, I’m saying this for the people who do flame Tara for this)
I'm still a teenager, but tbh she should've known better. It's been like 12 years ago so I kind of excuse her and especially after she apologized
someone said she was 15 when she tweeted it
@@chloifiedd they were lying she was twelve
@@bloodyrosary bro shut up, when youre 12 you are a child and make mistakes. get over it
@@owlstarotwhat fucking 12 y/o tweets that ☠️☠️
Grooming is such an insidious, complex thing, and if your first relationships are toxic like this, it's hard to know what's normal and what's not. I was groomed and even a decade later, I find myself still making excuses for him and new ways to blame myself for wanting love and attention. I think of it like black mould, you can paint over it and pretend it's all fine but at a certain point it seeps through and you start to realise you've been breathing in all these toxic spores for years. I wouldn't be surprised if, in time, that young woman is able to properly reflect and subtract the blame and shame she feels and place it where it belongs, on the shoulders of the person who was an adult at the time.
Your explanation is perfect regarding the term
i'm really glad tara left the podcast... i think she's finally realizing how weird of a person zach is and is starting to distance herself from him. i think she's a really sweet person but i also think she's very gullible and is too nice to a fault which is why she tries to befriend everyone and give them the benefit of doubt. i think that's her only "bad" quality and it's what drives people to dislike her.
tbh idk where i stand w tara, not like it matters since she has a huge following. No matter what is said or what hate she still is huge. I think she just isn’t self aware of what she does sometimes yk? Which i get but like the clip of her interrupting alyssa who was talking about her depression just to talk abt her party was kinda ewwww. Along w not standing up for herself and other women on the podcast when zack says messed up stuff. And especially when she told Jake to get a T tattoo for her and he was very serious and upset about it. I think the entire group has their bad sides (like every average human). I just hope Tara fixes the ppl she surrounds herself w because it takes women back due to how much they get sexualized. The podcast even has a “theme song” for her abt where she ended up last night which is like…tf?? This group is just messy and exhausting tbh
LITERALLY THISSSS ^
In my opinion I don’t think any of the people in this group should’ve gotten to the level of fame they did. If you compare videos from when Tara was 18 to the present (23) you can see a big difference. What I dislike most about fans or haters thoughts is that they specifically made these people famous and then get angry when they realize they are human. In no way do I stand with what they’ve done but the people critizing them are no saints as well. It’s a messy situation and I really believe they let fame get to their heads. As for Zack I really don’t like the way he acts or the vibes he gives off, it’s like he’s putting humor into twisted thoughts
Jake told his fans in last live that he told tara that he will tatto her name because she's gonna be in his life forever and about alyysaa they were filming drunk episode she was drunk they all drunk after she told alyssa that she didn't hear her and how sorry she was alyssa told her i did,t even remember
@@georgewashingtonsAR it’s fair to not like tara, but people making whole subreddits and videos bashing tara is completely overkill acting as if she’s killed someone. okay maybe she ignored a comment by alyssa, but how does that warrant name calling like “tarayucky” by hundreds of people ? people can dislike tara for her content and personality and keep it to themselves, i don’t think she’s done anything to have mobs bashing her every action. people get way too comfortable bullying online.
@@tinytron completely agree. It’s okay not to like someone, people can just block her and her content. I feel bad bc she is a human being and idk what she must feel seeing how far people go with hating her. It’s okay to criticize people, but the things these ppl are doing are not criticisms.
my cousins said I reminded them of you and that was such a huge compliment for me. you are my comfort youtuber
WAIT please do an unnecessarily long recap of 4freakshow im on my knees begging
THIS IDEA IS IMMACULATE
4freakshow? Can you fill me in please
@@probablyprinit was this comedy show on zoom in 2020 with hamzah, claire, chase, and haley (i think i fucked up some of the names sorry) , but yeah
PLEASEEEEE
@@r4innyd4y91 wait that actually sounds so cool 😭
Johnny has always been a known person in the alt community, anyone who has been to warped tour has likely seen it met johnny
Omg a few weeks ago i came across this video about Tarayummy but the creator of that video just came across as extremely hateful at times that I couldn't finish watching. Like i had no idea who Tarayummy was prior to that video but i did want to know what the tea was so girl I'm glad i stumbled upon this video.
You watched the Motley Angel video didn’t you?? I watched it too and it was weird, malicious, and honestly more cringe then Tara’s content which isn’t even that cringy
@@Lalaland666-k3x yess it was their video. Like the moment they started calling her tarayucky and teriyaki or whatever was like weird and ofc I didn't watch the whole thing but from the bit that I did watch, some of the criticism seemed more like hate than actual criticism, so even when the did have valid points, the hatred they had for tara just really undermined it for me.
@@Imyourcherryybomb yeah, like you can not like someone for whatever petty reason but it to call people names? And their friends names? What the actual hell dude? She’s also a part of a Reddit hate group about Tara, so yeah it’s a Redditor being bitter
Same I saw that video but I couldn’t even get halfway through because it was just genuine hate
@@Lalaland666-k3x frrrr i keep seeing that creator's videos pop up on my recommended and I haven't watched a full video yet but all the titles and intros just seem very immature and petty 😭 Like 'Tara Yucky' or 'Johnnie Cringebert and Jake Wobble' cmon now
this whole video seems very unbiased compared to the video i’m imagining you’re responding too. i appreciate these videos a lot as i don’t know much about these people and it’s nice to stay up to date in the influencer world. keep up the good work
Do you mean the motley angel video? Because I detected some STRONG bias in that video
@@Colbys.emohairyeah that video made some strong points but I didn't like how she kept calling them names feel a bit hostile
RIGHT... This video is much better and a lot more constructive.
@@Patty-sp9yzagreed like even if she had a point on something (not frequently tho) the point wouldn’t stand immediately when she calls her “tara yucky” or wtv 💀 like i’m not a fan of her but it’s like she’s taking her personally.
@@saetvrn yea she’s acting like tarayummy is the worst person in the world when she’s obviously not
6:04 "i forget what exactly what the group was called but Johnny was in the influencer *scene* " i don't think that pun was intentional but it hit absolutely perfectly lol.
Okay so for some context, I remember watching Johnnie around 2016-2017 when he was in MDE. The drama there was crazyy( I recomend going down the rabbit hole). MDE was a collab channel with seven people, 6 of which ware between the ages of 16-19 I think and one grown ass adult Brian Star. He was 26 I think, also can a career interviewing emo bands before MDE.
So I dunno how much I remember but pretty much I think most of them ware living together in an apartment, I'm pretty sure all the money was going to Brian and he was maybe acting like their manager or something. They had a blow out fight I think , people started leaving and at the end it was Brian, Johnny and his then gf Alex on a couch explaining everything. At some point Brian locked everyone out of the yt channel and tried rebranding it with a different group of teens , and the og mde tried making a change on their own but it didn't last long( I think it was just growing up and having different goals). Also fun fact Johnnie was being shipped with one of the other boys named kyle( their ship name was kohnnie) so he's been on the queer baiting grind since day onee. Yeah 2016 emo youtube was fucking crackk.
Johnnie made a whole video on Bryan but took it down I believe. Luckily one of the old members Shannon has her reaction still up and shared her experience
@@jaithon7254 yess I'm pretty sure I remember all of them posting "responses" it was wilddd
i think its weird to use the phrase "queer baiting" to refer to real life people tbh especially when johnnie and jake have said theyre straight so what are they baiting
@@darklydreadLiterally. That word gets thrown around way too much.
@@darklydread honestly just used it as a short way to express influencer who panders to his young female audience by having romantic/intimate behavior with another man even tho it's public they are strait. Dunno what you call that , because yeah maybe it's not queer baiting but it's something for suree. That happened wait too much not to have a specific phrase 🤣
the fact that she is still friends with people who support isnotreal does it for me
who
can u name who need to unfollow just in case
@@sarakhan-pk7koyeah please say who supports isnotreal
Who is it bestie!!!
@@sarakhan-pk7ko are fans that she had went in vacation with she didn’t say there names nor showed them since most of them aren’t influencers but she stays in contact with them still
stop you're so right about the vinnie hacker thing. like, he likes anime and star wars... and? 😭
Yeah regardless that Zach guy is 1000000000% a groomer. Idgaf if Indiana doesn’t think she was there’s no reason someone who would call someone their sister and knew them consistently from age 14-18. Usually the younger person thinks they’re pursuing the older person and “instigated” it but the adult should ACT LIKE AN ADULT AND SAY NO. As a victim of CSA her story isn’t taking away from others stories. The people who do that are abusers.
yeah they always say theyre not a victim but u literally are its sad
He isn’t. You need to get over yourself
Yup, his defenders need to understand that just because she doesn't know she got groomed doesn't mean she didn't get groomed. She could be in denial, as well.
@@Marthy_666 You are defending that clown under multiple comments. I won't be surprised if you're as pathetic of a man as him. Hope no child and girl comes close to you.
26:20 as an alternative person, labels can matter. Alternative culture is not looks based, it’s about politics and music. Being anti capitalist, anti discrimination, feminist, so on and so forth. You cant be punk/goth and buy fast fashion. You cant be capitalist and punk- which brings be to my point. Jake has an anarchy tattoo and own a tesla, which is a slap in the face for punks, goths, metalheads and alt people in general. To me, Jake and Johnnie kinda use alternative culture (especially Emo and punk) as a costume. They “look” alt, but they aren’t really alt.
they dont claim to be, that was her point, you can dress a certain way without labelling yourself
Couldn’t have said it better tbh
I’m pretty sure Johnnie is emo, has claimed to be so and he appears so since he does make emo music.
@@alpacafish1269 i was talking about jake, but johnnie has been in the scene for over a decade now, its clearly not a costume
@@xothium I was replying to the main comment and I know who you were referring to.
I really love your drama recaps 'cause you're one of the only people I've watched who manage to hold people accountable while simultaneously being realistic and not criticize these people for being human
I cannot believe that you don’t know who my digital escape are. What went down in that group was absolutely wild.
I should NOT have been watching MDE at my young age back in like 2016ish lmao
Spill
@@zandikhetwayo7444just a lot of grooming, cheating, financial abuse, pedophilia, and exploitation on bryan stars' part
@@zandikhetwayo7444basically the guy who decided to make MDE (Bryan Star) made interview videos of popular band members at warp tour and Johnnie was a HUGE fan of him at the time and underage and Bryan hired him to help him out on stuff from there he basically started to take advantage of Johnnie being young and not knowing anything and formed MDE and forced Johnnie and other members to do stuff they didn’t want to consent to but since they were all really young and Bryan was much older and had a hold of their income they did everything he asked… a lot of the MDE videos are now just sad to watch knowing they were all basically being abused
What happened?
i usually get bored when im watching a video of a podcast like this, but your videos are so inticing and i really love your approach to all the drama. it is very entertaining, keep doing what you do!!
Saying that rape is a joke and dark humor is very insensitive
True though.. especially on Zach's part, it feels like it should be excused
If you don’t like dark humour then don’t watch him 🤷🏻♀️
@@Marthy_666 since when is rape a joke like when is that been funny and like something to joke about
@@Marthy_666 Dark humour is humour only when YOU joke about something that happened to YOU. If you joke about something that happened to sb else then it's not humour.
@@ningningningggyall are snowflakes that grew up online protected from the harsh reality of social situations and interactions get over it
IN MY OPINION, Tara getting hated on is for the most part not deserved, the argument of her interrupting Alyssa while she was talking about her struggles with depression was during a drunk episode. they had since talked about it on the podcast and neither held ill will. Tara blew up quickly and has been put in the spotlight, it wasn't an easy thing. Tara also recognizes that she can interrupt and tries not to.
And people who harrassed her for things she did as a little kid are the ones who need to grow up.
(of course, i do not know her personally but it's just a little grievance of mine
💗)
being drunk does not excuse being an a--hole btw! stop mindlessly defending awful people who couldn't give two flying fcks about you
I don’t watch her but I did see the full clip where Alyssa was being made fun of for her looks and Tara cut in saying “I’ve never been made fun of for the way I look.” Was that a drunk episode? Ik they’re friends and all but that comment was tone deaf and nastyy 😭
@@idolwhisperinstead of hating on them and this commenter who did nothing to u?
@@ryleek4213 haven’t seen that but damn. Yeah that was tone deaf.
@@ryleek4213 i think that instance was the one of the only times I felt that tara was wrong
I personally think Tara is popular bc shes basically an emo Mila Kunis.
That sounds accurate!
Girl where is the emo..
She ain’t emo
@@Seashell360edgy atleast
Waittt you’re so right. Edgy mila
Cheating in a relationship with people that saw each other as sibling where one was barely a teenager is the LEAST harmful thing that could have come from that. Good for her!
Eh…
@motleyangell this is how you make a tarayummy critique video
ATE
she was literally so biased and only made the video already hating them and then goes on to say that she doesn't even care about their existence when she is literally a part of a subreddit hating on them and made multiple videos just pointing out what she dislikes about them.
Such a hypocrite
nah bc she had some fair points points but her hatred for tara just completely overtook the video and the tara yucky thing was just so juvenile
also nana pfps hiii
@@buttersaltedpopcorn yess, I can so easily overlook the "fair points" she made because I knew it was only coming from a place of hatred and that's just straight up not fair.
Posted 53 seconds ago ??!? We eating GOOD today 😩
14 and 21 when they first met each other??????????? Put that man in JAIL
ESPECIALLY when he continues to make p€do jokes around/to children ???? Hello ??!
@@meaniepanini3198in a video discussing his behaviour, he had a 13 year old in his podcast and really couldn’t contain himself. He had to keep making her uncomfortable by asking if she had a boyfriend and making sexual jokes. It’s just bewildering how he hasn’t been criticised until now and even now, a large number of people still don’t know about his behaviour.
I personally think he's a borderline pdf file
THIS. and on top of the fact that he called Tara a ped*s dream....and then follows up by hitting on her!
oh my GOSH THE EXCITEMENT FLOWING THROUGH MY VEINS IVE BEEN LOVING YOU RECAPPING DRAMA pls do more im obsessed with you
I love how she just randomly talked about being constipated at the end of the video
tara did leave the dropouts podcast. also, the tarayummy mindset sound was something jake and johnnie told her to say as a joke, and people started taking it really seriously.
(Not a punk girlie) I noticed that a lot of criticism towards how they dress, mainly Jake, is that it isn’t just an aesthetic as you said. Punk is a political movement and Jake, who says he doesn’t identify with punk, literally has a political punk tattoo and (from what I’ve heard) supports fast fashion, which is very against the ideologies of punk.
Finaly someone said this!!!
thank u cuz literally
it’s insane the sheer amount of age gap relationships start with the “sibling bond” excuse before the younger one turns 18. like yes that excuse is so believable when every single one of these couples uses it …
I'm a fan, and I agree with all of this. I think because of the recent conversation about them, people jump to hate them without any context.
I stopped watching them when in Jake's cruise vlog, Tara was tispy or drunk and started doing grabby hands and going "Uppies uppies uppies! Johnnie will you carry me to dinner!" It was too weird for me to keep watching the video. I watched Tara's cruise vlog, and she was much more chill. I think she was playing it up for his vlog, but it's still really weird!
Another thing that made me stop watching, is even though I like their videos trying weird stuff, I grew up pretty poor. Target is expensive to me. Them spending on so much food and random things they don't need other for the videos makes me kinda mad when they don't need to! It's wasteful.
The problem with tara that she film herself drunk and people clip that and they tought that's her real personality
i really loved your video and the way you highlighted their faults as well as their helpness on the internet. In the end we're all humans with both good and bad and the best we can do is be kind to each other :)
I need to see you learn about the "my digital escape" lore. It is insane
what’s the lore?
Did you y’all see the clip of jake getting mad at Tara because she wanted jake to get a tattoo for her and jake said no then Tara started acting like a baby and pouting and shit. Jake literally said being friends with her is hard because he has trouble meeting potential partners and moving on.
ur so cool u give the vibes of the type of people i'd like to be friends with irl 😭 i hope ur channel grows
She’s so kind and I love this video.
She looks a lot like my older sister idk why maybe it’s the hair or something.
You have GOT to watch Motley Angles video on Tara, it’s unhinged and not in the fun way in the “wait why is this a problem why are you being mean?” Kind of way
She's made two separate videos on Tara just to essentially call her a "pick-me"? Why waste so much time and energy when she could just say she doesn't like Tara and move on lmao
@@namphuongnguyen8569 she’s a part of a Reddit hate group about Tara, I think we should abandon all hope for Motley Angel💀
I had the same problem with her videos because I felt like there was no actual substance or allegations in them it just felt mean
@@maireadxx she’s a Redditor, of course she acts mean for no reason :edit, I know not all Redditors are mean I’m sorry if I offended anyone
@@Lalaland666-k3x nooo we’re not all mean please don’t lump us together 😭
he waited until she was 18… that screams grooming
8:14 i think everyone knows exactly who she is talking about 😭
Omg is it that motley angel? Who kept calling her tara yucky
@@Kxtie_A yesss 😭 she is so disrespectful
@thatissoslay yeah, she's hella nasty for talking ab someone (who she doesn't even know!!!) like that
@@thatissoslay RIGHTTT i saw that too
@@Kxtie_A yeah and calling people names like "tara yucky" and other things she called jake and johnnie thats just super childish 💀 also shes on snark reddit... its pathetic
thank you for doing your research about them properly! I'm a fan of them and people just seem to hate everything they do recently so it's refreshing to see someone with compassion making a video on them :)
(+ I also really don't like zach and his humor I'm glad so many people bring the stuff with indiana up again)
@DapperRat-d4w she tweeted that when she was twelve and also apologized for it like what do you want her to do? kids are easily influenced like her environment as a child should be blamed for her to say something like that not her. She also didn't ignore palestine she did donate and adopt a family but I do agree that she should've posted more on social media about it and definitely shouldn't have done the collaboration with marc jacobs (but I want to defend her on that one too because I didn't even know that marc jacobs is on the boycott list and I never saw anyone talk about them being on the boycott list before the tara drama)
i think the hate is v valid tbh
I'm sorry but Jake at one point had JEFFREY DAHMERS GLASSES???
Together with that painting it's really creepy and just... Why, there's a line between being edgy and immoral and I think wanting to own stuff of a person who hurt many and was deranged actually just means sb has no morals.
I’m jealous, I have Charles Mason’s prison ID
@@KennedyKay88 that's so cool!!
i find it incredibly unsettling that he went on to date a girl he knew at 14 years old while he was 21, and then frequently makes pedo jokes.
i’m tired of people thinking that “jokes” get a pass…i will not make accusations but simply state my opinion on the information presented and yeah that’s wack as hell and it’s not uncommon for fr pedos to make jokes like that either. prominent recent example: danny masterson. after news of his sentencing broke out, interviews resurfaced where he had frequently made pedo jokes, many directed at mila
Right like people don’t see how weird it is for an adult to watch someone grow up, then become adult themselves and date them
finally a video discussing the drama that isn't completely bad faith with horrible takes
legit someone tried to make johnnie look as bad as possible by saying he was "pushing 30" at 26 years old,,, bruh
okay i posted this comment before i finished the whole video and now i know that she's criticizing the exact same bs video that i watched lmaoooo
@@mamadev7687she said 26 is still young and frontal lobe is just start developing 😭 let’s calm down
@@mmmmnhhh actually your frontal lobe stops developing at 25. also calm down with what? i'm agreeing with this video
seriously dude. i just watched a video before this and i felt so ticked off when they said they understand johnnie's depression but then proceed to call him "whiny". it's soooo ???
I genuinely think the reason they've popped off recently is because so many ppl are nostalgic for old UA-cam and the kind of 2010s simpler time
The fact they started dating when she turned 18 after he knew her for 3 years of her being a minor….Like he absolutely had disgusting and perverse thoughts about her when she was a child.
And the way he acted towards the 13 year old on the podcast is absolutely disgusting as well.
People need to stop infantilizing and defending Tara considering this is the type of person she hangs out with. I’m only pointing Tara out here because people already think Zach is gross but go on to defend Tara because they’re a fan of her. Like go look at who you’re defending. Somebody who hangs around groomers and doesn’t care
it's so refreshing watching a non-judgemental video! it's like a breath of fresh air :) as someone who's a huge fan of Johnnie, I loved this video!
and also, at 7:19 Jake & Johnnie, have said that they want to keep the old UA-cam style videos alive :))
12:10 THE HEATWAVES REFERENCE OMG
A lot of people recently dug up Indiana and Zach's old IG posts/comments and I've never been more disgusted in my entire life. And thank you for pointing out that he literally actively saw her at 14 yrs old when he was 20/21, and still decided to publicly date her as soon as she turned 18. That tells me everything I need to know about Zach Justice. Not to mention how he recently asked Joe Gatto which one of his 50 yr old friends would he let a "hypothetically older daughter" date (mind you he does have a daughter but she's currently 9 yrs old).
when i used to work in pharmacy, one of my bosses i used to have, who was a pharmacist, married the girl he used to babysit..... he was like 16+ and she was a younger child, i don't even think she was a teen, who also btw grew up to become a pharmacist (yes, they both were pharmacists where i worked, so i worked with both of them, the conflict of interest is a long story). he literally said that he went from chasing her around the house while playing with her and thinking she was adorable to marrying her (and he said that with a straight face)... he also openly admitted to me that he's a sociopath and doesn't give a sh!t about others and is only about making money, but he had a very kind, friendly, caring charm. zach justice and his face gives me very much that, and i've been saying it and i can't believe others aren't alarmed by and calling it out either... he can't even make any facial expressions, his facial structure resembles that of concerning people, just like my former boss, and he's allegedly this "sweetheart" off camera, when "not in character" (his "jokes" expose his internal racism, s3xism, misogyny, p word, etc. all just deplorably masked as "humor." offensive things cannot be called jokes, it's just straight up offensive and harmful. those are your hidden thoughts).....
whoever crosses his path is a victim, for sure. he has everyone around him charmed. and btw you do not have to be a child to be gr00med, it can happen to you at any age if there is any power dynamic present, including an age gap. and zach is consistently not denying the idea of him and tara potentially dating later in life. he won't drop it, in fact, he keeps entertaining it indirectly. tara is still too young. zach is almost 30. her brain isn't even fully developed yet and this mf has the audacity to ask her invasive, degrading questions like "who's bed did you wake up in today" and make a public spectacle out of it among all the other sh!t he says at the expense of women... it really is giving shane dawson's podcast. people will only talk about things when actual scandals and incidents happen and be like oh we knew it he was a creep, but people are over here shipping sh!t and adoring him and saying he's funny. can we please just see things and people for what they are and what they show themselves to be and not make exceptions for them?? when will people learn? how many more harmful scandals will it take??
oh i forgot to mention, i heard the pharmacists got divorced like about a year maybe even less after i left, and he like moved to another state, left her for some vegas showgirl to go ride in sports cars with her and go to horse tracks. she (the pharmacist) was a b!tch tho, but didn't matter to him maybe she wasn't to him........ white people are sum else to me. y'all weird as he11..
I feel like in general johnnie is mostly overlooked when his lore and backstory is actually the craziest thing, like hello?! The gro*ming started so young for him, I can’t even imagine the mental work he had to do to unlearn so much of those bad habits 🤮😖
love you but the constant “i don’t know, i don’t know that name, i don’t like them, im not into that stuff” like?? then why make the video you obviously don’t know enough or care about them so why make the video.
I know right lol personally this video was a miss for me. Love Amanda though!
I feel like this video was more of a response to the pick me allegations for Tara. I think a video centered around that specific topic would have even a lot better.
my favorite days are when amanda posts and unnecessarily long recap
They’re just normal people making videos, people put “influencers” on this pedestal where they’re expected to be perfect, almost every problematic thing they’ve done they’ve addressed it. It’s insane how everyone suddenly hates them now. As a fan of all of them I also do have to admit the fandom is RANK they’re either 10 year olds that think they’re funny or 40 year old women that infantalize them 😭 I made the “ you look like the type of guy to have a green mist following you around “ on Jake’s TikTok and the AMOUNT OF PEOPLE OFFENDED saying stuff like “don’t talk about my man my precious Jake like that” is actually insane.
LOUDERRR
YES
influencers literally INFLUENCE ppl like they are supposed to be more sensitive to certain topics an shi…u can’t say they’re expected to be perfect when ppl literally hate them bc of the sexist, racists they hang around AND bc they haven’t said shi abt the genocide happening like yea they are expected to do better…so what?
and don’t even get me started on the jeffery dahmer shit..like wtf is wrong w yall y do u defend these ppl i could nvr get it but ur white so thats prolly y😮
i appreciate you making an actual unbiased critique and explanation on this situation. i feel like some people are taking it too far by bashing their personalities.
Yh and one girl is actually hostile by going against Tara‘s parents and nothing happened.
Well at least one of her videos got age restricted so small things :)
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Unbiased 😂 "I hate Zach now here come all my double standard. Like Tara is into dad's and would totally sleep with someone 35, yet Zach at 28 jokingly flirting with Tara is weird"...I too love Unbiased videos
@@NateDawg920 well i mean unbiased like she’s saying all the reasons why she had drama. she might’ve said her opinions but she doesn’t seem like she’s a fan or a hater of tara
@@NateDawg920 i don’t really care if she doesn’t like zach because this isn’t a video on zach. she is being unbiased on her opinion of tara. also zach has said some horrible things so i understand why she doesn’t like him.
This video is truly refreshing. Obviously every human is biased in some way, but I feel like this was an impressively unbiased and logical take/recap of the situation. Which is def hard to find nowadays.
yess
tara dances on the line between not being a girls girl and being a pick me
Stuck in the middle😭
I wonder if it’s an internalized thing since women unfortunately have been conditioned in American culture to appeal to men so maybe that’s something she has to figure out cause overall I do like Tara but you’re right there is some questionable moments where its pretty obvious she’s appeases the men around her which is honestly a huge bummer to see but I hope she recognizes it soon
I’m sorry, but minimising subcultures into “aesthetics” is so so offensive the alternative scene especially punk has always been about politics, humanities, social cases, non-conformity, anti-consumerism and human rights. sure you can dress anyway you like just because you like it but in Jakes case he has labelled his style as punk but later said that he doesn’t, because actual punk people get mad at it😂
I’m pretty sure that Jake, Johnny and Tara only do it for satire. Like “lmao we are obnoxious.” And some of the stuff might be real like in some moments when Jake stims (he has autism) that might be just him not acting for the camera, but I’m 90% sure that 70% of it as an act or at least not really how they act in public
the coverage on something i dont give a shit about but is constantly popping up on my feed i needed.
the zach justice part went on for WAY too long 😭😭
I LOVE “unnecessarily long recap” videos!!💗
omg i was looking for smth like this bc ppl have been OBSESSING over tara yummy and ive never seen her before 😭
I usally don't comment this type of videos but I wanted you to know that is so refreshing to see perspective like yours. You don't offend anyone, your reasoning is very logical and mature. Last but not least - you're kind-hearted. Good job beautiful soul :)
i think people that defend zach for dating indiana are willingly forgetting that he knew her since she was 14. if they had met when she was 18 it would still be weird but less problematic but he knew her since she was going through puberty
As someone who met johnnie at warped tour in the late 2010s, it’s so weird to see the “newer” fans like shipping him with people. It’s so fucking weird. Johnnie has been taken advantage of many times in the past so I feel like all that shit makes him uncomfortable. He’s a grown ass adult tryna live his life.
He seems nice and it’s disgusting.
I hope he finds a nice person to be with (if he wants that) and gets out of the limelight soon
@@Seraphina93 I agree. While I think he enjoys the company of his fan base, I hope he does what’s best for him. I have zero idea what that is as I don’t know him, but I truly hope the best for Johnnie. He’s a really good dude
I agree but at the same time, I feel like he subconsciously enables that behavior from his fans. His fans are young and very impressionable, they lose their shit if anyone criticizes him and Johnnie posts a video about it online just full on sobbing about it. There’s a connection to that is what I’m saying basically and I think he should be the adult in those situations and build boundaries with his own fans, they’re parasocial and baby a full grown man, all while sexualizing him too
finding zach insufferable is so real i genuinely don’t see how ppl enjoy his content
White trump supporters do💀
I love hearing drama about people I never heard of and will have no affect on my life
You saying you weren’t alive during the OG youtubers era made me fall to my knees….im really turning 30 next year 😭