Ofcourse Kurtzman doesn’t care. That’s why the producers of Star Wars deserve way more credit because even though they’re dropping their new shows like hotcakes, the Mandalorian taught them two things: that the essence of Star Wars power is nostalgia and that you can still introduce new refreshing characters without risk to injuring cannon. They learned their lesson from those sequels and knowing that those sequels was just a money grab, the question remains will they discontinue them or rework them to the point they don’t exist. Plus Star Wars doesn’t deal with time travel the way Star Trek does so it’s a possibility that Star Wars can do a time travel episode or show where the sequels become an alternative universe or parallel universe die hard fans can forget about. Kurtzman and Mr. Fake Godzilla JJ Abrams were more than willing to flip and twist Star Trek into whatever they want since Paramount only cares about making money off a franchise that brought damn near a billion or more. It sucks that Kurtzmans ego will never allow him to dive into the power of Star Trek which is nostalgia and blending that with something new. He has not done that at all with both the visualizations and the writing. I really don’t like that man but it’s paramount that deserves the most blame.
i would agree with barthbennett as time travel and alt-timelines due to 4th dimensional warfare explain a lot. like in st:enterprise its suggested the main timeline after first contact is the result of q forcing the enterprise d to meet the borg then first invading earth after assimilating the flagship captain Picard then the second time invading earths past that actually made the timeline of piece. in ds9 its suggested again the mirror universe has some strange link to the canon universe. so just like jj trek is kelvine timeline is a alt-timeline so is ufp timeline a alt-timeline and the iss timeline could actually be the original timeline as if not effected by 4th dimensional attacks as suggested in sto. until its discovered threw a transporter accident (yes them dam transporters) a rift between iss and ufp timelines exists at places time travel like what the borg used in star trek first contact that was used twice as the enterprise E copied the borg time travel to get back. so just like the lost era kelvin timeline and ufp timeline have section 31 but mirror universe does not as humans there dont make piece. like quark said humans can be nastier than the most blood thirsty Klingon without a shower root beer soda and memory foam bed and like sarek said in st:enterprise the duality of man is so unmatched they could destroy or unite the galaxy. that means a section 31 show could be all about the start of piece actually started by q and made successful by humans and attacked by time travel and stopped by section 31 with a little help from discovery and time agent Daniels who was also on the enterprise E in star trek first contact and a few times on voyager and the nx-01 enterprise. time agent Daniels will be a key character if the discovery season starting in the 32nd century has daniels again.
instead of a new series in some unknown future I rather would love to see a series about the lost era with the ORIGINAL uniforms Its one of my absolute hated things, that for every new series they produce new stuff for everything instead of using the already existing (timeline appropiate) things...
Idk they miss the gold, blue, and red colors that are so iconic and imo feel a little too militaristic. Definitely cool uniforms but not what I think of when I think of Star Trek.
I may be in the minority, but I was always fond of the ST:TMP uniforms. I'll grant that as a way to quickly identify on screen what various background characters are doing, they are lacking, but the subdued color scheme is common to most real world uniforms. About the only place brilliant color schemes would make sense would be a hangar bay or engineering and in that case, we wouldn't have all engineers wearing the same color as is the case in Star Trek. For that matter, even with the Preservers mucking about with so many species' DNA, it's unlikely that all Federation member races would have identical color vision, so if the point is to make uniforms visually distinctive by task, patterns rather than colors would make far more sense.
Cardasian Border Wars should have been officially eneded before 2266. As TNG s1 was 2264, doesn't make sense that there's no mention of an ongoing war in the first several seasons.
Definitely ALOT of material to mine in the Lost Era. Personally I always wanted to see an extended back flash of the....I'm going to butcher the spelling here...Kittomer massacre. Not for the violence, but for the importance of the story. It's mentioned practically every other episode! 😂.
Interesting canon error. Scotty is on board the Enterprise B when Kirk "dies" in 2293, then gets stuck in a transporter beginning in 2294. When the Enterprise D rescues him, he says something like "I should have known. I bet Jim Kirk himself..." But to Scotty, Kirk would have been dead. 🤔
Alot of people suggested that he just was a little dizzy from the long time in the transporter buffer and mixed things up / shortly forgot that Kirk died 😁 the obvious real-world reason being that the TNG-Episode was produced before “Generations“ 😁 By the way: Was it ever explicitly mentioned that he got stuck in the transporter in 2294 in canon? If I remember correctly it was never stated when exactly he ended up in that transporter, other that it obviously happend some time after “Generations“.
The Enterprise B never accomplished much. Captain John Harriman was always taking shore leave to help an old friend of his from school ditch a day at work to just go screw off. I heard Harriman destroyed the Enterprise B after ranting how this time he was really going to show his father. Of course this shameful time period would be kept mostly hidden and classified from Federation Citizens and Star Trek fans.
Have a feeling that it'll be just another discovery-esk visual reboot/ret-con shoe horned into an era of Trek that already has it's own look, feel and history. It'll be equivalent to what SNW is to TOS
personal i feel like this lost era would be perfect for a star trek version of star wars tales of the jedi/empire series in animated form where we see some event on screen like the early days of enterprise b and the enterprise c and other event
11:07 I can see why this is fiction. Real world, Harriman would of been relieved of duty for "a loss of confidence in his ability to command". Lose the crew, lose the ship. Six US Navy captains have been relieved of command this year (2024) alone, and its only June. No way in hell would the captain for the flagship of the fleet would still be in command after that fiasco.
Nice to hear someone explaining things and getting on with it without wasting time telling unfunny jokes and using this as stand up,! Your voice is lovely😊
Much as the Lost Era has always intrigued me, I wonder why a fair number of Trek shows since Enterprise have been prequels. Discovery, Strange New Worlds, this upcoming Michelle Yeoh vehicle... Only Picard was set after Voyager ended and even that show spent most of season 2 in the past!
Nostalgia and most of the big bads are dealt with. The Borg are toast. The Romulans are virtually gone. Klingons and the Cardassians aren't a threat anymore. A series which advances the plot needs to find a new threat. That's a risk and most executives are risk adverse at this point
@@baconpwn well, you can never be sure about the original borg but they are so diminished in the delta? quadrant that yeah no longer a threat for a long time. Same with the romulans though they are slippery so may not be as weak as it seems. Maybe they could do more through the wormhole with the dominion and the breen, the Klingons too are unpredictable. But they could do what the original series did go into deep space investigate things maybe find new enemies there is still a hell of a lot of unknown space. As you say if they got the nerve to do it and the talent and i'm not sure they have either.
we acctually have 2 lost eras. There is the era between after the Romulan war and federation foundation till the discovery tos era and the enterprise era till tng
A Star Trek series set between TOS and TNG would be cool. Jean-Luc Picard could be a newly qualified ensign fresh from the academy, and Uhura could be the new captain of the Enterprise
I see three possibilities for the "lost era." The first would be a new series based somewhere in between TOS and TNG. It could include portraying a young Picard and Tuvoc from Voyager. Many possibilities are envisioned. The second option is a mini series laid out in two hour segments over 4 - 5 days much like Roots and put on DVD for distribution. The third option would be a series of movies shown in theaters as well as DVD sales. I personally would prefer a mini series as frankly I believe Star Trek is burned out for yet another series. Give us a good taste but let's not drag it out for God knows how many seasons. I would still like to watch any of the options though.
What would be interesting to see is the USS Enterprise-C was never destroyed. The only ship that got destroyed was the Enterprise-D that followed Enterprise-C in the time stream to the past. The Enterprise-C needs to be at the Fleet Museum, next to Enterprise-D....
Since Paramount has been using Star Trek online designs I wonder if the Section 31 project will the feature Georgiou class aka a Variant of the Walker class active around this time
What you need to do is create a time line showing all events that happened in this forgotten era…… Is there going to be a movie that takes place in this forgotten era? Is there going to be a movie about the Kelvin era and the reboot crew soon?
This era is when they should have done the Starfleet Academy show, not in the 32nd century. They could have done cameos of the younger versions of established characters.
I love the explanation you gave for the Lost Era. There are so many events in the original next generation that I would love to have seen or love to see. Unfortunately I'm not a fan of the new Star Trek, so don't all come for me. I would love to have seen the romulan war, which Braga had said that the script was already done for the 5th season and that was going to be the main focus and CBS had to cancel it which was a huge mistake. To me, section 31 has always been a wonderful mystery. Something to keep you thinking all the time. So a section 31 movie is not for me. I don't want to see it because I want to keep that mystery, And luckily, since I've never watched Discovery or any of the other new shows, I still have that wonderful mystery feeling of section 31 not ever knowing what it truly truly is. That's what I loved about how they portrayed 31 in deep space nine when one of them met with Dr. Bashir. But if anyone can point me in the direction of all the different books that would fill in all the different errors that are lost that we didn't get to see during the next generation or the original or deep space 9 voyage or even Enterprise. Please feel free to throw it to me cuz I would love to just sit down and read countless hours of Star Trek. Thank you and thank you for your video.
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I guarantee that the writers of the Section 31 show/movie does NOT care about anything that you spoke about in this video.
Yeah, KurtzmanTrek doesn't count.
Absolutely, they don’t care.
Ofcourse Kurtzman doesn’t care. That’s why the producers of Star Wars deserve way more credit because even though they’re dropping their new shows like hotcakes, the Mandalorian taught them two things: that the essence of Star Wars power is nostalgia and that you can still introduce new refreshing characters without risk to injuring cannon. They learned their lesson from those sequels and knowing that those sequels was just a money grab, the question remains will they discontinue them or rework them to the point they don’t exist. Plus Star Wars doesn’t deal with time travel the way Star Trek does so it’s a possibility that Star Wars can do a time travel episode or show where the sequels become an alternative universe or parallel universe die hard fans can forget about. Kurtzman and Mr. Fake Godzilla JJ Abrams were more than willing to flip and twist Star Trek into whatever they want since Paramount only cares about making money off a franchise that brought damn near a billion or more. It sucks that Kurtzmans ego will never allow him to dive into the power of Star Trek which is nostalgia and blending that with something new. He has not done that at all with both the visualizations and the writing. I really don’t like that man but it’s paramount that deserves the most blame.
i would agree with barthbennett as time travel and alt-timelines due to 4th dimensional warfare explain a lot. like in st:enterprise its suggested the main timeline after first contact is the result of q forcing the enterprise d to meet the borg then first invading earth after assimilating the flagship captain Picard then the second time invading earths past that actually made the timeline of piece. in ds9 its suggested again the mirror universe has some strange link to the canon universe. so just like jj trek is kelvine timeline is a alt-timeline so is ufp timeline a alt-timeline and the iss timeline could actually be the original timeline as if not effected by 4th dimensional attacks as suggested in sto. until its discovered threw a transporter accident (yes them dam transporters) a rift between iss and ufp timelines exists at places time travel like what the borg used in star trek first contact that was used twice as the enterprise E copied the borg time travel to get back. so just like the lost era kelvin timeline and ufp timeline have section 31 but mirror universe does not as humans there dont make piece. like quark said humans can be nastier than the most blood thirsty Klingon without a shower root beer soda and memory foam bed and like sarek said in st:enterprise the duality of man is so unmatched they could destroy or unite the galaxy. that means a section 31 show could be all about the start of piece actually started by q and made successful by humans and attacked by time travel and stopped by section 31 with a little help from discovery and time agent Daniels who was also on the enterprise E in star trek first contact and a few times on voyager and the nx-01 enterprise. time agent Daniels will be a key character if the discovery season starting in the 32nd century has daniels again.
instead of a new series in some unknown future I rather would love to see a series about the lost era with the ORIGINAL uniforms
Its one of my absolute hated things, that for every new series they produce new stuff for everything instead of using the already existing (timeline appropiate) things...
Monster Maroons are the best uniforms ever in trek. Fight me
Idk they miss the gold, blue, and red colors that are so iconic and imo feel a little too militaristic. Definitely cool uniforms but not what I think of when I think of Star Trek.
I may be in the minority, but I was always fond of the ST:TMP uniforms. I'll grant that as a way to quickly identify on screen what various background characters are doing, they are lacking, but the subdued color scheme is common to most real world uniforms. About the only place brilliant color schemes would make sense would be a hangar bay or engineering and in that case, we wouldn't have all engineers wearing the same color as is the case in Star Trek.
For that matter, even with the Preservers mucking about with so many species' DNA, it's unlikely that all Federation member races would have identical color vision, so if the point is to make uniforms visually distinctive by task, patterns rather than colors would make far more sense.
@@ernestcline2868 they also wouldnt likely have so many races breathing the same mix of atmospheric gases, but here we are.
Cardasian Border Wars should have been officially eneded before 2266. As TNG s1 was 2264, doesn't make sense that there's no mention of an ongoing war in the first several seasons.
TNG begins in 2364 friend, not 2264
I got bored and decided to see if I have missed anything start trek, so I look up Star Trek and I see this, I am so happy I did.
This was sweet. 😊
Section 31 was a mistake. One of the few things DS9 did wrong.
I wish we could count on the makers of Section 31 relying on Canon but judging from previous Kurtzman Trek I believe we will be disappointed.
Why do you always say U.S. Enterprise and not U.S.S. Enterprise?
Definitely ALOT of material to mine in the Lost Era. Personally I always wanted to see an extended back flash of the....I'm going to butcher the spelling here...Kittomer massacre. Not for the violence, but for the importance of the story. It's mentioned practically every other episode! 😂.
Interesting canon error. Scotty is on board the Enterprise B when Kirk "dies" in 2293, then gets stuck in a transporter beginning in 2294. When the Enterprise D rescues him, he says something like "I should have known. I bet Jim Kirk himself..." But to Scotty, Kirk would have been dead. 🤔
Alot of people suggested that he just was a little dizzy from the long time in the transporter buffer and mixed things up / shortly forgot that Kirk died 😁 the obvious real-world reason being that the TNG-Episode was produced before “Generations“ 😁 By the way: Was it ever explicitly mentioned that he got stuck in the transporter in 2294 in canon? If I remember correctly it was never stated when exactly he ended up in that transporter, other that it obviously happend some time after “Generations“.
Ah (as in "at") - guh-mem-non
You can't mix Discovery timeline with the original. They are 2 different timelines!
Threat. Not "Fret"
Clearly not a B5 fan, or history.
Agamemnon 😂
The so called "Lost Era" shown by *NuTrek?*
No Thanks Bro!
The section 31 show will be just as tras as star trek discovery and just as non cannon.
So it begins. That.. SHOW... has to become apart of Star Trek lore...
The crossover between the Enterprises B to C has potential
Aga-mem-non. In Greek mythology, Agamemnon was a king of Mycenae who commanded the Achaeans during the Trojan War.
Ag-ah-mem-non if they are still struggling :P
Leave the era alone! It makes the TOS movies special and unique.
It'll be great if there's a TV series about the "Lost Era".
The Enterprise B never accomplished much. Captain John Harriman was always taking shore leave to help an old friend of his from school ditch a day at work to just go screw off. I heard Harriman destroyed the Enterprise B after ranting how this time he was really going to show his father. Of course this shameful time period would be kept mostly hidden and classified from Federation Citizens and Star Trek fans.
;-) Gotta love a solid Ferris Bueller reference...
Its actually "canon" from the books that Harriman is from Chicago, and that he has two children named Cameron and Sloane.
Have a feeling that it'll be just another discovery-esk visual reboot/ret-con shoe horned into an era of Trek that already has it's own look, feel and history.
It'll be equivalent to what SNW is to TOS
Would love to see a story where Picards Stargazer meets Garretts Enterprise C.
Would be hard to do a 30 year old Picard when the actor is in his 80's without terrible looking CGI
personal i feel like this lost era would be perfect for a star trek version of star wars tales of the jedi/empire series in animated form where we see some event on screen like the early days of enterprise b and the enterprise c and other event
This needs to happen, paramount take my money.
11:07 I can see why this is fiction. Real world, Harriman would of been relieved of duty for "a loss of confidence in his ability to command". Lose the crew, lose the ship. Six US Navy captains have been relieved of command this year (2024) alone, and its only June. No way in hell would the captain for the flagship of the fleet would still be in command after that fiasco.
Yeah im sure they will do a great job of representing this era, paying special attention to cannon.
Nice to hear someone explaining things and getting on with it without wasting time telling unfunny jokes and using this as stand up,! Your voice is lovely😊
Much as the Lost Era has always intrigued me, I wonder why a fair number of Trek shows since Enterprise have been prequels. Discovery, Strange New Worlds, this upcoming Michelle Yeoh vehicle... Only Picard was set after Voyager ended and even that show spent most of season 2 in the past!
Nostalgia and most of the big bads are dealt with. The Borg are toast. The Romulans are virtually gone. Klingons and the Cardassians aren't a threat anymore.
A series which advances the plot needs to find a new threat. That's a risk and most executives are risk adverse at this point
@@baconpwn well, you can never be sure about the original borg but they are so diminished in the delta? quadrant that yeah no longer a threat for a long time. Same with the romulans though they are slippery so may not be as weak as it seems. Maybe they could do more through the wormhole with the dominion and the breen, the Klingons too are unpredictable. But they could do what the original series did go into deep space investigate things maybe find new enemies there is still a hell of a lot of unknown space. As you say if they got the nerve to do it and the talent and i'm not sure they have either.
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we acctually have 2 lost eras. There is the era between after the Romulan war and federation foundation till the discovery tos era and the enterprise era till tng
And the era between the 25/26 and 32nd
third era now kind of. The era from the Picard (which I believe is around 2399 latest the star trek series went) to the Discovery latter latest era
i forsure love to see the lost era on screen i personal would love hpw the federation would look like what ships they have
A Star Trek series set between TOS and TNG would be cool. Jean-Luc Picard could be a newly qualified ensign fresh from the academy, and Uhura could be the new captain of the Enterprise
I cant wait to see it FILL IN THE GAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agamemnon: Ag(riculture)-uh-mem(ory)-non(dairy)
If you can't pronounce the ship name. Watch B5 Sheridon will teach you. lol
I see three possibilities for the "lost era." The first would be a new series based somewhere in between TOS and TNG. It could include portraying a young Picard and Tuvoc from Voyager. Many possibilities are envisioned. The second option is a mini series laid out in two hour segments over 4 - 5 days much like Roots and put on DVD for distribution. The third option would be a series of movies shown in theaters as well as DVD sales. I personally would prefer a mini series as frankly I believe Star Trek is burned out for yet another series. Give us a good taste but let's not drag it out for God knows how many seasons. I would still like to watch any of the options though.
We could have had the romulan war and NX refit, but NOOOO
A star trek fails show all the doomed federation ship storys
Weird they waited 19 years to make enterprise d after c was lost
Excellent!
Just a bit of help Ag-a-mem-non.
Ag a mim non.
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AG E MEM NON..... simples
aga mem non not difficult ;)
What would be interesting to see is the USS Enterprise-C was never destroyed. The only ship that got destroyed was the Enterprise-D that followed Enterprise-C in the time stream to the past. The Enterprise-C needs to be at the Fleet Museum, next to Enterprise-D....
Since Paramount has been using Star Trek online designs I wonder if the Section 31 project will the feature Georgiou class aka a Variant of the Walker class active around this time
Maybe in the future AI streaming channels will offer a full movie of any book you would like to see. I will choose this books!
A Captain Sulu series would have been great....
You forgot one of the most pivotal events, the Algea Crisis.
3:56, what’s this scene from?
What you need to do is create a time line showing all events that happened in this forgotten era……
Is there going to be a movie that takes place in this forgotten era?
Is there going to be a movie about the Kelvin era and the reboot crew soon?
Are you living under a rock and/or are to dumb to use google?
This era is when they should have done the Starfleet Academy show, not in the 32nd century. They could have done cameos of the younger versions of established characters.
Shows need to have a point besides providing opportunities for cameos of old characters.
@@3of19 Obviously. I was just saying that is something they could have done. Every Star Trek series makes references to older series.
I am sorry for this but I have serious difficulty understanding this narrator. It's Romulan not Womulan. It's Bravery not Bwavewy.
Cardassian not Kardashian
I don't mind leaving it lost especially with Takei.
Captain Sulu was criminally underused
@@pauloricardo-wn6ps he shouldn't have been used at all.
I love the explanation you gave for the Lost Era. There are so many events in the original next generation that I would love to have seen or love to see.
Unfortunately I'm not a fan of the new Star Trek, so don't all come for me. I would love to have seen the romulan war, which Braga had said that the script was already done for the 5th season and that was going to be the main focus and CBS had to cancel it which was a huge mistake.
To me, section 31 has always been a wonderful mystery. Something to keep you thinking all the time. So a section 31 movie is not for me. I don't want to see it because I want to keep that mystery, And luckily, since I've never watched Discovery or any of the other new shows, I still have that wonderful mystery feeling of section 31 not ever knowing what it truly truly is. That's what I loved about how they portrayed 31 in deep space nine when one of them met with Dr. Bashir.
But if anyone can point me in the direction of all the different books that would fill in all the different errors that are lost that we didn't get to see during the next generation or the original or deep space 9 voyage or even Enterprise. Please feel free to throw it to me cuz I would love to just sit down and read countless hours of Star Trek. Thank you and thank you for your video.