So, It Runs Windows XP?! - Open Labs Miko - Hands on in 2022
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- So, It Runs Windows XP?! - Open Labs Miko - Hands on in 2022
Lets take a look at this Open Labs Miko Timbaland Special Edition music workstation from 2008. I don't remember seeing or hearing much about this type of product back in the day. Basically, this is a music workstation that is powered by an Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 CPU 4Gb of RAM and 32 bit Windows XP!
Specs:
Timbaland Special Edition MiKo
37-key
All of the features of the MiKo LX4 plus 4GB RAM
Core2Quad© Quad-core 64-bits (2.4GHz)
EMU-Ensoniq ASR10
ASRX library
QWERTY
Special Arctic White color
Here in 2022, I'd say this now qualifies as a vintage PC. For the time however, I believe the specs were pretty impressive.
This unit came with a lot of pre-installed VSTs, like EMU Proteus X Composer, Mo Phatt, Virtuoso and much more.
Index:
0:00:00 Intro
0:00:22 Hardware Overview
0:01:27 PC Specs
0:02:00 Reboot and Startup
0:02:59 Open Labs Shell
0:04:49 Sounds
0:08:27 DAW - REAPER
0:08:57 Additional Software
0:12:11 Tutorials and Manuals
0:12:00 Karsyn
0:13:27 More Help
0:13:58 Utilities
0:16:02 Windows XP Desktop
0:16:44 My plans for the Miko
0:18:16 My opinion Pros/Cons
0:20:20 Windows XP Shutdown
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#MusicWorkstation
#Windows
#MFusion
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#Synthesizer
#Timbaland
I love these machines. I was able to purchase a Neko XXL used by Mike Shinoda of Linkin Park on tour and was just amazed by it. So much fun to use and infinite possibilities since it's a full on PC. I'm upgrading a Timbaland Neko with 12th gen Intel i7 and Windows 10 for my church and my keyboard player could not be more excited!
Big fan of Hybrid Theory album for sure.
would you happen to have the drivers for neko xxl i need em bad
What an interesting and fun synth! Thank you so much for sharing it with us. :)
My pleasure! Thank you for watching 😁
Proteus X was an awesome plugin back in the day, it still provides great sounds especially synth ones.
Indeed!! Is quite good emulation of my hardware Proteus with a much better UI 😁
Funny. I just fired up my old XP machine with Proteus VX on it. All the ROMS are available on the way back machine. Pretty much the same thing, only in one box with a keyboard and audio interface. It's neat. Would love to have one, but they really hold their price.
Great video, Now Iwant one !
They're super cool!
Great Vid Marshall.. I'd never seen one before?
Hey Cymon! Yeah, me either pretty wild! There is a bigger version also called the Neko, I'd love to get one of those but they don't come up for auction as much.
hey @Cymon 66 yeah these guys used to cost over $5k - I also found a cheap one a few years ago and they are a lot of fun, albeit a bit of a time capsule in PC tech 🙂 but you have a Synclavier setup so you know about that
The Muse Receptor I have is way more powerful (similar concept in a rack) - it came out before the Miko
lots of great plugins of E-mu classic stuff though
the singer of Korn used to take one on the road to work on album stuff in-between tour gigs
Lil Jon was shilling for them for a while too - funny video of him trying to do a live demo
What are your recommendations on getting the windows upgraded? I've been trying to think of someone to assist with installation. Do you think Geek Squad could help?
Cool. Draws some parallels with Sm-Pro V-machine, although here it is a windows PC on steroids and V-machine is a Linux mini-PC with wine (windows emulation). I used Proteus X and I was surprised how cool it sounds, but I found it somewhat buggy or tricky to use, don't remember the exact reasons.
Yo Graywolf! Absolutely, especially the Karsyn application reminded me of the V-machine. I'd love to get one of those eventually to mess around with. The Proteus X I agree sounds pretty good but was a pain to use, so much so that I ended up just buying a real Proteus 2000 eventually lol and that thing is no picnic to program either, but at least it works correctly!
hey Oleg @graywolf2004ru yeah i have one of those SM Pro Audio VMachines along with a Miko - the VMachine was cool but underpowered :-) The Muse Receptor I have is way more powerful - it came out before the Miko
What do you mean Proteus X is only 32 bit? I have the Proteus X plugin and it’s definitely 64 bit and runs fine in Ableton Live 11.
I recently thought about trading it in for the new Roland phantom-0 but it’s no better than the Openlabs instruments because the Openlabs machines are upgradable as long as desktop parts exist
Indeed, the fact that this uses PC parts made me comfortable with this. Upgrading a PC is no sweat!
Usually a help manual was included as software on all OL models. The only things that are not really upgradeable with the OL boards is the Firebox due to the chipset. Lots of latency blips with the never firebox released. OL shipped boards with cheap chinese RAM so notorious crashes and system errors were the norm right from the factory. Swap the RAM for crucial ballistics RAM and youre good to go! The keybeds are also known to have issues with the sensors. The fatar keys accept alesis keybed sensors to replace them. Cloning the Western Digital HD to an SSD is a must and keeping the original WDHD as a backup system restore disk is also a must. Many people tried to upgrade to win 10 but the drivers made for these in 10 werent as solid as the XP or Win7 drivers. The Sandybridge processes were decent and really shine with the RAM upgrades. Also upgrading to HDMI from DVI is possible as well as USB 3 (blue tip). Bottom line....these boards are incredibly powerfull and still beat everything in the market. Ive had my Neko since 2012 and with my i9 motherboard, 2 1tb samsung SSD, 32gRAM conversion, nothing on the market can beat what it does.
Can you help with upgrades? Mine crashes on boot up.
@@hotstepper1734 Swap that off-band RAM out for new ram! That's probably the issue
I just so happen to do a search on Miko repairs and found you.
Hope this was helpful, though in my case, re-seating the RAM dims brought this back to life. Since though I made a second video about upgrading the internals. Now running Win 10 and modern software. Is awesome!
I would guess the touch screen drivers for windows 10 will be the hardest part to get going? Or sourcing perhaps a newer one?
Actually already have this thing working with newer hardware and Windows 10. The touch screen was actually the easy part. The tuff part was finding the mFusion application wich is needed for the drivers for the controllers. But, some guys helped get me what I needed the Neko/MIKO FB GROUP and helped me get it up and running. Update vid coming soon 😎👍
@@MarshalArnold man I had to upgrade my mc5 to windows 10 and my midi doesn’t work anymore please help🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
@@MarshalArnold i am THIRSTY for that app. is it in the files section of the group? (clearly i’m in the wrong miko group)
What a bizarre contraption :o Are you going to try and keep the GUI shell over explorer.exe if you upgrade the whole OS?
Yo Wagoo! I won't be able to retain the Open Labs Shell once I swap out the hard drive and throw in my other system's motherboard. Is totally cool though as mostly the new guts will be to run Ableton 11 and use it as the DSP/mixer for the live setup. Really the only thing I'm worried about is whether I can get the proprietary controllers to work.. But I'm pretty sure I'll be successful.
im tryin to get my miko to connect onto the net , but internet explorer isnt actin right , pages wont load properly and just sits and does nothin , i want toput chrome on it so i can download drums and samples ...but i get nothin
Not sure how much I trust XP in a live setting! That is a cool integrated box, however. Reaper has massive community support.
Lol me either, I'll be working to get this running with Win 10 on much newer Internal PC parts.
@@MarshalArnold good luck with thhe proprietary drivers for the panels!
Thanks to the guys on the Neko Facebook group I was able to get ahold of the M-Fusion installer which loads the drivers. Have to boot into safe mode and disable driver signature verification temporarily, but other then that was no problem. Miko now rocking modern hardware and works like a champ 🏆 👍
@@MarshalArnolddid you make an update video about the upgrades?
I did indeed, see here ua-cam.com/video/gJZ8n7vt8s8/v-deo.htmlsi=8gJL68iW2GFP2Jxy
quick correction, the NeKo 64 and others were actually larger with a bigger keybed
MiKo was designed to be "portable" such as it is :-) portable for 2003 but not now
Jonathan Davis from Korn used to cart his MiKo around during a tour and compose new album stuff in his off time - I saw some footage of him with it on a bed in a hotel room working on stuff
they are a fun piece of music tech history though, and Mimik was supposed to be awesome compared to Sample Robot (Redmatica) - I suppose YMMV 🙂
cool video though, thanks
Yo SynthAddict! Oh yeah, I'd love to get one of the Niko units, but they seem to be a bit more difficult to get ahold of for a decent price in good cosmetic condition. I could see me getting one perhaps, but this little Miko is absolutely filling a need I have so I'll keep on using it !
I use mine with fm8, awesome.
Why would anyone buy this
@@Bigjuggs64 same reason someone would buy a minmoog with no presets. And 3 octaves. Just because......
I bought one specifically for live performances. Since it houses standard PC components it's easier to setup and get going for live use. No additional cabling for display, mouse/keyboard ect. Have swapped the internals for more modern hardware and am running modern versions of Ableton and various plugins.
How's the latency?
neko xxl drivers by any chance?? im working on one but its windows 10 ...T_T
i still have my LX5. I wish it cold be restored.
I have the lxd model with everything in it and on it with over twenty thousand sounds
Can it be upgradable by changing the motherboard and processor as well.
Indeed, I plan to do just that!
Hey marshal I have a neko xxl and I need to upgrade from windows 7
Most of the plugins sound thin, drums are fatter. Sampling and reason are decent, can be very cumbersome in 2023, but well built upgradable and cool as heck.
Do they have any new keyboards like this
Unfortunately no, these OpenLabs workstations are no longer produced. There was another company that up till Covid I think was making something similar, but they no longer make their version either. That said, im pretty sure some of the more modern Korg workstations use a PC based setup, but probably running some flavor of Linux with their own UI so not Windows based as far as I know.
The closest new device I've seen to this in 2024 is the Akai MPC Key 37.
I used to have an Open Labs Neko back in 2011 and loved it but thought it was too expensive to not come with much software and still have to make the DAW recognize the built in midi devices manually...
I don't have the MPC I mentioned but from what I've learned of it so far is it has a custom OS and all built in features function out of the box. 🤷🏾♂️
Can you connect this to a large montior.
Yup, there's a VGA output on the back.
I’m about to sue victor Wong and press criminal charges the old co founder. I can see from personal experience why the company separated from him….
ANALOG IS THE BEST. IT SOUNDS THIN.
So you like grand pianos? Theres no such thing as a digital keyboard that is analog...
@@gullcreekstudio1391 DIGITAL VS ANALOG
Bro it's TIMBALAND edition not Timberland. Respect the legend
I had it right in part of the description, lol. Let me fix that other typo. Totally missed that. No disrespect intended. Thnx!
Lol
"Timbaland" is just the AAVE way of saying "Tim-BER-land."
@@TheTillmanSneakerReview Timbaland is how the producer's name is spelled (and pronounced, without ''r'').
What would of really been awesome is if it were Mac OS X with an ableton push built in this company had so
Much potential but the price point was to high and the average consumer couldn’t afford it
Victor wong which was an originator of OL actually left the company and started his own called MusicComputing. The released the StudioBlade series which had a license from Apple to use their software but the company folded.
i wanna buy this bc windows xp lol
Translator is for reading and converting old disks that are in Akai Roland Emu format.
Thanks for the info, I came into music production at a time when samplers were built into a DAW so I have zero experience with hardware samplers and their proprietary formats, but this makes total sense. Much appreciate the clarification.
are you selling it
No plans to sell. I use it quite often.
I actually have a one with windows 10 on it that has a i7
But I need to upgrade the hard drive to solid state. Do you have instructions on how to swap to SSD
For mine I cloned the original drive using Samsung's cloning software for its SSDs.
🤔🤔basically its the same as a computer with a midi controller and a bunch of vsts
Pretty much!