This car was a good deal, but not as good as downloading the FREE Upside App at upside.app.link/SAMCRAC to get an extra 25 cents back for every gallon on your first tank of gas.
I saw one Advertised not that long ago for around 9. Don't know if it was a clean title. Kind of wish I had bought it. You should probably call Alex to take this apart. I wonder if this thing was a garage Queen I haven't seen those gatorbacks in 10 years maybe more & they look new
Sam, Matt Carriker from the Off the Ranch and Demolition Ranch YT channels is selling his ZR1. You should give that cae a consideration for your collection.
Sam-That was an unabashedly brutal way to end the video: how dare you?!? That 1990's vibe from the vette must have awakened a cliff hanger ending to a favorite weekly TV series! Please post again soon.
I've been in the 12Volt automotive business for 30 years. You'll more than likely need the value of the original key chip to be able to disable the Vats system. I would think the dealer may be able to give you the proper value if they can run the vin, then there are multiple ways to disable it. If I can be of any help let me know. It's pretty simple and I'm sure there's plenty of info online. Good luck with the whole project!
There are 15 different values in the VATS system (meaning 15 different resistors), if you try one and it's a "no start" it takes 3 mins for the system to reset before trying the next value. In other words it will take 45 min approx to go through all 15 values. If you do them back to back to back the system will never reset and it will never start. It's always one of the last values you try, just murphys law.
Hopefully he can get the proper resistors and pair up what he needs. He'll also need a relay to do it correctly or geuss he could use the easy way. I figured GM would be able to pull up the value with his Vin #, but maybe not.
@@StonerCreek74 I was able to do that with my 2000 firebird that had the VATS style. The vin will give you the correct key cut (unless the ignition had been replaced with something different.)
we have a '91 ZR1 in the family, have owned it for over 20 years. I have disabled VATS, changed fuel pumps (there are 2) and done other light maintenance, and the car is driven regularly. Really excited about this series!
Sam, as past owner of a very early 1990 ZR1, the interior looks great. I don't think the interior took much water if any. A lot of the interior didn't hold up as well as the drive train and chassis. One problem I had that was recurring was the fuel injectors. I didn't drive it much as it was my toy. But I had to replace injectors a few times to get through emissions testing. Since it's been about 20 years now, I don't recall if it was the primary or secondary injectors that would stick open. I remember getting the injector rail setup for cleaning. But that didn't seem to help once the injectors started sticking. Looking back at my time with the ZR1, it a fun car. The horsepower rating seemed to be very understated. Judging that from cars I've owned, before and after it.
I worked as a gm mechanic for 20 years there is a special tool called a vats integrator that will tell what key number you need to get to cut off your master key that came with your new cylinder
Only other thing you would have to tackle is, the key that unlock the full power of the ZR1. That is something to think about after you get the ZR1 up and running.
Matt from demolition ranch just made a video today about putting his 91 ZR1 up for sale. He had an extra motor that came in it that he might still have around. Worth a shot to reach out if you end up needing a replacement engine.
You're killing me with the ending videos dude. I say 65K on the odometer. I'm glad you drained the water and the oil was pushed up. Can't wait to see what happens!!
Oh yeah Sam, it is very easy to re program the VATS system, I have about 30 years experience and was a GM design engineer for the system back in the day. All that you have to do is..............
Have you dealt with vats. there are 15 resistor values. You can get a 10k ohm 15 turn pot. Hook to the first and second lead. Not the first and third. Clip to the original vats cable from the ignition switch so its can be unplugged and the resistance adjusted to the next value. Wait 4 minutes and try again. With that value you replace the ignition lock cylinder with a vats lock take the resistance value and the new plain key to the lock shop to cut the proper vats blank with the new plain key depths.
Electronics have life. Amazing. Looking forward to the next chapter, Sam. Thanks. Back in the eighties, a locksmith was able to cut a new key from the VIN.
When I drained my crank case after the flood, it was nothing but water gushing, and it overfilled my pan, I thought it was going to make a giant mess; however, since all the oil was on top, the oil was the last thing to come out and it displaced the water so I ended up with water spilling over and the oil trapped perfectly in the pan
I do absolutely respect you Sam you’re probably the first car guy I have ever subscribed to his channel! Although I’ve been avoiding your videos when they come out because of the endings it’s always a cut to make the viewers wonder for the next episode at end. I don’t know if you will ever pay attention to my comment but if you did please do consider we used to expect a video with the process of the day complete not just leave us hanging! With all the respect and love man 🌹
Seriously. Not a cool way to treat loyal subscribers. If you put out quality videos we will return to watch the next one. This isn't HBO. We don't need cliffhangers. I'm a bit annoyed.
You guys need to chill, Sam needs money to make this content. You can't expect him to spend hours and hours of his time to make content for free. I am happy to wait, and eager to see his next video. Quit your moaning. Sam - ignore these guys comments. They're definitely a minority of your viewers, and obviously aren't accustomed to the fact that much of owning and fixing luxury cars is a waiting game.
I'm not quite sure when GM started using those chipped keys, but I do know the ZR-1 came with two. One for "full power" and a "valet key" that turned the power down to half. So it may be possible that this is supposed to have the chipped ones.
@@valengreymoon5623 yea only if you bypass the vats system. I have a 95 lt1 camaro and i kept my vats. You need to test the ohms on the key's chip and check the reading and match it to the the 16 keys they have to make extra copies of the key.
I love the C4 ZR1, King of the hill was an apt nickname as it kicked everythings arse when it was new, Just wish Chev sent them to Australia, but we missed pout on this beastie,. You have to rebuild it mate, it is a modern legend. Top stuff Sam.
I remember reading in the early days of VATS a car audio installer soldered in a resistor of the proper value somewhere in the car in order to be able to install a remote start devise. That's something to think about if you don't want to order a new ignition switch once you figure out which resistor you need. You would give up any security the VATS offered though.
So awesome, my dream one day is to own a turquoise ZR1. Those GM columns can be confusing, but easy once you understand them. GM and Jeep used the same ones for decades.
Is there a reason you didn't just go to the dealer and have them make a key from the VIN? I've done that a number of times and on older cars it's fairly inexpensive and fast. I recently did that for a 2014 chevy truck I bought from Copart. The chipped key was 50 and the cut was 50. The dealer told me how to program it to the truck. Worked perfectly. Then as I started cleaning the truck, I found a key under the front seat that would have worked! Darn!
You should get a golf cart with a toolbox on board to go from the barn to the cars with everything you need on board, chemicals, jump packs, jacks, drinks, and it can tow in a pinch. Saves lots of time going back and forth too. Plus good spot to mount cameras on.
My dad worked for gm dealer in the service department for a long time. my 99 T/A also has this vats system and for what i can remember for what he told me that 15 resistors are programmed for VATS. I remember him saying that 4ish of them being specific to the corvettes. i can double check with him but i do know people disable the vats system a lot on the older gm stuff. i know he still has a bunch of blank keys with the resistors in them somewhere cause the dealership got closed in 08.
I still remember my dad bringing home 2 different ZR1's from the GM proving grounds when I was a kid, a red one and a green one. Somewhere there is a picture of me sitting on the back of the red one, I need to find it! The C4 ZR1 was the coolest car of my childhood and I hope to own one some day -- even though any modern Corvette make the C4 seem primitive! Looking forward to the rest of this video series!
Very underrated car. Can't wait to see it run. Good call with the diesel in the sump. Check the intake and gas tank for water . Love the 80s style buck Rodger style interior in those c4's.
Good call on the intake. A friend back in college went through some water, but did not hydro lock. That is until he pulled the plugs, got the water out of the cylinders and then started it with water in the intake. Engine was toast, and we had just changed it the previous year.
@@kalamazoo-Fcar Maybe it's different with the Corvette but my grandmother was able to get a new key for her 2013 Hyundai Elantra after she lost the only key she had and the mobile locksmith was able to cut and program a new key just from the VIN.
@kalamazoo-Fcar the old key isn't required. I worked 22 years at an auto auction and we received cars in constantly without keys. We had a company on-site that made keys including the ones that required the chip. They had the equipment to read the onboard computer to cut and program replacement GM keys. They made all of our keys with the exception of exotics. Most of those to include Porsche, required the vehicle be returned to a dealership and to include proof of ownership. And, Porsche keys ran 2K!!!
@@joe212 yes in the BCM you cant just meter the wires, so without a original key to read off of they can't know it, This is why you have to go through the trying of each of those resisters he had in his hand until you get a winner. I just did this on a ZR-1 I bought without keys. Even GM doesn't know what resistance you need they used to have a box that read the keys to make new ones but nothing to read the car.
Sam get a transponder key for it then all you do is turn ignition on till dash lights up leave for 10 minutes then turn off turn on for 10 more minutes then turn off then turn on for 10 more minutes then turn off. key is then programmed no scanner required cylinder 1 and 8 squirt some marvel mystery oil in them and let sit overnight put some walmart oil in it and crank it over new plugs and then send it cheers from down under
Why not go to a GM dealer with your ownership and VIN and have them cut a replacement key with the correct resistance? You are going to need a key for the 2nd “full power” key cylinder anyway. You should dump the diesel and try filling the crank case with some evaporust…your bearings have been sitting in a salt water bath for who knows how long. Love the color of your ZR1
Evaporust won't lubricate the seals... Could potentially harden it more... Diesel is oil based, which can assist in softening them, if they're not shot...
Great gamble on the ZR1, can remember watching 2 of these go into a shredder in the early 90's, the cars were brought out to Australia to evaluate, after 1 year they had to go back or be destroyed, I believe it wasn't worth sending them back to the states so they both went into the shredder, one of the saddest things I've ever seen, Rj in Oz
Some speculation about where the water came from. Before you dump the pan, it might be interesting to verify the water is salt and not fresh. Makes a big difference...
You won’t have to program anything. All that “chip” is, is a resistor so you just have to have a dealer run the VIN and get the resistor value then they sell you a key with the right resistance. Or under the dash where the VATS wires are you can jumper the correct resistance resistor and leave it then never deal with it again. I had the VATS wires break in the tilt column of my 1989 Firebird and bypassed it all for remote starts.
I own a C4 ZR1 1995 and 1993 LT1 6spd convertible . For the VATS there is a resistor chip in the key . Chevy can tell you based on the VIN and production # exactly what resistance # it is. Value is 1 through 10. You can buy the appropriate key with the correct resistance chip from Ecklers corvette or Corvette Mods. Then have the keys cut.
14:33 yeah I would have just called a licenced locksmith for $100 and got new keys made. One thing about the water line in the engine: if it was parked nose down that would explain water in the engine and not in the interior...
Sam I don't know when this happened, tho just get a new key (and Chip) from the dealer...and that will save you so much faffing with the security in time alone...And these quirky cars are great, this is something we can all really get into...There was a black TVR in the same lot I think...Definitely worth a shot, really pretty, reallt rare and quite fast (really fast with a few mods) great vid as always...
I’ve bypassed my vats in my 98 Trans Am. I live by Copart in Riverview so, if you’re out this way I can help. Your going to need to know what ohms the key chip resistor. Another issue is since you have the steering wheel apart check for wobble.
I'm more impressed by the ZR1 than the Ferrari next to it. I remember the uproar ZR1 owners made when Chevy made the rear end of a "normal" Corvette have the squared off ZR1 tail lights. At its time the ZR1 was the slightly more affordable supercar that caused jaws to hit the floor at its raw power. I hope you can bring this beauty back to life.
I'm not certain in this case, but with old 2stroke outboards, if they ever went overboard or got dunked, you wanted to get them ashore, remove water from the tank and carb and fire them up as soon as possible. The heat from the running motor is your friend.
I live in the UK and I saw one of these the other day I couldn’t believe it. Definitely my favourite shape ever made absolutely love them I hope I can own one eventually 🥲
If you go to a GM dealer with the vin number they will give you a printout with the exact resistance chip you need to make the car run. I believe there was 19 different resistance types
phok off for the cliff hanger ending... i was gonna come back for part two but now i feel like missing out just to pay you back for the that... enjoy the vids keep em coming...
VATS had 15 different resistor values in the keys. You can defeat the system by jumping the orange wires on the column to complete the circuit that would go through the key. We used to have to measure the resister in the key for remote starters. should be easy to get the value via the vin from chevy.
Keep the old lock cylinder so you can cut the connector and a pugtail from it. That way you can kill the VATS without cutting the harness. Also, on some of these old GM computers you can get a PROM with the VATS disabled.
When you figure out the value of your particular VATS key, leave it in the on position and tape the lock cylinder to the main harness under the dash and then put a traditional non VATS lock cylinder in the column. The VATS cylinders are notorious for the wires chafing and breaking inside the column. As stated previously in another comment, there are indeed 15 different values and there is a 3 minute reset unless you disconnect the battery in between each value test. Rather than pay $30 per cut key to test, I would call a locksmith out and have them read it and cut 1 key. That will save you some money and a headache.
Or go to a Chevy dealer with proof of ownership and have them cut the correct key from the VIN. This seemed the first and easiest solution, in my mind.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH Most dealers don't have old VATS machines anymore, nor do they even stock the chipped keys. I know none of my local GM dealerships are equipped to accommodate old VATS equipped vehicles anymore. Once Obsolete Parts Program discontinues production of a part, aftermarket is the exclusive line of support.
@@Samcrac man you got me on the edge of my seat for the miles haha. I actually work at this location and i remember seeing this corvette definitely was a eye catcher!
I had a regular 94 Vette for a while and loved it. Yeah cheap plastics everywhere but it was a lot of fun. I really enjoy this rescue! Hope you can get the real deal back to life
I think there are 15 or 12 diferent key values. Got to try each one with 5 minutes intervals until you get the correct one. When tou get the right one the security light will turn off. Mind you that the security light has two funtions. One is for the vats when ign switch is on. And the other with the ign switch off is to let you know if the factory alarm is on or off. Flashing is off. Steady in on. You would need the door key to turn it off. So be carefull when using the power locks as them turn the sistem on or off before you get the door key. Nice car i have the same car just not zr1. Wana trade😄
RE: the Americannesss of the LT-5 engine, although it was designed by Lotus, the engines were made by Mercury Marine in Stillwater, Oklahoma. There was a marine version of the engine, too...🙂
someone mentioned a using the vin for finding the key code - I have also seen some manufacturers stamp a key code on the drivers door cylinder (not sure about Chevy). - learned that trick from a locksmith when my key was to worn to cut a new one from.
with out the keys I hope you can get them made because the ZR1 has the GM version of VTEC that makes all that power with out the keys all you have is a normal running Corvette.
You never had to change the ignition cylinder to get the mileage off of the car. Just needed the battery and turn on the headlights to display the mileage. You are on the right track with getting the Vats sorted. The system will time out on every error, so count on an hour or so of cycling through resistance values. GM does have a tool called a VATS interrogator which is pretty slick. With a water level that high, my concern other than the engine, trans and diff, is going to be the bulkhead connection on the driver side behind the battery at the firewall. Everything else other than a few sensors, you are above the water line. If you do get to the point of shelving the project, please reach out. I can give it a second life on the track. Conversely, I've got 3 engines sitting in the garage if you need to change out One of the other red cars you spoke of at the auction is back up for sale in California. I think the guy got in over his head and is trying to dump it and can't.
Lookup a remote start install for the car. Had to do it with an older chevy s10 to trick it into thinking a key was in the ignition. Just tested different resistors untill i had the correct one.
I’ve bought 2 cars and 3 boats from the IAAI auction in fort Myers from the flood of hurricane Ian all of them just had to pull the plugs, on the cars change the starter shoot the water/oil out the combustion chamber replace with new plugs new oil and it’s ready. good deals come out of those auctions
I’m thinking it’s a low mileage car, due to the Goodyear Gatorbacks. I think it was ‘92 or ‘93 when Chevy switch to the Goodyear GS-C. So it may still have factory rubber.
Sam... you are an arse! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I was so engrossed I wasn't watching the video timer and then... no odometer reading! 😂 Great video... cant wait for the next!
You should go ahead and replace the crank shaft bearings, they have been sitting in water for a long time and will lock up soon so just replace them and save yourself a heartache.
You need to measure the resistance of the VATS on the factory key and match it in order to turn over the ignition. So trial and error with the resisters.
This car was a good deal, but not as good as downloading the FREE Upside App at upside.app.link/SAMCRAC to get an extra 25 cents back for every gallon on your first tank of gas.
Matt Carriker from Demolition ranch is selling his C4 ZR1. Get in contact with him. It already runs.
You look like a professional .
Yall need to remind people during these Upside reads, it only works with PARTICIPATING gas stations. And those can be hard to find
I saw one Advertised not that long ago for around 9. Don't know if it was a clean title. Kind of wish I had bought it. You should probably call Alex to take this apart.
I wonder if this thing was a garage Queen I haven't seen those gatorbacks in 10 years maybe more & they look new
Sam,
Matt Carriker from the Off the Ranch and Demolition Ranch YT channels is selling his ZR1. You should give that cae a consideration for your collection.
Sam-That was an unabashedly brutal way to end the video: how dare you?!? That 1990's vibe from the vette must have awakened a cliff hanger ending to a favorite weekly TV series! Please post again soon.
He did it to us yesterday also.. or can be a blessing or curse . Viewers might return or not.
@@moosc On the plus side, didn't have to wait 3 weeks between videos 🤣
@@robertlowe9432 so very true..
Downright cruel. But I understand.
I literally just said: "You BITCH" when that happened. 😂
I've been in the 12Volt automotive business for 30 years. You'll more than likely need the value of the original key chip to be able to disable the Vats system. I would think the dealer may be able to give you the proper value if they can run the vin, then there are multiple ways to disable it. If I can be of any help let me know. It's pretty simple and I'm sure there's plenty of info online. Good luck with the whole project!
There are 15 different values in the VATS system (meaning 15 different resistors), if you try one and it's a "no start" it takes 3 mins for the system to reset before trying the next value. In other words it will take 45 min approx to go through all 15 values. If you do them back to back to back the system will never reset and it will never start. It's always one of the last values you try, just murphys law.
It's always the last value you try...
Hopefully he can get the proper resistors and pair up what he needs. He'll also need a relay to do it correctly or geuss he could use the easy way. I figured GM would be able to pull up the value with his Vin #, but maybe not.
@@StonerCreek74 I was able to do that with my 2000 firebird that had the VATS style. The vin will give you the correct key cut (unless the ignition had been replaced with something different.)
@@mikeerin5031 unless you're an idiot and keep trying after you get the right value.. :P
Absolutely accurate.
we have a '91 ZR1 in the family, have owned it for over 20 years. I have disabled VATS, changed fuel pumps (there are 2) and done other light maintenance, and the car is driven regularly. Really excited about this series!
Sam, as past owner of a very early 1990 ZR1, the interior looks great. I don't think the interior took much water if any. A lot of the interior didn't hold up as well as the drive train and chassis.
One problem I had that was recurring was the fuel injectors. I didn't drive it much as it was my toy. But I had to replace injectors a few times to get through emissions testing. Since it's been about 20 years now, I don't recall if it was the primary or secondary injectors that would stick open. I remember getting the injector rail setup for cleaning. But that didn't seem to help once the injectors started sticking.
Looking back at my time with the ZR1, it a fun car. The horsepower rating seemed to be very understated. Judging that from cars I've owned, before and after it.
I worked as a gm mechanic for 20 years there is a special tool called a vats integrator that will tell what key number you need to get to cut off your master key that came with your new cylinder
Only other thing you would have to tackle is, the key that unlock the full power of the ZR1. That is something to think about after you get the ZR1 up and running.
Matt from demolition ranch just made a video today about putting his 91 ZR1 up for sale. He had an extra motor that came in it that he might still have around. Worth a shot to reach out if you end up needing a replacement engine.
no Matt sold that original motor
You're killing me with the ending videos dude. I say 65K on the odometer. I'm glad you drained the water and the oil was pushed up. Can't wait to see what happens!!
Oh yeah Sam, it is very easy to re program the VATS system, I have about 30 years experience and was a GM design engineer for the system back in the day. All that you have to do is..............
You're better than that Sam! You don't need to pull "Rich Rebuilds" kind of crap to get us to watch your videos!😂😂
Have you dealt with vats. there are 15 resistor values. You can get a 10k ohm 15 turn pot. Hook to the first and second lead. Not the first and third. Clip to the original vats cable from the ignition switch so its can be unplugged and the resistance adjusted to the next value. Wait 4 minutes and try again. With that value you replace the ignition lock cylinder with a vats lock take the resistance value and the new plain key to the lock shop to cut the proper vats blank with the new plain key depths.
Dude, this one got me! Being a "Domestic" car fan when you turned the key and the screen obscured, I felt like the kid who didn't get their ice cream!
Electronics have life. Amazing. Looking forward to the next chapter, Sam. Thanks. Back in the eighties, a locksmith was able to cut a new key from the VIN.
someone have the two keys
That was a Cruel way to end the Video, You better have part 3 up tomorrow LOL
When I drained my crank case after the flood, it was nothing but water gushing, and it overfilled my pan, I thought it was going to make a giant mess; however, since all the oil was on top, the oil was the last thing to come out and it displaced the water so I ended up with water spilling over and the oil trapped perfectly in the pan
I like this project. Probably my favorite of all your content so far IMHO. I hope it works out well for you.
I do absolutely respect you Sam you’re probably the first car guy I have ever subscribed to his channel! Although I’ve been avoiding your videos when they come out because of the endings it’s always a cut to make the viewers wonder for the next episode at end. I don’t know if you will ever pay attention to my comment but if you did please do consider we used to expect a video with the process of the day complete not just leave us hanging! With all the respect and love man 🌹
Seriously. Not a cool way to treat loyal subscribers. If you put out quality videos we will return to watch the next one. This isn't HBO. We don't need cliffhangers. I'm a bit annoyed.
@@moralchrtr It's all for the money.
@@moralchrtr facts shits annoying
You guys need to chill, Sam needs money to make this content.
You can't expect him to spend hours and hours of his time to make content for free. I am happy to wait, and eager to see his next video.
Quit your moaning.
Sam - ignore these guys comments. They're definitely a minority of your viewers, and obviously aren't accustomed to the fact that much of owning and fixing luxury cars is a waiting game.
@@Trenscendent You're delusional.
I'm not quite sure when GM started using those chipped keys, but I do know the ZR-1 came with two. One for "full power" and a "valet key" that turned the power down to half. So it may be possible that this is supposed to have the chipped ones.
They introduced chip keys in 1985, for the Corvettes they started in 1986.
@@ns5337 Makes me wonder if it will start without the chip then. I'm guessing not.
@@valengreymoon5623 yea only if you bypass the vats system. I have a 95 lt1 camaro and i kept my vats. You need to test the ohms on the key's chip and check the reading and match it to the the 16 keys they have to make extra copies of the key.
The valet key that inserts into the console disabled (or enabled) the 2nd set of fuel injectors. VATS is not applicable to that key.
I remember seeing on one at my dealership with a little plaque that said do not turn on in city driving next to the full power/valet key.
I love the C4 ZR1, King of the hill was an apt nickname as it kicked everythings arse when it was new, Just wish Chev sent them to Australia, but we missed pout on this beastie,. You have to rebuild it mate, it is a modern legend. Top stuff Sam.
All that water, imagine how clean the inside of your engine is now 😊
I remember reading in the early days of VATS a car audio installer soldered in a resistor of the proper value somewhere in the car in order to be able to install a remote start devise. That's something to think about if you don't want to order a new ignition switch once you figure out which resistor you need. You would give up any security the VATS offered though.
Thanks for all the great videos Sam! Love getting off work and relaxing with one of your vids :)
So awesome, my dream one day is to own a turquoise ZR1. Those GM columns can be confusing, but easy once you understand them. GM and Jeep used the same ones for decades.
Not all flood cars had salt water from Ian, central Florida had lots of rain water that flooded Orlando to nort port area.
Is there a reason you didn't just go to the dealer and have them make a key from the VIN? I've done that a number of times and on older cars it's fairly inexpensive and fast. I recently did that for a 2014 chevy truck I bought from Copart. The chipped key was 50 and the cut was 50. The dealer told me how to program it to the truck. Worked perfectly. Then as I started cleaning the truck, I found a key under the front seat that would have worked! Darn!
Or pay a locksmith to come out for 100 bucks and do it. That's what I did. which included reprogramming new key fobs for my 2001
There is a reason, he's a moron who likes to fuck everything up
Just the time savings would have been worth the trip.
my first idea was this or a mobile smith. Last thing would have been doing what he did. Im all about easy
Sometimes people are so cheap it costs them more!
I want to see more of the ZR1 looking forward to this series!
You should get a golf cart with a toolbox on board to go from the barn to the cars with everything you need on board, chemicals, jump packs, jacks, drinks, and it can tow in a pinch. Saves lots of time going back and forth too.
Plus good spot to mount cameras on.
He could revive the pizza car for this duty!
Time for a second lift???? 🙂
He has (or used to have) a golf cart?
Or a mobility scooter - might be cheaper.
@@nojustno242 need more likes. Cmon Sam make this happen!
On C4 Corvette’s you don’t need the key to see the odometer. All you have to do is turn on the headlight switch and it will display the odometer.
3 vids in 4 days...yes you are on the right track !
My dad worked for gm dealer in the service department for a long time. my 99 T/A also has this vats system and for what i can remember for what he told me that 15 resistors are programmed for VATS. I remember him saying that 4ish of them being specific to the corvettes. i can double check with him but i do know people disable the vats system a lot on the older gm stuff. i know he still has a bunch of blank keys with the resistors in them somewhere cause the dealership got closed in 08.
Happiness is an unexpected
Samcrac video 🏎💨💨
I still remember my dad bringing home 2 different ZR1's from the GM proving grounds when I was a kid, a red one and a green one. Somewhere there is a picture of me sitting on the back of the red one, I need to find it! The C4 ZR1 was the coolest car of my childhood and I hope to own one some day -- even though any modern Corvette make the C4 seem primitive! Looking forward to the rest of this video series!
Very underrated car. Can't wait to see it run. Good call with the diesel in the sump. Check the intake and gas tank for water . Love the 80s style buck Rodger style interior in those c4's.
Good call on the intake. A friend back in college went through some water, but did not hydro lock. That is until he pulled the plugs, got the water out of the cylinders and then started it with water in the intake. Engine was toast, and we had just changed it the previous year.
Nobody ever underrated the ZR-1.
OK, ya got me. Waiting for your next vid with anticipation! Nice job!
You could of paid a mobile locksmith $75-$100 for a new key with chip for your Vett.
Except without a old key you don't know what chip it needs. Still have to figure that out. There's nothing that tells you the resistance.
@@kalamazoo-Fcar Maybe it's different with the Corvette but my grandmother was able to get a new key for her 2013 Hyundai Elantra after she lost the only key she had and the mobile locksmith was able to cut and program a new key just from the VIN.
@kalamazoo-Fcar the old key isn't required. I worked 22 years at an auto auction and we received cars in constantly without keys. We had a company on-site that made keys including the ones that required the chip. They had the equipment to read the onboard computer to cut and program replacement GM keys. They made all of our keys with the exception of exotics. Most of those to include Porsche, required the vehicle be returned to a dealership and to include proof of ownership. And, Porsche keys ran 2K!!!
@@kalamazoo-Fcar they can test it on site and cut the key with the proper chip in it thers only 15chips. Its actuly just a resistor.
@@joe212 yes in the BCM you cant just meter the wires, so without a original key to read off of they can't know it, This is why you have to go through the trying of each of those resisters he had in his hand until you get a winner. I just did this on a ZR-1 I bought without keys. Even GM doesn't know what resistance you need they used to have a box that read the keys to make new ones but nothing to read the car.
Matt from Demolition Ranch (Off the Ranch)is selling a flood ZR1. His is restored and running with a rebuilt ZR1 and a wrap to fix ugly.
This non stop content is unlike you keep it up!
Sam get a transponder key for it then all you do is turn ignition on till dash lights up leave for 10 minutes then turn off turn on for 10 more minutes then turn off then turn on for 10 more minutes then turn off. key is then programmed no scanner required cylinder 1 and 8 squirt some marvel mystery oil in them and let sit overnight put some walmart oil in it and crank it over new plugs and then send it cheers from down under
Why not go to a GM dealer with your ownership and VIN and have them cut a replacement key with the correct resistance? You are going to need a key for the 2nd “full power” key cylinder anyway. You should dump the diesel and try filling the crank case with some evaporust…your bearings have been sitting in a salt water bath for who knows how long. Love the color of your ZR1
Evaporust won't lubricate the seals... Could potentially harden it more... Diesel is oil based, which can assist in softening them, if they're not shot...
We got a C4 video in the end, it just had to be from you rather than from Rich. Big up, it looks great!
Great gamble on the ZR1, can remember watching 2 of these go into a shredder in the early 90's, the cars were brought out to Australia to evaluate, after 1 year they had to go back or be destroyed, I believe it wasn't worth sending them back to the states so they both went into the shredder, one of the saddest things I've ever seen, Rj in Oz
Some speculation about where the water came from. Before you dump the pan, it might be interesting to verify the water is salt and not fresh. Makes a big difference...
Can't you still bring your proof of ownership to the GM dealer and have them cut/program a new key?
You won’t have to program anything. All that “chip” is, is a resistor so you just have to have a dealer run the VIN and get the resistor value then they sell you a key with the right resistance. Or under the dash where the VATS wires are you can jumper the correct resistance resistor and leave it then never deal with it again. I had the VATS wires break in the tilt column of my 1989 Firebird and bypassed it all for remote starts.
I own a C4 ZR1 1995 and 1993 LT1 6spd convertible . For the VATS there is a resistor chip in the key . Chevy can tell you based on the VIN and production # exactly what resistance # it is. Value is 1 through 10. You can buy the appropriate key with the correct resistance chip from Ecklers corvette or Corvette Mods. Then have the keys cut.
What about the other oils like trans rear and power steering?
Diesel in the engine was smart 👍, also dump the gear oil and differential oil they have air vents ...good luck ..
Damn, you did us dirty with that ending Sam. But if you release new episodes every couple days it's easier to let it slide.
14:33 yeah I would have just called a licenced locksmith for $100 and got new keys made.
One thing about the water line in the engine: if it was parked nose down that would explain water in the engine and not in the interior...
How much damage do they do to the bottom of these cars when they pick them up with the giant forklift?
I ask myself this every time I see it
Great ending! Checkmate. Keep this genius format at the end of more posts!
Sam I'm always cheerin' for ya bud!
Can't wait to see this thing run I have always had a thing for the ZR 1 the early ones can hardly wait !
Sam, keep up the great content!
Sam I don't know when this happened, tho just get a new key (and Chip) from the dealer...and that will save you so much faffing with the security in time alone...And these quirky cars are great, this is something we can all really get into...There was a black TVR in the same lot I think...Definitely worth a shot, really pretty, reallt rare and quite fast (really fast with a few mods) great vid as always...
I’m pissed that now I have to wait to find out the mileage 😭
I’ve bypassed my vats in my 98 Trans Am. I live by Copart in Riverview so, if you’re out this way I can help. Your going to need to know what ohms the key chip resistor. Another issue is since you have the steering wheel apart check for wobble.
I'm more impressed by the ZR1 than the Ferrari next to it. I remember the uproar ZR1 owners made when Chevy made the rear end of a "normal" Corvette have the squared off ZR1 tail lights. At its time the ZR1 was the slightly more affordable supercar that caused jaws to hit the floor at its raw power. I hope you can bring this beauty back to life.
I'm not certain in this case, but with old 2stroke outboards, if they ever went overboard or got dunked, you wanted to get them ashore, remove water from the tank and carb and fire them up as soon as possible. The heat from the running motor is your friend.
I live in the UK and I saw one of these the other day I couldn’t believe it. Definitely my favourite shape ever made absolutely love them I hope I can own one eventually 🥲
Bought a flooded 09 e63 with 50k miles for 8k was a steal cleaned it up good replaced a few electrical items and it’s been the most reliable I own 😂
Will this project be finished, vote down below Yes or No 😅😜😜
Where’s the double thumbs up button? 😆
No😅
This ni g ga can't finish sh.i.t
Yes up here 😅
Nope
If you go to a GM dealer with the vin number they will give you a printout with the exact resistance chip you need to make the car run. I believe there was 19 different resistance types
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Are you shocked? YT is a censor's playground.
Does Sam stepmom have a UA-cam channel? I've seen her other channel and I still can't stand up
Matt from OffTheRanch and Demolition Ranch is currently selling a ZR1 on eBay motors. I think it's the same color.
phok off for the cliff hanger ending... i was gonna come back for part two but now i feel like missing out just to pay you back for the that... enjoy the vids keep em coming...
VATS had 15 different resistor values in the keys. You can defeat the system by jumping the orange wires on the column to complete the circuit that would go through the key. We used to have to measure the resister in the key for remote starters. should be easy to get the value via the vin from chevy.
Watching your videos is like watching TV, always leave you hanging. I stopped watching TV In 2015.
Keep the old lock cylinder so you can cut the connector and a pugtail from it. That way you can kill the VATS without cutting the harness. Also, on some of these old GM computers you can get a PROM with the VATS disabled.
exactly
When you figure out the value of your particular VATS key, leave it in the on position and tape the lock cylinder to the main harness under the dash and then put a traditional non VATS lock cylinder in the column. The VATS cylinders are notorious for the wires chafing and breaking inside the column. As stated previously in another comment, there are indeed 15 different values and there is a 3 minute reset unless you disconnect the battery in between each value test. Rather than pay $30 per cut key to test, I would call a locksmith out and have them read it and cut 1 key. That will save you some money and a headache.
Or go to a Chevy dealer with proof of ownership and have them cut the correct key from the VIN. This seemed the first and easiest solution, in my mind.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH Most dealers don't have old VATS machines anymore, nor do they even stock the chipped keys. I know none of my local GM dealerships are equipped to accommodate old VATS equipped vehicles anymore. Once Obsolete Parts Program discontinues production of a part, aftermarket is the exclusive line of support.
As i finished watching youe maserati video you upload a new one to keep me busy, lets goo
Enjoy!
@@Samcrac man you got me on the edge of my seat for the miles haha. I actually work at this location and i remember seeing this corvette definitely was a eye catcher!
I had a regular 94 Vette for a while and loved it. Yeah cheap plastics everywhere but it was a lot of fun. I really enjoy this rescue! Hope you can get the real deal back to life
Jimmy, Jason from "rebuild Rescue was bidding on the jet as well. Maybe the two of you should work together to restore it. two is cheaper than one!
I swear, you have mastered the cliffhanger video endings worse than network TV. Well done!
I think there are 15 or 12 diferent key values. Got to try each one with 5 minutes intervals until you get the correct one. When tou get the right one the security light will turn off. Mind you that the security light has two funtions. One is for the vats when ign switch is on. And the other with the ign switch off is to let you know if the factory alarm is on or off. Flashing is off. Steady in on. You would need the door key to turn it off. So be carefull when using the power locks as them turn the sistem on or off before you get the door key. Nice car i have the same car just not zr1. Wana trade😄
You are intelligent. I will have to watch the next video, to see how many miles it have. Well done !!!!!
RE: the Americannesss of the LT-5 engine, although it was designed by Lotus, the engines were made by Mercury Marine in Stillwater, Oklahoma. There was a marine version of the engine, too...🙂
someone mentioned a using the vin for finding the key code - I have also seen some manufacturers stamp a key code on the drivers door cylinder (not sure about Chevy). - learned that trick from a locksmith when my key was to worn to cut a new one from.
with out the keys I hope you can get them made because the ZR1 has the GM version of VTEC that makes all that power with out the keys all you have is a normal running Corvette.
ZR1 Engines were built by MerCruiser in Stillwater, Oklahoma.
You never had to change the ignition cylinder to get the mileage off of the car. Just needed the battery and turn on the headlights to display the mileage.
You are on the right track with getting the Vats sorted. The system will time out on every error, so count on an hour or so of cycling through resistance values. GM does have a tool called a VATS interrogator which is pretty slick.
With a water level that high, my concern other than the engine, trans and diff, is going to be the bulkhead connection on the driver side behind the battery at the firewall. Everything else other than a few sensors, you are above the water line.
If you do get to the point of shelving the project, please reach out. I can give it a second life on the track. Conversely, I've got 3 engines sitting in the garage if you need to change out
One of the other red cars you spoke of at the auction is back up for sale in California. I think the guy got in over his head and is trying to dump it and can't.
Lookup a remote start install for the car. Had to do it with an older chevy s10 to trick it into thinking a key was in the ignition. Just tested different resistors untill i had the correct one.
Suspense Sam..... suspense!!!!🤬🤬🤬 Your number one fan from Africa, Nairobi, Kenya watching!! 🇰🇪🇰🇪
I’ve bought 2 cars and 3 boats from the IAAI auction in fort Myers from the flood of hurricane Ian all of them just had to pull the plugs, on the cars change the starter shoot the water/oil out the combustion chamber replace with new plugs new oil and it’s ready. good deals come out of those auctions
C4 Corvettes are the only corvettes I actually like. My dad used to have a C5, but i'm a sucker for that square look
Oh my god, I’m salty right now!! I was sooo excited to see the odometer reading…dang you! Lol love your videos!!
Noooooo!!!! Another cliffhanger!! This is turning into "General Hospital" or "Days of our Lives". In any case, GREAT content Sam, thanks!
I’m thinking it’s a low mileage car, due to the Goodyear Gatorbacks. I think it was ‘92 or ‘93 when Chevy switch to the Goodyear GS-C. So it may still have factory rubber.
On my C5, I simply went to the Chevy dealer and they built me a chip key in 30 mins for like 20 bucks. It was based off the VIN.
South main auto repair did a video on vatts in a truck within last few months. Step by step measuring resistance and putting resistor in
I love your video’s and your stories behind ❤❤ please never stop youtube Sam! ❤
Sammie....the ZR1 motor is American built. It was designed by Lotus, but built by Evinrude.
So a little salt water won't hurt it.
Sam... you are an arse! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was so engrossed I wasn't watching the video timer and then... no odometer reading! 😂 Great video... cant wait for the next!
I had a 1992 that the vats system failed. My mechanic found a plug and play that you connect to the computer to override the security.
I just sold my 1991 white Vette with 6spd this fall. It was fun to drive but needed way to much work for my budget.
It's got a factory radio... that's cool!
You should go ahead and replace the crank shaft bearings, they have been sitting in water for a long time and will lock up soon so just replace them and save yourself a heartache.
Thumbs down for ending the video that way but you're still my fav car channel.
You need to measure the resistance of the VATS on the factory key and match it in order to turn over the ignition. So trial and error with the resisters.