Seeing such a young, professional looking group is a fantastic sight to see! Where I volunteer (leaving out names here on purpose) there has only recently been an upswing in younger volunteers, as the old mainstays got a nasty surprise when their treatment of young volunteers as pesky, reckless, ignoramuses backfired and they had hardly any people under 50 besides myself; and then they started dying of old age. I hope that your organisation continues to foster whatever environment is keeping these guys coming out; lots of other places need that example, or we will lose all the knowledge and skill to keep these places alive.
Yes, getting youngsters involved is a good thing. Its one of the reasons I enjoy visiting the large Great Central steam Gala's at Loughborough. There are always plenty of youngsters involved there and some seem to have a lot of responsibility. 👍
This has brought back memories. Those of us old enough to have enjoyed the days of steam, may recall, the smell of the smoke entering the coaches when going through a tunnel.
Fantastic video, thankyou ! It makes me think what a monumental challenge it must have been to fire a long distance train back in the steam days. My respect and admiration goes to the footplate crews, both then and now. It’s also good to see a youngster involved,these skills need to be passed down the generations. I’m taking my two small grandchildren for a ride on the Great Central this weekend, I wonder if it might kindle somethIng?
What a great bit of film. The quick shots back and forth cab to outside were just right. As a Wyoming born and raised steam railroad family guy, it brought back a lot of memories. Thanks! It is especially effective to use the headphones for this trip.
Loved this thank you shame we cant hear what they are saying to each other so we could perhaps learn more throughout the journey about the driving and firing --cheers
When I was a young man, my father and I were out one evening, when we met an old friend of his. His friend had been a fireman on a steam engine. He recounted the tale of when they had been out drinking many years before and met a Canadian, who was also a fireman. Of course dad's friend and the Canadian got talking about their jobs. The conversation eventually got round to feeding the firebox. Dad's friend proudly announced he'd shovel about a ton or so of coal per mile (very taxing). The Canadian said he did about four. "Four tons a mile! How big's your shovel? " The Canadian responded "what shovel? "
In Canada and the USA, depending on the age of the locomotive, most steam engines had automatic stokers. In the later days of steam most engines where oil fired rather than coal fired.
i would like to buy the fireman a pint ! what a worker ! he would have them blowing off going up shap !! brilliant. ! regards laurence [ ex br fireman ]
A really enjoyable video. I know little, or next to nothing of the technicalities of actually woking a locomotive. I would love to see this again, with subtitles explaining what the engine driver and plateman was doing, adjusting from moment to moment. I see in the comments more informed questions about 'how' the journey was accomplished. I am not on that level of knowledge, a mere layman. I wonder if anyone has the time or patience to explain what each control covered, what adjustments were made from moment to moment, simply to understand better what is involved in operating such a beautiful beast of a machine in a video with subtitles. There is something beautiful and mysterious to the curious, 37, 000 watched this. Most, like me are 'uninitiated' and wonder what all the controls do. Perhaps there is video someone can point me to.
There's a very in depth video on youtube by someone named Hyce about firing a coal burning steam locomotive. It's called Firing 101. Hyce is American so a lot of the terms he uses are different to here in the UK but the basic principles are exactly the same - it's well worth a watch!
I don't remember what it is called, but there is a couple of videos on UA-cam on driving and firing a steam locomotive. Maybe using the search function may find it.
The firing approach here in the "building the fire for the 1:49" section is very interesting. It appears to be "fill the box to the bottom of the 'half door?" I was wondering if this was an unusual approach for a big mainline engine on the NYMR as it contrasts so sharply with the LMS "Little and often" approach which was also filmed on a Royal Scot I think? Is is that the steep climb requires this much coal in the box on starting, or do crews vary in their techniques?
The loco was departing cold, straight from shed for the 1 in 49 climb from a standing start with 7 coaches and steam heat on. The coal being used also burns rapidly with little ash or clinker so a bit more coal than usual is required for the climb. You would be unlikely to make it to Goathland if you fired little and often with no backend. Also the train was non stop through Goathland so the fireman had to take that into account. The loco would not be stopping for 5 to 10 mins for the fireman to be rebuild the fire and top the water level up on way to the summit at Ellerbeck.
The little and often method still had room for a thick fire bed. Put a bit more on each round than it’s using and that builds you reserve for the heavy work.
@@nymrfootage Excellent explanation. I was wondering the same thing, having grown up around the Union Pacific's Big Boys and Challengers in Cheyenne. At his retirement party, when asked what was the most significant thing he remembered from the steam days (he was a locomotive fireman then an engineer) he replied his happiest moment was the first time he used an automatic stoker. The really big iron simply could not be fired by hand.
Excellent, thanks for posting. This is NOT criticism! Before setting off the fireman spread the loading including to both rear corners, but once on the move seemed to concentrate far more on the right side than the left when not loading centrally, why would this be please?
Without actually seeing inside the firebox , it maybe the fire is being drawn more to the right than the left. The configuration of the firebars and dampers can cause coal to burn away more quickly on one side.
Good to see the fireman enjoy his well earned brew after Levisham. Surprised that the driver had to juggle a double token exchange whilst simultaneously adjusting the regulator.
stunning video for keep memories of this hard work of passionnates people’s. is it possible to use some seconds of the videos to put in a project of modélism about stream train ho model ?
An excellent film of footplate work. I know what the function of cylinder drain cocks is; but can anyone explain why the driver had them open for so long after leaving Grosmont? Thank you.
The loco was cold and had just off shed so the cylinders contained a lot of water and condensation. Plus it was cold and damp morning. The owners rep may also have asked for the cylinder drain cocks to be left open until all the water had been expelled. Also, if you look at the chimney as the loco approaches the tunnel, there is still quite a lot of water still being expelled from the cylinder drain cocks. Usually, if loco has come in from Whitby or has arrived from Pickering and run straight round the train, the cylinder drain cocks would be shut much sooner. It's better to be safe than sorry and damage or even blow off the cylinder. Some locos also have inclined cylinders that causes water and condensation to collect at the rear of the cylinder, this requiring more time for the water to be blown out through the drain cocks. Hope that explains it in a bit more detail. Regards.
Knowing Levisham frame… I can think of one very good reason not to send an Up train through the bi-di platform… the starter and section signals become pull-betweens!
I was interested in the metal box with the arched lid. There appears to be a brass plaque on the lid. If so, would be interested to know what it says. Is there a name on the plaque and if so, who? Is there reference to anyone called Redfern.
There was mostly likely a block on platform 3 due to the guard completing coach checks or the carriage cleaners still cleaning the coaches. Once they are finished they let the signal know and the block can removed. In this video, although edited out, the crew were in platform 4 for about 20 minutes before moving to platform 3.
Enjoyed this, have to say in the pandemic when they sold a virtual round trip, i thought they missed a trick as something like this would have helped entice folks back. or at least got more enthusiasts to pay. Always impressed how relaxed everyone on the footplate is.
Unfortunately, even if you select no adverts, UA-cam still insert them. There's no way round it, that I'm aware off. However, the footage is available on DVD, Blu-ray and 4K disc.
The young guy (on the right) is trainee fireman. He gets to fire the return trip. lol. The guy on the left at the back of the cab is the LSL (Locomotive Services Ltd) owners rep.
Perhaps your locos don’t have baffle plates just inside the firehole? This loco, and indeed virtually all British locos, have a baffle plate which directs the cold air entering the firehole towards the brick arch. This causes it to mix with the volatile gasses coming off the firebed and thus promoting combustion of said volatile gasses to give a more efficient burn of the coal. This secondary air is regulated by amount the firedoor is opened. When done correctly this does not cause any harm to the tubeplate, which I think is your concern here.
Why so much coal . I think once you get going you will lift the safety valves. I have been a fireman on the Vallry RR for almost ten years in the 1980s and the early 1990s. That much coal makes a lot of smoke which makes the neighbors unhappy.
That much coal can also make little smoke if fired with a little care. On the gradient in question, the logos are worked reasonably hard and I wouldn't want to go up with much less.
@@kennethmidwinter982 that's UA-cam for you. You'll need to pay for a premium subscription to have them removed. Even if the clip is set to zero adverts, which it is, UA-cam still inserts them. The footage is also available on dvd and Blu-ray without adverts from the nymr online shop.
Firing over the flap was a common practice, finishing with blocking the fire hole with coal. On the next firing the coal would be pushed into to fire first.
Seeing such a young, professional looking group is a fantastic sight to see! Where I volunteer (leaving out names here on purpose) there has only recently been an upswing in younger volunteers, as the old mainstays got a nasty surprise when their treatment of young volunteers as pesky, reckless, ignoramuses backfired and they had hardly any people under 50 besides myself; and then they started dying of old age. I hope that your organisation continues to foster whatever environment is keeping these guys coming out; lots of other places need that example, or we will lose all the knowledge and skill to keep these places alive.
Yes, getting youngsters involved is a good thing. Its one of the reasons I enjoy visiting the large Great Central steam Gala's at Loughborough. There are always plenty of youngsters involved there and some seem to have a lot of responsibility. 👍
This has brought back memories. Those of us old enough to have enjoyed the days of steam, may recall, the smell of the smoke entering the coaches when going through a tunnel.
An intellectual ride in the engine compartment. Interesting from start to finish. Thanks for the ride! 😊
Fantastic video, thankyou ! It makes me think what a monumental challenge it must have been to fire a long distance train back in the steam days. My respect and admiration goes to the footplate crews, both then and now. It’s also good to see a youngster involved,these skills need to be passed down the generations. I’m taking my two small grandchildren for a ride on the Great Central this weekend, I wonder if it might kindle somethIng?
What a great bit of film. The quick shots back and forth cab to outside were just right. As a Wyoming born and raised steam railroad family guy, it brought back a lot of memories. Thanks!
It is especially effective to use the headphones for this trip.
Loved this thank you shame we cant hear what they are saying to each other so we could perhaps learn more throughout the journey about the driving and firing --cheers
Excellent footage there Iain from the footplate of the Scot, superb
Lovely video. Thanks for sharing.
When I was a young man, my father and I were out one evening, when we met an old friend of his. His friend had been a fireman on a steam engine. He recounted the tale of when they had been out drinking many years before and met a Canadian, who was also a fireman. Of course dad's friend and the Canadian got talking about their jobs. The conversation eventually got round to feeding the firebox. Dad's friend proudly announced he'd shovel about a ton or so of coal per mile (very taxing). The Canadian said he did about four.
"Four tons a mile! How big's your shovel? "
The Canadian responded "what shovel? "
In Canada and the USA, depending on the age of the locomotive, most steam engines had automatic stokers. In the later days of steam most engines where oil fired rather than coal fired.
Nice run, thank you Driver.
She's a hungry girl going uphill!
Sing sing to me my beauty,
That three cylinder symphony.
This brought back memories firing from Nine Elms and later Basingstoke sheds . . . mine being a long way further south! Thank you.
Fantastic
Good Fireman 👍
i would like to buy the fireman a pint ! what a worker ! he would have them blowing off going up shap !! brilliant. ! regards laurence [ ex br fireman ]
Clearly the fireman and I went to the same school.
Took me back to my round trip on the footplate of Black 5 45305 from Pickering to Grosmont and return back around 1991/2. Fabulous run.
The Black Five you rode on 1991/2 was 44767 because 45305 hasn't run on the Moors
A really enjoyable video. I know little, or next to nothing of the technicalities of actually woking a locomotive. I would love to see this again, with subtitles explaining what the engine driver and plateman was doing, adjusting from moment to moment. I see in the comments more informed questions about 'how' the journey was accomplished. I am not on that level of knowledge, a mere layman. I wonder if anyone has the time or patience to explain what each control covered, what adjustments were made from moment to moment, simply to understand better what is involved in operating such a beautiful beast of a machine in a video with subtitles. There is something beautiful and mysterious to the curious, 37, 000 watched this. Most, like me are 'uninitiated' and wonder what all the controls do. Perhaps there is video someone can point me to.
There's a very in depth video on youtube by someone named Hyce about firing a coal burning steam locomotive. It's called Firing 101. Hyce is American so a lot of the terms he uses are different to here in the UK but the basic principles are exactly the same - it's well worth a watch!
I don't remember what it is called, but there is a couple of videos on UA-cam on driving and firing a steam locomotive. Maybe using the search function may find it.
@@richardditchburn3853 Thank you.
The firing approach here in the "building the fire for the 1:49" section is very interesting. It appears to be "fill the box to the bottom of the 'half door?" I was wondering if this was an unusual approach for a big mainline engine on the NYMR as it contrasts so sharply with the LMS "Little and often" approach which was also filmed on a Royal Scot I think? Is is that the steep climb requires this much coal in the box on starting, or do crews vary in their techniques?
The loco was departing cold, straight from shed for the 1 in 49 climb from a standing start with 7 coaches and steam heat on. The coal being used also burns rapidly with little ash or clinker so a bit more coal than usual is required for the climb. You would be unlikely to make it to Goathland if you fired little and often with no backend.
Also the train was non stop through Goathland so the fireman had to take that into account. The loco would not be stopping for 5 to 10 mins for the fireman to be rebuild the fire and top the water level up on way to the summit at Ellerbeck.
The little and often method still had room for a thick fire bed. Put a bit more on each round than it’s using and that builds you reserve for the heavy work.
@@nymrfootage Excellent explanation. I was wondering the same thing, having grown up around the Union Pacific's Big Boys and Challengers in Cheyenne. At his retirement party, when asked what was the most significant thing he remembered from the steam days (he was a locomotive fireman then an engineer) he replied his happiest moment was the first time he used an automatic stoker. The really big iron simply could not be fired by hand.
Excellent, thanks for posting. This is NOT criticism! Before setting off the fireman spread the loading including to both rear corners, but once on the move seemed to concentrate far more on the right side than the left when not loading centrally, why would this be please?
Without actually seeing inside the firebox , it maybe the fire is being drawn more to the right than the left. The configuration of the firebars and dampers can cause coal to burn away more quickly on one side.
Good to see the fireman enjoy his well earned brew after Levisham. Surprised that the driver had to juggle a double token exchange whilst simultaneously adjusting the regulator.
15:31 is it me or is the cab wobbling compared to the boiler??
stunning video for keep memories of this hard work of passionnates people’s. is it possible to use some seconds of the videos to put in a project of modélism about stream train ho model ?
Yes. No problem.
@@nymrfootage oh thanks 🙏, i will put link to your great video , i have finished the modeling train and i will use greenscreen :)
@@nymrfootage I've just putted my video online, it's a French steam locomotive but the spirit is here !! thanks again.
Fantastic journey, fantastic scenery and north Yorks at it's golden brown best.
An excellent film of footplate work. I know what the function of cylinder drain cocks is; but can anyone explain why the driver had them open for so long after leaving Grosmont? Thank you.
The loco was cold and had just off shed so the cylinders contained a lot of water and condensation. Plus it was cold and damp morning. The owners rep may also have asked for the cylinder drain cocks to be left open until all the water had been expelled.
Also, if you look at the chimney as the loco approaches the tunnel, there is still quite a lot of water still being expelled from the cylinder drain cocks.
Usually, if loco has come in from Whitby or has arrived from Pickering and run straight round the train, the cylinder drain cocks would be shut much sooner.
It's better to be safe than sorry and damage or even blow off the cylinder.
Some locos also have inclined cylinders that causes water and condensation to collect at the rear of the cylinder, this requiring more time for the water to be blown out through the drain cocks.
Hope that explains it in a bit more detail. Regards.
@@nymrfootage Thank you for such a quick, detailed and informative reply. Now I understand better. Many thanks and all good wishes. Martin Adams
Can't see any grey hair on the footplate, good sign for the future 👍👍👍
Knowing Levisham frame… I can think of one very good reason not to send an Up train through the bi-di platform… the starter and section signals become pull-betweens!
I was interested in the metal box with the arched lid. There appears to be a brass plaque on the lid. If so, would be interested to know what it says. Is there a name on the plaque and if so, who? Is there reference to anyone called Redfern.
Fireman did well and looked the part wearing a tie.
This video is missing one thing. The obligatory eggs n bacon done on the shovel 😊
Why do steam locomotives go to platform 4 then back out to go to platform 3? Sorry of it's a silly question
There was mostly likely a block on platform 3 due to the guard completing coach checks or the carriage cleaners still cleaning the coaches. Once they are finished they let the signal know and the block can removed. In this video, although edited out, the crew were in platform 4 for about 20 minutes before moving to platform 3.
Enjoyed this, have to say in the pandemic when they sold a virtual round trip, i thought they missed a trick as something like this would have helped entice folks back. or at least got more enthusiasts to pay. Always impressed how relaxed everyone on the footplate is.
are there any passengers on those seven coaches?
Was this at Bressingham once?
Young lad could do with a cheer up pill
He gets to fire on the way back. 😂
Good video, i'm your 200th like 👍🏻
The Black smoke because the driver closed the Regulater for a moment.
Phwoar!!!!
Spoilt by the constant stoppages for adverts . When that didn’t happen. A decent video .
Unfortunately, even if you select no adverts, UA-cam still insert them. There's no way round it, that I'm aware off. However, the footage is available on DVD, Blu-ray and 4K disc.
👏👏👏
Im guessing the chap sitting with arms folded is the minder
The young guy (on the right) is trainee fireman. He gets to fire the return trip. lol. The guy on the left at the back of the cab is the LSL (Locomotive Services Ltd) owners rep.
Grease top hats should be mandatory on the footplate😊
Yesindeed,i got burned not wearing one.
Lesson learned.but i still have the scar.
If i left the fire box doos open like that the railroad would have fired me.
Perhaps your locos don’t have baffle plates just inside the firehole? This loco, and indeed virtually all British locos, have a baffle plate which directs the cold air entering the firehole towards the brick arch. This causes it to mix with the volatile gasses coming off the firebed and thus promoting combustion of said volatile gasses to give a more efficient burn of the coal. This secondary air is regulated by amount the firedoor is opened. When done correctly this does not cause any harm to the tubeplate, which I think is your concern here.
👍👍👍❤🤍💚
Did you enjoy that Andrew
10:00 man's shovelling that coal like he's paid by the £ per coal
A haycock fire.
Was he a western man i wonder.a shake me down construction.😂
Wouldn't it be a bummer if he dropped the token 😂
Anchors on, and hope it didn’t go under a wheel… and if it did, then Control get a rather unwelcome phone call!
Why so much coal . I think once you get going you will lift the safety valves. I have been a fireman on the Vallry RR for almost ten years in the 1980s and the early 1990s. That much coal makes a lot of smoke which makes the neighbors unhappy.
That much coal can also make little smoke if fired with a little care. On the gradient in question, the logos are worked reasonably hard and I wouldn't want to go up with much less.
For goodness sake…. too many adverts. NO.
@@kennethmidwinter982 that's UA-cam for you. You'll need to pay for a premium subscription to have them removed. Even if the clip is set to zero adverts, which it is, UA-cam still inserts them. The footage is also available on dvd and Blu-ray without adverts from the nymr online shop.
Never goosd to leave the firebox doors open while running. Too much cold air in the firebox which cause undue stress in the boiler.
It’s got a deflector plate and he was firing over the flap. A bit of top air clears the smoke and helps burn more volatiles. All perfectly fine.
Firing over the flap was a common practice, finishing with blocking the fire hole with coal. On the next firing the coal would be pushed into to fire first.
Great footage, beautiful sound!
But add subtitles, please…….
Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱.