Isn’t it funny like Alyssa Farah and Stephanie Gresham and all these people now go on CNN and talk about how bad Trump is but yet they all worked for him and were in the trenches. They lose credibility in my eyes.
But Tim Lindsey. You can tell how he wants to be. Like trump or in trumps orbit. He even. Cry’s. John McCain . . Would be so disappointed in him because Mc Cain. Would not have bowed down to trump. Never
The real insidious and damaging people are the collaborators. Never underestimate someones ability to rationalize evil for personal power, wealth, and influence.
Exactly right .... The GOP and the Chump cultists supporters are just as morally bankrupt and dishonest as is Chump himself. They identify with the mafia level criminal behavior of Chump and are just fine with such for themselves if it gains something for themselves.
Well, even moreso never underestimate someone's ability to rationalize evil for what they perceive as a greater good, quite simply idealism, the most destructive impulse humans have is idealism because once you believe your path is the key to making the world a better place the things that keep it from becoming a hell fall by the wayside. This is true in the history of Christianity, Islam, communism and capitalism for all of these things, the regular people that allow monstrous behavior do so out of idealism.
Trump couldn't do anything on his own. He can barely feed and clothe himself. I assume he can bathe himself. But I really don't see trump being able to run a load of laundry, or find the refrigerator where they keep the diet cokes, or even find the place where all his clothes are kept. He's a classic little rascals gang leader, a bully. He decides what they are gonna do. Then he gets his little gang to do all the work.
It has happened here in the UK too. The "old" Conservative party no longer exists. The current Tories in power are in thrall to the billionaire party funders and the right wing press - and it's all about greed and profit.
I find all of it heartbreaking as this has affected so many people around me living in Ohio. Some days I want to vomit the things coming out of people I once respected. It’s unbelievable to me how hateful they are and they believe not only are they right, they are the only ones “doing the Lord’s work”. They don’t seem to see they’ve switched gods and sold their souls😢 If they know better deep down, I don’t know how they live with themselves.
And to think Ohio used to be a Purple state. It’s so sad that you lost the chance at a really good senator, and now have an obstructionist extremist filled with trumpism & lies. Where this all ends, I don’t know, but we all must Vote Blue in every election. 💙🇺🇸
@co7314 People can change. For some, they refuse to self evaluate until something shakes their world losing a loved one, losing their own freedom, killing another person. Other's learn by seeing an unacceptable act committed by others or something clicks - spoken or written -that suddenly makes sense... you recognize a lie that unravels the whole scene someone sold you.
When blatant lies and disinformation are used to gaslight and incite fear, anger and outrage in people, who don't realize they are getting brainwashed, you get the kind of unhinged, dangerously violent reactions we see from crooked Trump and his MAGA extremists. Everyone needs to calm down get a grip and see the BS for what it is.
No one said dems don't have their issues but you'll soon realize the republican party is dead and the only way they stay will stay in power is to fuck you.
The only reason I'm not instantly unsubscribing this channel, is because of the comments. Here I can find reason. But, it's a hard truth that this channel is now way to the bottom of my consideration.
This little grifter was content being a Republican hit man knowing they hated people like him. He probably pretends that he doesn't know who Lee Atwater was. Atwater spelled out the Republican playbook before he died in the 1990's. Trump wasn't an aberration for the Republican Party, somebody like him was inevitable.
This is pretty much what I remember my Dad and Uncle Arthur (both WWII veterans) telling me about how German people spoke in the late 1940s after the suicide of their leader Hitler. They talked waking up from a kind of hateful, fearful dreamworld. They were so filled with propaganda on all those subjects along with the absolute fear of being denounced for the smallest transgression that they dared not even doubt. It scares me green that there is a whole political party still toting these so-called values. We are about one election away from a hostile takeover by the power hungry.
I don't think I am being paranoid when I say that soon there will be death camps all over these United States.Trump is bold.He says whatever he wants whenever he wants.You are going to someday have a President that will say out loud what Americans are really thinking of what to do to each other.
It was about economic These solutions were a part of economic growth The problem is the wrong information was submitted about a policy A safety issue never to take away Do prosecutor has the right to ask for private information from a false charge of trespassing Because this is where the mix up with policy went the wrong way How could I submit this to the prosecutor who wanted their private information I have been trying
Love Tim Miller. Also love the way Walter Isaacson asks questions. Short set up and straight to the point - and the points are important ones. Really sets the guest up well.
My father, who died in 1975, used to joke that if you want to know what a Republican thinks, ask a Democrat what they think first and know that the Republican will automatically oppose the Democrat without any hesitation or thought.
I always thought that if you wrote out a list of policies put forward by both R's and D's, without specifying which policies were which party's, most people would choose Dem policies. Why do Republicans always vote against their best interests? So many red states at the bottom of the pile for health, education, infrastructure etc, no wonder they're always angry and it's THEIR fault!
In my opinion, trumpism has its roots back in the 1970's when the GOP decided that portraying the government as the enemy and going after the lower educated voter was the best way to get votes and limit government interventionism. The culmination of that strategy finds the GOP led by anti-government (including anti democratic government), anti-education, conspiracy minded, authoritarians.
Thank you for that info. My problem was I was 18 in 1973 and not thinking about Politics a Lot so my history is vague .. My whole working life was thru Trickle Down and "Right to work" BS .. GQP controls for the rich .. Point is I am now Really paying attention as chump is going full fascist and I wonder how it all happened in a Democracy .. I understand the "Southern Strategy" but that was even before the 70's ...
@@manuelhe46 I think Manuel has it right. It started with Nixon and top Republicans realizing that their voter base was no growing fast enough to allow them to win elections in the future. Nixon adopted Atwater's Southern Strategy and the Republican party recruited many white racists to their ranks. That made "haters" a meaningful component of Republican votes. And, over years, as racism lost some of its strength they looked for other non-powerful groups they could use as hate targets in order to attract other groups of haters. Women, well educated people, Hispanics, immigrants in general, gays, non-Christians - new hateable fodder for recruitment tools. Now the hate target is anyone who doesn't support Dear Leader.
I agree with your logic, but I think the rottenness goes much farther back in history. Barry Goldwater's candidacy in 1964 was based on the idea of government--even democratic government--as the enemy, and he didn't originate that idea. It's been at the core of Republican ideology going back to their catering to the railroads and Wall Street all the way back to the Gilded Age.
Why didn't more GOP do the right thing? Why didn't their consciences not allow them to? I knew who Trump was for decades. I am an ordinary Canadian. How could you and not others see it?
Same here. Oh, they saw it and knew who he was and they liked it. By his example, Trump allowed them to be their worst selves, too. He showed them how it is done and how to get away with it, and they LOVE him for it! F*** the rules! F*** ethical norms! F*** those illegals! It's all about me and what I want! How freeing! All they needed was a corrupt leader to show them the way. Sadly, they are not the good people they pretend to be.
For those who may be interested, there was a German movie in the early 1980s called "Mephisto" - which won the oscar for best foreign movie - which deals with how a renowned actor, who backed socialist causes in the early 1930s found that collaborating with the Nazi's gave his career a great boost, turning him into someone completely unrecognizable at the end. Unrestrained careerism and lust for power and privilege - that's the basis of collaboration.
Lindsey turned himself into a complete Trump sycophant becoming the biggest hypocrite in the senate. He’s an example of a morally bankrupt politician in a party with no ideas or aspirations other than power
@@uptick888 About what? They don't care about corruption, and Lindsey's leanings are so obvious everyone would yawn if he tried to use that for shock value.
@@uptick888 "Friends" of tRump related stories of tRump setting up male acquaintances with some prostitute in one room that was wired and playing the interaction to the man's wife in another. It was just another tool for him to control others. Can you just imagine what he had/has on Lyndsey?
I don’t agree. These are harsh words for someone sharing what was his worst and trying to warn us & other gop’ers of the dangers the gop fascist party has in store should they gain power.
@@angelinahunter182 Thanks for the recommendation. I started following The Lincoln Project when they made their debut, when they were a podcast, the ads were good but not great, and there were more women's voices. For reasons I still can't explain, I was almost immediately turned off by Rick Wilson. I have checked out a couple of his shorts on UA-cam over the last few months. Still not a fan. No hard feelings, no hateful commentary about him. He's just not a go-to for me.
@@xelamercedes I understand your take on Rick Wilson -- I think he was a former Republican strategist and he speaks and writes like a "gloves off, acidic" Republican -- a little tough in his presentation. You might like to read the OpEd of a perfect gentleman Mesa, AZ Mayor John Giles who still considers himself a Republican but who spoke as the Democratic National Convention explaining why he's endorsing Kamala Harris -- Mayor Giles is a traditionalist Republican but NOT a Trumper -- and he can explain in a polite way WHY. There are plenty of Never Trumper Republicans who you might to listen to as to their reasons and THEY were inside the Republican Party.
@@angelinahunter182 Yes, Giles is highly relatable. I'm also a fan of Olivia Troye. I think all the Republicans who spoke at DNC are exemplary public servants. I have an appetite as well for acidic, straight talk. I donate to Steve Schmidt's The Warning almost every week.
Candid is speaking out before the coast is clear to do so. If you can’t speak up in the face of wrong you’re a coward, plain and simple. And profiting from it after the fact, solidifies it.
This was a riveting interview. Miller is right when he says we've had enough insight into the destructive craziness but not enough into why people who know better go along with it. Frightening how normal human beings can silence their consciences so easily, just like in the 3rd Reich.
Nice! Expat Vietnam vet here in Perú.. Since I have been here.. 06...4 presidents have gone to jail..I have seen a lot in my short time on the planet but I never thought I'd see this.. Don't thank me for Mr service.. Drafted.. Lost three years of my life.. Participated in an atrocity.. Still gotta love the USA.. Just sayin'
What's riveting about this? A married gay dude with a child sided with republicans, ushered in MAGA, and now gay marriage is on Republican's eyes. These people are garbage.
They "go along with it" because they see the trajectory of Republican voters. They're giving those voters what they want, and it will lead to positions of power.
I used to be a Republican and I can say that one thing that he said rings so true with me. To Republicans politics and everything connected to it is a GAME. Being a Republican is like being a rabid fan of a football team.
I don't think gamification of this country and it's policies should be how this is done. The most basic game theory finds the Nash equilibrium always at the worst outcome. Cooperation and growing the pie is the only way we all succeed. Partisanship and tribalism caps the ceiling of your society. I'm not saying I know the answer to how to reach those who are deep in the cult but the only long-term success I can see is working with these people.
@@nuggz720 No need for misrepresenting game theory. The poster is referring to the racially informed tribalism that's as American as apple pie. Talking about equilibrium strategies misses the point.
For me, it's something to do with an overdeveloped amygdala and the cognitive dissonance that is the conservative brand. I'm citing the great George Lakoff's books on political definitions.
Yes, from this side of the atlantic it looks exactly like that. The MAGA crowd picked a team and now they will stick with it no matter what harm it does, no matter what damage they cause - so long as they can score some points against the Democrats they will let Ukraine become a victim to russia.
It's true in 99% of the cases, yes. The 1% where it doesn't apply gets us people like Trump. Where they DO want the power, they want it so bad that they'll take the responsibility aspect in stride. Only they're totally incapable of managing that responsibility, and so inevitably disaster follows. Almost in EVERY instance in Trump's presidency, he deflected responsibility to others. It was this guy's fault, that agency's fault, it was the Chinese, it was the Democrats, it was anything and anyone but him. And so most things that could've been fixed weren't. And even when he finally took responsibility, as with the light speed project to develop the vaccines, we ended up with an amazing result, 1 year! And the best he could do was a tepid support for the vaccination program, because his enablers (Fox and the crazies inside the GOP) had gone all in on the anti-vax runaway train.
So good to have Tim be the one interviewed---he's one of my favorite podcasters in which he's the one who asks the questions. So this is an eye-opening video. It makes me all the more impressed with---delighted by---Tim Miller: his integrity, self-awareness, and depth of understanding the attraction of "being in the room where it happens.".
The election of Trump to the highest office of the land broke me as a person. It completely changed the way I perceive humanity. I can't get back to who I was.
I feel the same way. It's irreparably changed how I look at my fellow Americans. It's a huge loss, a death really. My country is not what I thought it was. I thought Americans were reasonably educated and mostly cared about others. Not everyone of course. But most of us. That belief is gone. I'm ashamed to be American. Very sorry for your loss.
@@mohenn22smith27 I hoped that he might prove everyone including myself wrong.. I really thought the prediction s about how he would tear apart the fabric of US democracy...that I heard in 2016 were overblown....boy was I wrong
Ah, but Trump didn't win the election: Hillary Clinton received at least three million more votes than did Trump. However, the antiquated, antidemocratic American Electoral College system, an odious relic long overdue for the dustbin, bequeathed the presidency of the United States to the loser of the election, Donald Trump. The Electoral College, along with the reality of the tyranny of the minority over the majority in American governance and policies--such as allotting the same number of senators to every state regardless of population, and ruthless gerrymandering that enables a smaller cohort of Republicans to gain control of state legislatures where Democrats exist in greater numbers--just generates more division, more stratification (my silo versus your silo) and undermines Democracy itself in America as more citizens realize just how rigged the game is.
I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that if he ran in 2024, there are people that would vote for him. After all that he has done, they still want him back in office.
I agree Renee. He is in a class of people that have always been able to manipulate. There have been so many of them throughout history. I have relatives in my own family that love him, yet on the other hand, they are college educated, bright, good people. It is a great mystery!
He validates MAGAs hatred of educated, smart, talented, charming people, basically everything they will never be. It's never about policy, it's about his blatant low-quality and how it enables them to feel ok that someone like them has made it.
If he gets in, it will be four years of revenge against everyone who ever slighted him. I dont know if the ego would allow the possibility of another loss.
While I appreciate your trying to explain this, I have a hard time with people who sell their souls to win. I just can't wrap my head around this, and I cant forgive any of them.
I appreciate this guys honesty. I stopped voting Republican after the 2004 election and it was solidified after watching all the racist nonsense against Obama that was completely uneccesary and desperate looking....But the GOP lost their way about 50 years ago in reality.
Yes I voted for Reagan in 1980 the only vote I regret. Reagan sold us a bill of goods about balancing the budget and getting our financial house in order. Then all he did is give the rich and corporations huge tax cut and ballooned the deficit to new records. Along with all the other BS he pulled. I have never voted for a Republican since. I was told that Nixon’s corruption and criminality wasn’t typical. What I have realized since that corruption and criminality in the Republican Party is very much the norm. Even the so called good Republicans who oppose Trump were just fine with disenfranchising those groups not weren’t likely to vote for them. Gerrymandering congressional districts not to protect incumbents which has always been a tradition, but to steal representation. So while the Republicans who oppose Trump aren’t fascists they are still a far cry from being good people.
Yes Republicans embraced the racists with Nixon’s Southern strategy and the Republican Party has been the racist dog whistle party ever since, at least until Trump. This is why they love him so much. Trump and MAGA are the KKK Party. Even the KKK will tell you so.
I am 77 and a lifelong democrat so can remember (just barely) a time when political differences were not a matter of democracy vs fascism. I admire Tim's ability to see and exolain what's been going on so ckearly and welcome him to the other side.
Dear Mr. Miller, this is only the beginning of your redemption not the end. You have helped tear apart families and American democracy. I had to lie to my students when they asked if we were still a democracy. I couldn’t bring myself to tell them what I sincerely believe, it is too late for this republic.
I have a young male relative who wound up working as a GOP aide in DC. He was unable to find employment after graduating from college in 2014, so his mother, who was at a lunch where their GOP representative's wife was in attendance, mentioned his plight to the woman. Yes, everyone involved is white, privileged, benign but not particularly competent. Presto - sonny has a job in DC and off he goes. His story exactly tracks this man's description of his experience. He described his work as a huge "rush' trolling democratic candidates during campaign stops, creating misleading click-bait to exploit social media and voters' lack of sophistication. Basically, someone I believed was, at his core, a decent, kind, intelligent human is now among the several people whom I am convinced would have been among the "I was just following orders" Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s. He had no concern at all for the effect of his actions on our democracy, or on individuals. Not only massively disappointing; it's frightening because he and his family of origin (who are all GOP) can't finish a sentence without mentioning Jesus.
I am Mexican American I don't seek help or approval from white people regarding the rights of my people to armed self defense against racist white people. Somebody who stands with the Ukraine against Russian tyranny should understand that. Ukrainians were stupid for listening to Bill Clinton to give up their nuclear weapons. Only an idiot depends on Democrats to protect them. My guns are more reliable than Democrat promises. Viva la Raza Unida! Remember the deacons for defense! Armed minorities are harder to oppress A Shout Out to Ruth Buzzy Ginsburg.. for betting Democrat chips on Hilary Clinton to win The Supreme Court of the United States finally acknowledged that armed self-defense is a human right denied to most women around the world, in places like Europe, India and China. Rapists love gun control. I am not surprised at Democrat pro-rape attitudes or their condescending and sometimes racist comments against SCOTUS
Obviously at his core he wasn’t decent or kind. Anyone who gets a kick out of trolling, spreading lies and damaging his country is amoral. Saying Jesus frequently seems to be a common method these amoral types use to justify their unethical behavior. “I’m working for Jesus so my lies, cruelty and encouragement of hate are in service of the christian holy war.” Disgusting
Bring up Matthew 25:40. Jesus is in one's neighbor no matter their circumstances. They are blasphemous to speak the name of Jesus but bow down to the beast.
It's why Hannah Arendt was wise to subtitle "Eichmann in Jerusalem" with the phrase "The Banality of Evil". The worst moments in human history weren't carried out by monsters, by ordinary "good" human beings he convinced themselves to act like monsters.
Thank you sir for your accountability and articulated clarity 🙏 The light has been shown. I appreciate your voice and and insight shared so generously. Thank you again. Don't stop..we need your voice.
This conversation confirms all my worst fears about - and for - American democracy. If this guy is typical of Washington politics, any possibility of genuine democracy is DOA.
No. My worst fear is worse. Thirty to 40% of the electorate are so depraved and criminal that they will never stop trying to hurt real Americans. They will always fall for the CRT bs or the migrant caravan bs or the deep state bs because they hate America. I think I've been more than fair about waiting for years and simply observing right wingers. I have not seen any significant self-reflection, integrity or any virtue in this group. All I see is vicious hatred and a level of ignorance of the world, history and society that is breathtaking. To be fair, I don't even consider conservatives to be human any more. They're just this dangerous group of fascists who will commit another genocide because conservative and genocide go together like peanut butter and jelly. Afterwards, they won't even take responsibility. They'll blame people like this guy or Trump or anyone rather than accept even a smidgeon of personal responsibility. Oh.. and they'll send thoughts and prayers because actually making amends will be too difficult for this subhuman class of creatures. Look, they already don't think I'm a human being. Why should I grant a conservative the classification of human when they exhibit nothing humane? They weep more for burning buildings or cities than they do about the fact that the police murdered a man in plain view. They fight harder to protect their 2nd amendment rights than the lives of... pick a mass shooting, any mass shooting. Sandy Hook for example. Cute little kids. They'd be in high school and their lives were stolen. Did conservatives care? No. What kind of human would be capable of that? Answer, not a real human. Haven't conservatives fucked up the US enough? Every time we work to include them, it has always come with great cost to life and human suffering. Why do we have a 3/5s clause in the Constitution? Why did we have to engage in a Civil War? Why did we have Jim Crow laws? Why did we have a bombing in Philly? Why do we have a prison pipeline and 25% of our population in prisons? That's just the highlights of what Conservatives have done in the US. If we include the world, it gets worse. We've installed brutal dictators who have abused their people. We have funded terrorist groups such as the ones in the Iran Contra affair. We've ravaged and pillaged. We start wars for fun to kill people in the Middle East and then, we wag our fingers when they say "Death to the US". Please.. just once can the left finally admit the truth and do what is necessary so that no more humans suffer because we allow those subhuman conservatives a say in our country? Let's rip the Constitution up and start a new better more perfect union that explicitly disallows conservatives. That kind of nation will be a light and show the best of humanity. Not by force. Not by lies. Just by being excellent to each other and showing what a real society can be.
I'm thinking this is a human nature problem. Set up better arrangements, create a better system, and get better outcomes to bring out the better angels of our nature. 🕊️ 🎄
This why I spell it as Repugnant Party. Then there is "Gyp Our People". "They can call me a libtard all they want. I still have a few more rational brain cells than the most brilliant maggat.
I agree. And I think it has a lot to do with fear. Conservatives are afraid of everyone else, and that's because their leadership intentionally keeps them that way. If you're afraid, you're willing to harm the enemy.
Honest is the wrong word. He's strategically switching sides. He saw his ship was sinking and he jumped ship. Now he wants onto another boat that's still afloat.
I understand the skepticism, but it is possible he is being genuine. Time will tell. I believe he is right about the "game" becoming an addiction. I have seen this before. I am glad he is speaking about his experience & observations. It's interesting for those of us interested in Psychology. Still stay true 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
Huh! Wake up and smell the coffee. This guy and all these so-called anti-Trump guys are a bunch of hypocrites. They knew what the values of the Republican party really were. Miller worked for an organization that despised the LGBTQIA community. The Republican party actively persecuted that community and Miller helped them. Even the title of his book is a cop out. It should be "Why I Did It". Tim Miller can only speak for himself. Instead, he tries to spread the blame around to exempt himself. Like all these converts to democratic values, they knew what values the Republicans held dear, and it was not democracy. The Republicans became a white supremacy party when they embraced the "southern strategy" strategy of Richard Nixon. It was all downhill from there.
"Win at all costs" is the Republican strategy. Democrats' unwillingness to embrace that strategy is their vulnerability, which they see as integrity. And it is integrity, which is something we should all value in our leadership. The problem is that a third of the country loves the "win at all costs" kind of battle that rewards extreme moves that the other side can't even imagine. I appreciate this guy's honesty about the kind of competitiveness that is driving this problem. I hope he is now working to counter all the damage that his actions created.
Oh the Democrats have it in them all right, but they’re only capable of attacking and disenfranchising (creating onerous ballot access laws, suing off the ballot, trying to re-engineer FEC rules to starve them of legitimate campaign funding, censoring out of debates ) alternative parties like the Greens. And that is just as much tearing down democracy as anything else being done.
Much of the problem is structural to our election system. It's harder to punish Republicans for bad behavior because the electoral thumb is on the scale for them. They can win the presidency and senate with a minority of the vote. Then with that power appoint r right ring judges for life. Since they control more legislatures they also have more power to gerrymander and stack the deck in the house as well.
Exactly, the Democrats have what's known as "the courage of their convictions". Mitch McConnell is the complete opposite. When he pushed through Amy dingbat to the Supreme Court I asked several of my Republican friends how they can support a party that would do a 180 after making up their own "rule" 4 years earlier. All I ever got was a shrug of the shoulders, they wouldn't even try to defend it.
If Democrats play like Republicans, then our country is definitely lost. I get frustrated too with how Republicans so far have got away with these lies and this behavior, but if everyone becomes like them just to win, it all falls apart.
Trump said march, protest, have your voices heard, but be peaceful! That is exactly what he said! Exactly like in Charlottesville. He said they were good people on both sides, talking about the people protesting for and against tearing down statues. None of those people were fascist or neo-Nazis etc. Actually contrary to white people have been brainwashed to believe, fascism is a left-wing ideology. If you understand anything about the extreme right you would know that there’s nothing authoritarian about it. Far right extreme right that is anarchy! Trump said about Charlottesville and at least eight or 10 other times which what’s your name Kayleigh McEnany document it in a press briefing making the press looks stupid! She quoted all the different times he condemned nazis and white supremacy, including after Charlottesville. Right out there he said they were good people on both sides he said but I am not talking about the neo-Nazis and white supremacists that showed up. The main stream media selectively edits him to make him look bad and they have been caught doing it over and over and over. Just like they now want to deny that the Democrats and Biden and the main stream media and MSNBC and CNN and everybody on the left said the vaccine stops transmission. If you get the vaccine you don’t need a mask you don’t need to social distance you can do whatever you want. Everyone knew that was bullshit. Everyone knew that the lockdowns were bullshit. From the very beginning the data was showing that there’s only old people and fat people dying. This was about money power and control and it’s the biggest transfer of wealth from the lower and middle class to the upper class and two pharmaceutical companies in American history. It was also a PsyOp to see how much they can get away with. And we have known for a long time because of them saying it and emails and other information that has been revealed that the lost the Democrats the Biden ministration New York and California have been absolutely straight up fascist! They have been working with big tech and social media companies to censor speech when it comes to stories they don’t want exposed and anyone saying anything from the right regardless of what it is. This has been proven and documented! This is insane. This is straight up the definition of fascism. The government working with corporations against the people. That is the definition of fascism and it’s the Democrats doing it.
It wasnt a riot under any description. watch the footage..slow walking low energy for Most..a couple hand fulls did become violent. U dont ever hear about the white woman shot & killed for breaking a window.
Thank you, Tim, for your introspection in all of this; it will help change the whole political environment. And you have been one of the people I have been listening to since you started the Bulwark podcast, keeping me sane. That what I was seeing in Trump is true and horrifying. Thank you, thank you for your brilliance and speaking out! I so appreciate you. 😌😌
This is the conversation we need to have. It has really bothered me that the people in power are following the base instead of being leaders. I will never forget McCain correcting the constituent that called Obama a Muslim. That is what a leader does. I'm democrat but if Liz Cheney can agree to come to the middle, I'd vote for her for her integrity. A true leader.
I remember that, too. I have long thought that McCain was a good guy in a political party that was becoming more and more corrupt. McCain made sense and showed integrity when he wasn't under the thumb of the RNC. I don't share many of Liz Cheney's principles, but I do see her as a principled person. If she loses the primary, I hope she runs as an independent. God knows the R's need more people like her in Congress.
I live in Arizona, I am a Democrat and I voted for John MCCain. He was the sane voice of the republican party. He wanted to make laws for people, not republican people only. He cared.
@@clevestercrittenden2089 Moderate Republicans are getting hard to find. I live in Alabama and our state is so gerrymandered that the extremes win out (Mo Brooks, Tubberville that was at the meeting with Trump on Jan 5th, etc) In these environs, I'm called a liberal democrat:)
You know I now realize I feel sorry sorry for my family that still believes in the big lie. Will they ever snap out of it? I don't have to be right but I need them to realize that they were wrong. Their health has been affected by their anger
What wasn’t discussed is the power of propaganda. When he says that Republican voters WANT Trumpism, he skips over the fact that they were made to want him. That is not a “bottom up” phenomenon; that is a tippy-top of the tippiest-top to the very bottom phenomenon. It’s a very effective way that the corporate ruling class controls politicians through by using the science of propaganda (justified as “free speech”) to manipulate the electorate into demanding absolutism and authoritarianism in the service of the wealthiest families and corporations among us.
I'm sorry but people that go totally all in on stuff like that never do. They will do what they've done all their lives & what they're good at. They will.learn to mouth the new pleasantries & improve the timing of their smiles & they'll...fit in. They'll cover up & some of them.will actually pvt'ly believe that if they can remain undetected for an accceptable amt of time that this will constitute forgiveness of a sort. As long as they keep some of their opinions to themselves, they'll go on holding them as truths. Just waiting for someone in authority to enable them to come out again. Look how long a lot of them have gone already privately believing in some of this stuff! The problem now is our new digital memory where nothing can be truly erased or forgotten. It's on US now to decide how much importance we'll be attaching to it all. This is not the province of grudge holding, altho there will be many who.will.decry it as such. This is a matter of therapy and self protection on a nat'l scale. And the first thing we're going to have to do is get real comfortable discussing it.
I would recommend reading up on Steve Hassan he's a expert on cults. And mind control, he's explains that trump supports are in cult and been indoctrinated and he talks about how to get through to them he's wrote a book the cult of trump.
I’ve been saying this for a while now but it’s refreshing to hear someone verify this from the inside. Many Societies do not go bad at the bottom, they go bad at the top and this shows how, how people justify supporting evil, how they rationalise it and compartmentalise it because it doesn’t affect them…until it does, until the message and reality are so at odds with each other they cannot ignore it. I knew I was right but it’s nice to hear an insider confirm it.
The saddest thing about this interview is about Elise Stefanik. When I first read about her in a NYTimes article, I was very impressed with her. She was smart, moderate and I could agree with her. When I saw that she became a full fledged Trump supporter and MAGA proud Republican, I was disappointed and sickened as I felt we lost a truly decent person and politician to a maniac.
@first last A defining trait of sociopaths is their ability to pretend to be rational, sane, and caring. A person who has internalised moral norms, and has a healthy level of empathy and a fundamental respect for the truth isn't able to maintain the pretence of being a fascist for long. The real Elise Stefanik is the one you see now.
Tim Miller, I'm an ex-republican, and I agree with what you had to say in this utube video; looking forward to reading your book; keep talking, we who believe in our Constitution and country need to hear your thoughts.
Terrific interview. Good to have Miller's view from inside, his confirmation about highly-placed individuals, and his acknowledgement that the GOP is going the way of Trump because that is what the rank and file GOP are looking for. And that makes it an intractable problem, or nearly so.
We need to start telling the politicians that we insist they no longer tolerate the media outlet's claims of news are never allowed to do so, when they are actually listed as entertainment! We need truth in media outlet's with no exceptions! 💪🇺🇲
At 18:20 Tim talks about the GOP just trying to please their extremist voters, but he (fails to see?) That the GOP created & built that extremism that they now need to cow to
oh he does, hes talked about it in other interviews, he does them alot as a fairly prominent anti Trumper, and thats part of what he talks about when he discusses his compartmentalization and ambition overriding his morality.
Thank you, Tim for your honesty and humility. I came along the same road to repentance you did and I think messages like yours may help people still trapped to discern and admit their deeper motives. Maybe they can wake up; I always pray for that awakening.
It is Simple. Winning is more important than principles and effective governance. Owning the libs is the entire platform for the GOP, and they will oppose even the most logical and reasonable proposals put forth by Dems.
YES. Take Mitch McConnell. He supported everything Trump did except the election overthrow attempt, but he CAN'T STAND the man - baby!. H He has opposed or blocked EVERYTHING Obama and Biden have tried to pass except for disaster aid or military budgets. The GOP won't lead, won't follow, and REFUSES to get out of the way.
Yes. The GOP has even opposed legislation that they themselves had proposed previously. For example, Obamacare (the Affordable Care Act) was based almost entirely on Romneycare -- the healthcare bill passed in Massachusetts under Mitt Romney in 2006 when he was governor there. But the GOP viciously attacked it after Obama supported it.
Yeah, like not agreeing men can get pregnant and that biological men should shower with 11 year old girls in the locker room. What is the GOP thinking to oppose this?
Even the Mafia has some morals. They take care of "their own", for instance, if 'Big Paulie' goes upstate for 8-10 then they take care of his family until he comes home to them. They don't kill women & kids. U think the Republican party has such morals? Hell no! When the Republican party starts slashing & burning social programs like food stamps, they don't give a shyt if poor kids are going to bed hungry at night! Or having to eat shitty, non-nutritious food like ramen noodles & hotdogs everyday just to stretch those food stamps till the end of the month. Then they (the repukes) wanna say "well, they get a hot meal @ school", but they've also slashed that budget so badly that the quality of the food is akin to prison food & the kids won't eat it, so that's a waste of taxpayers $!! I even remember when Reagan tried to make ketchup a vegetable on kids lunch trays! Old POS! I'd be happy if every Republican was at the bottom of the sea!
Our reaction to 9-11 and the election of Trump: the two events of my lifetime that killed my understanding of America as a place of good people with good intentions.
Two real low points. I assume you’re talking about the use of 9-11 to topple Saddam Hussein at a cost of a trillion dollars and thousands of lives -nothing to do with wmd or terrorists. Sickening that people will turn into a mob so easily. The good news is the nutballs are almost all on one side and there are decent people you can vote for.
You need to start reading a lot more history! Our leaders have done some pretty appalling things in the past and sometimes it's hard to find the facts! If you dive in deep you will find some pretty nasty things that have been glossed up to make them seem not so bad! Try watching drunk history to get a start!
Could it be, that when we come from abusive families and don't choose to reflect on that as an adult and heal the pain, instead we bury those feelings and since they don't go away until we DO heal them - then they latch onto these abusive characters as a way to vicariously relive our early life experiences. Family dynamics wins, once again. Great interview, thank you for your truth.
Thank you for a dive into the psychology of how this enabling and supporting is happening! As a counselor and chaplain it has been beyond my comprehension, especially for so many people who spout their morality, to act this very immoral and undemocratic way!
Okay, let me spell out my support for Trump. 1. Got control of our out of control border. Stopped the chaos down there and the human suffering that comes with it. 2. Made the US energy independent 3. Was respected around the world by foreign leaders, especially in the Middle East and reached a historic agreement with Israel and Arab world 4. Created one of the most dynamic booming economies in recent memory 5. Got tough with China and put an end to the ridiculous one-sided deals they were getting from previous administrations. So, this is a rational expose of support for Trump's policies, backed up by facts and not emotions. Is Trump a strong example of moral leadership? No, he's not, but the alternative to Trump was the pathological lying wife of a serial rapist, so maybe you can explain over-coming your own moral conscience to vote for that. What we have right now is utter chaos. Economic, societal, and financial. Biden is a walking disaster. How may more made up fictional stories about all his past blue collar jobs do you need to hear to understand what he is? If Trump is bad, Democrats are far worse. What choice did we have?
@@samsabiss I don't know anybody who thinks society is better. It's been on a downward spiral for 2 decades. Just visit San Fransisco and you'll see what I mean
I know… this is so outrageous that these politicians either don’t care or don’t consider that real live people buy their bullsh*t and will destroy the country because of it.
But dont question my sexuality! Effinf creep this miller guy, despite some capacity for reflection. He was willing to mess with major trouble for fun and profit
@@CaramelSwatches This is what scares me, most of these people cannot be saved. They'd have to first have the self awareness to recognize what's going on, and then they'd have to be willing to do the work and I just don't find that realistic.
Thanks for being honest, hindsight verses insight. The youth, others like this gentleman are the leaders of the future. How we treat one another is more important than winning at all cost.
I think that there are certain psychological aspects of people who love the "game" of politics. One is apparently a lack of empathy. Another is a total dismissal of the need for honesty and adherence to ethics. Apparently a raw competitive nature where people are pawns who are unceremoniously sacrificed to win the "game" is also significant. It's a disgusting, selfish and unnecessary way of running society. I also don't believe it's coincidental that all these shitty people end up very very wealthy.
I totally agree. This is driven by the psychology of people. Such a "mindset" allows them power over (to play with) people, to see them transactionally (as pawns in a game of chess, as pawns who can help them win, or as objects who are their enemy). This "raw competitive nature" to "win at any cost" (a deviancy) exists not only in politicians, but in a subset percentage of all people. I believe such psychological deviancy exists at a greater percentage in people who go on to become "leaders" - CEOs, military leaders, church leaders, political leaders, PTA-board leaders, etc. Lack of empathy and sociopathy/psychopathy are replicating in society. Children see them as "winners" and try to learn from them, emulate them. Social media empowers them, makes their words/actions ubiquitous. Social media also allows these deviant people to "find each other, no matter where they live on the planet" and to organize into larger coordinated groups. facebook helps politicians (and putin/Russia) directly target (influence) any group, including these deviant ones. facebook controls/owns instagram, whatsapp, etc. These are reasons why society has become a major mess, a cesspool of the worse people becoming the most powerful (and rich). For a solution... we all need to openly ardently speak out against these deviants. And we have to "Out" their supporters, including those in our own families & social groups - show them that these deviant people are dangerous. We must challenge trump's supporters, asking why they support a person who (in Access Hollywood audio, to Billy Bush) clearly admitted to forcibly sexually assaulting women (he was encouraging Billy Bush to "grab them by their pu$#ies"). He admitted not only doing so in the past - but his intent was TO CONTINUE TO DO it (sexually attack women). He was not only not ashamed, he felt it was "acceptable". Ask people WHY they support an admitted sexual predator. Don't let them ignore the audio - they can't claim it was "fake" or "doctored" without giving certifiable proof of it being so. If they won't believe it, ask them why. Also, give them other examples (trump said "there was blood coming out of her whatever" about Megyn Kelly who asked him difficult questions) - (thefederalist.com/2015/08/07/trump-megyn-kelly-had-blood-coming-out-of-her-whatever/ ). Use other examples of his verbal violence against women & people. There's also video of trump's daughter laughingly agreeing that he's a sexual predator (ua-cam.com/video/tkYC7tHUAns/v-deo.html ) - jokes often have a nugget of truth in them - Ivanka knows her dad is deviant. To any trump supporter in our social circle whom we challenge, we should not let them change the subject, to get off the hook. If they can't explain why they support a deviant dangerous person, we must tell them we will stop interacting with them (even if they're our family member) until they can explain their blind harmful adulation - or until they take-back their mind by seeing the dangers. Tell them they support a lawbreaker who harms others. Many examples of this also in court documents (where trump didn't pay contractors he hired - they did the work - and instead he sued them). Sorry I went on this last tangent. I feel WE need to take action & challenge their supporters to "snap out of it". There are few mechanisms society has to fix this. Republicans removed many tools our govt had to remove corruption. It's up to us democratic voters. We need to be vocal, even if doing so makes us personally uncomfortable (as I am here). Our society's only chance is to vote out the deviants & their sycophants. I believe we're in peril of becoming Russia with a putin as "king".
Well said. I've long thought that we could create a Wall Street stock market game, then unplug the trading center and plug it into the game. The rest of us could then go on to live our lives in peace. Apparently the same could be done for DC politics.
I have such mixed emotions about Tim but I am grateful that he is taking responsibility for his part in the destruction of this country. I am grateful that he is telling the truth about the "bubble" that is DC and how it is all about raw power and the proximity to it. And as for the Dems, here's what I say to Tim; you need to get in there with them and help them change. Redeem yourself by fixing what you broke in the "bubble."
Really, you think the way to fix the Dems is with people like Tim Miller? He didn't say one word in this interview that should be news to anybody that follows politics.
He has to be willing to convince people with deep-seated racism that the real boogeyman is capitalism with no moral restraint. The wealthiest and most privileged people in this country are just fine with struggling whites believing that struggling blacks and Latinos are the cause of all their problems. That sense of feeling cheated by poor people has been drilled into their brains for DECADES by Fox News and other right-wing media owned by wealthy elites, many of whom don’t pay a dime in taxes and are insanely invested in keeping that status quo and the narrative that got it for them (including everything from “they’re going to rape your daughter if you don’t own enough high powered weapons” to “they’re coming to take Christmas away”). The message is simple. The convincing of tens of millions of ignorant people fed a steady but attractive diet of lies upon lies is not.
It’s bad advice to compromise more. That’s the problem, the American left rarely holds uncompromisable positions out of principle. They are afraid of being ‘radical’ - yet it shouldn’t matter if it is a good idea, and no one should doubt it is the right that is really really radical.
The Red team. Exactly. It’s like a football game. Politics and government shouldn’t be a game. Running a country is complex and requires compromise and hard work to make life better for everyone
People vote like politics are armchair sports. That's how we get this leadership. If we want change, we have vote it and demand accountability from our public servants.
The sports analogy is very fitting and I've been using it for years. Some sports figures can get away with anything in the minds of their fans. A team can get caught deflating footballs and repeatedly get caught cheating and their fans will never leave. They'll defend their team to the end of the Earth. They'll find a way to excuse any action. I remember watching Tyson/Holyfield and listening to people in the room defending Tyson biting off Evanders ear and spitting it out on the canvas. One person kept denying it even happened. Other fight sports figures that immediately come to mind are Conor McGregor and Jon Jones. Many of their fanatics would be in complete denial of any wrongdoing.
Republicans don't want a better life for everyone. Just themselves. So if they have to ruin others to get what they want it's simply collateral damage to them.
@@crismcdonough2804 yeah I agree with you. Wouldn’t it be amazing if both parties worked to make the USA better? The USA could really be the greatest country ever. But actually the Republicans do things to sabotage progress and make things worse because then they blame the Democrats and the strategy helps them win elections. They just want money and power for themselves. They don’t care about trying to make the country better
@@crismcdonough2804 I am a split party ticket voter, meaning I vote by candidate and issues, not by party affiliation. The difference that I have found between the party voters is this: Conservative Republicans are willing to cut off their noses to spite their face. How this plays out in today"s political climate? "Owning a lib" takes up the largest portion of any energy being put into politics. Little is left or used to seek out, select, support, or vote better candidates. Competing is more important than the actual game or results. We might be righter than we realize about this sports mentality. I come from generations of people that played sports with the mentatlity "walk it off and keep playing." The reality is those sports were not prioritizing children's health and safety. We didn't even have the science or understanding behind why some of those sports activities are not being managed well until recently. Sports for children have been used to teach team work, the strive for individual excellence, and competition. These dynamics get internalized into the fabric of our being and culture to the point we don't even question IF we should be playing them at all or how they should change. Trumpist are not going back into the the fold of Republicans because they detest their RINO self serving leadership. Most RINO leaders have not done anything for their bases. They have leaned more moderate as a way of attracting voters, often doing nothing more than lip service. Trumpist were a marginalized and disenfranchised by the party leadership and they are fighting not to become that to all of society. You won't find them "turning back" to reality from the rabbit hole that Con Man took them down. It's not going to happen because they don't realize that they don't have to vote RINO or Trumpist...or switch to Democrat. They can support new blood. They can rebuild the party. One holdup? They don't know how or where to begin. And the Con has left them damaged in a way that they don't trust to listen and learn. Look where that listening has gotten them and it's hard to recover from a Con. They are doubling down where they stand. Taking it for the team. Win or Lose.
A blast from the very recent past. It was nostalgic to hear Tim say “if Trump decides to run again”, to refer to Liza Cheney’s ongoing battle leading the Jan 6 commission, to hear him say “depending on what happens with McCarthy as speaker”. A lot has happened since then.
Excellent interview conducted by Walter Issacson. He asks short, incisive questions, and lets the guest, Mr. Miller, answer in a fulsome, detailed manner. Of the 18 minute interview, Issacson spoke for maybe two minutes total. If, for example, Rachel Maddow or Chris Hayes, had the same 18 minutes, each would have spoken for at least nine of the 18 minutes, and we, the audience would have gotten half of Miller's insights. Bravo to both interviewer and guest. Amanpour & Company have the best interviews of all the news outfits, cable and network. Thanks for the great content.
Yeah right. I can take about two minutes listening to this craven opportunist miller guy. You on the other hand sound like u r creaming your jeans listening to him
You are not correct. Chris and Rachel do wonderful interviews where they coax out the guest with good questions, not softballs. Perhaps you are thinking of their opening statements, where they (Rachel especially) introduce, then discuss a subject with support from analogies drawn to other events and ideas?
This was a very scary interview. The ending didn't leave me with much promise, though to be honest, I was pretty much at that point before I even watched it. The Right -- politicians and news media -- has been creating an over-the-top Us vs Them (Good vs Evil) framework for many years. Now it has paid off for them, if you consider the craziness we live in nowadays as a payoff. Who is worse, Marjorie Taylor Greene or the people who vote for her? We're in a lot of trouble.
There is a God. Remember that and pray for healing. Be a doer of good. Sometimes God allows things to happen when we get so far off track. He allows things to unfold when those who know better don't do better. When we don't speak out on evil and point out wrong and sin and fight legally for accountability and justice. Then in His time He avenges the righteous. Unfortunately, perhaps some of our suffering could have been avoidable if only we had spoken up, taken action and did the aforementioned. Chin up. Hands raised. Heart humbled. Pray.
Who is worse, Marjorie Taylor Greene or the people who vote for her? I would say the people who vote for her. She is a product of her past ( a lot of which are given) and present choices. People who vote get to chose their politicians.
When these selfish people start talking you realize how simple and unevolved they really are, that they fully invested in something they weren't fully aligned with and over time, because the human soul must feel integrated and aligned, their identity and consciousness became compromised and they lost touch with their higher self. They run on ego and animalistic fulfillment of games. Time to take responsibility. I understand they enjoyed the process, but look at the sufferring that vulnerable people have experienced as the result of Trumpism. We can hope that when real leaders stand, people will see the difference and take it more seriously. We must evolve as a species and not let people fall prey.
Thanks to all the interviews like this, Miller's book is #2 on the NYT bestseller list and his Democratic establishment friends who watch him as an MSNBC contributor are so thrilled for him! Cashing in on "the game" continues.
Having worked in PR when young, writing speeches for corporate CEO's, I very much understand the desire to be near power. It was only a personal crisis that caused me to break away.
Similar experience, but different cause: for me it was realizing that I really didn't like or respect the people in power. I didn't want to be anything like them, which made it an easy choice to walk away.
Voters don't have the slightest idea what trump will do to them and the country will be destroyed and there lives will be worse off then now when they loose there SSI and Medicare and have nothing left and be sorry that what they done to themselves it will be to late 😢
One of the most enlightening analyses of fascistic Republicanism I've ever seen. I hope many moderate Republicans read and consider this man's book before the next election.We are clearly on the road back to the Civil War period of racial hatred, disempowerment of women, and a contempt for working class people. That the working class voters love and support the very politicians who keep them in economic misery is a mystery to me. Tim Miller helped me understand their thinking.
But..... the working class was doing better under Donald Trump. However you feel about that, and however you feel about Donald Trump, that's an objective fact. How do you consolidate that with your theory? How are higher gas prices and food prices better for the working class? Reducing jobs in the energy sector? How does Joe Biden resolve the issues you have for the working class?
Trump did nothing to help the working class, he just gave tax breaks to his rich cronies. Everything he did, from slashing veteran's aid money to dismantling environmental protection, was done for his rich cronies
Rebel mouth are you really going to use gas prices and food costs to tout Trump? Gas prices are going down, I suppose you'll credit 45 for that now. Food and other prices are set by large companies who make outrageous profits on the backs of working poor. Think a little, drive slower, read more and wake up to the facts. By the way Trump never cared for the little guy, he just wanted you to buy guns and a bigger truck.
@@kevinrichards481 I'm not touting Trump I don't think- I think my question was specifically "how can you argue that Trump was worse for the American working class, when by certain metrics life was better for them"? When people act condescending and say "read the facts" online instead of simply taking two sentences to type them out, or point out a source, it's more than likely because that person is an arrogant clown who doesn't actually have facts and assumes they are out there and support their case, without having actually done the research. By all means, feel free to explain EXACTLY where in the supply chain these big corporations are the problem when 60% of farmland is owner operated in the United States. Do you screech "corporations bad!" at every problem you see like a Bernie Sanders Pull n Speak? You do realize that if you concede Joe Biden had an impact on the energy market,( which I think would be pretty foolish not to as he explicitly stated it was his goal and signed legislation to do so) you also have to concede Joe Biden impacted food prices. Fertilizer, fuel and food. Just look at how much energy and petroleum based products are used in agriculture.
NOTICE: From 14:28 to 14:52, he says the real problem is the GOP's base that demands "fighting the left, cruelty and nativism (racism)" from its elected officials, and he admits he does NOT cover this in his book. God bless him. He just saved me a lot of time.
So he's tailoring to his audience then like a self-interested slimy coward as usual. Doesn't have the balls to admit it in the book, but does to an already receptive audience. Most people here already worked out that's what the GOP base is.
Yea, this is why I hate when people say it's both sides that are dividing us, esp when I've had to watch centrist dems try to reach across the aisle for years now. It's not both sides, not even close to being on the same level anyway.
Many of our fellow Americans, unfortunately won’t wake up, until it too late. Somehow (speaking for myself as well) we have to become United. Make America United Again, Keep America a Democracy
Tim Miller has finally explained why people in power have kissed Trumps ring even though they hate him. I’ve always reached out to Trump loyalists I’ve encountered & they have been unwilling to consider listening to facts, everything I say is fake or a conspiracy according to them. I’m exhausted just trying to get them to just listen instead of deflecting without letting me finish a sentence. I’m terrified our democratic way of life will soon come to an end😔
I worked on Capitol Hill for five years and what Tim Miller says about the “addiction” found in DC political types IS THE TRUTH: 9:45 DC political types are mostly just a bunch of privileged (usually white) nerds/dorks DESPERATE to be important or at least be around important people. They want to be “in the room” and then go hang out at Georgetown bars and hopefully get laid. Only people who have worked in DC politics know how truly selfish, cynical, hypocritical, perverse and revolting (and wack AF!) these people are. Mad props to Tim for at least calling out their BS.
I still think if we get money out of politics (no lobbyist kickbacks, no stock investments, no outside company ownership) would help because only people who want to make a difference would be there.
I have a great deal of respect for the courage this man they used to work for Trump is displaying. I am astonished and sorry for him, since he himself is a member of a protected group. This is not games, and we are about to become a Fascist state.
He’s selling his conversion. It about money and power now just as it was then. I couldn’t trust a sleazy guy like that. I mean he actively worked against LGBTQ people by election people who wanted us not to exist. I can’t ever forgive that.
In other words #TimMiller crossed certain lines because of his ego, as many of us suspect most political figures (including those behind the scenes) do. #HubrisIsPowerful! Powerful enough to send your nation spiraling into a precipitous mad descent! He wasn't worried about where he was going to get his next meal, or how he would be able to meet his loved ones needs. Why would he ever concern himself for anyone else but the needs & wants of his! Ah, gotta love #TheTrueAmericanWay!
I really appreciate your comments, your honesty, Tim. It is helping me to understand how one can get caught up in the machine. It will take a very long time, however, to make me understand how so many decent ppl could listen to Trump's constant spew of hatred day after day after day and not wonder about that being the right path. What voters want is decent jobs, living wages, healthcare and affordable housing, not Trumpism.
It's funny how people turn around when all of a sudden the policies of your party turn against you, never mind the fact that the same policies had always been absolutely horrible to other people.
The mixture of religion and politics on the right means that everything they do is ordained by god, so anything they do to support that is acceptable. Lying, cheating and killing become acceptable to support that goal because everything is divinely mandated to carry out god's will. It is also an inherent part of sectarian systems that survival of the beliefs is no different than survival of the people and that supersedes any accommodation of a competing belief or idea. Compromise becomes an unacceptable solution because it dilutes the faith and compromise is an inherent part of any democracy. Fascism becomes the only acceptable political outcome.
Yes! And the religious right claims to love the constitution, the USA yet they are nuking everything that has to do with separation of church and state. Disgusting , self serving, greedy hypocrites.
I will never understand people who can work for evil doers, doing evil things towards evil goals.... and claim they are not evil themselves.
It's just a "game" to them.
Listen. They say it often.
@@flangekiwi That's what psychopaths do.
Isn’t it funny like Alyssa Farah and Stephanie Gresham and all these people now go on CNN and talk about how bad Trump is but yet they all worked for him and were in the trenches.
They lose credibility in my eyes.
1930’s Germany comes to mind.
I've been in D.C. for 54 years. ANYTHING is possible here. No evil too low, no fortune hunter too crass, no idiot too stupid.
“It’s easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled” - Mark Twain
Once the unions left they needed something to believe in and right wing filled the hole 😭
No one told them no in there lives 😂
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." ― Upton Sinclair,
But Tim Lindsey. You can tell how he wants to be. Like trump or in trumps orbit. He even. Cry’s. John McCain . . Would be so disappointed in him because Mc Cain. Would not have bowed down to trump. Never
I think they know how dangerous trump. But. I want. Miss Harris to win. But demorcy need to fight more aggressively
The real insidious and damaging people are the collaborators. Never underestimate someones ability to rationalize evil for personal power, wealth, and influence.
Exactly right .... The GOP and the Chump cultists supporters are just as morally bankrupt and dishonest as is Chump himself. They identify with the mafia level criminal behavior of Chump and are just fine with such for themselves if it gains something for themselves.
Well, even moreso never underestimate someone's ability to rationalize evil for what they perceive as a greater good, quite simply idealism, the most destructive impulse humans have is idealism because once you believe your path is the key to making the world a better place the things that keep it from becoming a hell fall by the wayside. This is true in the history of Christianity, Islam, communism and capitalism for all of these things, the regular people that allow monstrous behavior do so out of idealism.
Trump couldn't do anything on his own. He can barely feed and clothe himself. I assume he can bathe himself. But I really don't see trump being able to run a load of laundry, or find the refrigerator where they keep the diet cokes, or even find the place where all his clothes are kept.
He's a classic little rascals gang leader, a bully. He decides what they are gonna do. Then he gets his little gang to do all the work.
Well said!!
It has happened here in the UK too. The "old" Conservative party no longer exists. The current Tories in power are in thrall to the billionaire party funders and the right wing press - and it's all about greed and profit.
I find all of it heartbreaking as this has affected so many people around me living in Ohio. Some days I want to vomit the things coming out of people I once respected. It’s unbelievable to me how hateful they are and they believe not only are they right, they are the only ones “doing the Lord’s work”. They don’t seem to see they’ve switched gods and sold their souls😢 If they know better deep down, I don’t know how they live with themselves.
And to think Ohio used to be a Purple state. It’s so sad that you lost the chance at a really good senator, and now have an obstructionist extremist filled with trumpism & lies. Where this all ends, I don’t know, but we all must Vote Blue in every election. 💙🇺🇸
You can't save them. They don't have the ability to change.
Pride is a terrible thing. People cannot admit they have made a mistake. They are all around me and it is scary
I feel you. Southern Oregon is the same way.
@co7314 People can change. For some, they refuse to self evaluate until something shakes their world losing a loved one, losing their own freedom, killing another person. Other's learn by seeing an unacceptable act committed by others or something clicks - spoken or written -that suddenly makes sense... you recognize a lie that unravels the whole scene someone sold you.
“Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups” - George Carlin
And cruel people, and most of all dishonest!
When blatant lies and disinformation are used to gaslight and incite fear, anger and outrage in people, who don't realize they are getting brainwashed, you get the kind of unhinged, dangerously violent reactions we see from crooked Trump and his MAGA extremists. Everyone needs to calm down get a grip and see the BS for what it is.
@@MichaelSousa-tf6gi And yet again, you insist on demonstrating that "Meth is a hell of as drug."
@@MichaelSousa-tf6giYou are a perfect example of a delusional Trumper.
No one said dems don't have their issues but you'll soon realize the republican party is dead and the only way they stay will stay in power is to fuck you.
It is not a NEW BRAND, it is called FASCISM.
Agreed. He went along with the crazies almost to the very end.
The only reason I'm not instantly unsubscribing this channel, is because of the comments. Here I can find reason. But, it's a hard truth that this channel is now way to the bottom of my consideration.
Or Trumpism.
This little grifter was content being a Republican hit man knowing they hated people like him. He probably pretends that he doesn't know who Lee Atwater was. Atwater spelled out the Republican playbook before he died in the 1990's. Trump wasn't an aberration for the Republican Party, somebody like him was inevitable.
@@grantsmythe8625 Christo-FASCISM
This is pretty much what I remember my Dad and Uncle Arthur (both WWII veterans) telling me about how German people spoke in the late 1940s after the suicide of their leader Hitler. They talked waking up from a kind of hateful, fearful dreamworld. They were so filled with propaganda on all those subjects along with the absolute fear of being denounced for the smallest transgression that they dared not even doubt.
It scares me green that there is a whole political party still toting these so-called values. We are about one election away from a hostile takeover by the power hungry.
Rachel Maddow has a new podcast: Ultra.
Highly recommend 👍🏾
I don't think I am being paranoid when I say that soon there will be death camps all over these United States.Trump is bold.He says whatever he wants whenever he wants.You are going to someday have a President that will say out loud what Americans are really thinking of what to do to each other.
It was about economic
These solutions were a part of economic growth
The problem is the wrong information was submitted about a policy
A safety issue never to take away
Do prosecutor has the right to ask for private information from a false charge of trespassing
Because this is where the mix up with policy went the wrong way
How could I submit this to the prosecutor who wanted their private information I have been trying
I want to be cleared of this because of information that was requested without authorization
Is this why I became a victim of mental services
Keep in mind I was never against any sitting president
Love Tim Miller. Also love the way Walter Isaacson asks questions. Short set up and straight to the point - and the points are important ones. Really sets the guest up well.
My father, who died in 1975, used to joke that if you want to know what a Republican thinks, ask a Democrat what they think first and know that the Republican will automatically oppose the Democrat without any hesitation or thought.
Yet one has to recognize the Progressives, there are extremists on both sides. I’m a moderate democrat and they are not aligned with me!
@@triluna0 I consider myself as conservative with no party, making me a reluctant Democratic voter.
Your father was a very astute man, may he RIP
I always thought that if you wrote out a list of policies put forward by both R's and D's, without specifying which policies were which party's, most people would choose Dem policies. Why do Republicans always vote against their best interests? So many red states at the bottom of the pile for health, education, infrastructure etc, no wonder they're always angry and it's THEIR fault!
Your dad was a smart man.
In my opinion, trumpism has its roots back in the 1970's when the GOP decided that portraying the government as the enemy and going after the lower educated voter was the best way to get votes and limit government interventionism. The culmination of that strategy finds the GOP led by anti-government (including anti democratic government), anti-education, conspiracy minded, authoritarians.
Yes, one has to take the long view to understand today's predicament.
Thank you for that info. My problem was I was 18 in 1973 and not thinking about Politics a Lot so my history is vague .. My whole working life was thru Trickle Down and "Right to work" BS .. GQP controls for the rich .. Point is I am now Really paying attention as chump is going full fascist and I wonder how it all happened in a Democracy .. I understand the "Southern Strategy" but that was even before the 70's ...
Absolutely. Lee Atwater engineered the southern strategy and Bush bought into it with those Willie Horton ads
@@manuelhe46
I think Manuel has it right. It started with Nixon and top Republicans realizing that their voter base was no growing fast enough to allow them to win elections in the future. Nixon adopted Atwater's Southern Strategy and the Republican party recruited many white racists to their ranks.
That made "haters" a meaningful component of Republican votes. And, over years, as racism lost some of its strength they looked for other non-powerful groups they could use as hate targets in order to attract other groups of haters. Women, well educated people, Hispanics, immigrants in general, gays, non-Christians - new hateable fodder for recruitment tools.
Now the hate target is anyone who doesn't support Dear Leader.
I agree with your logic, but I think the rottenness goes much farther back in history. Barry Goldwater's candidacy in 1964 was based on the idea of government--even democratic government--as the enemy, and he didn't originate that idea. It's been at the core of Republican ideology going back to their catering to the railroads and Wall Street all the way back to the Gilded Age.
Why didn't more GOP do the right thing? Why didn't their consciences not allow them to? I knew who Trump was for decades. I am an ordinary Canadian. How could you and not others see it?
Same here. Oh, they saw it and knew who he was and they liked it. By his example, Trump allowed them to be their worst selves, too. He showed them how it is done and how to get away with it, and they LOVE him for it! F*** the rules! F*** ethical norms! F*** those illegals! It's all about me and what I want! How freeing! All they needed was a corrupt leader to show them the way. Sadly, they are not the good people they pretend to be.
They also knew who Trump was and they love him for it.
I saw him for what he was and is. So did the majority of voters in 2016. Our system evidently supports minority rule. We need to wake up!
The age old desire for power or being close to it (Lindsey!) explains it a lot of it.
Lynn, I don't understand why anyone would vote for any businessman that filed 6 bankruptcies.
What an incredible interview. "Oh what a tagled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive..." much love to Tim from Ottawa
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For those who may be interested, there was a German movie in the early 1980s called "Mephisto" - which won the oscar for best foreign movie - which deals with how a renowned actor, who backed socialist causes in the early 1930s found that collaborating with the Nazi's gave his career a great boost, turning him into someone completely unrecognizable at the end. Unrestrained careerism and lust for power and privilege - that's the basis of collaboration.
How do we get that downloaded to UA-cam!
It's also free.
Basis of corruptiom
Klaus María Brandauer
Great film.
Lindsey turned himself into a complete Trump sycophant becoming the biggest hypocrite in the senate. He’s an example of a morally bankrupt politician in a party with no ideas or aspirations other than power
Lindsey is such a sniveling greedy sellout worm his picture is in the dictionary under the word contemptable.
Maybe trump is blackmailing Him?
@@uptick888 About what? They don't care about corruption, and Lindsey's leanings are so obvious everyone would yawn if he tried to use that for shock value.
@@uptick888 "Friends" of tRump related stories of tRump setting up male acquaintances with some prostitute in one room that was wired and playing the interaction to the man's wife in another. It was just another tool for him to control others. Can you just imagine what he had/has on Lyndsey?
Hopefully he'll pay for his feckless behavior in Georgia.
I could write the book in one line. I'm a horribly selfish person. And so is everyone else that paved the way for Trump and support him till today.
100%
That's exactly what Malignant Narcissism is all about....ME and only ME.
I don’t agree. These are harsh words for someone sharing what was his worst and trying to warn us & other gop’ers of the dangers the gop fascist party has in store should they gain power.
That's it!
Natalie John, I like the accurate brevity of your book.
Tim Miller is the most candid voice in the current crop of political analysts. Thank you.
You might also like former Republican Rick Wilson, co-founder of The Lincoln Project.
@@angelinahunter182 Thanks for the recommendation.
I started following The Lincoln Project when they made their debut, when they were a podcast, the ads were good but not great, and there were more women's voices.
For reasons I still can't explain, I was almost immediately turned off by Rick Wilson.
I have checked out a couple of his shorts on UA-cam over the last few months. Still not a fan. No hard feelings, no hateful commentary about him. He's just not a go-to for me.
@@xelamercedes I understand your take on Rick Wilson -- I think he was a former Republican strategist and he speaks and writes like a "gloves off, acidic" Republican -- a little tough in his presentation. You might like to read the OpEd of a perfect gentleman Mesa, AZ Mayor John Giles who still considers himself a Republican but who spoke as the Democratic National Convention explaining why he's endorsing Kamala Harris -- Mayor Giles is a traditionalist Republican but NOT a Trumper -- and he can explain in a polite way WHY.
There are plenty of Never Trumper Republicans who you might to listen to as to their reasons and THEY were inside the Republican Party.
@@angelinahunter182 Yes, Giles is highly relatable. I'm also a fan of Olivia Troye. I think all the Republicans who spoke at DNC are exemplary public servants.
I have an appetite as well for acidic, straight talk. I donate to Steve Schmidt's The Warning almost every week.
Candid is speaking out before the coast is clear to do so. If you can’t speak up in the face of wrong you’re a coward, plain and simple. And profiting from it after the fact, solidifies it.
This was a riveting interview. Miller is right when he says we've had enough insight into the destructive craziness but not enough into why people who know better go along with it. Frightening how normal human beings can silence their consciences so easily, just like in the 3rd Reich.
Nice! Expat Vietnam vet here in Perú.. Since I have been here.. 06...4 presidents have gone to jail..I have seen a lot in my short time on the planet but I never thought I'd see this.. Don't thank me for Mr service.. Drafted.. Lost three years of my life.. Participated in an atrocity.. Still gotta love the USA.. Just sayin'
What's riveting about this? A married gay dude with a child sided with republicans, ushered in MAGA, and now gay marriage is on Republican's eyes. These people are garbage.
@Toon Lyrics the answer is twofold. Social Media and Media in general. Media has gone extreme right and extreme left just for add revenue
They "go along with it" because they see the trajectory of Republican voters. They're giving those voters what they want, and it will lead to positions of power.
@@EdwardRLyons I understand what you're saying, but is it worth it to sell your soul to cash in on the power of a demagogic leader?
I used to be a Republican and I can say that one thing that he said rings so true with me. To Republicans politics and everything connected to it is a GAME. Being a Republican is like being a rabid fan of a football team.
I don't think gamification of this country and it's policies should be how this is done. The most basic game theory finds the Nash equilibrium always at the worst outcome. Cooperation and growing the pie is the only way we all succeed. Partisanship and tribalism caps the ceiling of your society. I'm not saying I know the answer to how to reach those who are deep in the cult but the only long-term success I can see is working with these people.
@@nuggz720 No need for misrepresenting game theory. The poster is referring to the racially informed tribalism that's as American as apple pie. Talking about equilibrium strategies misses the point.
For me, it's something to do with an overdeveloped amygdala and the cognitive dissonance that is the conservative brand. I'm citing the great George Lakoff's books on political definitions.
Yes, from this side of the atlantic it looks exactly like that. The MAGA crowd picked a team and now they will stick with it no matter what harm it does, no matter what damage they cause - so long as they can score some points against the Democrats they will let Ukraine become a victim to russia.
No, it’s a WWE show
"They don't want the power because with power comes responsibility. They want to be in the room where it happens." Powerful insight
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I've yet to witness a republican admit to being wrong!
Trump has power but takes no responsibility; so that formula, trotted out regularly, doesn't hold true.
@@marvinmartion1178 You just did.
It's true in 99% of the cases, yes. The 1% where it doesn't apply gets us people like Trump.
Where they DO want the power, they want it so bad that they'll take the responsibility aspect in stride. Only they're totally incapable of managing that responsibility, and so inevitably disaster follows. Almost in EVERY instance in Trump's presidency, he deflected responsibility to others. It was this guy's fault, that agency's fault, it was the Chinese, it was the Democrats, it was anything and anyone but him. And so most things that could've been fixed weren't. And even when he finally took responsibility, as with the light speed project to develop the vaccines, we ended up with an amazing result, 1 year! And the best he could do was a tepid support for the vaccination program, because his enablers (Fox and the crazies inside the GOP) had gone all in on the anti-vax runaway train.
So good to have Tim be the one interviewed---he's one of my favorite podcasters in which he's the one who asks the questions. So this is an eye-opening video. It makes me all the more impressed with---delighted by---Tim Miller: his integrity, self-awareness, and depth of understanding the attraction of "being in the room where it happens.".
Yes, and now lots of American politicians are attracted to being in "the room where it happens" regarding Israel's genocide
The election of Trump to the highest office of the land broke me as a person. It completely changed the way I perceive humanity.
I can't get back to who I was.
I feel the same way. It's irreparably changed how I look at my fellow Americans. It's a huge loss, a death really. My country is not what I thought it was. I thought Americans were reasonably educated and mostly cared about others. Not everyone of course. But most of us. That belief is gone. I'm ashamed to be American. Very sorry for your loss.
I wonder if what you're describing is a loss of perceived "self-innocence"?
I'm not naive, but having some of my deepest fears play out has been unsettling.
@@mohenn22smith27 I hoped that he might prove everyone including myself wrong.. I really thought the prediction s about how he would tear apart the fabric of US democracy...that I heard in 2016 were overblown....boy was I wrong
Ah, but Trump didn't win the election: Hillary Clinton received at least three million more votes than did Trump.
However, the antiquated, antidemocratic American Electoral College system, an odious relic long overdue for the dustbin, bequeathed the presidency of the United States to the loser of the election, Donald Trump. The Electoral College, along with the reality of the tyranny of the minority over the majority in American governance and policies--such as allotting the same number of senators to every state regardless of population, and ruthless gerrymandering that enables a smaller cohort of Republicans to gain control of state legislatures where Democrats exist in greater numbers--just generates more division, more stratification (my silo versus your silo) and undermines Democracy itself in America as more citizens realize just how rigged the game is.
I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that if he ran in 2024, there are people that would vote for him. After all that he has done, they still want him back in office.
Renee M Do you know why?
I agree Renee. He is in a class of people that have always been able to manipulate. There have been so many of them throughout history.
I have relatives in my own family that love him, yet on the other hand, they are college educated, bright, good people.
It is a great mystery!
Millions of them.
He validates MAGAs hatred of educated, smart, talented, charming people, basically everything they will never be. It's never about policy, it's about his blatant low-quality and how it enables them to feel ok that someone like them has made it.
If he gets in, it will be four years of revenge against everyone who ever slighted him. I dont know if the ego would allow the possibility of another loss.
It’s hard to convince someone of something when their livelihood depends on them not understanding it.
Oil companies
isn't thta quote by MARK TWAIN?
Majority of the media, including entertainment.
Many Evangelical Ministers...
@@LisaFenton-h7fUpton Sinclair.
Can't wake up someone who is pretending to be asleep.
While I appreciate your trying to explain this, I have a hard time with people who sell their souls to win. I just can't wrap my head around this, and I cant forgive any of them.
I appreciate this guys honesty. I stopped voting Republican after the 2004 election and it was solidified after watching all the racist nonsense against Obama that was completely uneccesary and desperate looking....But the GOP lost their way about 50 years ago in reality.
Yes, and how much of that racist nonsense against Obama was fanned by Tim Miller?
Yes I voted for Reagan in 1980 the only vote I regret. Reagan sold us a bill of goods about balancing the budget and getting our financial house in order. Then all he did is give the rich and corporations huge tax cut and ballooned the deficit to new records. Along with all the other BS he pulled. I have never voted for a Republican since. I was told that Nixon’s corruption and criminality wasn’t typical. What I have realized since that corruption and criminality in the Republican Party is very much the norm.
Even the so called good Republicans who oppose Trump were just fine with disenfranchising those groups not weren’t likely to vote for them. Gerrymandering congressional districts not to protect incumbents which has always been a tradition, but to steal representation. So while the Republicans who oppose Trump aren’t fascists they are still a far cry from being good people.
I remember that Obama was in the negative news for wearing a tan suit or using Dijon mustard. Really?
Yes Republicans embraced the racists with Nixon’s Southern strategy and the Republican Party has been the racist dog whistle party ever since, at least until Trump. This is why they love him so much. Trump and MAGA are the KKK Party. Even the KKK will tell you so.
I am 77 and a lifelong democrat so can remember (just barely) a time when political differences were not a matter of democracy vs fascism. I admire Tim's ability to see and exolain what's been going on so ckearly and welcome him to the other side.
Dear Mr. Miller, this is only the beginning of your redemption not the end. You have helped tear apart families and American democracy. I had to lie to my students when they asked if we were still a democracy. I couldn’t bring myself to tell them what I sincerely believe, it is too late for this republic.
I hope he gets his karmic due...
That's not how karma works
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Selling a book isn't redemption.
@@AliensAnonymous LOL YES.
I have a young male relative who wound up working as a GOP aide in DC. He was unable to find employment after graduating from college in 2014, so his mother, who was at a lunch where their GOP representative's wife was in attendance, mentioned his plight to the woman. Yes, everyone involved is white, privileged, benign but not particularly competent. Presto - sonny has a job in DC and off he goes.
His story exactly tracks this man's description of his experience. He described his work as a huge "rush' trolling democratic candidates during campaign stops, creating misleading click-bait to exploit social media and voters' lack of sophistication. Basically, someone I believed was, at his core, a decent, kind, intelligent human is now among the several people whom I am convinced would have been among the "I was just following orders" Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s. He had no concern at all for the effect of his actions on our democracy, or on individuals. Not only massively disappointing; it's frightening because he and his family of origin (who are all GOP) can't finish a sentence without mentioning Jesus.
I am Mexican American
I don't seek help or approval from white people regarding the rights of my people to armed self defense against racist white people. Somebody who stands with the Ukraine against Russian tyranny should understand that.
Ukrainians were stupid for listening to Bill Clinton to give up their nuclear weapons. Only an idiot depends on Democrats to protect them. My guns are more reliable than Democrat promises.
Viva la Raza Unida!
Remember the deacons for defense!
Armed minorities are harder to oppress
A Shout Out to Ruth Buzzy Ginsburg.. for betting Democrat chips on Hilary Clinton to win
The Supreme Court of the United States finally acknowledged that armed self-defense is a human right denied to most women around the world, in places like Europe, India and China.
Rapists love gun control. I am not surprised at Democrat pro-rape attitudes or their condescending and sometimes racist comments against SCOTUS
Obviously at his core he wasn’t decent or kind. Anyone who gets a kick out of trolling, spreading lies and damaging his country is amoral. Saying Jesus frequently seems to be a common method these amoral types use to justify their unethical behavior. “I’m working for Jesus so my lies, cruelty and encouragement of hate are in service of the christian holy war.” Disgusting
Bring up Matthew 25:40. Jesus is in one's neighbor no matter their circumstances. They are blasphemous to speak the name of Jesus but bow down to the beast.
It's why Hannah Arendt was wise to subtitle "Eichmann in Jerusalem" with the phrase "The Banality of Evil". The worst moments in human history weren't carried out by monsters, by ordinary "good" human beings he convinced themselves to act like monsters.
@@TheEvilChipmunk like abortion and vaccine mandates
Forcing your will on the weakest
Thank you sir for your accountability and articulated clarity 🙏 The light has been shown. I appreciate your voice and and insight shared so generously. Thank you again. Don't stop..we need your voice.
This conversation confirms all my worst fears about - and for - American democracy. If this guy is typical of Washington politics, any possibility of genuine democracy is DOA.
No. My worst fear is worse. Thirty to 40% of the electorate are so depraved and criminal that they will never stop trying to hurt real Americans. They will always fall for the CRT bs or the migrant caravan bs or the deep state bs because they hate America.
I think I've been more than fair about waiting for years and simply observing right wingers. I have not seen any significant self-reflection, integrity or any virtue in this group. All I see is vicious hatred and a level of ignorance of the world, history and society that is breathtaking. To be fair, I don't even consider conservatives to be human any more. They're just this dangerous group of fascists who will commit another genocide because conservative and genocide go together like peanut butter and jelly. Afterwards, they won't even take responsibility. They'll blame people like this guy or Trump or anyone rather than accept even a smidgeon of personal responsibility. Oh.. and they'll send thoughts and prayers because actually making amends will be too difficult for this subhuman class of creatures.
Look, they already don't think I'm a human being. Why should I grant a conservative the classification of human when they exhibit nothing humane? They weep more for burning buildings or cities than they do about the fact that the police murdered a man in plain view. They fight harder to protect their 2nd amendment rights than the lives of... pick a mass shooting, any mass shooting. Sandy Hook for example. Cute little kids. They'd be in high school and their lives were stolen. Did conservatives care? No. What kind of human would be capable of that? Answer, not a real human.
Haven't conservatives fucked up the US enough? Every time we work to include them, it has always come with great cost to life and human suffering. Why do we have a 3/5s clause in the Constitution? Why did we have to engage in a Civil War? Why did we have Jim Crow laws? Why did we have a bombing in Philly? Why do we have a prison pipeline and 25% of our population in prisons? That's just the highlights of what Conservatives have done in the US. If we include the world, it gets worse. We've installed brutal dictators who have abused their people. We have funded terrorist groups such as the ones in the Iran Contra affair. We've ravaged and pillaged. We start wars for fun to kill people in the Middle East and then, we wag our fingers when they say "Death to the US".
Please.. just once can the left finally admit the truth and do what is necessary so that no more humans suffer because we allow those subhuman conservatives a say in our country? Let's rip the Constitution up and start a new better more perfect union that explicitly disallows conservatives. That kind of nation will be a light and show the best of humanity. Not by force. Not by lies. Just by being excellent to each other and showing what a real society can be.
This little creep is the kind of person celebrated in the TV show The West Wing.
In that “The West Wing” celebrated rational politics? Yeah…creepy.
@@Don-md6wn This doesn’t help. Thank goodness he’s out, he’s trying to alert us to the dangers and the realities of the GQP.
I'm thinking this is a human nature problem. Set up better arrangements, create a better system, and get better outcomes to bring out the better angels of our nature. 🕊️ 🎄
He said it all in one word “cruelty”. That is the republicans world. Drug war, Iraq, Trump it’s all the same thing. Destroy life. Cruelty to others.
A sociopath to the end.
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This why I spell it as Repugnant Party. Then there is
"Gyp Our People". "They can call me a libtard all they want. I still have a few more rational brain cells than the most brilliant maggat.
Cruelty is power over others. That's their favorite thing.
I agree. And I think it has a lot to do with fear. Conservatives are afraid of everyone else, and that's because their leadership intentionally keeps them that way. If you're afraid, you're willing to harm the enemy.
“I never thought the tiger would bite MY face off!” says person who voted for the Tiger Biting Faces Off Party.
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@@ey67 it’s really now all the Maga voters fault. They continue to vote these people in.
It is admirable that Tim’s so honest.
He's trying to sell a book, would he be here without trying to sell something?
I doubt it.
Honest is the wrong word. He's strategically switching sides. He saw his ship was sinking and he jumped ship. Now he wants onto another boat that's still afloat.
I understand the skepticism, but it is possible he is being genuine. Time will tell. I believe he is right about the "game" becoming an addiction. I have seen this before. I am glad he is speaking about his experience & observations. It's interesting for those of us interested in Psychology. Still stay true 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
White gay conservatives have an easier time rounding the square bc they prioritize their whiteness above all else in their identity.
Huh! Wake up and smell the coffee. This guy and all these so-called anti-Trump guys are a bunch of hypocrites. They knew what the values of the Republican party really were. Miller worked for an organization that despised the LGBTQIA community. The Republican party actively persecuted that community and Miller helped them. Even the title of his book is a cop out. It should be "Why I Did It". Tim Miller can only speak for himself. Instead, he tries to spread the blame around to exempt himself. Like all these converts to democratic values, they knew what values the Republicans held dear, and it was not democracy. The Republicans became a white supremacy party when they embraced the "southern strategy" strategy of Richard Nixon. It was all downhill from there.
"Win at all costs" is the Republican strategy. Democrats' unwillingness to embrace that strategy is their vulnerability, which they see as integrity. And it is integrity, which is something we should all value in our leadership. The problem is that a third of the country loves the "win at all costs" kind of battle that rewards extreme moves that the other side can't even imagine. I appreciate this guy's honesty about the kind of competitiveness that is driving this problem. I hope he is now working to counter all the damage that his actions created.
Oh the Democrats have it in them all right, but they’re only capable of attacking and disenfranchising (creating onerous ballot access laws, suing off the ballot, trying to re-engineer FEC rules to starve them of legitimate campaign funding, censoring out of debates ) alternative parties like the Greens. And that is just as much tearing down democracy as anything else being done.
Much of the problem is structural to our election system. It's harder to punish Republicans for bad behavior because the electoral thumb is on the scale for them. They can win the presidency and senate with a minority of the vote. Then with that power appoint r right ring judges for life. Since they control more legislatures they also have more power to gerrymander and stack the deck in the house as well.
lol you people are deranged
Exactly, the Democrats have what's known as "the courage of their convictions". Mitch McConnell is the complete opposite. When he pushed through Amy dingbat to the Supreme Court I asked several of my Republican friends how they can support a party that would do a 180 after making up their own "rule" 4 years earlier. All I ever got was a shrug of the shoulders, they wouldn't even try to defend it.
If Democrats play like Republicans, then our country is definitely lost. I get frustrated too with how Republicans so far have got away with these lies and this behavior, but if everyone becomes like them just to win, it all falls apart.
He invited
He incited
They rioted
Then he denied it
Even though he'd implied it
Now he must be indicted.
Lie lie lie
You’re brainwashed and in a cult called the Democratic Party
Well said
Trump said march, protest, have your voices heard, but be peaceful! That is exactly what he said! Exactly like in Charlottesville. He said they were good people on both sides, talking about the people protesting for and against tearing down statues. None of those people were fascist or neo-Nazis etc. Actually contrary to white people have been brainwashed to believe, fascism is a left-wing ideology. If you understand anything about the extreme right you would know that there’s nothing authoritarian about it. Far right extreme right that is anarchy!
Trump said about Charlottesville and at least eight or 10 other times which what’s your name Kayleigh McEnany document it in a press briefing making the press looks stupid! She quoted all the different times he condemned nazis and white supremacy, including after Charlottesville. Right out there he said they were good people on both sides he said but I am not talking about the neo-Nazis and white supremacists that showed up. The main stream media selectively edits him to make him look bad and they have been caught doing it over and over and over. Just like they now want to deny that the Democrats and Biden and the main stream media and MSNBC and CNN and everybody on the left said the vaccine stops transmission. If you get the vaccine you don’t need a mask you don’t need to social distance you can do whatever you want. Everyone knew that was bullshit. Everyone knew that the lockdowns were bullshit. From the very beginning the data was showing that there’s only old people and fat people dying. This was about money power and control and it’s the biggest transfer of wealth from the lower and middle class to the upper class and two pharmaceutical companies in American history. It was also a PsyOp to see how much they can get away with.
And we have known for a long time because of them saying it and emails and other information that has been revealed that the lost the Democrats the Biden ministration New York and California have been absolutely straight up fascist! They have been working with big tech and social media companies to censor speech when it comes to stories they don’t want exposed and anyone saying anything from the right regardless of what it is. This has been proven and documented! This is insane. This is straight up the definition of fascism. The government working with corporations against the people. That is the definition of fascism and it’s the Democrats doing it.
The House of Representatives did just that. But the cowards in the Senate failed the country. It was an historical display of weakness on their part.
It wasnt a riot under any description. watch the footage..slow walking low energy for Most..a couple hand fulls did become violent. U dont ever hear about the white woman shot & killed for breaking a window.
The country changed 180⁰ for me in 2016. It will never be the same again. It's very sad.
Sooooooooooooooooo SAD & PATHETIC
I don't need it to be the same. I just need us to remain a representative democracy
Thank you, Tim, for your introspection in all of this; it will help change the whole political environment. And you have been one of the people I have been listening to since you started the Bulwark podcast, keeping me sane. That what I was seeing in Trump is true and horrifying. Thank you, thank you for your brilliance and speaking out! I so appreciate you. 😌😌
This is the conversation we need to have. It has really bothered me that the people in power are following the base instead of being leaders. I will never forget McCain correcting the constituent that called Obama a Muslim. That is what a leader does. I'm democrat but if Liz Cheney can agree to come to the middle, I'd vote for her for her integrity. A true leader.
I remember that, too. I have long thought that McCain was a good guy in a political party that was becoming more and more corrupt. McCain made sense and showed integrity when he wasn't under the thumb of the RNC. I don't share many of Liz Cheney's principles, but I do see her as a principled person. If she loses the primary, I hope she runs as an independent. God knows the R's need more people like her in Congress.
Well said!!
I live in Arizona, I am a Democrat and I voted for John MCCain. He was the sane voice of the republican party. He wanted to make laws for people, not republican people only. He cared.
@@clevestercrittenden2089 Moderate Republicans are getting hard to find. I live in Alabama and our state is so gerrymandered that the extremes win out (Mo Brooks, Tubberville that was at the meeting with Trump on Jan 5th, etc) In these environs, I'm called a liberal democrat:)
Me too or Jamie Raskin! Or both together!
You know I now realize I feel sorry sorry for my family that still believes in the big lie. Will they ever snap out of it? I don't have to be right but I need them to realize that they were wrong. Their health has been affected by their anger
What wasn’t discussed is the power of propaganda. When he says that Republican voters WANT Trumpism, he skips over the fact that they were made to want him. That is not a “bottom up” phenomenon; that is a tippy-top of the tippiest-top to the very bottom phenomenon.
It’s a very effective way that the corporate ruling class controls politicians through by using the science of propaganda (justified as “free speech”) to manipulate the electorate into demanding absolutism and authoritarianism in the service of the wealthiest families and corporations among us.
I don't feel sorry for anyone whose stupidity, cupidity or whatever could destroy me and an entire civilization
I'm sorry but people that go totally all in on stuff like that never do. They will do what they've done all their lives & what they're good at. They will.learn to mouth the new pleasantries & improve the timing of their smiles & they'll...fit in. They'll cover up & some of them.will actually pvt'ly believe that if they can remain undetected for an accceptable amt of time that this will constitute forgiveness of a sort. As long as they keep some of their opinions to themselves, they'll go on holding them as truths. Just waiting for someone in authority to enable them to come out again. Look how long a lot of them have gone already privately believing in some of this stuff!
The problem now is our new digital memory where nothing can be truly erased or forgotten. It's on US now to decide how much importance we'll be attaching to it all. This is not the province of grudge holding, altho there will be many who.will.decry it as such. This is a matter of therapy and self protection on a nat'l scale.
And the first thing we're going to have to do is get real comfortable discussing it.
I would recommend reading up on Steve Hassan he's a expert on cults. And mind control, he's explains that trump supports are in cult and been indoctrinated and he talks about how to get through to them he's wrote a book the cult of trump.
There are no excuses for the horrific lack of rule of law and morality.
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Aye
I’ve been saying this for a while now but it’s refreshing to hear someone verify this from the inside. Many Societies do not go bad at the bottom, they go bad at the top and this shows how, how people justify supporting evil, how they rationalise it and compartmentalise it because it doesn’t affect them…until it does, until the message and reality are so at odds with each other they cannot ignore it.
I knew I was right but it’s nice to hear an insider confirm it.
The saddest thing about this interview is about Elise Stefanik. When I first read about her in a NYTimes article, I was very impressed with her. She was smart, moderate and I could agree with her. When I saw that she became a full fledged Trump supporter and MAGA proud Republican, I was disappointed and sickened as I felt we lost a truly decent person and politician to a maniac.
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@first last she’s a MAGA now & forever as far as I’m concerned!
Don't worry. Her true character was revealed. Its good that you know and can reassess your own political views.
Actual she was acting….she revealed her true self
@first last A defining trait of sociopaths is their ability to pretend to be rational, sane, and caring. A person who has internalised moral norms, and has a healthy level of empathy and a fundamental respect for the truth isn't able to maintain the pretence of being a fascist for long. The real Elise Stefanik is the one you see now.
Tim Miller, I'm an ex-republican, and I agree with what you had to say in this utube video; looking forward to reading your book; keep talking, we who believe in our Constitution and country need to hear your thoughts.
Terrific interview. Good to have Miller's view from inside, his confirmation about highly-placed individuals, and his acknowledgement that the GOP is going the way of Trump because that is what the rank and file GOP are looking for. And that makes it an intractable problem, or nearly so.
Tim Miller is a good guy. Has a good conscience and is not arrogant. Now ethically fighting the good fight.
I agree.
This is an excellent and so important interview! Thank you, Tim Miller. Mandatory watching.
"If I don't do it, then somebody else will." - the seed credo of our degeneration.
Along with "The end justifies the means."
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We need to start telling the politicians that we insist they no longer tolerate the media outlet's claims of news are never allowed to do so, when they are actually listed as entertainment! We need truth in media outlet's with no exceptions! 💪🇺🇲
"No different than a real addiction." Well said. I appreciate the author's POV. Thank you for the interview.
A "real addiction" is awaken by a stimulant. What is the stimulus for this gentleman? His disorder would be more like Stockholms.
@@brininahoward5445 power, or a reasonable facsimile
Much respect for Tim Miller spilling his guts. He’s a courageous person.
At 18:20 Tim talks about the GOP just trying to please their extremist voters, but he (fails to see?) That the GOP created & built that extremism that they now need to cow to
oh he does, hes talked about it in other interviews, he does them alot as a fairly prominent anti Trumper, and thats part of what he talks about when he discusses his compartmentalization and ambition overriding his morality.
Facts. 30 years of purposeful conservative media telling lies.
Thank you, Tim for your honesty and humility. I came along the same road to repentance you did and I think messages like yours may help people still trapped to discern and admit their deeper motives. Maybe they can wake up; I always pray for that awakening.
Please talk to your friends. They won't listen to the "Demoncrats". Maybe they will listen to someone they identify with.
It is Simple. Winning is more important than principles and effective governance. Owning the libs is the entire platform for the GOP, and they will oppose even the most logical and reasonable proposals put forth by Dems.
Yep, these people are obsessed with punishment and vengeance, they don't even care what happens to them as long as the other side has it worse.
YES. Take Mitch McConnell. He supported everything Trump did except the election overthrow attempt, but he CAN'T STAND the man - baby!. H
He has opposed or blocked EVERYTHING Obama and Biden have tried to pass except for disaster aid or military budgets. The GOP won't lead, won't follow, and REFUSES to get out of the way.
Yes. The GOP has even opposed legislation that they themselves had proposed previously. For example, Obamacare (the Affordable Care Act) was based almost entirely on Romneycare -- the healthcare bill passed in Massachusetts under Mitt Romney in 2006 when he was governor there. But the GOP viciously attacked it after Obama supported it.
But there is more of us than them. Vote! Drag your next generation to vote!
Yeah, like not agreeing men can get pregnant and that biological men should shower with 11 year old girls in the locker room. What is the GOP thinking to oppose this?
Love the honesty and the value of Tim’s words. This is the real conversation the country needs.
It's easy to justify anything when you have the moral compass of the mafia.
Even the Mafia has some morals.
They take care of "their own", for instance, if 'Big Paulie' goes upstate for 8-10 then they take care of his family until he comes home to them.
They don't kill women & kids.
U think the Republican party has such morals? Hell no!
When the Republican party starts slashing & burning social programs like food stamps, they don't give a shyt if poor kids are going to bed hungry at night! Or having to eat shitty, non-nutritious food like ramen noodles & hotdogs everyday just to stretch those food stamps till the end of the month.
Then they (the repukes) wanna say "well, they get a hot meal @ school", but they've also slashed that budget so badly that the quality of the food is akin to prison food & the kids won't eat it, so that's a waste of taxpayers $!!
I even remember when Reagan tried to make ketchup a vegetable on kids lunch trays! Old POS!
I'd be happy if every Republican was at the bottom of the sea!
Exactly, and still don't understand you are a moral coward.
Yep, just like Russia!!
It comes down to one word 'POWER'...and doing absolutely anything to hold on to it!
Our reaction to 9-11 and the election of Trump: the two events of my lifetime that killed my understanding of America as a place of good people with good intentions.
Two real low points. I assume you’re talking about the use of 9-11 to topple Saddam Hussein at a cost of a trillion dollars and thousands of lives -nothing to do with wmd or terrorists. Sickening that people will turn into a mob so easily. The good news is the nutballs are almost all on one side and there are decent people you can vote for.
Mmmm
In a true democracy Clinton would have won. Our constitution gives disproportionate power to the hateful minority.
You need to start reading a lot more history! Our leaders have done some pretty appalling things in the past and sometimes it's hard to find the facts! If you dive in deep you will find some pretty nasty things that have been glossed up to make them seem not so bad! Try watching drunk history to get a start!
Could it be, that when we come from abusive families and don't choose to reflect on that as an adult and heal the pain, instead we bury those feelings and since they don't go away until we DO heal them - then they latch onto these abusive characters as a way to vicariously relive our early life experiences. Family dynamics wins, once again.
Great interview, thank you for your truth.
This is my working theory as well! I've long thought that Republicans have daddy issues.
Thank you for a dive into the psychology of how this enabling and supporting is happening! As a counselor and chaplain it has been beyond my comprehension, especially for so many people who spout their morality, to act this very immoral and undemocratic way!
Read Hannah Arendt re the rise of fascism in the 1930's and Bob Altemeyers's book The Authoritarians
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Okay, let me spell out my support for Trump.
1. Got control of our out of control border. Stopped the chaos down there and the human suffering that comes with it.
2. Made the US energy independent
3. Was respected around the world by foreign leaders, especially in the Middle East and reached a historic agreement with Israel and Arab world
4. Created one of the most dynamic booming economies in recent memory
5. Got tough with China and put an end to the ridiculous one-sided deals they were getting from previous administrations.
So, this is a rational expose of support for Trump's policies, backed up by facts and not emotions. Is Trump a strong example of moral leadership? No, he's not, but the alternative to Trump was the pathological lying wife of a serial rapist, so maybe you can explain over-coming your own moral conscience to vote for that. What we have right now is utter chaos. Economic, societal, and financial. Biden is a walking disaster. How may more made up fictional stories about all his past blue collar jobs do you need to hear to understand what he is? If Trump is bad, Democrats are far worse. What choice did we have?
@@samsabiss I don't know anybody who thinks society is better. It's been on a downward spiral for 2 decades. Just visit San Fransisco and you'll see what I mean
@@samsabiss And who has been running these cities for 50 years?
Must be nice to look at people's lives as a game.
That’s what all politics and big business is these days.
It's what most of us are being trained to do.
I know… this is so outrageous that these politicians either don’t care or don’t consider that real live people buy their bullsh*t and will destroy the country because of it.
But dont question my sexuality! Effinf creep this miller guy, despite some capacity for reflection. He was willing to mess with major trouble for fun and profit
@@CaramelSwatches This is what scares me, most of these people cannot be saved. They'd have to first have the self awareness to recognize what's going on, and then they'd have to be willing to do the work and I just don't find that realistic.
Thanks for being honest, hindsight verses insight. The youth, others like this gentleman are the leaders of the future. How we treat one another is more important than winning at all cost.
This guy isn't a leader. He set teh country on fire for his own ego. What a toilet take.
I sure hope he’s not a leader of the future. He wanted power and influence and did evil things to get it. He’s not a leader we need.
Thank you Tim for your honesty and accountability.
I think that there are certain psychological aspects of people who love the "game" of politics. One is apparently a lack of empathy. Another is a total dismissal of the need for honesty and adherence to ethics. Apparently a raw competitive nature where people are pawns who are unceremoniously sacrificed to win the "game" is also significant. It's a disgusting, selfish and unnecessary way of running society. I also don't believe it's coincidental that all these shitty people end up very very wealthy.
Well said !
You just described a sociopath.
I totally agree. This is driven by the psychology of people. Such a "mindset" allows them power over (to play with) people, to see them transactionally (as pawns in a game of chess, as pawns who can help them win, or as objects who are their enemy). This "raw competitive nature" to "win at any cost" (a deviancy) exists not only in politicians, but in a subset percentage of all people. I believe such psychological deviancy exists at a greater percentage in people who go on to become "leaders" - CEOs, military leaders, church leaders, political leaders, PTA-board leaders, etc. Lack of empathy and sociopathy/psychopathy are replicating in society. Children see them as "winners" and try to learn from them, emulate them. Social media empowers them, makes their words/actions ubiquitous.
Social media also allows these deviant people to "find each other, no matter where they live on the planet" and to organize into larger coordinated groups. facebook helps politicians (and putin/Russia) directly target (influence) any group, including these deviant ones. facebook controls/owns instagram, whatsapp, etc. These are reasons why society has become a major mess, a cesspool of the worse people becoming the most powerful (and rich).
For a solution... we all need to openly ardently speak out against these deviants. And we have to "Out" their supporters, including those in our own families & social groups - show them that these deviant people are dangerous. We must challenge trump's supporters, asking why they support a person who (in Access Hollywood audio, to Billy Bush) clearly admitted to forcibly sexually assaulting women (he was encouraging Billy Bush to "grab them by their pu$#ies"). He admitted not only doing so in the past - but his intent was TO CONTINUE TO DO it (sexually attack women). He was not only not ashamed, he felt it was "acceptable". Ask people WHY they support an admitted sexual predator. Don't let them ignore the audio - they can't claim it was "fake" or "doctored" without giving certifiable proof of it being so. If they won't believe it, ask them why. Also, give them other examples (trump said "there was blood coming out of her whatever" about Megyn Kelly who asked him difficult questions) - (thefederalist.com/2015/08/07/trump-megyn-kelly-had-blood-coming-out-of-her-whatever/ ). Use other examples of his verbal violence against women & people. There's also video of trump's daughter laughingly agreeing that he's a sexual predator (ua-cam.com/video/tkYC7tHUAns/v-deo.html ) - jokes often have a nugget of truth in them - Ivanka knows her dad is deviant. To any trump supporter in our social circle whom we challenge, we should not let them change the subject, to get off the hook. If they can't explain why they support a deviant dangerous person, we must tell them we will stop interacting with them (even if they're our family member) until they can explain their blind harmful adulation - or until they take-back their mind by seeing the dangers. Tell them they support a lawbreaker who harms others. Many examples of this also in court documents (where trump didn't pay contractors he hired - they did the work - and instead he sued them). Sorry I went on this last tangent. I feel WE need to take action & challenge their supporters to "snap out of it". There are few mechanisms society has to fix this. Republicans removed many tools our govt had to remove corruption. It's up to us democratic voters. We need to be vocal, even if doing so makes us personally uncomfortable (as I am here). Our society's only chance is to vote out the deviants & their sycophants. I believe we're in peril of becoming Russia with a putin as "king".
Well said. I've long thought that we could create a Wall Street stock market game, then unplug the trading center and plug it into the game. The rest of us could then go on to live our lives in peace. Apparently the same could be done for DC politics.
@@keep-ukraine-free I'm glad you wrote a long detailed reply. It's helpful. I'll be keeping a copy for encouragement.
I have such mixed emotions about Tim but I am grateful that he is taking responsibility for his part in the destruction of this country. I am grateful that he is telling the truth about the "bubble" that is DC and how it is all about raw power and the proximity to it.
And as for the Dems, here's what I say to Tim; you need to get in there with them and help them change. Redeem yourself by fixing what you broke in the "bubble."
Very well said indeed.
Really, you think the way to fix the Dems is with people like Tim Miller? He didn't say one word in this interview that should be news to anybody that follows politics.
That would be True redemption.🙏👍
He has to be willing to convince people with deep-seated racism that the real boogeyman is capitalism with no moral restraint. The wealthiest and most privileged people in this country are just fine with struggling whites believing that struggling blacks and Latinos are the cause of all their problems. That sense of feeling cheated by poor people has been drilled into their brains for DECADES by Fox News and other right-wing media owned by wealthy elites, many of whom don’t pay a dime in taxes and are insanely invested in keeping that status quo and the narrative that got it for them (including everything from “they’re going to rape your daughter if you don’t own enough high powered weapons” to “they’re coming to take Christmas away”). The message is simple. The convincing of tens of millions of ignorant people fed a steady but attractive diet of lies upon lies is not.
It’s bad advice to compromise more. That’s the problem, the American left rarely holds uncompromisable positions out of principle. They are afraid of being ‘radical’ - yet it shouldn’t matter if it is a good idea, and no one should doubt it is the right that is really really radical.
Thank you Amanpour and Co, and thank you Walter Isaacson for interviewing Tim Miller.
The smartest reporting around.
One of the best shows on Utube.Very informative.
Love Tim Miller! He’s come so far, is very smart, and thoroughly likable.
Walter - excellent, probing questions for Mr Miller. Perhaps the most significant & honest exchange on this subject I've heard !
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The Red team. Exactly. It’s like a football game. Politics and government shouldn’t be a game. Running a country is complex and requires compromise and hard work to make life better for everyone
People vote like politics are armchair sports. That's how we get this leadership. If we want change, we have vote it and demand accountability from our public servants.
The sports analogy is very fitting and I've been using it for years. Some sports figures can get away with anything in the minds of their fans. A team can get caught deflating footballs and repeatedly get caught cheating and their fans will never leave. They'll defend their team to the end of the Earth. They'll find a way to excuse any action. I remember watching Tyson/Holyfield and listening to people in the room defending Tyson biting off Evanders ear and spitting it out on the canvas. One person kept denying it even happened.
Other fight sports figures that immediately come to mind are Conor McGregor and Jon Jones. Many of their fanatics would be in complete denial of any wrongdoing.
Republicans don't want a better life for everyone. Just themselves. So if they have to ruin others to get what they want it's simply collateral damage to them.
@@crismcdonough2804 yeah I agree with you. Wouldn’t it be amazing if both parties worked to make the USA better? The USA could really be the greatest country ever. But actually the Republicans do things to sabotage progress and make things worse because then they blame the Democrats and the strategy helps them win elections. They just want money and power for themselves. They don’t care about trying to make the country better
@@crismcdonough2804 I am a split party ticket voter, meaning I vote by candidate and issues, not by party affiliation. The difference that I have found between the party voters is this: Conservative Republicans are willing to cut off their noses to spite their face. How this plays out in today"s political climate? "Owning a lib" takes up the largest portion of any energy being put into politics. Little is left or used to seek out, select, support, or vote better candidates. Competing is more important than the actual game or results. We might be righter than we realize about this sports mentality.
I come from generations of people that played sports with the mentatlity "walk it off and keep playing." The reality is those sports were not prioritizing children's health and safety. We didn't even have the science or understanding behind why some of those sports activities are not being managed well until recently. Sports for children have been used to teach team work, the strive for individual excellence, and competition. These dynamics get internalized into the fabric of our being and culture to the point we don't even question IF we should be playing them at all or how they should change.
Trumpist are not going back into the the fold of Republicans because they detest their RINO self serving leadership. Most RINO leaders have not done anything for their bases. They have leaned more moderate as a way of attracting voters, often doing nothing more than lip service.
Trumpist were a marginalized and disenfranchised by the party leadership and they are fighting not to become that to all of society. You won't find them "turning back" to reality from the rabbit hole that Con Man took them down. It's not going to happen because they don't realize that they don't have to vote RINO or Trumpist...or switch to Democrat. They can support new blood. They can rebuild the party. One holdup? They don't know how or where to begin. And the Con has left them damaged in a way that they don't trust to listen and learn. Look where that listening has gotten them and it's hard to recover from a Con. They are doubling down where they stand. Taking it for the team. Win or Lose.
A blast from the very recent past. It was nostalgic to hear Tim say “if Trump decides to run again”, to refer to Liza Cheney’s ongoing battle leading the Jan 6 commission, to hear him say “depending on what happens with McCarthy as speaker”. A lot has happened since then.
Yes and the wear and tear on poor Tim is noticeable. He needs the longest of long vacation with no internet. He has moved to New Orleans. Sept 2024
fantastic interview!
Tim Miller is so smart - a bonus to humanity
It’s been obvious for a very long time that this is where the Republican Party was headed. Better late than never I suppose.
@Down with Corporate Amerika irrelevancy once republicans kill democracy
@Down with Corporate Amerika Not into fascism.
@Down with Corporate Amerika If progressives have anything to do with it, then your handle says it all.
@Down with Corporate Amerika Freedom for all people.
It's too late. So much damage done.
Excellent interview conducted by Walter Issacson. He asks short, incisive questions, and lets the guest, Mr. Miller, answer in a fulsome, detailed manner. Of the 18 minute interview, Issacson spoke for maybe two minutes total. If, for example, Rachel Maddow or Chris Hayes, had the same 18 minutes, each would have spoken for at least nine of the 18 minutes, and we, the audience would have gotten half of Miller's insights. Bravo to both interviewer and guest. Amanpour & Company have the best interviews of all the news outfits, cable and network. Thanks for the great content.
What were the insights? I didn't hear a thing that hasn't long been obvious.
Agree. Amanpour and her Team are a relief for a European viewer when we try to figure out what's going on in the USA.
Yeah right. I can take about two minutes listening to this craven opportunist miller guy. You on the other hand sound like u r creaming your jeans listening to him
You are not correct. Chris and Rachel do wonderful interviews where they coax out the guest with good questions, not softballs.
Perhaps you are thinking of their opening statements, where they (Rachel especially) introduce, then discuss a subject with support from analogies drawn to other events and ideas?
This was a very scary interview. The ending didn't leave me with much promise, though to be honest, I was pretty much at that point before I even watched it. The Right -- politicians and news media -- has been creating an over-the-top Us vs Them (Good vs Evil) framework for many years. Now it has paid off for them, if you consider the craziness we live in nowadays as a payoff. Who is worse, Marjorie Taylor Greene or the people who vote for her? We're in a lot of trouble.
There is a God. Remember that and pray for healing. Be a doer of good. Sometimes God allows things to happen when we get so far off track. He allows things to unfold when those who know better don't do better. When we don't speak out on evil and point out wrong and sin and fight legally for accountability and justice. Then in His time He avenges the righteous. Unfortunately, perhaps some of our suffering could have been avoidable if only we had spoken up, taken action and did the aforementioned. Chin up. Hands raised. Heart humbled. Pray.
@@letty5515 -- I'm an atheist. Take your religion elsewhere.
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Religion and politics have no business together.
@@letty5515 - piss off letty - go look at the images from the Webb telescope and get some perspective.
Who is worse, Marjorie Taylor Greene or the people who vote for her? I would say the people who vote for her. She is a product of her past ( a lot of which are given) and present choices. People who vote get to chose their politicians.
Tim, stay on the path, truth, transparency and being on the right side of things.....
Utterly chilling! To blithely admit such callous immortality in public so shamelessly speaks to our dark future.
Agreed. Something very creepy about a guy with enough of a vocabulary to get put of a situation
When these selfish people start talking you realize how simple and unevolved they really are, that they fully invested in something they weren't fully aligned with and over time, because the human soul must feel integrated and aligned, their identity and consciousness became compromised and they lost touch with their higher self. They run on ego and animalistic fulfillment of games. Time to take responsibility. I understand they enjoyed the process, but look at the sufferring that vulnerable people have experienced as the result of Trumpism. We can hope that when real leaders stand, people will see the difference and take it more seriously. We must evolve as a species and not let people fall prey.
Sociopathy on parade.
Wow, poet much? But, a little over the top.
Did you mean immorality?
Tim Miller has demonstrated a large degree of redemption in the past few years. However, he has a whole lot for which to redeem himself.
Thanks to all the interviews like this, Miller's book is #2 on the NYT bestseller list and his Democratic establishment friends who watch him as an MSNBC contributor are so thrilled for him! Cashing in on "the game" continues.
I refuse to read ANY of these cretin's books. Not even pirated copies.
Respect For Tim Miller! Serious Respect. The Most Honest Presentation For Me To Date. Thank you Tim!
Tyranny is not caused by tyrants it is caused by the obedient. Tim Miller is awesome!
He helped the people who will tear his family apart.
& as they tear it apart they'll be celebrating it, shaming him, and told his life is wrong & meaningless.
Thanks for the excerpt of the interview.
Why the GOP has any followers after VP Cheney is a mystery to me. They’ve been horrific for decades.
You misspelled Reagan.
Good to hear an objective explanation from a source that can be trusted.
Elie Wiesel addresses this in “The Perils of Indifference” speech.
Having worked in PR when young, writing speeches for corporate CEO's, I very much understand the desire to be near power. It was only a personal crisis that caused me to break away.
Similar experience, but different cause: for me it was realizing that I really didn't like or respect the people in power. I didn't want to be anything like them, which made it an easy choice to walk away.
Voters don't have the slightest idea what trump will do to them and the country will be destroyed and there lives will be worse off then now when they loose there SSI and Medicare and have nothing left and be sorry that what they done to themselves it will be to late 😢
I completely agree with Tim about the power not being the drug it is the privilege and perks that are the drug
And being close to power.
For the helpers it's the perks and privilege, for the position seekers it's the power.
Tim drank the kool-aid... Who made it? Hint: they are not in politics.
Aka, Narcissism.
They go hand in hand, though.
Thanls so much, Tim, for standing up, taking the heat, and keeping the faith.
This was really interesting and very nuanced. Impressive
One of the most enlightening analyses of fascistic Republicanism I've ever seen. I hope many moderate Republicans read and consider this man's book before the next election.We are clearly on the road back to the Civil War period of racial hatred, disempowerment of women, and a contempt for working class people. That the working class voters love and support the very politicians who keep them in economic misery is a mystery to me. Tim Miller helped me understand their thinking.
But..... the working class was doing better under Donald Trump. However you feel about that, and however you feel about Donald Trump, that's an objective fact. How do you consolidate that with your theory?
How are higher gas prices and food prices better for the working class? Reducing jobs in the energy sector? How does Joe Biden resolve the issues you have for the working class?
Trump did nothing to help the working class, he just gave tax breaks to his rich cronies. Everything he did, from slashing veteran's aid money to dismantling environmental protection, was done for his rich cronies
Rebel mouth are you really going to use gas prices and food costs to tout Trump? Gas prices are going down, I suppose you'll credit 45 for that now. Food and other prices are set by large companies who make outrageous profits on the backs of working poor. Think a little, drive slower, read more and wake up to the facts. By the way Trump never cared for the little guy, he just wanted you to buy guns and a bigger truck.
@@kevinrichards481 I'm not touting Trump I don't think- I think my question was specifically "how can you argue that Trump was worse for the American working class, when by certain metrics life was better for them"?
When people act condescending and say "read the facts" online instead of simply taking two sentences to type them out, or point out a source, it's more than likely because that person is an arrogant clown who doesn't actually have facts and assumes they are out there and support their case, without having actually done the research.
By all means, feel free to explain EXACTLY where in the supply chain these big corporations are the problem when 60% of farmland is owner operated in the United States. Do you screech "corporations bad!" at every problem you see like a Bernie Sanders Pull n Speak?
You do realize that if you concede Joe Biden had an impact on the energy market,( which I think would be pretty foolish not to as he explicitly stated it was his goal and signed legislation to do so) you also have to concede Joe Biden impacted food prices.
Fertilizer, fuel and food. Just look at how much energy and petroleum based products are used in agriculture.
@@rebelmouth9349 you are mis-informed if you think it is biden's fault - please stop watching fox
NOTICE: From 14:28 to 14:52, he says the real problem is the GOP's base that demands "fighting the left, cruelty and nativism (racism)" from its elected officials, and he admits he does NOT cover this in his book. God bless him. He just saved me a lot of time.
And he was happy to throw red meat to that base to advance his career. He didn't just now figure out who the GOP's hard core voters are.
So he's tailoring to his audience then like a self-interested slimy coward as usual. Doesn't have the balls to admit it in the book, but does to an already receptive audience. Most people here already worked out that's what the GOP base is.
Yea, this is why I hate when people say it's both sides that are dividing us, esp when I've had to watch centrist dems try to reach across the aisle for years now. It's not both sides, not even close to being on the same level anyway.
Another book maybe?
@@xtinkerbellax3 msm continues that don’t they?
Many of our fellow Americans, unfortunately won’t wake up, until it too late. Somehow (speaking for myself as well) we have to become United. Make America United Again, Keep America a Democracy
Tim Miller has finally explained why people in power have kissed Trumps ring even though they hate him. I’ve always reached out to Trump loyalists I’ve encountered & they have been unwilling to consider listening to facts, everything I say is fake or a conspiracy according to them. I’m exhausted just trying to get them to just listen instead of deflecting without letting me finish a sentence. I’m terrified our democratic way of life will soon come to an end😔
“Compassionate conservatism?” That brief moment has long passed
It has never existed, and will never exist.
There is nothing compassionate about conservatism
I worked on Capitol Hill for five years and what Tim Miller says about the “addiction” found in DC political types IS THE TRUTH: 9:45
DC political types are mostly just a bunch of privileged (usually white) nerds/dorks DESPERATE to be important or at least be around important people. They want to be “in the room” and then go hang out at Georgetown bars and hopefully get laid.
Only people who have worked in DC politics know how truly selfish, cynical, hypocritical, perverse and revolting (and wack AF!) these people are.
Mad props to Tim for at least calling out their BS.
I still think if we get money out of politics (no lobbyist kickbacks, no stock investments, no outside company ownership) would help because only people who want to make a difference would be there.
I Guess you left out sociopaths
@@uptick888 I DID! My bad! 😆
Maybe YOU should write a book on this subject 🤔👍
Yep, my sister hated working in DC for this reason, she said the culture was horrible and people were just obsessed with status in terms of jobs.
I love Tim Miller's honesty.
I have a great deal of respect for the courage this man they used to work for Trump is displaying. I am astonished and sorry for him, since he himself is a member of a protected group. This is not games, and we are about to become a Fascist state.
He’s selling his conversion. It about money and power now just as it was then. I couldn’t trust a sleazy guy like that. I mean he actively worked against LGBTQ people by election people who wanted us not to exist. I can’t ever forgive that.
Never say never! We must fight harder than they do and never give in!
We ran out of ideas, we ran out of policies, we ran out of sense, we lost our balance, we decided to trust a dumb guy who would keep us afloat.
@@RickMartinUA-cam Bingo!
Afloat....
An illustration of "a drowning man clutches at straws".
@@RickMartinUA-cam for some of them it was Obama.
Some of them just hate everyone equally.
And the democrats backed a Harvard snob who xalled working people deplorable and never mentioned global warming. Bernie, we failed you.
@@RickMartinUA-cam definitely a tool they used
In other words #TimMiller crossed certain lines because of his ego, as many of us suspect most political figures (including those behind the scenes) do. #HubrisIsPowerful! Powerful enough to send your nation spiraling into a precipitous mad descent! He wasn't worried about where he was going to get his next meal, or how he would be able to meet his loved ones needs. Why would he ever concern himself for anyone else but the needs & wants of his! Ah, gotta love #TheTrueAmericanWay!
Hubris is the defining characteristic of both American conservatism and American Christianity, spiced up with a healthy dose of sadism.
Well done interview, and I loved hearing Tim Miller's insights. Thank you Amanpour and Co.
I really appreciate your comments, your honesty, Tim. It is helping me to understand how one can get caught up in the machine. It will take a very long time, however, to make me understand how so many decent ppl could listen to Trump's constant spew of hatred day after day after day and not wonder about that being the right path. What voters want is decent jobs, living wages, healthcare and affordable housing, not Trumpism.
Misery enjoys company?
It's funny how people turn around when all of a sudden the policies of your party turn against you, never mind the fact that the same policies had always been absolutely horrible to other people.
The mixture of religion and politics on the right means that everything they do is ordained by god, so anything they do to support that is acceptable. Lying, cheating and killing become acceptable to support that goal because everything is divinely mandated to carry out god's will. It is also an inherent part of sectarian systems that survival of the beliefs is no different than survival of the people and that supersedes any accommodation of a competing belief or idea. Compromise becomes an unacceptable solution because it dilutes the faith and compromise is an inherent part of any democracy. Fascism becomes the only acceptable political outcome.
Yes, the addition of religion is the real hook. From dedication to donations.
Yes! And the religious right claims to love the constitution, the USA yet they are nuking everything that has to do with separation of church and state. Disgusting , self serving, greedy hypocrites.
Acceptable??
Love listening to Tim Miller!