Sounds kind of like what My Grandfather used t say about 50 Years ago, He used to say Water would get scarce and they'll have to dig deeper and look harder for it in the future, He would tell Me that when I'd run too much Water in the Sink, and now I don't like to waste Water, He was sure right!
@@euanreid6682 the problem with Canada’s water is that most of it in accessible. Glaciers, remote lakes and ice packs in the arctic. It is not available to Canadians or Americans. the distances and terrain make it impossible to move that water from where it is to where it is needed. Canada is also seeing precipitation reduction yearly and we are experiencing drought in the prairies. I think we will need to come up some sort of cooperation solution between Mexico, Canada and the US regarding water. Maybe we build water transportation systems, maybe we build water retention systems to capture the water in the winter for use in the summer. All of us on this continent will need to work together because this is not just a problem in California or Saskatchewan. It is a problem we are all facing whether we are Canadian, American or Mexican.
Uh they aren't minor dropping lol. They cycle just like every other farm. But ANY plants you grow need irrigated. I blame the 45 million lawns that people waste water on. At least this is food.
@@joshn2342323 False. Look up Joel Salatin. Regenerative Farming using Biomimicry turns cows into Carbon Sequestration machines and improves water retention and increases water tables. Animals used properly actually heal and restore the land.
It is a planned depression... I live in a desert and there is NO WATER SHORTAGE HERE! They have desalination plants run by Nuclear power plants that provide for 8.2M people. Never once a water shortage... It's being perpetrated and California is under attack by land barons who are making California land cheap. I guarantee you if Bill Gates bought up his land, magically it would begin having plenty of water...
@Todd Cory Seems like a lot of people around the world are gonna die one way or another, population cannot keep growing forever on a finite planet like you say.
Not "forgotten", not "we didn't know"... Ignored. Ignored, ignored, ignored. There were people warning of the consequences from the very beginning but it was ignored. And still ignored, the man is right at the end: no adaption. The plants grown are the same, the industry is not looking to change, it's just looking to find "a way" to carry on doing exactly the same.
@Alec Stanton trump doesnt believe in global warming fool🤦🏽♂️.. Biden is addressing it and is at least trying to make a difference and everyone doesn't wanna give him credit. All they care bout is their stup¡d election being "stolen" u fool
Really, greed and over population is the cause of shortage water ,how long man can survive without water?? 3 days, believe me, these thirsty crops like cotton, alfalfa, and almonds will be here after mankind is wiped out, mankind destroyed this beautiful planet.
@@ErnestOfGaia I agree. I wonder what would happen if an acre of trees were planted for every acre of farmland planted? Reforest the fire scared areas.
Clark Chapin true man I used to smoke but have quit for a long time now and if you think about you think some dudes high as a kite will worry about how much water they waste nope and plus all the illegal crops that get destroyed and burned by the police
They are draining three reservoirs upstream from Lake Mead to try to compensate for some of the water lost. I have seen reports about this but it is mostly being carried by local stations in Vegas and LA.
866 golf course in CA. Average of 90 million gallons of water per year. An average household uses 102 gallons a day or 37230 a year. 866 golf course uses equivalent 2.4million household amount of water a year. There are 13million households in CA (2019). Let that sink in
I was living in Marin County during the 1973 drought. Marin residents got 105 gallons a week but San Francisco got more than Marin residents even though the water was coming from the Marin County watershed and reservoir.
that's because it all started as worthless land. now the water they've been stealing is running out. Every intelligent person new this would happen. Climate has little to do with it. Greed has everything to do with it.
>> Build more houses I don't know if that was snark, but that farmer's 33,000 acre feet of water (10% of normal) could be enough water for 50,000+ families.
The reason they started (which would have been tens of thousands of years ago) was because there was plenty of water. Now there is an issue with a lack of water.
@@fenlandwildlifeclips there was no large scale farming 10s of thousands of years ago in oregon. the report itself highlights the intensification largely began after ww1 and especially after ww2
Don't understand why it makes sense to farm animals in a desert when they require a large amount of water and crops every day when we can grow those plants for direct human consumption.
Wherre did you get the idea this is desert? Just because it's in California?? The only desert is the eastern edge of the state with Nevada and inland southern California where the Mojave Desert and other deserts are located. This video is about the California/Oregon border which has historically gotten at least average precipitation. 40+ inches per year. The issue is the drought which has taken hold throughout the southwest.
I noticed the farmer was actually worried about bankruptcy. It’s a small business, which by definition takes risks to make profit. He’s not entitled to an income, and if the business is not viable than it should not exist.
NoalFarstrider hahaha bro I was thinking the same haha 😂 but their is a huge problem in America with obesity even the farmer was gasping for air when he was only checking the soil
@@Rnankn not really, farming in the US rely heavily on subsidies from govermnent as food production is "crucial for national security".... that made farming lucrative even in the desert climate.... with all the americans being so proud about capitalistic system they should stop being so socialist about farming and let the market decide where its possible to farm.... which will be abroad
The actors in this story are the farmers, the Native Americans, and the city folk. The Guardian left out the bankers and the land Developers. the first thing that is out of balance here is the interest of the bankers and the developers.
-NOT ENOUGH WATER IN OREGON?! Scary stuff -let alone the lack of proper management and preparation what was seen coming years ago - thanks to the team who produced this excellent piece
"The irrigators want everything to stay the same." There's a problem with that logic guys, there isn't any water left in the basin. You can't be an irrigator if you don't have any water.
Too many people, too much waste. First- outlawwater for non-essentials such as fountains, golf courses, grass stadiums, etc. Change to less water needy crops. It is a desert area! Common sense to start!
Klamath Falls and the Klamath river basin is not a desert area. There are no stadiums anywhere near Klamath Falls, OR nor would any water used by Portland or anywhere 4 hours north affect the water in the Klamath River basin. I really suggest you do more research before you propose things
People need to stop trying to do things "the way they always have been done" and start being smarter. I honestly doubt humans will persist as a species for much longer.......
Humans can't live in peace or harmony with anything! If we go extinct we deserve it! It will mean peace and prosperity for the earth and all the other life forms, at least to the extent of human caused damage.
The farmer can move to Wisconsin or Virginia and continue his way of life. Plenty of rain in the eastern half of the United States plenty of farmland and it’s cheap. Especially compared to that Oregon land. Those salmon can’t move. Save the ecosystem move the farmer
@@andyeighttre and the population just keeps growing so the issue will continue. It wont matter if we find smarter or more efficient ways to farm and use less water when all these solutions will seemingly be cancelled out by the ever growing population eventually. Seems to me at some point a lot of people around the world are going to die one way or another.
That’s why I’m cool with WW3. Earth is about 3 billion over populated. It’s a sadistic mentality, but people need to stop producing mediocre resource wasters.
They're modern farmers who are supplying 300 million people with half their fresh food every day. They are using the most modern and efficient methods to feed the country. Farming is a science that is beyond your experience.
The farmer wants to insist the tribes change but doesn't want to adapt by adopting no till techniques. There are other ways to farm that don't need as much water. Send the water for the fish. More important to keep an ancient stock going than water some plants.
@@gamingtonight1526 It's not a price problem. It's a supply problem caused by climate change. Money isn't going to make it rain more, or keep snowpack from melting. Also Salmon don't have bank accounts. The farmer is making the same mistakes that were made in the the Depression Dustbowl era. Just because Daddy and Grandaddy and great grand daddy tore up the land and dumped a bunch of water on it doesn't mean it's the best or most productive way to farm or appropriate to Jr's circumstances and climate now. It's just fact that his soil would hold more moisture and be better suited for growing in a hotter, drier climate with a no-till cover crop techniques. Humans can adapt their farming practices. Salmon need the environment and conditions of water temperatures and flows they evolved in or they die.
Fish are not more holy that other living things. People are more important than fish and one tribes religion that worships fish. Quit worshiping creatures and worship the creator . . . also . . . Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
We the people need to fight for clean water and not be wasteful. America is a wasteful people. Shame on us. Quit watering lawns, quit watering golf course, quit building and filling backyard pools of all sizes, quit car washes, quit wasting people.
@@frankmorris4790 we say Mother Earth because she creates life using energy. In this context earth = matter and sun = energy. So it goes earth is the mother and the sun is the father. Matter interacting with the suns energy creates life here in this perfect equilibrium. It’s an ancient concept.
Farmer asks, how he's going to make it work. Answer: with all that land and no trees, it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Plenty of videos on UA-cam of people in poor nations turning deserts into productive land. But why bother, when you can just try to re-route rivers towards California.
Exactly, there are so many solutions. People just don't want to take up the common sense harder path is all. If they don't get it instantly, they say there's nothing to do. The short-term gain mindset is their issue.
You can't reroute rivers to California. All rivers have been allocated for decades. Every state must live within it's water means. That includes California. The only choice now is giving water to the cities or to the farms that supply half of the US's fresh foods. They've chosen the cities so you will be hurting for the next few years at the grocery store.
@Michael Angelo Lagare Of course you can compare, changing the route is a river is catatrophic. Such as when the Mississippi was rerouted many years ago, and the river keep trying to go back to it's route, causing many floods. It doesn't matter where the water comes from.
@Michael Angelo Lagare It doesn't matter what country in the entire planet. If you have a river in an African desert, that never sees snow, and reroute it you are affecting the entire eco system that used to benefit from that river. If you reroute a river in Siberia, you still affect the entire eco system. One is a desert, other very cold and lots of snow. Both are environmental disaster.
I love how no one discusses how the agricultural industry had water-wasting taxation benefit policies in place in California for decades. This issue could easily have been delayed in scale by years if not, likely decades if reasonable steps were taken. You really have to love how Americans have this mindset that any policy adjustments that removes, even absurd wastefulness in the agricultural industry, is seen as a move against the little farmer and thus, immediate political sacrifice.
I feel like there is an opportunity being missed to transform the farm fields into something that can provide a more sustainable income. For example, solar farms could take some of the demand from the dams and the river could be restored to a more natural state.
Meanwhile the “little farmer” doesn’t exist for at least forty years now. This ideal picture we have of the down home family farmers doesn’t exist. The methods used now make farming one of the most wasteful, polluting, unregulated industries harming humanity and this planet, right after fossil fuels.
We need to remove the agriculture that wasn’t meant to be created and sustained in these places. California, Oregon, Nevada, all totally unnatural places to try making cities and farms happen. But we did it. Doesn’t mean we have to keep doing it.
@@PhoenixFires9 in some ways yes. There are other pollinators and you can always use a Q-tip to pollinate. There is no replacment for the annual influx of nutrition into a River system like Salmon though.
California needs to reset their priorities. Stop watering the golf courses, water fountains for show and trying to farm in a desert. Farmering should be in areas that naturally deigned for farming. Next california should be made to use desalination for their water and stop stealing from the states that have no option for water other than the Colorado.
The farmer's caused this problem in the 1800s when they changed the flow of the San Joaquin River and Kings River. They erased the 9th largest Tulare lake in the world.
@@theonesickman Los Angeles was a desert 🏜️🏝️ and they purchased water rights a long time ago from Northern California and the Central Valley area. 1800s 1900s, killing the rivers, lakes and streams of water.
When are farmers going to realise if they created more organic matter in their soil (not dirt) they would need far less water for their crop. Some American farmers are now growing cover crops year on year and are reaping the benefits.
Start up cost… takes money to make money. One just can’t flip a switch and change the whole operation. Farmers work on disgustingly low profit margins and wage more debt than you can imagine on their lands equity so you and I get cheap’ish groceries at the supermarket.
Perhaps when they see crops fail. I feel like a lot of this is caused by farmers following the advice of their suppliers and not looking elsewhere for information. There needs to be government involvement and education programmes for ending the water waste.
The region where northern California meets Oregon is NOT a desert. Go look at a map once in a while! This area normally gets 40+ inches of rainfall per year. But this drought is so serious that it is changing everything.
@@LukeA1223 Um...crop plants are almost all products of many human generations of artificial selection. You are aware of that, right? A native plant is unlikely to produce a profitable level of food.
Right, so everyone switches to quinoa, population keeps growing, and then the growing of quinoa which requries less water is cancelled out by the increase population. Then what do we do?
@@jinglemyberries866 Besides, we're going to need to grow stuff where the water is. I was just thinking in terms of keeping one operation afloat for a while. Eventually he's going under, though. The agriculture in the far West, that depends on irrigation from snowmelt...is not going to exist. Because there will be no snow.
its a desert, its always been a desert. the only thing missing the water is the people that over use it. Farming products that are not native to California is the major issue.
100 years ago the Seiras were packed with snow. Tusceon had free flowing water in its rivers and groves of trees lined the banks of those rivers. Same river today...devoid of any vegitation and a empty river!
This video is about northern California and southern Oregon through which the Klamath River flows. This is not a desert. Historically it has been a rich habitat with plentiful precipitation. Now climate change is worsening drought that in the past was transient. Drought has become deeper and more entrenched throughout the west. The entire southwest is seeing worsening drought, warming temperatures and this is making forest fires worse. Farmers are seeing a loss of their life style quite suddenly. The next decade or so could be a major turning point for this part of the country. We can still move to a more healthy reality for everyone, but right now we are moving in the wrong direction.
I have said this since I was 10 years old...now I'm closer to 67 years. People better stop watering their yards. That's it... no more water there is no more life. Period.
It's true there are too many people. But this video is not about those in Las Vegas, Nevada or Phoenix, Arizona. This video is about the California/Oregon where the Klamath River used to provide for numerous tribes in a region formerly known as the Everglades of the west. Then farming was allowed to prosper through damming of the Klamath to and the livelihood of the native peoples.. Now drought is devasting farming in a way that it has never before. That is the problem.
Blows my mind that farms out west do not know about water retention. Just look at all that barren land. no wonder you have no water. You can fix that. Literally takes less than a year and you could fix the problem. All those hills around that farmer while he is grabing dry earth need water retaining structures. These things like swales all along the entire hill side. Up and down it. Those fields need pond holes. How do you expect to create ground water if you let all the water that falls to the earth run right off it? Check out the water retention contest in India. they have turned desert into lush lands with lakes.
Everyone of these farmers all vote and active choose against advice of experts to overuse for the sake of $ now. Now they cry about their children. Absolutely zero self awareness.
Responsibility needs to be acknowledged. People have been warning for ever, but are ignored by people who vote for policies that lead to the same thing the warnings tried to prevent.
if there's any water.... otherwise you just sow and there is no reaping.... That expression is supposed to be about hope and bounty, not wrongdoing and karma.
@@Rnankn Winston Churchill once said” The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.” And, you provide the proof.
america like all other countries need to realise that its resources are not infinite although vast, and that they must be managed/regulated better by government. Cant wait for the Klamath dams to come down, there are countless obsolete and useless forgotten dams all over the world which could be removed
Wasn't it precisely that kind of meddling, the fact that somebody decided that the resources even needed to be "managed" to begin with, that lead to the situation being what it is now?
This is breaking my heart we all survive on water we want water for every thing literally everything and now we don't have water . This is heartbreaking 😓😓😓 soonly we all gonna die people will start killing eachother for water we need to save water 😭😭😭 Please save water 😭😭😭🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Nor Cal isn't a desert by any stretch, the farmers made it a desert by stripping the trees that provided shade and the landscape that previously held the water from running off to the ocean or being evaporated prematurely.
So just also look deeper into the facts...why do farmers farm?....profit......and why do Salmon need the water....to live in....😬...sorry the fish win this fight
@Mia Zadora you seriously think they haven't tried that? I recently saw one forest fire that covered with snow and was still burning underneath. Fires especially in heat and drought are resilient.
Permaculture and organic farming practices. Look after microbial life in the soil. Stop monoculture. If you put poison on the ground like Monsanto’s encouraged , glyphosate etc the soil life eventually dies. We need to go back to local farming and farmer’s market’s.
I live right beside the Great lakes, which is the largest fresh water supply on Earth. I would never live where the most important thing in life is a problem.
Irrigation is totally absurd - this farmer is so ignorant - permaculture practices could heal this land, but that dude has no grasp of true reality. The Earth is sacred. The salmon are sacred.
Native tribes also conquered and colonised regions. ' Native' tribes are just earlier settlers in a region. This is far broader than farmers vs salmon stewards/venerators. All the other industries that utilise water are not included in this documentary.
Let's be honest, there is too much farming. Every day, week, and month, tons of food goes to waste. Stop farming crops that use too much water. People are starting to grow a lot of their own vegetables again...which is great.
I'm an Oregonian. I live in the Willamette valley. Not on the boarder. However, this problem with water is not new, and is kind of turning into a joke. California and the commercial farming industry there has been wasting and contaminating water since the 1950's. Dams and over fishing, for what, profits... Whose profits are worth destroying the land for future use? This land has been over exploited and under maintained for generations. These privileged white families living in the mountains have no room to talk. But, the local indigenous populations do. Take down the dams. Stop pumping water out of aquifers to give to corporate, for profit, farms.
Developing intense agriculture and intense population in a semi to arid desert location. Well that's not a real Smart idea... Climate change is here and now we're all going to ride the coaster... I'm sorry for the farmers...😔
Move to Michigan. We are surrounded by 20% of the Earth's surface fresh water. Last week we got 9 inches of rain. You can farm all you want, and your neighbors have your back.
Life is about balance, not dominance. Growing crops that don't belong in an arid climate, overpopulation, etc. Humanity suffers from the Disease of Prosperity and soon enough there will be a shift. It will be painful and we will be better for it.
Sustainable is a scarcity mindset Regenerative is an abundance mindset What nature is telling us is that we need to give back …. Because all we’ve done is take
Why we need to cut the population! If we had fewer people, there would be less need for everything - water, salmon, agriculture, space, land, trees, and even forest fires would be less traumatic if it was touching fewer lives. And yes, I understand a lot of the issues of hunger are logistics and distribution based, not due to production. But imagine if we had to produce less and had more time for everything that isn't work...
An incredibly poignant documentary about the collapse of an ecosystem that until recently was part of the US bread basket. Fascinating to watch the different emotional responses from the settlers and the indigenous. Civilisation became possible with the growth and storage of grains at scale, that luxury is going away.
The people have not come to terms with reality! They will soon understand reality of the natural world. Me, you, can not change this. IT is reality. Hope, pray, which, I don't do, Hope that they come to understand the natural world better!
3 Minutes in and I'm thinking: plant some hedge/forestry strips on your fields. You will hold water, partially shade your land, build soil (not dirt?), increase your water budget for the land you do keep cropped up, harvest leaf hay for your browsers, create diversified crops of fruit, nuts, coppice wood etc. . Before your tried that: stop moaning!
These water problems have been around more than 50 years. Look at the water levels even 20 years ago.. very low. We are the same as people driving on 1/8 a tank of fuel with no interest what happens when we are out
What's weird, our family has farmed this continent for about 400 years. None of which was ever irrigated. It was all about top soil preservation and water retention. We would get 100 degree days, but dig down 4 inches, the ground was still moist.
What’s the yearly precipitation average you speak of? Farmer in video gets a foot or less. Half of that is snow in the winter. He is completely reliant on irrigation as are all desert and high desert farmers.
@@andyeighttre If you are completely reliant on irrigation, you're farming in the wrong area. Can't just farm anywhere, unless you farm Cacti. What happened is, people got really cheap land in the middle of the desert and then had the brainchild idea of starting a farm. There are reasons our corn is grown in the mid west. Why wheat is grown in Kansas and up here in Washington. The climate is right for it. And we don't get a lot of rain in the summer, but we do get snow. So, a majority of what we do is all about water retention and soil preparation. We have miles of terraces, in order to hold the run-off. We plant based on the contour of the slopes, using a specific type of drill, using a specific type of furrow. Some deep, some not. Big thing is not destroying the stubble, so it could provide a nice blanket of top soil that would retain water in the ground quite nicely. Fact is, food cannot be grown just anywhere. Farms cannot be just anywhere. Can't grow 'Winter Wheat' or 'Spring Wheat' when you don't have normal seasons.
In long term, one of the solutions is indoor vertical farm which could recycle 90% of water. The problem is initial huge capital investment of such projects, where the government policies could have a big impact.
People persisting with farming monoculture with industrial techniques. Every year this needs more water, more fertiliser, more pesticide. Since switching my farm to permaculture techniques you realise how crazy the monoculture way is.
You complain that the DESERT HAS NO WATER. The problem isn't a lack of water, the problem is building cities and towns where's there's very little water to begin with.
What a waste of natural resources to generate feed hay/grain for animals. We need to completely rethink what farming is for and where it occurs as well as relocate and compensate those who are farming in unsustainable areas. Probably cheaper in the long run than the subsidy!
This video ended on the complete wrong note unfortunately. I do not believe that the white Klamath basin farmer's feels the same connection to the land that a person who is indigenous to the area feels. Ending on this note seems to suggest that farmers and indigenous people should have equal claims to land and water rights. Its a shame that what is mostly an informative and well done video would end with such a colonialist message.
Unless the feds step in with loans, and right away, the only option is to sell the animals, sell the machinery, and mail the deed for the house to the bank. These folks don't have any money to transition to new crops. They just have to move. The droughts, the wildfires, so many people are getting hurt, the last two years especially.
@@docwatson1134 Then change the rules. Nationalize the banks. Money and ownership are not laws of nature, they can and should be changed if they do not serve people and life.
At the time crops are planted in the spring, the farmer does not know how wet or dry the summer will be so they have to plant early enough to allow time for crops to mature, it takes 200 days for cotton to mature, for instance. The farmers have to invest in seed, fertilizer, and diesel for the tractor so they have an investment in the farming season long before the drought is felt.
The salmon are the most important to save. Once the run is dead, NOBODY can bring it back. EVER!!! Farmers aren't indigenous to the region, they're an invasive species.
Crater Lake used to get massive amounts of snow. It no longer does. Most all of S Oregon's lakes were bone dry in 2021. The only reason Upper Klamath Lake wasn't was due to not letting it be sucked dry by irrigation.
An old man told me once... Clean water will be more expensive then gold.
Sounds kind of like what My Grandfather used t say about 50 Years ago, He used to say Water would get scarce and they'll have to dig deeper and look harder for it in the future, He would tell Me that when I'd run too much Water in the Sink, and now I don't like to waste Water, He was sure right!
You mean Canada is made out of Gold?
I'm set cactus juice 5$ a bottle lol
@@euanreid6682 the problem with Canada’s water is that most of it in accessible. Glaciers, remote lakes and ice packs in the arctic. It is not available to Canadians or Americans. the distances and terrain make it impossible to move that water from where it is to where it is needed. Canada is also seeing precipitation reduction yearly and we are experiencing drought in the prairies. I think we will need to come up some sort of cooperation solution between Mexico, Canada and the US regarding water. Maybe we build water transportation systems, maybe we build water retention systems to capture the water in the winter for use in the summer. All of us on this continent will need to work together because this is not just a problem in California or Saskatchewan. It is a problem we are all facing whether we are Canadian, American or Mexican.
@@euanreid6682?
Mono cropping the desert = FAIL
fr i feel bad for these people but these growing methods are asinine
It's not a desert.
@@CarsandChris it wasn't a desert*
@@CarsandChris It is now.
Uh they aren't minor dropping lol. They cycle just like every other farm. But ANY plants you grow need irrigated. I blame the 45 million lawns that people waste water on. At least this is food.
Regenerative Farming. Stop farming water intensive crops!!!!! These people can't change.
@@joshn2342323 False. Look up Joel Salatin. Regenerative Farming using Biomimicry turns cows into Carbon Sequestration machines and improves water retention and increases water tables. Animals used properly actually heal and restore the land.
You used to live like there is no tomorrow...
...now there is no tomorrow.
There was before leftists and trumpers voted in psychopaths.
Klaus World they place themselves in positions to get voted in, it's not all on voters. Come up with something different.
@@Anita-md9ze it's all on the voters
The Great depression is here folks. You can run but you can't hide..
It is a planned depression... I live in a desert and there is NO WATER SHORTAGE HERE! They have desalination plants run by Nuclear power plants that provide for 8.2M people. Never once a water shortage... It's being perpetrated and California is under attack by land barons who are making California land cheap. I guarantee you if Bill Gates bought up his land, magically it would begin having plenty of water...
@Todd Cory Look up "mouse utopia" by John Calhoun
You can live in denial. Everyone is doing it. Delusion is the new rich.
you can hun but you can't ride.
@Todd Cory Seems like a lot of people around the world are gonna die one way or another, population cannot keep growing forever on a finite planet like you say.
Not "forgotten", not "we didn't know"... Ignored. Ignored, ignored, ignored. There were people warning of the consequences from the very beginning but it was ignored. And still ignored, the man is right at the end: no adaption. The plants grown are the same, the industry is not looking to change, it's just looking to find "a way" to carry on doing exactly the same.
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And everyone ignores rampant population growth, the root cause of many of these problems.
Blame trump. Lock him up
@@rauljrlara9994 Obama didn't know about this? lol...
@Alec Stanton trump doesnt believe in global warming fool🤦🏽♂️.. Biden is addressing it and is at least trying to make a difference and everyone doesn't wanna give him credit. All they care bout is their stup¡d election being "stolen" u fool
I have a great idea: Lets build huge mega cities and farms in the desert
And let's gamble in the desert surrounded by lights and fountains...
Wow these are both great ideas 💡 for sustainable living .
@@carpediem44 and golf courses
@@joshn2342323
We'd have to farm somewhere else, where there's more water.
The Earth is overpopulated. Some empty plates would be ok.
Stop growing thirsty crops like cotton, alfalfa, and almonds in a semi desert and desert climate.
And cannabis
Really, greed and over population is the cause of shortage water ,how long man can survive without water?? 3 days, believe me, these thirsty crops like cotton, alfalfa, and almonds will be here after mankind is wiped out, mankind destroyed this beautiful planet.
Right, maybe put trees back on the landscape
@@ErnestOfGaia I agree. I wonder what would happen if an acre of trees were planted for every acre of farmland planted? Reforest the fire scared areas.
Clark Chapin true man I used to smoke but have quit for a long time now and if you think about you think some dudes high as a kite will worry about how much water they waste nope and plus all the illegal crops that get destroyed and burned by the police
Hoover Dam is about to drop below the capacity to produce power. No one is really talking about this
They WILL when it happens.
Will it happen this summer?
IF so, MANY NEW PEOPLE will be ALARMED. IT needs to happen. Sorry! Get REAL PEOPLE. LIFE is not the Land of MAKE BELIEVE.
except for the hundreds of news stories about it; you have to succumb to the youtube algorithm!
They are draining three reservoirs upstream from Lake Mead to try to compensate for some of the water lost. I have seen reports about this but it is mostly being carried by local stations in Vegas and LA.
The Colorado River is at record lows and Utah wants to siphon more off for a desert community...
30 years ago we were told this would happen.
Newson declaration on the water resorces,"They are JUST FINE and IMPROVING my son."
Can you imagine what it's going to be like in another 30 years? Overpopulation is leading to our extinction...
@@walleyperch Not just ours.
@@daveg5857 👍definitely no room for animals or anything else....
@@walleyperch Climate change buddy. Get that right.
There is enough water for everybody's need but not for everybody's greed
I suspect the water is only the first of many problems for those folks.
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@@Rnankn for us folk.
@@Im-the-greatest 1% of the earths water is drinkable
866 golf course in CA. Average of 90 million gallons of water per year.
An average household uses 102 gallons a day or 37230 a year.
866 golf course uses equivalent 2.4million household amount of water a year.
There are 13million households in CA (2019). Let that sink in
Love it. Great analogy
This needs to stop. Recreation at the cost of biosphere health.…it’s WRONG.
I was living in Marin County during the 1973 drought. Marin residents got 105 gallons a week but San Francisco got more than Marin residents even though the water was coming from the Marin County watershed and reservoir.
@@topixfromthetropix1674 of course
shut off all golf courses
Farmers cannot even sell their farms, without water the land is practically worthless.
that's because it all started as worthless land. now the water they've been stealing is running out. Every intelligent person new this would happen. Climate has little to do with it. Greed has everything to do with it.
@@ioodyssey3740 A bit to keen to deny?
Build more houses
>> Build more houses
I don't know if that was snark, but that farmer's 33,000 acre feet of water (10% of normal) could be enough water for 50,000+ families.
@@billsimons4113 I was being sarcastic as it seems houses take over farmland everywhere
clearly they should not be farming there, that is what caused the imbalance to begin with
if they're going to farm they should at least be switching to more sustainable crops and more efficient irrigation
The reason they started (which would have been tens of thousands of years ago) was because there was plenty of water. Now there is an issue with a lack of water.
@@fenlandwildlifeclips there was no large scale farming 10s of thousands of years ago in oregon. the report itself highlights the intensification largely began after ww1 and especially after ww2
@@fenlandwildlifeclips Little hint: You don't call things a project when they've been there for a while.
Tens of thousands of years ago,surely you jest.
Don't understand why it makes sense to farm animals in a desert when they require a large amount of water and crops every day when we can grow those plants for direct human consumption.
we shouldnt be trying to farm at all in the desert LOL
They feed themselves off the land, they don't eat corn unless they are pinned.
Bc economies of scale
Wherre did you get the idea this is desert? Just because it's in California?? The only desert is the eastern edge of the state with Nevada and inland southern California where the Mojave Desert and other deserts are located.
This video is about the California/Oregon border which has historically gotten at least average precipitation. 40+ inches per year. The issue is the drought which has taken hold throughout the southwest.
Stop farming in the desert, but crop insurance keeps poor farming practices alive.
I noticed the farmer was actually worried about bankruptcy. It’s a small business, which by definition takes risks to make profit. He’s not entitled to an income, and if the business is not viable than it should not exist.
And "Crop Insurance" financed by the Government plus insane Government subsidies keep unsustainable farming going.
That fisherman looked full,maybe he doesn't need to eat as much. he should leave some salmon for his other people not in the Yurok tribe...
NoalFarstrider hahaha bro I was thinking the same haha 😂 but their is a huge problem in America with obesity even the farmer was gasping for air when he was only checking the soil
@@Rnankn not really, farming in the US rely heavily on subsidies from govermnent as food production is "crucial for national security".... that made farming lucrative even in the desert climate.... with all the americans being so proud about capitalistic system they should stop being so socialist about farming and let the market decide where its possible to farm.... which will be abroad
The actors in this story are the farmers, the Native Americans, and the city folk. The Guardian left out the bankers and the land Developers.
the first thing that is out of balance here is the interest of the bankers and the developers.
And city planners.
Interesting comment but I don't quite understand 🤔 Could you elaborate? Thanks!
They werent actors you a hole!
That was correct, greedy developers were missing, the most important equation that consumed the water. Cities and town were to blame for greedy.
Hmmmm Bankers and Land developers view those folks as peasants!
-NOT ENOUGH WATER IN OREGON?! Scary stuff -let alone the lack of proper management and preparation what was seen coming years ago - thanks to the team who produced this excellent piece
"The irrigators want everything to stay the same."
There's a problem with that logic guys, there isn't any water left in the basin. You can't be an irrigator if you don't have any water.
The biggest problem with your argument is most Americans dont WANT to understand the problem.
And every year there are more irrigators.
@@donkanis6141 true. they all think they are entitled to to the world and that everything is just 'positive'
Desalination is the answer. The oceans have plenty of water. The Dems want climate change, so they'll continue to ignore desalination in California.
@@quagmirewarrior4202 you don’t know what your talking about.
Too many people, too much waste. First- outlawwater for non-essentials such as fountains, golf courses, grass stadiums, etc. Change to less water needy crops. It is a desert area! Common sense to start!
The only solution is less people and Mother Nature will take care of that problem one way or another.
Klamath Falls and the Klamath river basin is not a desert area.
There are no stadiums anywhere near Klamath Falls, OR nor would any water used by Portland or anywhere 4 hours north affect the water in the Klamath River basin. I really suggest you do more research before you propose things
@@walden6272 no food or water - that will thin the herd...
Too many people and COWS. 😉
for Real ‼️
cattle ranching uses way more water than any farming in the area does
People need to stop trying to do things "the way they always have been done" and start being smarter. I honestly doubt humans will persist as a species for much longer.......
Exactly, I am estimating we will be extinct in 100 to 200 yrs or earlier.
@@michellebeckstrom6110 200 years? You're more optimistic than me I guess.....
Humans can't live in peace or harmony with anything! If we go extinct we deserve it! It will mean peace and prosperity for the earth and all the other life forms, at least to the extent of human caused damage.
People, I've noticed, don't get smarter till they have no choice.
We always find a way.
The farmer can move to Wisconsin or Virginia and continue his way of life. Plenty of rain in the eastern half of the United States plenty of farmland and it’s cheap. Especially compared to that Oregon land. Those salmon can’t move. Save the ecosystem move the farmer
I agree , California and Oregon should try and survive without the farmers they vilify and hate
Look up where the Midwest gets its farming water. It’s draining the largest aqueduct in the US. So moving only temporarily solves his problem.
@@andyeighttre and the population just keeps growing so the issue will continue. It wont matter if we find smarter or more efficient ways to farm and use less water when all these solutions will seemingly be cancelled out by the ever growing population eventually. Seems to me at some point a lot of people around the world are going to die one way or another.
That’s why I’m cool with WW3. Earth is about 3 billion over populated. It’s a sadistic mentality, but people need to stop producing mediocre resource wasters.
@@andyeighttre x1000
Too bad the farming technique did not include building up organic matter in the soil.
Yea that soil was harsh. They need to let the soil regenerate. Monoculture has to stop.
Yeah looks like flour.
They're modern farmers who are supplying 300 million people with half their fresh food every day. They are using the most modern and efficient methods to feed the country. Farming is a science that is beyond your experience.
@@roseroses7576 you dont understand what your talking about which describes why there in this situation... 🤔
yep but no water is no water- this is global warming.
The farmer wants to insist the tribes change but doesn't want to adapt by adopting no till techniques. There are other ways to farm that don't need as much water. Send the water for the fish. More important to keep an ancient stock going than water some plants.
Or price water realistically. Like the rest of the industrialized world...
@@gamingtonight1526 It's not a price problem. It's a supply problem caused by climate change. Money isn't going to make it rain more, or keep snowpack from melting. Also Salmon don't have bank accounts. The farmer is making the same mistakes that were made in the the Depression Dustbowl era. Just because Daddy and Grandaddy and great grand daddy tore up the land and dumped a bunch of water on it doesn't mean it's the best or most productive way to farm or appropriate to Jr's circumstances and climate now. It's just fact that his soil would hold more moisture and be better suited for growing in a hotter, drier climate with a no-till cover crop techniques. Humans can adapt their farming practices. Salmon need the environment and conditions of water temperatures and flows they evolved in or they die.
Nestle anyone?
@@SteelFisher get a career in resource conservation
Fish are not more holy that other living things. People are more important than fish and one tribes religion that worships fish. Quit worshiping creatures and worship the creator . . . also . . . Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
We the people need to fight for clean water and not be wasteful. America is a wasteful people. Shame on us. Quit watering lawns, quit watering golf course, quit building and filling backyard pools of all sizes, quit car washes, quit wasting people.
maybe you really don't understand where most of the water goes
It’s only a matter of time when there is absolutely none👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾
Who cares, actions speak louder than words, the Native Americans had it right, respect for mother earth!
Heartless broad.
There is no "Mother earth" there is only earh.
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There is no mother earth......only our planet natural reaction to man's love for money.
@@frankmorris4790 we say Mother Earth because she creates life using energy. In this context earth = matter and sun = energy. So it goes earth is the mother and the sun is the father. Matter interacting with the suns energy creates life here in this perfect equilibrium. It’s an ancient concept.
Farmer asks, how he's going to make it work. Answer: with all that land and no trees, it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Plenty of videos on UA-cam of people in poor nations turning deserts into productive land. But why bother, when you can just try to re-route rivers towards California.
Exactly, there are so many solutions. People just don't want to take up the common sense harder path is all. If they don't get it instantly, they say there's nothing to do. The short-term gain mindset is their issue.
You can't reroute rivers to California. All rivers have been allocated for decades. Every state must live within it's water means. That includes California. The only choice now is giving water to the cities or to the farms that supply half of the US's fresh foods. They've chosen the cities so you will be hurting for the next few years at the grocery store.
@Michael Angelo Lagare Of course you can compare, changing the route is a river is catatrophic. Such as when the Mississippi was rerouted many years ago, and the river keep trying to go back to it's route, causing many floods. It doesn't matter where the water comes from.
@Michael Angelo Lagare It doesn't matter what country in the entire planet. If you have a river in an African desert, that never sees snow, and reroute it you are affecting the entire eco system that used to benefit from that river. If you reroute a river in Siberia, you still affect the entire eco system. One is a desert, other very cold and lots of snow. Both are environmental disaster.
Re-routing rivers would be extremely harmful. Wipe out cities. Cause more drought.
13:30 "I would feel more comfortable"... it's not about your comfort man 😔
I love how no one discusses how the agricultural industry had water-wasting taxation benefit policies in place in California for decades.
This issue could easily have been delayed in scale by years if not, likely decades if reasonable steps were taken.
You really have to love how Americans have this mindset that any policy adjustments that removes, even absurd wastefulness in the agricultural industry, is seen as a move against the little farmer and thus, immediate political sacrifice.
I feel like there is an opportunity being missed to transform the farm fields into something that can provide a more sustainable income.
For example, solar farms could take some of the demand from the dams and the river could be restored to a more natural state.
Speaking of water wasting policies what about letting 80% of the fresh water that drops on the Sierras flow unused to the Ocean?
Meanwhile the “little farmer” doesn’t exist for at least forty years now. This ideal picture we have of the down home family farmers doesn’t exist. The methods used now make farming one of the most wasteful, polluting, unregulated industries harming humanity and this planet, right after fossil fuels.
@@spinflux AMEN to that.
We need to remove the agriculture that wasn’t meant to be created and sustained in these places. California, Oregon, Nevada, all totally unnatural places to try making cities and farms happen. But we did it. Doesn’t mean we have to keep doing it.
Ok stop buying crops from the markets then. Learn to appreciate farmer without then you don’t eat
@@organizedchaos4559 you can appreciate farmers who farm sustainably instead of mass ag monocropping.
If we lose the Salmon it will be as bad as losing the bees.
Why
I’m not sure but I think losing bees would be worse.
@@PhoenixFires9 in some ways yes. There are other pollinators and you can always use a Q-tip to pollinate. There is no replacment for the annual influx of nutrition into a River system like Salmon though.
No
@@henrymellard5647 No what?
California needs to reset their priorities. Stop watering the golf courses, water fountains for show and trying to farm in a desert. Farmering should be in areas that naturally deigned for farming. Next california should be made to use desalination for their water and stop stealing from the states that have no option for water other than the Colorado.
One cannot discount the role the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) in mis-managing every water project west of Denver.
It’s incredibly hard if not impossible to change people mindset. Nothing will change until every last drop is gone.
This has happened before ask your grandfather about the Colorado dust bowl
Forget about landscaping or golf courses. Yea right!
The farmer's caused this problem in the 1800s when they changed the flow of the San Joaquin River and Kings River. They erased the 9th largest Tulare lake in the world.
Los Angeles drained the great Owens lake on the east side to fill all the swimming pools and make golf courses.
Mother nature bats last
@@theonesickman Los Angeles was a desert 🏜️🏝️ and they purchased water rights a long time ago from Northern California and the Central Valley area. 1800s 1900s, killing the rivers, lakes and streams of water.
When are farmers going to realise if they created more organic matter in their soil (not dirt) they would need far less water for their crop. Some American farmers are now growing cover crops year on year and are reaping the benefits.
Start up cost… takes money to make money. One just can’t flip a switch and change the whole operation. Farmers work on disgustingly low profit margins and wage more debt than you can imagine on their lands equity so you and I get cheap’ish groceries at the supermarket.
@@andyeighttre Many farmers make a lot of money.
Perhaps when they see crops fail. I feel like a lot of this is caused by farmers following the advice of their suppliers and not looking elsewhere for information. There needs to be government involvement and education programmes for ending the water waste.
I feel sorry for that family but Stop growing Alfalfa and wheat in the desert! Save the Salmon 😢
The region where northern California meets Oregon is NOT a desert. Go look at a map once in a while!
This area normally gets 40+ inches of rainfall per year. But this drought is so serious that it is changing everything.
The world will be fine, the people are fuckt...George Carlin
That wheat farmer ought to switch to quinoa, or something else that needs less water.
Adapt a native plant to do what you need it to do.
@@LukeA1223
Um...crop plants are almost all products of many human generations of artificial selection. You are aware of that, right? A native plant is unlikely to produce a profitable level of food.
Right, so everyone switches to quinoa, population keeps growing, and then the growing of quinoa which requries less water is cancelled out by the increase population. Then what do we do?
@@jinglemyberries866
US citizens are reproducing below replacement rate. So are most wealthy countries.
@@jinglemyberries866
Besides, we're going to need to grow stuff where the water is. I was just thinking in terms of keeping one operation afloat for a while. Eventually he's going under, though. The agriculture in the far West, that depends on irrigation from snowmelt...is not going to exist. Because there will be no snow.
"We thought we could engineer an oasis". Such hubris/folly.
Climate change looking pretty real right now, huh?
That hollowed out Canoe!! I would love to spend a couple weeks with that native American and his family.
I thought it was pretty bold to put his kid in there no life jacket, with a gunnel that low above the water line in a river.
I'm sure that he doesn't have a job so you could visit him, like, whenever.
@@lisad2701 pretty sure he was like the chairman of his tribe lol... thats a job?
its a desert, its always been a desert. the only thing missing the water is the people that over use it. Farming products that are not native to California is the major issue.
100 years ago the Seiras were packed with snow. Tusceon had free flowing water in its rivers and groves of trees lined the banks of those rivers. Same river today...devoid of any vegitation and a empty river!
This video is about northern California and southern Oregon through which the Klamath River flows. This is not a desert. Historically it has been a rich habitat with plentiful precipitation.
Now climate change is worsening drought that in the past was transient. Drought has become deeper and more entrenched throughout the west. The entire southwest is seeing worsening drought, warming temperatures and this is making forest fires worse. Farmers are seeing a loss of their life style quite suddenly. The next decade or so could be a major turning point for this part of the country. We can still move to a more healthy reality for everyone, but right now we are moving in the wrong direction.
I have said this since I was 10 years old...now I'm closer to 67 years. People better stop watering their yards. That's it... no more water there is no more life. Period.
Nope! It’s the animal agriculture industry. End all support of the animal agriculture industry worldwide effective immediately!!!
Regenerative farming methods help. Build soil and store moisture in place. Don’t farm dirt, build healthy soil.
There ain't supposed to be Human life in places like Vegas and most of Arizona.
This was inevitable, to many people 🤷♂️
It's true there are too many people. But this video is not about those in Las Vegas, Nevada or Phoenix, Arizona. This video is about the California/Oregon where the Klamath River used to provide for numerous tribes in a region formerly known as the Everglades of the west.
Then farming was allowed to prosper through damming of the Klamath to and the livelihood of the native peoples.. Now drought is devasting farming in a way that it has never before. That is the problem.
Blows my mind that farms out west do not know about water retention. Just look at all that barren land. no wonder you have no water. You can fix that. Literally takes less than a year and you could fix the problem. All those hills around that farmer while he is grabing dry earth need water retaining structures. These things like swales all along the entire hill side. Up and down it. Those fields need pond holes. How do you expect to create ground water if you let all the water that falls to the earth run right off it? Check out the water retention contest in India. they have turned desert into lush lands with lakes.
When I was little. My great grandfather used to ask me, Son, how did your ancestors do in caring for the lands that provide life?
Everyone of these farmers all vote and active choose against advice of experts to overuse for the sake of $ now.
Now they cry about their children. Absolutely zero self awareness.
zero self awareness looks a lot like you not knowing where you get your food from bud.
@@justinbayola I don't get mine from califuckyall, bud.
Responsibility needs to be acknowledged. People have been warning for ever, but are ignored by people who vote for policies that lead to the same thing the warnings tried to prevent.
We reap what we sow.
Yup. And we never learn.
if there's any water.... otherwise you just sow and there is no reaping....
That expression is supposed to be about hope and bounty, not wrongdoing and karma.
@@falsename2285 that’s exactly the point and it applies.
And we eat what we reap. And we are what we eat.
@@Rnankn Winston Churchill once said” The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.” And, you provide the proof.
Industrial/factory farming has got to go...
Hydroponic farming uses 90% less water and is compact!
america like all other countries need to realise that its resources are not infinite although vast, and that they must be managed/regulated better by government. Cant wait for the Klamath dams to come down, there are countless obsolete and useless forgotten dams all over the world which could be removed
Wasn't it precisely that kind of meddling, the fact that somebody decided that the resources even needed to be "managed" to begin with, that lead to the situation being what it is now?
This is breaking my heart we all survive on water we want water for every thing literally everything and now we don't have water . This is heartbreaking 😓😓😓 soonly we all gonna die people will start killing eachother for water we need to save water 😭😭😭 Please save water 😭😭😭🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Come to Mexico,Costa Rica,Ecuador,COLOMBIA...WE HAVE A lot OF water SoURCES..
Are they watering the golf courses?
Of course
Yo farming in the desert is not great job stability.
Nor Cal isn't a desert by any stretch, the farmers made it a desert by stripping the trees that provided shade and the landscape that previously held the water from running off to the ocean or being evaporated prematurely.
Its actually not a desert its just ina. Drought
So just also look deeper into the facts...why do farmers farm?....profit......and why do Salmon need the water....to live in....😬...sorry the fish win this fight
You're all in my prayers .. from Canada, sadly there are dangerous fires we are dealing with here 🙏🙏
@Mia Zadora brb let me bury a whole forest fire in sand lol
@Mia Zadora you seriously think they haven't tried that? I recently saw one forest fire that covered with snow and was still burning underneath. Fires especially in heat and drought are resilient.
Nicely done story. Showed the competing interests well and did not push some quick fix solution.
LOL There is no solution.
Permaculture and organic farming practices. Look after microbial life in the soil. Stop monoculture. If you put poison on the ground like Monsanto’s encouraged , glyphosate etc the soil life eventually dies.
We need to go back to local farming and farmer’s market’s.
Eat plants, live healthier, use less water.
It's true
We were warned. We voted for this.
YOU voted for that
@@UncleJimmyOutWest nope. Liberal here.
I always vote green. I’ve never been represented. I hate you all.
I live right beside the Great lakes, which is the largest fresh water supply on Earth. I would never live where the most important thing in life is a problem.
Irrigation is totally absurd - this farmer is so ignorant - permaculture practices could heal this land, but that dude has no grasp of true reality. The Earth is sacred. The salmon are sacred.
So what are you saying?
I hate how the media frames the problem. It’s not farmers versus fish its farmers versus the native tribes that existed long before colonization.
Facepalm! It isn't farmers versus natives. It's man versus nature. At least the natives understand balance. The farmer only understands consumption.
Native tribes also conquered and colonised regions. ' Native' tribes are just earlier settlers in a region.
This is far broader than farmers vs salmon stewards/venerators. All the other industries that utilise water are not included in this documentary.
Let's be honest, there is too much farming. Every day, week, and month, tons of food goes to waste. Stop farming crops that use too much water. People are starting to grow a lot of their own vegetables again...which is great.
Oh, shut up. You know nothing about farming and agriculture.
I'm an Oregonian. I live in the Willamette valley. Not on the boarder. However, this problem with water is not new, and is kind of turning into a joke. California and the commercial farming industry there has been wasting and contaminating water since the 1950's. Dams and over fishing, for what, profits... Whose profits are worth destroying the land for future use? This land has been over exploited and under maintained for generations. These privileged white families living in the mountains have no room to talk. But, the local indigenous populations do. Take down the dams. Stop pumping water out of aquifers to give to corporate, for profit, farms.
Developing intense agriculture and intense population in a semi to arid desert location. Well that's not a real Smart idea... Climate change is here and now we're all going to ride the coaster...
I'm sorry for the farmers...😔
Move to Michigan. We are surrounded by 20% of the Earth's surface fresh water. Last week we got 9 inches of rain. You can farm all you want, and your neighbors have your back.
You really got 9 inches of rain in one week in JULY?
traditional farming in historically arid areas is just a ridiculous plan.
The Guardian does an amazing job. Thank you for pieces like this 👏
Life is about balance, not dominance. Growing crops that don't belong in an arid climate, overpopulation, etc. Humanity suffers from the Disease of Prosperity and soon enough there will be a shift. It will be painful and we will be better for it.
Sustainable is a scarcity mindset
Regenerative is an abundance mindset
What nature is telling us is that we need to give back …. Because all we’ve done is take
Absolutely. Arrogance and greed comes with a great co$t.
@@jairousparker2311 It comes disguised on a bun and sold for a dollar
How do you go about regenerating water resources in a drought?
Some have taken a lot more than others.
I've stopped eating salmon for over a year now. The bears are starving.
I just started eating fish because I had to quit eating beef. Great….
Bwahaha
Why we need to cut the population! If we had fewer people, there would be less need for everything - water, salmon, agriculture, space, land, trees, and even forest fires would be less traumatic if it was touching fewer lives.
And yes, I understand a lot of the issues of hunger are logistics and distribution based, not due to production. But imagine if we had to produce less and had more time for everything that isn't work...
US economy requires consumers, buying more & more
Agriculture should be last. Its salmon then indigenous rights.
The Klamath Dam Removal is just one more broken treaty.
An incredibly poignant documentary about the collapse of an ecosystem that until recently was part of the US bread basket.
Fascinating to watch the different emotional responses from the settlers and the indigenous.
Civilisation became possible with the growth and storage of grains at scale, that luxury is going away.
The people have not come to terms with reality! They will soon understand reality of the natural world. Me, you, can not change this. IT is reality. Hope, pray, which, I don't do, Hope that they come to understand the natural world better!
Problem is, it's too late to begin to try understanding the natural world when the rollercoaster damage is already set off like a bomb.
3 Minutes in and I'm thinking: plant some hedge/forestry strips on your fields. You will hold water, partially shade your land, build soil (not dirt?), increase your water budget for the land you do keep cropped up, harvest leaf hay for your browsers, create diversified crops of fruit, nuts, coppice wood etc. . Before your tried that: stop moaning!
This is heartbreaking. Thank you, Guardian, for presenting this information and bringing this dire situation to our attention.
I concur
These water problems have been around more than 50 years. Look at the water levels even 20 years ago.. very low. We are the same as people driving on 1/8 a tank of fuel with no interest what happens when we are out
What's weird, our family has farmed this continent for about 400 years. None of which was ever irrigated. It was all about top soil preservation and water retention. We would get 100 degree days, but dig down 4 inches, the ground was still moist.
What’s the yearly precipitation average you speak of? Farmer in video gets a foot or less. Half of that is snow in the winter. He is completely reliant on irrigation as are all desert and high desert farmers.
@@andyeighttre If you are completely reliant on irrigation, you're farming in the wrong area. Can't just farm anywhere, unless you farm Cacti. What happened is, people got really cheap land in the middle of the desert and then had the brainchild idea of starting a farm. There are reasons our corn is grown in the mid west. Why wheat is grown in Kansas and up here in Washington. The climate is right for it. And we don't get a lot of rain in the summer, but we do get snow. So, a majority of what we do is all about water retention and soil preparation. We have miles of terraces, in order to hold the run-off. We plant based on the contour of the slopes, using a specific type of drill, using a specific type of furrow. Some deep, some not. Big thing is not destroying the stubble, so it could provide a nice blanket of top soil that would retain water in the ground quite nicely. Fact is, food cannot be grown just anywhere. Farms cannot be just anywhere. Can't grow 'Winter Wheat' or 'Spring Wheat' when you don't have normal seasons.
@@jacoblaughbon3323 yep.
In long term, one of the solutions is indoor vertical farm which could recycle 90% of water. The problem is initial huge capital investment of such projects, where the government policies could have a big impact.
“I drink your milkshake.” -California water barons
People persisting with farming monoculture with industrial techniques. Every year this needs more water, more fertiliser, more pesticide. Since switching my farm to permaculture techniques you realise how crazy the monoculture way is.
why don't you farm where there's water....
You complain that the DESERT HAS NO WATER. The problem isn't a lack of water, the problem is building cities and towns where's there's very little water to begin with.
What a waste of natural resources to generate feed hay/grain for animals. We need to completely rethink what farming is for and where it occurs as well as relocate and compensate those who are farming in unsustainable areas. Probably cheaper in the long run than the subsidy!
We need regeneration-farming.... no more tilling.... crop rotation.... re-integration of livestock and crop growing.... we can turn this around!
The worst wars are over water.
(will be)
@@davethompson3326 syria, egypt, somalia, Yemen - already -
This video ended on the complete wrong note unfortunately. I do not believe that the white Klamath basin farmer's feels the same connection to the land that a person who is indigenous to the area feels. Ending on this note seems to suggest that farmers and indigenous people should have equal claims to land and water rights. Its a shame that what is mostly an informative and well done video would end with such a colonialist message.
Build a solar power farm Paul.
I was gonna say plant agave
Unless the feds step in with loans, and right away, the only option is to sell the animals, sell the machinery, and mail the deed for the house to the bank. These folks don't have any money to transition to new crops. They just have to move.
The droughts, the wildfires, so many people are getting hurt, the last two years especially.
@@docwatson1134 Then change the rules. Nationalize the banks. Money and ownership are not laws of nature, they can and should be changed if they do not serve people and life.
The first guy Farmer Jhonn only talks about money and farming 💰🤑
14:52 People that work to keep things the same only ensure an even greater amount of change.
To lightly paraphrase physicist Max Planck, "the truth is, most people don't change their mind. They just die."
It’s bad idea to farm when summer arrives it doesn’t make sense at all give up farming when water is low don’t farm
Fine. Are you then going to do your part and each less when water is low?
Than there’s no food.
We need to start growing our own food.
At the time crops are planted in the spring, the farmer does not know how wet or dry the summer will be so they have to plant early enough to allow time for crops to mature, it takes 200 days for cotton to mature, for instance. The farmers have to invest in seed, fertilizer, and diesel for the tractor so they have an investment in the farming season long before the drought is felt.
The salmon are the most important to save. Once the run is dead, NOBODY can bring it back. EVER!!! Farmers aren't indigenous to the region, they're an invasive species.
Crater Lake used to get massive amounts of snow. It no longer does. Most all of S Oregon's lakes were bone dry in 2021. The only reason Upper Klamath Lake wasn't was due to not letting it be sucked dry by irrigation.
Its a fight you will lose. The only way to slow it down is ban all almond farming, the largest user of water for a crop that is a luxury.