Secret Polynesian Drumming Technique, still can't play it
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- I flew to Tahiti just to figure out what these Polynesian drummers were doing. Came back and still have no clue, please help!
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One does not simply walk into Tahiti and learn the ancient secrete one handed roll technique.
That's why they laughed so hard!
Go to Cook Islands thats where Tangaro was created both our manihiki one hand style and southern two hand style. Orginators of Pate drums and harder to replicate. Alot beats Tahitians use orignate from the cookislands
Cookislands created 3 part harmonies with Tangaro too, watch as they are the originstors
One cookisland drummer = 3 Tahitian drummers by way of tangaro or as they say oro oro
It's a technique we call a whip. We play different parts that sync together to give you the Oro Oro sound. But not everyone plays the "whip" style. It takes a lot of practice to master. But they are correct in teaching you to hit the toere straight on. Gotta learn to walk before you run.
I believe the rudiment is called a “Swiss triplet”.
There’s an additional part you can play that creates a “3 part harmony.”
Man that's so cool that you appreciate our culture and music. The A and B toma that was presented is kind of the basics. I like to compare it to lifting weights. You don't just start bench pressing 350. You start at your weight capacity and slowly get stronger and add weight. With this drumming you start with the A and B at your speed and slowly pick up speed when you can handle it. Just like weights it takes months and years to increase the speed little by little. Tahitian drumming mentality is a bit different then other types of drums where you look for certain hand movements or bounces. Tahitians will tell you that there is no secret. You hit what you hear and that's it. The "whip" isn't something you search for but happens naturally as speed increases. That's why many drummers have different whips or even some have no whip at all. But each clear clean and powerful
Hello! Thought I’d join in on the fun since theres not many people out there that have both Tahitian drumming experience as well as Marching Percussion, done at a high level. Ive done and still do tahitian drumming for just about 30 years now and have been involved with Marching Percussion for the last 20 years in one shape or form.
If you want to know more, how each drum/ each part all work together, different time signatures and polyrhythms being played, im an open book.
Im definitely not calling myself a drum master in no shape or form, but knowledgable in both worlds to make things make sense for us marching percussion guys.
Feel free to check out my group To’erau Manu Rahi here on youtube, got quite a but of content up. If you’re up for an educated conversation about this, i’m here for it!
I'm loving all the feedback, thanks! I'll check out To'-erau Manu Rahi for sure!
When you come to tahiti to learn drums it's not for just a few minutes or ours. It's important to know the different instruments and where they're from ( like those big Pa'u from marquesas islands). Every drumming compositions are named "Pehe", those pehe are composed between a lots of different rythmic base pattern. Each rythmic patterns have a name. It's very important to know them and how to reproduce it on drums.
For toere section, its always a bunch of two or three people. So every base pattern are divided in 3 part, each dude play his part. The " muri" wich can be translated by "behind", the " ropu" as middle , and " mua" as ahead. Each rhythm is syncopated in relation to the next. The ropu is the base pattern and as indicated by his name the muri will be hit after the ropu and mua before the ropu wich will create this effect of infinite roll.
Before doing the oro oro technic it's more important to hit the drum straight first. Oro oro is cool but doing it with others are far more difficult to master 😁.
Come visit us between the period of may and july, you could see a lots of rehearsals of dance groups with drums. Sorry my english is not great but I needed to share my love for my culture 😁 maururu roa from Tahiti! Nana!😁🤙
I know it has no relation to the video but I wanted to say that your videos of techniques and exercises have helped me a lot. You are one of the few (or almost non-existent channels) that helps someone Tenor Drums. Thank you so much:)
Hey, I really appreciate this kind of feedback, thank YOU
Heya!! Just dropping by and showing some love! Get in touch and we can talk more about Tahitian Drumming
When I was looking for a Tahitian drumming class in Oahu, I knew I found my teacher when he did that technique. He gave me pointers on how to practice it. He makes it look so easy! In the meantime, I will keep trying 😅
That's awesome, please share what you learned!
i’m a percussionist and a tahitian drummer. i play the fa’atete mostly (the one you play with two drumsticks) but trying to pick up toere. i can confirm no one really knows how to explain that technique and ive been around this my whole life 😂 it’s more of trial and error and trying to figure out what works best for you. it takes years of practice to master. i’ll let you know if i ever get it 😂
Please do!
Takes years to master the wiggle technique. That’s why they told you to learn the basics first. First learn to bounce dead on straight, but that wiggle technique took me years to get down.
technique looks very push/pull like a one handed rim roll, but when I really watch the clip of the 4 guys playing 0:11 I do see slight stops and starts from different players at different times that you wouldn't see in a one handed roll where it'd be the same technique and visual movement from beginning to end. it's hard to differentiate the split rhythms because of timbre and resonance of the instrument, so a split double beat to create a constant rhythm seems to actually make sense. also seems odd they'd be trying to keep their one hand roll technique a big secret and just tell everyone it's split double beats.
It’s hard to hear because each drummer is playing a different part. They’re playing a style called Oro Oro. Each drummer is offset from each other and it’s sort of like singing Row Row Row your boat where you start a little after the person next to you.
There’s a “front, middle, and back” part that are called Mua, Ropu, and Muri.
That offset makes that sound you’re hearing. Very different from drum line where everyone is playing the same pattern on the same timing.
It looks like their doing a double drum but using alternating heights of the drumstick (one at center and one slightly higher. cadence going top tap, middle tap with a quick forward flick with their wrist to create a quick double drum immediatley after
It looks like a double beat with a scrape type motion? Years ago, a guy from Nigeria, I think did a seminar on African drumming at the Univ of Pittsburgh and blew the drumline’s mind with what he could do with basically one customized branch.
Very cool, I'll have to look up some African drumming next!
I'm from Pittsburgh...20 miles north of city now living in Pompano Beach! Love to To'ere with you, but you can teach me how! Its been too long since I played my 1965 Slingerlads.....miss drumming & almost turned a huge driftwood sitting on beach for 20yrs from Hurricane into a To'ore, but saw its too filled with worm holes & saturated soft wood, but I saved this community landmark yesterday from kids who dragged it into water to play on....cost me $100 to pay ATV Wave runner rental dudes to drag it back for all the romantic lovers to sit on at night. Was out at 2am staking it & screwing it to stakes to stop the brats from stealing my Log!!!!!! & for all to enjoy. I may but an electric cordless chain saw &cut a slit in it to see if it makes a good sound & plane it down to solid wood, or just buy a real To'ore to put there & let people sit on the most expensive beach diftwood seat in the world!!!!! LoL!
brother please make a video for 2024 pulse percussion tenor feature
I'll take a look
Tahitian drumming is quite technical, takes much after the cookislands as they took many of their beats and used it in their own style, best example is their use of Hitoto, is actually a cookisland beat called. mangungu of manihiki when the storm hit the island.
Manihiki an island of cookislands, orginate the one hand technique, and use the takute a high pitched pate, and one holds the beat and others tangaro, or oro as tahitians would say. And that particular style use the tin drum and pau mango. They pe'e in between beats which are chants and calls, pehe in tahiti are the actual beat. In tahiti they call a pehe hitoto but that's actually the pe'e not the name of the beat.
Southern style are the most technical style. Have 3 parts, one holds the main beat, the other goes in between the beat and the last one mixes the beat using a Tangaro technique, we use two hands in this style backed with our tikita player who also unites the entire drum line with a constant flurry of hits.
This system was adopetd by Tahiti in their own way. A litte different but their interpretation of.
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Manihiki one hand style
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This shows how tangaro or oro is shown by one pate
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Southern Style tangaro
Would be nice to see a video of you reviewing this style originators of Drumming in Polynesia
@@tuiakanatoa9506 Awesome, thanks for the breakdown!
"Yeah! Dugadugaduga. That one! That one! How?! How do you do it?!!" 😂
It's a combo of both. They are each playing a different double stroke pattern. But as the tempo increases, it goes from hitting straight into relying more on the bounce of the stick. It's called oro oro.
Shout out to big Bob Kaina. He is one of the best ukulele players in the islands 🤙🏽.
Ahh, you a local? Thanks!
@theTenorDrummer Naw but I've been there before. My ex gf is from Hawaii and she has some family there in Tahiti as well. Beautiful islands. I got to sit down and learn a bit of their style of drumming. Crazy wicked! I still don't know how they drum so fast. Like one of her cousins actually grabbed my hand and tried to make the motion on how to do it and I still couldn't do it lol.
TIL diddle = oro oro :)
Lookin at it closely i think they really are playing just some super maxed out double beat patterns😂
You should try to see if you and a buddy can reproduce the sound together rather than trying to figure out a single hand roll technique
WAS THIS IN VAITAPE? STAYED T THE FOUR SEASONS?
I was on a cruise but yes stopped in Vaitape!
OROORO FOR LIFE!!!
It's just mr krabs walking blast beats 💀
Come to Hawaii to learn it. Cheaper and the drummers here speak English and can show you how to do it lol
Sounds great! Where should I go?
Come to the island of Oahu in Hawaii. It’s basically Honolulu, HI. In fact, I know the drummer in your video. I’m sure he would love to collaborate with you and teach you the technique if you’re interested.
He’s the guy 23 seconds into your video on the left with the pink hat.
He’s the same guy with the yellow shirt and blue hat on the left at 34 seconds.
His name is Kevin Kama. He runs a group called Heiva Nui formerly Ia Ora O Tahiti Nui.
If not him, I know another master drummer. His name is Tyrone Temanaha with another group called Te Vai Ura Nui. Both these guys are great drummers and have the knowledge you’re looking for.
Haha sorry to say it but they be like "appropriate someone else's cultural heritage, whitie" 😂