My tomatoes are invasive in my garden after only a couple years of doing that. Now I don't even need to plant any, there's so many that have come up I'm thinking of putting a box by the road labeled free tomato plants. 😄👍 Landrace gardening book is now on my shopping list.
Saving money is the LEAST of the reasons to save your own seeds! Here are two related books, one showing our main gardening system, and the other inspiring you to create your own landrace varieties. GROCERY ROW GARDENING by David The Good: amzn.to/3IWg95U LANDRACE GARDENING by Joseph Lofthouse: amzn.to/3WSfDf0 For the last few years since we got back to the states we've been growing our own varieties of seeds. Right now we're working on corn, daikons, cucumbers and watermelons. You can do it too! Love you guys. -DTG
It was great interview with Joseph, nice to see and hear you guys discussing landrace gardening. Congrats to your kids for successful projects, watermelons look fabulous. Good luck with your new seed saving projects.
I let 1 kale plant go to seed and I have nearly 100k seeds now. I can't even legally sell it lmao. Started myself a mini land race though. I've definitely had success with acclimated seed but this step further is a fantastic idea.
I thought the chapter in Landrace Gardening about True Potato Seed was especially interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing how things go with your potatoes. A crazy mix of TPS would be a great addition to your daughter's Etsy shop some day.
I have a grey squash that made late last year, pulled 3 before freeze. Ate the 2 smallest, very good, sweet. Bought it as Hopi light grey squash but comparing photos on line not the Hopi. The one I saved 1/2 froze a couple weeks later. I ate all of it that I could & saved 50 - 60 seed. In sprouting tray all damped off but 3. They were weak but made it to the ground finally. I’m looking forward to this fall. Got them in early enough to make (l hope).
I've been saving Cowpeas for a few years to get bigger longer beans. I started with pods that had 6-7 beans max to only saving pods with 12-13 beans. I don't know if it falls under the "landrace" category, but plant eugenics is a real thing. Right now my Seminole Pumpkin (long neck) only has two pumpkins this year as opposed to nine last year. One is gigantic and I think the other one crossed with my other Seminole Pumpkin (small-round). It looks like a yellow squash with a nub. If it gives me seeds I'm gonna try to propagate them to make a straight bodied Seminole Pumpkin. 🤞 Easier storage, easier packaging, and easier cooking
Plus if you're sensitive to glyphosate or some of the US approved "organic" fertilizers and pesticides that are not necessarily natural... growing your own plants for seed is also a good idea to guarantee you aren't contaminating your soil with residues and pollution from unknown growing locations. There's no foreign fungus or bacteria I'm introducing to my garden, either. I don't know if this is a low-risk or even non-concern, but it's a nice added bonus in my mind.
David, I planted taters last year. Nuttin, planted this spring, got a wee little something. But, something strange is happening. I reuse all of my container dirt. Pile it up, throw in some good scrapes and let them cook for a while, then back into the pots and raised beds. I have been finding taters growing all over the place in my yard. They are just coming up in random places. Must have been babies I missed. I see them, and give them a drink. Toss on some leaves and leave them alone. If they want to grow in June..have at it 😁
I am in my 60s and I live in North Alabama. I am still growing a variety of beans my grandfather called "Cherokee Indian Beans." He said they were very common in Lawrence County, Alabama when he was a young boy. They look like Cherokee trail of tears beans, but they are brown, not black. I feel like I am keeping a little history alive.
I was doing this with garden beans long before (by accident) I knew about the value of breeding for a land-race, by simply being lazy and forgetting to collect some beans and I realized that year after year I had volunteers that had come up and could survive my half-of-the-year flooded and half-of-the-year dry Northern Arizona climate and now I have a climber that looks like a tiger eye with the occasional purple showing up and produces like a hybrid, now to do this with my chickens by breeding Sumatra, olde English game and American game into my leghorns and marans'
I have purple Amaranth growing wild like a weed in 4 years time, started with 3 or 4 seedlings that someone gave me, l even thought l lost it last year due to heavy mulching but after moving some mulch within a week or so it popped up like a thick carpet of seedlings, this year l’ve added a brown variety to mix it up..lets see what happens..
After losing a whole flock of barred rock last summer to a mamma hawk I found that some mutt bantams scooted from bush to bush and the hawk doesn't even know they are here. I'm mixing them with the black old English, they are smart as a whip and all the little eggs are tastier. Like a concentrated egg in a little package. 👍
Another thing that's inspiring about Joseph Loft houses book is that it's not just about plants that are adapted to your climate is also about plants that are adapted to your gardening habits. For instance, some gardeners use trellises some gardeners let plants sprawled on the ground. Some gardeners use irrigation , some gardeners depend on rainfall. His book and your work have been very inspirational to me in my garden and journey. Thank you for everything and God bless. I am praying for your family and the loss that you have suffered
Very interesting! I'm a novice gardener. This year I planted spaghetti squash seeds, some from a new package and some that I had saved from one I grew and ate last year. I labeled them, because I assumed the new pack would grow better --- not. My own germinated better and came up much faster! I'm very impressed!
Thanks for sharing! I agree 100% that the Landrace book is a must read 📚 one. It is bringing nature back to what she does best. "Mix, plant, observe, collect, repeat" that's the model!
I'd been landracing sweetcorn and beans and lettuce and whatever else I saved seed from for a couple of decades. After reading Lofthouse's book I felt affirmed that I was doing something good rather than just being sloppy.
It’s that ancestral connection maaan! 😂 but seriously it is! At least for me. It’s what our ancestors did, if they didn’t they didn’t eat. I’m not saying that’s how it should be but look around….
then you spread those seeds out to all your neighbors, and have them add their favorites so that you never get inbreeding in your own landrace. Pretty exciting stuff
I've been saving seeds for decades but only really started paying attention to the results in the last few years. I haven't segraggated varieties in years. This is going to sound gross but, I have a bucket toilet and the aged humanure sprouts hundreds of tomatoes every year. They are the hardiest, most prolific tomatoes I grow.
When I was listening to one of your videos I wasn't sure what you meant by landrace. Now it all makes since. Thank you for all you teach us. Even this young senior gardener.
Saving seeds that cross pollinate and planting them out every year you will eventually get a landrace that you can name after yourself. I'm a little old to start that now but I'm going to do it anyway. My offspring might one day have a Mary tomato or a Mary cucumber etc.
I want to save seeds just so I have the knowledge of being able to do things for myself. I don't have a cow, but I learned to make all types of dairy products. I learned how to can several types of foods, just so I could if I grow extras( or freeze) just so I can if I need too. Every year I find at least two new veggies, herbs and flower to grow just for the knowledge. Don't wait until you need knowledge to learn, learn something new every day!!! God bless and keep growing ( your brain will thank you). Thank you , David for all you teach us!
Oh my goodness, David! I ordered some landrace kale, cucumbers and dry bean seeds from Going To Seed and have planted them. They seem much more vigorous than others. Particularly the kale!
I turned free packs of county seed library,peas ,beans and cowpeas into summer cover crops aplenty. Also I have a pumpkin sitting in my storage grown from your seeds harvested fall of 21. Still chilling
Totally agree 😊 No good having heavy cropping initially if they can't survive and generally do well in your specific area. Been doing the same sort of growing policies as you since I was a kid and encouraged by my parents and siblings, despite it being against the general narrative. Experiment, observe the little idiosyncrasies and results, think for yourself. Thanks for your excellent content and "Hi" to all the family from Australia 😊😊😊 Happy green thumbs up.
This makes great sense, not so common at all!! Thanks! Been saving seeds for awhile, but haven't had enough room for varieties to mix, maybe soon! Increasing my growing areas , but slowly, the rocks and the clay are surely a challenge! But I started my weed water and dried and crushed eggs, bananas, and coffee grounds, supposed to be like a 10-10-10. Thanks, David, prayers of comfort for your family.
Great video! We have had better success growing volunteer landraces coming from the compost than babying some of our annuals in the raised beds. 😅 Learning what to grow in your area is so important!
I have saved seeds from Calendula for years and years. I have now started saving from other plants as well and even from wild plants. I love free stuff :D
I did this(let them tough it out on their own) with my okra and they did GREAT! THEN I sowed the seeds😊 --but the SLUGS are such BIG fans, they just aren't making it 😢... except for 2 little guys that are still hanging in there 💪
I have some pepper seeds I regrow each year. Had some swiss chard from my grandmother. Grew them for years. Did loose that line but started again a few years ago. Also have volunteers of several things that come us each year climatized to my garden.
Met Walter and Verna Zill yesterday @David The Good and I have some of their mangos on my counter ripening. Love this video we will need it for the future when we might not have stores. Gardening the Crazy easy way, lol Or Lazy Way.. lol
Also they know all about seed saving and growing them out and he showed me the technique he uses to propagate the mango he wants again onto another mangos root stock. So cool!
I'm in Cyprus, Europe and I have Jalapeno peppers growing next to numix twighlight chilies. They stay out all year as we are pretty much frost free, but I'm still waiting for them to get it on. The seeds seem to be coming up true at the moment. Do you think some Marvin Gaye might help?
I live in Georgia, east of ATL, and a few years ago I grew several varieties of cherry tomatoes in my railing planters on my side porch. The next year, I had some crazy looking tomatoes come up in the side yard and none were really viable - they were kind of Frankensteinish - and they didn't really taste that good. Last year, only one plant came up, in the middle of the side yard, and it produced a lot of delicious little cherry tomatoes all the way until November. I threw down a lot of the overripe ones, saved some seeds (just in case) and sure enough, I noticed the other day that there are a couple of tomato plants growing in the same spot. Looking forward to seeing what develops and if they're as good as last year.
Hi Diana, I’m also east of the ATL metro. We plant multiples of cherry tomatoes every year (black, red & yellow) and am trying to isolate the winners. Hit me up, we can trade seed pretty easily. Thx, Ken J.
This method will be a game changer. And it makes more sense. It will produce strong plants that's what we all want. Since we always deal with pest and harsh climates.
I love this whole idea - within a few years to have seeds we know grow well here. No more trying to figure out which cucumbers, which tomatoes, which squash, etc - just plant them and know they'll produce well and provide for our family.
When you're trying to harvest your bananas cut the tree in the middle so it bends down to you. That is when you harvest the banana cluster. Never use a latter to harvest. It's is much to dangerous that way!
Oh my gosh this answers my question to what was that HUGE mustard plant looking plant? It was so tall and wide and grew to be a seed beast! It was a volunteer that grew in the same place i planted mustard greens last spring. I searched all over for a mustard plant at the flowering stage that was ginormous like our volunteer but coukd not find it. It's probably crossed with broccoli) brussels/cauliflower and all the other brassicas haha i was sure it was a giant mustard until seed harvest time. The pods were small balls, not bean-like pods 🤔 i wish i could post the picture on here, it was insane.
I like how you had the guy in the background cued up to drive by - revving his engine & switching gears, right after you said "landrace gardening" ... pretty cool.
I wish you the best of luck. Mendelian genetics are a great primer on this topic. Developing a true breeding variety through uncontrolled crosses could take many generations. It takes many generations with controlled crosses.
Hi David, I have a question for you that no one else seems to be able to answer, lol I am under the impression that if you cross two heirloom varieties, you’ll get an F1 hybrid, which will not produce reliable seed. I’m so confused after listening to your video. Can you clarify this issue?😊
Hi JB, broadly speaking there are 2 categories of issue in your question: For some commercially produced hybrids, industrial ag uses cyto plasmic male sterility to create a desired f1 hybrid without needing to engage in hand pollination. This is a problem in a landrace system because those hybrids, if used, will not be providing pollen to the others. If you keep them in your system as future seeds you’re limiting the available gene pool and could potentially end up with all male sterile seeds if you aren’t careful. Lofthouse explains this in his book. Alternatively, for some people the variation in appearance, flavour, colour etc resulting in future generations of an f1 hybrid is undesirable and they want the same thing year on year. Hybrids, even those from 2 heirlooms, won’t give you that consistency with future generations. The payoff with allowing the genes to mix and remix is adaptability and strength from those genes shuffling around. And you can select for your preferred taste etc in future seeds. Hope this helps.
You can see this kind of thing happen even with common weeds. I live in basically a desert and I still see dandelions, lambs quarters, stinging nettle, and a whole bunch of others that have over generations bred and adapted to the dry hot climate! pretty cool.
You should absolutely consider selling all your landrace seeds. It would be a great benefit for people in the Southeastern US, and we’d be willing to pay good money for it. 😅
I used the term landrace and very few knew what i was talking about.Landrace term not only applies to cultivars of plants but to livestock as well. You need to try south anna butternut bred by commonwealth seed,i promise you will love it. I am growing an old variety of watermelon that the seed is hard to get. its red-n-sweet bred at LSU station near you in deep south back in the 80's(its closed now to my understanding). The deeper colors of red flesh affect the flavors too in watermelons. Red-n-sweet has a high sugar content as well.
I harvested a bunch of basil.seed from a store bought plant last year. The whole idea was that I could make basil become like a weed all over the yard. I'm almost there, one more generation and my pestopocalypse plan to take over the yard will finally come to fruition. Next year I may replace the St. Augustine grass with a lawn of basil! I will not entertain any nay sayers! My plan rules!!!
That's amazing. We have let all the basil in our yard go to seed so the flowers can help the bees. I'm trying to collect the seeds so they don't fall everywhere and create a basil yard but your idea smells wonderful. The Nana's from Central Florida growing in buckets
You are spot on. I had heard about landrace but didn't know there was a book. Will have to look for that. The older i get the less I want to coddle plants.
What i don't understand with the watermelons....is that they cross easily so picking a good fruit to save the seeds might not produce a similar watermelon next year. So how did you ensure getting a good one?!
@@TheRainHarvester what kinda logic is that? we breed watermelons to taste good and the plants naturally wanna taste good to spread their seeds. So where would bad taste genes come from? no need to worry about that.
A red malabar spinach in a container was taken out of the lanai during a hurricane prep, laid in a landscape bed, and forgotten. Since then, I have been getting the most vigorous, large leaved vines of malabar spinach on that side of the house. Permaculture gardeners are very jealous of my vines, and I give them away as fast as I can pull them. In spite of my efforts, they come back faster and bigger, two or three times per year....alas! I wish my taste buds would adapt and learn to like those mucillagenous vines. At least they are pretty!
Goats & chickens like Malabar spinach leaves! I'm on year 5 of volunteer Malabar spinach that I confine to a big livestock mineral tub. I add a little compost & mulch each spring & ignore them until I need to either pass some along to someone else or feed the critters. Blessings from NW Florida!
I do eat some of the Malabar spinach in salads or as wraps for tuna or chicken salad sandwiches. I have friends that use it in smoothies. I like the smaller leaves. The folks I bought my original seedlings from warned never to cook it, as it has a very slimy, gelatinous texture when cooked. I might try dehydrating some this year & storing it as a powder to add to soups & crockpot surprise!
Are some traits dominant though? One year I grew Peter Peppers (they're funny peppers that look a man's 🍆). Well, the next year all the pepper seeds I saved looked like Peters. My friend said, "yep, it F'd everything" 🤣
2:02 it’s also about readiness. I’ve been saving seeds from Beans to pumpkins, tomatoes, physalis and lots more. Besides being adapted to the environment, my own seeds will sprout in just a few days, compared to bought seeds which may take 2-3 weeks. physalis will actually seed itself every year. Just have to thin out between my tomato’s. So it’s also about convenience.
I have to start wearing gloves when using my Dave's Fetid Swamp Water. It makes my hands stink for hours after contact, even after multiple handwashes!
Have you ever grown super sioux tomatoes ? They are saposta be good for dryer xlimates, but i dont have rining water this yrs i was hoping these would do good.
Thanks David great video n information definitely getting the books started seed saving 2 years ago So gonna try your methods God bless you n your family n gardens 🙏 ❤ 🇺🇸
Good one! I am doing a lot of seed saving now for the very reasons you stated. I’m going to do what your son did with lettuce. That seems to be a hard thing for me in South Central Texas.
An eye-opening video! Saving seeds Landrace style is such a crucial concept that is simple but little understood. Thanks for introducing this concept to so many people! I just started my own cucumber, field corn, and tobacco breeding projects. I'm excited to see the results over the coming years.
It will ensure you get the peppers you want if you save seeds. The only true to seed peppers I got this year were from the seeds that Pinball Preparedness saved. ONLY WAY TO GUARANTEE WHAT YOUR YIELD WILL BE!!
My tomatoes are invasive in my garden after only a couple years of doing that.
Now I don't even need to plant any, there's so many that have come up I'm thinking of putting a box by the road labeled free tomato plants.
😄👍 Landrace gardening book is now on my shopping list.
Saving money is the LEAST of the reasons to save your own seeds!
Here are two related books, one showing our main gardening system, and the other inspiring you to create your own landrace varieties.
GROCERY ROW GARDENING by David The Good: amzn.to/3IWg95U
LANDRACE GARDENING by Joseph Lofthouse: amzn.to/3WSfDf0
For the last few years since we got back to the states we've been growing our own varieties of seeds. Right now we're working on corn, daikons, cucumbers and watermelons. You can do it too!
Love you guys.
-DTG
Seems we might also avoid roundup-ready seeds by seed-saving, too.???
I love all the garden experimentation you do! Yay science!🎉
It was great interview with Joseph, nice to see and hear you guys discussing landrace gardening. Congrats to your kids for successful projects, watermelons look fabulous. Good luck with your new seed saving projects.
I let 1 kale plant go to seed and I have nearly 100k seeds now. I can't even legally sell it lmao.
Started myself a mini land race though.
I've definitely had success with acclimated seed but this step further is a fantastic idea.
On my third season doing this it really does work it also works for fruit and nut trees.
I thought the chapter in Landrace Gardening about True Potato Seed was especially interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing how things go with your potatoes. A crazy mix of TPS would be a great addition to your daughter's Etsy shop some day.
I have a grey squash that made late last year, pulled 3 before freeze. Ate the 2 smallest, very good, sweet. Bought it as Hopi light grey squash but comparing photos on line not the Hopi. The one I saved 1/2 froze a couple weeks later. I ate all of it that I could & saved 50 - 60 seed. In sprouting tray all damped off but 3. They were weak but made it to the ground finally. I’m looking forward to this fall. Got them in early enough to make (l hope).
I've been saving Cowpeas for a few years to get bigger longer beans. I started with pods that had 6-7 beans max to only saving pods with 12-13 beans. I don't know if it falls under the "landrace" category, but plant eugenics is a real thing.
Right now my Seminole Pumpkin (long neck) only has two pumpkins this year as opposed to nine last year. One is gigantic and I think the other one crossed with my other Seminole Pumpkin (small-round). It looks like a yellow squash with a nub. If it gives me seeds I'm gonna try to propagate them to make a straight bodied Seminole Pumpkin. 🤞 Easier storage, easier packaging, and easier cooking
Plus if you're sensitive to glyphosate or some of the US approved "organic" fertilizers and pesticides that are not necessarily natural... growing your own plants for seed is also a good idea to guarantee you aren't contaminating your soil with residues and pollution from unknown growing locations. There's no foreign fungus or bacteria I'm introducing to my garden, either. I don't know if this is a low-risk or even non-concern, but it's a nice added bonus in my mind.
Looking forward to your seed planting video this fall..
Thanks for sharing!!!
Brilliant!
Gee....what a good idea.
David, I planted taters last year. Nuttin, planted this spring, got a wee little something. But, something strange is happening. I reuse all of my container dirt. Pile it up, throw in some good scrapes and let them cook for a while, then back into the pots and raised beds. I have been finding taters growing all over the place in my yard. They are just coming up in random places. Must have been babies I missed. I see them, and give them a drink. Toss on some leaves and leave them alone. If they want to grow in June..have at it 😁
Maybe they'll set true seed you can plant next year.
Doug and Stacy sent me here
Protip: It's easy to get seeds across international borders if they're disguised as/mixed into trail mix.
Some vegetables that are not as vigorous and need more care might taste better though...
Sure. If you want to take the effort, go for it. We keep some touchy stuff too.
I am in my 60s and I live in North Alabama. I am still growing a variety of beans my grandfather called "Cherokee Indian Beans." He said they were very common in Lawrence County, Alabama when he was a young boy.
They look like Cherokee trail of tears beans, but they are brown, not black. I feel like I am keeping a little history alive.
🙂Yes you are ! Teach your family how to grow them, especially the grandkids !
This is amazing!!
I'd be proud cause that is so cool.
If they are the beans I think they are, they are practically extinct. Kyle from the native habitat project has a video on them.
I live in Jefferson County. I would love to grow this bean variety in my fields if you were kind enough to lend some.
I was doing this with garden beans long before (by accident) I knew about the value of breeding for a land-race, by simply being lazy and forgetting to collect some beans and I realized that year after year I had volunteers that had come up and could survive my half-of-the-year flooded and half-of-the-year dry Northern Arizona climate and now I have a climber that looks like a tiger eye with the occasional purple showing up and produces like a hybrid, now to do this with my chickens by breeding Sumatra, olde English game and American game into my leghorns and marans'
Good luck and let us know how the mixing all works out! The growing and hatching. The Nanas growing out of Central Florida
I have purple Amaranth growing wild like a weed in 4 years time, started with 3 or 4 seedlings that someone gave me, l even thought l lost it last year due to heavy mulching but after moving some mulch within a week or so it popped up like a thick carpet of seedlings, this year l’ve added a brown variety to mix it up..lets see what happens..
After losing a whole flock of barred rock last summer to a mamma hawk I found that some mutt bantams scooted from bush to bush and the hawk doesn't even know they are here. I'm mixing them with the black old English, they are smart as a whip and all the little eggs are tastier. Like a concentrated egg in a little package. 👍
Another thing that's inspiring about Joseph Loft houses book is that it's not just about plants that are adapted to your climate is also about plants that are adapted to your gardening habits. For instance, some gardeners use trellises some gardeners let plants sprawled on the ground. Some gardeners use irrigation , some gardeners depend on rainfall. His book and your work have been very inspirational to me in my garden and journey. Thank you for everything and God bless. I am praying for your family and the loss that you have suffered
Good comment bro!
Very interesting! I'm a novice gardener. This year I planted spaghetti squash seeds, some from a new package and some that I had saved from one I grew and ate last year. I labeled them, because I assumed the new pack would grow better --- not. My own germinated better and came up much faster! I'm very impressed!
That's great! It's so exciting to grow your own.
Thanks for sharing! I agree 100% that the Landrace book is a must read 📚 one. It is bringing nature back to what she does best. "Mix, plant, observe, collect, repeat" that's the model!
I'd been landracing sweetcorn and beans and lettuce and whatever else I saved seed from for a couple of decades. After reading Lofthouse's book I felt affirmed that I was doing something good rather than just being sloppy.
It’s that ancestral connection maaan! 😂 but seriously it is! At least for me. It’s what our ancestors did, if they didn’t they didn’t eat. I’m not saying that’s how it should be but look around….
then you spread those seeds out to all your neighbors, and have them add their favorites so that you never get inbreeding in your own landrace. Pretty exciting stuff
hey david, are you in the discourse group yet for landrace gardening. I know we share your videos there, but it'd be cool to have you join us
I've been saving seeds for decades but only really started paying attention to the results in the last few years. I haven't segraggated varieties in years. This is going to sound gross but, I have a bucket toilet and the aged humanure sprouts hundreds of tomatoes every year. They are the hardiest, most prolific tomatoes I grow.
Awesome Video David! Keep up the amazing work!🤩
When I was listening to one of your videos I wasn't sure what you meant by landrace. Now it all makes since. Thank you for all you teach us. Even this young senior gardener.
Saving seeds that cross pollinate and planting them out every year you will eventually get a landrace that you can name after yourself. I'm a little old to start that now but I'm going to do it anyway. My offspring might one day have a Mary tomato or a Mary cucumber etc.
Amen! I still have a seed addiction but we are buying less and less from the big companies.
Hit the thumbs up ya'll 😊
I want to save seeds just so I have the knowledge of being able to do things for myself. I don't have a cow, but I learned to make all types of dairy products. I learned how to can several types of foods, just so I could if I grow extras( or freeze) just so I can if I need too. Every year I find at least two new veggies, herbs and flower to grow just for the knowledge. Don't wait until you need knowledge to learn, learn something new every day!!! God bless and keep growing ( your brain will thank you). Thank you , David for all you teach us!
Oh my goodness, David! I ordered some landrace kale, cucumbers and dry bean seeds from Going To Seed and have planted them. They seem much more vigorous than others. Particularly the kale!
I feel like Drago in Rocky 4 when i plant my seeds " if it dies, it dies"
I turned free packs of county seed library,peas ,beans and cowpeas into summer cover crops aplenty. Also I have a pumpkin sitting in my storage grown from your seeds harvested fall of 21. Still chilling
Totally agree 😊 No good having heavy cropping initially if they can't survive and generally do well in your specific area. Been doing the same sort of growing policies as you since I was a kid and encouraged by my parents and siblings, despite it being against the general narrative. Experiment, observe the little idiosyncrasies and results, think for yourself. Thanks for your excellent content and "Hi" to all the family from Australia 😊😊😊 Happy green thumbs up.
You too.
This makes great sense, not so common at all!! Thanks! Been saving seeds for awhile, but haven't had enough room for varieties to mix, maybe soon! Increasing my growing areas , but slowly, the rocks and the clay are surely a challenge! But I started my weed water and dried and crushed eggs, bananas, and coffee grounds, supposed to be like a 10-10-10.
Thanks, David, prayers of comfort for your family.
Great video! We have had better success growing volunteer landraces coming from the compost than babying some of our annuals in the raised beds. 😅 Learning what to grow in your area is so important!
I have saved seeds from Calendula for years and years. I have now started saving from other plants as well and even from wild plants. I love free stuff :D
I did this(let them tough it out on their own) with my okra and they did GREAT! THEN I sowed the seeds😊 --but the SLUGS are such BIG fans, they just aren't making it 😢... except for 2 little guys that are still hanging in there 💪
Those are the ones to save seed from! Slug-resistant okra.
Thanks DTG and Rachel! Good information! Looking forward to seeing your harvest. 🌽
I have some pepper seeds I regrow each year. Had some swiss chard from my grandmother. Grew them for years. Did loose that line but started again a few years ago. Also have volunteers of several things that come us each year climatized to my garden.
Growing your food is a long process for reasons like this. We need to invest time in the process to become successful, never give up!
For sure.
I love this! I've been saving seeds because it's fun and saves a little money but now I'm even more excited about it
I just went down the bean rabbit hole with Joeseph and it's good stuff.
Thanks for this, its very logical !!
Appreciate all you do and I enjoy my garden but when I feel down or sluggish I watch your info videos and get motivated to do more 🍓👍😎
Thank you. You all encourage me too.
@@davidthegood I'm glad I found your channel this is top notch information nobody else on you tube compares to the knowledge your handing out
Thanks for the info
Met Walter and Verna Zill yesterday @David The Good and I have some of their mangos on my counter ripening. Love this video we will need it for the future when we might not have stores. Gardening the Crazy easy way, lol Or Lazy Way.. lol
Also they know all about seed saving and growing them out and he showed me the technique he uses to propagate the mango he wants again onto another mangos root stock. So cool!
Dropping knowledge brother great video I learned something
Thank you, Rico.
I'm in Cyprus, Europe and I have Jalapeno peppers growing next to numix twighlight chilies. They stay out all year as we are pretty much frost free, but I'm still waiting for them to get it on. The seeds seem to be coming up true at the moment. Do you think some Marvin Gaye might help?
Can't hurt.
Because David the Cheap just didn’t have a good ring to it
I live in Georgia, east of ATL, and a few years ago I grew several varieties of cherry tomatoes in my railing planters on my side porch. The next year, I had some crazy looking tomatoes come up in the side yard and none were really viable - they were kind of Frankensteinish - and they didn't really taste that good. Last year, only one plant came up, in the middle of the side yard, and it produced a lot of delicious little cherry tomatoes all the way until November. I threw down a lot of the overripe ones, saved some seeds (just in case) and sure enough, I noticed the other day that there are a couple of tomato plants growing in the same spot.
Looking forward to seeing what develops and if they're as good as last year.
Hi Diana, I’m also east of the ATL metro. We plant multiples of cherry tomatoes every year (black, red & yellow) and am trying to isolate the winners. Hit me up, we can trade seed pretty easily.
Thx,
Ken J.
My spinach is going to seed. It's volunteer spinach from last year. Does it have to go totally brown before I save the seeds?
I would let the seeds get dry. I have not saved spinach before, however, as we don't eat it.
This method will be a game changer. And it makes more sense. It will produce strong plants that's what we all want. Since we always deal with pest and harsh climates.
I love this whole idea - within a few years to have seeds we know grow well here. No more trying to figure out which cucumbers, which tomatoes, which squash, etc - just plant them and know they'll produce well and provide for our family.
When you're trying to harvest your bananas cut the tree in the middle so it bends down to you. That is when you harvest the banana cluster. Never use a latter to harvest. It's is much to dangerous that way!
My sister was being a joker. You're right - better to be on the ground.
Oh my gosh this answers my question to what was that HUGE mustard plant looking plant? It was so tall and wide and grew to be a seed beast! It was a volunteer that grew in the same place i planted mustard greens last spring. I searched all over for a mustard plant at the flowering stage that was ginormous like our volunteer but coukd not find it. It's probably crossed with broccoli) brussels/cauliflower and all the other brassicas haha i was sure it was a giant mustard until seed harvest time. The pods were small balls, not bean-like pods 🤔 i wish i could post the picture on here, it was insane.
Love this concept. My garden isn’t that big but I could try planting several varieties and work from there.
I kept seeds from a few tomatoes last year, especially from the ones that still had fruit in November. May or may not inbred, but one can hope.😂
I like the death march for watermelon comment!
I have been wondering about this. I figured plants would adapt. Glad to see that someone has had success.
I like how you had the guy in the background cued up to drive by - revving his engine & switching gears, right after you said "landrace gardening" ... pretty cool.
I wish you the best of luck. Mendelian genetics are a great primer on this topic. Developing a true breeding variety through uncontrolled crosses could take many generations. It takes many generations with controlled crosses.
I do understand that; however, many of our varieties came from wild, uncontrolled, crazy crosses.
Hi David, I have a question for you that no one else seems to be able to answer, lol
I am under the impression that if you cross two heirloom varieties, you’ll get an F1 hybrid, which will not produce reliable seed. I’m so confused after listening to your video. Can you clarify this issue?😊
Hi JB, broadly speaking there are 2 categories of issue in your question:
For some commercially produced hybrids, industrial ag uses cyto plasmic male sterility to create a desired f1 hybrid without needing to engage in hand pollination. This is a problem in a landrace system because those hybrids, if used, will not be providing pollen to the others. If you keep them in your system as future seeds you’re limiting the available gene pool and could potentially end up with all male sterile seeds if you aren’t careful. Lofthouse explains this in his book.
Alternatively, for some people the variation in appearance, flavour, colour etc resulting in future generations of an f1 hybrid is undesirable and they want the same thing year on year. Hybrids, even those from 2 heirlooms, won’t give you that consistency with future generations. The payoff with allowing the genes to mix and remix is adaptability and strength from those genes shuffling around. And you can select for your preferred taste etc in future seeds.
Hope this helps.
@@handsonclay4022 thanks for the information! So you’re saying it’s OK to cross pollinate heirloom varieties?
Yes, for sure. Heirloom crosses do not have the sterility issue that sometimes crops up in commercial hybrids.
You can see this kind of thing happen even with common weeds. I live in basically a desert and I still see dandelions, lambs quarters, stinging nettle, and a whole bunch of others that have over generations bred and adapted to the dry hot climate! pretty cool.
My family saves seeds and we need plants that can survive high wind and drought. That's part of the advantage.
I've been a seed saver for years. David is right, you get the best seeds for your personal conditions by saving seeds.
You should absolutely consider selling all your landrace seeds. It would be a great benefit for people in the Southeastern US, and we’d be willing to pay good money for it. 😅
I used the term landrace and very few knew what i was talking about.Landrace term not only applies to cultivars of plants but to livestock as well. You need to try south anna butternut bred by commonwealth seed,i promise you will love it. I am growing an old variety of watermelon that the seed is hard to get. its red-n-sweet bred at LSU station near you in deep south back in the 80's(its closed now to my understanding). The deeper colors of red flesh affect the flavors too in watermelons. Red-n-sweet has a high sugar content as well.
01:39 when it comes to seed saving for thrift reasons, you also have to factor the costs/savings of what growing means you're not buying
Love from Texas brother.
Ditto
Thank you Ivan, and Ryan.
@@davidthegood thank you for continually putting out valuable growing wisdom. You're definitely helping save lives.
Ibhave been saving seeds from the black vernisse now for 3 yrs, theu waa grown open by other toms, seem to be staying true.
Loved Landrace and love Florida survival guide. Thanks David! I also really appreciate the Gospel at the end🥳
I have an alternative term for my laziness. I call it habitual patience. If patience is a virtue, I'm a saint.
I harvested a bunch of basil.seed from a store bought plant last year. The whole idea was that I could make basil become like a weed all over the yard. I'm almost there, one more generation and my pestopocalypse plan to take over the yard will finally come to fruition.
Next year I may replace the St. Augustine grass with a lawn of basil!
I will not entertain any nay sayers! My plan rules!!!
That would be amazing.
@@davidthegood everytime I mow, the old Italian guy across the street is gonna wonder why his teeth are grinding!!!
That's amazing. We have let all the basil in our yard go to seed so the flowers can help the bees. I'm trying to collect the seeds so they don't fall everywhere and create a basil yard but your idea smells wonderful. The Nana's from Central Florida growing in buckets
Update April 2024:
It didn't really work. St. Augustine is tougher than basil.
I haven't given up!
You are spot on. I had heard about landrace but didn't know there was a book. Will have to look for that. The older i get the less I want to coddle plants.
It is absolutely worth reading.
What i don't understand with the watermelons....is that they cross easily so picking a good fruit to save the seeds might not produce a similar watermelon next year. So how did you ensure getting a good one?!
They do cross easily, so the first few years we breed for survival. The ones that make fruit we save seed from. We can do more selection later.
@@davidthegood but i mean after the three years. The 4th year seed could cross with something bad and become a dud? Is that correct?
@@TheRainHarvester what kinda logic is that? we breed watermelons to taste good and the plants naturally wanna taste good to spread their seeds. So where would bad taste genes come from? no need to worry about that.
Thank you for validating my instincts!!!! 🤩
A red malabar spinach in a container was taken out of the lanai during a hurricane prep, laid in a landscape bed, and forgotten. Since then, I have been getting the most vigorous, large leaved vines of malabar spinach on that side of the house. Permaculture gardeners are very jealous of my vines, and I give them away as fast as I can pull them. In spite of my efforts, they come back faster and bigger, two or three times per year....alas! I wish my taste buds would adapt and learn to like those mucillagenous vines. At least they are pretty!
Goats & chickens like Malabar spinach leaves! I'm on year 5 of volunteer Malabar spinach that I confine to a big livestock mineral tub. I add a little compost & mulch each spring & ignore them until I need to either pass some along to someone else or feed the critters. Blessings from NW Florida!
@@brendanelson1027 Wish I could have goats or chickens....wonder why the bunnies and deer leave mine alone. lol
I do eat some of the Malabar spinach in salads or as wraps for tuna or chicken salad sandwiches. I have friends that use it in smoothies. I like the smaller leaves. The folks I bought my original seedlings from warned never to cook it, as it has a very slimy, gelatinous texture when cooked. I might try dehydrating some this year & storing it as a powder to add to soups & crockpot surprise!
Malabar spinach is high in oxalates - they may not like them.
@@davidthegood TY, DTG. Maybe I will leave an acorn trail to my Malabar vines and hope the wild pigs are not as discriminating.
Are some traits dominant though? One year I grew Peter Peppers (they're funny peppers that look a man's 🍆). Well, the next year all the pepper seeds I saved looked like Peters. My friend said, "yep, it F'd everything" 🤣
Yes, some traits are definitely dominant.
2:02 it’s also about readiness. I’ve been saving seeds from Beans to pumpkins, tomatoes, physalis and lots more. Besides being adapted to the environment, my own seeds will sprout in just a few days, compared to bought seeds which may take 2-3 weeks.
physalis will actually seed itself every year. Just have to thin out between my tomato’s. So it’s also about convenience.
I have to start wearing gloves when using my Dave's Fetid Swamp Water. It makes my hands stink for hours after contact, even after multiple handwashes!
It's very persistent.
Welcome back mr the good.
Thanks, John.
GoodThink!
1984 gardening
Have you ever grown super sioux tomatoes ?
They are saposta be good for dryer xlimates, but i dont have rining water this yrs i was hoping these would do good.
I have not tried them. We get tons of water here, though.
Love the land race book. Started my radish land race this year.
I love the idea of making your own varieties of plants. I want my seeds to be mutts, just like me. Survival of the fittest
Very good advice 😊 Thanks for the video.
Thanks David great video n information definitely getting the books started seed saving 2 years ago So gonna try your methods God bless you n your family n gardens 🙏 ❤ 🇺🇸
Good one! I am doing a lot of seed saving now for the very reasons you stated. I’m going to do what your son did with lettuce. That seems to be a hard thing for me in South Central Texas.
A video with man’s hand in mind for a change, good job!
I have a ton of radish seeds and have been waiting! Perfect timing!
Keep dropping those pearls of wisdom, DTG!
So cool to do that. Thank you dude.
Would growing outside of season and collecting seeds eventually produce viable plants? Florida summer lettuce sounds good.
It is possible, though even the wild lettuces usually are only growing in early spring. They're all seeding out right now.
An eye-opening video! Saving seeds Landrace style is such a crucial concept that is simple but little understood. Thanks for introducing this concept to so many people! I just started my own cucumber, field corn, and tobacco breeding projects. I'm excited to see the results over the coming years.
It will ensure you get the peppers you want if you save seeds. The only true to seed peppers I got this year were from the seeds that Pinball Preparedness saved.
ONLY WAY TO GUARANTEE WHAT YOUR YIELD WILL BE!!
Another great video!!