Thank you for the real world economy numbers. Glad you drove the car naturally instead of trying to max efficiency. I consider what you achieved to be extremely good.
Loved watching this test and glad we got a chance to talk about our experiences with it. Figuring out when to use the EV mode versus the hybrid mode. Kind of became a game. It’s nice being able to cruise around in pure electric mode so much of the time without ever having to worry about being tied to a charging network. Such a good car, hope dealer markups go away.
The fatter the tire, the more wind and rolling resistance it has. It does make a difference. Look underneath they cover as much as they can with flat panels to cut down air turbulence.
Not only is the higher price hard to swallow for the Prime, but the non-plug-in Prius also is more fuel efficient with an EPA rating of 57MPG combined. If you have a medium-short commute that can be completely covered by the Prime's EV range you can make up the difference in just a few years however, so it's worth looking at your situation to determine which one is more appropriate for you.
Check all manufacturers of car models that can be purchased in gas engine only, hybrid or plug in hybrid. Guess which is the cheapest to drive? Almost always it the plain hybrid.
@@horsepowerandtalk1033 My PHEV has a 16 mile battery. I drive 43 miles/day 3-4 days/wk. I rarely charge the battery because it's cheaper to use gasoline and I get about 43mpg.
@@artsmith103 You should charge anyway. The dollars-per-mile performance of a PHEV while in EV mode is MUCH better than even the best hybrid. My advice was about how to consider which vehicle to purchase but now that you have the PHEV, you owe to yourself and future generations to make the very most of the vehicle's capacity to reduce your costs, and to reduce your emissions.
@@leifhietala8074 It's cheaper to run on gasoline. If gasoline gets much more expensive in the future, I'll start using the battery and it will be good it wasn't wasted during cheaper gasoline.
I personally just got the standard Prius about 3 weeks ago and I will say that fuel economy can be, rather sporadic. The drive back from the deal, mostly highway with some bumper to bumper got 62.3mpg and a drive for my father to an eye injection got 67.9mpg. But I also have drives to work as slow as 39.4mpg. It seems to be all about if the battery was charged up or if it was too cold to run in EV mode. I will say I leave the car primarily in Eco mode as the last car I owned was a worn out 97 Camry. A car with half the horse power and over twice as long 0-60. Eco mode is still a huge performance bump above that thing.
Converting to cents per mile vs mpg would give the reader a better way to gauge savings. For example 50 mpg at $5 a gallon is 10 cents a mile. Most home solar installations in the west where it is sunny average 6 cents per kwhr fully amortized over the minimum life span of 25 years. Most cars on electric power average 3 miles per kwhr. That means when charging at home during the day on solar, the cost per mile is only 6 divided by 3 or 2 cents per mile. People who have solar, charge their electric vehicles during the day and have 300 to 350 miles range and never use a public charging station except for long trips will enjoy these savings while never using a drop of gas or getting their electric power from a fossil fueled plant. That is the beauty of going electric. However the cost of the solar after taxes will run about $13k for a 17 panel system, and the cost of an EV $45k to $80k. Driving an EV at 2 cents per mile vs a hybrid at 10 cents per mile, savings would be $8k over 100,000 miles. Driving a gas guzzler giant SUV at 15 mpg at $5 gas would be 33 cents per mile. Scary isn't it.
Great review! Thanks for covering some of the special features and also for the overall cost breakdown. I've got one on order with expected delivery late June to mid-July.
You were mostly describing a Chevy Volt from 2011. With my Volt I was getting 42 miles of EV range and 42 mpg in range exteded mode (engine running) and lifetime average of 184 mpg when I sold it for my I-Pace. 6-8 mpg improvement with the Prius after 12 years is not much to brag about.
@@normt430 the I-Pace has been a really fantastic car. My wife just got a Mustang Mach-E GT Performance and she loves it. We decided to go full EV and and don't regret it one bit.
I can get to work and back and do some shopping in 38 electric miles meaning I wouldn't be using gas. in fact, that means under normal circumstances, I'll only be using 1 tank of gas every 6 months (because I read that it forces you to use the gas within 6 months to prevent it from becoming stale). the average round trip commute is 38-41 miles in the US depending on the source. the average distance a year for commuting is about 10K miles. the average overall driving a year is 14k miles. if an entire year's worth of driving is 4000 paid miles versus 14000 paid miles in a regular prius, that's still a good savings even if the car gets 50 mpg. 10k miles / 50 mpg = 200 gallons/year. that's over $800/year you're saving (using $4/gallon of 87; even more savings if the gas is more than $4). but cost isn't the only reason. you can imagine long stretches of time between filling a tank. Rather than visit a station every week, maybe you visit once every 6 months.
i see many EV fans blast Toyota for not going gaga for BEVs but i respect Toyota for being the one of the few matured, pragmatic and courageous automakers that understand the market and people! In fact i hope to see larger Toyota vehicles like the Hiace and Coaster for example going hybrid and get excellent MPG haha
Personally I think BEVs can be a great choice for a city vehicle, however, the charging infrastructure in North America is pretty much a disaster right now which makes them not a great choice for road trips.
Wait until the Robber barons get ahold of most of the electric infrastructure and monopolize the electric grids so they can jack up the per kWh rates and then electric will no longer be cheaper than gasoline. If we're lucky it will be on par but I won't put it past these oligarchs to take everyone across the coals once their plans come to fruition
@@toddbenfield6546 nice and for us we have been waiting since march for the prius xle awd and we are trying to find a good fuel or electric efficient miles and a long lasting car
The design is basically the discontinued chevy volt gen 2. Looks great. The only thing it needs is the availability to fully charge in 2 hours and it would be (chef kiss).
Such a short EV range isn't worth equipping that option plus it's bad for the battery. The market is overnight chargers with typical commutes. Any amount of gasoline is meaningless.
That's the relationship between speed and power requirements: to double your speed, power goes up exponentially. That's why a Veyron with 12x your Echo's power can still only go 3x as fast. Slowing down just a bit moves your power requirements into the engine's butter zone where it's producing at its most efficient while still moving you at decent speed.
I think location has a lot to do with the MPG. My 2021 Corolla hybrid is supposed to average 52 and we average 58.3. been very happy with it and wouldn't mind getting another when it's time. I'd be curious to see what I would get with this Prius
Great review. I used to live in California; Los Angeles, Oxnard, and San Diego, so it was interesting to see you driving through SB and L.A., especially when you drove by the Galleria.
I own a Honda Clarity... Basically this same car but 4 years older. And its great. In real world use I average 160 mpg. I once went 2 weeks without using any fuel. 199.99 is high as the meter goes. So long as driving in town, its zero gas. Its only when I make a trip to the BIG city for fun or shopping, that I ever use gas. And that's a 90 mile round trip. Strictly on gas, it will do 50 mpg. The self driving features are pretty good. Although the automatic speed control is WAY to sensitive. It slows down WAY behind a car (Even on the closest setting) But as long as drive with that in mind, its not bad.
@@yulog Wyoming and high country Colorado. Should be done away with. They have it in the summer to prevent preignition at high altitudes. Modern cars don't need it.
@@yulog Giving you too much information. Here in Iowa the land of king corn. You have to hunt for pure gasoline. 10% gasohol goes from 87 to 89 octane. E88 is 15% gasohol with 88 octane. E85 has to be used in a flex fuel vehicle and is 85% corn alcohol 100 octane and gets 70% MPG as normal gas. This makes my head hurt.
@ 4:15 I turned the volume up and heard the engine rev but no electric whine that you say. So it leads me to think that whine that some complain about is very low, very distinctive. So to me I doudt that it's a concern.
It's very faint and I don't think my mic picked it up. You might hear it slightly more at part throttle, but if you had the music on you wouldn't hear it. Either way, I think it's cool sounding and not a negative.
Thank Eric for the real world test, the wife is looking at the Prius Prime as her next car. Having own a 1st Gen FRS your comment on the Prime being faster to 60mph hit me below the belt. Thank you amigo.
Would be useful to know how using the heat or air-conditioning affects mileage and electrical consumption. Also, one feature lacking on the 2023 Prius Prime is a rear-window windshield wiper. Toyota apparently feels that the rake of the back window would clear off the rear window, but in snow how effective would that be? Also how good is the rear window heating?
Actually, due to the flatness of the rear glass, you need to clean the glass more as opposed to the vertical glass where the rain water would just run off quickly.
These things are impossible to find. I'm kind of considering buying one as I drive a ton for work. I had a 2021 rav4 xse (so, hybrid) and got 42+ mpg all day every day with no change to my spirited driving. I sold that for a couple different reasons, the biggest being that after 1 year and 13k miles I had the opportunity to sell it for $5k more than I paid for it. I then got a 2023 santa fe. I then got this new job with a lot more traveling, really love the santa fe and most likely not getting rid of it..but 20mpg and a lot of miles I'm putting on it. I'm wanting to get a hybrid for a work vehicle. I was going to get an elantra hybrid, like everything about it except I hit the door latch with my arm every time I get out (I put 1500 miles on one over a 3 day period just to see if it would work for me). I averaged 50mpg in it, again..with no change to my driving style. I put 450 miles on a maverick hybrid and averaged 35mpg which would be enough for me to pick one up, but I can't find any of course - and I'm not paying over msrp for one. So, I'm wanting to try out one of these new prius next.. but, yeah. Where to find one? lol
My 2013 Prius Plug-in (gen. 3) has been a peach. It’s been to Canada, Colorado and Oregon from the Bay Area. About 1/2 my driving (including those trips(12k of the 55k total miles)) has been on the ~11 mile battery. Only charge on 110v in the garage at home. Watched this to see what I would get by trading up. Not much, it seems - adaptive cruise, whoopee. No sale.
if I drive the prius prime with battery always flat... using it as a full hybrid and not as a plug in hybrid... how much does it consume? curiosity because only the plug-in version will arrive in Italy and not the full hybrid version ... thanks
This is not the real usage. We mostly go 20-30 miles on a weekday, and that can be done purely electric. The car will only go on longer journeys with petrol on weekends.
That’s exactly what i did in the video. I drove 127 miles on electricity alone over 3 separate charges. On the third charge I did the road trip. Maybe I could have spent more time explaining that.
Fast forward to 12:40 for the efficiency report. Real-world 50 mpg. That is as good as gas cars are going to get. If the prime + was 30 k and I could fit in it......,,,well......... I still would not by one. I would at least think about it. The Chevy bolt is 27k before tax credits.
Love that you drove it any other car, hyper milers are just a fraction of real world Prius drivers. I'm personally waiting for something with more power and range. I live in very mountainous area and want extra HP for the crazy elevation in my area. Hoping the GR version checks that box, if not, will wait for the 2025 Prius model.
When trying to estimate Hybrid mode gasoline range from the Prius Prime 11 gallon tank on a road trip, the car is extremely sensitive to several factors, the biggest being: 1. Speed. 2. How flat or hilly is the route you are driving. 3. Wind conditions. 4. Weight of passengers/cargo. In my 2019 Prius Prime, the worst fuel economy I ever get is 42 mpg: this is driving 70 mph, car heavily loaded to nearly maximum GVWR, with a Thule cargo pod on the roof crossbars. The best fuel economy I've ever seen in "normal" conditions, is about 65 mpg. This is with the car lightly loaded, no cargo pod on roof, no tailwind or headwind, flat terrain, driving 55 mph. Around town, on city streets at 25~35mph, the car is capable of 75 mpg if you use the regen braking capability at maximum efficiency. The heat pump draws between 1.5 to 2.5 kilowatts, so running the heat or a/c can cut into the car's energy efficiency by as much as 30% at slow speed on city streets, or 15% at freeway speed. In the 35,000 miles I've owned the car, it's averaged about 55 mpg in Hybrid mode. I don't often drive faster than 55 mph, so my numbers may be "high" - most people can't stand to drive as slow as I do, and the average on the freeways where I live is close to 75 mph. So your mileage is likely going to be less. But the Prius Prime is a phenomenal car if you can adapt your driving habits to squeeze the most efficiency out of the powertrain.
The coffin on the roof is killing your mpg more than all those other factors even though they do matter. My 21 prime with all the right conditions with 2 people, no head wind 60 to 75 Fahrenheit a thoroughly warmed up engine running up to Boston at 72 to 74 mph on many occasions get 60 to 65 mpg other times mid 50s.
@@horsepowerandtalk1033 - If my car was a "regular" Prius, instead of a Prime, I probably wouldn't have needed to buy a cargo pod. But as you know, the Prius Prime's traction battery is situated under the rear cargo deck, and this cuts into the available cargo storage volume. The battery is about 12" deep, and the Prime has a more shallow slope to the hatchback than does the regular Prius, which further reduces the available cargo volume. But even with the cargo pod, the car gets 52 mpg on the flat at 55 mph, compared to only 16 mpg in my other vehicle, a '98 Dodge Cummins pickup truck, so I don't mind the small hit on fuel consumption that cargo pod causes. I've been hoping and waiting for years that Toyota would make a PHEV version of the Sienna, but that's looking less and less likely now that they can't even keep up with demand for Prius Primes and Rav4 Primes because of the chip shortage.
I've been watching youtube for over a decade and you're one of the best car reviewers i've ever watched. Subbed. Very relatable and not just reading off a stupid sticker window or driving 22mph for ultra max rare efficiency
@@jml9550 The wait is 6-8 months. It’s fine with me since I’ll rather get the 2024 model year. (4 days ago, I placed a preorder Prius LE and Prius Prime SE with Longo Toyota. Whichever arrives first, I’ll take it.) I currently drive the 2023 Nissan Ariya. This EV is so AWESOME! It’s so BUTTER SMOOTH AND DEAFENING QUIET INSIDE! Drives way better than any Lexus (no joke)!
They plan to sell about 15K of the Prime in 2023 iirc. Not a high volume vehicle like the Tesla. They plan to sell around 36K of the non plug-in version this year as well.
Thank you for driving it like it should be. As someone who is a car guy, my only fear should be of CHP when speeding, not of fuel economy. I never drive for fuel economy.
What I wanna see is a 5 hour Amazon Flex block test! Then a nice 300 - 350 mile trip and see if the car can handle a 5 hour flex block 45-48 stops and a trip 300 - 350 miles on 1 full tank of gas!
Nobody has tested the charge mode on this prime. When your battery is empty put it on charge mode to charge the battery back up to 80 % while driving. then use battery only again. And repeat to get the actual MPG will you be testing this feature on it.
Good idea, but the car is back with Toyota. Most people will charge at home because it's going to be less expensive than using the gas engine to charge the battery.
I would like to have one, but here in Southern California, the dealers are in gouging mode. I will not pay the mark up, which goes as high as $4000. Also there seems to be like no availability at this time. There are so few available, I have not seen one in the show room or on the road. So not now Toyota. I can wait another year
Thanks. Between federal and Connecticut incentives, the base Model 3 from Tesla in $34,240. The only major benefit of the Prius that I see is absence of range anxiety.
Interesting. In CA that's $36 for a Model 3, vs $28 for a base Prius. Would probably save the cash and buy a base Jetta MT. It would take 200k just to break even.
in ohio your registration cost for prime is 200$ a year the same as all electric . Any hybrid in ohio is100$ registration. State rep agreed with me that a plug in/hybrid should be somewhere in the middle like 150$ but not worth the litigation to change. I m retired so I have the time to hyper mile....i am able to achieve40 - 45 miles all electric in city on my 2020 prime. I enjoy stabilizing the flow of traffic with my speed management techniques. Toyota #1
I can see these cars getting a lot of high pressure injector issues unless they are given regular Italian Tune-ups. The direct injectors aren't used except at higher RPMs and Priuses are typically not driven hard for better efficiency. This is not the old 1.8 with port injection only so to ensure good engine health, regularly give the car WOT so the direct injectors can clean themselves of carbon deposits. Just make sure your engine is properly warmed up before doing so. Also be careful on those skinny tires. This ain't a sports car. Lol
If the Prime version holds more value than the regular version which costs 3-5k less money, then it makes no sense to calculate long term gas savings against the _initial_ price difference, because that price difference holds long term, and you'll recoup a significant chunk of it when you sell the car for more money than a standard Prius.
I drive a 2020 Prius, I get 52 miles per gallon. I can get even better with more city driving. I live in a hilly, windy place - not ideal for prius at all. When I drive in flatter areas without crazy wind, I get 55-60mpg no problem. With your electric you are only at 61.6mpg. Without electric, 50.8 mpg. Basically this thing will save you a tiny bit of money, depending how small your driving habits are. Doesn't seem worth it for the extra price and fact that you have a bigger battery to fail/replace.
The cat is in the normal place. I'd suggest some kind of aftermarket cage if it's a concern. And yes, Toyota is aware of the issue, but they stated that they locked in the design around 2018 before the thefts became rampant.
And that's before taxes and fees. We are pretty lucky in North America price wise. Canada is more expensive than the US, but not like the continent or the UK.
i had this car on loan for a week my best advice to anyone who thinking about buying one of these new prius is save your money for the price its crap and you will definatly regret spending all that money on this car the interior is very cheaply made its noisey and it just feels cheap ...........buy a carolla instead if your after a hybrid
I wish electric cars could still have steam gauges. I like the idea of driving a electric car but prefer normal instrument panel. Not a display but real ones with fine increments kinda like we had back in the 80s.
can you get this without dealer markup? this good competition to Tesla model 3 but then spending more to the EV just gets rid plenty of maintenance tasks and costs.
The electricity charge in Ontario is around $0.07 per kWh but there are other charges that will increase the cost i.e. delivery charge is $0.19 per kWh, regulatory charges, and then 13% for the taxes. It adds up to over $0.32 per kWh. Paying for electricity is not that much cheaper than paying for gas. Do the calculations, they are on par.
@@revmatchtv I live in Toronto. Depending on the consumption, Toronto Hydro charges $0.18 to $0.24 per kWh. We also have the HST of 13% which for gas, it's already included in the gas price. From my calculations, gas and electricity is almost at par.
@@SwordFishRiver I grew up in Toronto :) You got me curious, and I'm looking at the Hydro rates. I see and Ultra Low Overnight rate of $0.024/KWh they introduced May 1. Of course add HST etc. You can probably enroll in different plans. Here in Los Angeles I pay about $0.21 any time of the day.
@@revmatchtv Toronto Hydro bill has the breakdown of the charges. The highest amount is the delivery charge and it’s not linear. The higher the consumption, the lower the rate which was a surprise to me.
One good car is the Mitsubishi Mirage. If drove nicely, they can get 45 MPG. But if drove hard, you're looking at mid 30's. And they start at around $15,000-16,000.
Only 87 miles and my Prius is throwing a computer error. Returned it 3 times with no solution. "Plugin in Charge error" they said they will fix it through software..someday
Toyota finance wants 9.5% to finance with excellent credit Lmao. They must be dreaming.
YIKES
It varies widely. I've been offered anywhere from 0 to 15000 dollar markups. Absolutely insane.
Thats everywhere right now unfortunately
They must be out of their got damn minds.
Pay in cash, why do want to finance?
Thank you for the real world economy numbers. Glad you drove the car naturally instead of trying to max efficiency. I consider what you achieved to be extremely good.
I think they are quite good too. I'm a performance car guy and I'm going to drive accordingly.
Loved watching this test and glad we got a chance to talk about our experiences with it. Figuring out when to use the EV mode versus the hybrid mode. Kind of became a game. It’s nice being able to cruise around in pure electric mode so much of the time without ever having to worry about being tied to a charging network. Such a good car, hope dealer markups go away.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
For MPG, I think I would want the base model with the 17" wheels. Makes a difference.
And 17" are easier and cheaper to shod with rubber
The fatter the tire, the more wind and rolling resistance it has. It does make a difference. Look underneath they cover as much as they can with flat panels to cut down air turbulence.
Naaaa give me the beefy 19” inchers
It seems like a really good car... Plus it isn't ugly now... This will sell like crazy.
They plan on selling about 15k of these in for MY 2023-2024.
@@revmatchtv The Prius in general though is gonna be nutty popular.
@@802Garage Toyota plans to sell 36k Priuses in 2023. I wonder if they can keep up with demand. I've only seen a couple on the road.
@@revmatchtv is that globally or only in the US? I hope that dealers won't be selling them above MSRP
@@Yoav76 US numbers
Love the Prius coverage! See you soon I'm sure😅
Thanks Kirk! No doubt I’ll see you soon 🤣
Not only is the higher price hard to swallow for the Prime, but the non-plug-in Prius also is more fuel efficient with an EPA rating of 57MPG combined. If you have a medium-short commute that can be completely covered by the Prime's EV range you can make up the difference in just a few years however, so it's worth looking at your situation to determine which one is more appropriate for you.
Gas below $4/gal is typically cheaper for HEV when you include battery lifecycle costs. Good advice.
Check all manufacturers of car models that can be purchased in gas engine only, hybrid or plug in hybrid. Guess which is the cheapest to drive? Almost always it the plain hybrid.
@@horsepowerandtalk1033 My PHEV has a 16 mile battery. I drive 43 miles/day 3-4 days/wk. I rarely charge the battery because it's cheaper to use gasoline and I get about 43mpg.
@@artsmith103 You should charge anyway. The dollars-per-mile performance of a PHEV while in EV mode is MUCH better than even the best hybrid. My advice was about how to consider which vehicle to purchase but now that you have the PHEV, you owe to yourself and future generations to make the very most of the vehicle's capacity to reduce your costs, and to reduce your emissions.
@@leifhietala8074 It's cheaper to run on gasoline. If gasoline gets much more expensive in the future, I'll start using the battery and it will be good it wasn't wasted during cheaper gasoline.
I personally just got the standard Prius about 3 weeks ago and I will say that fuel economy can be, rather sporadic. The drive back from the deal, mostly highway with some bumper to bumper got 62.3mpg and a drive for my father to an eye injection got 67.9mpg. But I also have drives to work as slow as 39.4mpg. It seems to be all about if the battery was charged up or if it was too cold to run in EV mode.
I will say I leave the car primarily in Eco mode as the last car I owned was a worn out 97 Camry. A car with half the horse power and over twice as long 0-60. Eco mode is still a huge performance bump above that thing.
Converting to cents per mile vs mpg would give the reader a better way to gauge savings. For example 50 mpg at $5 a gallon is 10 cents a mile. Most home solar installations in the west where it is sunny average 6 cents per kwhr fully amortized over the minimum life span of 25 years. Most cars on electric power average 3 miles per kwhr. That means when charging at home during the day on solar, the cost per mile is only 6 divided by 3 or 2 cents per mile. People who have solar, charge their electric vehicles during the day and have 300 to 350 miles range and never use a public charging station except for long trips will enjoy these savings while never using a drop of gas or getting their electric power from a fossil fueled plant. That is the beauty of going electric. However the cost of the solar after taxes will run about $13k for a 17 panel system, and the cost of an EV $45k to $80k. Driving an EV at 2 cents per mile vs a hybrid at 10 cents per mile, savings would be $8k over 100,000 miles. Driving a gas guzzler giant SUV at 15 mpg at $5 gas would be 33 cents per mile. Scary isn't it.
Great review! Thanks for covering some of the special features and also for the overall cost breakdown. I've got one on order with expected delivery late June to mid-July.
In Canada you get $5000 green rebate that makes Prime a no brainer over pure hybrid version
Best/ honest review I’ve seen thank you!!
I bought mine from Kenosha Toyota. NO markups. Rates 5.8% for 72 months.
DON'T GIVE UP.
Fantastic
Which toyota prius prime or ?
@@rajendramodusu5980 XLE AWD, non prime.
@@ssakhi10 6% interest
On asset which depreciates value day by day
I d k ur situation this is not investment in this battered economy
@@rajendramodusu5980 what are your options? Current savings accounts are now paying 3-4%, so net 2%. I can live with that.
You were mostly describing a Chevy Volt from 2011. With my Volt I was getting 42 miles of EV range and 42 mpg in range exteded mode (engine running) and lifetime average of 184 mpg when I sold it for my I-Pace. 6-8 mpg improvement with the Prius after 12 years is not much to brag about.
@@normt430 the I-Pace has been a really fantastic car. My wife just got a Mustang Mach-E GT Performance and she loves it. We decided to go full EV and and don't regret it one bit.
I can get to work and back and do some shopping in 38 electric miles meaning I wouldn't be using gas. in fact, that means under normal circumstances, I'll only be using 1 tank of gas every 6 months (because I read that it forces you to use the gas within 6 months to prevent it from becoming stale). the average round trip commute is 38-41 miles in the US depending on the source. the average distance a year for commuting is about 10K miles. the average overall driving a year is 14k miles. if an entire year's worth of driving is 4000 paid miles versus 14000 paid miles in a regular prius, that's still a good savings even if the car gets 50 mpg. 10k miles / 50 mpg = 200 gallons/year. that's over $800/year you're saving (using $4/gallon of 87; even more savings if the gas is more than $4). but cost isn't the only reason. you can imagine long stretches of time between filling a tank. Rather than visit a station every week, maybe you visit once every 6 months.
Check out and see how long gasoline can go before it turns into varnish in your area. 6 months may be a long time for gas to be sitting
i see many EV fans blast Toyota for not going gaga for BEVs but i respect Toyota for being the one of the few matured, pragmatic and courageous automakers that understand the market and people! In fact i hope to see larger Toyota vehicles like the Hiace and Coaster for example going hybrid and get excellent MPG haha
Personally I think BEVs can be a great choice for a city vehicle, however, the charging infrastructure in North America is pretty much a disaster right now which makes them not a great choice for road trips.
Wait until the Robber barons get ahold of most of the electric infrastructure and monopolize the electric grids so they can jack up the per kWh rates and then electric will no longer be cheaper than gasoline. If we're lucky it will be on par but I won't put it past these oligarchs to take everyone across the coals once their plans come to fruition
Got a 23 XLE AWD, and love it! This car checks all the boxes👍averaging 58 mpg
Dern good!
You already have it? We put our deposit down 3 months ago. Xle awd
@@corey7219 yes…got it on Match 14th in WV.
@@toddbenfield6546 nice and for us we have been waiting since march for the prius xle awd and we are trying to find a good fuel or electric efficient miles and a long lasting car
@@toddbenfield6546 did you put a very early deposit on the Prius? We put ours in on March.
This is a very detail mpg test for a phev.. Good job 👍👍
The design is basically the discontinued chevy volt gen 2. Looks great. The only thing it needs is the availability to fully charge in 2 hours and it would be (chef kiss).
Such a short EV range isn't worth equipping that option plus it's bad for the battery. The market is overnight chargers with typical commutes. Any amount of gasoline is meaningless.
@@normt430 The comment is about fast charging option for a PHEV. Useless waste of money.
@@normt430 There is no EV that can provide that ride quality, range, and low operating cost for less.
@@normt430 I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you own any extent of electrified vehicle?
Lovely reaction.
I was going to get this car but decided on the Model 3 instead. I felt I was getting better value for my money after rebate.
Stealerships are treating this car like a Ferrari! No test drives and they want mid 40s for the xse trim. INSANE
I got 46mpg on my 2000 echo manual trans on my last tank. Usually drive 75 80. But kept it under 70 and was at 46.8 but then started zooming.
My Mini Cooper 2007 diesel got 72mpg
That's the relationship between speed and power requirements: to double your speed, power goes up exponentially. That's why a Veyron with 12x your Echo's power can still only go 3x as fast. Slowing down just a bit moves your power requirements into the engine's butter zone where it's producing at its most efficient while still moving you at decent speed.
@@vontrap6942 Not available in the US in 07, so is that imperial gallons? It's more like 50mpg in US gallons.
I think location has a lot to do with the MPG. My 2021 Corolla hybrid is supposed to average 52 and we average 58.3. been very happy with it and wouldn't mind getting another when it's time. I'd be curious to see what I would get with this Prius
I think the Corolla hybrid looks better than even this newer Prius. Do you have limited cargo room in the trunk as well?
@@4seeableTVprius looks better and more sporty
Really high quality capable review. Thanks!
Really enjoyed your video. Packed with such helpful info. Thanks!
Great review. I used to live in California; Los Angeles, Oxnard, and San Diego, so it was interesting to see you driving through SB and L.A., especially when you drove by the Galleria.
I own a Honda Clarity... Basically this same car but 4 years older. And its great. In real world use I average 160 mpg. I once went 2 weeks without using any fuel. 199.99 is high as the meter goes. So long as driving in town, its zero gas. Its only when I make a trip to the BIG city for fun or shopping, that I ever use gas. And that's a 90 mile round trip. Strictly on gas, it will do 50 mpg. The self driving features are pretty good. Although the automatic speed control is WAY to sensitive. It slows down WAY behind a car (Even on the closest setting) But as long as drive with that in mind, its not bad.
You didn't! You got zero mpg on electricity.
Nice car but once again the dealer markup is the deal-breaker.
No dealer markup at my dealer… Connecticut.
I have a 2016 prius two and it still averages 64 mpg. I drive it like any other car too. Usually it'll get just over 600 miles on a tank of 85 octane
Never heard of 85 octane, where do you get it?
@@yulog Wyoming and high country Colorado. Should be done away with. They have it in the summer to prevent preignition at high altitudes. Modern cars don't need it.
@@yulog Giving you too much information. Here in Iowa the land of king corn. You have to hunt for pure gasoline. 10% gasohol goes from 87 to 89 octane. E88 is 15% gasohol with 88 octane. E85 has to be used in a flex fuel vehicle and is 85% corn alcohol 100 octane and gets 70% MPG as normal gas. This makes my head hurt.
Great review! I want this car :-)
Appreciate it
Wow. This Prius actually looks pretty good.
@ 4:15 I turned the volume up and heard the engine rev but no electric whine that you say. So it leads me to think that whine that some complain about is very low, very distinctive. So to me I doudt that it's a concern.
It's very faint and I don't think my mic picked it up. You might hear it slightly more at part throttle, but if you had the music on you wouldn't hear it. Either way, I think it's cool sounding and not a negative.
Thank Eric for the real world test, the wife is looking at the Prius Prime as her next car. Having own a 1st Gen FRS your comment on the Prime being faster to 60mph hit me below the belt. Thank you amigo.
About to trade in my 2017 Prime. It's been a great car.
What zip code are you in? What trim level?
@@artsmith103 Chicago area, Premium trim level.
@@mostmost1 You're 1,200 miles away. I'll have to pass. Good luck.
@@artsmith103 are they hard to find in your area? Many in Indiana think I'm driving a full EV.
@@mostmost1 just lower density so everything is harder to find.
Would be useful to know how using the heat or air-conditioning affects mileage and electrical consumption. Also, one feature lacking on the 2023 Prius Prime is a rear-window windshield wiper. Toyota apparently feels that the rake of the back window would clear off the rear window, but in snow how effective would that be? Also how good is the rear window heating?
When you're in ECO mode it puts the heating/cooling system in a more efficient mode. Personally, I could care less. I want to be comfortable!
Actually, due to the flatness of the rear glass, you need to clean the glass more as opposed to the vertical glass where the rain water would just run off quickly.
this car is badass
Awesome review man. Keep it up. Subscribed.
These things are impossible to find. I'm kind of considering buying one as I drive a ton for work. I had a 2021 rav4 xse (so, hybrid) and got 42+ mpg all day every day with no change to my spirited driving. I sold that for a couple different reasons, the biggest being that after 1 year and 13k miles I had the opportunity to sell it for $5k more than I paid for it. I then got a 2023 santa fe. I then got this new job with a lot more traveling, really love the santa fe and most likely not getting rid of it..but 20mpg and a lot of miles I'm putting on it. I'm wanting to get a hybrid for a work vehicle. I was going to get an elantra hybrid, like everything about it except I hit the door latch with my arm every time I get out (I put 1500 miles on one over a 3 day period just to see if it would work for me). I averaged 50mpg in it, again..with no change to my driving style. I put 450 miles on a maverick hybrid and averaged 35mpg which would be enough for me to pick one up, but I can't find any of course - and I'm not paying over msrp for one. So, I'm wanting to try out one of these new prius next.. but, yeah. Where to find one? lol
Ah Prius 2023,😍... Enjoy living in my head rent free💞
My 2013 Prius Plug-in (gen. 3) has been a peach. It’s been to Canada, Colorado and Oregon from the Bay Area. About 1/2 my driving (including those trips(12k of the 55k total miles)) has been on the ~11 mile battery. Only charge on 110v in the garage at home. Watched this to see what I would get by trading up. Not much, it seems - adaptive cruise, whoopee. No sale.
Most economical car is the one you already own
Lol, 250 Mile is Road Trip to this guy.
Texans: That’s my NORMAL drive in the Great State of Texas.
if I drive the prius prime with battery always flat... using it as a full hybrid and not as a plug in hybrid... how much does it consume?
curiosity because only the plug-in version will arrive in Italy and not the full hybrid version ... thanks
This is not the real usage. We mostly go 20-30 miles on a weekday, and that can be done purely electric. The car will only go on longer journeys with petrol on weekends.
That’s exactly what i did in the video. I drove 127 miles on electricity alone over 3 separate charges. On the third charge I did the road trip. Maybe I could have spent more time explaining that.
Fast forward to 12:40 for the efficiency report. Real-world 50 mpg. That is as good as gas cars are going to get. If the prime + was 30 k and I could fit in it......,,,well......... I still would not by one. I would at least think about it. The Chevy bolt is 27k before tax credits.
Love that you drove it any other car, hyper milers are just a fraction of real world Prius drivers. I'm personally waiting for something with more power and range. I live in very mountainous area and want extra HP for the crazy elevation in my area. Hoping the GR version checks that box, if not, will wait for the 2025 Prius model.
GR version is just a rumor at the moment.
Dream car. Thanks Ad
When trying to estimate Hybrid mode gasoline range from the Prius Prime 11 gallon tank on a road trip, the car is extremely sensitive to several factors, the biggest being: 1. Speed. 2. How flat or hilly is the route you are driving. 3. Wind conditions. 4. Weight of passengers/cargo. In my 2019 Prius Prime, the worst fuel economy I ever get is 42 mpg: this is driving 70 mph, car heavily loaded to nearly maximum GVWR, with a Thule cargo pod on the roof crossbars. The best fuel economy I've ever seen in "normal" conditions, is about 65 mpg. This is with the car lightly loaded, no cargo pod on roof, no tailwind or headwind, flat terrain, driving 55 mph. Around town, on city streets at 25~35mph, the car is capable of 75 mpg if you use the regen braking capability at maximum efficiency. The heat pump draws between 1.5 to 2.5 kilowatts, so running the heat or a/c can cut into the car's energy efficiency by as much as 30% at slow speed on city streets, or 15% at freeway speed. In the 35,000 miles I've owned the car, it's averaged about 55 mpg in Hybrid mode. I don't often drive faster than 55 mph, so my numbers may be "high" - most people can't stand to drive as slow as I do, and the average on the freeways where I live is close to 75 mph. So your mileage is likely going to be less. But the Prius Prime is a phenomenal car if you can adapt your driving habits to squeeze the most efficiency out of the powertrain.
Thanks for your insight!
The coffin on the roof is killing your mpg more than all those other factors even though they do matter. My 21 prime with all the right conditions with 2 people, no head wind 60 to 75 Fahrenheit a thoroughly warmed up engine running up to Boston at 72 to 74 mph on many occasions get 60 to 65 mpg other times mid 50s.
@@horsepowerandtalk1033 - If my car was a "regular" Prius, instead of a Prime, I probably wouldn't have needed to buy a cargo pod. But as you know, the Prius Prime's traction battery is situated under the rear cargo deck, and this cuts into the available cargo storage volume. The battery is about 12" deep, and the Prime has a more shallow slope to the hatchback than does the regular Prius, which further reduces the available cargo volume. But even with the cargo pod, the car gets 52 mpg on the flat at 55 mph, compared to only 16 mpg in my other vehicle, a '98 Dodge Cummins pickup truck, so I don't mind the small hit on fuel consumption that cargo pod causes. I've been hoping and waiting for years that Toyota would make a PHEV version of the Sienna, but that's looking less and less likely now that they can't even keep up with demand for Prius Primes and Rav4 Primes because of the chip shortage.
would be nice to put that white foam from trunk out to see what is under .. nobody did that in video yet
I've been watching youtube for over a decade and you're one of the best car reviewers i've ever watched. Subbed. Very relatable and not just reading off a stupid sticker window or driving 22mph for ultra max rare efficiency
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Apparently people actually think there is no nuance between "hyper miling" and "driving it like you stole it".
Longo Toyota in El Monte, CA sells only at MSRP. No markups! They are the largest Toyota dealer in the nation.
The wait is long like 2 years though. I had a deposit with Longo Lexus in a NX hybrid last year, they told wait time is 1.5 years. I said forget it.
@@jml9550 The wait is 6-8 months. It’s fine with me since I’ll rather get the 2024 model year.
(4 days ago, I placed a preorder Prius LE and Prius Prime SE with Longo Toyota. Whichever arrives first, I’ll take it.)
I currently drive the 2023 Nissan Ariya. This EV is so AWESOME! It’s so BUTTER SMOOTH AND DEAFENING QUIET INSIDE! Drives way better than any Lexus (no joke)!
Yes! I bought my GR86 there and waited 11 months. Zero regrets.
@@revmatchtv smart move. I ended up going to Crown Lexus Ontario and paid MSRP and no add ons.
Jeez. The second gen chevy volt paved this path 6 yrs ago. Get one for half the price.
Worth the money! Prius!! 👍👍👍
4:36 When I said I'd wait for the GR version ppl laughed at my comment. Take that!!
$38k for midlevel prime vs $40 k - tax break for entry model 3. Not sure this is going to sell that well.
They plan to sell about 15K of the Prime in 2023 iirc. Not a high volume vehicle like the Tesla. They plan to sell around 36K of the non plug-in version this year as well.
Thank you for driving it like it should be. As someone who is a car guy, my only fear should be of CHP when speeding, not of fuel economy. I never drive for fuel economy.
00:30 I liked that one! 🤣🤣
This is why I put a deposit on a 23 or 24 (ETA is over 1 year) and will trade in my 21 Prius Prime.
One of the local dealers in southern CA selling price for the base SE is 42k (that’s almost a 10k market adjustment). That’s stupid.
What I wanna see is a 5 hour Amazon Flex block test! Then a nice 300 - 350 mile trip and see if the car can handle a 5 hour flex block 45-48 stops and a trip 300 - 350 miles on 1 full tank of gas!
Nobody has tested the charge mode on this prime. When your battery is empty put it on charge mode to charge the battery back up to 80 % while driving. then use battery only again. And repeat to get the actual MPG will you be testing this feature on it.
Good idea, but the car is back with Toyota. Most people will charge at home because it's going to be less expensive than using the gas engine to charge the battery.
I would like to have one, but here in Southern California, the dealers are in gouging mode. I will not pay the mark up, which goes as high as $4000. Also there seems to be like no availability at this time. There are so few available, I have not seen one in the show room or on the road. So not now Toyota. I can wait another year
Ontario electricity is 7c *2 delivery and taxes =14c / kWh if charging at night.
10/10 review.
Thanks. Between federal and Connecticut incentives, the base Model 3 from Tesla in $34,240. The only major benefit of the Prius that I see is absence of range anxiety.
Interesting. In CA that's $36 for a Model 3, vs $28 for a base Prius.
Would probably save the cash and buy a base Jetta MT. It would take 200k just to break even.
The car looks good. Gotta hand it to Toyota on the styling.
They nailed it imho
in ohio your registration cost for prime is 200$ a year the same as all electric . Any hybrid in ohio is100$ registration. State rep agreed with me that a plug in/hybrid should be somewhere in the middle like 150$ but not worth the litigation to change. I m retired so I have the time to hyper mile....i am able to achieve40 - 45 miles all electric in city on my 2020 prime. I enjoy stabilizing the flow of traffic with my speed management techniques. Toyota #1
I can see these cars getting a lot of high pressure injector issues unless they are given regular Italian Tune-ups. The direct injectors aren't used except at higher RPMs and Priuses are typically not driven hard for better efficiency. This is not the old 1.8 with port injection only so to ensure good engine health, regularly give the car WOT so the direct injectors can clean themselves of carbon deposits. Just make sure your engine is properly warmed up before doing so. Also be careful on those skinny tires. This ain't a sports car. Lol
The look is really nice. Wish it didnt have the blind spots on the side of the windshield
Dealers are marking them up $5K. 26 cents per KW residential outside of Los Angeles, free with home solar.
I don't support markups! I pay around $0.21/kWh for power in LA on a non-tiered rate plan. Solar cuts my power bill about 1/3 on average year round.
If the Prime version holds more value than the regular version which costs 3-5k less money, then it makes no sense to calculate long term gas savings against the _initial_ price difference, because that price difference holds long term, and you'll recoup a significant chunk of it when you sell the car for more money than a standard Prius.
I drive a 2020 Prius, I get 52 miles per gallon. I can get even better with more city driving. I live in a hilly, windy place - not ideal for prius at all. When I drive in flatter areas without crazy wind, I get 55-60mpg no problem. With your electric you are only at 61.6mpg. Without electric, 50.8 mpg. Basically this thing will save you a tiny bit of money, depending how small your driving habits are. Doesn't seem worth it for the extra price and fact that you have a bigger battery to fail/replace.
I thought I recognized that vista point going up to Solvang )
Great review for an awesome car. 👌
Thank you
wow my 2013 volt only gets 45 miles of range and averages about 65 mpg in similar conditions. innovative way to spend an extra $25,000
Beautiful vehicle and Beautiful place
Thanks for noticing the location! When I can, I try to shoot in a beautiful area.
What a beautiful motor car ! A winner today , Toyota , 😊 .
I'm interested in getting one, but I just can't pay $40k+ out the door for a Prius (Prime)! Maybe it's something I'll buy used in 2-3 years.
Ontario Canada electricity is about double what he stated when you add in all the different costs items on a bill.
Got it
You are getting about the same mpg I get in my Prius.
With the way the windshield is angled, does it affect visibility that much?
I want the new model Prime 2024, but I got stuck w Prime 2017, not powerful like that
That's very quiet! Not sure how people consider that loud. Freeway may be different, so I would like to know that db reading.
What about the catalytic converter? Will it be easy to steal like previous generations?
The cat is in the normal place. I'd suggest some kind of aftermarket cage if it's a concern. And yes, Toyota is aware of the issue, but they stated that they locked in the design around 2018 before the thefts became rampant.
60 db is not bad for 6.4 sec 0-60. Make sure you refill it if you don't drive the gas engine that much
This car will cost ca 50,000 USD in Europe. Previous (non plug-in) model was 40,000 and Corolla hybrid costs over 40,000 right now.
Madness
And that's before taxes and fees. We are pretty lucky in North America price wise. Canada is more expensive than the US, but not like the continent or the UK.
I have a 23 Mitsubishi mirage hatchback base.. I get 53 mpg hwy 47 city..it cost $18,500 .. you figure out if the price difference is worth it
i had this car on loan for a week my best advice to anyone who thinking about buying one of these new prius is save your money for the price its crap and you will definatly regret spending all that money on this car the interior is very cheaply made its noisey and it just feels cheap ...........buy a carolla instead if your after a hybrid
I was expecting more from the Prius, with my 2019 C-HR I make in average 60 MPG
Remember I had a pre-production vehicle and loads of big inclines. I hit the EPA efficiency rating, so take that as you will.
I wish electric cars could still have steam gauges. I like the idea of driving a electric car but prefer normal instrument panel. Not a display but real ones with fine increments kinda like we had back in the 80s.
can you get this without dealer markup? this good competition to Tesla model 3 but then spending more to the EV just gets rid plenty of maintenance tasks and costs.
The electricity charge in Ontario is around $0.07 per kWh but there are other charges that will increase the cost i.e. delivery charge is $0.19 per kWh, regulatory charges, and then 13% for the taxes. It adds up to over $0.32 per kWh. Paying for electricity is not that much cheaper than paying for gas. Do the calculations, they are on par.
Thanks for the info. Prices vary dramatically across North America.
Who’s charging $0.19/kwh for delivery? That’s insane! Is that Hydro or Tesla or Electrify Canada?
@@revmatchtv I live in Toronto. Depending on the consumption, Toronto Hydro charges $0.18 to $0.24 per kWh. We also have the HST of 13% which for gas, it's already included in the gas price. From my calculations, gas and electricity is almost at par.
@@SwordFishRiver I grew up in Toronto :) You got me curious, and I'm looking at the Hydro rates. I see and Ultra Low Overnight rate of $0.024/KWh they introduced May 1. Of course add HST etc. You can probably enroll in different plans. Here in Los Angeles I pay about $0.21 any time of the day.
@@revmatchtv Toronto Hydro bill has the breakdown of the charges. The highest amount is the delivery charge and it’s not linear. The higher the consumption, the lower the rate which was a surprise to me.
Hypermiling is the equivalent of counting the rice on your dinner plate every night.
what kind of camera did you have on the hood ?
50mpg still blows ICEs out of the water
Watched a prime video earlier, in Colorado off peak is 3¢/kwh...😮
$0.20 in California where I live :/
@@revmatchtv .075 here, I get it for.0675 no fees... I thought THAT was cheap 🤔
Does it have power folding mirror
One good car is the Mitsubishi Mirage. If drove nicely, they can get 45 MPG. But if drove hard, you're looking at mid 30's. And they start at around $15,000-16,000.
Only 87 miles and my Prius is throwing a computer error. Returned it 3 times with no solution. "Plugin in Charge error" they said they will fix it through software..someday
Wow. Dealer needs to step it up.
11:50 Highlight of the video because of how completely casual you were.
This is not a test, this is a promotion.