I know Lvd strays away from using alchemy cards, but I don't know if he ever explained why. So I got to ask, what exactly is wrong with alchemy cards? From what I know they're just virtual only cards.
@@reokado4783 Probably just hopping on the bandwagon to get props from people like the commenter above. As a content creator, you'd think they'd like playing with a larger cardpool with interesting effects that you don't get in paper. Crokeyz shows that the cards can be fun.
@@reokado4783 I think it's the increased complexity of some of the alchemy cards; in paper mechanics are limited in complexity because you keep track of everything manually; look at Draugr Necromancer from Kaldheim: the one and only purpose of putting the "Ice Counter" on the exiled card is to keep track of what was exiled by Draugr Necromancer and by extension what you can cast from your opponents exile thanks to Draugr Necromancer. In alchemy, something like "Perpetually" is too complicated for paper because there's no easy way to keep track of the changed effects for that SPECIFIC card that, most importantly, are kept even between zones such as the battlefield, exile, graveyard, your hand, and ESPECIALLY your library. Also things that a player isn't capable of doing without the aid of a program, like "seek" which fetches *RANDOM* cards from your library, which if a player tries to do in paper comes with the complication of not being able to without a doubt prove the seeked card was indeed random and not cherry-picked by the searcher. also there's a growing trend/meme of magic cards these days having way too much text, which Alchemy Cards indulge in frequently.
I was REALLY REALLY waiting for this video. I can't describe how happy am I that Legend finally published Tergrid content. I am so happy I might pass out. Jokes aside, great content Legend! Thanks for all the high quality entertainment. Creators like you really deserve more love. Edit: I've built quite a few Tergrid Brawl decks and I've noticed that Grave Pact and Oppression work extremely well in such decks. For those black mages out there, give it a shot, I think they are a worth inclusion.
I even crafted Grave Pact for this deck, but ended up cutting it since we're relatively light on creatures. Will be much better in a deck like Jadar that actively sacrifices its own creatures.
4:39 Since LVD didn't mention it, I'm gonna point out that Plaguecrafter is distinct from Demon's Disciple, insomuch as it will make the opponent discard a card if they have no creature or planeswalker to sack, putting it in the Venn diagram category.
Oh, hell yeah, I am very happy to see this video in my feed. Always felt that I never really saw Tergrid go off when she was fresh in standard. Very intrigued.
It must be my birthday. A little while ago you made a Hinata brawl deck that I was craving, and today you come out with a Tergrid deck. Tergrid was the first historic brawl deck I ever crafted and I’ve been attempting to update it with no luck. Thank you so much for this LVD! 🤘🏽🤘🏽
I love mono black so much 💜 liliana is my favorite commander this was such a good watch and the games were crazy i love all the sacrifice creature very cool would love tto build this irl
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I know Lvd strays away from using alchemy cards, but I don't know if he ever explained why. So I got to ask, what exactly is wrong with alchemy cards? From what I know they're just virtual only cards.
@@reokado4783 they're virtual only because they use mechanics that wouldn't be possible in paper magic. It defies the game sense and intuitions that people have developed for decades, and they're just not worth that cost
@@reokado4783the thing that causes friction is that they are more cards to have to memorise which you'll never see in a real life game, plus some virtual-only mechanics are unintuitive and clunky. Basically, some people feel they aren't worth the effort of trying to learn. Because a lot of viewers have this opinion, content creators get forced into it as well because any Alchemy-forward content will not be watched as much so they won't get the same revenue on it
@@collin4555 You don't got to go into too much detail, but can I get an example of a card that would only work on arena and why its affect wouldn't be possible in paper magic? Like would it be too much of a time constraint to do in paper magic? Is that what you mean?
Never mind, I looked into it a little more and I get it now. Arena changed existing cards for rebalancing purposes. Yeah, I can get why that would urk people.
By the way, I dunno if it's been powercrept, but you can put your opponent in a real slogfest by focusing on the Tergrid's Lantern side of the card instead. The steady 3 damage ping on top of tearing their resources apart can be a real efficient strategy.
Anytime someone plays a Tegrid Deck: " your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should."
Tergrid is a woman after my own heart. I LOVE mono black but my current captain is K’rrik and I don’t see that changing any time soon. Now on Arena? Id love to try this deck out for sure.
12:55 "Opponent goes face." Yup, and that's why he left the game on the following turn. You can't let a Dreadhord General live when you have nothing else going on and expect things to go well.
Tergrid/tinybones/batgodguy: You know you are about to take a discard-fest in the face. But honesty it is still fun and not unfair. I prefer that to azorius/blue control or mass exiling BS any time of the day.
18:50 not true, actually "Target player reveals their hand. You choose a nonland card from it. That player discards that card. You lose 2 life." I remember this specifically because I've seen Surge of Salvation in response to it forcing the caster to target themself
I love Tergrid in my RL black deck. However, using her directly gets me focused at a multiplayer table, so I usually run partnered Sengir/Tevesh Szat. Everyone still fears her when she comes out, though. Edit: Also, you made me feel bad for a *Geist deck,* which is not something the happens often.
I decided to build this deck using a ton of my wild cards, the last of them actually. I've played nine matches and havent even got close to winning in a single one of them. And i'm not terrible. Kind of a bummer considering you show so many games with it performing well...
@@LegenVD Yeah I know. But you certainly showed a majority of winning games. I appreciate your response, but it definitely doesn't perform as well as your games in the video would suggest. For those of us who follow your channel for deck ideas, it turns a month of grinding in to a waste of wildcards.
In my experince this deck cannot deal with tokens or a wide board. kind of a mediocre commander I'd say. Costing 5 and then wanting folks to discard and sacrifice relevant stuff is a steep ask.
Literally lose 18 on 20 match ,never have the right answer for enemy's deck as in your video and often mana screw (atleast 10 matches) Maybe i'm really unlucky with this deck,never get such a losing strike
As I mentioned at the end of the video I can’t recommend the deck. But making use of that free mulligan to look for more mana acceleration is important.
Expensive commanders usually aren't the best without extra mana gainers. This deck proves that for me. I tried it, lost the first five games. So sorry mate, I usually like your stuff but this deck just doesn't make the cut
Why assume its a rage quit? People have lives. On top of that, he was obviously making that deck as content, knowing cgb could be recording and spoil his deck. Thus the quit.
FIGHT ME NEXT TIME! I can take it!
Would love to see you guys brew a few Brawl decks and go at it for a collaboration video.
Please do some BO3 you two! Love you both
I was so so hyped when I saw CGB getting matched with you in his vid D:
I saw the scoop
That instant scoop was really funny 😂
It was very kind of you to spare CGB the absolute despair of Tergrid.
I’m out of the loop, where is cgb in this vid
@@mightyhulk1483 it’s in one of cgb‘s video. LVD scooped rightaway as he saw the name
I suspect it was more of a scoop to Golos. I def scoop to certain commanders.
i honestly wouldve loved to see the match and it looked like cgb was excited for it too. idk why legend dodged
@@PerfectlyPaintedPixels not LVD usual behavior
"Let's just take this alchemy card, so I don't have to think about it"
Never have my feelings about Alchemy been summed up so succinctly
I know Lvd strays away from using alchemy cards, but I don't know if he ever explained why. So I got to ask, what exactly is wrong with alchemy cards? From what I know they're just virtual only cards.
@@reokado4783they aren’t balanced as well as paper. Frankly they are mostly way too good or efficient, very p2w feature from your friends at hasbro
@@reokado4783 Probably just hopping on the bandwagon to get props from people like the commenter above. As a content creator, you'd think they'd like playing with a larger cardpool with interesting effects that you don't get in paper. Crokeyz shows that the cards can be fun.
@@cardgamesletsgo2079nice strawman argument. Crokeyz still antisemitic on stream?
@@reokado4783 I think it's the increased complexity of some of the alchemy cards; in paper mechanics are limited in complexity because you keep track of everything manually; look at Draugr Necromancer from Kaldheim: the one and only purpose of putting the "Ice Counter" on the exiled card is to keep track of what was exiled by Draugr Necromancer and by extension what you can cast from your opponents exile thanks to Draugr Necromancer.
In alchemy, something like "Perpetually" is too complicated for paper because there's no easy way to keep track of the changed effects for that SPECIFIC card that, most importantly, are kept even between zones such as the battlefield, exile, graveyard, your hand, and ESPECIALLY your library. Also things that a player isn't capable of doing without the aid of a program, like "seek" which fetches *RANDOM* cards from your library, which if a player tries to do in paper comes with the complication of not being able to without a doubt prove the seeked card was indeed random and not cherry-picked by the searcher.
also there's a growing trend/meme of magic cards these days having way too much text, which Alchemy Cards indulge in frequently.
So that was you in CGBs recent video!
do u remember which cgb video it was?
I was REALLY REALLY waiting for this video. I can't describe how happy am I that Legend finally published Tergrid content. I am so happy I might pass out. Jokes aside, great content Legend! Thanks for all the high quality entertainment. Creators like you really deserve more love.
Edit: I've built quite a few Tergrid Brawl decks and I've noticed that Grave Pact and Oppression work extremely well in such decks. For those black mages out there, give it a shot, I think they are a worth inclusion.
I even crafted Grave Pact for this deck, but ended up cutting it since we're relatively light on creatures.
Will be much better in a deck like Jadar that actively sacrifices its own creatures.
4:39 Since LVD didn't mention it, I'm gonna point out that Plaguecrafter is distinct from Demon's Disciple, insomuch as it will make the opponent discard a card if they have no creature or planeswalker to sack, putting it in the Venn diagram category.
Good guy Legend, sparing CGB from Tergrid
I had started to play a tergrid Brawl deck last week and it was fun, now that LVD has perfected it, the fun is way more. Thanks!
Oh, hell yeah, I am very happy to see this video in my feed. Always felt that I never really saw Tergrid go off when she was fresh in standard.
Very intrigued.
Dude I know, and I've tried her a couple times for pioneer at my lgs but I'm a crappy builder 😂
Came to see this after watching CGB's video. Much appreciation and respect to you both
It must be my birthday. A little while ago you made a Hinata brawl deck that I was craving, and today you come out with a Tergrid deck. Tergrid was the first historic brawl deck I ever crafted and I’ve been attempting to update it with no luck. Thank you so much for this LVD! 🤘🏽🤘🏽
23:23 made me laugh out loud haha
Same. Love when legend gets cheeky.
same!
This deck is so gross that it's awesome!!! I actually have a pretty similar deck in paper with Seizan! Awesome job as usual, Luca!! 😄
Always good to see you upload, LVD. Thanks for the content
I love mono black so much 💜 liliana is my favorite commander this was such a good watch and the games were crazy i love all the sacrifice creature very cool would love tto build this irl
Thanks LVD! Was so waiting for this.
22:56 i love when a player just wigs themself out into taking free damage. perfet mindgames
lifegain deck gave me huge backflash to my early days.
also, i love playing discard; nice deck!
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"Let's just take this Alchemy card, so I don't have to think about it"
I felt that
I know Lvd strays away from using alchemy cards, but I don't know if he ever explained why. So I got to ask, what exactly is wrong with alchemy cards? From what I know they're just virtual only cards.
@@reokado4783 they're virtual only because they use mechanics that wouldn't be possible in paper magic. It defies the game sense and intuitions that people have developed for decades, and they're just not worth that cost
@@reokado4783the thing that causes friction is that they are more cards to have to memorise which you'll never see in a real life game, plus some virtual-only mechanics are unintuitive and clunky. Basically, some people feel they aren't worth the effort of trying to learn.
Because a lot of viewers have this opinion, content creators get forced into it as well because any Alchemy-forward content will not be watched as much so they won't get the same revenue on it
@@collin4555 You don't got to go into too much detail, but can I get an example of a card that would only work on arena and why its affect wouldn't be possible in paper magic? Like would it be too much of a time constraint to do in paper magic? Is that what you mean?
Never mind, I looked into it a little more and I get it now. Arena changed existing cards for rebalancing purposes. Yeah, I can get why that would urk people.
I do now wish to see this deck vs CGB
Finally some tergrid...my favorite card getting some love
By the way, I dunno if it's been powercrept, but you can put your opponent in a real slogfest by focusing on the Tergrid's Lantern side of the card instead. The steady 3 damage ping on top of tearing their resources apart can be a real efficient strategy.
Anytime someone plays a Tegrid Deck: " your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should."
I love Tergrid, this video makes me happy
I didn’t get those snow lands cuz I didn’t think I would use them. They look so good I regret my decision.
44:05 Yeah that's how it feels to play against Atraxa.
It's unfortunate that you play a game with a nykthos and a commander that steals stuff, but never got a chance to say "We're going to nick those."
Tergrid is a woman after my own heart. I LOVE mono black but my current captain is K’rrik and I don’t see that changing any time soon. Now on Arena? Id love to try this deck out for sure.
I can see the power of the Sacrard deck from the Venn diagram
12:55 "Opponent goes face." Yup, and that's why he left the game on the following turn. You can't let a Dreadhord General live when you have nothing else going on and expect things to go well.
Tergrid/tinybones/batgodguy:
You know you are about to take a discard-fest in the face.
But honesty it is still fun and not unfair. I prefer that to azorius/blue control or mass exiling BS any time of the day.
18:50 not true, actually
"Target player reveals their hand. You choose a nonland card from it. That player discards that card. You lose 2 life."
I remember this specifically because I've seen Surge of Salvation in response to it forcing the caster to target themself
Yes, of course you can Thoughtseize yourself, but LVD meant that in won't trigger Tergrid's ability, she cares only about opponent's discarding
WOW! My favorite commander of all time! Thanks for this deck and video, you are awesome!!
"say you are a bad person without saying you are a bad person"
@@Jejfimwianfn 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love Tergrid in my RL black deck. However, using her directly gets me focused at a multiplayer table, so I usually run partnered Sengir/Tevesh Szat. Everyone still fears her when she comes out, though.
Edit: Also, you made me feel bad for a *Geist deck,* which is not something the happens often.
feel sorry for that Geist player. that match was oppressive.
Wanted to see the CBG match 😢
The your go from the OP with calix XD that loss well deserved
Damn I love Tergrid decks so much
FINALLY TERGRID GOT A CHANCE 🙏🙏🙏🙏😩😩😩
Always tried to make tergrid work when it was in standard. Never did.
I suggest using Tinybones as commander to avoid the Hell queue!
Pretty sure CGB saw you playing tergrid
That poor geist opponent he never had a chance.
are the Brawl tiers known? like, which commanders get the Danger Room matchups, which are Gen Pop, and which are Kiddie Table?
More or less, although newer commanders are subject to change.
@@LegenVD I ask only because I was surprised to see Etali, Atraxa, et al, appear across from you. is Tergrid on the format boogeyman list?
@@FrelanceEQ Yeah feels like it, but I don't think it necessarily deserves to be.
I decided to build this deck using a ton of my wild cards, the last of them actually. I've played nine matches and havent even got close to winning in a single one of them. And i'm not terrible. Kind of a bummer considering you show so many games with it performing well...
In my conclusion I said that I couldn't recommend the deck because it's stuck in hell queue.
@@LegenVD Yeah I know. But you certainly showed a majority of winning games. I appreciate your response, but it definitely doesn't perform as well as your games in the video would suggest.
For those of us who follow your channel for deck ideas, it turns a month of grinding in to a waste of wildcards.
23:24 lmao
How does he organize his cards that way??
You just click and drag them into a different column.
Shame on that Heliod player for scooping the second they didn’t have an overwhelming advantage
Why no Bojuka Bog?
The upside is usually not worth the drawback.
What?
They changed that? 😞
It was so much fun stealing my opponents commanders when Tergrid was new.
Why instant quit vs CGB?
When do you normally play these matches? I'd love to run into you in the brawl queues
I just concede and move on. I want to have fun when I play :)
I dont know whats worse: being countered by blue or being discarded by black.
Countered, because they just let it sit there on the stack forever deciding if they are going to counter or just casting Opt.
damn....... you're just done with draft i guess unfortunate
In my experince this deck cannot deal with tokens or a wide board. kind of a mediocre commander I'd say. Costing 5 and then wanting folks to discard and sacrifice relevant stuff is a steep ask.
Indeed, it has quite a few weaknesses and doesn't have the traits of a great commander. The matchmaking also seems to put it up against better decks.
@@LegenVD at least I only spent 2 WCs on it, and they'll find a home elsewhere. Til we live the mono B dream 🥲😍
I was smiling when he dissed Alchemy card 😂, i hate alchemy so much that i dont play any of those cards!
Ridiculous build. That was the first time I’ve ever seen a concession.
Literally lose 18 on 20 match ,never have the right answer for enemy's deck as in your video and often mana screw (atleast 10 matches)
Maybe i'm really unlucky with this deck,never get such a losing strike
As I mentioned at the end of the video I can’t recommend the deck. But making use of that free mulligan to look for more mana acceleration is important.
Expensive commanders usually aren't the best without extra mana gainers. This deck proves that for me. I tried it, lost the first five games. So sorry mate, I usually like your stuff but this deck just doesn't make the cut
lol you can’t win with tergrid 😂
@@honestabe411 lol you need to bash on other comments to make you feel good about yourself. Good for you man. Too bad you need it tho
@@Scorpionrzz I feel good when I win games of mtg
Why did you bail on CGB´s game ? LMAO hahahahahahaha
I hate Tergrid decks lmao so annoying
I’m disappointed in you dad.
Pok pok 🐔 vs CGB
Why did you rage quit cgb
Why assume its a rage quit? People have lives. On top of that, he was obviously making that deck as content, knowing cgb could be recording and spoil his deck. Thus the quit.
Still could have been someone else
what a trash deck, extremely draw dependent and fold against most popular decks.
Jesus what a bait
I did not recommend building the deck for good reason!
Oh yeah. I saw how CGB was scared of this shit. Dislike
Why dislike?
@@stupidstutesman2444 for the lie in the title. No one is afraid of this garbage ))