Starting on the roll cage for Crusty
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- Getting my new bender figured out and the roll cage in Crusty is underway. more mods to the bender and making mistakes with bends is how you figure things out fast. got some great info from the UA-cam channel "The Fabrication Series" lots of great tips on tube bending basics. check it out.
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I bought a roll cage bender that was almost exactly like that, just a few minor differences on it, back in 1984 in the US. The instructions with it said to always plan for "spring back" as even though you may bend it a precise number of degrees it was always going to spring back to straight just a little so you should bend it a little more so that when it springs back it will be where you want it. I built several roll cages with it and had good luck with it but it was a challenge at times to get the bends exactly right as your finding out with yours. I think you pretty well got yours figured out and I think the more you use it the easier it will be. Mine was stolen from a storage unit 20 years ago. I checked Harbor Freight here in the states and they don't carry that bender but I talked with a manager about it to see if they might start carrying them in their stores. Good video, glad to see the progress 👍
I thought I was the only one still using inches I’m humbled knowing I’m no longer alone good on you Fitzee nice work mate 👌
I worked at Ford Motor Co 37 years as a Electrician. Bending conduit. The bender we used very close to what you are using. I always mark the pipe all the way around. You are doing a good job for a first timer
Great Job! Looking good. I don’t comment very often but your issue with the 3 degrees is probably due to ‘spring back’. I have bent thousands of bends in electrical consuit. The more you bend pipe in degrees, the more it springs back a bit. 30 degrees might spring back a degree or two. 70 degrees 3-4. 90 degrees might be 5. Different kinds of pipe are different, just have to learn by trial and error
I love watching you fabricate Tony. Whether it be sheet metal or tubing, even tools... basically whatever your fabricating completely blows my mind. I totally enjoy your channel sir. The tips and tricks are always phenomenal. Thank you for sharing your skills with us. I'm always riveted to the screen when I watch your videos. Keep On Keeping On Brother!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Nice work Fitzee. My first bending mistake still hangs on my shop wall from 1988. 34 years later I can pretty much bend anything right the first time but there has been a learning curve. The good thing is most bending mistakes can be used for something else. Crusty is a very cool project.
Yours is one of a couple hundred channels that I’ve subscribed to, but the ONLY one I watch EVERY SINGLE EPISODE of!
You’re a rare breed on the Ol’ you tubes, Tony!
Keep on, keepin’ on!
Couldn’t agree more. ❤
Your continuing diligenge is what you are also teaching. There IS an answer. You work till you out think it and make it happen. Inspirational, as usual.
I also experienced a kind of "backspring" (up to 5°) on my cheap bender - and it differs from type of pipe and dimensions too. Testbending is my solution on every project. Keep up your good work and thanks for sharing ...
Very impressive troubleshooting and results. The Fabrication Series is such a fantastic and inspiring channel too. 👍👍😎👍👍
Really enjoying the project Tony! Watching the project come together from thought process to actual fabrication, dealing with the issues that are self induced along with what Murphy’s law throws in while still making progress is pure entertainment! I look forward to your next installment. Stay safe and happy holidays!
hey fitz, . tip of the day from an old woodworker, adjust your sawblade so it only just clears the bottom of the wood you are cutting, this increases the number of teeth doing the cutting, lessons the chance of kickback ,make the blade last longer and as an added bonus lessons the severity of your little "citting steel incident. hope that tip was good.lol
Good tip!! Thanks
I was watching with bated breath, hoping today wasn't the day.
Hi Tony, the main loop fits great! Nice way of determining where to make your bends with the template. Seems a bit easier when you have a full scale model to go by. Thanks for the video!
Phenomenal!!👌👌👌
Love how you figured out the bender to get a perfect fit!
Looking forward to the next video!!👍👍👍
It is wild how much there is to building something that you would think should be easy. Great work brother 👍.
Very good tips. Real world. Using simple inexpensive tools. Thanks Fitzee
Good job, it took me some time to figure my bender out also, I got a more expensive one, but same learning curve. Your angle discrepancy is probably because you modified the die so the overall length of the die will be slightly longer, kinda like a car going around a corner, the outside wheel will travel further than the inside wheel. You could add another degree to the top bends and get it away from the body, just spread out the bottom to get it back in place to make it fit without touching
His guy is awesome!!!!😁 old school ways always work good, don’t have all the big tools, no problem , I got this!!! that’s how I do all my stuff too . Just have to think about it some 🤔 great job!
That is going to be a crazy little car when it's done, nice work as always Fitzee
New tools are always a learning curve, it could be the difference in pipe size, who knows but you did it anyway, nice work Tony
Excellent work and a good simple idea with the template. Very clever man you Mr F.
Fitzee, I would definitley put that short bar in from the front strut bar to the chassis in front of the firewall and behind the front tire. It will add a little stiffness to the chassis but more importantly, if things go tits up and you take a hard shot to the front wheel, it will offer much needed protection in keeping the front wheel and suspension out of the footwell of the driver area. I use a straight tube , quick and simple. I've built two tube chassis cars at home and put this bar in both of them.
Great job on that roll bar, This car should fly with that LS. Bet ya can't wait.
Just wanted to say Justin is awesome "The Fabrication Series". I have to do that dirtiest of four-letter words thing "WORK". I'll finish watching later today. Loving the series.
This car has FUN written all over it , great cat !
That turned out great Tony. Looking forward to the rest of the roll cage build
Every day is a school day fitzee and it’s the doing bit that teaches us not to fear anything. I love your videos fella
I think what's happening with the degrees is the spring back in your pipe. That's a real nice main hoop nice and sung fit.
Really like watching you. Its the liner you made thats affecting your degrees.
Looks great. Your rust repair videos are awesome, but following a build is better than anything on TV. As far as door bars, I remember our high-school drag cars had hinged door bars. Made it a lot easier to get in and out. Not sure if its legal now or then lol but may be an option.
It's funny you call the car Crusty.. yes learning and enjoy your skill. from Philly.
I bent a lot of conduit over the last 40 years and the big name bending machines are not always accurate on the dials plus spring back, nicework!fit good with no large oops pile. My inspectors have the same idea,a good snooze is best for the cold weather. Always a great video. Thanks for that
Lots of valuable information in your video this week as well as in the comments… that was a dandy rollbar you built… your ability to think on “the fly” is enviable… this is gonna be the fastest Toyota Corolla on the planet… can’t wait to see’er rippin up the track
Thanks for this very informative video. I'll be needing and reviewing every bit of it shortly.
I just caught up on your last 3 videos. Great stuff! I am an Electrician and I have bent lots of conduit in my day. I think the issue you are having with having to overbend the pipe is just the fact that it springs back a bit when you release it. You will find different pipes will spring back different amounts. It's just a part of doing this kind of work. Cheers!
Just the math you were doing was giving me a headache, but in the end it came out great. Thanks for taking us along. I see your inspector is sleeping on the job. Kind of what my three inspectors do most days.
Hey Tony, I had to chuckle when you bent that pipe the wrong direction. I know it's not funny, especially with an expensive piece of pipe, but it's exactly what I would have done!:) Thank goodness you left tails at both ends! Great tips from you and the pipe bender guy. Thanks!
Tony, I used to buy a basic 4pt 1.75in cage kit out of Toronto for the year and car(s) I had it came with Roll over Halo Front posts and door bars for driver side and 5 sticks 10' sticks of tubing, it was cheaper cost and time wise even with shipping to Seattle than doing that much myself......
from there I'd buy about 3 more sticks locally of tubing and work it myself for what I needed!
we Had to use a factory frame in Street Stock class but I managed to 'massage' it to what I needed! and when mounting Id hole saw clean through it and weld on both sides for frame reinforcement as needed!
I used the Smokey Yunnick theory "if the Rules say you cant do it than dont!......Just look for what the rules don't say!" turns out I would find a lot of gray areas for 'creative engineering'!........🤣🤣🤣
Keep up the good work great watching and learning from you 👍
First time that I've seen someone use a template. I love it! Great idea. Thanks for making the video!
These videos are fantastic. I learn so much. Crusty has me intrigued to see what's next..
Great work Fitzee. You do it twice because you do it nice.
Tips are useful as the day is long! Keep them coming.
you have a lot of patience with that bending tool. Great job so far keep up the good work.
Good job that you didn't have to get a new length of pipe Tony! I get rather cross at myself when I make those errors, I'm usually not concentrating or thinking of some other aspect of the job.
Making good progress on my current project, my late fathers' 83 Rolls. Rusted sections all removed and new sections welded in, happy with that. Spent the last two days stripping the roof, rear quarters, rockers and rear sections of 40 years of paint, filler and shoddy repairs. Every panel has 3 to 6 mm of built up layers, on section I counted 21 separate layers, it's like automotive archaeology and has brought back the crisp swage lines and angles that had been rounded out with layer over layer of filler and paint. Located a local supplier for Interseal 670HS base epoxy to go over the nice bare steel then the body work. Thanks again Fitzee.
Always a good episode Fitzee, thanks for sharing!
Great project Tony well done my friend crusty is coming along nicely seasons greetings from the UK and a happy new year 💖
Hey Toni, the tips were good, Peanut is staying warm and happy as well.
Happy holiday season to you, thanks for the fun year!
Thank you Fitzee; great work and even my absymal math skills could understand this . Appreciated
Very nice job Tony and The elbow Jig you made up that looks very helpful
Nice fab work. Learning a new tool is always a challenge but worth the effort.
Enjoyed the modification well done!
Hi Fitz, always great videos. when i worked at a Mercury /Linclon dealer back in the late seventies we had a superior muffler franchise, i hated bending exhaust, baha.i found if you use a lubricant on the pipe, some soap , W/D 40 / oil, it made the bends a little easier, PS there never any guarantees though. keep up the great content.
i always use 3/8 copper tubing as a template. just bend by hand using the same radius. ..saves alot of time.....kenny
Crusty's roll bar is looking GOOD !
OMG Fitz, you the most talented guy I know.
Nice job as usual. Always look foward to your videos. Tips are good!
Love the advice on that piping Bender or tubing I'm sorry tubing Bender I didn't know you could shim it like that to make it fit other tubing very interesting thank you for the videos
It "sort of " fits. The shim stretches at the centerline radius and compresses at the inside so you do not get a true radius. Close enough for bending pipe by hand on a small project, as we have seen.
your extra 3 degrees is the spring back of the material, it will vary will wall thickness and material grade. but once you figure it out it should be fairly consistent.
think of the tube as a spring, it will bend a certain amount before it deforms and takes a new shape, you have to add those extra degrees of bend that it will spring back to your desired angle. the higher the degree the bend the more spring back you will get. it may be 3 or 4 degrees per 90 degrees of bend...
very good fabricator, it is not evident to bend pipes and have them fit the first time
Glad it’s time for another one ☝🏻……with your skill , you are allowed to cut steel with a skill saw!! 😂… that was hilarious 👍🏻
Best ever pipe bendind "how to" 👍
Thanks!
Neat template idea to get that fit. Love the clarenville dragway sign, too. I wonder if it came down when they shuttered the strip back in 2014. Hope you can keep drag racing alive for Crusty's sake! I just wonder if the drag ways up there in Canada have to have chain laws because of all the snow. Brrr.
Sign was up on the tower till only a few years ago when they tore it down.
Cars looking good another great video, we’ll done Fitzee!!
Well that worked out good well done sir Tony
When can we see these cars running down the track?
Love your work, amd how you explain your processes. I learn so much with each video!
Hopefully next summer.. fingers crossed
Excellent job, that 5 mm the bends are out would that be the steel memory springing back sort of thing, it's coming together, all the best to you and your loved ones
I really enjoy watching you work on this project. I can always use the info you give us while working on Crusty towards working on my old plymouth. I was wondering how you are coming along on that oldsmobile station wagon. I really enjoyed the fab work that you did on the hood, it was simply amazing. I was wondering if you were doing anymore videos on the oldsmobile, or if that was just a project that you were just going to finish without doing anymore videos on it. Your videos are exellent and very educational.
The wagon will be back. It's in storage right now
@user-xs6tq6ky3g I don't know how to send a text to a number so I am texting my son so he can walk me thru that.
Great work, Mr. Fitz-G.
On your pipe bender, maybe the indicator needle needs to be mounted the other way up so that the needle pointer points outwards to the measurements and would be over the plate. That would reduce the radius it is working on by a small fraction (the length of its bent tip) and may then give the correct readings.
That's a nice job Fitz looks like you're inspector is sleeping on the job....
the template sure makes it easier . thanks for sharing the trials & tribulations with the bender. have you looked at installing one the of the P.A. digital gauges to the bender? that would be trick
“Nothing too strong ever broke” as Tom Lipton likes to say along with the NHRA rule book will keep you in good shape.
Great job. Looks fantastic
Not saying anything about what your doing but for somone that cant afford a bender can u cut and weld your roll cage and still get the strength u need or does the weld weaken the roll cage thanks for your time great video god bless
You are not the only one that cut their stand with the circular saw. I cut the front my garbage can that I was using as a stand.
Merry Christmas Fitzee to you and your family my friend ✌🏻
Very different from the normal grab some metal and weld it in place quick style! This would be very nerve racking if a guy was on a real budget and only had just enough pipe and only one try. Better you than me bud, u nailed it 👍
Another youtuber recently did a bitof a tutorial on rollcage fabrication. Nivlac57 is building a '59 Volvo for quarter mile drags. Very good channel and content. Right up there with yours.
Great channel. I been follow them now well over a year. Father and son team and both are very smart.
2.5 - 3 degrees correction angle depending on metal thickness.
I'm certainly learning from this video.
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The bonus from stuffing up the first bend was that you ended up with a long piece of pipe left over instead of two short pieces.
Ps. LOVE your work and channel.
Tony, I look forward to every video. Really love how you make our Princess Auto tools work. I buy lots from Princess Auto. The frame on Crusty --- is it just mild steel? Thank you
Yes mild steel
Tony. please keep up all the Hard Work and Great Video Content.
all..."the tips were good!"...sub'd, like, Have Viewed Every Vid.!,
and we comment on occasion.
very best to you and yours...walt+mrs.
I can't remember if you are going to lift the body off to weld it? ...looks good.
Yes I'll be lifting the body off
Nice job 👍😎
That pipe coming down from the roll cage to near the radiator takes care of the weight of the radiator trying to bend the bottom pipe.
Love seeing crusty
its the insert you made for the die. It made the diameter a bit bigger so the needle is off. Once you find where the real zero is you can remark your degrees on the gauge with a protractor if it matters that much.
Umm. Degrees do not change with the radius/diameter. 360 of them in every circle, no mater it's size.
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radius has nothing to do with degrees or radians. As a circles circumference increases or decreases the distance between each degree MUST change. degrees are merely the discrete units we use to describe the circumference of a circle. Hence why we use pi for circle and sphere calculations. What I am explaining is literally the basis for all of trigonometry.
@@GarrethandPipa Silly fellow. The degree wheel and its center are fixed relative to the center of die rotation. The size pipe or it's distance from center has no effect on them.
A half inch OD pipe with a 90 degree bend will measure exactly the same on that as a 10 inch pipe with a 90.
@@deconteesawyer5758 I maybe a silly fellow but you have to say the if it is 90 degrees.... it has to be measured from some point in the circle. sure it can 90 from some random point but we are not talking about some random point, in this case specifically the rotational center point of the existing die. And reindexing the degrees against the differing diameter. For repeatable bends.
So what is your point? 90 degrees is 90 degrees? Yep that right but it still doesn't prove anything I said to be incorrect. He asked why the current zero isn't matching up. As far as the length being the same ONLY if center to the circumference is the same. In this case it is fractional smaller.
If he wanted to do a bend of 27 degrees either you reindex to the new circumference OR you just hit and miss until you get lucky.
@@GarrethandPipa It is not a new circumference. The same exact degree wheel is used and it remains centered with the die center. It accurately measures the degrees bent. The fact there are mechanical problems with the bender having slop, spring, gaps between the clamp and the die, gap between the stationary pressure die/follower and it mounted on a pivot, and sponginess making the initial zero setting just a guess, changes nothing.
Didn't the guy in the video move the dial plate with the degrees marked on it that the pointer works on? Love your stuff.
No itscan move and it was tighten down in one location before the bends
Man this car is going to be very cool, coming along nicely! Are you planning on racing it on the track and have a performance goal in mind? I know the cars I've built they have pretty strict rules based on ET. So I'd get a rule book if you plan to go a certain speed to make sure the roll bar system meets requirements. If that isn't the plan then I've typed a lot trying to help for no purpose other then wanting to help, lol.
I been looking at rules. I plan on building the cage so it is past any goal I'm after. Which is just to get back into it. Let the chips fall where they may. It's changed alot since I kast had a street strip car so plan is to take baby steps and see where it goes.
Looks great!
nicely done Tony,👍👍 from seeing the roll bar being thigh to the body, you're not going to have a finished interior in it , are you ?
Yes these cars don't have much of a interior. Just cardboard flat panels
You have a job to do and you need a tool to do the job. Two choices - an expensive top of the range tool or a budget basic tool. If the job is going to be ongoing multiple times, you get the top of the range tool. If the job is a one off, you get the budget tool and modify it to suit your needs for the job at hand.
I like this guy he is always good
Heads Up! - Captain Fritzee is talking!
Shop inspector on holidays relaxing in the tropical villa while you continue working.
I assume you aren’t going to put the brett or panels back in on the rear armrest area? Gonna be a tight squeeze if you do.
I plan to and it will be tricky.
@@fitzeesfabrications My eyebrows are raised. That will be tricky indeed. Test fit before welding?
another good show!!