I work on LAV and RPH. I have to go around and do landlord records and servicing on multiple sites for the company, and historically, engineers in the past have smashed out 20 units a day (checking a boiler, cooker and even fires in each one) then I come along and do what I belive to be the correct way of doing it (completing 3 - 6 a day) and get reported to head office for "being slow". Thanks for proving me right! Keep the vids coming they are a great help. 😊
I worked on housing association housing contracts for my employer for ten years and we had 8 services per day booked. The external assessors who checked our work very rarely had any complaints. Doing 20 a day is a joke, a dangerous joke.
When your car is serviced lets hope they do all the manufacturers tests, inspections and replacements. That would keep your car off the road for at least 1/2 day and costs double. I am sure you would go back to them
@@Mr_Foresight well, if it helps to noticeably prolong the life and reduce the repairs of my car, I would happily settle for a a bit more time and double the money! You just need to demonstrate that by a piss poor service you are actually paying more. If engineers just stopped charging such low prices, if they all settled for a minimum price then we'd all be better off.
As long as jokers who have worked in mc Donald’s can do the gas course if they have the money, then go onto just maintenance/ servicing, charging low rates . It screws us all , when someone can buy a cooker hose from BQ for £20 and fit their own how can experienced gas safe engineers charge enough !!!
A lot of gas service engineers charge £80.00 for 10 minutes do a reading that's it .I expect at least 45 minutes minimum to do a proper service clean the jet's etc ,I earn £80.00 for a day's hard graft .
Company I work for expect:- Fluke pen test. Visual inspection. Operate boiler. Fuse check. Safe isolation of electrics to appliance. Visual inspection inside appliance. Clean condensate trap. Clean filter. Check expansion vessel, drain and charge if needed. Fan pressure test and gasket seal check (if applicable). FGA test to MIs specs. Gas rate to MIs specs. Visual inspection of meter. FSD check. Check ventilation. Check stats & controls. Check hot water & heating working. Check flue integrity and entirety. Check flue terminal and PRV termination. Walk the system. CO alarm tested/in date. Check Cylinder/unvented (if applicable). Any other appliances visual inspection. Paperwork. Enjoyed this video Derek, cheers! :)
How long on average should it roughly take to service a combi boiler where there are no issues? I've just had Scottish Power in who came and left in under 12 minutes... obviously I'm thinking steps have been missed..thanks to anyone who can give me an answer
You should get them back in. 12 minutes is a total joke. I bet they didn’t even clean the condense trap. … I’ve seen someone do a boiler service in 6 minutes included paper work. That’s why cowboys do 20 a day.
Safe to touch test, yes. While working for a boiler manufacturer, I attended a boiler that another engineer (who himself was a senior engineer) had recently attended and got a shock off of the case. Yes obviously I hadn’t done safe to touch test and likely the senior engineer hadn’t either.
In regards to the flue being sealed, im sure MI's on most boilers state it only needs to be sealed to the fabric of the building inside or outside, dosnt have to be both sides
Inside now should be sealed with sand and cement or plaster and the outside can be the manufacturers weather seal if the MIs say you can. It’s all about stopping the flue from being pulled out from outside.
Then they don’t have it done then customers shouldn’t dictate the price of our work but we know someone will always do half a job for less money. So we will be paying the customer for letting us service their boiler soon 🙄
Absolutely... I've had ECVs letting by, unsupported pipework, cracked MIV joints and low pressure test points left open with the manufacturers plastic dust cap being the only thing preventing an escape of gas. For the few minutes it takes, you could save someone's life. Maybe a touch dramatic but I'm sure you see my point.😊
Hi Derick, Just a question as regards sealing on the inside, Ideal have said in the past that there own supplied internal flue cover/seal is ok provided exterior is sand & cemented + the weather seal is fitted, The only reason I know is because I had a flue going through a plaster board internal wall I could not seal with cement ect & actually had the Ideal tech guy attend my job as the boiler was faulty from installation ( Another story) I originally sealed the flue silicone but he made me remove it because he wanted an air gap ??? Where do we stand ? He said on a Timber framed house you only need an interior seal that’s supplied by them only. (It wasn’t a timber frame house ) Confused ?
On a full strip down service I always re charge the vessel then every other year unless it’s a Worcester Greenstar then it’s every year rather that than change the prv 🤦♂️😂 great videos by the way 👌
GSIUR 26 (9) checks on effectiveness of any flue, since it's a concentric flue the air intake forms part of the flue so should be tested? Some manufacturers, specify testing the air side as a flue integrity test, so if you're following MI's this should be done. Do you test the PRV? I can understand why you wouldn't want to but it is a safety device and so again should be tested as per GSIUR 26(d)? Tightness test:- if you have to do a heat rate but don't do a tightness your calc could be out because of an undetected leak?
Prv is water related and not gas so doesnt come under gas safe. Yes its in the appliance but 26.9 is relating to gas and not water. Hope that makes sense
26.9 does not say you have to do inlet pressures. It says heat input and/or operating pressure. Operating pressure is not inlet pressure, it is what used to be called burner pressure. Irrelevant on a zero governor boiler.
It’s changed it’s all called operating pressure now it makes no difference if it’s inlet or burner pressure to cover 26 (9) also we go with the manufacturers test
@@tomkatgastraining when did it change to all being called operating pressure? If that’s correct it’s ridiculously confusing. Working and burner pressure was perfectly clear. Changing burner to operating muddied the waters and now they’ve further confused things by calling it all operating??
No you still have burner pressure and inlet pressure and working pressure but they have put them all under operating pressure tests so even though they changed the group name the tests are still the same
Thanks this is should all engineers do , But unfortunately they don’t. I caught a liberty gas Engineer who came and did service and cp12 in less than 15 minutes.. When I told her you haven’t done anything , I am a gas engineer and shame on you ,I complained to liberty gas the day after their manager and another engineer came and took them 48 minutes to do the checks. That is in Leeds
Baxi Service engineers do not touch or clean circuit filter as they say that it’s not part of the boiler… I always clean up the filters whilst carrying out the service…
Earth bonding is always a pain. Electricians regs are different to ours. I’ll always go for gas regs but I do wish it was universal for both trades. Great video again Derick, come back to watch a second time 👍
i pump up the vessel every year.cos if we dont at some point through a certain year the vessel will fail.in my 34 years experience doing this saves many issues relating to the vessel failing as apposed to not touching it.
Excellent video Derek, another brilliant explanation on how to service the boiler, every little experience from the professional helps us guys. Thanks. Derek just a quick question, will you be making a video on how to service an unvented cylinder, please if you can it will be mostly appreciated for your time and effort. 👍👍
You are good. I have watched a lot. BUT you have to get a better mike. Your sound is the worst. Don’t get me wrong. You are amazing. Your knowledge both practical and theoretical is second to none. I didn’t mean to be rude. I shall watch every vid. Many thanks.
I guess you only watched the intro. It’s not the mike it’s the place I film which is my training centre. We have a mobile phone mast on the roof which affects my filming. At the end of the day it’s a video on boilers made by me not the bbc.
@@tomkatgastraining I think YOU are amazing. Your expertise is second to none. I will watch every vid you make. Well done. Sorry if I annoyed you. I didn’t mean to.
Hi thank you for al the hard work you offer to help the people in the sectors , some time you have some mistakes , that's not effecting what you do but it's nice to check the videos before you posted it , in this one check the socket and the electric plug , it's not for the right boilers , even when you do the first test you should do that at the same electrical feed to the boiler , please accept my great respect .
Are you trying to say that on the double socket one side of it could be wired correctly and the other side not even though they are fed by the same wire.
This is great stuff and you obviously know your stuff, however as anyone who has British Gas to (service) their boiler will tell you they rarely remove anything and only do a flue reading. It is literally in and out in 10 mins, how is this right?
@@peterburgess4637 but surely that can happen to anyone BG don’t do hardly anything on a boiler service it is literally 10 mins surely this isn’t right.
@@PNH63 i agree, fully, it can happen to anyone but if a service is carried out properly then a leak would be spotted and sorted thus saving the boiler.
I am not a gas man, however I do own a car, and if i took it for a service and they only checked the liquid levels, cleaned the windscreen and sneezed into the tyres there would be a lot of very poor condition cars out there. As a layman, at least now we appear to have regulations that stop scams by BG and others from carrying out superficial (and mostly useless) work and charging and arm and a leg for it. At least the minimalist service engineer and the meticulous service engineer will be playing on a level field. That has to be good for the general public.
Brilliant video. The switched Unswitched conversation depends on the earthing arrangement. If its PME switched any other earthing arrangement its unswitched
One quick question. Don’t you need to clean the burner .and gas safe made me flue integrity test so that hole should be capped off. Looks like white cap missing
Personally with testing the safety flame lockout I think you should always have your manometer on the inlet of the gas valve to test if the valve fully shuts when it goes into fault.
“ are we fitting them a brand new boiler, rads and pipe work on a service, why not , I would “ Maniac, how much do you charge for these fantastic services ?
There are three possible scenarios: 1. There’s no gas leak; 2. There’s a leak and you don’t detect it; 3. There’s a leak and you do detect it. The law requires a contractor to be competent. Scenario 2 is not an example of competence, so of course you have to do a tightness test.
checking the expantion vessel i always do, a tyre pressure gauge in service kit (small compact). ok it takes a little time to drain the boiler off to do the test but i see it as an essential test to keep that boiler working for the next 12 months. another thing i saw right at the start where you said you might have to replace the turret because the plug was missing? isnt it about time gas safe or us did something about that? forcing customers to pay and swap out a whole part is criminal in my eyes. cant really see if you plugged that gap in your video the original plugs were white as i recall. doing a flue gas test with that open? probably not but the whole point is to test with out sripping the flue down right? ive had flue seals fail into the air usually if the boiler is on for long periods at a low flow temp they melt. love all you guys who upload!!!
If you don't check and recharge expansion vessels especially on Worcester greenstars you run the risk of having to change the prv which is a total ball ache.
i like how MOST search results on boilers on youtube is of the Ideal brand ,since mine is ideal too, maybe because that brand is mostly used fr social housing and part ownership ?
Is it normal or typical for the pressure to drop repeatedly on a combi gas boiler regularly serviced by British Gas engineers. Only once in a blue moon do they send an engineer that leaves the boiler NOT losing pressure. I wish I knew why this happens. I thought only engineers should be increasing the pressure, and only at the time of servicing. But not if you pay British Gas to send an engineer, sadly.
I always have a conversation with the owner/tenant and ask if they know of any issues with the boiler. I ask 1. heating working ok? 2. Hot water working ok. I press people pretty hard on this because I've had issues before where say the husband says no issues then the wife says, oh no darling remember a few weeks ago we had to press the reset button a few times. Its not that people are being shady, they just don't associate issues in the same way we do. So yeh ask plenty of questions.
haters are dumb judging u for checking electrical current leaks , boilers have so many sensors in them that can be triggered by a current leak and cause it to malfunction in discreet manners
Derek. The sad fact if your were in a van working on Council's safety / Landlords tickets for the spill you give that takes the time you say, manufacturer's instructions, CITB, Gas Safe, God or however else involved, including travel to each boiler in a normal expected working day, you would last about 2 weeks before you were sacked or asked to leave. That buddy is the real world which trainers seem to forget or know little about, which should be addressed at all the levels it needs to be. As the paper and plastic guys you train may end up with a ticket but still not have a clue. And even less a clue they could end up inside for a while with the help of Gas Safe NOT on the engineer's side, in fact way on the conviction side of things in a court of Law when talking to a man / woman in a white wig, but more like covering arse on Gas Safe part. Question being, when in your so called position are you going to address what is expected at the minute in the real world. I myself have put this personally to Gas Safe with obviously no answer, as it is still expected and goes on daily. That expectation is 45 minutes at every home including travel time, which can be a boiler, a gas fire and a cooker and also includes a tightness and let by test and writing up reports so that is 10 minutes gone out of your 45 added to maybe 15 minutes of travel, all you spill has now to be done in 20 minutes. You should be teaching what is, and not what isn't or possible, as the people that should be doing something about this aren't which also includes Gas Safe.
I worked for Manchester City council for nearly 5 years so I know what goes on. One thing you should know is you can’t class the industry standards from social housing because they don’t care if the boiler breaks because they have staff that repairs the boiler. They don’t do service and landlords correctly because they are just ticking boxes because they have to if the standard engineer did that then we are in trouble.
Hi. A question for you. I've recently joined a new company whose "policy" it is on annual servicing to completely strip and clean EVERY year. Does this override the MIs which, as you've mentioned aswell, state for some boilers may only need striped once every 5 years etc etc?
You should always follow the manufacturers instructions but your company policy is more thorough than MIs and in this case I would follow my company policy
Do's and don'ts of making a youtube video. Do, make sure you have a good mic and audio setup. So you.. Don't sound like you are talking to us from a toilet 🤣🤣 Thanks. Other then that good vid. Hope you don't mind constructive criticism.
Thanks for this once again i have a Potterton titanium that's just 3 years old and is serviced every year, but was wondering if there are any regular probs that show up on this particular boiler ,glad of any tips ,cheers and thanks again,its also nice to know that you have a lot of followers, that are doing what we know as a proper job,.
Are all these engineers doing a tightness test on a service then checking all the other gas Appliances connected to the gas supply after interrupting the gas?
Regulation 26 (9) says a tightness test is not required on a service also appendix 5 of the gas industry unsafe situations igem/g/11 says only need to check other appliances if they encounter them or let air into the gas supply
Great video again Derek, would be interesting to know what paperwork you leave after a service? I use the regin pads, because I use them I must do a tightness test because I'm ticking the box on the paperwork that says "satisfactory gas tightness test - yes/no
I think Reg 7.13 has been written incorrectly: 1st half states AR if YES (High Limit Stat) + NO (PRV); but the 2nd half instead of being the reverse states AR if NO (High Limit Stat) + NO (PRV) [should be No Stat + Yes PRV]?
Hi Derek I’m at college doing my gas but my placement fell through only got 50 hours now my dead line is 25 of April how much would it cost for me to put myself through a gas course got chance of an other placement
@@tomkatgastraining that’s what I’m doing just now at college but they can’t put an extension on it for me so I’m going to have to put myself through a training course and start again I think and am wondering how much I’d have to pay roughly I’ve done quite a bit at college thought we would have to June but they changed it to this April 25th the placement I was on have are only doing wet rooms now but I’ve got my heart set in being gas safe, by the way your UA-cam videos have helped me so much with college work thanks for the time you put in to them
So you have to remove the plug so you are safe because the switch could only be single pole and not double pole so it won’t switch the live and neutral off.
@@tomkatgastraining ahh okay that makes sense, although I always thought they had to have switches so you couldn’t go poking around etc, house we moved in had all the sockets with no switches before I changed them all
@@MrLegend139 the earth connection opens the little gates on the live and natural sockets to stop you poking. That’s why the earth prong is longer than the other 2
@@tomkatgastraining yes I’ve seen that before but my only thought was that when I’ve plugged something into an surge protection extension lead at night when it’s dark I’ve seen blue flash as the plugs gone into it 🤔 hence why I’d always flick the switch off before plugging and unplugging.
I work on LAV and RPH. I have to go around and do landlord records and servicing on multiple sites for the company, and historically, engineers in the past have smashed out 20 units a day (checking a boiler, cooker and even fires in each one) then I come along and do what I belive to be the correct way of doing it (completing 3 - 6 a day) and get reported to head office for "being slow". Thanks for proving me right! Keep the vids coming they are a great help. 😊
I had the same at my old company when I was asked to do landlords on local housing. I was "slow" and found to many issues and upset the normal.
I worked on housing association housing contracts for my employer for ten years and we had 8 services per day booked. The external assessors who checked our work very rarely had any complaints. Doing 20 a day is a joke, a dangerous joke.
When your car is serviced lets hope they do all the manufacturers tests, inspections and replacements. That would keep your car off the road for at least 1/2 day and costs double. I am sure you would go back to them
@@Mr_Foresight well, if it helps to noticeably prolong the life and reduce the repairs of my car, I would happily settle for a a bit more time and double the money! You just need to demonstrate that by a piss poor service you are actually paying more. If engineers just stopped charging such low prices, if they all settled for a minimum price then we'd all be better off.
As long as jokers who have worked in mc Donald’s can do the gas course if they have the money, then go onto just maintenance/ servicing, charging low rates . It screws us all , when someone can buy a cooker hose from BQ for £20 and fit their own how can experienced gas safe engineers charge enough !!!
A lot of gas service engineers charge £80.00 for 10 minutes do a reading that's it .I expect at least 45 minutes minimum to do a proper service clean the jet's etc ,I earn £80.00 for a day's hard graft .
Company I work for expect:- Fluke pen test. Visual inspection. Operate boiler. Fuse check. Safe isolation of electrics to appliance. Visual inspection inside appliance. Clean condensate trap. Clean filter. Check expansion vessel, drain and charge if needed. Fan pressure test and gasket seal check (if applicable). FGA test to MIs specs. Gas rate to MIs specs. Visual inspection of meter. FSD check. Check ventilation. Check stats & controls. Check hot water & heating working. Check flue integrity and entirety. Check flue terminal and PRV termination. Walk the system. CO alarm tested/in date. Check Cylinder/unvented (if applicable). Any other appliances visual inspection. Paperwork.
Enjoyed this video Derek, cheers! :)
How long on average should it roughly take to service a combi boiler where there are no issues? I've just had Scottish Power in who came and left in under 12 minutes... obviously I'm thinking steps have been missed..thanks to anyone who can give me an answer
You should get them back in. 12 minutes is a total joke. I bet they didn’t even clean the condense trap. … I’ve seen someone do a boiler service in 6 minutes included paper work. That’s why cowboys do 20 a day.
You cant adjust the gas valve on on ideal boilers .
Safe to touch test, yes. While working for a boiler manufacturer, I attended a boiler that another engineer (who himself was a senior engineer) had recently attended and got a shock off of the case. Yes obviously I hadn’t done safe to touch test and likely the senior engineer hadn’t either.
Thanks Derek your video's confirm that I'm doing it right I'm baffled the tightness don't come in to it ive always carried out a tightness test
Always good practice to check expansion vessel even if it doesnt indicate a fault.
British Gas want 10 services per day in a 9 hour working window . Bet they doing full strip down and drop tests at meter 👍
In regards to the flue being sealed, im sure MI's on most boilers state it only needs to be sealed to the fabric of the building inside or outside, dosnt have to be both sides
Inside now should be sealed with sand and cement or plaster and the outside can be the manufacturers weather seal if the MIs say you can. It’s all about stopping the flue from being pulled out from outside.
I always take the lid off the logics and flush with 3 litres of water and check the electrodes, that's what Ideal taught us to do on their course.
The logics are easy to service ,not like some of the Worcesters .
I wouldn't beable to do all that for 50 quid .
That's all they want to pay .
Then they don’t have it done then customers shouldn’t dictate the price of our work but we know someone will always do half a job for less money. So we will be paying the customer for letting us service their boiler soon 🙄
I know what the regulations says, but I would always recommend showing due diligence, and do a tightness test.
Agreed. I've had ESV not working before and letbys its just good practise.
Absolutely... I've had ECVs letting by, unsupported pipework, cracked MIV joints and low pressure test points left open with the manufacturers plastic dust cap being the only thing preventing an escape of gas. For the few minutes it takes, you could save someone's life. Maybe a touch dramatic but I'm sure you see my point.😊
Do one at the same time as you check the safety control/ lockout.
You can do but then do re light and establish other appliances, can open up a can of worms
Hi Derick, Just a question as regards sealing on the inside, Ideal have said in the past that there own supplied internal flue cover/seal is ok provided exterior is sand & cemented + the weather seal is fitted, The only reason I know is because I had a flue going through a plaster board internal wall I could not seal with cement ect & actually had the Ideal tech guy attend my job as the boiler was faulty from installation ( Another story) I originally sealed the flue silicone but he made me remove it because he wanted an air gap ??? Where do we stand ? He said on a Timber framed house you only need an interior seal that’s supplied by them only. (It wasn’t a timber frame house )
Confused ?
Surely you can’t leave the boiler working because prv is capped off. How do you know expansion vessel is ok. No where for it to discharge if faulty .
On a full strip down service I always re charge the vessel then every other year unless it’s a Worcester Greenstar then it’s every year rather that than change the prv 🤦♂️😂 great videos by the way 👌
Thanks for all you hard work and humour, you always make me laugh.
GSIUR 26 (9) checks on effectiveness of any flue, since it's a concentric flue the air intake forms part of the flue so should be tested? Some manufacturers, specify testing the air side as a flue integrity test, so if you're following MI's this should be done.
Do you test the PRV? I can understand why you wouldn't want to but it is a safety device and so again should be tested as per GSIUR 26(d)?
Tightness test:- if you have to do a heat rate but don't do a tightness your calc could be out because of an undetected leak?
Prv is water related and not gas so doesnt come under gas safe. Yes its in the appliance but 26.9 is relating to gas and not water. Hope that makes sense
You'd have one hell of a gas leak to affect a Gas Rate😊 But always do tightness test 👍
26.9 does not say you have to do inlet pressures. It says heat input and/or operating pressure. Operating pressure is not inlet pressure, it is what used to be called burner pressure. Irrelevant on a zero governor boiler.
It’s changed it’s all called operating pressure now it makes no difference if it’s inlet or burner pressure to cover 26 (9) also we go with the manufacturers test
@@tomkatgastraining when did it change to all being called operating pressure?
If that’s correct it’s ridiculously confusing. Working and burner pressure was perfectly clear. Changing burner to operating muddied the waters and now they’ve further confused things by calling it all operating??
@@tomkatgastraining so P1 and P2 are BOTH operating pressure? If that’s the case, that’s absurd.
No you still have burner pressure and inlet pressure and working pressure but they have put them all under operating pressure tests so even though they changed the group name the tests are still the same
Morning, great videos... any video for serving communal boilers and pipework network please....
I try and get the customer to turn on the boiler. I think we've all been stung with that "It was working before you touched it"
Thank you for the insight. I am newly qualified and would keep this in mind. Very valuable tip. 🙏
If you do that you make yourself very unlikeable from the start. You have to have customer management skills too
Thanks this is should all engineers do ,
But unfortunately they don’t.
I caught a liberty gas Engineer who came and did service and cp12 in less than 15 minutes..
When I told her you haven’t done anything , I am a gas engineer and shame on you ,I complained to liberty gas the day after their manager and another engineer came and took them 48 minutes to do the checks.
That is in Leeds
Baxi Service engineers do not touch or clean circuit filter as they say that it’s not part of the boiler…
I always clean up the filters whilst carrying out the service…
They do if you have spear seal kit
I clean the system filter ,but British gas don't.
British gas are the worst for not cleaning the heat exchanger .
Earth bonding is always a pain. Electricians regs are different to ours. I’ll always go for gas regs but I do wish it was universal for both trades. Great video again Derick, come back to watch a second time 👍
Who makes these regulations for electricity and gas ?
And all carried out without the use of a safety net.
i pump up the vessel every year.cos if we dont at some point through a certain year the vessel will fail.in my 34 years experience doing this saves many issues relating to the vessel failing as apposed to not touching it.
Excellent video Derek, another brilliant explanation on how to service the boiler, every little experience from the professional helps us guys. Thanks. Derek just a quick question, will you be making a video on how to service an unvented cylinder, please if you can it will be mostly appreciated for your time and effort. 👍👍
It’s on the to do list 👍🏻
@@tomkatgastraining where do I get a seal kit?...and how many would I need to carry because there are thousands of boilers?
Best service vid I've seen. Thank you! Subbed👌👍
These videos helping lots of new engineers. thank you 🙏🏼
What are these apps we can download?
You are good. I have watched a lot. BUT you have to get a better mike. Your sound is the worst. Don’t get me wrong. You are amazing. Your knowledge both practical and theoretical is second to none.
I didn’t mean to be rude. I shall watch every vid. Many thanks.
I guess you only watched the intro. It’s not the mike it’s the place I film which is my training centre. We have a mobile phone mast on the roof which affects my filming. At the end of the day it’s a video on boilers made by me not the bbc.
@@tomkatgastraining
I think YOU are amazing. Your expertise is second to none.
I will watch every vid you make. Well done. Sorry if I annoyed you. I didn’t mean to.
Hi
thank you for al the hard work you offer to help the people in the sectors , some time you have some mistakes , that's not effecting what you do but it's nice to check the videos before you posted it , in this one check the socket and the electric plug , it's not for the right boilers , even when you do the first test you should do that at the same electrical feed to the boiler , please accept my great respect .
Are you trying to say that on the double socket one side of it could be wired correctly and the other side not even though they are fed by the same wire.
This is great stuff and you obviously know your stuff, however as anyone who has British Gas to (service) their boiler will tell you they rarely remove anything and only do a flue reading. It is literally in and out in 10 mins, how is this right?
Not many years ago BG engineers were doing the same and a boiler model developed an internal leak which rotted the case and condemned the boiler..
@@peterburgess4637 but surely that can happen to anyone BG don’t do hardly anything on a boiler service it is literally 10 mins surely this isn’t right.
@@PNH63 i agree, fully, it can happen to anyone but if a service is carried out properly then a leak would be spotted and sorted thus saving the boiler.
I am not a gas man, however I do own a car, and if i took it for a service and they only checked the liquid levels, cleaned the windscreen and sneezed into the tyres there would be a lot of very poor condition cars out there. As a layman, at least now we appear to have regulations that stop scams by BG and others from carrying out superficial (and mostly useless) work and charging and arm and a leg for it. At least the minimalist service engineer and the meticulous service engineer will be playing on a level field. That has to be good for the general public.
@@jesserawson898 I agree but BG don’t do anything really in and out in 10 mins , a lot of items on check list aren’t even looked at yet ticked as ok
I want to go out for a pint with this guy
Strip and clean logics every year (because MI’s say so) check vessel every year also
How many sumps you changed this year?😆
It's not that easy ,it needs an open end .
@@jamesrundle2956 more than I can count, my merchant says i by far order the most 😂
Thanks Derek for your effort making these videos. They are helping me to improve my knowledge 👍👍👍
Brilliant video. The switched Unswitched conversation depends on the earthing arrangement. If its PME switched any other earthing arrangement its unswitched
Service that boiler? It wants Condemning!!
How much would you charge for a service, considering your gonna put all this right!!
MUHAMMAD
You cam spi over a boundery if you get written approval from the neighbour .This may change if there are new neighbours .
One quick question. Don’t you need to clean the burner .and gas safe made me flue integrity test so that hole should be capped off. Looks like white cap missing
Personally with testing the safety flame lockout I think you should always have your manometer on the inlet of the gas valve to test if the valve fully shuts when it goes into fault.
Yes and you do a let bye test on the gas valve.
I allways use ldf on a disturbed gas service valve too
The magnetic filter is a system component; nothing to do with servicing the boiler.
Looks like installers and service guys have conspired to screw the customer of £££.
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I'm very interested in priority hot water system's,some people call them X plans . It's the way forward . .
“ are we fitting them a brand new boiler, rads and pipe work on a service, why not , I would “
Maniac, how much do you charge for these fantastic services ?
There are three possible scenarios:
1. There’s no gas leak;
2. There’s a leak and you don’t detect it;
3. There’s a leak and you do detect it.
The law requires a contractor to be competent. Scenario 2 is not an example of competence, so of course you have to do a tightness test.
You didn't LDF the gas isolation after disturbing it 😉
Not a problem if you're doing a tightness test at the end obviously
checking the expantion vessel i always do, a tyre pressure gauge in service kit (small compact). ok it takes a little time to drain the boiler off to do the test but i see it as an essential test to keep that boiler working for the next 12 months. another thing i saw right at the start where you said you might have to replace the turret because the plug was missing? isnt it about time gas safe or us did something about that? forcing customers to pay and swap out a whole part is criminal in my eyes.
cant really see if you plugged that gap in your video the original plugs were white as i recall. doing a flue gas test with that open? probably not but the whole point is to test with out sripping the flue down right? ive had flue seals fail into the air usually if the boiler is on for long periods at a low flow temp they melt.
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If you don't check and recharge expansion vessels especially on Worcester greenstars you run the risk of having to change the prv which is a total ball ache.
“Offering a service” is a contractual paradigm. It isn’t the same thing as servicing the boiler.
check flue if it goes into the loft . Brackets and put self tapping screws .
Got kicked off a job for suggesting a ri needs a full service at year 5
He said get out iam giving him bs
i like how MOST search results on boilers on youtube is of the Ideal brand ,since mine is ideal too, maybe because that brand is mostly used fr social housing and part ownership ?
Don't forget your volt sick has to test down to 50 volts boys and girls.
I ask customer how often they top up the pressure if 4 or more times a year then drain an check expansion vessel charge pressure 👍
Is nobody going to mention “meter bracket”. Brilliant.
checking the expansion essel is a pain ,you have to have a open end .
I charge expansion vessell every year after the boiler is 3 years old
Am I mistaken, the live is on the other side of the plug socket?
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Thanks for the video it's very useful
Thats a awesome videos. The plug fuse you tested was for the other boiler 😂🤣
Is it normal or typical for the pressure to drop repeatedly on a combi gas boiler regularly serviced by British Gas engineers. Only once in a blue moon do they send an engineer that leaves the boiler NOT losing pressure. I wish I knew why this happens. I thought only engineers should be increasing the pressure, and only at the time of servicing. But not if you pay British Gas to send an engineer, sadly.
No, it's not normal. Your system has a fault.
I always have a conversation with the owner/tenant and ask if they know of any issues with the boiler. I ask 1. heating working ok? 2. Hot water working ok. I press people pretty hard on this because I've had issues before where say the husband says no issues then the wife says, oh no darling remember a few weeks ago we had to press the reset button a few times. Its not that people are being shady, they just don't associate issues in the same way we do. So yeh ask plenty of questions.
haters are dumb judging u for checking electrical current leaks , boilers have so many sensors in them that can be triggered by a current leak and cause it to malfunction in discreet manners
Derek. The sad fact if your were in a van working on Council's safety / Landlords tickets for the spill you give that takes the time you say, manufacturer's instructions, CITB, Gas Safe, God or however else involved, including travel to each boiler in a normal expected working day, you would last about 2 weeks before you were sacked or asked to leave. That buddy is the real world which trainers seem to forget or know little about, which should be addressed at all the levels it needs to be. As the paper and plastic guys you train may end up with a ticket but still not have a clue. And even less a clue they could end up inside for a while with the help of Gas Safe NOT on the engineer's side, in fact way on the conviction side of things in a court of Law when talking to a man / woman in a white wig, but more like covering arse on Gas Safe part. Question being, when in your so called position are you going to address what is expected at the minute in the real world. I myself have put this personally to Gas Safe with obviously no answer, as it is still expected and goes on daily. That expectation is 45 minutes at every home including travel time, which can be a boiler, a gas fire and a cooker and also includes a tightness and let by test and writing up reports so that is 10 minutes gone out of your 45 added to maybe 15 minutes of travel, all you spill has now to be done in 20 minutes. You should be teaching what is, and not what isn't or possible, as the people that should be doing something about this aren't which also includes Gas Safe.
I worked for Manchester City council for nearly 5 years so I know what goes on. One thing you should know is you can’t class the industry standards from social housing because they don’t care if the boiler breaks because they have staff that repairs the boiler. They don’t do service and landlords correctly because they are just ticking boxes because they have to if the standard engineer did that then we are in trouble.
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Hi.
A question for you.
I've recently joined a new company whose "policy" it is on annual servicing to completely strip and clean EVERY year.
Does this override the MIs which, as you've mentioned aswell, state for some boilers may only need striped once every 5 years etc etc?
You should always follow the manufacturers instructions but your company policy is more thorough than MIs and in this case I would follow my company policy
Great video Derek ...its going to be push to complete two of these services a day ...I havent got any rushes left inside me..... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Do's and don'ts of making a youtube video. Do, make sure you have a good mic and audio setup. So you.. Don't sound like you are talking to us from a toilet 🤣🤣
Thanks.
Other then that good vid.
Hope you don't mind constructive criticism.
I was in the toilet 😜
ideal logic dressed up as a ferroli.😂 you couldn't make it up 😁. Great video as always 👍👍👍
Thanks for this once again i have a Potterton titanium that's just 3 years old and is serviced every year, but was wondering if there are any regular probs that show up on this particular boiler ,glad of any tips ,cheers and thanks again,its also nice to know that you have a lot of followers, that are doing what we know as a proper job,.
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Thomas Bradwell
Thanks Derek
i dont agree that we have to tightness test.we turn off the boiler isolator if required to do our service.at no point do we break into the gas supply.
Are all these engineers doing a tightness test on a service then checking all the other gas
Appliances connected to the gas supply after interrupting the gas?
Regulation 26 (9) says a tightness test is not required on a service also appendix 5 of the gas industry unsafe situations igem/g/11 says only need to check other appliances if they encounter them or let air into the gas supply
Great video again Derek, would be interesting to know what paperwork you leave after a service? I use the regin pads, because I use them I must do a tightness test because I'm ticking the box on the paperwork that says "satisfactory gas tightness test - yes/no
I have done it for landlords
It’s really amazing Video , thanks Derek
I think Reg 7.13 has been written incorrectly: 1st half states AR if YES (High Limit Stat) + NO (PRV); but the 2nd half instead of being the reverse states AR if NO (High Limit Stat) + NO (PRV) [should be No Stat + Yes PRV]?
I agree we noticed it when it was issued but it hasn’t been corrected yet
Great stuff .thank you for doing all these videos ,they are extremely helpful and insightful..👍🏻
Brilliant video totally agree 👍. Alot of engineers are out there doing absolutely nothing but a glorified gas check
Please stop stabbing your fingers at the audience.
Why does that bother you so much you had to comment about it
I noticed that this boiler does not have a magna filter some boilers do. My boiler has one.
It’s filmed in a gas training centre that’s why no filter
I would ID it if the blow off outlet valve if it is capped with a plastic push fit.
Igem/g/11 says with an high limit stat in the boiler AR but no high limit stat then you can class it as ID
Hi Derek I’m at college doing my gas but my placement fell through only got 50 hours now my dead line is 25 of April how much would it cost for me to put myself through a gas course got chance of an other placement
Do you mean how much is the manage learning program?
@@tomkatgastraining that’s what I’m doing just now at college but they can’t put an extension on it for me so I’m going to have to put myself through a training course and start again I think and am wondering how much I’d have to pay roughly I’ve done quite a bit at college thought we would have to June but they changed it to this April 25th the placement I was on have are only doing wet rooms now but I’ve got my heart set in being gas safe, by the way your UA-cam videos have helped me so much with college work thanks for the time you put in to them
id put money on that British Gas dosnt do all that
I work for BG and I absolutely do, but thanks for tarnishing us all with the same brush....
Jon-Paul Ward
I’m curious, why would it need to be on a unswitched socket? 🤔
So you have to remove the plug so you are safe because the switch could only be single pole and not double pole so it won’t switch the live and neutral off.
@@tomkatgastraining ahh okay that makes sense, although I always thought they had to have switches so you couldn’t go poking around etc, house we moved in had all the sockets with no switches before I changed them all
@@MrLegend139 the earth connection opens the little gates on the live and natural sockets to stop you poking. That’s why the earth prong is longer than the other 2
@@tomkatgastraining yes I’ve seen that before but my only thought was that when I’ve plugged something into an surge protection extension lead at night when it’s dark I’ve seen blue flash as the plugs gone into it 🤔 hence why I’d always flick the switch off before plugging and unplugging.
great information thanks much
Mike Fahy
Thank you
Clean condense trap?
Good stuff.keep up the good work
Marcin Masalski
Top quality and top man
You are the best 🌹