Assembly and Installation of the Feed Roller Assembly on the J. A. Vance Planer/Matcher
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- Опубліковано 20 січ 2014
- The latest video chronicling the restoration of the J. A. Vance Planer Matcher that I am restoring for the Georgia Museum of Agriculture. This video shows how I assembled the oufeed feed rollers on the machine including some hoisting with a make shift "crane", turning some bronze bushings and pressing them into some idler gears, and acknowledgment of a gift from Tim Lipton over at Oxtools.
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That is pure genius rolling those chucks on a wooden board. Very well thought out.
Let me just say that it's such a joy to see someone take so much care of an old piece of history. Thank you for taking care of that old girl.
Hi Keith, nice to see the pieces going back together, and I got to see how the expansion gears are installed in the working positions....... Man, there must have been some very capable engineers back in time to figure all these things out, and none of them had a computer or CAD programs to help! Amazing!
Thanks for the progress update .......... Mike
I agree that the "old timers" did some amazing things without needing CAD/CAM, computers, or calculators. The SR-71 "Blackbird" went into service in 1958 and is still the fastest jet known to the public (Mach 3+). The P-51 Mustang went from concept to first flight in 5 months. The most beautiful machinery I've ever seem us Charles Babbage's difference engine #2 (www.computerhistory.org/babbage/), which was designed in the 1700s, but couldn't be built with the machining technology of the time. Today it can be and has been, and it works just as he designed it on paper and in his head. It calculates and prints, or makes printing plates, for tables of polynomials. Useful for things like ephemeris books.
Amazing stuff....
-- Mike
Keith, I'm a new subscriber, My grandfather was an Engineer on a coal fired Shay logging train. and for 3 years I operated a Stetson Ross 17A5 Plainer. i also set up the knives and for different runs. here is a hint for knife setting; the must be balanced in pairs. when you get to that ill be happy to tell you more. you have some cool stuff!
Thanks for letting us watch!
cool old machine. very nice watching you work.
Great work! Who knows how many people might be inspired to restore things after seeing it run!
I really enjoy watching everyone work and share with each other, I keep up with you Abom, Keith Fenner and Oxtoolco as much as I can and I really like the camaraderie and detailed videos. Thanks for taking the time to put the videos together and share your work.
Hey Keith,
Thanks for putting on such a good show. I have had that postcard for more than three years sitting in a pile. I just couldn't resist.
All the best,
Tom
Don't let him fool ya. he took that picture himself Keith!
At 23:34, I loved the way you switched the chucks on the lathe. the process was simple, and a bit humorous as well! Please keep up the great videos and good luck on restoring this old world machine.
It is coming back together .I seen that Kieth Fenner got your pulley's finished ,good job!
Nice work Keith. I love how all that old-time machinery is just massively built, like Tom Lipton says "Nothing too strong ever broke!"
Mr. Rucker you are a true craftsman, and it is a pleasure watching you work! Keep up the good work. I am a retired machinist/instrument tech. in a chemical plant and in the few videos, of yours, I have learned many things. I Thank You very much. "Ten Nails"
+Michael Norris Thank you - I am glad that you find the channel useful!
Hi Keith,
first off I would like to say thanks for the great videos on your restoration and the techniques you use. I am a relative newcomer to your channel and find myself 'hanging out' for the next installment.
I have a special interest in what you are doing and how you are doing it as it's what I do for a living. I can understand your enjoyment in bringing old machines back to a life. I still find it hard to believe that they pay me to do this kind of work.
I have a great admiration for guys like you that give up their time on a voluntary basis.
Keep up the great work and thanks for allowing me to continue the never ending learning process
Phil
Ha, ha, I like that nifty very big "stomack-lift" you have when changing the chuck !
You shoved the "Bridge-crane" before but never the "stomack-lift" - nice !!
I'm one of those "big boys" myself ;-)) - as I told Adam Booth - real men have white shadows under their tits !
I enjoy seeing old machines and how they work.. You do a great job on the parts you repair..I liked how you used the tractor and the hoist to put the roller in
Great job. I love seeing how the old machinery is designed. My wife hates taking me to museums. (;
Very nice work !!
Nice work with the skyhook. I worked on truck tires back in the '60's, and often wished I had one of those.
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Thanks for showing the Vance; it's quite a machine. I look forward to its completion video running some stock.
hi kieth i am realy impressed with your method of chuck changing , great videos.
dave in the UK.
It's just amazing how massive some of that old machinery was built for relatively simple jobs. Guess that's why it's still around.
LOL, love how you changed the chucks by yourself Keith. I wouldn't have thought of that :)
Just found your channel. I'm a first year Machine Tool Tech student. Love vintage machinery and loving your videos.
+Greg Johnson Glad to have you here as a new subscriber. I hope that you enjoy the site and are able to pick up a few tricks along the way! No matter how many years you are in the machinist trade, you will always be able to learn from others who have different backgrounds and experiences.
Nice Crescent hammer!
Darn Keith i realy enjoyed this video keep up the good work.
My Best
Tighe
Good video Sir. Take care, be safe!
Nicely done! I like your lathe head replacement wooden bridge :-)
Either I need to come press those bushings in for you, or we need to find you a hydraulic press. I think you almost blown a blood vessel there!
Since you were just on the discussion about how we all do things different, I just wanted to add I like to use hand ground tool bits when machining bronze. I like the better chip control I get vs using the carbide inserts.
Very nice work on the restoration Keith!!
Adam
Oh my Lloyd heyzus
Maybe next time throw the gear in a 400-450 degree oven while the bushing is in the freezer. I pen up the hole a little
Many ways to skin that beaver, all good either way, fantastic rebuild
I'm really enjoying this series Keith.
I'm about 100 miles north of you, I need to come visit some time.
Duck
Nicely done!
Nice! I have a FiatAgri tractor with a front loader and that tractor has moved more steel than anything else. Of course, all we have to plow here is snow and granite. Are we going to get to see the machine in action? I would love that. I remember as a kid seeing my greatgrandpa and my grandparents and family in Kansas involved in restoring steam tractors and farm equipment. Fascinating. They actually used them way back when.
Hi Keith!
The image from the card is actually from France; you can read about it on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montparnasse_derailment The photo is on there too.
Greetings from the Netherlands.
I vaguely recalled that this train accident happened in Paris and a bit of research confirmed this. The accident happened at the Gare de Montparnasse in Paris: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montparnasse_derailment.
As usual: very enjoyable video! Thanks!
A a kid I worked in an uninsulated shop in upstate NY. A small hard coal fired stove almost warmed the place enough to get things done. I do not like cold either. That has become worse with time.
Buen video .
Hi Keith !
I saw Tom Lipton use these golves too and I love them, BUT ... DON'T use them with oily things, cooleant and so !
The oil-part of the stuff you work with penetrate the rubber coating and you will get some very oily hands and the gloves stays that way ... oily, argh and ALL you touch afterwards get very dirty/oily/rusty !
But as Tom says - you can use some thin rubber gloves under AND you can wash the gloves when they are too oily - the thin rubber gloves I personaly DON'T like but the trick with washing is good - and they can be washed several times - so there 's pro's and con's with these gloves.
***** Me too, but is was a little annoying to experience - as long as they stay FREE of oil they are very nice to have on
Great work! Thanks for sharing- Fred
hello if you are boring the gear wheel much better is to clock true to the teeths using a proper size pin. pin should be located between 2 teeths and you can clock the pin.
I have no envy for you during the summer. I would melt in the heat and humidity. I start sweating at 40 degrees and start getting chilly at 28 to 30 (still in short and tee shirt)
The crashed locomotive - I wasn't that - I have not been there :-)
But all the way: very informative videos. Hold on! Thanks a lot!
+Ewald Ikemann Thank you!
+Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org The crash is from Paris, 1895. Here is a link...
theoldmotor.com/?p=71014
I am a stickler for my gloves, and I have tried those. I don't particularly like them because of the mesh top part. It allows dirt and grease to slip through I do a lot of automotive work, where it is very greasy and dirty and when I use those gloves the bottom of my hand is nice and clean, but the top isn't! Lol
My absolute favorite gloves to use are the 9 mil black Nitrile gloves. You can get em at Harbor Freight. They are thick enough to not tear when doing most work (very thick for disposable glove standards) but also very very thin in comparison to cloth/leather type gloves. You get full dexterity to do very delicate work. They are also chemical resistant.
MattsMotorz That is kind of funny - I so much prefer these gloves over the Nitrile gloves. I wear Nitrile gloves at work a lot because they are chemical resistant, but down here in the hot and very humid south, I find that it does not take long for them to literally fill up with sweat! With the mesh back gloves, I find that they breath better which makes them much more comfortable to wear. Yes, oil and grease can come in from the back when they get dirty, but that is usually not that bog of a thing for me. When mine get dirty, I just wash them and wear them until I start to wear holes in them - and the holes usually start in the back. But, for me at least I can wear these many times over where the Nitrile gloves are pretty much wear once and throw away - by the time I peal them off my sweaty hands, they won't go back on again.....
Very good points!
Keith,
Great video. I love tinkering with old equipment. As a retired Navy guy who was a mechanic for 20 years, it's just something I really enjoy.
I do have ONE question, though, and I may have missed it in the video or in the comments, but...
When you made your bushings, you had to press them into the gear, but the gear has an oil hole for lubrication, yet, I don't remember seeing a corresponding hole in the bushing to go FROM the oil hole to the shaft. Seems to me, if you squirt oil in the oil hole, it will just sit in the hole and never make it down to the shaft where it needs to be.
Again, maybe I missed it, but that has me curious!
Once more, GREAT video.
Darrell Dowd It has been a while since I shot that video, so I am guessing that I just did not catch drilling the oil hole on camera. But that would be what I did - you need for the oil to make it to the shaft!
Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Thanks for the reply, Keith. Yeah, like I said, I just may have missed that part, or, the video just didn't catch it, but I figured you drilled the hole. Still, good video, as are all the ones of you I have watched. I kind of stumble on to these by watching other videos, and they tend to get intermixed. I just don't have the nack for working with lathes, mill and precision equipment like that. My math is not great. I went to automotive votech school after I graduated from high school and worked for a few years as an ASE certified mechanic, but the economy was not strong, and I got laid of a couple of times, so I made the decision to join the military and the Navy was my choice. As I said, I did a 20 year career and retired in 2003. My job in the navy was really a very over glorified mechanic, but we worked on MY types of equipment. Tow tractors with gas and diesel engines, hydraulic power supplies, hydraulic aircraft jacks, mobile electric power plants, gas turbine compressors, just to name a few, and as I mentioned, watching someone restore old items such as you is a great joy to me. I may never restore a single item, but I always learn something new each time I watch a video like yours, so keep them coming.
Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Oh! I almost forgot! I heard you say you were in south Ga? What part? I grew up in middle Ga, a town called Dublin. Went to votech school in Swainsboro, and have a TON of relatives in Savannah!
Darrell Dowd Darrell, I live in Tifton, GA. You probably know where it is, but if not it is right on I-75 about 60 miles north of the FL line. I know right were Dublin and Swainsboro are - my job takes me through those areas all the time. As for Savannah, my wife has family in Effingham County, just north of Savannah, so I am over in that area from time to time as well.
That is a picture of the Montparnasse derailment which occurred at 4 pm on 22 October 1895 when the Granville-Paris Express overran the buffer stop at its Gare Montparnasse terminus.
See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montparnasse_derailment
when indicating the idling gear in the 4 jaw, wouldn't it make more sense to indicate in relation to the outside diameter of the gear so that your new hole isn't out of whack with your gear teeth. I would imagine not doing so could affect the way the gear meshes and even result in undue wear.
Keith, I might be wary referring to myself as an ox.
(Ox is singular, oxen are plural. But that isn't the issue.)
Another name for ox, is steer. If we were talking about
equine, instead of bovine, the name would be "gelding."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ox
steve
Hi Keith, I've really enjoyed your videos keep up the great work.
The postcard is a photo of a crash in 1895 at Gare Montparnasse in Paris France (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_Montparnasse).
Montparnasse is the setting, and the crash a plot feature, for the 2011 film "Hugo". Well worth watching if you get some free time in your schedule.
Keith this train accident happens France, wreck at Montparnasse 1895.jpg
Please have the picture in Wikipedia.
Thanks for your good video's,
Robert
On really old equipment like this, it always amazes me how little attention was paid to things like gear covers and other simple safety devices back in the day. It almost seems to be an injury waiting to happen when you think about it. I know that the people who designed these machines were smart enough to recognized these dangers.
It makes me wonder if the concept of shunning or ignoring the need for additional equipment, intended only to keep people from getting hurt, was almost a cultural attitude in those days because nearly all of the industrial equipment I've seen from that era is notorious for lacking such safeguards.
Maybe it's because, in those days, equipment makers or owners weren't legally responsible for injuries. As soon as the laws caught up with them, those safety covers appeared almost overnight.
+BigRalphSmith It was the best way to weed out the gene pool. lol
@ 18 min, hoisting with an unauthorised strap with just another knot on this could have been asking for trouble.
14:00 - you could have assembled it upside down across the corner of the table quite easily - there's your extra hand(s)...
At 29:40, you needed ABOM TORQUE!
@22:20 instead of trying to guess the trueness of the worn bore what about indicating the four jaws? They are bearing on the gear teeth and would surely give a better idea of their concentricity to the new bore. Would adding this into the equation be, at least, an attempt at better understanding the situation? You don't seem to have seen the benefit of showing this to your viewers who are trying to learn by following your examples. Perhaps you simply couldn't see the importance of having the pcd of the gears running something like true.
So you oil the journal bearings. What about the vertical slides and the gear teeth? Why not show that to all the viewers who want to believe that your example is worth following.
I worry about your safety because you work alone. I suggest finding a young person that wants to learn the MR trade to work with you. A second person can provide first aid and call for help.
Great work!
Great work!