China Responds! New Radios Coming?
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- After my video from a few days ago on how some of the cheap Chinese radios are boring, a Chinese radio company has responded. See what they had to say.
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If they are reading the comments here are my suggestions.
1) 6M and or 10M HT. With SSB would be a big bonus. There are several 6M and 10M repeaters around here.
2) HT's that have 1.25M (220), 33cm (900), 23cm (1296).
3) Add HF/SW receive to VHF/UHF radios.
4) An actual receive signal strength display, not just a meaningless bar graph.
5) Support the M17 digital mode protocol.
6) Radios that actually meet/exceed FCC compliance standards.
7) For VHF/UHF radios make sure they have a fast scan speed. Most of the cheap HT's have painfully slow scan speed.
8) Memory banks so different groups of favorite channels can be grouped together and scanned.
9) Full duplex dual band VHF/UHF for satellite operation. Must have good filtering to prevent TX band from effecting RX band.
10) Possibly a dual band modular radio. A radio that has the capability to do all bands 6M and above by swapping out a module for each band.
Those cheap radios exist mainly because the RF1846 and the BK4819 chips exist. Developping this chips took a lot of time and money. Ham market is way too tight to deserve spending a lot of time and money to develop a chip that allow all what you are dreaming of.
It won't happen.
@@superpieton What did Alinco the Discontinuer use for its fabled 220/900MHz HT?
@@superpieton you can make SDRs from arduios. You don't need a special chip to make it happen. For example the trusdx is basically an Arduino with some clocks filters and amps.
Totally agree re SSB on 2m and 70cm!
SSB on 2m and 6m in the same HT would be awesome!
Do want inexpensive dual or quad (70cm, 1.25m, 2m, 6m) mobiles with fm and ssb. With good packet support
AM as well
It's great when manufactures listen to their customers! I agree SSB would be great, some clubs in our area hold SSB nets on 2 meter.
Yes, SSB on VHF/UHF would be great. Very few radios have ever offered this outside of expensive large base/mobile radios. I would also like to see 10M and 6M in an HT...
Yaesu FT-817 / 818.
More radios have USB-C charging. Why not USB programming? May as well add the sound chip, too. Less than a dollar in parts would get rid of much trouble (e.g., is my FTDI cable counterfeit?)
yes definetly. why not add the ftdi chip into the radio and make the charging using usb c faster (higher charching current). these ch340 ftdi chips cost absolutely nothing and are already on those programming cables but wold be nice to see more radios with USB-C programming yes.
Agree on SSB for 2m / 70cm. It would great to have a HT for work on linear satellites.
Put me down for 33cm, and 23 cm radios. I just got a notification from Retevis that they're going to stop manufacturing their RT10 radios (900 mhz/33 cm), and aren't going to replace it. That's MY biggest priority. But, everything else that you mentioned (and everyone else) I agree with.
I didn't know about the rt10. I may have to order one quick.
@@kenmcguire5837 They're not very powerful radios - 1 watt ERP. Low enough for them to claim that you don't need a licence for them. They do analog as well as digital. Digital - No license; analog - licensed transmission. I was able to hit a repeater about 40 miles away from me with that one watt. So, they do work.
I agree with you, I love the Motorola DLR 1020 900mhz spread spectrum. I have 2X RT10, good but too bulky and not SSpectrum.
Hayden, you really should find some time to visit these manufacturers.
With all respect to them - I don't have the ability or wish to travel to China
Personally I just want to see QUALITY. Good RX and TX audio quality, good screen quality, Bluetooth etc. But don't worry about price. Stop trying to make the cheapest radio in the world, make the best "bang for buck". We don't mind paying a bit more for quality... Superhet RX??
One of the biggest features is OPEN SOURCE the code, look at what happened with the quansheng .
EXACTLY!!! You beat me to it, great comment
AMEN!
I think a lot of us would love to see a Handheld with 10/11 meters and definitely with Sideband. We all got our start with 11 meters and yes, it’s still fun to play with. I owned 2 of the Magnums and definitely regret getting rid of them. It would be nice to see a Chinese company bring something similar back, it would DEFINITELY be a seller, no doubt !
Keep up the good work, and thank you for what you do !
23/33cm dual band would be awesome.
A 20m/40m HT would be phenomenal!
Well done, that's mega! I'd love to see an all-mode 50W 10m/6m/4m/2m set with I/Q in/out. Mobile sized. That'd be a complete game changer.
Xiegu would be great as a companion to the G90
I think a cheap 10 m radio would be a game changer for people in the US. Our lowest license allows the use of that band and I'll bet a lot of people unsure if they want to go further in the hobby would buy them up. We're also at a great place in the solar cycle for 10 m so any company wanting to produce something like this should really jump on it quickly while even a low power radio can get great results.
FYI: Technician 10 meter priveleges is only 28.300-23.500MHz USB. No FM until you get your General ticket.
@@yungsmile7546 that's why we want a cheap 10 m radio with ssb.
The Tidradio bunch is headed in the right direction. The H3 is bluetooth programmable with an app and has USB- C charging. Wide receiver with AM Airband and even does TX on 1.25m! Great price, fun colors.
Unfortunately all 4 I had couldn't pass the spurious emissions test for amateur use.
The TIDRadio TDH3 is a fun little radio, the only real gripe I have with it is the display is not aligned well with the bezel. Part of the screen is obscured and you have to view the display at an angle to see the whole thing.
With you on 23cm. For UK and other region 1 people 4m but properly filtered and working effectively would be great. SSB would be great but not sure they'll deliver that at good price point.
Another in for SSB on 2m and 70cm!
Also 33 and 23cm would be interesting, I'd probably try to play around with packet/data in those bands
They need to include C.W., especially if they are going to do SSB on VHF / UHF !
Ten meter hand held as well !
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I also fully agree with the SSB on 2m and 70cm, what a great portable solution especially in a 10w version
Multimode TX & RX on 2m, 70cm, and 23cm. To include AM, FM SSB, CW & Digital.
#1 for me is to see clean radios from all of the main Chinese companies. Better water resistance would be handy too. I work outside at night and bring a ht along when severe weather is expected to listen to spotters and the nws. And of course, SSB. Take a look at the Quansheng uv-k5 & k6 and what has been developed for alternative firmware. Lots of good ideas for mfrs to latch on to.
I agree 100% with 2m/70cm SSB. Since Yaesu stopped making the 818 there is not much else available to work linear satellites.
The more useful and universally loved a radio is, the more likely the Japanese manufacturers are to discontinue it.
@@someguy782 FT-897D. :P
True APRS support with messaging
Agreed. APRS location beacons are the least useful and fun part of this mode in my humble opinion, but that's the use case that seems to get all the attention from manufacturers. Even if the messaging relied on an app and Bluetooth, it would be a move in the right direction.
@@SamuelBradstreet If we're talking about adding features, I'd like to see a 7-plus watt radio with a good stock antenna that can both send and receive APRS packets including messages with an easy way to composes messages from the keypad. The LANCHONLH HG-UV98 already does APRS messaging over Bluetooth along with APRSDroid. I'd like to have just a radio that can do that without needing to be paired with an Android device.
Another vote for APRS with messaging.
APRS functionality with a UI that is modern and vastly superior to trying to use a 1980's CASIO calculator watch.
@@SamuelBradstreet Location beaconing is VERY useful for weather spotting/SkyWarn in the US, mostly due to making it dead-simple to know where the spotter is in relation to weather reporting. speaking as a trained spotter AND trained emergency manager (since retired, due to medical reasons), being able to track the location of spotters during a severe weather event with minor effort is EXTREMELY good both for the spotter safety AND for reallocation of spotters in the field as weather events unfold.
But adding APRS messaging via BT would be an incredible value-add.
Honestly, for my money, I'd be willing to spend it on a 6 meter monoband rig with SSB. I checked to see how many 33 cm repeaters we have in my area and I was quite surprised to find there are nine of them within a 20 mile radius of me. I've never used that band before, but I'm old enough to remember when Alinco's DJ-G7 was still on the shelves. 73 Hayden, and thanks for reaching out to the manufacturers to take their temperature on ideas for new rigs.
No problems! a 6m monoband rig with SSB would be awesone.
I own one of the only SSB 2m handhelds ever made - the Santec LS202 from the early 1980s. I'd LOVE to replace that as it barely functions. I have used it as an IF radio for microwave transverters and there are very few alternatives in the form factor. Proper USB-C PD charging would be great, so that you might charge a radio in 30 minutes. Also, radios should be programmed over USB-C and not require any additional slow audio cables. Bluetooth would be good too - not just for speaker/mics, but also programming, and heck if you've got SSB capability, now you can run FT-8 or Q65 without a wired connection. And to that end, a decent TCXO, and possibly an external 10 MHz input as long as we are dreaming. A simple built-in SWR bridge might be handy for verifying antennas are functional. If you've got SSB and you are doing weak signal, then you might also do a spectrum display. Or maybe sell an add-on device that is a dedicated display. All of these features will require development budgets that exceed existing business models I'm afraid. The availability of dirt-cheap dedicated FM two-way radio chips that do the bulk of the work is what makes these radios cheap, and many of these features will require substantial extra circuitry that is not commodified in the same way. The ham market is likely not big enough to support this work unless one company wants to really scale and become a proper competitor to the big 3.
SSB would be awesome. And yes, bluetooth is very important in portable applications. Built in APRS messaging could give a big boost to that mode.
SSB for mobile sat QSOs would be awesome. As well as maybe a small waterfall. Like a small ic-705 without HF.
I really like to see a radio with remote access Via internet. Really nice handy tool for repeater testing.
SSB/CW on VHF/UHF would be neat
I'd like to see USB-C everything. Charge, programming, sound interface, if possible.
A radio that does M17/Codec 2 would be neat too.
Love to see a dedicated airband radio from these manufactures. Love your videos.
I love the suggestions that people are throwing out. To add to the fray, radios with LoRa built in for Meshtastic would be fantastic.
I agree, we need some more SSB-capable VHF/UHF stuff.
1.2GHz would also be nice, as would mobiles for 220MHz and 900MHz. All three of those with SSB as well!
As Dire Straits used to sing on their song Money for Nothing - " I want my SSB".
Instill think one of the companies should make 2 triband radios. One with 2m/1.25m/70cm, and one with 33cm/23cm/13cm.
Also, I completely agree. The best way for us to protect and keep the bands we have it to use them, and if the Chinese manufacturers made inexpensive radios on some of these more obscure bands that would be great for us to get onto those bands easier and use it or lose it!
I really would like to see a CB / 11 meter handheld. There are not many, and they are expensive. Maybe it could be a 10 meter radio that can be modified to use 11m as well.
Audio quality control is what I want to see from Chinese makers. HAM radio is fun. Thanks Hayden.
Yes, SSB would be welcome.
I'd love to see a 23cm radio or if possible a 2m / 70cm / 23cm tri-band. SSB and USB sound card for digital modes would definitely also be very very appealing !
Modules that can be built into projects is my #1 want.
I'd like a 23cm radio too.
Good job, Hayden.. remember the words of Willy Wonka : "But Charlie, don't forget what happened to the man who suddenly got everything he always wanted. "Charlie : "What happened?" Willy Wonka : "He lived happily ever after." 🙂
6m 4m 2m 70cms with fm and proper ssb and 10 watts with gps and bluetooth and readable uncluttered screen and it doesn't have to be dirt cheap just good value for the money
#1 add SSB, CW. #2 add 220 (1.25m), 902/903 (33cm) and 1296 (23cm) models. #3 add digital (soundcard via USB). There are zero 900 MHz amateur rigs out there.
There are a lot of tri-banders out there already.
You asked for 1st preference, so - a 6 metre handheld with FM, AM & SSB & maybe digital. At least 5 watts or more. With a ‘proper’ SSB mute. GPS & APRS. USB C charging on the battery. Programming by phone application and chirp. A suitable point to attach a ‘tiger tail’. VFO mode as well as channelised. Decent battery duration say 10-12 hours.
2nd preference- 10 metres as above.
3rd preference 1296.
4th preference 2 metres.
Honestly, I just upgraded to my Advanced License level, I would love to try out 6m and 23cm! Seeing these bands in some new cheap radios will be awesome! Thanks for the videos Hayden :)
Congrats on your upgrade mate! Well done 👍
Along with proper SSB, Bluetooth and big battery for extended use. Any and all of the open source digital modes would be great too.
I still think an all mode 10m/11m/12m would be a winner.
I'd love more SSB on UHF.
23cm all mode walkytalky or mobile version would be exciting to get more band exploring for me :)
Agree, SSB on 2m/70cm and maybe if possible HF receive?
I want a radio that also has SSB. Radios should also come with weather band/alert.
I have one of the A36plus. The one thing I'd love to see it way more room for channel labels. Would be great to be able to put for example a repeater callsign and location in and also still have the display show the frequencies.
23cm monoband or 70/23cm maybe DMR as well like an Anytone 878 but 70/23 maybe a 978? Matching 6m and 2m?
10m momo band with ssb/am/fm. I would really love to see a 5band TX 70cm/1.25m/2m/6m/10m AM//FM/SSB. Some 2m SSB radios! 🎉❤
I would love to see a 2M version that had a port for the ability to work CW SOTA 2M . 2M CW HT would be a game changer.
I think it would be great to see a all Band, all Mode Radio. HF/UHF/VHF. Also I would like to see SSB/CW on these chinese handhelds.
"Heterodyne" frontend instead of "Direct-Conversion" ... all these current radios suffer from: Overloading /Deafening by strong out-of-band signals ... the filtering is (too) minimal ... heterodyne or superheterodyne will improve this ... and make them more sensitive also ... you get more coverage and less interference ... etc ... etc ... No problem to pay 30$ more for that.
The Wouxun I mentioned in this video is a super-het. You notice the difference!
That response was respectable. 👍
VHF SSB for sure. I'm interested in that space, but dedicated UHF/VHF SSB mobile or HT rigs are old models and comparatively expensive... You basically have to buy a shack in a box for entry level VHF SSB. I do acknowledge the high-end Icom is on the market, but it's out of my league...
I'm in southern Tas and just starting out. Could you please make a presentation about which frequencies are used for what kind of comms? In particular channels for personal comms, chat groups, etc, considering local relevance.
Hi Hayden, agreed proper SSB and a quad band 6/2/70/23 big ask, but would be great. If not a mono band 23cm with proper SSB we need more activity there. So great this manufacturer has reached out to listen, it’s a pity ICOM don’t do the same.
Agree with all said. Whatever they can do! 2M/70 SSB. 23cm (extra credit if it's ssb too) 6m/10m. of course, not in the same radio. (but that would be good too)
After your other video I noticed Radioddity has a 10 meter radio available. I've owned two G-90's and have the XPA125B amp in a setup with one just for digital. I would like to see Xiegu develop a 100 watt version of the G-90 and any other of the Chinese producers develop HF radios to compete with the ICOM's and Yaesu's. I think that's a pretty tall order and the Chinese would have to have much better engineering and quality control than in the past, but it's doable.
SSB on 2m and 70cm, 23 cm as well would be very interesting. Most of the handhelds that can do 23cm are FM only, I have avoided them because of this. 220 MHz would be of interest as well as 33cm, but for me a 23 cm radio with SSB would be of the most interest. Proper SSB on 2m and 70cm would make a radio much more useful adding 23cm, 33cm or 1.5m would be even better and command more of a premium but single band radios would also be interesting as those bands are less popular and therefor might not be a good fit for everyone.
ssb on vhf/uhf would be cool but the feature that cheaper radios lack for me is aprs. if someone can make a vhf/uhf radio with aprs (both rx/tx) under 100usd i think it would be amazing
I'd love to see a 10m (and CB) HT that does AM/FM/SSB. A 6m HT would be nice, too. 1296? Maybe.
I use my Lime Talkpod everyday for 220MHz. It really works great on 2//440 bands as well.
I would love a 23/900/6 meter set of handi talkies from Talkpod as well.
I hope they follow through.
23cm would be great! There's not a lot available for 1200MHz, especially at an entry level price. I know, because I've been looking, LOL.
I enjoyed your video Mike of you using 1.2 GHz at your last activation. Great stuff!
Waterproof, SSB on 2m, APRS, and USB C charging.
True USB-C charging, not needing a USB-A charger with an A to C cable. The standard is different per KK7LXU who works in the industry and helped to write that standard.
33cm (902-928mhz). Most underused band. Only one HT was ever made for 33cm. All the rest of us run Motorolas.
Semi related, I picked up a GA5WB for APRS but I have barely gotten it to work for APRS, it ends up sending corrupted packets and then I need to factory reset it to get it sending reasonable packets. Did you have any success or do you know if they'll maybe put out a firmware update at some point (I think the current firmware is less than 1.0 so does that mean unfinished?)
A real-time band scope - A usb c charge/program all in one socket - optimised for HF 10m + 6m (SSB/AM/FM/(FT8 macros) +3300mah battery as standard
Maybe a 2m, 70cm, 33cm tribanders that have FM and SSB capability. Maybe then 70cm, 33cm and 23cm tribanders with FM/SSB capability. Integrated TNCs on 6m, 2m, 70cm could also be a big thing, now that packet is doing a great comeback for EMCOMM.
SSB and APRS on 2m and 70 would be good and 1.2ghz. sound card and cat control
Definitely SSB for 2m and 70cm would be great. G5MAP 73.
10m, 2m, 70cm 33cm 23cm, would be great. Like to see a tri or quad 10,6,2m&70cm like the old Yeasu VX-7. 10m&6m FM,SSb radio would cool. Digital modes like DMR, P25 and Fusion. Fusion is an open source. Well all of them are open source.
A 50 or 75w 220MHz mobile with FM and SSB would be great to have.
I have a Magnum clone: an eagle Spitfire 454 (10m), and also a Tokyo Hypower HT-750 (40m,15m,6m). both SSB and CW. I'd like to have a 10/6 all mode, digital ready in one handheld. I have also had Mizuho and Nishi-Musen HF and VHF SSB handhelds. I don't know why no one makes a SSB HT, and now it should have WSJT. It's 2024!
23 cm fm, 10m ssb or vhf like you said.
I would really love to see 900mhz/33cm (902-928mhz) in analog and DMR... a dual band 400-480mhz with 4/5 watts & 902-928mhz with 2.5/3 watts would be perfect. The U.S. already has a good number of 900 repeaters, but the only 900 gear are modified Motorola or Kenwood public service gear.
A 2 metre or 70cm SSB low power rig. May be a small mobile would be great
SSB on 2m single band and a SSB 70cm-great for satellites and cheaper than 2 FT818's ,or even just a HT purely for satellite use-if you included full APRS for the ISS I bet you couldn't build them quick enough
Absolutely 23cm. I did send a message to Anytone some months ago asking them why they and most Chinese Radio Manufacturing facilities had not bought a 23cm Radio to the market as I believe it is a market worth chasing, ICOM with their 9700 seem to be the only manufacturer in that market place at the moment. I have a 9700 but not everyone can afford one and it is a band that is very vulnerable and could be swiped from the Amateur community at the drop of the hat. "They old saying if you build it they will come."
100% agree!
Definitely the 10 meter band 28.000 - 29.600 MHz and/or the 6 meter band. With good propagation, you can work around the world on 10 meters, even with a low power handheld. With a sound card built in - world wide FT8 digital
I think there's a niche for HF radios between the $120 uSDX+ and the pricier G90 & X6200 models.
A low-cost VHF/UHF handheld with an integrated TNC w/bluetooth or USB would be awesome. Or bundled with some sort of LoRa module could open up some interesting applications. SSB for 2m and 70cm on an HT would be great also!
Yep, 23cm at 2 - 5W with repeater capabilities would be very nice
One can do good things even with 23cm at 2W and a home built aerial such as 10 element Yagi or the use of a old Satellite TV dish. Rob VK2XIC.
Yes, other than 23cms… I’m ‘over’ fm and the repeaters where one seems to hear mostly woof calls, general pirating, and/or otherwise dead air.
SSB HTs would work for me!
I'm just getting back into the radio, Id like to see a 6M and a 10M SSB (health problems) 😎🇦🇺
Make an 11m SSB and the CB nuts will go wild .. especially if it's cheap
A basic, straightforward, 23cm FM monoband ... hand-held, mobile or both. This neglected band is right at the top of the "use it or lose it" list and we really need to justify the 60 MHz of spectrum allocated. Availability of budget equipment is the key.
Our club would almost certainly seek to establish a repeater if there was inexpensive gear available allowing people to use it.
Those Galileo guys really want the band. We need to fight to keep it.
I would very much enjoy a 10w 40m USB, LSB ,FM VHF/UHF handheld
What about a "do it all" radio, VHF/UHF and 220, true SSB, DMR, could it do APRS?
10 meter SSB and FM, with one of those chrome telescopic antennas that you end up bending 😂and 23 cm with atv / sstv 👍. Edit. Think I’m getting bands mixed up. ATV / sstv might be 70cm?
10m and 6m ssb and cw. am and fm handheld 5 watts would be amazing with full hf reciver would be the best selling ht ever for these Chinese manufacturers
SSB+CW in a new handheld radio, is game changer we need! I would like 10m band, followed by 2m/70cm and 6m. 73
I love all the suggestions I’m seeing. I mainly want a ruggedized replacement for the Yaesu FT-818. Give me a radio I can make a true manpack with. Japan are you listening?
Definitely need 23cm to be again offered in hand held form.
Speaker mics with displays in them please!
And NO MORE LED torches or flashing lights.
SSB for sure as well as 6M HT
Seriously, HF (10 meter if monoband) 8-10W all mode would suit me fine. AM/FM/SSB/CW with a built in sound card / cat control for digital. Even better if it's Bluetooth. 3/8" antenna on top, so no one tries to use a VHF whip on it. Think HT with a Hamstick/Gabil.
I would like a really nice VHFUHF base radio that could have maybe built-in 2 m and 70 cm with one or two module slots that you could add other things that were in your particular area
I'm okay with the bands. I want an alphanumeric diplay so I can program the repeater's callsign instead of just the frequency!