Yea, I have a degree in aeronautical engineering and remember studying this. I remember my instructor saying "...now if Stipa had put 4 of these beasties under wing of a larger aircraft, he'd have had something...."
Was thinking the EXACT same thing, ducting a Pratt and Whitney double wasp from the p47, multiplied by 4 in nacelles (which could be slightly armored even, puting a chin, rear plus top and bottom turrets with three .50 cals or some configuration of maybe twin 303,s x 2 plus 20mm cannon for defense it could have likely tripped the bomb load of the b17, and carried it just as far, faster it could have really been something then later improving it with twin 28 cylinder 3000 hp engines with superchargers for altitude, then pressurizing crew compartment puting an aiming camera system in the guns and control it from the compartment the crew could have not frozen to the extent of slower reaction time to bandits or nausea from being in a quickly spinning and even upside down gun turret physically could have provided an improved defense, ability to run, once empty of bombs it could go faster still already likely 70mph or more faster than the b-17, now we're talking
@@travisverlinde191 I tend to disagree. The P&W wasp was radial engine. Would have blocked airflow beyond the advantages given.. Would need a very narrow, very lightweight high horsepower inline engine(4,6,8,12 or greater ) to really make a difference. Or just reconfigure the Bernoulli tube and stick a big pulse jet in the middle. It will suck air in at front and blast it out out back( Similar tech is used in commercial aircraft slide bags to inflate them.)
You gotta admire how people back then had to actually put their designs to the test and often risk their lives in the process just to see if something worked.
Stupa seemed to have a great idea he couldn't expand on...not a turbofan, but a shrouded prop with a venturi behind, he was so close. Him suing for copyright infringement makes me think he had some hurt feelings when someone was able to take in that step further.
It works exactly like a turbofan. On a turbofan the majority of the thrust is provided by the huge fan which doubles as the first compressor stage. The only real difference is that Stipa used an internal combustion engine to power the fan whereas modern aircraft engines use a turbojet nestled in the heart of the duct.
@@jakelittle1261 Nicola Tesla never understood what he was playing with. Tesla wasted time on wireless power transmission and went broke. Marconi did. Marconi used radio for communication and made a mint. Both were building on the work of Heinrich Hertz who discovered radio waves in 1892 - he died two years later. Neither Tesla nor Marconi were the discoverers - they merely developed applications (which they patented). Marconi took out his first radio communication patent in 1896 in England. Tesla took out his first radio patent in 1897 in the United States. So Marconi was first but Tesla beat him to a United States patent.
This is ducted fan tech. I’ve flown RC aircraft off and on for decades and many of the “jet” engine RC aircraft are actually ducted fan powered with an internal combustion piston engine providing power for thrust.
Once in a while an old ducted fan RC jet comes up for sale at club auctions and swap meets. I never had one but they were popular for a long time. I recall the kit for an F-86
@Kirk Bolas, Yes!!! You hit that nail on the head.... And this design, like the high by-pass jet engines as compared to pure jet engines, is noticably quieter than an engine with an exposed propeller...However, the main differences between this propulsion design and an actual high-bypass jet engines seem to be : the power to weight ratio, and the AMOUNT of power, driving the 'Fan' .... Otherwise, there are a lot of similarities to a modern high-bypass jet engine....
No it isn't, it had nothing to do with jet propulsion (which works on a fundamentally different principle) and was just a bizarre dead end. A different Italian pseudo-jet design really was related to jet propulsion (also by Caproni). Note also another clickbait title.
@@brettbuck7362 You are correct, It is Obvious to everyone that you spew quite a lot of nonsense here on UA-cam and anywhere else you can get away with it!!! LOL!
@@cristianzaharescu8694 Nope! You got the wrong Romanian and the wrong year. Besides, only in Romania do people believe that Coanda invented the jet engine while everyone else points out that it's not a jet engine if there's no combustion chamber. Furthermore, the plane he built in 1910 never flew. Once the Germans and the British designed, built, and flew actual aircraft powered by actual jet engines did he start claiming that he had done it first with ever-changing stories.
Fabulous! If this had been in Studio Ghibli's The Wind Rises with other Caproni creations, most would have assumed the animators made it up for comedic effect, but it was real. It does look comical, but given the period, it has to be seen as early days, aviation developing by trying radical new ideas. Many would not work out, but some did...
Never heard of this plane before. It looks "right". 15 years after his design every fast military jet had that look - engine in a tube, wings on the side, and a bubble canopy on top.
What it is, you try stuff and see if it works. Even if it doesn't, others see it and and gives them a platform to think about things in a different way which might lead to innovation. You do get the feeling he had the concept down, just that there was one component missing to make it work, ie, jet engines which were only a few years in the future.
@@TheJhtlag The scientific method: Observation - Research - Hypothesis - Experiment - Analysis - Report Saying it is "try stuff" gives a really distorted impression of what went into the effort.
When you think about it, Stupa invented the ducted fan, and that is the future of, well, everything flying. The high bypass turbine powering the world is just a further step from this incredible aircraft.
I think the biggest problem is that the engines and materials of the time weren't advanced enough to provide the justification for the aircraft. It would be interesting to see this prototype built with a modern engine and construction techniques.
If you put the engine somewhere else like in the wings and only connect a shaft to the propeller you could get rid of the drag which hampered the Stipa Caproni. Ofc you then need sturdier wings than the little fairy wings it had ^^.
@@dangeary2134 No shit. They don't use a high bypass turbofan for their fuselage though. Is the difference really that difficult for you to understand?
A very interesting plane that was created with un-conventional methods... This design would be very effective, for short take off / landings... A lot of drag, kept the speed down, but the range was long, and the rate of climb was high...This fuuselage really reminds me of high by-pass jet engine outer cowlings, found in so many airliners and other types of planes....
@@blackcorp0001 yeah!!!! The radar folks would think it is a bird, flying at those bird-like speeds!!! Maybe a good way to disguise the plane, could be to put several flush mounted bird seed pans in the fuselage , so the birds stop and harness themselves on the fuselage for food/drinks & bird entertainment while in flight then have them escort this bomber/recon aircraft to the areas of concern... Again, the radar folks will think it's just a group of birds.... 😲
I thought it was a racing plane. There are several designs that look like this even to this day. It's just a tube imagine how light it was even though it looked fat.
Thanks for the history lesson. As a history buff I'm always interested in untainted and straight up history without a bunch of embellishments of others! 💯👍
What jumps out at me is the elliptical wings. Seems to be a very early example of that air foil. The brits used it on the spitfire, but the american P47 also owed some of its speed advantage to the elliptical wing.
The great Italian chef Enrico Cannelloni was much impressed by the design of the Stipa-Caproni. He eventually bought the patent and successfully turned it into pasta.
The first thing I thought of was that it looked like a ducted fan with the fuselage being the duct. It also reminds me of a high bypass jet engine with the jet replaced with a piston engine.
This aircraft was the first to use a shrouded propeller. The advantage of this arrangement over a "free-running" propeller is that the shroud reduces thrust losses due to turbulence at the blade tips of the propeller. There is an increase in power relative to diameter, but not in propeller efficiency. The first mention of the shrouded propeller is found in 1918 in a patent specification of Mercur Flugzeugbau GmbH. This describes a "device for improving the efficiency of propellers" based on the use of guide vanes with adjustable pitch and a ring surrounding the propeller.
Weirdest thing I've ever seen! Thanks for bringing this unusual, to say the least, aircraft to our attention. As always God bless you and yours and thanks again for everything you do!
Victor Schauberger was neither Australian, nor a "crack-pot". He was Austrian, and a brilliant naturalist who contributed greatly to the understanding of forest management and natural water flow.
1:55 The 1920's?? Daniel Bernoulli published his "Hydrodynamica" in 1738. Nevertheless, thanks for creating and posting this video. I remember reading about this airplane (along with many other oddities such as the German Horten bomber) in an oversized comic book back in the late '60's. Fascinating stuff!
Also: _ a reasonably well known axiom?_ An aeronautical engineer not familiar with Bernoulli’s principle would have been an odd fish indeed, whatever the date. Also: There is a bit more to Bernoulli’s principle than that.
The Bernoulli principle actually states that "the internal pressure of a fluid decreases and its speed increases". It doesn't say anything about a tube because that's irrelevant.
Wow! This literally brought tears to my eyes! The design of this aircraft resembles the design I put in early 1990s to build my own aircraft, although mine used a jet engine! I've had never known about Stipa-Caproni till now! I was young and full of ideas and dreams ;(
Finally an Italian design, I love your videos! Please! Cover also the history behind MC. 72 the fastest seaplane in the world since 1934, 709,209 km/h (441 mph)! The record still holds today!!!
@@darkgeneral0192 The Convair F2Y Sea Dart was more than a concept. It was a supersonic delta-winged seaplane and several of the aircraft were built and flown.
NACA published an study, conducted under supervision of mr Stipa himself, providing evidence of too much drag. Can be located ay UK Cranfield repository. Blessings +
As an Italian airplane enthusiast I know very well the peculiar looking Stipa Caproni airplane. In this Luigi Stipa demonstrated a high engineering skill but ultimately this airplane never really caught the interest of the aviation because did not offered advantage compared to the conventional airplanes. Sadly Stipa was embittered by this lack of interest and never having received what he viewed as his just recognition for inventing the jet engine. Honestly I find it stretching a bit too much his claim but he definitely should have been supported much more by the authorities of the Italian Regia Aereonautica......
I'd say turbofan is a stretch. However, ducted fan is a possibility. I think Boeing entertained the idea of using ducted turboprop pusher configuration with counterotating props on a modified 727, but never went to production because of noise and other issues.
You can imagine the guy sitting there sweating the design parameters and thinking "There's got to be a way to make it look less like a flying pig, but the maths just works."
What he should have done was build it as a dual engine with the cockpit in the middle and that would have solved most of the problems with view and turning
I only knew this plane from photographs. It seemed to me that it was just a suggestion. And when I saw the video, I was shocked. Smooth flight. Thanks for the video.
Caproni studied at the Montefiori Institute of Liege, where he met Henri Coanda ( yes, that one ), who displayed a similar, piston powered, ducted centrifugal rotor design at the 1910 Paris Aeronautics exhibition.
This is one of those that, if you HAD ever heard of it before, it would have probably been in the context of one of those "the most stupid aircraft ever!" vids. But it seems to have worked. I wonder what kind of performance it could have had if they'd resurrected the concept a few years later and contrived to squeeze, say, a DB601 into it
man I think it looks awesome and for the time definitely a huge engineering feat. I bet it handled relatively well. I'd love to have one today, could you imagine the looks you would get flying that 😂 I think it's awesome. thanks for the video
Great idea for delivering large pipe. Stap on wings,cockpit, landing gear, engine inside with remote control. Flying pipes, great for remote location oil pipelines. 😉
I like how you show film of random aircraft (US P-26, Fairey Battle, etc.) while talking about the completely unrelated Caproni. Confusion always aids comprehension.
Now, imagine a blimp where the main propulsion is two engines with large slower propellers operating within a tube down the center and that tube is a large proportion of the structure of the blimp.... imagine the blimp made almost entirely out of stealthy materials and the interior tube also housing all fuel, and the avionics as well as other systems.
well, being a *blimp*, stealthy materials are not going to save it from having the radar cross-section of a postal code. However, ducted fans (which this is the first example of) are used in lighter-than-air craft.
9:50 ‘Austrian crackpot’? I think this man has a high reputation not only for profound research into Nature’s applications of powerful reserves in latent energy defying conventional mechanical explanation - and also for demanding humane and respectful conditions for his allotted captive assistants from SS masters who in other cases expended their energies and worked them to death under the terrifying conditions of Nazi Germany.
@@HubertofLiege Sounded like that to me but he was an Austrian naturalist and animal lover - he didn’t even like to be near the atom-smashing experiments near him - completely holistic it seems.
When I hear such clearly out of place and incorrect assertions as "Australian crackpot" I presume an agenda and tend to be wary of whatever else is said.
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Yea, I have a degree in aeronautical engineering and remember studying this. I remember my instructor saying "...now if Stipa had put 4 of these beasties under wing of a larger aircraft, he'd have had something...."
Was thinking the EXACT same thing, ducting a Pratt and Whitney double wasp from the p47, multiplied by 4 in nacelles (which could be slightly armored even, puting a chin, rear plus top and bottom turrets with three .50 cals or some configuration of maybe twin 303,s x 2 plus 20mm cannon for defense it could have likely tripped the bomb load of the b17, and carried it just as far, faster it could have really been something then later improving it with twin 28 cylinder 3000 hp engines with superchargers for altitude, then pressurizing crew compartment puting an aiming camera system in the guns and control it from the compartment the crew could have not frozen to the extent of slower reaction time to bandits or nausea from being in a quickly spinning and even upside down gun turret physically could have provided an improved defense, ability to run, once empty of bombs it could go faster still already likely 70mph or more faster than the b-17, now we're talking
@@travisverlinde191 I tend to disagree. The P&W wasp was radial engine. Would have blocked airflow beyond the advantages given.. Would need a very narrow, very lightweight high horsepower inline engine(4,6,8,12 or greater ) to really make a difference. Or just reconfigure the Bernoulli tube and stick a big pulse jet in the middle. It will suck air in at front and blast it out out back( Similar tech is used in commercial aircraft slide bags to inflate them.)
I like how it’s essentially a big ducted fan with wings, stabilizers, and a cockpit attached to it…
basically anyone's first plane in ksp
Looks like one of my notebook doodles from elementary school when I was obsessed with ww2 for some reason
that it entirely what it is
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You gotta admire how people back then had to actually put their designs to the test and often risk their lives in the process just to see if something worked.
Absolutely. Watch Franz Reichelt plummet from the Eiffel Tower with his self designed parachute.
Dude; Tails wouldn't touch that flying abomination. As a true Tails fan you should know that; 'cause that flying sausage ain't no Tornado.
They still do, there’s just a much longer set of initial tests before they leave the ground for the first time.
Because they didn't have access to the cheap computational modeling tools of today.
software creates cowards, lack of software creates people with giant, sun-eclipsing balls of chromium
Stupa seemed to have a great idea he couldn't expand on...not a turbofan, but a shrouded prop with a venturi behind, he was so close.
Him suing for copyright infringement makes me think he had some hurt feelings when someone was able to take in that step further.
It works exactly like a turbofan. On a turbofan the majority of the thrust is provided by the huge fan which doubles as the first compressor stage. The only real difference is that Stipa used an internal combustion engine to power the fan whereas modern aircraft engines use a turbojet nestled in the heart of the duct.
The Caproni Campini N1 took the concept one step further and added an afterburner…
What if you put this shroud around a bombers engines in nacelles in a flying wing design?
Says the anonymous cowardly infant!
@@jakelittle1261 Nicola Tesla never understood what he was playing with.
Tesla wasted time on wireless power transmission and went broke.
Marconi did. Marconi used radio for communication and made a mint.
Both were building on the work of Heinrich Hertz who discovered radio waves in 1892 - he died two years later. Neither Tesla nor Marconi were the discoverers - they merely developed applications (which they patented).
Marconi took out his first radio communication patent in 1896 in England.
Tesla took out his first radio patent in 1897 in the United States.
So Marconi was first but Tesla beat him to a United States patent.
This is ducted fan tech. I’ve flown RC aircraft off and on for decades and many of the “jet” engine RC aircraft are actually ducted fan powered with an internal combustion piston engine providing power for thrust.
This is interesting to read! Thanks for sharing this info 👍
Neat
Once in a while an old ducted fan RC jet comes up for sale at club auctions and swap meets. I never had one but they were popular for a long time. I recall the kit for an F-86
@@C.Mc. well said my friend
@Kirk Bolas, Yes!!! You hit that nail on the head.... And this design, like the high by-pass jet engines as compared to pure jet engines, is noticably quieter than an engine with an exposed propeller...However, the main differences between this propulsion design and an actual high-bypass jet engines seem to be : the power to weight ratio, and the AMOUNT of power, driving the 'Fan' .... Otherwise, there are a lot of similarities to a modern high-bypass jet engine....
Actually, this Italian effort is recognized and credited as a foundation in jet design, even if the patent is not.
No it isn't, it had nothing to do with jet propulsion (which works on a fundamentally different principle) and was just a bizarre dead end. A different Italian pseudo-jet design really was related to jet propulsion (also by Caproni). Note also another clickbait title.
@will hardy +1 for that one!
@will hardy Frankly, it seemed obvious.
@@brettbuck7362 You are correct, It is Obvious to everyone that you spew quite a lot of nonsense here on UA-cam and anywhere else you can get away with it!!! LOL!
Feels like they accidentally made the first thrust vectoring aircraft by putting those tail controls right after the “nozzle”
Pretty sure it wasn't accidental.
you ain't wrong.
Nope! Traian Vuia invented and flew the first jet plane in 1912!
@@cristianzaharescu8694 Nope! You got the wrong Romanian and the wrong year. Besides, only in Romania do people believe that Coanda invented the jet engine while everyone else points out that it's not a jet engine if there's no combustion chamber. Furthermore, the plane he built in 1910 never flew. Once the Germans and the British designed, built, and flew actual aircraft powered by actual jet engines did he start claiming that he had done it first with ever-changing stories.
@@CaptHollister yep! you are right about everything but one thing! The plane actually flew!
I have been an aircraft enthusiast since childhood, but I have never seen that Fat Airplane. Thanks Dark Skies for another great documentary video.
Same here
Check out the Gee Bee racer. It was from the 1930s and would fly at 300 mph. They look the same, but were full of engine, and crashed easily.
Designer: Do you want me to start with the engine or create the airframe’s fuselage?
Government: Yes.
Imagine walking down the street, and you hear some buzzing in the air behind you, and you look up and one of those is bearing down on you...
It looks right. Something about it, it just gives you that feeling.
Italians: are known for their love to beauty and sport shapes
Also Italians:
Fabulous! If this had been in Studio Ghibli's The Wind Rises with other Caproni creations, most would have assumed the animators made it up for comedic effect, but it was real. It does look comical, but given the period, it has to be seen as early days, aviation developing by trying radical new ideas. Many would not work out, but some did...
It would have been a great addition to Porco Rosso.
Hayao Miyazaki lead the way🇮🇹
This is a great episode! I'm an aerospace engineer, but never learned about this aircraft until now! Thanks for presenting it!
Never heard of this plane before. It looks "right". 15 years after his design every fast military jet had that look - engine in a tube, wings on the side, and a bubble canopy on top.
You should check out the Custer Channel Wing
That is awesome! Very innovative. It’s a shame the design was not viable or exploited in its time.
It was impractical and fragile, the Military wasn't interested.
It wasn't exploited because it was not viable.
What it is, you try stuff and see if it works. Even if it doesn't, others see it and and gives them a platform to think about things in a different way which might lead to innovation. You do get the feeling he had the concept down, just that there was one component missing to make it work, ie, jet engines which were only a few years in the future.
@@TheJhtlag The scientific method:
Observation - Research - Hypothesis -
Experiment - Analysis - Report
Saying it is "try stuff" gives a really distorted impression of what went into the effort.
@@shadowopsairman1583 Big area to shot at, for one.
I love it. It's brilliant. Certainly not a perfectly designed aircraft, but a well executed concept.
When you think about it, Stupa invented the ducted fan, and that is the future of, well, everything flying. The high bypass turbine powering the world is just a further step from this incredible aircraft.
I think the biggest problem is that the engines and materials of the time weren't advanced enough to provide the justification for the aircraft. It would be interesting to see this prototype built with a modern engine and construction techniques.
OOOOHH YEAH!!! TOTALLY WOULD BE COOL! 😍😍👌👌👍😄😀
If you put the engine somewhere else like in the wings and only connect a shaft to the propeller you could get rid of the drag which hampered the Stipa Caproni. Ofc you then need sturdier wings than the little fairy wings it had ^^.
@@thingamabob3902 Engines to day are probably much more powerful than the same size engines of that day, so that alone may solve the drag problem.
@@ffjsb definitely more powerful, but then you still have wasted energy you could put to use if you optimize
@@thingamabob3902 I wouldn't call it wasted energy, I think it would translate into more speed.
It'd be interesting to see a modern interpretation of this, with a high bypass turbofan
It would probably be something like the a-wing in Star Wars fast but difficult to steer well
This is also an annular wing, which is probably more interesting than the ducted fan ( given every turbofan is also a ducted fan ).
You have: an AB 380 engine, but with the cockpit on top of the engine instead of in the fuselage.
Nearly every jumbo jet has high bypass turbofans mounted on the wings.
@@dangeary2134 No shit. They don't use a high bypass turbofan for their fuselage though. Is the difference really that difficult for you to understand?
A very interesting plane that was created with un-conventional methods... This design would be very effective, for short take off / landings... A lot of drag, kept the speed down, but the range was long, and the rate of climb was high...This fuuselage really reminds me of high by-pass jet engine outer cowlings, found in so many airliners and other types of planes....
Carrier based stealth bombers ?
@@blackcorp0001 yeah!!!! The radar folks would think it is a bird, flying at those bird-like speeds!!! Maybe a good way to disguise the plane, could be to put several flush mounted bird seed pans in the fuselage , so the birds stop and harness themselves on the fuselage for food/drinks & bird entertainment while in flight then have them escort this bomber/recon aircraft to the areas of concern... Again, the radar folks will think it's just a group of birds.... 😲
this is the first jet engine concept ever invented, whatc it like a engine whit wings, italy was the first
@@michaelmartinez1345 the birds work for the bourguoisie
@@karimshebeika8010 Good one!!! Maybe they will get more water & seed in their feeders!!! 🐦
Quite the unusual aircraft, but interesting nonetheless.
The USA BeeGee aircraft from 1932... built in Springfield, Massachusetts. Very similar.
I thought it was a racing plane. There are several designs that look like this even to this day. It's just a tube imagine how light it was even though it looked fat.
Quite the interesting aeroplane, but unusual nonetheless.
Neat
Reminds me of the gee bee race plane
or what Jim Winchester calls it in his book "a sewer pipe with wings"
Thanks for the history lesson. As a history buff I'm always interested in untainted and straight up history without a bunch of embellishments of others! 💯👍
Don't you dare body shame that plane by calling it fat! It's full figured and should be proud. 😆
ha ha ha haaa, love that comment. soon we will be forced to become obese by peer pressure. and its pleasantly plump.
The Dark Skies narrator constantly speaks with the tone of voice as though everything is a secret conspiracy. Hard to take seriously.
What jumps out at me is the elliptical wings. Seems to be a very early example of that air foil. The brits used it on the spitfire, but the american P47 also owed some of its speed advantage to the elliptical wing.
Literally a flying engine, a good example of modern turbofan engine
Keep doing what you do so well. There are may military pers out here that haven't even seen info like this.
Well done.
L'AEREO BARILE!!!!!! FINALLY!!! thanks for the vid!!!
You sure do get a lot of mileage out of 4.5 seconds of clip footage. How resourceful!
The great Italian chef Enrico Cannelloni was much impressed by the design of the Stipa-Caproni. He eventually bought the patent and successfully turned it into pasta.
The first thing I thought of was that it looked like a ducted fan with the fuselage being the duct. It also reminds me of a high bypass jet engine with the jet replaced with a piston engine.
This aircraft was the first to use a shrouded propeller. The advantage of this arrangement over a "free-running" propeller is that the shroud reduces thrust losses due to turbulence at the blade tips of the propeller. There is an increase in power relative to diameter, but not in propeller efficiency. The first mention of the shrouded propeller is found in 1918 in a patent specification of Mercur Flugzeugbau GmbH. This describes a "device for improving the efficiency of propellers" based on the use of guide vanes with adjustable pitch and a ring surrounding the propeller.
Weirdest thing I've ever seen! Thanks for bringing this unusual, to say the least, aircraft to our attention. As always God bless you and yours and thanks again for everything you do!
Victor Schauberger was neither Australian, nor a "crack-pot". He was Austrian, and a brilliant naturalist who contributed greatly to the understanding of forest management and natural water flow.
1:55 The 1920's?? Daniel Bernoulli published his "Hydrodynamica" in 1738. Nevertheless, thanks for creating and posting this video. I remember reading about this airplane (along with many other oddities such as the German Horten bomber) in an oversized comic book back in the late '60's. Fascinating stuff!
Also: _ a reasonably well known axiom?_ An aeronautical engineer not familiar with Bernoulli’s principle would have been an odd fish indeed, whatever the date.
Also: There is a bit more to Bernoulli’s principle than that.
The Bernoulli principle actually states that "the internal pressure of a fluid decreases and its speed increases". It doesn't say anything about a tube because that's irrelevant.
And Viktor wasn’t Australian. He was Austrian. 🤣🤣🤣 Great work!
This is awesome. Simple and to the point
Awesome as well as informative! Thank you for bringing it to us! 🤓
Also, I wouldn't necessarily call him a crackpot, as his ideas were powerful and still resonate with many to this day.
Great story, well researched and delivered.
When all the narration is uttered with breathless urgency, none of it has breathless urgency.
Contours. Phrasing.
It's wonderful! So chunky. I bet the elevator was very effective being directly within the prop stream.
This barrel airplane is simply ingenious.
Very innovative and ahead of his time. Thinking out of the box for sure.
Modeled after a bumble bee. I don't know that, but look at it! Great vid :)
No way this unusual looking plane's engine can overheat. Impressed nevertheless. 👏
I don't think the Stipa-Caproni looks ugly. It definitely looks goofy as heck, but I think that's what makes it so wholesome too.
Wow! This literally brought tears to my eyes! The design of this aircraft resembles the design I put in early 1990s to build my own aircraft, although mine used a jet engine! I've had never known about Stipa-Caproni till now!
I was young and full of ideas and dreams ;(
And now we are old and full of angst......
"Tears to my eyes" One of the most worn out fake phrases used for comments.
Schauberger : Austrian not Australian
There are no kangaroos in Austria
Finally an Italian design, I love your videos! Please! Cover also the history behind MC. 72 the fastest seaplane in the world since 1934, 709,209 km/h (441 mph)! The record still holds today!!!
Thats not true, the usa made a jet seaplane concept
@@alexander1485 keyword? Concept
@@darkgeneral0192 The Convair F2Y Sea Dart was more than a concept. It was a supersonic delta-winged seaplane and several of the aircraft were built and flown.
@@soaringvulture propelled, not jet engined.
I particularly like the narrator's vocal delivery, no nonsense!
Has anyone done a computerized aerodynamic study of this design? I would think that we could learn a lot about this design by computer flying it.
It's kind of like the old sabres and other early jets.
NACA published an study, conducted under supervision of mr Stipa himself, providing evidence of too much drag. Can be located ay UK Cranfield repository. Blessings +
Fascinating. "Close but no cigar." Thanks.
As an Italian airplane enthusiast I know very well the peculiar looking Stipa Caproni airplane. In this Luigi Stipa demonstrated a high engineering skill but ultimately this airplane never really caught the interest of the aviation because did not offered advantage compared to the conventional airplanes. Sadly Stipa was embittered by this lack of interest and never having received what he viewed as his just recognition for inventing the jet engine. Honestly I find it stretching a bit too much his claim but he definitely should have been supported much more by the authorities of the Italian Regia Aereonautica......
One of my favorite channels.
I can see it being a direct predecessor to the modern turbo fan engine. It looks like one, but with wings
Its more a direct predecessor of the Kort nozzle (1934)- the only thing this has in common with a turbofan is the round shape.
Genuinely fascinating.
If Dyson had built an airplane
I had forgotten this plane existed but your video has jogged the memories of my youth
I'd say turbofan is a stretch. However, ducted fan is a possibility. I think Boeing entertained the idea of using ducted turboprop pusher configuration with counterotating props on a modified 727, but never went to production because of noise and other issues.
You can imagine the guy sitting there sweating the design parameters and thinking "There's got to be a way to make it look less like a flying pig, but the maths just works."
What he should have done was build it as a dual engine with the cockpit in the middle and that would have solved most of the problems with view and turning
I only knew this plane from photographs. It seemed to me that it was just a suggestion. And when I saw the video, I was shocked. Smooth flight. Thanks for the video.
Imagine if it had an engine from a late ww2 plane and two props push and pull.
Enjoyed your video so I gave it a Thumbs Up
DA TOOOOB!
Caproni studied at the Montefiori Institute of Liege, where he met Henri Coanda ( yes, that one ), who displayed a similar, piston powered, ducted centrifugal rotor design at the 1910 Paris Aeronautics exhibition.
If he used two tubes, one on each side, he would have had a modern jet like the ME 262
That is the coolest thing I have ever seen...😎. Mad props, no punn intended....
This is one of those that, if you HAD ever heard of it before, it would have probably been in the context of one of those "the most stupid aircraft ever!" vids. But it seems to have worked. I wonder what kind of performance it could have had if they'd resurrected the concept a few years later and contrived to squeeze, say, a DB601 into it
A ducted engine for the body and stubby wings... Let's get skunkworks make a jet version and call it the Starfighter
man I think it looks awesome and for the time definitely a huge engineering feat. I bet it handled relatively well. I'd love to have one today, could you imagine the looks you would get flying that 😂 I think it's awesome. thanks for the video
I think it self-stabilizes, so when you turn you have to fight the natural stabilization. He mentioned in the video it was hard to turn.
That is fascinating,your documentaries are excellent.
Great idea for delivering large pipe. Stap on wings,cockpit, landing gear, engine inside with remote control. Flying pipes, great for remote location oil pipelines. 😉
Reminds me of Snoopy on top of his dog house, chasing the Red Baron.
It honestly looks like Spy Smasher's "gyro sub". It could fly too!
I think the plane looks awesome!
I like how you show film of random aircraft (US P-26, Fairey Battle, etc.) while talking about the completely unrelated Caproni. Confusion always aids comprehension.
This is SOP for the Dark documentary series.
Someone could always volunteer to do CGI versions of never-built aircraft for illustrative purposes.
But bitching is easier, I guess.
Neat
Make it big enough and you can carry passengers.
Everyone gets a window seat.
This would be perfect for a Minion movie.
I believe you meant to say Austrian instead you said Australian. No big deal. Incredibly interesting plane. Love your docs
@@jakelittle1261 He's talking about the V Schauberger reference, not the replica. Schauberger was Austrian.
Wow, thanks for bringing this to our attention !
Now, imagine a blimp where the main propulsion is two engines with large slower propellers operating within a tube down the center and that tube is a large proportion of the structure of the blimp.... imagine the blimp made almost entirely out of stealthy materials and the interior tube also housing all fuel, and the avionics as well as other systems.
Now imagine a horse drawn carriage. And a steam locomotive. And any other obsolete technology. Them put a gps in it. Viola! Innovation!
well, being a *blimp*, stealthy materials are not going to save it from having the radar cross-section of a postal code. However, ducted fans (which this is the first example of) are used in lighter-than-air craft.
Pointless
As soon as the video mentioned compressed air, I was thinking "jet engine". That's so cool!!!
Genuinely interesting. It's a shame the Italians didn't have the foresight to give them more room to work on his project.
Well, it was the Italians that funded the original effort. A lot of good engineering comes from Italy.
It was not a successful design - no amount of doing was going to make this design less draggy.
So futuristic ❤
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‘Austrian crackpot’?
I think this man has a high reputation not only for profound research into Nature’s applications of powerful reserves in latent energy defying conventional mechanical explanation - and also for demanding humane and respectful conditions for his allotted captive assistants from SS masters who in other cases expended their energies and worked them to death under the terrifying conditions of Nazi Germany.
Australian?
@@HubertofLiege
Sounded like that to me but he was an Austrian naturalist and animal lover - he didn’t even like to be near the atom-smashing experiments near him - completely holistic it seems.
Neat
Yeah, calling him a crackpot is way out of line. Even if he was a little eccentric he was obviously a brilliant guy.
When I hear such clearly out of place and incorrect assertions as "Australian crackpot" I presume an agenda and tend to be wary of whatever else is said.
This would be an absolute superstar at any aircraft show! The cutest aircraft ever built :)
Porco Rosso :P
Porco wouldn't be caught dead flying that slug. 🙄
Great anime!!
@@lancerevell5979 true, but it was designed by an Italian
I can't imagine how they would have made Jet engines without this as the forerunner.
El caproni Stipa, si no me equivoco
Ich vertehe Sie nicht!
This plane chaged the history forever,how?
big chungus plane
bring back the chungus!
I love Chungus!
Omg. Subbed based in the fact this was NOT clickbait.
Tank's to you! Cheers from Brazil.
Very interesting video. Thank you.
What a strange and interesting aircraft. Never seen it before. But i like it. . Good show. 👍😊
I think this is the coolest plane I've ever seen!
WHAT A BEAUTIFUL AIRCRAFT!
🤔🤔🤔. Great information on a cutting edge idea...😃
Excellent video.
really enjoyed this video thank you for talking slower it really makes this interesting to listen to