After watching all the charging issues with your Mach-E road trip, it's somewhat reassuring to watch this video from a few months earlier to see that constant charging issues are not inevitable with all non-Tesla EVs.
I am from India and I am shocked you guys have too many charging point and we even don't how it's work and you guys are so lucky you have those empty and good roads
There is an EA station at Walmart about 10 miles east of the "Dayton" Supercharger. I have never seen anybody there. I dont use it, because a Volt can generate its own electricity from gasoline cheaper than 31c/kWh.
I really enjoy your videos man. I stumbled across your channel when I wanted to find out what an EV road trip would be like and you did a great job demonstrating that. We bought a model 3 and love it!
Thanks for this video. I'm buying a 2021 Prestige in the coming weeks and this was a good watch. I commute 65 daily round trip for work. I think this is going to be perfect.
Hi Kyle - great video. I have been waiting for your e-tron road trip. Love that car. Glad to hear your thoughts about it. It is a beast. Think, however, I would like to see ID4 and Audi Q4 e-tron first. More my size. Being in the 60+ age group ride quality - including quietness - is important to me. Sounds like the Audi excels there. I believe you said the ID4 was quiet and smooth too. One bit of data you may add to your video's - especially when you go off the beaten path - like this one - is how many miles it would have been in a ICE car vs what you ended up doing in a electric car having to follow the charger route. Thanks - love your stuff.
My wife and I just got back from a 2700mi road trip in the vehicle (South Carolina to Texas). Easy, flawless, quiet, comfortable, inexpensive trip without any range/charging issues save for a very minor issue at the EA in East Point, GA (just have to use stall #4). Averaged 390wh/mi for the trip with an average speed over 2700mi of 63mph. High, but I had some Twitter folks tell me during the trip that their X is about the same. I don't know. EA has gotten so much better that now I just do what the route planner says rather than safety-charge to 100% at every stop due to prior EA uncertainties. I've thrown caution to the wind as far as managing efficiency as well (used to watch my speed, watch climate controls, etc.), again because EA is improving so rapidly since June. After this trip, we're more in love with this vehicle. Thought I might sell it a couple months ago, but that's a huge negative right now. We just turned 20,000mi on it in less than 5mo ownership, so unless the vehicle starts to have reliability issues I'm pretty sure we're keeping it at least until the Q4 e-tron (MEB platform) and e-tron GT is released. There are things i prefer from our Tesla as well as things I prefer from our Audi, for of course each brand has their own sets of strengths and weaknesses. Wish some of these prefered qualities could be found in a single EV. Right now, for us at least, no such car exists. That said, however, if we had to choose between our Tesla and Audi, we're more inclined to keep the Audi based on what we deem valuable in our road-trip vehicles. We're headed from South Carolina to Scottsdale, AZ in the e-tron next... Sometime first of next year if my wife can work it out on her end. Can't wait. This Texas trip was such a pleasure.
@Mark Guggenheim The new E tron Q4 will be very good in efficiency and range an will compete with Model Y and ID 4 as well as Skoda enyac (only europe)
Great video Boss. I personally love the eTron. I think it's a great EV. Looking forward to your next video on the eTron. Were you using the seat massagers all the way from start to finish of your trip?
@@OutofSpecMotoring In 80-ties Mercedes Benz lobbied US congress to prohibit gray imports of cars from Europe. Maybe it is time to lobby the ability to import new EVs from Europe if they are not officially sold in the USA?
I have the same attitude about travel........relax and enjoy the ride. So stopping to charge doesn't sound like too much of a hassle. But I can envision my husband having a heart attack. His main travel goal is "see how fast I can make it". I want an EV but fear he will not do well on road trips! We don't do many but they do happen occasionally!
Same here. Seriously looking at the Tesla MY. Had always admired the Audi Q5 but really want to go EV. Tesla’s greater range and faster more available charging stations are probably the most my SO could tolerate in road tripping with an EV.
Absolutely could be a faster road tripper than many Teslas, but the EA infrastructure sucks hard. I just did 2000 miles and all but 2-3 stops had issues.
Kyle, you can adjust the Audi planner, you can uncheck level 2 and only leave fast chargers and HPC only so you get 50-350kW chargers only .. my wife been driving her eTron so hard her GOM shows like 170 miles as well .. she also uses EA there is like 3 location around our area she has been using the Free EA charging that came from Audi .. As for chargers being down that issue affects every charging network, including Tesla, some area the chargers just seems more reliable than others, but if you check the Tesla around me today you will see 2 units out of 12 still down .. but yeah Tesla does have more plugs but the power is also shared and the SC by me most people I talk to their don’t even have a house and they use the SC once or twice a week, the SC is always pack however no one like to share charger so out of the 10 working plugs only 5 normally charging.. so having more plugs sometimes don’t mean much if you don’t want to share .. Also we did a 750 mile trip with the eTron driving the same route as we did in our old Model X and the trip in the eTron was quicker overall, so truly I don’t get the big deal others talk about on the eTron range .. faster charging for the win! Kyle once again truly great 👍 content... more please!
@@nevco8774 Well to be fair the performance was amazing the first few months showing off to friends and family, however the many issues with the air ride system, rear door sensors, panel gap alignment, snow and build up rain getting in the car when the rear door is open, the design of the rain/water guide needs redesign, going to service for so many issues since the car was new some never got fix or can’t be ... noise starting to come from the rear motor was the last straw.. for the cost was the worst experience vs the Mercedes the model X had replace .. and I won’t even mention FSD we paid for that we never gotten .. however if we ignore all the quality issues ... the car had amazing performance and we got allot of looks from people every time we open up the rear doors .. but sometimes we had wish the rear doors was normal tho..
I’m thinking of getting an EV because I want the ultimate relaxation/isolation car. How quiet is the model x on the hwy? Recently test drove the model y and it was very quiet on local roads. But once I got onto the hwy, the road and wind noise was really loud. The etron seems to be extremely quiet - I wonder if the Model X is any better. Thanks.
@@Wasabi9111 Model X or any Tesla models are not on the level tof he comfort and quiteness of the EV models from Audi: one of the reason E tron is the most popular SUV EV here in Europe. Model X has the edge on range but Audi win in build quality and thier tech is amazing. E tron Q4 is a more effiecient with great range with all the Audi features. It will come next year.
@@Wasabi9111 I wouldnt buy the Model X. Maybe after there is a facelift version from it, instead go with the Model Y, or the new tesla model 3, if it has enough space for you
What charger? That is amazing, did they not notice the construction activity when it was being put in? Did you pick up five gallons of oil at Exxon when you got the oil change reminder? Look forward to the oil change video!
Man those free charging stations are sweet.. big time score IMO (based on what you said in the video... Something like $30-33 for a full charge at one of the stations you were looking up 😳)
Would be so cool to have a dB meter when doing roadtrips so we can see the amount of noise each cars produces on same or similar route inside the cabin!
In New Zealand our rapid charger network charges 25 NZ cents per kWh and 25 cents per minute at 50kw chargers, the per minute charge halves at the 25kw chargers and at hyper chargers i think its just a flat 60 cents per kWh. Always interesting to see pricing differences.
I have thought about the kWh versus time pricing structure and think time is better even if it punishes me for having a Leaf that charges at the slow end of the scale. My thinking is there are limited number of chargers so it is better to encourage people to unplug once they are past the efficient part of their cars charging curve allowing quicker turnover of the charger.
With all the road construction and repair going on and much more ahead, detours and delays create a big headache. And, if there is an accident, might as well park on the shoulder and wait for a Greyhound. Wish you could keep your hands on the wheel while driving.
I understood the difference between charging by Kw v. Minute is a state law thing. That is, some states only allow states that are energy providers to charge by the Kw, otherwise you must charge by the minute (or some time unit). Not sure if it works in reverse, i.e., you can charge by minute anywhere. BTW, I currently own a TESLA Model 3 LR AWD (2019 model). Looking to sell it to try out another EV. I take monthly trips to my parents’ house in upstate NY from Virginia Beach. I’m looking to up the comfort factor and love Audis. I traded my 2017 Audi Q7 to get the Model 3. Wanted to get the e-tron when they first came out, but they had some initial pains in the beginning with the charging cables and fires, so they stopped sales for a bit. I wound up going with the Tesla. Can you discuss more about your comparison between the Tesla and Audi on long trips; likes/dislikes? Thanks!
Should do a side by side roadtrip at the same time with the model Y to compare. That has dual pane glass now too but obviously will be louder then the etron still. You say the range difference is so little but I have a feeling its more then you alluded to, only one way to tell, test same day same time same road.
if you check eg TeslaBjorn’s 1000km tests, there probably wouldn’t be a big difference between the two. Audi would stop more often but charge faster. Apart from comparing purely for the stats, I doubt the difference would be meaningful for a real user that wasn’t doing A:B comparisons
I have the same 2019 Tesla Model 3 and 2nd EV 2022 Audi E Tron combination. In my shorter drives to LV from California desert had many of the same comparative experiences.
I decided on one of these as my second car instead of a model X. Both these cars have dropped dramatically in price. Feb 24 when I am writing this. I got a white prestige plus 2019 with 47k miles for $27k. Truly a beautiful car, and a steal for the quality in it. I saw plenty online for 23k-24k with more miles.
Great review as always do you ever try and use "A Better Route Planner" It might be interesting to see how that works and let it navigate and Link in with the vehicle which I think it's possible to do over an OBD2 Bluetooth. Keep up the great work
I own one of these. Edition One: Only 900 made world wide. 9K miles as of 1/24/24. It is the bomb. I drive it just to drive it. I only paid $37K out the door
Since your podcast a few weeks ago where you said that the Audi e trons have come down in price so much and are a good deal I have been looking at a lot of videos most of yours especially one in regards towing there's not many out there but one question where somebody said that you could not charge and have the AC running or leave somebody in the car and have the AC running but you just answered that question that way I was wondering about in this video so thank you very much The content excellent as usual that you're right the e-tron 2019 are a deal at the moment you can find some that only have 12K and they're under $40,000 and that's the prestige I'm looking to maybe tow a small box trailer to work and back I average about 70 mi a day and I think this would work perfectly I have all my tools in the back of the trailer but still gathering information first thing I've got to do is to get a charge installed at the house
There are plenty of people who don’t even know electric cars exist... and even more who know they exist but think they’re either extremely expensive or just glorified golf carts. Especially in rural America.
Well that's actually mostly true. They ARE extremely expensive by most people's standards Tesla, Audi, etc or they are sort of golf carts Smart EV, the new Kandi, the Bolt EV is nice but considered small by most people's standards. People in Rural America tend to be cautious, and careful. They don't jump on bandwagons first. Also more of them need range, and towing and cargo. Which limits what cars they consider useful and practical to them. There is a reason why they like pickups .. they do anything and everything.
Go Tigers!!! love your videos.. keep it coming. My next car will be an EV. I live in a place where there is a Tesla charger, but no EA or any other station. -from a fellow tiger:)
This just makes me more convinced that I'm staying with an ice unless it's Tesla for at least 5 years. There's a general attitude of ev drivers to accept major inconveniences and well as extremely higher cost at these fast chargers.
Things are changing fast. I am staying with my ICEVs for now, but I won’t be buying anymore new ICEVs. In 5 years EVs will have better range than ICEVs and large “gas” stations will have fast chargers.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q update: I ordered a Tesla. It's really the only viable ev for someone wanting to do road trips right now. Electrify America is more expensive than gas.
In my opinion, as long as you have to "plan your road trip" with charging stations in mind, e-vehicles are not yet ready for prime time, though they're fine city use. I rather go with a hybrid for now, which gives me a piece of mind of not getting stranded somewhere in the mountains while on a vacation. Also the myth that electricity in the US is a clean energy source is false, since most electricity is still being generated by "dirty" means, because idiot politicians are afraid of nuclear energy, which statistically happens to be the safest, most efficient, and economical of then all.
@@mattahmann < Unfortunately there's still a lot coal being burned, and the wind turbines aren't as environmental friendly as most people think. They are expensive, need a lot of maintenance, kills a lot of birds, and the more we put up it will change the environment due to slowing down the air stream.
Hi Kyle, I also enjoy all your videos! I’m finally down to choosing between 2 EVs and your videos have really helped. They are the 2022 Etron and iX. Availability is playing a factor unfortunately. Etron I can likely get later summer, when I’d like it. Your videos show you love both EVs. I don’t do long road trips so I’m lowering my range priority to help justify the Etron. And Etron will be less $ 10k the way I’m specing them. Your thoughts please?
So, I like the Etron. cool car, and i do agree with what you say that electricity doesn't have to be cheaper than gasoline (although this would be a motivator for people to upgrade, and wth the price of electricity as utility in home charging, solar power, this would be a great car); for road trips, Etron kinda sucks despite is great charging capacity and range. I would be about $31 for about 151 miles on electricity on an eTRON. a gasoline powered Audi Q7 (slightly larger car) woudl cost about $15 at today's average fuel price, and I could go 300 miles on said Q7. If you take a hybrid Q5 (another car I'm considering, but its smaller than the eTron) woudl cost about $12 for 151 miles and you could go almost 390 miles on that car for the same $31 price! so, when you take a cross country trip you'd end up paying twice as much or even more with an etron. Great road tripping car as far as charging and range, but sonsumption is WAY MORE EXPENSIVE than gas. See, I'm looking for a electric vehicle. But I need cargo capacity, so Etron is the most tempting out of the current bunch becasue is has a very useable cargo space with its square (albeit less aerodynamic shape). I wouldn't mind Model Y or iPace, but iPace too expensive (though so is Etron) and both model Y and ipace are too small for my needs. I don't care for model X that much, and that is even more expensive. so, I end up looking at cars like a hybrid Volvo SUV or a truck (Hummer EV? Cybertruck its not for me... :) ) Point is, I'd take enough road trips where I'd have to end up getting a second vehicle and even a Ford $-150 with the V6 Ecoboost would be a cheaper car for longer trips.... yeah. an F-15 would be similar MPG on road as a Q7.....
take a look at the Merc EQC. It's still hungry but quite a bit better than the Audi. Check Bjorn Nyland here on youtube. He does an absolutely stellar job of reviewing EV's.
Please just remember that this Audi E-Tron is an ultra premium car with a base starting price of $65,900, so it better work as well as it did with it's fast charging rate. Most people can't afford a 65,900 EV car.
Considering this model. How comfy are the messaging seats? Currently have a 2020 explorer st with Message seats so was wondering how the might compare? Thank you for your dedication to the EV reviews!!
If you got to get somewhere over 170 miles in a day, and it's a high priority.... look into an Audi Q5 or Q7, Porsche Cayenne or VW Touareg in the turbodiesel TDI versions. Stopping to recharge is a waste of time compared to 600 to 800 miles on a 5 minute diesel fill up.
I am so glad to see this pop up in my feed. I have the Audi Q7 currently. Have been crying over not being more patient to buy the Tesla Model Y. The E-tron is the Q7 electrified, right? How does it compare in your opinion? I know you mentioned cost to charge in the video. For perspective, I pay about $60 bucks for a tank of premium gas and get about 400 miles. So it's pretty much in line with that cost.
@@sarahironsbaker5228 I hear you. And as high as gas is now it may still go higher. But I have to believe this is tied to the Ukraine conflict which won’t last forever. … And the price of the Model Y will buy a lot of gas. Finally, here’s something noone talks about. An EV turns a ICE trip of 6 hrs into 8, an 8 hr trip into 10-11. I think there’s a safety cost here in driver fatigue and exhaustion.
I have the Prius Prime which is a decent compromise EV/HV since we have a short commute. My guess is 80-90% of our regular driving will be EV and roadtrips will be HV. I think our next car will be full EV depending on how charging stations roll out. There are none in my suburb in Ontario, Canada for example.
I’m interested in what the trip length would’ve been if you use the optimal path between your two destinations compared against the path you took to make sure you had adequate charging. I’d also be interested in how much time was spent charging the vehicle overall.
When you did the range test with the Audi Q8 etron and your black etron, the efficiency for the older etron was 3miles per kwh. The Q8 etron was 2.9 miles per kwh. how come this is 2 miles per kwh.
It’s his friends car, he mentioned how the bar has a crack on the top and water go into it causing it to glitch, apparently his friend was gonna fix it but didnt
You are blessed with low energy prices - here in Germany it's between 39 to 77 cents / kWh, but if you drive a luxury vehicle you don't care - same with large ICE SUV´s, you know what you are getting.
Which would you prefer to roadtrip in, Audi E-Tron or Cadillac Lyriq? Both have about the same size battery, similar interior size, similar seating position, similar charging speed, massaging seats, great tech, etc.
yes.. it's "damaging more" the battery.. so if you can, charge it with the slowest rate possible.. I almost never go to supercharge station because I always use wall charger on my home. but it's okay to use supercharge on a roadtrip once a while..
Yes.......... I want to make my trip across a beautiful landscape to be about where the next charger is...........NOT!!!!! You do YOU and I’ll do ME!!! EV ‘s are great ....”for some”.
After watching your road trips for awhile I've come to conclusion that the CCS network needs to be creating expanded especially is smaller cities and large towns!
Kyle, I did a comparison of your trip from Rocky Mount, NC to Louiville, KY with what the on-line Tesla trip plan calculates for the Model Y Long Range. Here are the numbers: E-tron: 665 miles, 12 hr 42 min., 5 charging stops, ~2.75 hrs charging, 218 kWh consumed, cost @ $0.31/kWh = $67.58 Model Y: 632 miles, 12 hr, 4 charging stops, 2.0 hrs charging, 177 kWh consumed, cost @ $0.26/kWh = $46.02 E-tron efficiency: 328 Wh/mi Model Y efficiency: 280 Wh/mi
Another great video. Love watching all the places you travel to in your Tesla. I will be buying my first Tesla soon. And one that I am interested in is in California. Maybe you can help me out. I live in the Nashville TN area. And would be flying to Cosa Mesa CA to pick up the Model X. And driving it back to TN. I am very worried about doing that. Because of range anxiety. Do you know if there are enough Tesla charges? For me to stop at. That I wouldn't be worried about running out of charge.
Would buying this model today be a good buy or what comparable car would be better? I like the space, I have two kids that are still on carseats and want to be comfortable. Also the price for this car today isn't bad. I don't plan on doing long roadtrips, I'll use my gas car for that.
Hey Kyle, thanks for doing videos like this. Tesla makes it so easy to do, as you've shown in other road trip videos. It is nice to see non-Tesla EV's doing longer trips, and how much more planning they take to do it. And this is probably one thing scaring non-EV owners away from trying them, even if they never take road trips, or at least really long ones like you've done. I hope that the public charging network continues to grow so naysayers have even less excuses to try an EV, especially as they get lower prices, higher range, and faster charging.
I use 50 kWh chargers all the time on my leaf. Stop saying they are no use to anyone. I had a model 3 using one next too me with his chademo adaptor. Bolts and leafs I 3 can’t charge that fast and I can’t get a Tesla or etron so for 6 years I am happy when they install a ChargePoint were I want to go
You say it's only slightly less than the tesla but that's the standard range... I have regularly made trips in our long range of 280-290 miles with 10%+- left. And then there's the charging network. In a year, hopefully that will be resolved and I love the look of the E-tron but I need a bit more before I'd be ready to buy. The F150 though. Hmmm lol
Thanks. This effort gives an indication of how much extra time and thought must go into traveling with a non Tesla EV. In a simple ice you could have concentrated on the end objective and the drive.
How about discounts on Electrify America as permanent customer? The reason I am asking is watching videos of TeslaBjorn from Norway saying that Ionity, the counterpart of Electrify America in Europe, has great discounts for permanent customers paying a small monthly fee.
Thank you Kyle this is such a helpful video, I take delivery of my E-Tron Sportback mid December. EV's are now at a stage that range anxiety should be a thing of the past. The UK Government has just announced that new ICE cars will be banned from 2030 and they are investing a couple of billion pounds in improving our charging infrastructure. Very exciting times! Best wishes to you sir.
Great video! Nice to see some more US content about the Audi e-tron, which is actually the most sold car (regardless of class and fuel type) here in Norway in 2020. For example, the e-tron has outsold the TMX 18:1! I think some of the reason is that we use WLTP, which makes it easier to compare electric cars in general.. Some comments: - You’d get 5-10% better range and even better comfort with the 19 or 20 inch wheels, which are narrower. (The recommended tire pressure is also a bit on the low side.) With that extra range, and some more experience with the limits of the car, you’d have an even better trip. With less motorway, you can easily go 230-240 miles. I’ve done 270 miles without hypermiling at all, but when the roads allow an average of only 45 mph. - The route planner in your test vehicle seems like it’s still on the old software. Which you confirm in regards to the oil change error. I’ve never seen that. With the latest software, it should be able to pick the fastest chargers just fine. I’d say as good my Model S back in 2017. 🙂 It’s still a bit conservative though, and while you can choose between routes in the car, or in the Audi app, I like to plan my trips over at abetterrouteplanner.com for even more choices- and a better overview. With Premium you get live traffic, weather, you can prioritize charging networks, pick chargers, set thresholds, etc. etc. *I think you’re absolutely right though. While some of us enjoy this, and it works fine, normal people will run into problems on long trips with all other EVs than Tesla, even today.* The HPC CCS network in Northern Europe is getting really good, and you don’t have these vast distances as in the US, but the charging providers must start using common platforms and follow the standards that actually exists. Even Plug & Charge exists. ua-cam.com/video/wmWpdjSGSbM/v-deo.html We can’t continue to have different apps and RFID tags for all of them. And we need reliable live status, in the car or the cars app. - You’re right about the GOM, it changes based on destination (elevation, speed limits etc). 👍 If you loook at the estimated SoC on arrival in the route plan, and keep 5-10% buffer, and you can’t go wrong. Except if the destination is a single 50 kW charger which can be out of order or busy.. Luckily, we see fewer of these overs here nowadays. Keep up the good work! I really like your EV content and your open mindedness.
My wife is getting her first EV and your channel is very helpful.
After watching all the charging issues with your Mach-E road trip, it's somewhat reassuring to watch this video from a few months earlier to see that constant charging issues are not inevitable with all non-Tesla EVs.
Hey Kyle, I just wanted to say how much I LOVE your channel! Keep up the amazing work
Hey, thanks!
I am from India and I am shocked you guys have too many charging point and we even don't how it's work and you guys are so lucky you have those empty and good roads
There is an EA station at Walmart about 10 miles east of the "Dayton" Supercharger. I have never seen anybody there. I dont use it, because a Volt can generate its own electricity from gasoline cheaper than 31c/kWh.
Great video! love to see how Audi is coming along and how the Etron handles long trips.
I really enjoy your videos man. I stumbled across your channel when I wanted to find out what an EV road trip would be like and you did a great job demonstrating that. We bought a model 3 and love it!
Thanks for this video. I'm buying a 2021 Prestige in the coming weeks and this was a good watch. I commute 65 daily round trip for work. I think this is going to be perfect.
I'm taking my E-tron on a road trip from Chicago to Denver in a few weeks. Thanks for this video using it as a study guide! haha. I'm super nervous!!
Hi Kyle - great video. I have been waiting for your e-tron road trip. Love that car. Glad to hear your thoughts about it. It is a beast. Think, however, I would like to see ID4 and Audi Q4 e-tron first. More my size. Being in the 60+ age group ride quality - including quietness - is important to me. Sounds like the Audi excels there. I believe you said the ID4 was quiet and smooth too. One bit of data you may add to your video's - especially when you go off the beaten path - like this one - is how many miles it would have been in a ICE car vs what you ended up doing in a electric car having to follow the charger route. Thanks - love your stuff.
I was so damn happy when it rained so it could wash off the bug guts off the windshield 😂
I agree with your ETron cons...efficiency is even a lot worse as it starts getting colder out. That said I still love the car!
There is no way the second generation of Audi Etron to not get better efficiency and less thirstiness.
My wife and I just got back from a 2700mi road trip in the vehicle (South Carolina to Texas). Easy, flawless, quiet, comfortable, inexpensive trip without any range/charging issues save for a very minor issue at the EA in East Point, GA (just have to use stall #4).
Averaged 390wh/mi for the trip with an average speed over 2700mi of 63mph. High, but I had some Twitter folks tell me during the trip that their X is about the same. I don't know.
EA has gotten so much better that now I just do what the route planner says rather than safety-charge to 100% at every stop due to prior EA uncertainties. I've thrown caution to the wind as far as managing efficiency as well (used to watch my speed, watch climate controls, etc.), again because EA is improving so rapidly since June.
After this trip, we're more in love with this vehicle. Thought I might sell it a couple months ago, but that's a huge negative right now. We just turned 20,000mi on it in less than 5mo ownership, so unless the vehicle starts to have reliability issues I'm pretty sure we're keeping it at least until the Q4 e-tron (MEB platform) and e-tron GT is released.
There are things i prefer from our Tesla as well as things I prefer from our Audi, for of course each brand has their own sets of strengths and weaknesses. Wish some of these prefered qualities could be found in a single EV. Right now, for us at least, no such car exists. That said, however, if we had to choose between our Tesla and Audi, we're more inclined to keep the Audi based on what we deem valuable in our road-trip vehicles.
We're headed from South Carolina to Scottsdale, AZ in the e-tron next... Sometime first of next year if my wife can work it out on her end.
Can't wait.
This Texas trip was such a pleasure.
@@genyosai thank you Nicholas for your comment - you have both a Tesla and an Audi which is really rare!
@Mark Guggenheim
The new E tron Q4 will be very good in efficiency and range an will compete with Model Y and ID 4 as well as Skoda enyac (only europe)
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 Yes. I just love cars/car tech, and wish to experience as much as I can.
The e-tron featured in this video is mine, btw 🙂
Cool to see you drove to Dobson and up I-77 to VA. Beautiful drive up the mountain
Great video Boss. I personally love the eTron. I think it's a great EV. Looking forward to your next video on the eTron. Were you using the seat massagers all the way from start to finish of your trip?
Love your road trips although not an EV owner yet.
This is my first non-tesla roadtrip UA-cam video
Nc native here! My 19 e-tron drive to Raleigh is so smooth on comfort! lol
I would love to see you come to Europe and try 'our' cars: Peugeot e208, Renault Zoé, Volkswagen ID3,...
As soon as it's safe and borders are open! - Kyle
@@OutofSpecMotoring In 80-ties Mercedes Benz lobbied US congress to prohibit gray imports of cars from Europe. Maybe it is time to lobby the ability to import new EVs from Europe if they are not officially sold in the USA?
The Audi e tron is produced in Belgium , brussels so it is defenitely european haha.
@@mcjhd2567 But you can buy E tron in the US, but not e208, Zoe or the ID3
@@jonpetter8921 the id3 will come soon probably haha
I’ve spent so much time at the Bristol, VA location! It’s never busy there! Love your reviews!
I have the same attitude about travel........relax and enjoy the ride. So stopping to charge doesn't sound like too much of a hassle. But I can envision my husband having a heart attack. His main travel goal is "see how fast I can make it". I want an EV but fear he will not do well on road trips! We don't do many but they do happen occasionally!
Same here. Seriously looking at the Tesla MY. Had always admired the Audi Q5 but really want to go EV. Tesla’s greater range and faster more available charging stations are probably the most my SO could tolerate in road tripping with an EV.
Absolutely could be a faster road tripper than many Teslas, but the EA infrastructure sucks hard. I just did 2000 miles and all but 2-3 stops had issues.
crazy and most satisfying review I've ever viewed, thank you so much, plz upload some extra info you experience.
Nobody does a better full review. I have no idea why you guys don't have more subscribers across your platforms.
I honestly do not understand it either
Haha I loved the part where the gas station staff didn't even know about the charger
Let's gooo i love the roadtrips
thx 4 the vid...i respect your opinion and viewpoint, u have the ability 2 see great things about many diff electric cars...great job...peace
Great vid. Just signed on for an etron yesterday. Now I am doing research to find out what I am getting lol
Complimentary charge makes EA like a supercharger!! Plug and charge!
As a Model Y owner the Electrify America, if you can get them to work, are so... slow...
I'd love that button to stop and release on my model 3.
Has Audi updated the software since this video? How often does Audi provide a software update, and how is it administered?
Cheers from my hometown of Louisville, hope you liked our little city!!
Kyle, you can adjust the Audi planner, you can uncheck level 2 and only leave fast chargers and HPC only so you get 50-350kW chargers only .. my wife been driving her eTron so hard her GOM shows like 170 miles as well .. she also uses EA there is like 3 location around our area she has been using the Free EA charging that came from Audi ..
As for chargers being down that issue affects every charging network, including Tesla, some area the chargers just seems more reliable than others, but if you check the Tesla around me today you will see 2 units out of 12 still down .. but yeah Tesla does have more plugs but the power is also shared and the SC by me most people I talk to their don’t even have a house and they use the SC once or twice a week, the SC is always pack however no one like to share charger so out of the 10 working plugs only 5 normally charging.. so having more plugs sometimes don’t mean much if you don’t want to share ..
Also we did a 750 mile trip with the eTron driving the same route as we did in our old Model X and the trip in the eTron was quicker overall, so truly I don’t get the big deal others talk about on the eTron range .. faster charging for the win!
Kyle once again truly great 👍 content... more please!
Can you share your family reason to switch from Model X to Etron? Thanks.
@@nevco8774 Well to be fair the performance was amazing the first few months showing off to friends and family, however the many issues with the air ride system, rear door sensors, panel gap alignment, snow and build up rain getting in the car when the rear door is open, the design of the rain/water guide needs redesign, going to service for so many issues since the car was new some never got fix or can’t be ... noise starting to come from the rear motor was the last straw.. for the cost was the worst experience vs the Mercedes the model X had replace .. and I won’t even mention FSD we paid for that we never gotten .. however if we ignore all the quality issues ... the car had amazing performance and we got allot of looks from people every time we open up the rear doors .. but sometimes we had wish the rear doors was normal tho..
I’m thinking of getting an EV because I want the ultimate relaxation/isolation car. How quiet is the model x on the hwy?
Recently test drove the model y and it was very quiet on local roads. But once I got onto the hwy, the road and wind noise was really loud. The etron seems to be extremely quiet - I wonder if the Model X is any better. Thanks.
@@Wasabi9111 Model X or any Tesla models are not on the level tof he comfort and quiteness of the EV models from Audi: one of the reason E tron is the most popular SUV EV here in Europe. Model X has the edge on range but Audi win in build quality and thier tech is amazing.
E tron Q4 is a more effiecient with great range with all the Audi features. It will come next year.
@@Wasabi9111 I wouldnt buy the Model X. Maybe after there is a facelift version from it, instead go with the Model Y, or the new tesla model 3, if it has enough space for you
What charger?
That is amazing, did they not notice the construction activity when it was being put in? Did you pick up five gallons of oil at Exxon when you got the oil change reminder? Look forward to the oil change video!
Man those free charging stations are sweet.. big time score IMO (based on what you said in the video... Something like $30-33 for a full charge at one of the stations you were looking up 😳)
Really nice video! Greetings from germany (e-tron & ioniq electric owner)!
Would be so cool to have a dB meter when doing roadtrips so we can see the amount of noise each cars produces on same or similar route inside the cabin!
In New Zealand our rapid charger network charges 25 NZ cents per kWh and 25 cents per minute at 50kw chargers, the per minute charge halves at the 25kw chargers and at hyper chargers i think its just a flat 60 cents per kWh. Always interesting to see pricing differences.
I have thought about the kWh versus time pricing structure and think time is better even if it punishes me for having a Leaf that charges at the slow end of the scale. My thinking is there are limited number of chargers so it is better to encourage people to unplug once they are past the efficient part of their cars charging curve allowing quicker turnover of the charger.
It's good to see actual trip videos on ev cars, now we only need the inferstructor 8n australia
Loving the Clemson headrest covers. Go Tigers!
Nice headrest covers. Greetings from Clemson, SC :)
With all the road construction and repair going on and much more ahead, detours and delays create a big headache. And, if there is an accident, might as well park on the shoulder and wait for a Greyhound. Wish you could keep your hands on the wheel while driving.
I understood the difference between charging by Kw v. Minute is a state law thing. That is, some states only allow states that are energy providers to charge by the Kw, otherwise you must charge by the minute (or some time unit). Not sure if it works in reverse, i.e., you can charge by minute anywhere. BTW, I currently own a TESLA Model 3 LR AWD (2019 model). Looking to sell it to try out another EV. I take monthly trips to my parents’ house in upstate NY from Virginia Beach. I’m looking to up the comfort factor and love Audis. I traded my 2017 Audi Q7 to get the Model 3. Wanted to get the e-tron when they first came out, but they had some initial pains in the beginning with the charging cables and fires, so they stopped sales for a bit. I wound up going with the Tesla. Can you discuss more about your comparison between the Tesla and Audi on long trips; likes/dislikes? Thanks!
Should do a side by side roadtrip at the same time with the model Y to compare. That has dual pane glass now too but obviously will be louder then the etron still. You say the range difference is so little but I have a feeling its more then you alluded to, only one way to tell, test same day same time same road.
Great idea!
e-tron suspension is a bit boomy, curious to hear how Model Y compares.
if you check eg TeslaBjorn’s 1000km tests, there probably wouldn’t be a big difference between the two. Audi would stop more often but charge faster. Apart from comparing purely for the stats, I doubt the difference would be meaningful for a real user that wasn’t doing A:B comparisons
@@MrKlawUK mkay
I have the same 2019 Tesla Model 3 and 2nd EV 2022 Audi E Tron combination. In my shorter drives to LV from California desert had many of the same comparative experiences.
I decided on one of these as my second car instead of a model X. Both these cars have dropped dramatically in price. Feb 24 when I am writing this. I got a white prestige plus 2019 with 47k miles for $27k. Truly a beautiful car, and a steal for the quality in it.
I saw plenty online for 23k-24k with more miles.
Thanks so much for a great video, a roadtrip in a time of lockdown. I wish my tesla had a CCS1 adapter.
Maybe Tesla in the future will use CCS combo 2 as standard, also in USA
Kyle, it would be more informative if you could mention the number of seconds the charging station handshake takes.
I love the etron
Great review as always do you ever try and use "A Better Route Planner"
It might be interesting to see how that works and let it navigate and Link in with the vehicle which I think it's possible to do over an OBD2 Bluetooth.
Keep up the great work
Enjoyed this video so much.
I own one of these. Edition One: Only 900 made world wide. 9K miles as of 1/24/24. It is the bomb. I drive it just to drive it. I only paid $37K out the door
Kyle are you noticing any booming sounds while driving on mildly imperfect roads? I hear super low frequencies in mine and it really bothers my ears.
Wonder about the Audi’s reliability for long term. Looks like pure quality.
Since your podcast a few weeks ago where you said that the Audi e trons have come down in price so much and are a good deal I have been looking at a lot of videos most of yours especially one in regards towing there's not many out there but one question where somebody said that you could not charge and have the AC running or leave somebody in the car and have the AC running but you just answered that question that way I was wondering about in this video so thank you very much The content excellent as usual that you're right the e-tron 2019 are a deal at the moment you can find some that only have 12K and they're under $40,000 and that's the prestige I'm looking to maybe tow a small box trailer to work and back I average about 70 mi a day and I think this would work perfectly I have all my tools in the back of the trailer but still gathering information first thing I've got to do is to get a charge installed at the house
There are plenty of people who don’t even know electric cars exist... and even more who know they exist but think they’re either extremely expensive or just glorified golf carts. Especially in rural America.
@@shaharzeevstorch3516 Sure, which will likely be laughed at by most rural midwesterners. Lol
The US is so big. I think you would have similar anecdote in a rural place in Russia lol
Well that's actually mostly true. They ARE extremely expensive by most people's standards Tesla, Audi, etc or they are sort of golf carts Smart EV, the new Kandi, the Bolt EV is nice but considered small by most people's standards.
People in Rural America tend to be cautious, and careful. They don't jump on bandwagons first.
Also more of them need range, and towing and cargo. Which limits what cars they consider useful and practical to them.
There is a reason why they like pickups .. they do anything and everything.
@@kens97sto171 True!
Go Tigers!!! love your videos.. keep it coming. My next car will be an EV. I live in a place where there is a Tesla charger, but no EA or any other station. -from a fellow tiger:)
This just makes me more convinced that I'm staying with an ice unless it's Tesla for at least 5 years. There's a general attitude of ev drivers to accept major inconveniences and well as extremely higher cost at these fast chargers.
Things are changing fast. I am staying with my ICEVs for now, but I won’t be buying anymore new ICEVs. In 5 years EVs will have better range than ICEVs and large “gas” stations will have fast chargers.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q update: I ordered a Tesla. It's really the only viable ev for someone wanting to do road trips right now. Electrify America is more expensive than gas.
In my opinion, as long as you have to "plan your road trip" with charging stations in mind, e-vehicles are not yet ready for prime time, though they're fine city use. I rather go with a hybrid for now, which gives me a piece of mind of not getting stranded somewhere in the mountains while on a vacation. Also the myth that electricity in the US is a clean energy source is false, since most electricity is still being generated by "dirty" means, because idiot politicians are afraid of nuclear energy, which statistically happens to be the safest, most efficient, and economical of then all.
@@BillAnt a big source of electricity in the United States is natural gas and it is a lot better for the environment than petroleum.
@@mattahmann < Unfortunately there's still a lot coal being burned, and the wind turbines aren't as environmental friendly as most people think. They are expensive, need a lot of maintenance, kills a lot of birds, and the more we put up it will change the environment due to slowing down the air stream.
Hi Kyle, I also enjoy all your videos! I’m finally down to choosing between 2 EVs and your videos have really helped. They are the 2022 Etron and iX. Availability is playing a factor unfortunately. Etron I can likely get later summer, when I’d like it. Your videos show you love both EVs. I don’t do long road trips so I’m lowering my range priority to help justify the Etron. And Etron will be less $ 10k the way I’m specing them. Your thoughts please?
200 miles is kind of a short range for such an expensive car... on my kona I get 230 easily and is half of the price.
Agreeded, I get 160 miles of my vw egolf that cost $25k. The EPA on my egolf is 125 but I’m averaging 160-165.
So, I like the Etron. cool car, and i do agree with what you say that electricity doesn't have to be cheaper than gasoline (although this would be a motivator for people to upgrade, and wth the price of electricity as utility in home charging, solar power, this would be a great car); for road trips, Etron kinda sucks despite is great charging capacity and range.
I would be about $31 for about 151 miles on electricity on an eTRON. a gasoline powered Audi Q7 (slightly larger car) woudl cost about $15 at today's average fuel price, and I could go 300 miles on said Q7.
If you take a hybrid Q5 (another car I'm considering, but its smaller than the eTron) woudl cost about $12 for 151 miles and you could go almost 390 miles on that car for the same $31 price! so, when you take a cross country trip you'd end up paying twice as much or even more with an etron. Great road tripping car as far as charging and range, but sonsumption is WAY MORE EXPENSIVE than gas.
See, I'm looking for a electric vehicle. But I need cargo capacity, so Etron is the most tempting out of the current bunch becasue is has a very useable cargo space with its square (albeit less aerodynamic shape). I wouldn't mind Model Y or iPace, but iPace too expensive (though so is Etron) and both model Y and ipace are too small for my needs. I don't care for model X that much, and that is even more expensive. so, I end up looking at cars like a hybrid Volvo SUV or a truck (Hummer EV? Cybertruck its not for me... :) ) Point is, I'd take enough road trips where I'd have to end up getting a second vehicle and even a Ford $-150 with the V6 Ecoboost would be a cheaper car for longer trips.... yeah. an F-15 would be similar MPG on road as a Q7.....
take a look at the Merc EQC. It's still hungry but quite a bit better than the Audi. Check Bjorn Nyland here on youtube. He does an absolutely stellar job of reviewing EV's.
I would love to see that car. I'm literally right across the river from Louisville. New albany indiana
Please just remember that this Audi E-Tron is an ultra premium car with a base starting price of $65,900, so it better work as well as it did with it's fast charging rate. Most people can't afford a 65,900 EV car.
Looking forward to the video!
Boy the music gets old. These trips while possible sure seem like a lot more effort and time versus gas.
Considering this model. How comfy are the messaging seats? Currently have a 2020 explorer st with Message seats so was wondering how the might compare? Thank you for your dedication to the EV reviews!!
A great life for those who have absolutely nothing to do.
You mean like watching youtube videos like this?
If you got to get somewhere over 170 miles in a day, and it's a high priority.... look into an Audi Q5 or Q7, Porsche Cayenne or VW Touareg in the turbodiesel TDI versions. Stopping to recharge is a waste of time compared to 600 to 800 miles on a 5 minute diesel fill up.
I am so glad to see this pop up in my feed. I have the Audi Q7 currently. Have been crying over not being more patient to buy the Tesla Model Y. The E-tron is the Q7 electrified, right? How does it compare in your opinion? I know you mentioned cost to charge in the video.
For perspective, I pay about $60 bucks for a tank of premium gas and get about 400 miles. So it's pretty much in line with that cost.
Your Audi Q7 will get 575 miles of range from a 5 min fuel stop. That’s a pretty good tradeoff even over a Tesla.
@@gerrythekay That 60 is now 120 per tank. I picked up my Model Y last week.
@@sarahironsbaker5228 I hear you. And as high as gas is now it may still go higher. But I have to believe this is tied to the Ukraine conflict which won’t last forever. … And the price of the Model Y will buy a lot of gas. Finally, here’s something noone talks about. An EV turns a ICE trip of 6 hrs into 8, an 8 hr trip into 10-11. I think there’s a safety cost here in driver fatigue and exhaustion.
I have the Prius Prime which is a decent compromise EV/HV since we have a short commute. My guess is 80-90% of our regular driving will be EV and roadtrips will be HV. I think our next car will be full EV depending on how charging stations roll out. There are none in my suburb in Ontario, Canada for example.
another good video but you never posted the part 2
@34.50 he didn’t even realize the truck load of Mercedes AMG GTR driving by 😳😳
I’m interested in what the trip length would’ve been if you use the optimal path between your two destinations compared against the path you took to make sure you had adequate charging. I’d also be interested in how much time was spent charging the vehicle overall.
When you did the range test with the Audi Q8 etron and your black etron, the efficiency for the older etron was 3miles per kwh. The Q8 etron was 2.9 miles per kwh. how come this is 2 miles per kwh.
You need to get your rear light bar fixed. Mine was doing the same thing.
It’s his friends car, he mentioned how the bar has a crack on the top and water go into it causing it to glitch, apparently his friend was gonna fix it but didnt
I saw that too… For a minute I thought the rear light bar was showing the battery charge percent. Lol
You are blessed with low energy prices - here in Germany it's between 39 to 77 cents / kWh, but if you drive a luxury vehicle you don't care - same with large ICE SUV´s, you know what you are getting.
how about a comparison of all night driving with lights on vs all day with not?
Which would you prefer to roadtrip in, Audi E-Tron or Cadillac Lyriq? Both have about the same size battery, similar interior size, similar seating position, similar charging speed, massaging seats, great tech, etc.
I wonder if the fast charging is damaging the batteries.
yes, it's hard on the extended life of the battery.
yes.. it's "damaging more" the battery.. so if you can, charge it with the slowest rate possible.. I almost never go to supercharge station because I always use wall charger on my home.
but it's okay to use supercharge on a roadtrip once a while..
Yes.......... I want to make my trip across a beautiful landscape to be about where the next charger is...........NOT!!!!! You do YOU and I’ll do ME!!! EV ‘s are great ....”for some”.
Obviously they don’t keep the window squeegees at the chargers like at the gas pumps.
After watching your road trips for awhile I've come to conclusion that the CCS network needs to be creating expanded especially is smaller cities and large towns!
A trailer full of some sweet Mercedes at 34:48
Kyle, I did a comparison of your trip from Rocky Mount, NC to Louiville, KY with what the on-line Tesla trip plan calculates for the Model Y Long Range. Here are the numbers:
E-tron: 665 miles, 12 hr 42 min., 5 charging stops, ~2.75 hrs charging, 218 kWh consumed, cost @ $0.31/kWh = $67.58
Model Y: 632 miles, 12 hr, 4 charging stops, 2.0 hrs charging, 177 kWh consumed, cost @ $0.26/kWh = $46.02
E-tron efficiency: 328 Wh/mi
Model Y efficiency: 280 Wh/mi
Another great video. Love watching all the places you travel to in your Tesla. I will be buying my first Tesla soon. And one that I am interested in is in California. Maybe you can help me out. I live in the Nashville TN area. And would be flying to Cosa Mesa CA to pick up the Model X. And driving it back to TN. I am very worried about doing that. Because of range anxiety. Do you know if there are enough Tesla charges? For me to stop at. That I wouldn't be worried about running out of charge.
Would buying this model today be a good buy or what comparable car would be better? I like the space, I have two kids that are still on carseats and want to be comfortable. Also the price for this car today isn't bad. I don't plan on doing long roadtrips, I'll use my gas car for that.
We have a 2019. Best damn EV that everyone overlooks!
@@mikhaelborgonos7854 what makes you love yours?
Hey Kyle, thanks for doing videos like this. Tesla makes it so easy to do, as you've shown in other road trip videos. It is nice to see non-Tesla EV's doing longer trips, and how much more planning they take to do it. And this is probably one thing scaring non-EV owners away from trying them, even if they never take road trips, or at least really long ones like you've done. I hope that the public charging network continues to grow so naysayers have even less excuses to try an EV, especially as they get lower prices, higher range, and faster charging.
@22:45 I think there used to be a bug which prevented unplugging while the auxiliary AC was running, I suppose that one is now fixed?
I was trying to clean my screen thinking it was dirty when it’s your windshield
I use 50 kWh chargers all the time on my leaf. Stop saying they are no use to anyone. I had a model 3 using one next too me with his chademo adaptor. Bolts and leafs I 3 can’t charge that fast and I can’t get a Tesla or etron so for 6 years I am happy when they install a ChargePoint were I want to go
Hey Kyle,
In summers you should do a road trip in Alberta,Canada.
Just waiting to see beautiful prairies.
You say it's only slightly less than the tesla but that's the standard range... I have regularly made trips in our long range of 280-290 miles with 10%+- left. And then there's the charging network. In a year, hopefully that will be resolved and I love the look of the E-tron but I need a bit more before I'd be ready to buy. The F150 though. Hmmm lol
Thanks. This effort gives an indication of how much extra time and thought must go into traveling with a non Tesla EV.
In a simple ice you could have concentrated on the end objective and the drive.
How about discounts on Electrify America as permanent customer? The reason I am asking is watching videos of TeslaBjorn from Norway saying that Ionity, the counterpart of Electrify America in Europe, has great discounts for permanent customers paying a small monthly fee.
They have that
Thank you Kyle this is such a helpful video, I take delivery of my E-Tron Sportback mid December. EV's are now at a stage that range anxiety should be a thing of the past. The UK Government has just announced that new ICE cars will be banned from 2030 and they are investing a couple of billion pounds in improving our charging infrastructure. Very exciting times! Best wishes to you sir.
18:00 strange things are afoot at the circle k.
Great license plate!
Great video! Nice to see some more US content about the Audi e-tron, which is actually the most sold car (regardless of class and fuel type) here in Norway in 2020. For example, the e-tron has outsold the TMX 18:1! I think some of the reason is that we use WLTP, which makes it easier to compare electric cars in general.. Some comments:
- You’d get 5-10% better range and even better comfort with the 19 or 20 inch wheels, which are narrower. (The recommended tire pressure is also a bit on the low side.) With that extra range, and some more experience with the limits of the car, you’d have an even better trip. With less motorway, you can easily go 230-240 miles. I’ve done 270 miles without hypermiling at all, but when the roads allow an average of only 45 mph.
- The route planner in your test vehicle seems like it’s still on the old software. Which you confirm in regards to the oil change error. I’ve never seen that. With the latest software, it should be able to pick the fastest chargers just fine. I’d say as good my Model S back in 2017. 🙂 It’s still a bit conservative though, and while you can choose between routes in the car, or in the Audi app, I like to plan my trips over at abetterrouteplanner.com for even more choices- and a better overview. With Premium you get live traffic, weather, you can prioritize charging networks, pick chargers, set thresholds, etc. etc. *I think you’re absolutely right though. While some of us enjoy this, and it works fine, normal people will run into problems on long trips with all other EVs than Tesla, even today.* The HPC CCS network in Northern Europe is getting really good, and you don’t have these vast distances as in the US, but the charging providers must start using common platforms and follow the standards that actually exists. Even Plug & Charge exists. ua-cam.com/video/wmWpdjSGSbM/v-deo.html We can’t continue to have different apps and RFID tags for all of them. And we need reliable live status, in the car or the cars app.
- You’re right about the GOM, it changes based on destination (elevation, speed limits etc). 👍 If you loook at the estimated SoC on arrival in the route plan, and keep 5-10% buffer, and you can’t go wrong. Except if the destination is a single 50 kW charger which can be out of order or busy.. Luckily, we see fewer of these overs here nowadays.
Keep up the good work! I really like your EV content and your open mindedness.
Hey Kyle, how has the Etron been holding up? Curious as I've heard about a lot of electrical and software issues with these vehicles...
Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.