The original script of this video ended up being 36 minutes long. I scrapped the majority of the stuff in individual team comps in multi core farming as it feels too in depth for a hot take video. If it feels a bit too brief I apologize.
Plushie, I’m certain many other experienced players would be very interested in your segments regarding multi core farming, especially if it’s for 90++. If you have the time would love to see that part too perhaps in a separate video
If you could upload the entire script that would be great because in this video it is 19 mins of talking about how good she is in multiple roles and then suddenly the conclusion is that she isnt that good?
watch as the key to open this monster of a gate and release the beast inside is actually summer Castoria, the sisters breaking the game is so fitting considering their history
You're assuming she will change to buster all of a sudden. Skadi didn't change. Aesc didn't change. Neither will she. Only reason Female Merlin is arts is because she's a not a male Merlin.
When i look at aesc's kit, i imagine the entire lasengle staff holding that metaphorical giant metal door with their arms shaking from exhaustion and shouting "We need help!" trying to keep the monster inside their laboratory. So many measures to make these skills look balanced. ED: lol i wrote this comment before watching the whole video and Plushie also said 'metaphorical door'. Lasagna managed to leave similar feelings and even phrases in players' minds.
To be fair, AoE 50% battery + NP Damage up + Guts is something that can break a lot of things And even then, Memory of Londinum's CD reduction and Atlas make it surprisingly easy to spam once the 5 turn cooldown is up (specially in a Castoria/Merlin team) I had used that skill way more than I should had😂
No kidding she could potentially be an aoe 100% charger with a ramp up defense down np that can complete with kuku even with a bad class due to bg double kyoyan farm
@@Gabriel-cs6wu we actually did the calcs just by removing that starting cd on her 3rd skill on neutral waves without evil or earth using bg she hits for higher DMG and that's not counting her defense down or potential ramp up or her class modifier again she has alot of potential now but her kit was balanced to not be broken
Tolenico *really* gives me release Melusine vibes: a unit who's good but not gamebreaking... until a very specific kit comes around to break down the doors. Her kit is busted, but very delicately kept in check by a number of conditions. If something came along and broke even one of those seals, she's a monster. Even as she is though, I think there's one important thing you left out of the analysis: most of Tonelico's best comps don't rely on a double support. So even though she's best with some less-common units, you're fine even if you don't have them. (Maybe my JP account is just weird, but my friends list is crawling with hyper Koyan Darks.)
For some reason, seeing Morgan with the witch hat and glasses reminds me of Runescape and I'm all for that. Most definitely going to attempt to summon her when she gets to NA at higher NP lvls. Keep it up with these videos informative videos Plushie!
Imo summer Morgan, while a little restricted on farming, she is a fantastic CQ unit that can farm on the side, since she provides a lot of things the Castoria-Merlin combo wants, like guts and a AoE battery I feel she is a bit of a victim of the looping brainrot player mentality and the farming focus the game has, but considering things like the Blank Earth quests or Advanced quests, she may be one of those servants that look meh now but become top tier in the future (kinda like OG Morgan before Koyanskaya and Oberon or even servants like Da Vinci Rider or Space Ishtar)
That is what I am thinking as well. She may not be another top tier farmer for many meta players to exploit to high heaven, but I found her kit to be very very interesting
@@marisbury y'all keep saying '99% of the game is farming' as if that means anything; like; farming is NOWHERE near as complicated as the layers seem to think it is to warrant the meta being built entirelly arround that. We have enough good farmers already and crazy supports taht basically brute force other units into being farmers; there is no reason to treat every other unit as if they should be yet another of those as their only value.
I remember your words from your Arcuied vid whereby an anniv servant need not be meta but one that is celebrated. After going thru LB6 in both servers, she earned the right to be an anniv servant, at least for me. Her complex gameplay also add abit more flavor rather than having brainded farming all the time. Thanks for the vid Plushie, very fair review, keep up the good work
Getting a turn 1 Tonelico NP with 300% OC is actually pretty simple. With Devilish Bodhisattva and Skill 1 maxed, she can NP immediately and get the skill 3 CD for turn 3 without outside help. Of course, this gets more complicated if you're running a 6 CE comp, but in literally any other case that's all she needs AFAIK.
The thing is, literally nobody wants to use Devilish Bodhisattva in farming, cuz you're just wasting a CE slot for a niche CE just for your support/dps to even work, and even if you do, just like Plushie already said using skill 3 only on turn 3 is no longer really valuable anymore. Yes, that's all she needs, but that need here is actually huge and oftentimes not worth it
To be fair 6 CE vs 5CE rarely gives that meaningful advantage in farming during events. Unless you somehow manage to have MLB-ed CEs you're losing 1 times amount of drops. In terms of Lotto events the difference on average is more or less a single box per 40-ish runs. (based on current Nerofest)
Good hot takes for real! She's very unique, it's just that people have that meta mentality. I hope we can get servant with unique skills like her and miss crane!
The reason is she is an anniversary servant where people expect the character to be broken but also with tonelico she has so much potential in her kit but you can see where they balanced it
@@muhammadshafek9788 early servants so they don't count. We are this late in the game why care about power creep now after adding someone like castoria?
Yeah seeing the health requirements isn't the greatest especially in this game where enemies could np nuke you so making her die to a random hit isn't the best especially being buster where Merlin is your best help but he is also not good to maximize her damage with his np. Honestly wish it was instead a reverse where she uses stars or perfect health as morgan tries to be perfect so losing health aka that perfection would knock her down. Np can drop health to keep her from it or something. The 100 charges makes her viable but cu caster already exists for cheaper and buster seems to be in that turn of making more units big charge to look special (arc)
Tbh that sounds more like a kit for Aurora more than Morgan, since Morgan/Aesc's story is one of adversity and revenge, not exactly fear of imperfection As for Cascu, while is true he is somewhat better for farming, Morgan does a better job in CQs, so they do complement each other when it comes to jobs (meawhile nero is just there existing)
@@mysticpumpkin8520the moment they saw Morgan wasn't this all powerful being they killed her. Morgan like saber had to be seen as "perfect". Aurora meanwhile is her own narcissist attitude instead where she can be seen through easily by melusine with how she wanted to go to normal earth. They are similar it's just a different way to do it
@@ivanbluecoolNot really. Morgan wasnt killed because she wasnt powerful enough, but because she was left vulnerable by Baohan Sith being held hostage and being ganged up after she was wounded Is kinda like how Hector killed Patroclus after Apollo threw him from a wall, stunned him and his soldiers stabbed him from behind Meawhile, the kit fits Aurora's purpose of being seen as the most perfect and beautiful fairy, since she literally gets sustenance of it and would die if she is seen as less than perfect (and the reason melusine killed her)
@@mysticpumpkin8520 aurora showed she was playing the prophecy and spirggin managed all that as well. Morgan was seen as strong and when they saw her pathetic state they murdered her. The fairy even had the thought of siding with the strong and we even Morgan beg for the chair and not being heard. They even didn't care to remember sith was on the ground which woke up fluffy. Melusine killed her as an act of mercy as aurora would have been unable to be in human society. Aurora can get her hands dirty with how she acted pretending to care about melusine and "saving" her. Either way both are similar only difference is one for summoned is all.
The thing about pairing her with Koyan Dark with the New years MC is that Koyan's Np herself is gonna have to be really high to be able to muti-core farm So she's honestly kinda expensive I wish you'd talk about her synergy with Chen Gong because even if it's kinda impractical it still really does the job for some reason
Even though she gives more value to the team in CQs and similar situations than og Morgan, I think Morgan's OC buff for the team is just better because unkillable teams are so broken (the only situation where guts can be better is if the enemies have, specifically, defensive buff removal, but even then at that point you could just use Mursaki, that will allow you to still keep all your buffs with her buff removal resistance, and will also give you a lot of other utility, on top of being an arts servant and therefore having even more synergy with Castoria, and is also an AOE caster). Other than that, agree with everything else. Good hot take video.
Yeah, using the black grail is nice, but there's also the black grail at home! With the rising mud rain and vitch you can actually use her 3rd skill on the 2nd turn which is nice. Not really accessible tho, Sadge
Save your quartz for summer Melusine. Calling it right now, she’s going to be a busted Quick based servant that can change her NP like her first variant
Or just recreate the First LB6 wave and role for everyone😝😈 But it would be funny if Castoria Summer somehow became a quick support and STILL is a key support for Morgan summer
I hope theres an unlockable final ascension art that is morgan after clearing summer 8. im 50/50 with final ascension arts showing the the 2nd or 1st ascension instead of the 3rd (except rider alter the maid FA is cool) and its extra weird for tonelico bc the 3rd sprite is morgan but the FA is tonelico
Nice guide. I actually never thought to pair her with dark koyan.I have Tonelico np 4 and np 5 koyan of dark so I can just do double koyan of dark and Tonelico for easy nodes. It's a really nice 6 ce team with no swaps and supports. Crazy.
I could see her being run in the invincible comp instead of merlin, the guts procs turn 1, then castoria np along with morgan's overcharge and her np on turn 2, and you already have her skill 3 available on turn 3 and all your team is comfy with the salem defense from castoria, and morgan can start blasting with her np and crits. I find the comp very cool
I already gave up any notion of pulling her for a farming purpose thanks to that bullshit Caster class 0.9x multiplier and her 3rd skill initial CD (I figured that you would need at least NP3~4 with some additional investments for that purpose) so I’m already somewhat happy having her at NP1 to use purely as an option in CQ support.
Just started with JP and got Mordred and Tonelico in like 60 SQ :D (wanted to get Artoria from 5 Star Selector but got Waver instead because Christmas hopefully will bring Saber Alter Santa)
If only her NP CD reduction isn't restricted to her 3rd skill, I wonder if she'll be broken then? Probably. What bugs me is the team 100% health star per turn thing, like that is so stupid.
If Skill 1 was 6 turn cooldown instead of 7 her damage numbers would be 84k/120k/357k with Double Vitch Oberon instead of the current 66k/86k/309k with Double Oberon Vitch. That's very good numbers considering the class she's in has 0.9% damage modifier, if she was an Avenger with 1.1x she would be hitting 435k neutral which is Godjuna numbers and she has Evil trait on top of that. Skill 1 cooldown, NP not reducing all cooldowns, Skill 3 restriction and her actual class are what's holding her back. But hey maybe they know what they're doing and she's this restricted because someone from Summer 8 will make her broken with cooldown reduction and apply evil trait to all.
@@ryanwest6035 I'm not sure if making a servant Broken is a good thing. And tools that would aid her a good amount already exist in the game. CE that dropped with the Anniversary, Devilish Bodshivata, other CEs like Duke of Flames that raise OC. They are however overlooked because everyone views the game through "fully developed all meta" Chaldeas that can afford the silly luxury that is 6CE farming despite it rarely giving that noticeable results. Tonelico offers a lot during many stages of the game managing to stay useful in fully developed whale realms while being great asset to those less lucky. She won't uproot anyone yes but she's flexible enough to be used in various compositions. Hell I'd wager she'd do pretty well in a Comp with Castoria and Zerker Morgan and while not as immortal as Merlin she'd get decent mileage from providing last hit point security.
It’s been four months since this video, and honestly, she hasn’t really been used at all from what I’ve seen. Despite being an anniversary unit, it seems that she hardly has any place currently.
I wonder how much of that is a self fulfilling prophecy. People viewing her bad or average, so the less people use or get her. The less people that have her or use her, the less the community knows of her applications
@@Azure70 a lot of people on my friend list definitely got her, because she was being consistently ran in the support slot initially. But after that, she’s just become… less acknowledged, probably because there are a lot of better options out there.
Holding my cope for Summer Servants to pull of a miracle to make her good. The third Skill is pretty awkward to work through when I was testing it but this was some good advice 😂
I think she is a pretty damn good farmer. You do not need Double Oberon if you have her 2nd Append Maxed. Personally, I have no Oberon so Tonelico is a blessing for me. You can run her with 1 Koyan+ any 50% Charger + Oberon with BG and I think this comp is superior to the double oberon setup.
The problem with that is that it makes herself a decently good Farmer but has to many restrictions to be a support for other Farmers outside of specific Multi core comps. It's really great that it works for you and it's great for people that want that, but double Oberon is good for allowing Farming to units that can't farm with any other setup, it's still inferior in terms of damage to a double Koyan or double other supports + Oberon, but at the moment one of the only choices for a handful of Servants. But to be honest, at the end of the day, once you get a farmer that can work most of the time it's not that needed to get more, so you have the freedom to chose who you want to use for more niche teams or just for things other than Farming, which is great.
@@akirayuki6275 agreed. Personally I prefer units that can farm from zero, so she is fine in my book and since owning oberon is not required as long as you have koyan and waver for example, she gets the job pretty well done.
@@nicoopala6261 Yeah he's not always required, often I have my Oberon sitting in my party waiting to be switched in, but it's also usually due to my Arjuna Alter taking care of enemy waves with 1 or 2 foes with Crits instead of NPs (mine is NP1 as well so usually Crits hit harder anyway). I'm not sure how many teams want him, but quite a few of them definitely don't, I rolled for him only because I love him and he's now my only NP3 character, so that I can use him as a farmer as well when fighting Knight classes. Hopefully next rerun on NA I can acheve NP4 or 5, good luck for you as well if you're still rolling for Tonelico or Summer servants
@@akirayuki6275really hate when servants need oberon to work at all, melusine koyan dark being a example. Needing 2 limited ssrs of your own just to even use a character you like is so painful
I need a Caster I'm holding out for a Caster 'til the end of the night She's gotta be strong, and she's gotta be fast And she's gotta be fresh from the fight I need a Caster I'm holding out for a Caster 'til the morning light She's gotta be sure, and it's gotta be soon And she's gotta be larger than life.
One small added bonus for Tonelico is that her ascension has different traits, meaning you can pair her up with those servants that support niches. eg - at Ascension 3, Tonelico's summer servant trait so Summer Ibuki says hi. Being smoll-brained I find it too gimmicky to get her to farm efficiently. Multi-core we have zerkers as the default brute force choice, single core we do have alter egos to handle that sad 0.9 caster class dmg output. That said, I agree with the "key" not being here yet and I am sold on Tonelico's performance in hard contents, having tried some on my own. Hopefully that "key" arrives soon =)
I'mma be honest, gang, I hope they end up releasing more controversial characters, just because they are interesting, it's good to stand out in the list of almost 500 servants lol
the funny thing is that a friend found a Double Koyanskaya System with oberon with BG. while it would limit the damage due tonelico shooting her NP first wave, and Koyan’s NP on the 2nd Wave.
@@velgard. why tho? waver doesn’t really help compared to DKS for Tonelico’s final damage. the trick with koyan is that allows enough flexibility on w2 that you CAN opt to use oberon’s s3 on her. Tonelico, despite having the caster mod, hits more than hard enough on w3 for farming so far.
I just installed the JP version after Tonelico was out and grinded my butt off (all the way until the first Lostbelt) and just barely got her. Why did I go so far? Cool animation. Too bad she's so weird, though. I really wanted to use her as a DPS but she supports my Berserker Jalter more than she supports herself...
I would really like it if they gave Tonelico a buff on her third skill which is similar to Kuku’s upgrade skill but it consumes her hp instead in order to immediately use her third skill which works with her attack stacks too another buff that could work is a transformative healing buff that grows stronger whenever her health goes down for the added survival but that might be annoying to use at times so maybe not
I’ve been expecting an AOE 50% charger with some kind of downside The downside I expected was 0 other buffs, maybe purely a defensive servant, Tonelico is definitely an interesting take on the idea
isn't there CEs that boost NP OC by 2? just pair her with that, she np turn 1 and by turn 3 her 3rd skill can be unleashed to charge your main attacker, could be S.ibuki or any looper, of course you'd need castoria or someone like that for support but it's doable!
You can get Tonelico to 300% np charge on turn 1 without another servant by just using a CE with 2 stages of OC and at least 50% staring charge (40% with charge append). If you use Tonelico skill 1 you can use NP with enough OC turn to get Skill 3 on turn 3 CEs can that do this include: Chasmatis (50% base MLB not needed) Apex (40% base use append or MLB) Charm of Love (40% base use append or MLB) Demonic Bodhisattva (50% base MLB not needed)
I think Tonelico is a great Servant not Castoria tier but definetly up there in my opinion and great for challenge quests with a team guts and shes a dps with support skills so there is that. Honestly I dont have the account to test it well[kind of a fresh account I reaquired for Medusa Saber and well now Tonelico herself] but double Tonelico and then idk what other support or dps youd want to use but I think it'd work out alright. Nothing min turning for 3 I guess but watch we get 4 and 5 turn fights and she turns out insane because no one elses support works for long enough but she can wipe the first few waves with minimal buffs while going down in hp on the 4th and fifth fights with her atk second skill doing work.
I already np5 her, another member to join the team of strongest aoe attacker for each standard class. The rest is saber and rider which unfortunately still have no contender for such position.
The only thing thats looks interesting on tonelico kit thats i see, is she have 50% NP damage up in total (its can active on turn 2/3) with Oberon, she is going insane + her anti evil 😵 I have a feeling thats Castoria summer Will have synergy with Tonelico, like kit thats giving party reduction 1 or 2 turn? ~
Im skipping her since im really excited for the summer servants but ima be so bummed and (very shocked) i didnt summon if summer castoria just fixes her issue and she becomes OP
Tonelico isn't for everyone. The majority of the players know no better than looping brainrot anyways. Let em stay with that. They're satisfied after all. Tonelico has the best gameplay design we've gotten in a servant since the start of the game. And it's not even close.
bruh ive never seen someone as delusionnal as you, i probably could feed you dog food and you would say its the best thing you've had in your life, not even close of course
Tbh I agree, and Morgan seems like the perfect anni servant Good but no broken, has uses in a lot of places and is really fun to use. Is kinda like Castoria, but in a different way. I guess is somewhat on brand
FGO players when Lasengle doesn't release the 83904th servant with the same copy pasta kit with slightly different values that they know how to use : *Angry monke noises*
@@mysticpumpkin8520 regarding the broken part. Well, you'll see the next few months 😅 200% SE is no joke, Arc sweeped most 90++ last year yet people still don't understand what 200% SE means. Oh well.
Yeah finally some interesting servant design.With this one I can feel roll for an anni servant after I decided I'm skipping Arc because she's boring when she comes to NA. I was so bored of the last few 5 stars. Same boring kit. Battery, color buff, defensive skill, super effective mod.
I really love her, going for np5 when she comes to na. Out of all the servants that came out this year, why did they restrict her. She has potential and most of all she anniversary/summer.
I think either go with berserker castoria or summer melusine. If you consider buster farming tiamat and melusine is pretty much the top. Tonelico is an answer to multicore farming but its not working as u see. Either go with the top arts farmers cus we have Draco, Bakatoria to help out multicore farming. Most people will summon Tonelico and never use her her come up with teams with her which dont work as good as other options. But if she is top waifu for you than go for it but consider her limited power before you whale too much.
Tbh I feel is like a choose your own adventure Castoria would be your generic farming bot (or not, depending on what she is) while Morgan would be your quirky CQ unit that also happens to farm And tbh both Castoria and Morgan are very popular, so both win either way and will be pulled, be for character love, stupid meta reason or both
7:46 - With Arcueid’s bad precedent set her super effective damage now scales with NP lvl 💀 Isn’t it great? Had that multiplier been scaling with overcharge, even a master with Aesc at NP1 could have done some real work with the team comps shown in this video. Instead… her performance is now “expensive” 😇💸
The original script of this video ended up being 36 minutes long. I scrapped the majority of the stuff in individual team comps in multi core farming as it feels too in depth for a hot take video. If it feels a bit too brief I apologize.
Happy first anniversary for FGO Hot Takes 🎉🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂😂
Plushie, I’m certain many other experienced players would be very interested in your segments regarding multi core farming, especially if it’s for 90++. If you have the time would love to see that part too perhaps in a separate video
I'm 100% sure summer 8 will give us support for her that will make her EX+++, which will probably be Castoria or Melusine or even someone else
I would like a 36min in-depth video
If you could upload the entire script that would be great because in this video it is 19 mins of talking about how good she is in multiple roles and then suddenly the conclusion is that she isnt that good?
watch as the key to open this monster of a gate and release the beast inside is actually summer Castoria, the sisters breaking the game is so fitting considering their history
Fitting considering OG Castoria has incredible synergy with Berserker Morgan.
300% OC buff coming soon
she about to put all morgan servants at 1 hp because fuck morgan
You're assuming she will change to buster all of a sudden. Skadi didn't change. Aesc didn't change. Neither will she. Only reason Female Merlin is arts is because she's a not a male Merlin.
@@Wheres_my_Dragonator if you read it again he doesnt said summer castoria will be buster supp maybe a nuet like reines.
That miracle was the append 5
When i look at aesc's kit, i imagine the entire lasengle staff holding that metaphorical giant metal door with their arms shaking from exhaustion and shouting "We need help!" trying to keep the monster inside their laboratory. So many measures to make these skills look balanced.
ED: lol i wrote this comment before watching the whole video and Plushie also said 'metaphorical door'. Lasagna managed to leave similar feelings and even phrases in players' minds.
To be fair, AoE 50% battery + NP Damage up + Guts is something that can break a lot of things
And even then, Memory of Londinum's CD reduction and Atlas make it surprisingly easy to spam once the 5 turn cooldown is up (specially in a Castoria/Merlin team)
I had used that skill way more than I should had😂
No kidding she could potentially be an aoe 100% charger with a ramp up defense down np that can complete with kuku even with a bad class due to bg double kyoyan farm
@@treybrady9134nah, tonelico cant compete againt kuku, ort-chan have just more dmg
@@Gabriel-cs6wu we actually did the calcs just by removing that starting cd on her 3rd skill on neutral waves without evil or earth using bg she hits for higher DMG and that's not counting her defense down or potential ramp up or her class modifier again she has alot of potential now but her kit was balanced to not be broken
Tolenico *really* gives me release Melusine vibes: a unit who's good but not gamebreaking... until a very specific kit comes around to break down the doors. Her kit is busted, but very delicately kept in check by a number of conditions. If something came along and broke even one of those seals, she's a monster.
Even as she is though, I think there's one important thing you left out of the analysis: most of Tonelico's best comps don't rely on a double support. So even though she's best with some less-common units, you're fine even if you don't have them. (Maybe my JP account is just weird, but my friends list is crawling with hyper Koyan Darks.)
I know this is a year old comment, but you were right. It wasn't exactly a servant though. More like a new append skill
I cant wait for that "Metaphorical Key" to manifest on Summer 8 💀
Great video as always man!
Ok Castoria, after you saved the quick meta, go help your sister enable her AoE 50% battery spam😂
Summer caztoria about to be a koyan that gives overcharge and deals dmg to fae allies
Guys I think we found our key in the form of Avenger Chloe
And then... The miracle appeared as a little girl
For some reason, seeing Morgan with the witch hat and glasses reminds me of Runescape and I'm all for that. Most definitely going to attempt to summon her when she gets to NA at higher NP lvls.
Keep it up with these videos informative videos Plushie!
The witch hat wearer isn’t Morgan, it’s Castoria with contacts.
Happy to be NA only so I'll know if LaSengle comes up with a savior for her before she becomes available on NA.
Imo summer Morgan, while a little restricted on farming, she is a fantastic CQ unit that can farm on the side, since she provides a lot of things the Castoria-Merlin combo wants, like guts and a AoE battery
I feel she is a bit of a victim of the looping brainrot player mentality and the farming focus the game has, but considering things like the Blank Earth quests or Advanced quests, she may be one of those servants that look meh now but become top tier in the future (kinda like OG Morgan before Koyanskaya and Oberon or even servants like Da Vinci Rider or Space Ishtar)
That is what I am thinking as well. She may not be another top tier farmer for many meta players to exploit to high heaven, but I found her kit to be very very interesting
I can attest to the CQ points. I cleared 100% Kama with her, Castoria and Morgan without Command Seal
Well can't say it's brainrot mentality when 99% of the game is farm, especially with 90++ nodes.
>A little restricted on farming
That means she's suck, she's a terrible unit becuase farming is everything that cutally matters
@@marisbury y'all keep saying '99% of the game is farming' as if that means anything; like; farming is NOWHERE near as complicated as the layers seem to think it is to warrant the meta being built entirelly arround that.
We have enough good farmers already and crazy supports taht basically brute force other units into being farmers; there is no reason to treat every other unit as if they should be yet another of those as their only value.
I remember your words from your Arcuied vid whereby an anniv servant need not be meta but one that is celebrated.
After going thru LB6 in both servers, she earned the right to be an anniv servant, at least for me.
Her complex gameplay also add abit more flavor rather than having brainded farming all the time.
Thanks for the vid Plushie, very fair review, keep up the good work
This is by far my favorite content in FGO thanks a lot plushie 💙 keep it up man
Getting a turn 1 Tonelico NP with 300% OC is actually pretty simple. With Devilish Bodhisattva and Skill 1 maxed, she can NP immediately and get the skill 3 CD for turn 3 without outside help. Of course, this gets more complicated if you're running a 6 CE comp, but in literally any other case that's all she needs AFAIK.
The thing is, literally nobody wants to use Devilish Bodhisattva in farming, cuz you're just wasting a CE slot for a niche CE just for your support/dps to even work, and even if you do, just like Plushie already said using skill 3 only on turn 3 is no longer really valuable anymore.
Yes, that's all she needs, but that need here is actually huge and oftentimes not worth it
To be fair 6 CE vs 5CE rarely gives that meaningful advantage in farming during events. Unless you somehow manage to have MLB-ed CEs you're losing 1 times amount of drops. In terms of Lotto events the difference on average is more or less a single box per 40-ish runs. (based on current Nerofest)
@@Jaquan018so barely a difference then, Gotcha.
@@lhv2kwhy would you even use her in farming as a support
@@Jaquan018 To this day, I still don't understand the obsessoin with 6CE farming.
Good hot takes for real! She's very unique, it's just that people have that meta mentality. I hope we can get servant with unique skills like her and miss crane!
The reason is she is an anniversary servant where people expect the character to be broken but also with tonelico she has so much potential in her kit but you can see where they balanced it
She's an anniversary servant, she should be broken.
@@dvdivine1962both davinci has something to say
@@dvdivine1962Da Vinci, Holmes and Da Vinci have something to say
Hell, so does Koyanskaya, Skadi and Castoria
@@muhammadshafek9788 early servants so they don't count. We are this late in the game why care about power creep now after adding someone like castoria?
Yeah seeing the health requirements isn't the greatest especially in this game where enemies could np nuke you so making her die to a random hit isn't the best especially being buster where Merlin is your best help but he is also not good to maximize her damage with his np.
Honestly wish it was instead a reverse where she uses stars or perfect health as morgan tries to be perfect so losing health aka that perfection would knock her down. Np can drop health to keep her from it or something.
The 100 charges makes her viable but cu caster already exists for cheaper and buster seems to be in that turn of making more units big charge to look special (arc)
Tbh that sounds more like a kit for Aurora more than Morgan, since Morgan/Aesc's story is one of adversity and revenge, not exactly fear of imperfection
As for Cascu, while is true he is somewhat better for farming, Morgan does a better job in CQs, so they do complement each other when it comes to jobs (meawhile nero is just there existing)
@@mysticpumpkin8520the moment they saw Morgan wasn't this all powerful being they killed her. Morgan like saber had to be seen as "perfect".
Aurora meanwhile is her own narcissist attitude instead where she can be seen through easily by melusine with how she wanted to go to normal earth. They are similar it's just a different way to do it
@@ivanbluecoolNot really. Morgan wasnt killed because she wasnt powerful enough, but because she was left vulnerable by Baohan Sith being held hostage and being ganged up after she was wounded
Is kinda like how Hector killed Patroclus after Apollo threw him from a wall, stunned him and his soldiers stabbed him from behind
Meawhile, the kit fits Aurora's purpose of being seen as the most perfect and beautiful fairy, since she literally gets sustenance of it and would die if she is seen as less than perfect (and the reason melusine killed her)
@@mysticpumpkin8520 aurora showed she was playing the prophecy and spirggin managed all that as well. Morgan was seen as strong and when they saw her pathetic state they murdered her. The fairy even had the thought of siding with the strong and we even Morgan beg for the chair and not being heard. They even didn't care to remember sith was on the ground which woke up fluffy.
Melusine killed her as an act of mercy as aurora would have been unable to be in human society. Aurora can get her hands dirty with how she acted pretending to care about melusine and "saving" her. Either way both are similar only difference is one for summoned is all.
Her being in same competiton as Arc is biggest downside to be honest. Should be Arts instead.
The thing about pairing her with Koyan Dark with the New years MC is that Koyan's Np herself is gonna have to be really high to be able to muti-core farm
So she's honestly kinda expensive
I wish you'd talk about her synergy with Chen Gong because even if it's kinda impractical it still really does the job for some reason
I get the banner ending within a day thing, but quit apologizing for taking your time in order to produce such dandy content 😡
Just realized due to Cú's nature to his battery, Tonelico is a good support for him.
Even though she gives more value to the team in CQs and similar situations than og Morgan, I think Morgan's OC buff for the team is just better because unkillable teams are so broken (the only situation where guts can be better is if the enemies have, specifically, defensive buff removal, but even then at that point you could just use Mursaki, that will allow you to still keep all your buffs with her buff removal resistance, and will also give you a lot of other utility, on top of being an arts servant and therefore having even more synergy with Castoria, and is also an AOE caster). Other than that, agree with everything else.
Good hot take video.
Yeah, using the black grail is nice, but there's also the black grail at home! With the rising mud rain and vitch you can actually use her 3rd skill on the 2nd turn which is nice. Not really accessible tho, Sadge
Save your quartz for summer Melusine. Calling it right now, she’s going to be a busted Quick based servant that can change her NP like her first variant
Or just recreate the First LB6 wave and role for everyone😝😈
But it would be funny if Castoria Summer somehow became a quick support and STILL is a key support for Morgan summer
For the love of God I pray don't be quick
Once a Buster, always a Buster.
U sure?
@@shuraamanosay that to ibuki
watch Summer Castoria have a 1CD reduction on S1, 2CD reduction on S2, and 3CD reduction on S3 with a myriad of buffs on each skill
I hope theres an unlockable final ascension art that is morgan after clearing summer 8.
im 50/50 with final ascension arts showing the the 2nd or 1st ascension instead of the 3rd (except rider alter the maid FA is cool) and its extra weird for tonelico bc the 3rd sprite is morgan but the FA is tonelico
I wouldn't be surprised if she got a costume as part of the event, similar to her OG.
To make all Morgan fans feel better, she has awesome animations.
Nice guide. I actually never thought to pair her with dark koyan.I have Tonelico np 4 and np 5 koyan of dark so I can just do double koyan of dark and Tonelico for easy nodes. It's a really nice 6 ce team with no swaps and supports. Crazy.
A well research and tested video is valued it's weight in gold (even thou it's made of 1s and 0s)
Ayy, can’t have a plushie without a hot takes vid 😎
Amazing take plush, but whatever it takes, still gonna pull for her in 2 years :)
cant wait for the updated hot take come this anni for na
The long awaited
I could see her being run in the invincible comp instead of merlin, the guts procs turn 1, then castoria np along with morgan's overcharge and her np on turn 2, and you already have her skill 3 available on turn 3 and all your team is comfy with the salem defense from castoria, and morgan can start blasting with her np and crits.
I find the comp very cool
I really hope summer castoria would synergizes perfectly with her just like with morgan, castoria and merlin set up.
we failed i think
FGO players: Why do they keep giving us AE farming servants?!
Also FGO Players: This character that isn't perfectly built for AE farming is a problem.
No fun allowed can't 3T unit is shit..
I already gave up any notion of pulling her for a farming purpose thanks to that bullshit Caster class 0.9x multiplier and her 3rd skill initial CD (I figured that you would need at least NP3~4 with some additional investments for that purpose) so I’m already somewhat happy having her at NP1 to use purely as an option in CQ support.
Just started with JP and got Mordred and Tonelico in like 60 SQ
:D
(wanted to get Artoria from 5 Star Selector but got Waver instead because Christmas hopefully will bring Saber Alter Santa)
If only her NP CD reduction isn't restricted to her 3rd skill, I wonder if she'll be broken then? Probably. What bugs me is the team 100% health star per turn thing, like that is so stupid.
If Skill 1 was 6 turn cooldown instead of 7 her damage numbers would be 84k/120k/357k with Double Vitch Oberon instead of the current 66k/86k/309k with Double Oberon Vitch.
That's very good numbers considering the class she's in has 0.9% damage modifier, if she was an Avenger with 1.1x she would be hitting 435k neutral which is Godjuna numbers and she has Evil trait on top of that.
Skill 1 cooldown, NP not reducing all cooldowns, Skill 3 restriction and her actual class are what's holding her back.
But hey maybe they know what they're doing and she's this restricted because someone from Summer 8 will make her broken with cooldown reduction and apply evil trait to all.
@@ryanwest6035 I'm not sure if making a servant Broken is a good thing. And tools that would aid her a good amount already exist in the game. CE that dropped with the Anniversary, Devilish Bodshivata, other CEs like Duke of Flames that raise OC. They are however overlooked because everyone views the game through "fully developed all meta" Chaldeas that can afford the silly luxury that is 6CE farming despite it rarely giving that noticeable results. Tonelico offers a lot during many stages of the game managing to stay useful in fully developed whale realms while being great asset to those less lucky. She won't uproot anyone yes but she's flexible enough to be used in various compositions. Hell I'd wager she'd do pretty well in a Comp with Castoria and Zerker Morgan and while not as immortal as Merlin she'd get decent mileage from providing last hit point security.
It’s been four months since this video, and honestly, she hasn’t really been used at all from what I’ve seen.
Despite being an anniversary unit, it seems that she hardly has any place currently.
I wonder how much of that is a self fulfilling prophecy.
People viewing her bad or average, so the less people use or get her.
The less people that have her or use her, the less the community knows of her applications
@@Azure70 a lot of people on my friend list definitely got her, because she was being consistently ran in the support slot initially. But after that, she’s just become… less acknowledged, probably because there are a lot of better options out there.
@@TheBlackGokubetter options? Or cheaper? Because as great as Aesc is, Cu Caster can deliver such numbers for a lower cost.
It's like the designer have chosen to go 3 steps forward, but stops when they are just about to take the 3rd step, then move backwards 1 step
There was an interesting set up with double tonelico and tamo
My phone needs a miracle for her NP to not crash my game(literally).
18:15 so….. you can run Morgan with Morgan and get away with it
Holding my cope for Summer Servants to pull of a miracle to make her good. The third Skill is pretty awkward to work through when I was testing it but this was some good advice 😂
I believe they will sell the solution specialized for her this summer.
I think she is a pretty damn good farmer. You do not need Double Oberon if you have her 2nd Append Maxed. Personally, I have no Oberon so Tonelico is a blessing for me. You can run her with 1 Koyan+ any 50% Charger + Oberon with BG and I think this comp is superior to the double oberon setup.
The problem with that is that it makes herself a decently good Farmer but has to many restrictions to be a support for other Farmers outside of specific Multi core comps. It's really great that it works for you and it's great for people that want that, but double Oberon is good for allowing Farming to units that can't farm with any other setup, it's still inferior in terms of damage to a double Koyan or double other supports + Oberon, but at the moment one of the only choices for a handful of Servants.
But to be honest, at the end of the day, once you get a farmer that can work most of the time it's not that needed to get more, so you have the freedom to chose who you want to use for more niche teams or just for things other than Farming, which is great.
@@akirayuki6275 agreed. Personally I prefer units that can farm from zero, so she is fine in my book and since owning oberon is not required as long as you have koyan and waver for example, she gets the job pretty well done.
@@nicoopala6261 Yeah he's not always required, often I have my Oberon sitting in my party waiting to be switched in, but it's also usually due to my Arjuna Alter taking care of enemy waves with 1 or 2 foes with Crits instead of NPs (mine is NP1 as well so usually Crits hit harder anyway).
I'm not sure how many teams want him, but quite a few of them definitely don't, I rolled for him only because I love him and he's now my only NP3 character, so that I can use him as a farmer as well when fighting Knight classes. Hopefully next rerun on NA I can acheve NP4 or 5, good luck for you as well if you're still rolling for Tonelico or Summer servants
@@akirayuki6275really hate when servants need oberon to work at all, melusine koyan dark being a example. Needing 2 limited ssrs of your own just to even use a character you like is so painful
Plushie: hear me out. Her ideal partner is one of my 120 np5 units. Jk
Good video. Points were well made.
I need a Caster
I'm holding out for a Caster 'til the end of the night
She's gotta be strong, and she's gotta be fast
And she's gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a Caster
I'm holding out for a Caster 'til the morning light
She's gotta be sure, and it's gotta be soon
And she's gotta be larger than life.
In before Summer Castoria has some crazy synergy with Tonelico...
One small added bonus for Tonelico is that her ascension has different traits, meaning you can pair her up with those servants that support niches. eg - at Ascension 3, Tonelico's summer servant trait so Summer Ibuki says hi.
Being smoll-brained I find it too gimmicky to get her to farm efficiently. Multi-core we have zerkers as the default brute force choice, single core we do have alter egos to handle that sad 0.9 caster class dmg output.
That said, I agree with the "key" not being here yet and I am sold on Tonelico's performance in hard contents, having tried some on my own.
Hopefully that "key" arrives soon =)
I'mma be honest, gang, I hope they end up releasing more controversial characters, just because they are interesting, it's good to stand out in the list of almost 500 servants lol
tonelico needs a savior 😭
the funny thing is that a friend found a Double Koyanskaya System with oberon with BG. while it would limit the damage due tonelico shooting her NP first wave, and Koyan’s NP on the 2nd Wave.
Better off using waver koyan oberon at that point I think
@@velgard. why tho? waver doesn’t really help compared to DKS for Tonelico’s final damage. the trick with koyan is that allows enough flexibility on w2 that you CAN opt to use oberon’s s3 on her. Tonelico, despite having the caster mod, hits more than hard enough on w3 for farming so far.
@@semreh12 with waver you can run her np every turn with black grail, using koyan np 2nd wave us a recipe for disaster with the low dmg
@@velgard. where does the NP charge for w3 comes from tho? because the math doesn’t add up
in fact i found how to use tonelico’s s2 on w2, which also makes koyan’s NP damage go up. in so far koyan is hitting 50k dmg per enemy on disadvantage
I just installed the JP version after Tonelico was out and grinded my butt off (all the way until the first Lostbelt) and just barely got her. Why did I go so far? Cool animation.
Too bad she's so weird, though. I really wanted to use her as a DPS but she supports my Berserker Jalter more than she supports herself...
summer morgan equiped with devilish bodhisattva and koyan dark can istantly get 500% overcharge on her first np turn 1.
i like her hat
Thanks to all the Melusines with the lotto CE, they convinced me to get my own... She's nuts!
When you're apart of the SHADOW WIZARD MONEY GANG, it's the average farmer who's gonna need a miracle instead.
I would really like it if they gave Tonelico a buff on her third skill which is similar to Kuku’s upgrade skill but it consumes her hp instead in order to immediately use her third skill which works with her attack stacks too another buff that could work is a transformative healing buff that grows stronger whenever her health goes down for the added survival but that might be annoying to use at times so maybe not
I’ve been expecting an AOE 50% charger with some kind of downside
The downside I expected was 0 other buffs, maybe purely a defensive servant, Tonelico is definitely an interesting take on the idea
As of now... Chengong is her bestfriend until Lasagne releases a servant who can mitigate the restriction casted on Tonelico.
isn't there CEs that boost NP OC by 2? just pair her with that, she np turn 1 and by turn 3 her 3rd skill can be unleashed to charge your main attacker, could be S.ibuki or any looper, of course you'd need castoria or someone like that for support but it's doable!
You can get Tonelico to 300% np charge on turn 1 without another servant by just using a CE with 2 stages of OC and at least 50% staring charge (40% with charge append). If you use Tonelico skill 1 you can use NP with enough OC turn to get Skill 3 on turn 3
CEs can that do this include:
Chasmatis (50% base MLB not needed)
Apex (40% base use append or MLB)
Charm of Love (40% base use append or MLB)
Demonic Bodhisattva (50% base MLB not needed)
What I'm getting from this is; Roll if you love the character, but an easy skip if you're not fussed.
Hijikata has a new friend. :)
I will honestly skip her for now and wait for Castoria Summer.
I cannot afford to blow it all on two consecutive banners.
inside you there are two wolves:
one that rolls for summer morgan
one that rolls for summer castoria
@@Silver-Arrow ... to be perfectly honest I followed both wolves 😂
I think Tonelico is a great Servant not Castoria tier but definetly up there in my opinion and great for challenge quests with a team guts and shes a dps with support skills so there is that. Honestly I dont have the account to test it well[kind of a fresh account I reaquired for Medusa Saber and well now Tonelico herself] but double Tonelico and then idk what other support or dps youd want to use but I think it'd work out alright. Nothing min turning for 3 I guess but watch we get 4 and 5 turn fights and she turns out insane because no one elses support works for long enough but she can wipe the first few waves with minimal buffs while going down in hp on the 4th and fifth fights with her atk second skill doing work.
man if the s1 cd is 6 turn she would've been perfect for farming
I first thought her np oc cooldown is teamwide and hoped i could use her with morgan and castoria for the immortal strat…nvm then…
Hear me out, Morgan, Himiko and Tonelico... Boom u can use her s3 (Np no 2) on t2
I feel good to have my accidental NP4 Aesc now
Now to figure out HOW TO AVOID HER CRASHING THE GAME WITH HER NP. Please help me.
using tonelico with Ce 50% battery+Proto Merlin, Koyanskaya, Waver is enough to farm 3T, not necessarily using Oberon to farm
the miracle happened a bit too fast
I already np5 her, another member to join the team of strongest aoe attacker for each standard class. The rest is saber and rider which unfortunately still have no contender for such position.
5 turn CD before using the skill is absurb. Nero Caster is more simple to use, althought, the main steroid 50 atk can only be used once.
i love how i will still roll tonelico no matter what's her review but i still watch and enjoy plushie hot takes
She a Saberface with a Dark Souls magic build.
Moonlight GS + blue Spells
Glad i rolled for her for that alone
Funny thing is ive seen her used to buff cu caster to insane amounts
Let’s go a plushie hot take video
yeah 10 turn skill 5 turn at the begining is dumb even for lesangle. i know it's a party 50% charger but still
I just really love the character, but damn the timing. I mean, right next to summer castoria?
The only thing thats looks interesting on tonelico kit thats i see, is she have 50% NP damage up in total (its can active on turn 2/3) with Oberon, she is going insane + her anti evil 😵
I have a feeling thats Castoria summer Will have synergy with Tonelico, like kit thats giving party reduction 1 or 2 turn? ~
I'm able to get her to use her 3rd skill on turn 2 & 3. Very specific team composition though.
Seems like we know then what kit will summer castoria have
inb4 summer artoria caster is that saviour *copium*
Yeah she’s neat, but as soon as they announced summer sith and barghest my priorities shifted.
Im skipping her since im really excited for the summer servants but ima be so bummed and (very shocked) i didnt summon if summer castoria just fixes her issue and she becomes OP
Yes!!!! Finally
No problem, I already spent too much for her to get nothing in return
WHERE IS YOUR VIDEO USING HER WITH SUMMER IBUKI?!
Tonelico isn't for everyone. The majority of the players know no better than looping brainrot anyways. Let em stay with that. They're satisfied after all.
Tonelico has the best gameplay design we've gotten in a servant since the start of the game. And it's not even close.
bruh ive never seen someone as delusionnal as you, i probably could feed you dog food and you would say its the best thing you've had in your life, not even close of course
Tbh I agree, and Morgan seems like the perfect anni servant
Good but no broken, has uses in a lot of places and is really fun to use.
Is kinda like Castoria, but in a different way. I guess is somewhat on brand
FGO players when Lasengle doesn't release the 83904th servant with the same copy pasta kit with slightly different values that they know how to use :
*Angry monke noises*
@@mysticpumpkin8520 regarding the broken part. Well, you'll see the next few months 😅 200% SE is no joke, Arc sweeped most 90++ last year yet people still don't understand what 200% SE means. Oh well.
Yeah finally some interesting servant design.With this one I can feel roll for an anni servant after I decided I'm skipping Arc because she's boring when she comes to NA. I was so bored of the last few 5 stars. Same boring kit. Battery, color buff, defensive skill, super effective mod.
I really love her, going for np5 when she comes to na. Out of all the servants that came out this year, why did they restrict her. She has potential and most of all she anniversary/summer.
I think either go with berserker castoria or summer melusine.
If you consider buster farming tiamat and melusine is pretty much the top.
Tonelico is an answer to multicore farming but its not working as u see.
Either go with the top arts farmers cus we have Draco, Bakatoria to help out multicore farming.
Most people will summon Tonelico and never use her her come up with teams with her which dont work as good as other options.
But if she is top waifu for you than go for it but consider her limited power before you whale too much.
If she had a heal honestly might be better than merlin for immortal comps
are you sure now plushie?
Let’s be honest, summer castoria is the real anny servant. They just released Tonelico to make us waste our SQ
inb4 summer Castoria gets really bad or niche kit.
@@marisbury but what If the opposite is also true 🫨
Tbh I feel is like a choose your own adventure
Castoria would be your generic farming bot (or not, depending on what she is) while Morgan would be your quirky CQ unit that also happens to farm
And tbh both Castoria and Morgan are very popular, so both win either way and will be pulled, be for character love, stupid meta reason or both
If only the cd reduction from np for every skills
I'll try to np5 her anyways I love her so much well it depends on Chloe summer
Can she solo old man Li LB3 battle?
wowowow
They just need to make so her with -2 CD mc is better than just using 2004 for 6-slot.
7:46 - With Arcueid’s bad precedent set her super effective damage now scales with NP lvl 💀
Isn’t it great? Had that multiplier been scaling with overcharge, even a master with Aesc at NP1 could have done some real work with the team comps shown in this video. Instead… her performance is now “expensive” 😇💸