There is evidence the some SDA pioneers held Arians ideas. But, EG White was clear that Jesus is eternal, no beginning nor end, because is God. Suggest that she approved Arian ideas is contrary to the evidence of her writings. The Bible is very clear about the eternity of Christ. He is called “Eternal Father” eternal by definition does not had any kind of beginning. The Bible is above any written of any pioneer no matter how influential or smart was the pioneer.
Thanks Pastor Butler for your quotes about the Son of God. Many ministers and laymen are teaching another Jesus nowadays. Gal 1: 6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Amen A literal begotten Son of God is the salvational, false Bible versions offer deception of a unique son who's a metaphor. Mercy. Apostate Protestantism has fallen prey of deception by the spiritualistic teachings of Trinity. Terrible.
Praise the Lord! I pray that it will not only equip the saints with a better understanding of the subject but also help many respond kindly to those who use the "unique" language to dismiss the true Sonship of Christ.
@@Seventh-dayChurchofRevelation Yes the word 'unique'. It is used by a leader in a study group. My mother attends this same group. The oddity of it all is? She speaks of and swears by?... the pre 1888 EGW literature. Try to figure that out !
@@Seventh-dayChurchofRevelationThere are those that 'bend' the meaning of MONOGENES. There is a Greek word that translates to 'unique'. That word is MONODIKOS. The origin of Christ is NOT depicted by this word.
@@canadiancontrarian3668: *The word is monadikós (μοναδικός) and it antedates Christianity, having been employed by Aristotle, Philo, and others. The Greek word monadikos (μοναδικός) means unique or one of a kind and nothing else, as native Greeks know. Its morphology hasn't changed in over two thousand years. monadikos (μοναδικός) is the word that Greek speakers have been using for unique for more than two thousand years, and it is the word native Greeks still use today when they want to say unique or one of a kind.* *Neither has the morphology of (monogenes) μονογενης changed in over two thousand years, and monogenes has always meant only begotten or its equivalent.* *Just as only begotten is not equivalent to unique, so monogenes is not equivalent to monadikos. The Greek word monogenes does not mean unique, nor has it ever. The Greek word monadikós means unique. It has always meant unique.* *Had the writers of the New Testament wanted to say unique, they would have used the Greek word which means unique - monadikós (μοναδικός).* *The reason the writers of the New Testament didn’t employ monadikos when they penned the New Testament is simple - because the writers of the New Testament didn’t mean unique. The writers of the New Testament meant only begotten or its equivalent. That’s why they used the word monogenes (μονογενης) instead of monadikós (μοναδικός).* In every instance of *μονογενης (monogenes)* in the NT, the meaning ‘only begotten’ fits the context better than ‘one of a kind’ or unique’. It may be concluded that the usage of *μονογενης (monogenes)* that there is clear warrant for retaining the meaning ‘only begotten’. If *μονογενης* truly mean ‘one of a kind’ or ‘unique’, without any reference to ‘begetting’, then one might expect *μονογενης (monogenes) * could be used of a brother or sister and even of a father. Therefor we might expect to also find *μονογενης αδελφος* meaning ‘one of a kind/unique brother’, or *μονογενης αδελφη* meaning ‘one of a kind/unique sister’ and *μονογενης πατηρ* meaning ‘one of a kind/unique father’. Such expressions do not occur throughout the whole of Greek literature. *Whenever μονογενης (monogenes) is used in the context of personal relationship, the relationship is always that of offspring to parent. This strongly suggest that the concept of ‘begotten’ is indeed present in μονογενης (monogenes) .* *μονογενης (monogenes)* is a Greek adjective consisting of two parts, *μονο (mono) and γενης (genes).* There is no argument regarding the derivation of the first part of the word; it is from the Greek word *μονον (monon)*, an adverb meaning ‘only’. The difference of opinion only arises in regard to the second part of the word, *γενης.* The traditional view is that *γενης* is to be derived from the Greek verb *γενναω* Strong’s 1080 (‘*meaning to beget, conceive*‘), so that *μονογενης* meaning ‘class’, ‘sort’, ‘kind’, so that *μονογενης* must mean ‘one of a kind’ or ‘unique’. In support of the letter view, some point out that *γενος* has only a single v (the Greek letter, pronounced ‘nu’) as does *μονογενης while γενναω* has two v’s. So which etymology is correct? If the type was not literal than the anti-type should also not be literal, but this is not so. The Bible is clear that the type and anti-type are both literal Father and Son. Nowhere in the Bible do we read that Jesus is a unique or metaphorical Son, but it rather gives the direct opposite repeatedly. *The claim that the γενης (genes) [Strongs 1085 meaning descendant, Family] ending of μονογενης is to be derived from γενος with the meaning ‘class’, or ‘sort’, ‘kind’, may be tested by examining the meaning of the γενης ending in a similar Greek adjective which also have the same two-part structure.* *Herewith a list of such adjectives.* *1* πρωτογενης: - *first born* - *2* ομογενης: - *of the same race or family* *3* πολυγενης: - *of many families* - *4* αγεηνς: - *not of noble birth; low born* *5* παλιγενης: - *born again, generated anew* - *6* ευγενης: - *well born, high born* *7* αγεννης: - *low born δυσγενης: low born* - *8* προγενης: - *born before* *9* συγγενης: - *related, akin* It may be observed that in all the above-mentioned [9] words the concept of ‘begetting’ or ‘derivation by birth’ is clearly present.
Jesus is God and God does not have beginning or end. To believe that He had a beginning or was created is a heresy! He is the begotten son as he was conceived in unique manner, Mary was 100% human and the Holy Spirit, Now how many chromosomes that he have? Only 23 from Mary? This kind of the questions are beyond or limited understanding. That is a mystery that we maybe will never understand maybe no even in the eternity. Of course the was made better than the angels at the time of his incarnation because he was the only one could save us. No angel could do that!
Why have men in creeds call that heresy? Maybe because they didn't care about what bible teaches after all this creed was all about politics and the empire of constatine
Excellent presentation! I've been espousing this belief since the early 2000's when I started reading the bible more in depth, some of the SDA pioneer's writings, and of course EGW's writings, led by the Holy Spirit. I am so glad to see that the light is shining on more SDA believers and non SDA believers as well. I really do believe that YAH is gathering HIS people together in these last days. May Yahshua bless you and thus ministry.
Yes Jesus was created he’s the image of the invisible God the first born of all creation born means like me and you but Jesus was created by God so simple plus revelation 3 v 14 reads iam the beginning of the creation by God
@@michaelhaigh9182 Correction. Yahshua was not created, but Begotten. He is the only one being that is Begotten, as the true, only, and literal devine SON of YAH.
@@mariodelarosa5722 what do’s revelation 3 v 14 say he’s the beginning of the creation by God ? Or go to colashions and it’ will say hes the image of the invisible God first born of all creation only Jehovah has all ways excited why do you think there called father and son or it’s a mystery
@@michaelhaigh9182 "the ONLY Begotten..." He's the only one that is begotten. No angel, no human, no one else is begotten. If HE were created, HE would not be Divine, or part of the Godhead. Yahshua is Divine and part of the Godhead by being begotten, coming out of His Father, and receiving divinity by inheritance. Otherwise Lucifer could lay claim that he could be part of the Godhead, like he desired wrongfully so, since he was created just like supposedly Yahshua was. In summation, Begotten is only attributable to Yahshua, and no one else. Every other being in our existence is created.
I’d say Jesus is the image of the invisible God the first born of all creation and to back that up Jesus said he his the beginning of the creation of God so that is what yesterday means so if that billions of years ago then that it but Jehovah has excited from time indefinite to time indefinite
Monogenes... in my strong concordance (online) the word is placed in context in biblical and non biblical texts in koine-greek. All converge to the same: only-begotten. Anyway, its a blessing to have an historian in our faith.
Hebrews1: 1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? 6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. No one can contest “Thus saith the Lord” Except those who have other gods and have twisted the Word of God
Although I am in agreement that the pioneers believed in the true only begotten Son, I would just like to point out that Uriah Smith could not have published that in 1909 because he died in 1903.
The reason that I used the 1909 date was because I was quoting from the 1909 printing of "Thoughts on Daniel and Revelation" printed by Southern Publishing Association, Nashville, Tennessee 1909. Yes, he died in 1903 but the book I was quoting from was printed and published in 1909. At this particular time, the church still accepted his views on the Sonship of Christ. I believe this is strong evidence against the church being trinitarian at this late date, 1909.
Micah 5:2 from everlasting to everlasting Isaiah 43:10,11 in the old testament Jesus is only God Jacob caĺled him Almighty Moses call him I Am Jesus said I am
The Son shares the name and powers/authority of the Father. The begotten Son was probably Who met Moses in the dezert bush ...I AM. As the representative of the Father, He was entitled to use the name of the Father, yet He is not the Father.
TM 36.2 Those who assert that the Seventh-day Adventist churches constitute Babylon, or any part of Babylon, might better stay at home. Let them stop and consider what is the message to be proclaimed at this time. In place of working with divine agencies to prepare a people to stand in the day of the Lord, they have taken their stand with him who is an accuser of the brethren, who accuses them before God day and night.
The quote from Mrs. Ellen White that you used to prove your point you are very wrong on it. She did not say by creation but NOT by CREATION Christ has always been and always will be He was not created at some point in life. Also The FATHER, The SON, and The HOLY SPRIT are all the same they are all equal you are spreading the lie that satan did back in the garden of Eden that they would surly not die. Satan has down played the very existence of JESUS and to say that He wasn’t equal with His FATHER is a lie. You are miss quoting the SOP to meet your needs. God will hold you accountable the quotes you are trying to use from the old pioneers were not lead by the HOLY SPRIT only ELLEN G WHITE she was the true and only Prophet of GOD. Uriah Smith was wrong on so many things even Mrs. White told him so. We are not to be miss leading people we are told in the word of God the Bible that this would happen more so in the last days that if possible the very elect shall be deceived. People I beg of you to please make sure you are not being misled time is way to short I agree that the SDA Church is wrong on some things they teach but this man has no truth to give when he can’t even go by the SOP and take it for what she says it is that pretty bad. He gave the quote about the three reasons Christ was begotten and he messed it up go back and look at it again he said that creation was one of the ways Christ was begotten meaning He was created or can to be at some point. The quote he used from the pen of Mrs. Ellen White was he was Not Created. But the man talking said that he was.I will pray that Gods true people will open their eyes before it’s to late by these false teachers. Blessings!
H3205 יָלַד yalad (yaw-lad') v. 1. to bear young. 2. (causatively) to beget. 3. (medically) to act as midwife. 4. (specifically) to show lineage. [a primitive root] KJV: bear, beget, birth(-day), born, (make to) bring forth (children, young), bring up, calve, child, come, be delivered (of a child), time of delivery, gender, hatch, labour, (do the office of a) midwife, declare pedigrees, be the son of, (woman in, woman that) travail(-eth, -ing woman). G3439 μονογενής monogenes (mo-no-ǰe-nees') adj. only-born (i.e. sole). KJV: only (begotten, child)
Jesus is not the I AM And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, 👉Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,👈hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Exodus 3:15 👉The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus👈; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him. Acts 3:13 ASV
You should make a statement like that it's not apostate Church they might be wrong in the doctrine but they're not doing it on purpose and God is always in charge of the church
Jesus is Jehovah Exodus 3-14 KJV And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. It was Christ who from the bush on Mount Horeb spoke to Moses saying, “I AM THAT I AM: Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” This was the pledge of Israel's deliverance. So when He came “in the likeness of men,” He declared Himself the I AM. The Child of Bethlehem, the meek and lowly Saviour, is God “manifest in the flesh.” 1 Timothy 3-16. 42 . FLB 47.5
Jesus is Jehovah Exodus 3-14 KJV And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. It was Christ who from the bush on Mount Horeb spoke to Moses saying, “I AM THAT I AM: Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” This was the pledge of Israel's deliverance. So when He came “in the likeness of men,” He declared Himself the I AM. The Child of Bethlehem, the meek and lowly Saviour, is God “manifest in the flesh.” 1 Timothy 3-16. 42 . FLB 47.5
Virgin birth doctrine is pagan in origin. The scriptures clearly teach that Joseph is his biological father. From the line of kings the massiah will come, not from the line of queens. Say no to the Demigod doctrine.
Jesus was begotten at his resurrection Acts 13-33 KJV God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. Ellen White agrees. “We declare unto you glad tidings,” the apostle continued, “how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that He hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten Thee. And as concerning that He raised Him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, He said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore He saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption. For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: but He, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.” AA 172.1
God created Jesus in His image before anything else existed. God did not need a woman to create Jesus. God is invisible, a Holy Spirit, and so was Jesus. Both of them were Gods. God has given Jesus the task to create all things which He did. Joh 17:4 Let Us make man proves the existence of more than one God. Elohim, plural of God. When Jesus gave up His deity to come to earth as man, a total human being, Joh 17:5 confirms that He gave up His deity status. He was not God on this earth, as that would defy His role as Savior, the one who would take all the sin on His shoulders when He died on the cross for mankind. If He was God on earth, He could NOT have died and satan could use this argument at the final judgement. The New Testament confirms the singularity of God, Theos, after Jesus came to this earth, and when God confirmed from heaven at Jesus' baptism that Jesus is His beloved Son, indicates to us the relationship between God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. Jesus could not have been the Son of God if God did not create Jesus. The trinity teaching is a confusing teaching, the same technique that the great deceiver, satan, used from the beginning to confuse mankind. That is the only truth with no gimmicks and twists etc in between. After Jesus rose from the dead and took His seat at the right hand of God, He received back His powers that He gave up when He came to earth and one of His powers is that of omni-potency, which means that He could be on earth at the same time while He is in heaven. Did Jesus not say, Where two or more are gathered in My Name, there I will be? Did He also not say that He will be with mankind until the end of time. Do we see Him on this earth now, No, because He is in Spirit form here, right now, as the Holy Spirit. He makes contact with those believers and fills them with His powers which comes directly from God. Jesus is the only link between God and mankind as He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me. Joh 14:6 .
You are not the first to leave the church of the SDA's and you won't be the last. There is an awakening that needs to happen IN the church for sure but your way is not the answer. If you read the SP and the Bible with the power and light of God, Christ and the Holy Spirit you would learn what is God's truth and not be lead astray by man. This message is all over the place with interpretations and there are times you don't seem to even agree with your own ideas. We don't have a great understanding of the created world we live in and have no understanding of the uncreated world of God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. Basic all we know is there has never been a time They did not exist and They are different from us and the angels as we are all created by and for Them. Faith and Trust is very good thing to have here. My guess is you will not hear what I am saying and write me off as a stupid old lady. A verse in the Bible comes to my mind. I am sure you know it and maybe think it is true of me too. I think it applies to all who twist God's word to us and try to prove we are right and God has to made say what we want to believe. I have always thought it was us that needs to learn, not God. John 12:37-40 37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: 38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? 39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. Years ago I got discouraged by what was happening in the church and fellowshipped with a group like you. I found that the problems were just as plentiful there as in the organized church. We are born in sin and till we are translated that will remain in us. Only by the power of God in our lives can we be free from that fact working in us. It is a daily battle and all the victory and glory is a gift from God.
There is evidence the some SDA pioneers held Arians ideas. But, EG White was clear that Jesus is eternal, no beginning nor end, because is God. Suggest that she approved Arian ideas is contrary to the evidence of her writings.
The Bible is very clear about the eternity of Christ. He is called “Eternal Father” eternal by definition does not had any kind of beginning. The Bible is above any written of any pioneer no matter how influential or smart was the pioneer.
Thanks Pastor Butler for your quotes about the Son of God. Many ministers and laymen are teaching another Jesus nowadays.
Gal 1: 6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Amen
A literal begotten Son of God is the salvational, false Bible versions offer deception of a unique son who's a metaphor. Mercy. Apostate Protestantism has fallen prey of deception by the spiritualistic teachings of Trinity. Terrible.
Thank you Pastor Butler.
A well done sermon.
Praise the Lord! I pray that it will not only equip the saints with a better understanding of the subject but also help many respond kindly to those who use the "unique" language to dismiss the true Sonship of Christ.
@@Seventh-dayChurchofRevelation Yes the word 'unique'.
It is used by a leader in a study group. My mother attends this same group.
The oddity of it all is? She speaks of and swears by?... the pre 1888 EGW literature.
Try to figure that out !
@@Seventh-dayChurchofRevelationThere are those that 'bend' the meaning of MONOGENES.
There is a Greek word that translates to 'unique'.
That word is MONODIKOS.
The origin of Christ is NOT depicted by this word.
@@canadiancontrarian3668: *The word is monadikós (μοναδικός) and it antedates Christianity, having been employed by Aristotle, Philo, and others. The Greek word monadikos (μοναδικός) means unique or one of a kind and nothing else, as native Greeks know. Its morphology hasn't changed in over two thousand years. monadikos (μοναδικός) is the word that Greek speakers have been using for unique for more than two thousand years, and it is the word native Greeks still use today when they want to say unique or one of a kind.*
*Neither has the morphology of (monogenes) μονογενης changed in over two thousand years, and monogenes has always meant only begotten or its equivalent.*
*Just as only begotten is not equivalent to unique, so monogenes is not equivalent to monadikos. The Greek word monogenes does not mean unique, nor has it ever. The Greek word monadikós means unique. It has always meant unique.*
*Had the writers of the New Testament wanted to say unique, they would have used the Greek word which means unique - monadikós (μοναδικός).*
*The reason the writers of the New Testament didn’t employ monadikos when they penned the New Testament is simple - because the writers of the New Testament didn’t mean unique. The writers of the New Testament meant only begotten or its equivalent. That’s why they used the word monogenes (μονογενης) instead of monadikós (μοναδικός).*
In every instance of *μονογενης (monogenes)* in the NT, the meaning ‘only begotten’ fits the context better than ‘one of a kind’ or unique’. It may be concluded that the usage of *μονογενης (monogenes)* that there is clear warrant for retaining the meaning ‘only begotten’. If *μονογενης* truly mean ‘one of a kind’ or ‘unique’, without any reference to ‘begetting’, then one might expect *μονογενης (monogenes) * could be used of a brother or sister and even of a father. Therefor we might expect to also find *μονογενης αδελφος* meaning ‘one of a kind/unique brother’, or *μονογενης αδελφη* meaning ‘one of a kind/unique sister’ and *μονογενης πατηρ* meaning ‘one of a kind/unique father’. Such expressions do not occur throughout the whole of Greek literature. *Whenever μονογενης (monogenes) is used in the context of personal relationship, the relationship is always that of offspring to parent. This strongly suggest that the concept of ‘begotten’ is indeed present in μονογενης (monogenes) .*
*μονογενης (monogenes)* is a Greek adjective consisting of two parts, *μονο (mono) and γενης (genes).* There is no argument regarding the derivation of the first part of the word; it is from the Greek word *μονον (monon)*, an adverb meaning ‘only’. The difference of opinion only arises in regard to the second part of the word, *γενης.* The traditional view is that *γενης* is to be derived from the Greek verb *γενναω* Strong’s 1080 (‘*meaning to beget, conceive*‘), so that *μονογενης* meaning ‘class’, ‘sort’, ‘kind’, so that *μονογενης* must mean ‘one of a kind’ or ‘unique’. In support of the letter view, some point out that *γενος* has only a single v (the Greek letter, pronounced ‘nu’) as does *μονογενης while γενναω* has two v’s. So which etymology is correct?
If the type was not literal than the anti-type should also not be literal, but this is not so. The Bible is clear that the type and anti-type are both literal Father and Son. Nowhere in the Bible do we read that Jesus is a unique or metaphorical Son, but it rather gives the direct opposite repeatedly.
*The claim that the γενης (genes) [Strongs 1085 meaning descendant, Family] ending of μονογενης is to be derived from γενος with the meaning ‘class’, or ‘sort’, ‘kind’, may be tested by examining the meaning of the γενης ending in a similar Greek adjective which also have the same two-part structure.*
*Herewith a list of such adjectives.*
*1* πρωτογενης: - *first born* -
*2* ομογενης: - *of the same race or family*
*3* πολυγενης: - *of many families* -
*4* αγεηνς: - *not of noble birth; low born*
*5* παλιγενης: - *born again, generated anew* -
*6* ευγενης: - *well born, high born*
*7* αγεννης: - *low born δυσγενης: low born* -
*8* προγενης: - *born before*
*9* συγγενης: - *related, akin*
It may be observed that in all the above-mentioned [9] words the concept of ‘begetting’ or ‘derivation by birth’ is clearly present.
@@seekertruth3577 Amen.
Yes my spelling had a typo.
I have been looking for a non trinitarian SDA church. Your presentations are such a blessing. Where is this church located?
Thank you for your kind words. Where are you located?
Dallas tx
Jesus is God and God does not have beginning or end. To believe that He had a beginning or was created is a heresy!
He is the begotten son as he was conceived in unique manner, Mary was 100% human and the Holy Spirit, Now how many chromosomes that he have? Only 23 from Mary? This kind of the questions are beyond or limited understanding. That is a mystery that we maybe will never understand maybe no even in the eternity.
Of course the was made better than the angels at the time of his incarnation because he was the only one could save us. No angel could do that!
Why have men in creeds call that heresy? Maybe because they didn't care about what bible teaches after all this creed was all about politics and the empire of constatine
Excellent presentation! I've been espousing this belief since the early 2000's when I started reading the bible more in depth, some of the SDA pioneer's writings, and of course EGW's writings, led by the Holy Spirit. I am so glad to see that the light is shining on more SDA believers and non SDA believers as well. I really do believe that YAH is gathering HIS people together in these last days. May Yahshua bless you and thus ministry.
Yes Jesus was created he’s the image of the invisible God the first born of all creation born means like me and you but Jesus was created by God so simple plus revelation 3 v 14 reads iam the beginning of the creation by God
@@michaelhaigh9182 Correction. Yahshua was not created, but Begotten. He is the only one being that is Begotten, as the true, only, and literal devine SON of YAH.
@@mariodelarosa5722 what do’s revelation 3 v 14 say he’s the beginning of the creation by God ? Or go to colashions and it’ will say hes the image of the invisible God first born of all creation only Jehovah has all ways excited why do you think there called father and son or it’s a mystery
@@mariodelarosa5722 do you no what begotten means ? It means he was created check that out or Begot it will say that it’s means created ? Simple
@@michaelhaigh9182 "the ONLY Begotten..." He's the only one that is begotten. No angel, no human, no one else is begotten. If HE were created, HE would not be Divine, or part of the Godhead. Yahshua is Divine and part of the Godhead by being begotten, coming out of His Father, and receiving divinity by inheritance. Otherwise Lucifer could lay claim that he could be part of the Godhead, like he desired wrongfully so, since he was created just like supposedly Yahshua was. In summation, Begotten is only attributable to Yahshua, and no one else. Every other being in our existence is created.
Very good thought process and excellent quotes thanks
Thanks a lot, may God bless you.
It makes me shudder to even think that Jesus was a role player and playing the role of a hypocrite
God bless you , richly. Amen.
Uniquely begotten......excellent! I have been teaching this for a long time. Thank you.
Excellent presentation. Thank you.
PTL! Glad it was a blessing.
I’d say Jesus is the image of the invisible God the first born of all creation and to back that up Jesus said he his the beginning of the creation of God so that is what yesterday means so if that billions of years ago then that it but Jehovah has excited from time indefinite to time indefinite
Monogenes... in my strong concordance (online) the word is placed in context in biblical and non biblical texts in koine-greek. All converge to the same: only-begotten. Anyway, its a blessing to have an historian in our faith.
Hebrews1: 1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
5For unto which of the angels said he at any time,
Thou art my Son,
This day have I begotten thee?
And again,
I will be to him a Father,
And he shall be to me a Son?
6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
No one can contest “Thus saith the Lord”
Except those who have other gods and have twisted the Word of God
So do adventists not believe in the trinity
Ellen White was still living in 1911. It is my understanding that she approved of every change made to the 1888 GC.
Although I am in agreement that the pioneers believed in the true only begotten Son, I would just like to point out that Uriah Smith could not have published that in 1909 because he died in 1903.
The reason that I used the 1909 date was because I was quoting from the 1909 printing of "Thoughts on Daniel and Revelation" printed by Southern Publishing Association, Nashville, Tennessee 1909. Yes, he died in 1903 but the book I was quoting from was printed and published in 1909. At this particular time, the church still accepted his views on the Sonship of Christ. I believe this is strong evidence against the church being trinitarian at this late date, 1909.
Micah 5:2 from everlasting to everlasting Isaiah 43:10,11 in the old testament Jesus is only God Jacob caĺled him Almighty Moses call him I Am Jesus said I am
Jesus is the Son of the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob.
The Son shares the name and powers/authority of the Father. The begotten Son was probably Who met Moses in the dezert bush ...I AM. As the representative of the Father, He was entitled to use the name of the Father, yet He is not the Father.
TM 36.2
Those who assert that the Seventh-day Adventist churches constitute Babylon, or any part of Babylon, might better stay at home. Let them stop and consider what is the message to be proclaimed at this time. In place of working with divine agencies to prepare a people to stand in the day of the Lord, they have taken their stand with him who is an accuser of the brethren, who accuses them before God day and night.
The quote from Mrs. Ellen White that you used to prove your point you are very wrong on it. She did not say by creation but NOT by CREATION Christ has always been and always will be He was not created at some point in life. Also The FATHER, The SON, and The HOLY SPRIT are all the same they are all equal you are spreading the lie that satan did back in the garden of Eden that they would surly not die. Satan has down played the very existence of JESUS and to say that He wasn’t equal with His FATHER is a lie. You are miss quoting the SOP to meet your needs. God will hold you accountable the quotes you are trying to use from the old pioneers were not lead by the HOLY SPRIT only ELLEN G WHITE she was the true and only Prophet of GOD. Uriah Smith was wrong on so many things even Mrs. White told him so. We are not to be miss leading people we are told in the word of God the Bible that this would happen more so in the last days that if possible the very elect shall be deceived. People I beg of you to please make sure you are not being misled time is way to short I agree that the SDA Church is wrong on some things they teach but this man has no truth to give when he can’t even go by the SOP and take it for what she says it is that pretty bad. He gave the quote about the three reasons Christ was begotten and he messed it up go back and look at it again he said that creation was one of the ways Christ was begotten meaning He was created or can to be at some point. The quote he used from the pen of Mrs. Ellen White was he was Not Created. But the man talking said that he was.I will pray that Gods true people will open their eyes before it’s to late by these false teachers. Blessings!
Well the Bible says "begotten" meaning "he who is like me."
H3205 יָלַד yalad (yaw-lad') v.
1. to bear young.
2. (causatively) to beget.
3. (medically) to act as midwife.
4. (specifically) to show lineage.
[a primitive root]
KJV: bear, beget, birth(-day), born, (make to) bring forth (children, young), bring up, calve, child, come, be delivered (of a child), time of delivery, gender, hatch, labour, (do the office of a) midwife, declare pedigrees, be the son of, (woman in, woman that) travail(-eth, -ing woman).
G3439 μονογενής monogenes (mo-no-ǰe-nees') adj.
only-born (i.e. sole).
KJV: only (begotten, child)
This teaching is how Satan is workinv to chip away at the fact that Jesus is the I am and is from everlasting. He is the Word and was in the begining.
Jesus is not the I AM
And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, 👉Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,👈hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Exodus 3:15
👉The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus👈; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him.
Acts 3:13 ASV
Doesnt want "30 seminars" but opens with conversion being "bit by bit"
You should make a statement like that it's not apostate Church they might be wrong in the doctrine but they're not doing it on purpose and God is always in charge of the church
It's good to note that am not the only one whe thinks jususe is unque and begotten
Means jesus was created and direct creation by Jehovah God
That what's make him the unique son of Jehovah God
Jesus is Jehovah
Exodus 3-14 KJV
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
It was Christ who from the bush on Mount Horeb spoke to Moses saying, “I AM THAT I AM: Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” This was the pledge of Israel's deliverance. So when He came “in the likeness of men,” He declared Himself the I AM. The Child of Bethlehem, the meek and lowly Saviour, is God “manifest in the flesh.” 1 Timothy 3-16. 42 . FLB 47.5
Would be good to learn some Greek !!!
Jesus is Jehovah
Exodus 3-14 KJV
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
It was Christ who from the bush on Mount Horeb spoke to Moses saying, “I AM THAT I AM: Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” This was the pledge of Israel's deliverance. So when He came “in the likeness of men,” He declared Himself the I AM. The Child of Bethlehem, the meek and lowly Saviour, is God “manifest in the flesh.” 1 Timothy 3-16. 42 . FLB 47.5
Virgin birth doctrine is pagan in origin. The scriptures clearly teach that Joseph is his biological father. From the line of kings the massiah will come, not from the line of queens. Say no to the Demigod doctrine.
Jesus is the begotten son
God bless you so much!
Jesus was begotten at his resurrection
Acts 13-33 KJV
God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Ellen White agrees.
“We declare unto you glad tidings,” the apostle continued, “how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that He hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten Thee. And as concerning that He raised Him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, He said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore He saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption. For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: but He, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.” AA 172.1
God created Jesus in His image before anything else existed. God did not need a woman to create Jesus.
God is invisible, a Holy Spirit, and so was Jesus. Both of them were Gods.
God has given Jesus the task to create all things which He did. Joh 17:4
Let Us make man proves the existence of more than one God. Elohim, plural of God.
When Jesus gave up His deity to come to earth as man, a total human being, Joh 17:5 confirms that He gave up His deity status.
He was not God on this earth, as that would defy His role as Savior, the one who would take all the sin on His shoulders when He died on the cross for mankind.
If He was God on earth, He could NOT have died and satan could use this argument at the final judgement.
The New Testament confirms the singularity of God, Theos, after Jesus came to this earth, and when God confirmed from heaven at Jesus' baptism that Jesus is His beloved Son, indicates to us the relationship between God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
Jesus could not have been the Son of God if God did not create Jesus.
The trinity teaching is a confusing teaching, the same technique that the great deceiver, satan, used from the beginning to confuse mankind.
That is the only truth with no gimmicks and twists etc in between.
After Jesus rose from the dead and took His seat at the right hand of God, He received back His powers that He gave up when He came to earth and one of His powers is that of omni-potency, which means that He could be on earth at the same time while He is in heaven.
Did Jesus not say, Where two or more are gathered in My Name, there I will be?
Did He also not say that He will be with mankind until the end of time.
Do we see Him on this earth now, No, because He is in Spirit form here, right now, as the Holy Spirit.
He makes contact with those believers and fills them with His powers which comes directly from God.
Jesus is the only link between God and mankind as He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me. Joh 14:6 .
New sence son of God old sence God eternal
You are not the first to leave the church of the SDA's and you won't be the last. There is an awakening that needs to happen IN the church for sure but your way is not the answer. If you read the SP and the Bible with the power and light of God, Christ and the Holy Spirit you would learn what is God's truth and not be lead astray by man.
This message is all over the place with interpretations and there are times you don't seem to even agree with your own ideas. We don't have a great understanding of the created world we live in and have no understanding of the uncreated world of God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. Basic all we know is there has never been a time They did not exist and They are different from us and the angels as we are all created by and for Them. Faith and Trust is very good thing to have here.
My guess is you will not hear what I am saying and write me off as a stupid old lady. A verse in the Bible comes to my mind. I am sure you know it and maybe think it is true of me too. I think it applies to all who twist God's word to us and try to prove we are right and God has to made say what we want to believe. I have always thought it was us that needs to learn, not God.
John 12:37-40
37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Years ago I got discouraged by what was happening in the church and fellowshipped with a group like you. I found that the problems were just as plentiful there as in the organized church. We are born in sin and till we are translated that will remain in us. Only by the power of God in our lives can we be free from that fact working in us. It is a daily battle and all the victory and glory is a gift from God.
An excellent presentation. Thank you.