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Yeah, these days we have commander's that either generate their own health or lowers health on enemy targets. Also maybe this is an BYG Pi calculation issue.
This video is EXCELLENT! I know a lot of viewers get turned off by the math but this subject matter is so meaningful to serious players. I haven't see this type of thorough analysis since wick stopped doing RoK content.
Best way to see what works for you is to go out their and fight and see. Have some fun in Ark to see what you can do. And move things around till it works. I always say the best way to run your account is to do what you like so you enjoy what you have done and can be proud of it.
for infantry and golden equip, there is only def and attack, so getting any extra health will always be better, imo , until they introduce new equip ..
First of all: amazing upload! Not only you could eloquently explain even the minuteness of the considerations, but it was also a multi-perspective overview! But can I offer my side of the experience when facing a content like this? Even tho the english is clear - I still can get confused halfway thru the video. So you suggestion that definetly would add even more quality to the video - is to try to work with graphics and more concrete examples... anything to try to apply the theoretical part of the whole thing but regardless of that, always following your content man, your the guy 💪 n u also veri cute bro no homo
You used scipio and mehmed at the same time. Mehmet gives 20 health, maybe that's why he got more health than defense. but in meta they use scipio honda or alex or guan-scipio. Even if you use mehmed, you can get closer to health with 10 defense buffs and 10 defensive runes. as you mentioned at the end of the video, scipio can drop 30 health and they are very much in the field. The hidden dagger is still used a lot. nice video good job
hello, i just want to know, where is the source or what are you based to show that formula.. how we know that the factors are well placed in that formula? coz in battlefield you still got best trades with health/def based gears than attack bases gear in 2022
The DEVs will never explain the combat system because that will allow to be even simpler to players jam the system, like they already do to the 1 troops march. For example in ogame a game where I spent too much time with the time ai start to have a good understanding of how the system worked, so one day when a member of my alliance was being attacked and couldn't run away i have a idea to jam the system, basically we made thousands of the cheapest ships, probes, and we send all available probes to defend the planet, probes do no damage but the ships only can destroy a limited number of probes per turn, most of the ships sent by the attacker first attack the probes and other ships and only after they attack the planet defenses, so each fight have 6 turns in this 6 turns due to the number of probes we managed to force a tie, the attacker ships destroy 4/5k probes and the planet defenses destroy 4 or 5 ships, but each porbe cost like 500 cristal and a attack ship cost 500k metal and 100k cristal and because os the tie he cant steal resources so in the end the attacker lost a lot. Was it fair? Is this cheating? Well this is a well know tactic use cheap ships as fodder against stronger and more powerful ships but before this it was not common to use probes for this, proves are realy realy fast so you can join them to the fleet in the last seconds and change the outcome of the battle.
Perhaps, although I think most people are open field fighters hahaha very few should be rally or garrison lead. The battle formula is different for rally/garrison as well because it ads modifiers to speed up the battle so I'm not entirely sure how that works
@@OmniarchOfficial garrisson and ralli , you wanna get The objective more fast! So, if you have ppl tô fill ,go attack and you ill put pression on the otherside..
@@marceloaragao4425 health=garisson,attack=rallying defence=open field my friend. BUT at overall need more research ofc this is just a general view only.
Oh I forgot to reply thanks here! :) You've helped me be a lot better at the game as a new player at the time and still now just doing my first kvk 1 :D
I think that (and this is just my non min-maxer opinion) the best stat to get is the one you have the least of. It just happens to be health, when defense and attack are everywhere?
Hey omni, great video but I have a question. I’m just entering the season of conquest and need good commander pairings. I’m a cavalry main and I have saladin 5511 as my main cavalry commander for the moment. What should my pairings be?
You wanna know if your marche is good? Go out and try it in the field all those stats are just numbers in best case scenario in real battlefield lot of " randoms" things will screw up your maths and expectations just fight and see but still interesting good video thanks !
Hi Omni, new player here with a qn... noticed you use talented frost threads (7.5% def) instead of talented scarlet hounds (5.5% health). Isn't the blue boots better as it gives health?
Using simple math to prove the defense and health concept, simplifying the stats with units: When Defense = 4 and health = 1: result of defense x health = 4. Increasing 1 unit of defense gives u 5, but increasing 1 unit of health gives you 8. Conversely, assuming defense = 2 and health = 3: result of defense x health = 6. Increasing 1 unit of defense gives u 9, but increasing 1 unit of health gives you 8. easiest way to think about building towards health/defense is to just build the one that's lowest. Since the denominator is a result of multiplication of Def and health, increase/decrease of base stat and percentage stat should be viewed independent of each other. don't see them together and it'll be much more simplified
You see, this is why I don’t like thinking…some topics, or in some cases, most topics are so complex, that the more you know, the less everything makes sense…rise of kingdoms, and politics, for example!
Its always a long long discussion. Wiki on gis videos always stated that things must be tested but many players considered his videos pure law...even after his leave a year ago. But things change. If you look at Archers Den, majority of archer there consider attack more important than health for stats, for example.
@Anupam Baglari show me reports proving attack is better for archers; I didn't ask for consensus last time I checked archers den they didnt have proof attack is better for archers
I always thought the health and defense is separate part of the formula. Purely because the more defense you have the less damage you take. Meaning the opponents white damage number on your troops decreases. Thay white number after ward's get subtracted from your troops health calculating your sligtly wounded and sev wounded troops. My formula would probably be... Troop number + troop attack ÷ by opppnents troop defense . Then subtracting that number from opppnents troop number + troop health. I know i could be wrong. But i always think that defense and health as separate stat points. More defense less attack damage taken and more health point increasing your troops hit points. My 2 cents anyways
But why stack the thing that he reduces? Feels as if the correct call here would be to ignore health. If i have 100 base health and he debuffs me, i lose 30 health. I f i have 300 health and he debuffs me, i lose 90 health. Wouldn't it be smarter to go all attack and nuke the fucker? All attack and a health/def debuf perhaps?
For my opinion as Rome Civ for 2 yrs, defense is number one important rather health. Defense can encounter normal attack and skill damage, but health cannot.
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Yeah, these days we have commander's that either generate their own health or lowers health on enemy targets.
Also maybe this is an BYG Pi calculation issue.
This video is EXCELLENT! I know a lot of viewers get turned off by the math but this subject matter is so meaningful to serious players. I haven't see this type of thorough analysis since wick stopped doing RoK content.
Thank you! I stand on the shoulders of those before me, so I don’t deserve all the credit
Dude I didn’t even know you were in my Season Of Conquest event, I just saw your city a moment ago. I’m in Kingdom 2372.
We need more of these videos because tbh none of us know how the fuck fighting stats work
LMAOOOO TRUEEE
Best way to see what works for you is to go out their and fight and see. Have some fun in Ark to see what you can do. And move things around till it works. I always say the best way to run your account is to do what you like so you enjoy what you have done and can be proud of it.
Absolutely :) Very true! Better to test in Ark where the losses aren't permanent
Absolutely!
Wise words from a top player wink wink
@@richardclarke1529 thank you, sir! I'll take all the compliments I can get.
I always get my best trades when I have a 10% health rune vs any other war rune.
Scipio + Mehmed is a perfect example. Thanks!
for infantry and golden equip, there is only def and attack, so getting any extra health will always be better, imo , until they introduce new equip ..
11:42….I’ve never seen purple 10% defense shield. I’ve only see 5%. Where do you get your hands on that?
VIP shop and some rare events :)
@@OmniarchOfficial yeah…my account is 810 days old and I’ve never noticed that in VIP shop….crazy!
First of all: amazing upload! Not only you could eloquently explain even the minuteness of the considerations, but it was also a multi-perspective overview!
But can I offer my side of the experience when facing a content like this?
Even tho the english is clear - I still can get confused halfway thru the video. So you suggestion that definetly would add even more quality to the video - is to try to work with graphics and more concrete examples... anything to try to apply the theoretical part of the whole thing
but regardless of that, always following your content man, your the guy 💪
n u also veri cute bro
no homo
I like gate keeper shield 🛡 but I’m trying to get 4 infantry set so what do I do?
grind
Gatekeepers shield is great for most marches, I wouldn’t worry about it!
You used scipio and mehmed at the same time. Mehmet gives 20 health, maybe that's why he got more health than defense. but in meta they use scipio honda or alex or guan-scipio. Even if you use mehmed, you can get closer to health with 10 defense buffs and 10 defensive runes. as you mentioned at the end of the video, scipio can drop 30 health and they are very much in the field. The hidden dagger is still used a lot. nice video good job
hello, i just want to know, where is the source or what are you based to show that formula.. how we know that the factors are well placed in that formula? coz in battlefield you still got best trades with health/def based gears than attack bases gear in 2022
Please tell me what is better for duel(1x1) 20% attack or 15% health?
The DEVs will never explain the combat system because that will allow to be even simpler to players jam the system, like they already do to the 1 troops march.
For example in ogame a game where I spent too much time with the time ai start to have a good understanding of how the system worked, so one day when a member of my alliance was being attacked and couldn't run away i have a idea to jam the system, basically we made thousands of the cheapest ships, probes, and we send all available probes to defend the planet, probes do no damage but the ships only can destroy a limited number of probes per turn, most of the ships sent by the attacker first attack the probes and other ships and only after they attack the planet defenses, so each fight have 6 turns in this 6 turns due to the number of probes we managed to force a tie, the attacker ships destroy 4/5k probes and the planet defenses destroy 4 or 5 ships, but each porbe cost like 500 cristal and a attack ship cost 500k metal and 100k cristal and because os the tie he cant steal resources so in the end the attacker lost a lot.
Was it fair? Is this cheating?
Well this is a well know tactic use cheap ships as fodder against stronger and more powerful ships but before this it was not common to use probes for this, proves are realy realy fast so you can join them to the fleet in the last seconds and change the outcome of the battle.
When it says base health is that boost health open field or only during garrison cuz I thought was only for your base not open field
I’ve said this entire video to everyone since the very beginning before iconic 😅
Heatlh is better only for open field! If you have a lot of ppl to fill rally or garrisson, attack is better
Perhaps, although I think most people are open field fighters hahaha very few should be rally or garrison lead. The battle formula is different for rally/garrison as well because it ads modifiers to speed up the battle so I'm not entirely sure how that works
@@OmniarchOfficial garrisson and ralli , you wanna get The objective more fast! So, if you have ppl tô fill ,go attack and you ill put pression on the otherside..
@@marceloaragao4425 health=garisson,attack=rallying defence=open field my friend. BUT at overall need more research ofc this is just a general view only.
Hey Omniarch, when you add your commander to someone else's rally, does the commander you use matter at all? Or do only the troops matter?
Only troop level and type should match requested type
Troop type and level!
Oh I forgot to reply thanks here! :) You've helped me be a lot better at the game as a new player at the time and still now just doing my first kvk 1 :D
Epic as usual. You work too hard for us ❤️
Thank you! 😁
I think that (and this is just my non min-maxer opinion) the best stat to get is the one you have the least of. It just happens to be health, when defense and attack are everywhere?
should i go for expertiesed scipio or go for 5511 boudica/ nevsky 5551 scipio, inf main with full legendary equpment full epic equipment on archer/cav
If you only have epic equipment for archers/cavs and all legendary for infantry I'd say go Scipio first :)
No, Use Boudica with YSG and Scipio Nevsky. Not the optimal pairing putting inf/Cav commander's together
Just max Scipio and don’t use him with Nevsky. That’s horrible advice 😂
sick video, keep up the hard graft oh also dont leave ROK community we need you
I feel like my brain get larger by watching this
Are you planning to make a video for Call of dragons?
I've made a video discussing it as well as a full live stream playing it!
Great video.
Thanks! :)
22:38 there is nev with his def reduction too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And XY too! Hard to say, but since you’ll usually have more def then health anyway, I’d say still optimize for scipio debuff
@@OmniarchOfficial yep agree
This Scipio popularity argument is fine and all, but there are a TON of commanders with a defence debuff that are just as popular.
Yes that’s true but on average you’ll have more defense to “lose” to bring the ratio closer to 1:1
Good video, very interesting, if I face a player in a group that doubles my power, it is better to have a higher attack or health?
i like balance bcz i don't wanna get confuse wer newbies in da game going to kvk1😍
Hey omni, great video but I have a question. I’m just entering the season of conquest and need good commander pairings. I’m a cavalry main and I have saladin 5511 as my main cavalry commander for the moment. What should my pairings be?
Saladin 5551 William 5551. Until then Mehmet 5511(dont use Universal Heads in him) with relict will do good with Saladin.
if you duel blue shield vs talented eternal night weapon, same commanders and buffs, it will outperform it.
27% ATK(talented legendary shield without iconic) will probably outperform 10% health. Not worth going for bcs to expensive
You wanna know if your marche is good? Go out and try it in the field all those stats are just numbers in best case scenario in real battlefield lot of " randoms" things will screw up your maths and expectations just fight and see but still interesting good video thanks !
Hi Omni, new player here with a qn... noticed you use talented frost threads (7.5% def) instead of talented scarlet hounds (5.5% health). Isn't the blue boots better as it gives health?
Yea if they were both 7.5, but 7.5 def is probably better than 5.5 health. And 5.5 health is better than 6.5 attack, for example.
I’m replacing my shield +8 defense for hammer +25 attack soon , and will be curious how noticeable it will be 🫣.
Rok live stream when?😅
Maybe next week? Got it all set up last night!
@@OmniarchOfficial rip,let down bro. Will be expecting a live stream next week
Using simple math to prove the defense and health concept, simplifying the stats with units:
When Defense = 4 and health = 1: result of defense x health = 4. Increasing 1 unit of defense gives u 5, but increasing 1 unit of health gives you 8.
Conversely, assuming defense = 2 and health = 3:
result of defense x health = 6. Increasing 1 unit of defense gives u 9, but increasing 1 unit of health gives you 8.
easiest way to think about building towards health/defense is to just build the one that's lowest. Since the denominator is a result of multiplication of Def and health, increase/decrease of base stat and percentage stat should be viewed independent of each other. don't see them together and it'll be much more simplified
You see, this is why I don’t like thinking…some topics, or in some cases, most topics are so complex, that the more you know, the less everything makes sense…rise of kingdoms, and politics, for example!
Its always a long long discussion. Wiki on gis videos always stated that things must be tested but many players considered his videos pure law...even after his leave a year ago.
But things change. If you look at Archers Den, majority of archer there consider attack more important than health for stats, for example.
at least Wick did test reports… you are just pure imagination without concrete evidence. Show me the reports
@Anupam Baglari show me reports proving attack is better for archers; I didn't ask for consensus
last time I checked archers den they didnt have proof attack is better for archers
I always thought the health and defense is separate part of the formula. Purely because the more defense you have the less damage you take. Meaning the opponents white damage number on your troops decreases. Thay white number after ward's get subtracted from your troops health calculating your sligtly wounded and sev wounded troops.
My formula would probably be...
Troop number + troop attack ÷ by opppnents troop defense . Then subtracting that number from opppnents troop number + troop health.
I know i could be wrong. But i always think that defense and health as separate stat points. More defense less attack damage taken and more health point increasing your troops hit points.
My 2 cents anyways
As far as i know def decides how Long you will stay on the field and health will Just make the trade better overall.
Clear as mud
Muy bueno 👏👏
You could start uploading Pokémon
I couldddddddddddd but I wonder how many people who follow my channel play it?
@@OmniarchOfficial try making a best Pokémon video or something maybe it will blow up who knows
@@OmniarchOfficial or host a lobby and play with your viewers ?
Lets alll switch to Pokémon ❤
I wouldn't Omniarch. Hate that game and everything about it.
Man this video literally needed my google sheet i made
If you are interested PM me i have a lot to say about health and defense
Just saw it!
@@OmniarchOfficial are you going to share that in a video soon?
I mean like I’m 12 and can still guard you thoo
iconic is basically bad bs. this game is basically bs. If you like being abused, play rok as f2p. If you don't like being abused, rok is not good
Yeah it’s tough being f2p for a game that’s p2w
Terbaik ✌️👍👍😉
:)
I only liked this video because of the Ayyy after you said 69. Keep up the good work.
LMAO Thank you
69% Health...Heyyyy ;-) hahahhaa Loved it
LETS GOOO
Im f2p and i prefer attack because i dont tank
🔥
Thanks :)
Wick 2.0
But why stack the thing that he reduces? Feels as if the correct call here would be to ignore health. If i have 100 base health and he debuffs me, i lose 30 health. I f i have 300 health and he debuffs me, i lose 90 health. Wouldn't it be smarter to go all attack and nuke the fucker? All attack and a health/def debuf perhaps?
Attack 💪
For my opinion as Rome Civ for 2 yrs, defense is number one important rather health. Defense can encounter normal attack and skill damage, but health cannot.
Stop making too good videos you get less views.
LMAO I just make whatever I feel like hahaha
Se mas concreto bro...
Scipio reduces 30% heath but Nevsky can reduce up to 45% 😉
45% def +only when 4people swarm+ Not aoe
so is it or not just reply i dont to watch 30 min math video
Just enjoy the game and have fun man, thats what it’s all about :)
a 25 min video basically saying ‘I don’t know’😅 wtf I thought I was going to see some test reports; at least Chisgule and Wick did their homework
Mouth breather
damn youre straight up biting other people's content. not even trying to hide it anymore
What a foolish thing to say
I don’t think so Defense Is op