I've played the ProV1 for at least 20 years or so. This year, I have been on the hunt for the best ball for my 90-95mph driver swing. The criteria was long off the tee, great feel with mid and short irons, and most importantly, great feel and control with the putter. Some of the $25-$30 ball sound clicky and fly off the putter face. However, I think i have found a couple that feel great off the putter and meet the other criteria too. First up Vice pro (when on sale $152 for 6 dozen $2.11 per ball). The Vice pro feels just like a proV1 does on every club. Like it. Next, the Maxfli Tour ball ($104 4 dozen $2.17 per ball). Really like this one as it seems to be long with driver, irons and feels great on green too. Both of these have X versions (vice pro plus and Maxfli tour X) if your swing speed is 100+mph. Haven't tried the Seed ball yet, but with the Maxfli Tour or the Vice Pro, I don't think I need to.
I agree. I’m more of a Srixon Xv but it’s hard to beat the Maxfli Tour X ball. 48 for $105 is the best value. TXG did a comparison with ProV1 and it’s almost identical in stats.
I tried hitting both a titleist pro v1 and a titleist true feel ball. Both were the same distance I’d expect off various clubs. The true feel is very soft (not a fan of more clicky balls) and I get spin on approach shots like I never did when I was younger and hit harder. Bonus: true feel is just over $2/ball. $25/dozen.
Glad to see a reviewer gutsy enough to say what I've known for years. The only advantage amateurs get from a ProV1 is the nonsensical pride they feel when they get to say on the first tee "I'm playing a ProV1." People will waste money on anything they buy if it puffs up their lagging egos. Conspicuous consumption is a very sad fact of life.
@@TheAverageGolfer I have to agree with you. Titliest ProV1 are great balls and the benchmark but several other balls are now just as good and some may even be better for your game.
@@OfficalMrBlue 60 years old with painful joints, but still a 5 handicap. I use soft balls...vice drive is my favorite. Longer off the driver, and with my distance, not looking to stop it on a dime. 5 rounds of par or better in the past two months, so those who think you need "premium' balls to score are full of it
YES!!! that's all ya really need to say on this video. This is just perfect. This is possibly the most honest video ever seen and produced on youtube. Keep up the great work
I've been playing the Vice Pro Plus for nearly 4 years now because of their quality to price ratio. The Seed balls are slightly more expensive which has been the only reason I have yet to give them a try, but they are next on my list to try.
I met you at Dalmahoy in Edinburgh last summer,You gave me some Seed ballls.Thought they were very good although definitely sounded a little different.I’ve been a Pro v guy for years however being a very Average golfer I think most golf balls would suit me.I’ve got mates that only use one brand off ball just because it’s habit. Great video.
Have started using Kirkland Balls from Costco - excellent value and for the average golfer you cant go wrong. Have lost no distance and no control and I don't get depressed if one goes into the trees. £1.25 per ball!!
Hi Andy, on the basis of your test, i purchased a dozen of the balls direct from Seed, plus a extended brolly and tee pegs to complete my order. I used the balls first out at the Gateway To Wales competition over the past weekend. I can report back they performed brilliantly, they are long off the tee, they are receptive around the greens and they putt extremely well. I am a convert, I normally would play top end pebbles from Callaway, Titielist and Taylormade but as far as I am concerned these on on par (excuse the pun) with those. The only problem is I lost 2 which I guess would happen with the other manufacturers as well and therefore they are not perfect, but saying that the "never lose ball" has not been invented yet. So fellow golfers save some money but not at the cost of performance and buy SEED they are outstanding value and quality.
First of all I am glad you found the ball performed well, but I am also glad you reported your findings, some of these comments amaze me when they question my review, I always give an honest assessment of any product we test and would never try to mislead a viewer, so I am pleased you cement my findings Rory, I hope you don’t lose too many 😂👍
@@TheAverageGolfer Hi Andy many thanks for your reply, please also note that at the end of my order I was asked where I had heard of Seed from and I explained that I had seen yours and Lewis's extensive review on your UA-cam platform. I always consider it good manners to actually give credit where it is due and you certainly deserve it after all the hard hours you put into your work. Cheers Mark
I recently bought a golf bag, for which the Titleist equivalent bag was almost double the price I paid. So it makes sense to me that there should be equivalent golf balls to the ProV1 for around half the price per ball. I tend towards Wilson products but there are plenty of alternatives out there.
One of the biggest differences I've seen in cheaper balls vs prov1's is the material quality of the cover. Prov1's can take many more shots before they start to show wear on the cover.
Great video and very interesting. I can't believe how similar the Seed balls were to the Pro V1. The Pro V1 is a great ball, the consistency of each one is very good, but as you say that comes at a price. As average amateur golfers I'm not sure that we are good enough to notice small differences anyway. After watching this I'm defo gonna give the Seed balls a try.
Totally concur with this. I've been using the Kirkland balls & they're performing every bit as good as any other ball I've used. There's no point in teeing up a pro v 1 & chunking the grass two inches before the ball. Having said that, I still enjoy finding the pro v's in the woods when I'm looking for my ball. (Or whilst I'm oot "Dogging").
@@TheAverageGolfer I won't Andy. Winter is approaching & it's just too cold & I'm too auld. So, I end up having to keep aw my clothes on... I just look ridiculous mate.
I agree with that,all titleist balls do not fit my game as I recently went for a ball fitting and they spun too much and was terrible with dispersion and distance and the 2 balls it came down to were the TaylorMade TP5X & callaway chrome soft x LS,more testing is needed to see what is best for me Great work as always
@@mikepga1 a golfer who went through a ball fitting with trackman and found that none were suitable for me and that the 2 I mentioned fitted my game best
Played the Vice pro for a few years until they increased thier price and switched to the Seed 01. I love them and a while back they were selling slight miss prints @ £15 a dozen so really stocked up. The Pro V out performs everything in every test I have seen but unless you are sub scratch I seriously doubt anyone would notice the difference.
Feel off the putter face is really important to me especially for distance control. I would have liked to hear a view on that. I tried lots of different balls, prov1 and Kirkland give me the feel I’m looking for.
Iv’e never seen a Seed ball here in the US. At one time I was a HUGE Pro V1 snob. I recently started playing the Maxfli Tour ball and couldn’t be happier. Just shows there are many options for quality golf balls under $40 (US) per dozen.
The difference is in consistency. Titleist has Quality Control that smaller companies just can't match. You know when you buy ProV1 it's gonna perform like a ProV1. That being said a lot of people would be better off playing Snells or Seed's or other DTC brands.
Absolutely spot on. There's another website that has an extensive BALL LAB that checks for all sort of production consistency -- e.g., weight, core construction and "centerness", cover consistency, and so on. Titleist outperforms all other ball companies. With respect to Seed golf balls, I have NOT seen any detailed examination of how consistently the ball is produced.
@@donrichardson915 There's no disputing Titleist's track record with QC. However, that same site has the Maxfli Tour performing neck-and-neck with the ProV1 in consistency...for $20 less per box.
I tried the pro v1 ball, I play vice pro, for a comparison. The pro v felt the same of driver and irons but the biggest difference was the feel off the putter face. The pro v1 felt really hard like a marble. I use a milled faced putter. I had difficulty controlling distance with it.
Yup, I'm a Kirkland guy too like a few others here. I like the feel and consistency. I have tried a few pro v1s that I've found in the woods and don't feel a difference.
I noticed that between wedge shot the club face wasn’t being cleaned or dried and spin numbers were getting progressively worse, will his have impacted the data. Not saying that it would flip the numbers but may bring them closer
Have now watched it all. Impressive results. Any decent fitter or tester would be cleaning the club after each shot. Prob a reason the “on course” spin rates went down. The title is a bit out there.
I loved the test, Im not a Prov1 guy, I think they suck in the wind. Tp5 is a much better wind ball. Bit to be fair, the reason spin kept dropping off was because you should've cleaned the grooves after everyshot. I play a Vice Pro Plus and it suoer long and is very consistent around the greens and in mid irons.
I switched to TP5 3 years ago and never looked back to Titleist. Now TP5 is going up in price, this season going to tour response, and they're working identically to the TP5.
Any golf ball you play well with is worth sticking to . Most of this is in our minds . I play TM tour response had a few good rounds with them so use them continuously now. Key is playing the same ball then you know it’s you not the ball making the difference.
I’ve been playing the ProV1 for years…..not any more. I’ve moved over to SEED about 2 months ago and I’m never going back. Same performance, feel but way less money. Good enough for me!
I'm an 18 handicapper and I use premium Calloway and Taylormade, urethane covered lake balls. They work out at just under £1 each for 40 balls. These are the top quality ones with no scuff marks but maybe the odd alignment mark or id mark. Otherwise they look and feel like new. I can't fault them. It would be interesting if you could do a comparison between a (good quality) lake ball and it's brand new equivalent.
I’ve used the prov1x for years and have recently tried the seed Sd-02 and found it a little bit clicky for me more so than the prov1X, it was a decent ball for the price but just not my personal preference!! after that I have tried the normal prov1 and prefer the feel of that !!
Been playing this ball from its launch. Have to say I’m pleased with it. I’m not good enough to be able to spend too much on Golf balls, but I can not tell the difference. Goes well off driver, decent enough feel for me. Im sure top level or vs scratch players may feel different, but I’m happy enough to keep using them and only them and I think playing a ball consistently is a huge help. Need it in the yellow they used to do in the old SD-01 though. It was a Great ball for winter golf
Well, my golf ball journey has been interesting. For a long time I resisted the urge to play pro v 1 as I simply couldn't afford them. My regular ball was the Srixon Qstar. As my game improved I started to see the benefits of the pro v. At this time I also had fun looking for golf balls in all sorts of areas. I managed to find enough pro V's to play with them on a regular basis. This has built up to at least 3 dozen of them. So when people ask 'what do you play?' I say, Pro V 1 OP's (Other People's). My suggestion is to have fun hunting for these white gems, find what suits your game. If I didn't have enough I would not hesitate in returning to the Srixon's.
I play the Seed SD-01 when I'm in the UK, fantastic ball. A few months ago I bought them in bulk when they were selling (minor) mis-prints at £80 for 5 boxes. Every time you buy a Pro V you are buying one for yourself and one ball Titleist gives away. It would be interesting to know just how many Pro Vs Titleist give away in a year and we the average golfer are paying for all the balls they give away.
I buy 3 dozen Seed balls every winter (the yellow ones are particularly visible in autumn and winter). Durable, great feel off both irons and putter. What more could you need?
Good and interesting video. I’d gladly try a Seed but have never seen them for sale. As a high handicapper who’s getting better but still loses far too many balls, I could never justify paying £4 a ball. In fact £1 per ball is my benchmark which usually means a Kirkland or occasionally a Supersoft if they’re on sale. The only ProV balls I have are the ones I find and must admit I find them no better than my Kirkland’s when I hit them…even when they’re in pristine condition. Keep up the good work Andy!
For the last 2 years I played Oncore ELIXR as they were longer than Pro V1 and the spin was acceptable and the Elixr felt better off my putter. Unfortunately, the company decided to change the ball and make it “new and Improved”. So I went on a search for a new ball. (I played Pro V1 and Pro V1x for several years before changing to Oncore.) I am now playing the Costco Kirkland Signature V2. These balls are dirt cheap compared to Pro V1 and they actually spin better and feel really good off my putter, but you will lose about 5 yards off the tee. As a slow swing speed senior golfer, the 5 yards is not worth the difference in the price.
I play the pro v1x due to the consistency of distance and durability. I have been alternating 2 golf balls for 4 rounds now with nary a scuff. I have hit plenty of sand and dirt and they are still perfect. I tried Tp5's bridgestone e12, chromesoft and they are not consistent for my game as the pro vx.
Im pretty pleased with Callway Supersoft. Much improved than what they used to be and not expensive. I enjoyed Chrome Soft too. I would never pay for pro v 1. No way. And I seldom lose a ball.
I also started using the Supersoft and really like the feel - especially when pitching and chipping. Was a TruFeel guy for a long time but recently made the conversion playing the orange mat Supersoft. Like you I don't lose a lot of balls, but when I do it's not breaking the bank for sure.
I've recently switched to the Supersoft myself and I prefer them to the Pro V ball, they feel great off the club and perform well chipping and putting.
I love the Supersoft... except off the putter. It comes off way too hot for me. To me, the Vice Drive feels and performs pretty much the same off all clubs, but feels great off the putter also. And at less than $1 a ball when they run the buy 5 dozen, get 1 free, they are an absolute steal. I know they advertise them as a "beginner" ball, but this "beginner" shot his lowest round of 40 years in golf just a few weeks ago (4 under), so I'll stay a beginner forever if that's how they are going to perform.
I think it’s easy to look at spin and distance numbers and assume that all balls perform the same. But how balls hold up in windy conditions, are how much the ball moves in the air makes a significant difference. I’m a natural fader of the the ball and I usually lose significant distance with any other ball. But with the high launch high spin of the pro-v1x i hit my fade just as long as I would a draw. I’ve tinkered with dozens of balls this past year and tried to stay away from pro-v1’s. But the on course performance of the pro-v1x was to apparent to ignore.
I really like the new TM Tour response, just like a lot of players. this year, ..in a perfect world I drive a Tit, -Velocity , and approach and chip in with the TM tour Response .. 28£ a dozen.. eh. I have used loads of PROV1 ,s as well, but only the refurbished deals -etc ..pearl lake balls.. cheap! ...same in the old days with the Pro 90,s Golf is complicated ! Have a nice day !
I’ve tried them all over the years and continue to test the new stuff that comes out. For my game, nothing is more consistent, durable and reliable than the Pro-V. Close second would be the TP5. Vice balls were slightly longer with the drives but were not very consistent for me on approach shots
Once again unbiased fact based analysis. The on course performance and numbers in GC 3 have myth/ego (my ego) busting to say the least. Thanks for the humble pie lol 😂. Humbled because my driver swing speed is over 110mph. Time to re-evaluate my ball choice current ball in play is Taylor Made Tp5x.
The Vice Pro is so close to the overpriced Pro v uno, Acushnet got their panties in a bunch and filled a lawsuit against Vice Golf. Like another comment, the Vice Pro Plus is a great ball for the money. I like it better than the Snell and Oncore. Great review of the Seed.
Hi Andy. Please could you tell us what the ‘feel’ of the Seed is off the putter? Is it soft, firm or clicky? I find that the feel off a putter can be really off putting if it doesn’t suit what you expect. Thanks.
Of the 60 million or so golfers in the world, the average hc is 16. As a 7hc, I doubt that the ball makes any difference to my score. I just need to know that my pro v1 will spin more than the top flites and adjust accordingly. Feel, on the other hand is another factor. I went from forged blades to forgiving cast cavity backs recently and a well struck shot with anything will still bring a smile to my face. Where I am, pro V1’s cost ¥600 per ball and just ¥100 for Honma D1’s. (About six bucks vs a dollar.). Silly me, I still buy the Titleists.
For the amateur golfer u don’t need to look to much further than the callaway super soft great ball sensible price I prefer the matt colour but all round great ball in my opinion.
They are either callaway spokes people or one of the other brands Prov will go much futher than others i know i play prov and bridgstone these are the best by far
I'm an average golfer at best. I usually play a Kirkland or a Titleist X out TruFeel. I recently bought some refurbished ProV1s at the local Golf HQ, and I have to say I do notice a difference I didn't expect. They feel better with short irons and off the putter, and I can't deny the distance I gained. They say the only difference is that a true brand new ProV1 is more durable, but I'm going to lose it (sometimes right out in the open) before I wear it out. I wouldn't actually go to the store and buy a box of brand new ProV1s, because that would hurt too much to lose them, but I would definitely play them if I was a low single digit handicap.
Don''t know who the "they" is who say that's the only difference. There is an abundance of research out there showing that refurbished balls do not perform anywhere near new ones. In fact, depending where you buy, they may not even be the same ball they claim to be. Once they are repainted, they can stamp anything they want on there. Give me a cheaper ball that's new over a refurbished anything anyday.
@@edg103 "They" are the folks at the golf shops, the more experienced golfers I know, and even a couple golf pros (club pros). Sure, someone could refinish a Nitro and paint Titleist on it, but I doubt that happens very often. I have no doubt that a brand new premium ball outperforms a refurbished one. But in my non-professional experience and opinion, a ball with a good core and a refurbished cover is better than a new cover on a crappy core.
Golf is an extremely mental game. I have tried many different brands of golf balls throughout the years, but titleist pro vs give me confidence standing over the ball for some reason. I did just order a brand called Piper golf balls that are cheaper than pro vs and hopefully they can give the same confidence. I’m tired of paying so much every 6 months or so on a new dozen to use.
Ever since I tried the taylormade tour response ball at your golf day Andy I haven’t hit anything else. I think it says a lot about this ball that virtually every pro shop or golf store are sold out yet again
Did you clean the grooves between shots . That could be the reason for the large gaps in spin . I would think there would be plenty of dirt in the grooves from 1st seed to last pro v
The jump forward in ball quality that started with the Pro V1 in 2000 was a literal game-changer. Before that we used to be fine playing golf with RUBBER BANDS inside the balls! Let that blow your mind.
Actually, the Nike Tour Accuracy was first--leading to Tiger's 15 stroke win at US Open at Pebble Beach. Production limitations then allowed the ProV1 to overtake it, but Nike was first.
I’m the same. Im a 6 hc, reasonable long for an amateur, swing speed 95 to 100 mph. Prov1 are not on their own anymore. To be honest a Taylormade or Srixon distance ball is just as good. The hold on the green is great as long as your attack angle is steep. I can stop (not screw back) a distance ball just as quick on the second bounce from 50m or out of the sand. $25/30AUD a dozen at my pro shop (£12.50 to £15). I prefer a high compression ball personally.
Regardless of the two ball's performances, in the 125-yard test, the spin rates going down with each shot wasn't to do with the fact the grooves in the wedge were probably full of dirt and nothing to do with the balls would it ?!!
@@TheAverageGolfer they did but you were both surprised by the low spin rates (which lessened with each shot) you used the example of rates lower than a 7 iron from what I remember?
@@garrychanning9133 yes I think it demonstrates how data collected indoors on mats can be questionable, the slightest contact of grass between ball and club change data considerably. Ultimately we have to take from it want we want I suppose
@@TheAverageGolfer I think a lot of club golfers use premium balls for their softer feeling when putting, in our heart of hearts we know we’re not good enough to use them and cheaper balls work just as well for us hackers but hey what’s better than hitting a pristine ProV1 you’ve just found 😃
Lewis can play! I have tried Seed and agree with you, very little difference evident. It’s the postage that put me off, I just see that as dead money and the ProV1x costs £40 . . . nearly new ones £25.
I get your point. Lots of good choices out there. But at $35, these are not as cheap as you suggest. Consider that I can buy Snell (at least the old MTB) for less. Buy Srixon, Cally, TaylorMade, in quantity during their spring sales and the prices are equal to or less. Heck, I just paid $42 per doz for ProV1 s during their 4 for 3 promo. And, with ProV, I never have to worry about quality control or customer service. But if you don’t appreciate the difference, and /orwould rather spend that $7 at Starbucks, I understand.
You have to also consider quality control. Titleist balls top the quality charts in the mygolfspy testing year over year (compression consistency, size consistency, roundness consistency, cover quality, etc). So you know what you Are getting. Not to mention Prov1’s are some of if not The most durable balls. If you toss a scuffed ball into the shag bag like I do then durability is a factor too. Some of the cheaper balls scuff without even hitting anything from my experience.
Great segment , on course is so awesome to watch! ,was it me or was the Seed longer with better dispersion? Are they available in the US? I know I am not supposed to say it but, I agree with many that the Kirkland ball plays as good as any top tier ball My favorite ball is the Tailor-made Tour Response, would love to see a comparison with that one Seems like I should feel bad about it, but I like the feel more on full iron shots and it has great feel putting. Thank you
Have About 600 of them ,Find them when playing solo at rural Courses First out no one behind me , Will go out about 180 yards turn right into the Woods They’re everywhere ,Don’t get Poison Ivy or oak , never hold any Other Players up! Have 2 Dozen new in Boxes 5 Years old , Present from Son . I’m 65 Old Ball Player ,and I can stillHit Hell out of them, But Love them around the Greens . Have Every Brand there is and I take care of all my Golf Buddies have not bought an Golf Ball in about 7 Years since I retired from an Utility Company , But yea Your all right , Most people have no Benefit from them , Most of My Buddies play Supersoft or Tour Soft !
Never played a ProV or any ball that cost more than $30 a dozen. It's not that I can't afford them, but my game is just not at the level where I could even tell if it made a difference. So I stay in the mid-tier price point area from $20 to maybe $35 on the top end. There are ton of good balls in that price range and right now I am playing the Callaway Supersoft in matt orange. I like the soft feel I get around the greens which is the best part of my game. I have tried Seed and they are a decent ball, but I prefer a much softer feel. Plus I like the orange color. This comparison comes at no surprise really, but I suspect it will not change the mind of anyone using a Pro V1 ball.
Just seen this and got to say the Kirkland is a quality choice but the Maxfli tour has similar results to the pro v1 also n can be bought at a really good price 👍🏻 quality vid andy
I haven't bought a PROV1 for years (I only play them if I find one) and must admit that I have never played or seen a SEED Ball. Personally, I have been using the Inesis Tour Ball from Decathlon for years. It's an excellent Ball and I pass their local store on my way to my Course. The differential in the price of the Balls pays for my Rounds, a Bacon Barm & a coffee, NO BRAINER👍👍
Agree that there are other cheaper options however if it werent for Titleist pushing the limits with research and development, none of these cheaper brands would have a starting point when going to make theirs! How many companies reverse engineer the ProV1 to make their ball.?
Basically all of them! Notice how all of these DTC "Pro V1 killers" emerged in the past 5 years or so? It's no coincidence that is when the patents for the original Pro V1 began to run out. Now anyone with ambition and some manufacturing know-how can deliver a pro-quality 3-piece ball with a urethane cover by standing on the shoulders of giants. (And we/they don't have to feel bad about it. Titleist have made a kajillion dollars off it at this point!)
Top-Flite and Bridgestone/Nike, among others, had 3-piece, solid-core, urethane balls before the ProV1, or released right around the same time. If anything, Titleist probably reverse engineered the Strata in developing the ProV1. Titleist had the name and the money, so they get the credit. But to be fair to Titleist, they brought the quality control of golf balls up to a level that had never been seen before, and they're kept it there.
@@danielcohen3159 Interesting. They got way out-marketed, then! Also let’s be serious, Top-Flite’s brand was toast by that point in time so they didn’t stand a chance. Nike put up a fight shortly after the Pro V1 came out. Nike balls were pretty darn good around that time.
Titleist seems to still be the best for QC and I think that (+ marketing) is what you’re paying for with Pro V1s. I saw a big robot test of golf balls on UA-cam and Pro V1 had the tightest dispersion - like 40-50% smaller than the next best. That is down to manufacturing precision and quality control.
@@StephenParsey Yes, Titleist is better at QC, as I pointed out. I just don't think they're $20/box better. And I doubt the average golfer's game is improved one single stroke by using a ProV1, or any tour ball, over a Wilson Duo, Callaway Supersoft, or the TruFeel, which is a fantastic ball. But the ProV1 will definitely spin a lot more as he's knifing his 64º wedge (from the fringe) over the green and into Mrs. Rosenthal's azaleas.
Great stuff Andy!! I wish MyGolfSpy would do more on course data vs dry as that to me is the real test. With the launch monitor and visual on the green that certainly shows evidence that these more affordable balls are not that much different. And it makes my wife happy to save money.
I play ProV1s when I have large fairways and low chances of losing the ball. I play Kirkland on narrow fairways or when there is water / trees all around.
Would only ever buy pro V1 when they are on offer 4 for 3 do work out around £32 per dozen. Seed and Vice not really much cheaper taking postage into account. Plus with Seed you have to subscribe so unless you play plenty of golf could work out a lot dearer. I'm always looking to find a ball to play. Perhaps you could test some lower compression ball for us senior golfer?
Srixxon QStar Tour. If you're not swinging 110mph with yiyr driver, you should give this ball a go. Plays great in the wind, long straight, feels better than a prov1 everywhere, stops on a DINE. Might be your new gamer
I have Maxfli Softfli matte blue golf balls in my bag. It has ultra compression and just feels great off the club face. The ball is easier to find than popular belief.
Maxfli Tour and Maxfli Tour X... by far the best ball for the money for a swing speed under 105. I used to play Titleist, TM, and Callaway. Got a box of the Tour and Tour X.... personally, the Tour performed better of the two for me. Absolutely no noticable difference in performance compared to the big name brands. I haven't looked back since. Also, I like the alignment aid on the Maxfli. I don't need to draw a line on my ball anymore. Try them, you won't be disappointed.
I’ve been playing Vice Pro Neon due to my vision and cost which has risen recently. They are probably a mid to premium ball.I’ve never played Pro V1’s as I simply couldn’t justify the cost at my skill level - currently 11 h’cap. Currently trying a number of low cost balls - mostly 2 piece as the weather changes and I don’t seem to need ‘spin/holding power’ as greens soften up. Recently tried Titleist Velocity, Bridgestone e12, and Wilson Duo which are budget end of the market. There’s little difference between all 3 and a small difference in feel off the Driver only versus the Vice. The main ball I find is a Pro V1 - or V1x - or Srixon Soft Feel and judging by how many I find golfers loose a lot of ammo. Therefore a more competitively priced ball must make sense if you can’t tell the difference. For people like me a lot of manufacturers now make a range of balls that help visually plus also are of a colour allowing you to find them ! : ) Have bought some Seed SD -15 AF green to try out.
i brought them after the TXG review great ball at half the price but i think they are due to go up in cost but not sure by how much there's also a great deal on them for first time buyers
I'd say please review the Vice Pro Plus as well. I use the Pro Soft from them (like a chromesoft really). Love the feel around the green and I haven't enough club speed to take advantage of a prov1 type ball.
The problem I've always had with budget balls ie. Vice, Seed, Oncore, Cut, RZN. I've tried them all! They don't have the durability of a ProV1, and I tend to lose distance in my irons, sometime even a full club! First if I play a ProV1, I can get 4-5 rounds with one ball. I live in Las Vegas, and we don't lose very many balls here. But hitting into the rocks can be hazardous to these budget balls! The last time I played with Vice Pro Plus balls I went through 3 balls in the round from damage! I RARELY have to replace a ProV1 due to damage! I can hit cart paths and into the desert no problem, and not a scratch! So, if I can get a budget ball for say 2-3/ ball and have to switch out 3 in a round vs playing 1 ProV1 for 4 rounds, am I really losing money? A dozen balls can last me a couple of months! I'm a single digit player, but as we all do, I don't always hit it where I intended! Nothing spins like a ProV, it hits longer than everyone else's (not my claim) for my swing speed MyGolfSpy says it's the best for me in their testing too! Remember this test is being conducted by someone who is paid by Seed, so there is clear bias! Plus, what is their swing speed vs yours? Is it an apples-to-apples comparison? I think not, unless you too are a PGA Pro with the same swing speed!
I managed to bag some srixon z stars at a great price so use them for special occasions and wide fairways. I like kirklands, I use AD333 a lot and happy to play pro v, chrome soft, tp5 which I win or find.
The point is there are many great golf balls out there and at most levels not a big enough difference in performance to justify some of the price points
I really appreciate your videos! Keeping it real for us Average fellas out here. Long time fan and NOW (finally) a subscriber :)
I've played the ProV1 for at least 20 years or so. This year, I have been on the hunt for the best ball for my 90-95mph driver swing. The criteria was long off the tee, great feel with mid and short irons, and most importantly, great feel and control with the putter. Some of the $25-$30 ball sound clicky and fly off the putter face. However, I think i have found a couple that feel great off the putter and meet the other criteria too. First up Vice pro (when on sale $152 for 6 dozen $2.11 per ball). The Vice pro feels just like a proV1 does on every club. Like it. Next, the Maxfli Tour ball ($104 4 dozen $2.17 per ball). Really like this one as it seems to be long with driver, irons and feels great on green too. Both of these have X versions (vice pro plus and Maxfli tour X) if your swing speed is 100+mph. Haven't tried the Seed ball yet, but with the Maxfli Tour or the Vice Pro, I don't think I need to.
I agree. I’m more of a Srixon Xv but it’s hard to beat the Maxfli Tour X ball. 48 for $105 is the best value. TXG did a comparison with ProV1 and it’s almost identical in stats.
I play the Srixon ZXV also but the MaxFli Tour is damn near identical. 👍🏻👍🏻
I tried hitting both a titleist pro v1 and a titleist true feel ball. Both were the same distance I’d expect off various clubs. The true feel is very soft (not a fan of more clicky balls) and I get spin on approach shots like I never did when I was younger and hit harder. Bonus: true feel is just over $2/ball. $25/dozen.
Glad to see a reviewer gutsy enough to say what I've known for years. The only advantage amateurs get from a ProV1 is the nonsensical pride they feel when they get to say on the first tee "I'm playing a ProV1." People will waste money on anything they buy if it puffs up their lagging egos. Conspicuous consumption is a very sad fact of life.
We always tell it how it is and even then some viewers will find issue! Glad we agree Ed
@@TheAverageGolfer
I have to agree with you.
Titliest ProV1 are great balls and the benchmark but several other balls are now just as good and some may even be better for your game.
So what do you use ? Lol
@@OfficalMrBlue 60 years old with painful joints, but still a 5 handicap. I use soft balls...vice drive is my favorite. Longer off the driver, and with my distance, not looking to stop it on a dime. 5 rounds of par or better in the past two months, so those who think you need "premium' balls to score are full of it
@@Trump2024Kentucky They are great golf balls and perform exceptionally well but they come at a very high price and a of brands offer better value
YES!!!
that's all ya really need to say on this video. This is just perfect. This is possibly the most honest video ever seen and produced on youtube. Keep up the great work
I've been playing the Vice Pro Plus for nearly 4 years now because of their quality to price ratio. The Seed balls are slightly more expensive which has been the only reason I have yet to give them a try, but they are next on my list to try.
The Vice Pro Plus is another ball that performs exceptionally well at a far more attractive price point
With a name like that, you have to be one good looking guy!
If you are dogging you need a long distance ball and a softer ball for the approaches to Brendas garden..and greens
I met you at Dalmahoy in Edinburgh last summer,You gave me some Seed ballls.Thought they were very good although definitely sounded a little different.I’ve been a Pro v guy for years however being a very Average golfer I think most golf balls would suit me.I’ve got mates that only use one brand off ball just because it’s habit.
Great video.
Based on my wedge fitting I just had, I confirmed what I knew. The TP5 was the ball for me! I love it!
Have started using Kirkland Balls from Costco - excellent value and for the average golfer you cant go wrong. Have lost no distance and no control and I don't get depressed if one goes into the trees. £1.25 per ball!!
Hi Andy, on the basis of your test, i purchased a dozen of the balls direct from Seed, plus a extended brolly and tee pegs to complete my order. I used the balls first out at the Gateway To Wales competition over the past weekend. I can report back they performed brilliantly, they are long off the tee, they are receptive around the greens and they putt extremely well. I am a convert, I normally would play top end pebbles from Callaway, Titielist and Taylormade but as far as I am concerned these on on par (excuse the pun) with those. The only problem is I lost 2 which I guess would happen with the other manufacturers as well and therefore they are not perfect, but saying that the "never lose ball" has not been invented yet. So fellow golfers save some money but not at the cost of performance and buy SEED they are outstanding value and quality.
First of all I am glad you found the ball performed well, but I am also glad you reported your findings, some of these comments amaze me when they question my review, I always give an honest assessment of any product we test and would never try to mislead a viewer, so I am pleased you cement my findings Rory, I hope you don’t lose too many 😂👍
@@TheAverageGolfer Hi Andy many thanks for your reply, please also note that at the end of my order I was asked where I had heard of Seed from and I explained that I had seen yours and Lewis's extensive review on your UA-cam platform. I always consider it good manners to actually give credit where it is due and you certainly deserve it after all the hard hours you put into your work. Cheers Mark
@@rorywoods6344 much appreciated on all levels Mark 👍
I recently bought a golf bag, for which the Titleist equivalent bag was almost double the price I paid. So it makes sense to me that there should be equivalent golf balls to the ProV1 for around half the price per ball. I tend towards Wilson products but there are plenty of alternatives out there.
One of the biggest differences I've seen in cheaper balls vs prov1's is the material quality of the cover. Prov1's can take many more shots before they start to show wear on the cover.
Srixxon are indestructible
I have a friend that plays Seed balls, been trying ro get me away from Pro-V 1. Very good comparison, I do like that you tell it like it is.
I quit golf for 11 years and when I started playing again I tried every golf ball on the market. I love the feel of the pro V.
Good comparison, I picked up some Kirkland’s a few months ago, think they are great for approx a pound a ball
I use them but they scuff very quickly but at £1 a ball it's not a massive deal
@@follyfour506 mine are ok if you stay out of the bunkers but yes they do scuff up in the sand
Great video and very interesting. I can't believe how similar the Seed balls were to the Pro V1. The Pro V1 is a great ball, the consistency of each one is very good, but as you say that comes at a price.
As average amateur golfers I'm not sure that we are good enough to notice small differences anyway. After watching this I'm defo gonna give the Seed balls a try.
Totally concur with this. I've been using the Kirkland balls & they're performing every bit as good as any other ball I've used. There's no point in teeing up a pro v 1 & chunking the grass two inches before the ball. Having said that, I still enjoy finding the pro v's in the woods when I'm looking for my ball. (Or whilst I'm oot "Dogging").
😂😂
The Kirkland is another high performing low cost ball John. ( Please dont go oot to often)
@@TheAverageGolfer I won't Andy. Winter is approaching & it's just too cold & I'm too auld. So, I end up having to keep aw my clothes on... I just look ridiculous mate.
me too
Couldn’t agree more with your findings. I’ve been using Seed balls for a while now. Completely moved away from Pro V1s altogether now.
Thanks for your feedback
I agree with that,all titleist balls do not fit my game as I recently went for a ball fitting and they spun too much and was terrible with dispersion and distance and the 2 balls it came down to were the TaylorMade TP5X & callaway chrome soft x LS,more testing is needed to see what is best for me
Great work as always
“All Titleist balls do not fit my game” and they were “terrible with dispersion”
What kind of golfer are you? 🤣
@@mikepga1 a golfer who went through a ball fitting with trackman and found that none were suitable for me and that the 2 I mentioned fitted my game best
I was using a Vice ball for 12 years, I have changed to a Wilson Duo Soft.
Great ball, distance and feel.
Played the Vice pro for a few years until they increased thier price and switched to the Seed 01. I love them and a while back they were selling slight miss prints @ £15 a dozen so really stocked up. The Pro V out performs everything in every test I have seen but unless you are sub scratch I seriously doubt anyone would notice the difference.
Feel off the putter face is really important to me especially for distance control. I would have liked to hear a view on that. I tried lots of different balls, prov1 and Kirkland give me the feel I’m looking for.
Iv’e never seen a Seed ball here in the US. At one time I was a HUGE Pro V1 snob. I recently started playing the Maxfli Tour ball and couldn’t be happier. Just shows there are many options for quality golf balls under $40 (US) per dozen.
I agree. I really like the Maxfli Tour matte white. Don't know if the matte finish makes a difference but I just like it. Harder to clean though.
That’s bold Andy. Congrats for your honesty!!
It’s likely the reason why the Kirkland is so popular!
The difference is in consistency. Titleist has Quality Control that smaller companies just can't match. You know when you buy ProV1 it's gonna perform like a ProV1. That being said a lot of people would be better off playing Snells or Seed's or other DTC brands.
So do you think the Seed ball would be inconsistent quality?
Absolutely spot on. There's another website that has an extensive BALL LAB that checks for all sort of production consistency -- e.g., weight, core construction and "centerness", cover consistency, and so on. Titleist outperforms all other ball companies. With respect to Seed golf balls, I have NOT seen any detailed examination of how consistently the ball is produced.
@@donrichardson915 There's no disputing Titleist's track record with QC. However, that same site has the Maxfli Tour performing neck-and-neck with the ProV1 in consistency...for $20 less per box.
I tried the pro v1 ball, I play vice pro, for a comparison. The pro v felt the same of driver and irons but the biggest difference was the feel off the putter face. The pro v1 felt really hard like a marble. I use a milled faced putter. I had difficulty controlling distance with it.
Yup, I'm a Kirkland guy too like a few others here. I like the feel and consistency. I have tried a few pro v1s that I've found in the woods and don't feel a difference.
A great value and great performance golf ball
@@TheAverageGolfer Cheap ass, playing balls that you found in the woods, great way to compare to a new Prov1. Child please.
I noticed that between wedge shot the club face wasn’t being cleaned or dried and spin numbers were getting progressively worse, will his have impacted the data. Not saying that it would flip the numbers but may bring them closer
Have now watched it all. Impressive results. Any decent fitter or tester would be cleaning the club after each shot. Prob a reason the “on course” spin rates went down. The title is a bit out there.
I loved the test, Im not a Prov1 guy, I think they suck in the wind. Tp5 is a much better wind ball. Bit to be fair, the reason spin kept dropping off was because you should've cleaned the grooves after everyshot. I play a Vice Pro Plus and it suoer long and is very consistent around the greens and in mid irons.
I switched to TP5 3 years ago and never looked back to Titleist. Now TP5 is going up in price, this season going to tour response, and they're working identically to the TP5.
I always use srixon Ultisoft and love them, then in winter I swap for Srixon AD333 and they make up the distance yet still feel nice off my putter
Yep great choices
I really like the comparison videos. The majority of us probably play expensive balls when we really don't need to? Fab..
In the states you can get maxfli tour balls for 4dz/$105. Best price to performance ball I've ever played.
Any golf ball you play well with is worth sticking to . Most of this is in our minds . I play TM tour response had a few good rounds with them so use them continuously now. Key is playing the same ball then you know it’s you not the ball making the difference.
I do agree Adrian
I've played Seed for a couple of years (SD-02) and couldn't be happier. Fantastic ball for the money.
Good to get feedback from someone using the ball, thanks Robin
I’ve been playing the ProV1 for years…..not any more. I’ve moved over to SEED about 2 months ago and I’m never going back. Same performance, feel but way less money. Good enough for me!
Thanks for the video! I do play some less expensive golf balls, but I do enjoy playing some Prov1s from time to time.
Thanks John
Found a Seed SD-02, felt amazing, purchased a box, they feel great!
I'm an 18 handicapper and I use premium Calloway and Taylormade, urethane covered lake balls. They work out at just under £1 each for 40 balls. These are the top quality ones with no scuff marks but maybe the odd alignment mark or id mark. Otherwise they look and feel like new. I can't fault them. It would be interesting if you could do a comparison between a (good quality) lake ball and it's brand new equivalent.
I’ve used the prov1x for years and have recently tried the seed Sd-02 and found it a little bit clicky for me more so than the prov1X, it was a decent ball for the price but just not my personal preference!! after that I have tried the normal prov1 and prefer the feel of that !!
Yes I agree, the SDX1 is more comparable to the ProV
@@TheAverageGolfer maybe I’ll order a dozen of them to try 👍
@@bensandry5098 It is noticeably different
Been playing this ball from its launch. Have to say I’m pleased with it. I’m not good enough to be able to spend too much on Golf balls, but I can not tell the difference. Goes well off driver, decent enough feel for me. Im sure top level or vs scratch players may feel different, but I’m happy enough to keep using them and only them and I think playing a ball consistently is a huge help. Need it in the yellow they used to do in the old SD-01 though. It was a Great ball for winter golf
I think Lew passes as top level 😂
Bridgestone XS tour ball is phenomenal and greatly underrated.
Not taking anything away from the Pro-V1, but it does have equivalent rivals.
Well, my golf ball journey has been interesting. For a long time I resisted the urge to play pro v 1 as I simply couldn't afford them. My regular ball was the Srixon Qstar. As my game improved I started to see the benefits of the pro v. At this time I also had fun looking for golf balls in all sorts of areas. I managed to find enough pro V's to play with them on a regular basis. This has built up to at least 3 dozen of them. So when people ask 'what do you play?' I say, Pro V 1 OP's (Other People's).
My suggestion is to have fun hunting for these white gems, find what suits your game. If I didn't have enough I would not hesitate in returning to the Srixon's.
I play the Seed SD-01 when I'm in the UK, fantastic ball. A few months ago I bought them in bulk when they were selling (minor) mis-prints at £80 for 5 boxes. Every time you buy a Pro V you are buying one for yourself and one ball Titleist gives away. It would be interesting to know just how many Pro Vs Titleist give away in a year and we the average golfer are paying for all the balls they give away.
That's some impressive ball striking from Lewis on that 5 iron! 👍
Not bad 😂
I buy 3 dozen Seed balls every winter (the yellow ones are particularly visible in autumn and winter). Durable, great feel off both irons and putter. What more could you need?
Good and interesting video. I’d gladly try a Seed but have never seen them for sale. As a high handicapper who’s getting better but still loses far too many balls, I could never justify paying £4 a ball. In fact £1 per ball is my benchmark which usually means a Kirkland or occasionally a Supersoft if they’re on sale. The only ProV balls I have are the ones I find and must admit I find them no better than my Kirkland’s when I hit them…even when they’re in pristine condition.
Keep up the good work Andy!
The Kirkland ball is very good Al
For the last 2 years I played Oncore ELIXR as they were longer than Pro V1 and the spin was acceptable and the Elixr felt better off my putter. Unfortunately, the company decided to change the ball and make it “new and Improved”. So I went on a search for a new ball. (I played Pro V1 and Pro V1x for several years before changing to Oncore.) I am now playing the Costco Kirkland Signature V2. These balls are dirt cheap compared to Pro V1 and they actually spin better and feel really good off my putter, but you will lose about 5 yards off the tee. As a slow swing speed senior golfer, the 5 yards is not worth the difference in the price.
I play the pro v1x due to the consistency of distance and durability. I have been alternating 2 golf balls for 4 rounds now with nary a scuff. I have hit plenty of sand and dirt and they are still perfect. I tried Tp5's bridgestone e12, chromesoft and they are not consistent for my game as the pro vx.
Yup ProV1x is king. If you don't lose them, they last longer than you would expect. And long off the tee too.
Im pretty pleased with Callway Supersoft. Much improved than what they used to be and not expensive. I enjoyed Chrome Soft too. I would never pay for pro v 1. No way. And I seldom lose a ball.
I also started using the Supersoft and really like the feel - especially when pitching and chipping. Was a TruFeel guy for a long time but recently made the conversion playing the orange mat Supersoft. Like you I don't lose a lot of balls, but when I do it's not breaking the bank for sure.
I've recently switched to the Supersoft myself and I prefer them to the Pro V ball, they feel great off the club and perform well chipping and putting.
I love the Supersoft... except off the putter. It comes off way too hot for me. To me, the Vice Drive feels and performs pretty much the same off all clubs, but feels great off the putter also. And at less than $1 a ball when they run the buy 5 dozen, get 1 free, they are an absolute steal. I know they advertise them as a "beginner" ball, but this "beginner" shot his lowest round of 40 years in golf just a few weeks ago (4 under), so I'll stay a beginner forever if that's how they are going to perform.
I think it’s easy to look at spin and distance numbers and assume that all balls perform the same. But how balls hold up in windy conditions, are how much the ball moves in the air makes a significant difference. I’m a natural fader of the the ball and I usually lose significant distance with any other ball. But with the high launch high spin of the pro-v1x i hit my fade just as long as I would a draw. I’ve tinkered with dozens of balls this past year and tried to stay away from pro-v1’s. But the on course performance of the pro-v1x was to apparent to ignore.
I really like the new TM Tour response, just like a lot of players. this year,
..in a perfect world I drive a Tit, -Velocity , and approach and chip in with the TM tour Response .. 28£ a dozen.. eh.
I have used loads of PROV1 ,s as well, but only the refurbished deals -etc ..pearl lake balls.. cheap! ...same in the old days with the Pro 90,s
Golf is complicated !
Have a nice day !
I like the SD-02 as well. Replaced V1X with those. Will see when season opens, but for price think I’ll def stick with them.
Have tried the Seed ball and found good, but have gone to the AVX and found this ball to be very good 👍
Will give them a try Paul, there is a new version with new alignment aid
@@TheAverageGolfer is there 🤔 maybe worth another look at them Andy
@@paulcooper8521 might have confused the issue, I meant a new AVX with alignment aid 👍
@@TheAverageGolfer oh right even better then 😳🤣 cheers pal 👍
I’ve tried them all over the years and continue to test the new stuff that comes out. For my game, nothing is more consistent, durable and reliable than the Pro-V. Close second would be the TP5. Vice balls were slightly longer with the drives but were not very consistent for me on approach shots
Once again unbiased fact based analysis. The on course performance and numbers in GC 3 have myth/ego (my ego) busting to say the least. Thanks for the humble pie lol 😂. Humbled because my driver swing speed is over 110mph. Time to re-evaluate my ball choice current ball in play is Taylor Made Tp5x.
The thumbnail shows the left dot prov1 in the image. The low spin ( made for fastest tour pros) version.
The Vice Pro is so close to the overpriced Pro v uno, Acushnet got their panties in a bunch and filled a lawsuit against Vice Golf. Like another comment, the Vice Pro Plus is a great ball for the money. I like it better than the Snell and Oncore. Great review of the Seed.
Hi Andy. Please could you tell us what the ‘feel’ of the Seed is off the putter? Is it soft, firm or clicky? I find that the feel off a putter can be really off putting if it doesn’t suit what you expect. Thanks.
I’d say it feels like a Prov one
Of the 60 million or so golfers in the world, the average hc is 16.
As a 7hc, I doubt that the ball makes any difference to my score.
I just need to know that my pro v1 will spin more than the top flites and adjust accordingly.
Feel, on the other hand is another factor. I went from forged blades to forgiving cast cavity backs recently and a well struck shot with anything will still bring a smile to my face.
Where I am, pro V1’s cost ¥600 per ball and just ¥100 for Honma D1’s. (About six bucks vs a dollar.).
Silly me, I still buy the Titleists.
For the amateur golfer u don’t need to look to much further than the callaway super soft great ball sensible price I prefer the matt colour but all round great ball in my opinion.
They are either callaway spokes people or one of the other brands Prov will go much futher than others i know i play prov and bridgstone these are the best by far
I'm an average golfer at best. I usually play a Kirkland or a Titleist X out TruFeel. I recently bought some refurbished ProV1s at the local Golf HQ, and I have to say I do notice a difference I didn't expect. They feel better with short irons and off the putter, and I can't deny the distance I gained. They say the only difference is that a true brand new ProV1 is more durable, but I'm going to lose it (sometimes right out in the open) before I wear it out. I wouldn't actually go to the store and buy a box of brand new ProV1s, because that would hurt too much to lose them, but I would definitely play them if I was a low single digit handicap.
Don''t know who the "they" is who say that's the only difference. There is an abundance of research out there showing that refurbished balls do not perform anywhere near new ones. In fact, depending where you buy, they may not even be the same ball they claim to be. Once they are repainted, they can stamp anything they want on there. Give me a cheaper ball that's new over a refurbished anything anyday.
@@edg103 "They" are the folks at the golf shops, the more experienced golfers I know, and even a couple golf pros (club pros). Sure, someone could refinish a Nitro and paint Titleist on it, but I doubt that happens very often. I have no doubt that a brand new premium ball outperforms a refurbished one. But in my non-professional experience and opinion, a ball with a good core and a refurbished cover is better than a new cover on a crappy core.
Golf is an extremely mental game. I have tried many different brands of golf balls throughout the years, but titleist pro vs give me confidence standing over the ball for some reason. I did just order a brand called Piper golf balls that are cheaper than pro vs and hopefully they can give the same confidence. I’m tired of paying so much every 6 months or so on a new dozen to use.
Ever since I tried the taylormade tour response ball at your golf day Andy I haven’t hit anything else. I think it says a lot about this ball that virtually every pro shop or golf store are sold out yet again
Yes a real good value all rounder Luke
Did you clean the grooves between shots . That could be the reason for the large gaps in spin . I would think there would be plenty of dirt in the grooves from 1st seed to last pro v
Excellent piece of research Andy...More convinced now than ever before that golf ball brand makes negligible difference at best to performance.
There goes your chance of a Titleist sponsorship Andy! 😂😂😂
The jump forward in ball quality that started with the Pro V1 in 2000 was a literal game-changer. Before that we used to be fine playing golf with RUBBER BANDS inside the balls! Let that blow your mind.
Actually, the Nike Tour Accuracy was first--leading to Tiger's 15 stroke win at US Open at Pebble Beach. Production limitations then allowed the ProV1 to overtake it, but Nike was first.
The reason you buy Pro V1's is because of shots around the green. They're PHENOMENAL
Great video Andy, eye opening. Any chance you could test the durability of these balls. Thanks.
I’m the same. Im a 6 hc, reasonable long for an amateur, swing speed 95 to 100 mph. Prov1 are not on their own anymore. To be honest a Taylormade or Srixon distance ball is just as good. The hold on the green is great as long as your attack angle is steep. I can stop (not screw back) a distance ball just as quick on the second bounce from 50m or out of the sand. $25/30AUD a dozen at my pro shop (£12.50 to £15). I prefer a high compression ball personally.
Regardless of the two ball's performances, in the 125-yard test, the spin rates going down with each shot wasn't to do with the fact the grooves in the wedge were probably full of dirt and nothing to do with the balls would it ?!!
The balls still stopped from what I saw Garry?
@@TheAverageGolfer they did but you were both surprised by the low spin rates (which lessened with each shot) you used the example of rates lower than a 7 iron from what I remember?
@@garrychanning9133 yes I think it demonstrates how data collected indoors on mats can be questionable, the slightest contact of grass between ball and club change data considerably. Ultimately we have to take from it want we want I suppose
@@TheAverageGolfer I think a lot of club golfers use premium balls for their softer feeling when putting, in our heart of hearts we know we’re not good enough to use them and cheaper balls work just as well for us hackers but hey what’s better than hitting a pristine ProV1 you’ve just found 😃
Lewis can play! I have tried Seed and agree with you, very little difference evident. It’s the postage that put me off, I just see that as dead money and the ProV1x costs £40 . . . nearly new ones £25.
did you clean the grooves?
I get your point. Lots of good choices out there. But at $35, these are not as cheap as you suggest. Consider that I can buy Snell (at least the old MTB) for less. Buy Srixon, Cally, TaylorMade, in quantity during their spring sales and the prices are equal to or less. Heck, I just paid $42 per doz for ProV1 s during their 4 for 3 promo. And, with ProV, I never have to worry about quality control or customer service. But if you don’t appreciate the difference, and /orwould rather spend that $7 at Starbucks, I understand.
You have to also consider quality control. Titleist balls top the quality charts in the mygolfspy testing year over year (compression consistency, size consistency, roundness consistency, cover quality, etc). So you know what you
Are getting.
Not to mention Prov1’s are some of if not The most durable balls. If you toss a scuffed ball into the shag bag like I do then durability is a factor too. Some of the cheaper balls scuff without even hitting anything from my experience.
Great segment , on course is so awesome to watch! ,was it me or was the Seed longer with better dispersion? Are they available in the US?
I know I am not supposed to say it but,
I agree with many that the Kirkland ball plays as good as any top tier ball
My favorite ball is the Tailor-made Tour Response, would love to see a comparison with that one
Seems like I should feel bad about it, but I like the feel more on full iron shots and it has great feel putting.
Thank you
Can you buy the seed ball in the U.S.A.? If so, where?
Have About 600 of them ,Find them when playing solo at rural Courses First out no one behind me , Will go out about 180 yards turn right into the Woods They’re everywhere ,Don’t get Poison Ivy or oak , never hold any Other Players up! Have 2 Dozen new in Boxes 5 Years old , Present from Son . I’m 65 Old Ball Player ,and I can stillHit Hell out of them, But Love them around the Greens . Have Every Brand there is and I take care of all my Golf Buddies have not bought an Golf Ball in about 7 Years since I retired from an Utility Company , But yea Your all right , Most people have no Benefit from them , Most of My Buddies play Supersoft or Tour Soft !
Never played a ProV or any ball that cost more than $30 a dozen. It's not that I can't afford them, but my game is just not at the level where I could even tell if it made a difference. So I stay in the mid-tier price point area from $20 to maybe $35 on the top end. There are ton of good balls in that price range and right now I am playing the Callaway Supersoft in matt orange. I like the soft feel I get around the greens which is the best part of my game. I have tried Seed and they are a decent ball, but I prefer a much softer feel. Plus I like the orange color. This comparison comes at no surprise really, but I suspect it will not change the mind of anyone using a Pro V1 ball.
Interesting video again Andy. How do they compare on durability?
Just seen this and got to say the Kirkland is a quality choice but the Maxfli tour has similar results to the pro v1 also n can be bought at a really good price 👍🏻 quality vid andy
I've been playing with seed for a while, my game has got better and I've lost less balls. Honestly the best balls I've ever played
I haven't bought a PROV1 for years (I only play them if I find one) and must admit that I have never played or seen a SEED Ball. Personally, I have been using the Inesis Tour Ball from Decathlon for years. It's an excellent Ball and I pass their local store on my way to my Course. The differential in the price of the Balls pays for my Rounds, a Bacon Barm & a coffee, NO BRAINER👍👍
Yes another good value option with little loss in performance
@@TheAverageGolfer 👍👍
Agree that there are other cheaper options however if it werent for Titleist pushing the limits with research and development, none of these cheaper brands would have a starting point when going to make theirs!
How many companies reverse engineer the ProV1 to make their ball.?
Basically all of them! Notice how all of these DTC "Pro V1 killers" emerged in the past 5 years or so? It's no coincidence that is when the patents for the original Pro V1 began to run out. Now anyone with ambition and some manufacturing know-how can deliver a pro-quality 3-piece ball with a urethane cover by standing on the shoulders of giants. (And we/they don't have to feel bad about it. Titleist have made a kajillion dollars off it at this point!)
Top-Flite and Bridgestone/Nike, among others, had 3-piece, solid-core, urethane balls before the ProV1, or released right around the same time. If anything, Titleist probably reverse engineered the Strata in developing the ProV1. Titleist had the name and the money, so they get the credit. But to be fair to Titleist, they brought the quality control of golf balls up to a level that had never been seen before, and they're kept it there.
@@danielcohen3159 Interesting. They got way out-marketed, then! Also let’s be serious, Top-Flite’s brand was toast by that point in time so they didn’t stand a chance. Nike put up a fight shortly after the Pro V1 came out. Nike balls were pretty darn good around that time.
Titleist seems to still be the best for QC and I think that (+ marketing) is what you’re paying for with Pro V1s. I saw a big robot test of golf balls on UA-cam and Pro V1 had the tightest dispersion - like 40-50% smaller than the next best. That is down to manufacturing precision and quality control.
@@StephenParsey Yes, Titleist is better at QC, as I pointed out. I just don't think they're $20/box better. And I doubt the average golfer's game is improved one single stroke by using a ProV1, or any tour ball, over a Wilson Duo, Callaway Supersoft, or the TruFeel, which is a fantastic ball. But the ProV1 will definitely spin a lot more as he's knifing his 64º wedge (from the fringe) over the green and into Mrs. Rosenthal's azaleas.
Great stuff Andy!!
I wish MyGolfSpy would do more on course data vs dry as that to me is the real test. With the launch monitor and visual on the green that certainly shows evidence that these more affordable balls are not that much different.
And it makes my wife happy to save money.
So different on course than off the mat indoors Brent, surprisingly so
Agree this is far better way to test spin … it’s a real situation outside on grass .
When you think about it, dry ball data isn’t really that relevant
I play ProV1s when I have large fairways and low chances of losing the ball. I play Kirkland on narrow fairways or when there is water / trees all around.
I started using the Chromesoft Practice balls. Fantastic ball, especially when I found them for $22 a dozen. Bought enough to last for years, lol.
Would only ever buy pro V1 when they are on offer 4 for 3 do work out around £32 per dozen. Seed and Vice not really much cheaper taking postage into account. Plus with Seed you have to subscribe so unless you play plenty of golf could work out a lot dearer. I'm always looking to find a ball to play. Perhaps you could test some lower compression ball for us senior golfer?
Srixxon QStar Tour. If you're not swinging 110mph with yiyr driver, you should give this ball a go. Plays great in the wind, long straight, feels better than a prov1 everywhere, stops on a DINE. Might be your new gamer
I have Maxfli Softfli matte blue golf balls in my bag. It has ultra compression and just feels great off the club face. The ball is easier to find than popular belief.
Maxfli Tour and Maxfli Tour X... by far the best ball for the money for a swing speed under 105. I used to play Titleist, TM, and Callaway. Got a box of the Tour and Tour X.... personally, the Tour performed better of the two for me. Absolutely no noticable difference in performance compared to the big name brands. I haven't looked back since. Also, I like the alignment aid on the Maxfli. I don't need to draw a line on my ball anymore. Try them, you won't be disappointed.
Same for me but cover on Titleist is more durable that’s the only difference
I’ve been playing Vice Pro Neon due to my vision and cost which has risen recently. They are probably a mid to premium ball.I’ve never played Pro V1’s as I simply couldn’t justify the cost at my skill level - currently 11 h’cap. Currently trying a number of low cost balls - mostly 2 piece as the weather changes and I don’t seem to need ‘spin/holding power’ as greens soften up. Recently tried Titleist Velocity, Bridgestone e12, and Wilson Duo which are budget end of the market. There’s little difference between all 3 and a small difference in feel off the Driver only versus the Vice. The main ball I find is a Pro V1 - or V1x - or Srixon Soft Feel and judging by how many I find golfers loose a lot of ammo. Therefore a more competitively priced ball must make sense if you can’t tell the difference. For people like me a lot of manufacturers now make a range of balls that help visually plus also are of a colour allowing you to find them ! : ) Have bought some Seed SD -15 AF green to try out.
On the wedge shots should’ve cleaned the grooves between shots. Of course spin would drop if you’re grooves are full.
I use the vice pro soft and loving them for distance as well as feel
i brought them after the TXG review great ball at half the price but i think they are due to go up in cost but not sure by how much there's also a great deal on them for first time buyers
I'd say please review the Vice Pro Plus as well. I use the Pro Soft from them (like a chromesoft really). Love the feel around the green and I haven't enough club speed to take advantage of a prov1 type ball.
The problem I've always had with budget balls ie. Vice, Seed, Oncore, Cut, RZN. I've tried them all! They don't have the durability of a ProV1, and I tend to lose distance in my irons, sometime even a full club! First if I play a ProV1, I can get 4-5 rounds with one ball. I live in Las Vegas, and we don't lose very many balls here. But hitting into the rocks can be hazardous to these budget balls! The last time I played with Vice Pro Plus balls I went through 3 balls in the round from damage! I RARELY have to replace a ProV1 due to damage! I can hit cart paths and into the desert no problem, and not a scratch! So, if I can get a budget ball for say 2-3/ ball and have to switch out 3 in a round vs playing 1 ProV1 for 4 rounds, am I really losing money? A dozen balls can last me a couple of months! I'm a single digit player, but as we all do, I don't always hit it where I intended! Nothing spins like a ProV, it hits longer than everyone else's (not my claim) for my swing speed MyGolfSpy says it's the best for me in their testing too! Remember this test is being conducted by someone who is paid by Seed, so there is clear bias! Plus, what is their swing speed vs yours? Is it an apples-to-apples comparison? I think not, unless you too are a PGA Pro with the same swing speed!
I managed to bag some srixon z stars at a great price so use them for special occasions and wide fairways. I like kirklands, I use AD333 a lot and happy to play pro v, chrome soft, tp5 which I win or find.
The point is there are many great golf balls out there and at most levels not a big enough difference in performance to justify some of the price points