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great point about bringing up how soldiers are correctly carrying rifles. so many recent movies have ww2 soldiers or even earlier, holding rifles in same way modern troops carry assault-rifles. which is ofc wrong wrong wrong
I saw a wwii vet asked how they carried their rifles, and he said they were never told how they should carry them. Most defaulted to present arms position, but relaxed. That's for the US Army.
I have to correct you on this one. 1:00 it's actually very accurate. And yes, it's pretty damn cold in Russia in October. This gear is not exaggeration, it's necessity because of rains, bad weather, winds and because at night it will be even worse. So that scene is 9/10 in accuracy. Also, with this gear, you have absolutely no chance to survive in actual winter. They learned it the hard way.
8:20 "Ran an den Feind!" more or less means close-up on the enemy and attack. Therefore, this order is precise enough, and the squad knows where to go and what to do.
Ju-87 stuka. Bc the distinctive wing shape excludes anything else. The horizontal stabilizer showing clear abscence of any round shapes makes it a 100% ID. And not a Soviet Yak or Lagg. You also may want to look into the original wartime WWII aircraft identification (for dummies) charts, that were put to use to educate whole populations one the subject.
0:45 I'm from Russia, in October it's already cold here, it often snows😅 You need a scarf to walking in autumn forest in Russia, it's not late summer, it's early winter Sry for my bad English
@@MrPloopi Probably left behind? Hence why there was only a minor soviet force, instead of a full platoon element. Those guys were probably a logistics unit, probably a single truck which had been engaged by the germans already there. But that's just my theory.
18:04 as a soviet reenactor, I often see, especially in work from PLW that the soviet don't wear helmets, which just isn't true. Yes it happend, especially when it was very cold, but most soldiers would wear their helmet, especially in an firefight. And the gear on the belt is not placed correctly: The mosin nagant pouch should be either on the front left or right, the bottle should be at the back with the shovel.
K98' are missing their sight hoods. After the war, many Russian captured K98's had their sight hoods removed along with the cleaning rods to comply with arms reduction treaties. This was a loophole to keep the rifles in storage for a rainy day, all while stating that the rifles were demilitarized. The rifles used in this film were most likely Soviet captured rifles being reused for the film.
sight hood were also one of the first things the rifle loses at some point in battle maybe some removed them coz they are notreally needed others never had them was difficult times to produce gunXD i read all possibilitys some where
@@christianmeland303 You are correct. The new changes ordered for manufacturers to include sight hoods and 10 inch cleaning rods started December of 1939. Some 1940 rifles were made without these changes, but from 1940 until last ditch rifles were starting to be made in 45, the K98 rifle had the sight hood as a standard. Other changes made from earlier models was a flat butt plate versus a cupped butt plate for the earlier models.
I'm sure I read somewhere once that individual soldiers would remove the sight hoods because they reckoned it made it easier to be on target, but officers would shout at them because it leaves the front sight vulnerable to damage.
Great point on the holding of the K-98. Now, for soldiers who've been at the front for a while their uniforms and helmets look like they just got issued at basic training. A great point of reference movie wise is the uniforms of the soldiers in Cross Of Iron. Torn, ragged, soiled, definitely well worn...
Peckinpah at his best. Great battle scenes even if they weren't totally accurate. But then how many film directors have actually experienced combat at the grunt level?
0:55 The tunnel-scarf is called "Oma" (grandma) in Landser-jargon. You can figure out why ;D 4:15 That's actually the other way around but more so depends on the sort of mission. If it were a "Stoßtrupp" or kind of recon mission, most of the gear would be left at company HQ, only bringing the water-cantina and ammo-pouches.
The other reason to use the enemy weapon is because of its distinct sound it makes when fired, it does not give your presence away to other enemies who might be in ear shot that you are there and firing as they may assume its friendly fire.
Hey one thing I Noticed, that Soldier would NEVER Do, is start Firing when his Squad Mates haven't even taken Cover yet. You always Spreadout, Get down, and then Look back at the NCO for a Command. German, French, British, American...anyone with Common Sense
PPSh is famous for having only 1 drum functional, exactly the one that come with the gun. There was realy big chance that any other drum wont fit your gun. So PPSh drum reload is also unrealistic.
As for the guy with the PPSh, it should be noted that most of the PPSh-41's captured and used by the Wehrmacht were converted to fire 9mm and designated the MP41 (not to be confused with the variant of the MP40). Those that weren't were designated the MP717 and given 7.92x25mm Mauser ammunition (which is pretty much the same as the soviet counterpart, but somewhat less powerful).
That's true. Only after a surrendering soldier has been thoroughly searched and deemed not a threat are they *officially* considered your prisoner. Until the soldier has been searched and cleared, he is still considered an enemy combatant (even as he stands there, unarmed, with his hands up in the air).
8:30 The default ''rifle line'' is an echelon to the right/left of the squad leader depending on his position when he gives the order. The schutzen assumes the role of a grenadier and the SL takes point with an SMG. Also the squad leaders rank was role based so it was an ''unteroffizier''.
Just bought a painting to help the cause. As both a historian and a vet I commend your intellect, style and perspective. I first enjoyed military paintings when I received the Time-Life History of WW I at the tender age of 10, lots of great dogfight paintings with Fokker Tri-Wings, Albatrosses, SPADs, etc. And before I forget, this comment/purchase was instigated by seeing what could be you or your dad in Kurt Russel's 90's film Soldier. At around 7:35 he shows up, almost a doppelganger. Couldn't get a pic to paste in comments or I'd attach a sxreendhot, its pretty funny. Anyway, keep up the great work. Dad must be proud.
Not that I don't like your Russo-Ukrainian war series, in fact, I watch them quiet a lot instead of the mainstream news, but I love to see the good ol History Legend movie reaction back. Cheers mate! Love your content.
The ppsh 41 and some other drum magazine smgs were (and still are) notorious for working perfectly with some drums, maybe jamming occasionally with others, and some would basically turn it into a 71 shot bolt action. The soldier walking past a possible source of ammo could have been because he was already carrying enough, but could also have been because he found a few drums that he knew would run, and didn't want to bother searching for more magazines that were already very finicky BEFORE they had been in a battle, dropped in the mud by a dead soldier, and potentially been in that mud for at least a few hours, if not days. From what I gather, the soldiers had more of an issue with bad magazines than they did with not having enough ammo. At least with ammo you know when your gun will stop going bang, but a bad magazine will make all the ammo you can carry meaningless. Thats actually the exact reason that soldiers eventually preferred the 35 round box magazines, and the ppsh43 didn't even accept 71 round drums. Easier to load, manufacture, more reliable, lighter (35 vs 71 rounds is a BIG weight difference, especially with how far forward the drum sits) and these are also reasons why the Thompson abandoned drum mags for 20 and 30 rd box mags for the military version, in fact the m1a1 Thompson couldn't even accept drums, they had so many more cons than pros, and the Thompson was heavy even without a 50 rd steel drum, or God forbid the 100 rd one. Idk if the team behind this were aware of that issue with the ppsh, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say that the soldier knew his drums would work, and didn't want to grab the new one by accident and discover that it doesn't work the middle of a battle.
Aircrafts look like Stukas: Gull wing shaped wings, rectangular stabilizers; slow and low flying ground support; tight formation to cover each other with their back gunners.
14:02 it is historically accurate for experienced german soldiers to hold MP40 by the mag well. It can be shown by the gun itself and german training manual. From gun perspective, the MP40 has a reinforced mag well compared to it predecessor the MP38. Which means that during combat in 39 to 40, soldiers would hold them from the mag well for comfort but end up causing misfeed for the gun. The training manual for the MP40 is the same as MP38. They want the soldiers to use the handguard when firing. Experience had shown that holding from the mag well make the shooter having better recoil control when firing full auto.
9:35 Actually the kit does make a lot of noise (the mess kit and field bottle are usually the biggest culprits of this, but I never wore mess kit on A-frame so it's possible that it's not as noisy when placed in there), but it's not that much when you consider that enemy is far away and wouldn't even hear it if he wasn't due to gunshots. Hell, even in airsoft the noise is noticeable for enemy only in buildings or if you're running right next to him. EDIT: Also the tactic you chose makes sense but what Germans picked in here isn't bad. Their doctrine emphasized aggresion, and flanking. If they were to move to their buddies, they would lose the element of surprise and they would lose their position which allowed them to easily flank soviet soldiers that they saw. Also if there would be 30 soviets, and portion of them would be in firefight, they all would participate. Since the german soldiers hear only very few shots and don't see any large group of soviets, then their squad leader might think that there isn't larger force. Personally, I'd chose something entirely different (move further left and reach the forest for additional cover, from the edge of the forest engage soviets). LAST EDIT: As far as shooting prisoners of war goes. Yes, I agree. But I feel like it's important to mention that from a certain point (I think it was 1942 or 1943) there was an order for the army to take as much prisoners as possible. That was due to them being quite useful for labor. But yeah at this point, there probably wasn't that order, and the presence of the order still wouldn't mean much in this situation where you don't know what to expect so you shoot first and only then consider taking prisoners.
I have two major objections in question of the movie. First, German soldiers were usually not just indulging in wanderlust through some woodlands, but had assigned tasks. It would mean, that this group of 5 men were part of a larger group that was centered around a MG or a grenade thrower and had to carry water, food or ammo for their main armament to their position. But in that case, 5 men would be a logistical overkill and one or two men would do this job, while the rest of the group would stay in the position. Second, they wouldn't have left that soviet soldier alive. There was just a huge difference in the german view on western allied soldiers and soviet soldiers. Western allied soldiers would have been seen as equals and while it came to several atrocities, they were normally kept as PoWs and treated somehow well-ish. But since Soviets and Russians were believed to be Untermenschen, the whole goal of the war in the east was to kill as much of them as possible. More than 5 million soviet soldiers became PoWs and more than 3.5 million did not survive their captivity. So, in this situation, somewhere out in the woodlands, you wouldn't take a single prisoner, whom you then had to walk all the way back to command post just to get reproved by your officers for wasting their time. Keeping him with you would mean to share your food with him - also not an option. There are a few stories of Soviets who were told to just go away, but usually they were shot at the spot. You might now ask, where the large number of more then 5 million soviet PoW than was possible - most of them were captured in large cauldrons, where whole armies surrendered to the Germans. To kill all of them on the spot was just logistically not possible, so usually jewish soldiers and the officers where singled out and sent directly to one of the death camps and the normal soldiers were walked to PoW-camps. For soviet soldiers, these camps were sometimes not more than a field with barbed wire and a fence on the edges, they were given very little food, no amenities and were left out to either freeze or starve to death. Sometimes, skilled workers or soldiers who would declare their will to fight for Germany would get a better treatment, but for many, it was as bad as i just said.
At 1:37, the wings of the aircraft look like those of a JU- 87. EDIT: the German soldiers are too close to one another. One grenade could take out two or three of them.
Don't feel like combing through the 400+ comments to see if it's been pointed out, but at the ranges you yourself estimated, firing a PPSH and hoping to hit anything is ... realistic. Firing 100-200 meters accurately (hitting man-sized targets, or at the very worst, close enough to have a suppressive effect) with an SMG is absolutely within the range of possibility.
Other people probably got here first but: The planes that flew overhead were JU87 Stukas. I also think that the soldier should have counted one or two seconds before throwing the M24 grenade, as they took about 4.5 seconds to detonate
one thing about the uniform. By oct 1944, they look like fresh guys with newly painted helmets. but they should be wearing M42 helmets without the heer decal.
And another thing , that is laughable; there is not a speck of dirt on anyone's uniforms. I am retired Infantry , and even in peacetime , you are trained to get down AND dirty ; everyone without exception. It is how you stay alive on a battlefield. And when you get up again , there is dirt and crap stuck to your uniform.
8:11 Actually this will be quite hard to loot an amunition from russian solider to PPS. The quality of russian weapons and drum magazines is the main problem. Most of the PPS were so poorly made that very often only the original drums from same factory as the weapon fits (I had even an experience with PPS that required beating like a hammer to put the magazine in place). The second option is to loot an ammunition and reload own drum magazine, but this is quite hard, sometimes dangerous and takes a lot of time.
I would say this was pretty accurate from the uniforms to the way they approach the Russians by flanking them and using cover.If there were more Russians in the woods they would've already come out to surround the two Germans we saw engaging the enemy first.
My grandfather told me a story on the eastern front. He was driving some jeep, with supplies. But the engine broke down, and as he heard the Germans coming he just fell to the ground, pretending to be dead. This actually worked, with the Germans running past him. He waited until it was dim, and ran into a forest where he found other soviet soldiers. Everyone was fleeing at a random time. He also told me there was a soldier who always ate good food, such as spaghetti and meat. He wondered how he was doing it, so after a few days he watched the man, he went to the German camp and shown his bowl to the German chief. The German just poured some food without looking and called for the next German soldier, too busy serving to notice.
At 8:19 he says "Auf mein Kommando Schützenreihe und ran an den Feind", so it is sth like "at my command build a squad line and approach the enemy/get to the enemy". This is the answer to your question in 8:30 "go where??"
planes are stukas, was about to say IL-2 but then i looked closer at the wings in the tail and they are squared, stuka style, while the il-2 had them rounded.
thank you, I thought I was the only one thinking "wait a minute oct 1944 the front was in Briansk? When only 6 months later they defeated the Wehrmacht in Berlin?"
Date is definitely WAAAY off...there is no way you'd have German troops that are this well equipped and in this good a shape in/around Bryansk in late 1944. Minsk was liberated mid-summer 1944 and that's over 500km west of Bryansk...by October the front would have another 150km or so further west.
5:30 one of the things I wish I could do in CoH2 is make my men walk in a column so I don’t get a whole squad wiped out by a mortar shell when their all grouped grouped up
10:25 I don't think what's is what happened. The actor probably tripped on the rough terrain since there's dead trees everywhere and they added some dirt kick off the ground in post. They didn't add the blood on the person to show him getting shot like you suggested.
17:10 not in a fox hole it was a long gully also earlier if you have been with a squad for a time and are trained you don't have to detail everything, as your squad will know what to do. these Germans may have done something like this 10+ time like this by now. Like think when you watch a squad clear a room, you don't have the officer saying you go straight, you look left you look right., they already have a knowledge outline of what there roll is by where they are in relation to the other members and where the threat is.
@8:40 He gave an order for a special formation "Schützenlinie" (like a Search&Rescue team looking for a missing person in line formation) with the goal "to the enemy". Translation "rifle line" is fals!
There were no Germans in Briansk in october 1944 anymore. At that date the front was already deep in Poland. That would be the first major historical inaccuracy a historian should have noted, before the clothes.
@@Lorena-tx8yy maybe there but not here. I find funny that a historian channel reacts on how the soldier holds his riffle but not that 1944 is impossible
Thx for this analysis, a real moment of army cinema criticism! I would prefer to know about the putting in of my good friend's army. But I guess that I should wait for more decisive progress! To be seen. Thx anyway for your investigation and critics' skills...
I believe that's a Ju-87 Stuka. No Soviet prop driven aircraft that I know of has square wing and elevator tips and the first thing that comes to mind is Stuka.
I ❤ PLW! Their productions are much more authentic and dramatic than the b.s. that Hollywood cranks out. And they do it for a lot less money. I've been a WW2 buff since I was child. I grew up around a lot of WW2 vets and have had great interest in the war. But mostly it's been from the American point of view. In the last 10 years or so I've become more interested in the German and Japanese perspective. PLW helps me fill that desire to know about the "enemy ".
Very interesting thanks for the vid. The criticism i would make is that the gear the germans had was all new. This is 1944 there would likely be a miss match of gear and a lot of it would be very worn and bits missing. There was some weathering but it wasn't convincing.
I’ve heard historical accounts that German squads where disbanded and their members used to reinforce other squads if they lost their machinegunner. Because the German squad tactics revolve around their machinegun. So this appears to me like half a squad sent on a patrol while the other half with the MG stays behind to guard the camp or the trench or wherever the main force is.
@@waynzignordics well you can still get lost on a patrol. As for the small group they came across. I’m assuming they where another half squad (you only see 2 of them but I’m assuming there where more we didn’t see laying down) sent to patrol the same area but due to the first squad getting lost their patrols overlapped. In other words the first squad was supposed to get there earlier and got lost, so by the time they got to where they where supposed to be a second squad had gotten there and where engaged. they arrived late, but just in time to save the day. At least that’s what I think.
Ha-ha! You are not taking into consideration that German soldiers were Arian Übermenschen. So of course he can easily throw that hand grenade from a lying position, and hit the target spot on from a fair amount of distance. Piece of cake! 😄
What I dont like is the removed wood with perfect stumps created by mechanized harvester and with all those branches left there... in those ages of WW2 it would be mostly done by axes and manual saws with different shape. And all those branches collected... :D PPSh is accurate enough to hit man sized targets at 150-200m and those 7.62x25 have enough energy to hit you effectively.
German soldiers did not have much winter equipment in the beginning. Leader at the top said it would not be needed and to produce it would be too much of a burden for the german industry. They expected that Operation Barbarossa would be enough to crush the soviet union completely without need for much winter gear. German soldiers had to take winter clothing from the russians for the first couple of years. Especially the german boots were unsuitable for winter conditions. As a consequence the german soldiers suffered immensely. The energy-draining effect of constant cold, suffering frostbite, losing fingers, toes and other extremities is horrible and lowers your abilities to fight. When you are exhausted it can just freeze you to death to your foxhole. In the movie the NCO has covered his ears during a scouting patrol. It looks like the temperature is above 5 celsius, maybe around 10c. Covering your ears is not necessary in that temp and is a detriment to your perception ability. During scouting you don't want to miss anything you could hear. Others might still tell you that they heard something but its not the same thing. Movement looked good and realistic in the movie. Decisions and actions were believable and realistic and their equipment too. Btw you can put some small branches to your metallic items or cover them with cloth etc when you pack them, so that they don't make noise when moving. It was well thought of in the movie. I cant watch Hollywood movies anymore. Earlier I tried to tolerate the sheer ignorance of realism and facts but these days I just can't anymore. I would rather watch movies like this that don't underestimate the audience.
@ 3:00 The soldier with the MP40 wears the epaulets of an NCO, an _Unteroffizier_ or Buck Sergeant. He should be the one in charge. @ 6:22 We a gas mask cannister.
As much as I hate seeing the execution of POWs, for the Germans this was the only option the had towards the end of the war, when they barely enough supplies for their own soldiers and civilians, not to mention the shortage of man power. They simply didn't have the resources to guard and escort them to POW camps let alone care for them. And they couldn't let them go or they would just end up fighting them again the next day. So its the only logical option when you're outnumbered and losing in a war of attrition
The town remained under Axis occupation from October 6, 1941 to September 17, 1943, with the city left heavily damaged by fighting. About 60,000 Soviet partisans were active in and around Bryansk, inflicting heavy losses on the German army. The Germans left Bryansk in 1943
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I think there will be grenade throwing training for the actors on the next shoot to close this gap as well!
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great point about bringing up how soldiers are correctly carrying rifles. so many recent movies have ww2 soldiers or even earlier, holding rifles in same way modern troops carry assault-rifles. which is ofc wrong wrong wrong
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Even video games like COD Vanguard with the sprint animation
Ah yes, I love seeing 1914-1945 troops in low ready and practicing trigger discipline
I saw a wwii vet asked how they carried their rifles, and he said they were never told how they should carry them. Most defaulted to present arms position, but relaxed. That's for the US Army.
I have to correct you on this one. 1:00 it's actually very accurate. And yes, it's pretty damn cold in Russia in October. This gear is not exaggeration, it's necessity because of rains, bad weather, winds and because at night it will be even worse. So that scene is 9/10 in accuracy. Also, with this gear, you have absolutely no chance to survive in actual winter. They learned it the hard way.
Wind is chilli af, also winters were harsher back then
@@mkismkismk And they were always marching uphill, both ways.
It's not October. There're no green grass or leafs. I guess it's a late November.
Not to mention they have to stay outdoor for the whole day every day.
@@hippoace 100% agreed, most people forget that. Imagen being outside in Oktober for days non stop ...
1:42 It's Ju-87 'Stuka". Very important plane in context of WWII, an ultimate sign of german terror, and one of the pillars of Blitzkrieg.
Yep, Stukas, no doubt!
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Ju-87 Stukas in 1944
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8:20 "Ran an den Feind!" more or less means close-up on the enemy and attack. Therefore, this order is precise enough, and the squad knows where to go and what to do.
"Get closer to the enemy"
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Exactly - and the 'Schützenreihe' order is also pretty straight forward.
@@obiwankenobi579 The order "Schützenreihe" means the formation that the soldiers must set up!
Ju-87 stuka. Bc the distinctive wing shape excludes anything else. The horizontal stabilizer showing clear abscence of any round shapes makes it a 100% ID. And not a Soviet Yak or Lagg.
You also may want to look into the original wartime WWII aircraft identification (for dummies) charts, that were put to use to educate whole populations one the subject.
0:45
I'm from Russia, in October it's already cold here, it often snows😅
You need a scarf to walking in autumn forest in Russia, it's not late summer, it's early winter
Sry for my bad English
I think that with the way they are so physically active they are way overdressed: great coats, sweaters and scarves. Too hot and sweaty.
and wasn't the Red Army starting to encircle Warsaw in Oct 1944? Why would there be Germans walking in the forests of Briansk?
@@MrPloopi yes, I was wondering too
@@MrPloopi Probably left behind? Hence why there was only a minor soviet force, instead of a full platoon element. Those guys were probably a logistics unit, probably a single truck which had been engaged by the germans already there. But that's just my theory.
Your English isn't that bad.
18:04 as a soviet reenactor, I often see, especially in work from PLW that the soviet don't wear helmets, which just isn't true. Yes it happend, especially when it was very cold, but most soldiers would wear their helmet, especially in an firefight. And the gear on the belt is not placed correctly: The mosin nagant pouch should be either on the front left or right, the bottle should be at the back with the shovel.
K98' are missing their sight hoods. After the war, many Russian captured K98's had their sight hoods removed along with the cleaning rods to comply with arms reduction treaties. This was a loophole to keep the rifles in storage for a rainy day, all while stating that the rifles were demilitarized. The rifles used in this film were most likely Soviet captured rifles being reused for the film.
sight hood were also one of the first things the rifle loses at some point in battle maybe some removed them coz they are notreally needed others never had them was difficult times to produce gunXD i read all possibilitys some where
Early k98's were made without a front sight hood. They came later.
@@christianmeland303 You are correct. The new changes ordered for manufacturers to include sight hoods and 10 inch cleaning rods started December of 1939. Some 1940 rifles were made without these changes, but from 1940 until last ditch rifles were starting to be made in 45, the K98 rifle had the sight hood as a standard. Other changes made from earlier models was a flat butt plate versus a cupped butt plate for the earlier models.
I'm sure I read somewhere once that individual soldiers would remove the sight hoods because they reckoned it made it easier to be on target, but officers would shout at them because it leaves the front sight vulnerable to damage.
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8:25 He gave a precise order "Schützenreihe (bilden) und ran an den Feind!" means "Shooter row (form) and get to the enemy!"
Great point on the holding of the K-98. Now, for soldiers who've been at the front for a while their uniforms and helmets look like they just got issued at basic training. A great point of reference movie wise is the uniforms of the soldiers in Cross Of Iron. Torn, ragged, soiled, definitely well worn...
I agree with you, however keep in mind that these are reenactors, they are not going to destroy their uniforms etc.
being that its october, they may have just been issued their winter wear. if so, it could be newly issued coats and gloves
Peckinpah at his best. Great battle scenes even if they weren't totally accurate. But then how many film directors have actually experienced combat at the grunt level?
0:55 The tunnel-scarf is called "Oma" (grandma) in Landser-jargon. You can figure out why ;D
4:15 That's actually the other way around but more so depends on the sort of mission. If it were a "Stoßtrupp" or kind of recon mission, most of the gear would be left at company HQ, only bringing the water-cantina and ammo-pouches.
Gj Paralight, it realy looked like real ww2 footage. Thx for great work!
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The other reason to use the enemy weapon is because of its distinct sound it makes when fired, it does not give your presence away to other enemies who might be in ear shot that you are there and firing as they may assume its friendly fire.
Hey one thing I Noticed, that Soldier would NEVER Do, is start Firing when his Squad Mates haven't even taken Cover yet. You always Spreadout, Get down, and then Look back at the NCO for a Command. German, French, British, American...anyone with Common Sense
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PPSh is famous for having only 1 drum functional, exactly the one that come with the gun. There was realy big chance that any other drum wont fit your gun.
So PPSh drum reload is also unrealistic.
Looking for ammo on the dead bodies might be dangerous becasue of the possiblilty of booby traps. ( I said booby)
Later in the war it waw fixed plus soviet soldiers were issued more than one mag
@@cheekibreekiivdamke8134 nah, soviets switched to standart box magazines,
Those aircraft that flew over, they where the Junkers Ju-87 stuka, a German dive bomber.
As for the guy with the PPSh, it should be noted that most of the PPSh-41's captured and used by the Wehrmacht were converted to fire 9mm and designated the MP41 (not to be confused with the variant of the MP40). Those that weren't were designated the MP717 and given 7.92x25mm Mauser ammunition (which is pretty much the same as the soviet counterpart, but somewhat less powerful).
Stukas, I'm not sure which type but I think it's the king that would carry 100 pound bombs
The planes looked like german stuka divebombers.
17:20 it's not a prisoner the second they put their hands up. He can be tricking you into an ambush
That's true. Only after a surrendering soldier has been thoroughly searched and deemed not a threat are they *officially* considered your prisoner. Until the soldier has been searched and cleared, he is still considered an enemy combatant (even as he stands there, unarmed, with his hands up in the air).
@@DeadPixel1105 exactly.
8:30 The default ''rifle line'' is an echelon to the right/left of the squad leader depending on his position when he gives the order. The schutzen assumes the role of a grenadier and the SL takes point with an SMG. Also the squad leaders rank was role based so it was an ''unteroffizier''.
The unteroffizier is wearing actual underoffizier shoulder insignia, too.
Just bought a painting to help the cause. As both a historian and a vet I commend your intellect, style and perspective. I first enjoyed military paintings when I received the Time-Life History of WW I at the tender age of 10, lots of great dogfight paintings with Fokker Tri-Wings, Albatrosses, SPADs, etc. And before I forget, this comment/purchase was instigated by seeing what could be you or your dad in Kurt Russel's 90's film Soldier. At around 7:35 he shows up, almost a doppelganger. Couldn't get a pic to paste in comments or I'd attach a sxreendhot, its pretty funny. Anyway, keep up the great work. Dad must be proud.
Not that I don't like your Russo-Ukrainian war series, in fact, I watch them quiet a lot instead of the mainstream news, but I love to see the good ol History Legend movie reaction back. Cheers mate! Love your content.
The plane was probably a Stuka because it has idk how to say in English but in German it’s: die heckflügel Waren viereckig also wahrscheinlich Stuka.
The ppsh 41 and some other drum magazine smgs were (and still are) notorious for working perfectly with some drums, maybe jamming occasionally with others, and some would basically turn it into a 71 shot bolt action. The soldier walking past a possible source of ammo could have been because he was already carrying enough, but could also have been because he found a few drums that he knew would run, and didn't want to bother searching for more magazines that were already very finicky BEFORE they had been in a battle, dropped in the mud by a dead soldier, and potentially been in that mud for at least a few hours, if not days. From what I gather, the soldiers had more of an issue with bad magazines than they did with not having enough ammo. At least with ammo you know when your gun will stop going bang, but a bad magazine will make all the ammo you can carry meaningless. Thats actually the exact reason that soldiers eventually preferred the 35 round box magazines, and the ppsh43 didn't even accept 71 round drums. Easier to load, manufacture, more reliable, lighter (35 vs 71 rounds is a BIG weight difference, especially with how far forward the drum sits) and these are also reasons why the Thompson abandoned drum mags for 20 and 30 rd box mags for the military version, in fact the m1a1 Thompson couldn't even accept drums, they had so many more cons than pros, and the Thompson was heavy even without a 50 rd steel drum, or God forbid the 100 rd one.
Idk if the team behind this were aware of that issue with the ppsh, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say that the soldier knew his drums would work, and didn't want to grab the new one by accident and discover that it doesn't work the middle of a battle.
Aircrafts look like Stukas: Gull wing shaped wings, rectangular stabilizers; slow and low flying ground support;
tight formation to cover each other with their back gunners.
great work bro
I loved the darker tone this film had. They should do more like that.
14:02 it is historically accurate for experienced german soldiers to hold MP40 by the mag well.
It can be shown by the gun itself and german training manual. From gun perspective, the MP40 has a reinforced mag well compared to it predecessor the MP38. Which means that during combat in 39 to 40, soldiers would hold them from the mag well for comfort but end up causing misfeed for the gun.
The training manual for the MP40 is the same as MP38. They want the soldiers to use the handguard when firing. Experience had shown that holding from the mag well make the shooter having better recoil control when firing full auto.
9:35 Actually the kit does make a lot of noise (the mess kit and field bottle are usually the biggest culprits of this, but I never wore mess kit on A-frame so it's possible that it's not as noisy when placed in there), but it's not that much when you consider that enemy is far away and wouldn't even hear it if he wasn't due to gunshots. Hell, even in airsoft the noise is noticeable for enemy only in buildings or if you're running right next to him.
EDIT: Also the tactic you chose makes sense but what Germans picked in here isn't bad. Their doctrine emphasized aggresion, and flanking. If they were to move to their buddies, they would lose the element of surprise and they would lose their position which allowed them to easily flank soviet soldiers that they saw. Also if there would be 30 soviets, and portion of them would be in firefight, they all would participate. Since the german soldiers hear only very few shots and don't see any large group of soviets, then their squad leader might think that there isn't larger force. Personally, I'd chose something entirely different (move further left and reach the forest for additional cover, from the edge of the forest engage soviets).
LAST EDIT: As far as shooting prisoners of war goes. Yes, I agree. But I feel like it's important to mention that from a certain point (I think it was 1942 or 1943) there was an order for the army to take as much prisoners as possible. That was due to them being quite useful for labor. But yeah at this point, there probably wasn't that order, and the presence of the order still wouldn't mean much in this situation where you don't know what to expect so you shoot first and only then consider taking prisoners.
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Finally some history videos.
Minute 1:56 those planes where Junkers 87, stukas you can recognize then by their wings.
Old good HistoryLegends reacts videos are back:)
I have two major objections in question of the movie.
First, German soldiers were usually not just indulging in wanderlust through some woodlands, but had assigned tasks. It would mean, that this group of 5 men were part of a larger group that was centered around a MG or a grenade thrower and had to carry water, food or ammo for their main armament to their position. But in that case, 5 men would be a logistical overkill and one or two men would do this job, while the rest of the group would stay in the position.
Second, they wouldn't have left that soviet soldier alive. There was just a huge difference in the german view on western allied soldiers and soviet soldiers. Western allied soldiers would have been seen as equals and while it came to several atrocities, they were normally kept as PoWs and treated somehow well-ish.
But since Soviets and Russians were believed to be Untermenschen, the whole goal of the war in the east was to kill as much of them as possible. More than 5 million soviet soldiers became PoWs and more than 3.5 million did not survive their captivity.
So, in this situation, somewhere out in the woodlands, you wouldn't take a single prisoner, whom you then had to walk all the way back to command post just to get reproved by your officers for wasting their time. Keeping him with you would mean to share your food with him - also not an option. There are a few stories of Soviets who were told to just go away, but usually they were shot at the spot.
You might now ask, where the large number of more then 5 million soviet PoW than was possible - most of them were captured in large cauldrons, where whole armies surrendered to the Germans. To kill all of them on the spot was just logistically not possible, so usually jewish soldiers and the officers where singled out and sent directly to one of the death camps and the normal soldiers were walked to PoW-camps. For soviet soldiers, these camps were sometimes not more than a field with barbed wire and a fence on the edges, they were given very little food, no amenities and were left out to either freeze or starve to death. Sometimes, skilled workers or soldiers who would declare their will to fight for Germany would get a better treatment, but for many, it was as bad as i just said.
At 1:37, the wings of the aircraft look like those of a JU- 87. EDIT: the German soldiers are too close to one another. One grenade could take out two or three of them.
Again great Work, very entertaning and informative. Also the "scarf" at the beginning of the Video is a "Sturmhaube". Again great Work👍
I fuckin' love these guys' videos, such good quality.
Hello from Brazil. Your channel is one of the best in UA-cam. Good luck and success
The planes on 1:41 look like Stukas to me.
Don't feel like combing through the 400+ comments to see if it's been pointed out, but at the ranges you yourself estimated, firing a PPSH and hoping to hit anything is ... realistic. Firing 100-200 meters accurately (hitting man-sized targets, or at the very worst, close enough to have a suppressive effect) with an SMG is absolutely within the range of possibility.
1:46 those are stukas
Other people probably got here first but: The planes that flew overhead were JU87 Stukas. I also think that the soldier should have counted one or two seconds before throwing the M24 grenade, as they took about 4.5 seconds to detonate
you gonna do a reaction to Lazorpigs rant?
one thing about the uniform.
By oct 1944, they look like fresh guys with newly painted helmets. but they should be wearing M42 helmets without the heer decal.
1:47 Would be the Ju 87 “Stuka” dive bomber, one of the scariest bombers. If you look closely, you can see the wings going upwards.
love these reaction videos make more of these
1:05 9℃ / 2℃ IS FREEZING!!! I live in Australia, and 18℃ is considered a cold day during summer. I cannot imagine 9 degrees during Summer!
Could you analyze how authentic is the game Brothers in Arms Road to Hill 30?
1:40 pretty sure that is Ju-87 Stuka
And another thing , that is laughable; there is not a speck of dirt on anyone's uniforms. I am retired Infantry , and even in peacetime , you are trained to get down AND dirty ; everyone without exception. It is how you stay alive on a battlefield. And when you get up again , there is dirt and crap stuck to your uniform.
8:11 Actually this will be quite hard to loot an amunition from russian solider to PPS. The quality of russian weapons and drum magazines is the main problem. Most of the PPS were so poorly made that very often only the original drums from same factory as the weapon fits (I had even an experience with PPS that required beating like a hammer to put the magazine in place). The second option is to loot an ammunition and reload own drum magazine, but this is quite hard, sometimes dangerous and takes a lot of time.
and looting corpses can be dangerous as they can be transformed into boobytraps
React to LazerPig's scathing commentary
I would say this was pretty accurate from the uniforms to the way they approach the Russians by flanking them and using cover.If there were more Russians in the woods they would've already come out to surround the two Germans we saw engaging the enemy first.
My grandfather told me a story on the eastern front. He was driving some jeep, with supplies. But the engine broke down, and as he heard the Germans coming he just fell to the ground, pretending to be dead. This actually worked, with the Germans running past him. He waited until it was dim, and ran into a forest where he found other soviet soldiers. Everyone was fleeing at a random time. He also told me there was a soldier who always ate good food, such as spaghetti and meat. He wondered how he was doing it, so after a few days he watched the man, he went to the German camp and shown his bowl to the German chief. The German just poured some food without looking and called for the next German soldier, too busy serving to notice.
1:48
Definitely a Ju 87 Stuka.
At 8:19 he says "Auf mein Kommando Schützenreihe und ran an den Feind", so it is sth like "at my command build a squad line and approach the enemy/get to the enemy". This is the answer to your question in 8:30 "go where??"
planes are stukas, was about to say IL-2 but then i looked closer at the wings in the tail and they are squared, stuka style, while the il-2 had them rounded.
The date makes no sense, as Brjansk was liberated in 1943.
Still, I agree with you about the grenade scene.
Yeah i though that was a little odd too
thank you, I thought I was the only one thinking "wait a minute oct 1944 the front was in Briansk? When only 6 months later they defeated the Wehrmacht in Berlin?"
Date is definitely WAAAY off...there is no way you'd have German troops that are this well equipped and in this good a shape in/around Bryansk in late 1944. Minsk was liberated mid-summer 1944 and that's over 500km west of Bryansk...by October the front would have another 150km or so further west.
5:30 one of the things I wish I could do in CoH2 is make my men walk in a column so I don’t get a whole squad wiped out by a mortar shell when their all grouped grouped up
Believe me or not. The guy with the PPsh at 7:40 is me. Greetings from Germany. 🇩🇪
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10:25 I don't think what's is what happened. The actor probably tripped on the rough terrain since there's dead trees everywhere and they added some dirt kick off the ground in post. They didn't add the blood on the person to show him getting shot like you suggested.
This is one of the only films I’ve ever seen incorporate buddy rushing with legit cover. Nice
17:10 not in a fox hole it was a long gully
also earlier if you have been with a squad for a time and are trained you don't have to detail everything, as your squad will know what to do. these Germans may have done something like this 10+ time like this by now. Like think when you watch a squad clear a room, you don't have the officer saying you go straight, you look left you look right., they already have a knowledge outline of what there roll is by where they are in relation to the other members and where the threat is.
@8:40 He gave an order for a special formation "Schützenlinie" (like a Search&Rescue team looking for a missing person in line formation) with the goal "to the enemy".
Translation "rifle line" is fals!
It's also a concussion grenade, unless it has a shrapnel sleeve.
There were no Germans in Briansk in october 1944 anymore. At that date the front was already deep in Poland. That would be the first major historical inaccuracy a historian should have noted, before the clothes.
It's 1941 not 1944.
you did not even watch the video and this guy got 3 likes.
In german we say Aufmerksamkeitsspanne einer Fliege.
@@Lorena-tx8yy I clearly hear 1944
@Eternal Sunshine
But, if you go watch the Film on Paralightworx the titles say 1941.
@@Lorena-tx8yy maybe there but not here. I find funny that a historian channel reacts on how the soldier holds his riffle but not that 1944 is impossible
outline of the aircraft at the beginning looks like JU-87 Stuka dive bombers.
Great analysis
Thx for this analysis, a real moment of army cinema criticism! I would prefer to know about the putting in of my good friend's army. But I guess that I should wait for more decisive progress! To be seen. Thx anyway for your investigation and critics' skills...
rectangular rear wings, tilted front wings and square, i guess it's a stuka
I believe that's a Ju-87 Stuka. No Soviet prop driven aircraft that I know of has square wing and elevator tips and the first thing that comes to mind is Stuka.
I ❤ PLW! Their productions are much more authentic and dramatic than the b.s. that Hollywood cranks out. And they do it for a lot less money.
I've been a WW2 buff since I was child. I grew up around a lot of WW2 vets and have had great interest in the war. But mostly it's been from the American point of view. In the last 10 years or so I've become more interested in the German and Japanese perspective. PLW helps me fill that desire to know about the "enemy ".
I like that you praise ones the German Army. The round container contains the gas mask. I think he was trained to throw the granate that way.
Very interesting thanks for the vid. The criticism i would make is that the gear the germans had was all new. This is 1944 there would likely be a miss match of gear and a lot of it would be very worn and bits missing. There was some weathering but it wasn't convincing.
1:43 they were JU-87 stukas
I’ve heard historical accounts that German squads where disbanded and their members used to reinforce other squads if they lost their machinegunner. Because the German squad tactics revolve around their machinegun. So this appears to me like half a squad sent on a patrol while the other half with the MG stays behind to guard the camp or the trench or wherever the main force is.
Doesn't sound like they were on patrol. They got lost wherever they were headed to, and found another group of (lost?) soldiers by luck.
@@waynzignordics well you can still get lost on a patrol. As for the small group they came across. I’m assuming they where another half squad (you only see 2 of them but I’m assuming there where more we didn’t see laying down) sent to patrol the same area but due to the first squad getting lost their patrols overlapped. In other words the first squad was supposed to get there earlier and got lost, so by the time they got to where they where supposed to be a second squad had gotten there and where engaged. they arrived late, but just in time to save the day. At least that’s what I think.
1:42 those were Stukas. German divebombers.
Ha-ha! You are not taking into consideration that German soldiers were Arian Übermenschen. So of course he can easily throw that hand grenade from a lying position, and hit the target spot on from a fair amount of distance. Piece of cake! 😄
The aircraft look like Stukas. Just based of the wings.
Looks like a flight of Junkers 87 Stuka. Reversed wing config
He Said on my commant on a Line and shoot
Nice reaction, sir ☺️👌 !!!!!! Can you please do more WW2 reactions?
I think those aircrafts are JU-87 STUKAs
I really doubt your could tell accurately how cold is cold
Airplane - looks like Junkers Stuka. Stright tail and the shepe of wing.
12:24 just seeing the map turn from a 5vs5 to a 30vs5 is just... bruh
What I dont like is the removed wood with perfect stumps created by mechanized harvester and with all those branches left there... in those ages of WW2 it would be mostly done by axes and manual saws with different shape. And all those branches collected... :D
PPSh is accurate enough to hit man sized targets at 150-200m and those 7.62x25 have enough energy to hit you effectively.
German soldiers did not have much winter equipment in the beginning. Leader at the top said it would not be needed and to produce it would be too much of a burden for the german industry. They expected that Operation Barbarossa would be enough to crush the soviet union completely without need for much winter gear.
German soldiers had to take winter clothing from the russians for the first couple of years. Especially the german boots were unsuitable for winter conditions. As a consequence the german soldiers suffered immensely. The energy-draining effect of constant cold, suffering frostbite, losing fingers, toes and other extremities is horrible and lowers your abilities to fight. When you are exhausted it can just freeze you to death to your foxhole.
In the movie the NCO has covered his ears during a scouting patrol. It looks like the temperature is above 5 celsius, maybe around 10c. Covering your ears is not necessary in that temp and is a detriment to your perception ability. During scouting you don't want to miss anything you could hear. Others might still tell you that they heard something but its not the same thing.
Movement looked good and realistic in the movie. Decisions and actions were believable and realistic and their equipment too. Btw you can put some small branches to your metallic items or cover them with cloth etc when you pack them, so that they don't make noise when moving. It was well thought of in the movie.
I cant watch Hollywood movies anymore. Earlier I tried to tolerate the sheer ignorance of realism and facts but these days I just can't anymore. I would rather watch movies like this that don't underestimate the audience.
The plane you wanted us to identify was a Stuka JU 87
The grenade part could just be shock and panic of just wanting to live and didnt want to get shot when he looked at the enemy's
@ 3:00 The soldier with the MP40 wears the epaulets of an NCO, an _Unteroffizier_ or Buck Sergeant. He should be the one in charge. @ 6:22 We a gas mask cannister.
As much as I hate seeing the execution of POWs, for the Germans this was the only option the had towards the end of the war, when they barely enough supplies for their own soldiers and civilians, not to mention the shortage of man power. They simply didn't have the resources to guard and escort them to POW camps let alone care for them. And they couldn't let them go or they would just end up fighting them again the next day. So its the only logical option when you're outnumbered and losing in a war of attrition
The town remained under Axis occupation from October 6, 1941 to September 17, 1943, with the city left heavily damaged by fighting. About 60,000 Soviet partisans were active in and around Bryansk, inflicting heavy losses on the German army. The Germans left Bryansk in 1943
Took this from wiki
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the one thing i pick up on in WW1-WW2 movies is that the soldiers are to tactical or have gun control