IH 3788 "anteater" w/cart chasing an IH 1480
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- Running a 3788 International Harvester "anteater" tractor pulling auger cart chasing an IH 1480 combine and Deere 9600 combine picking corn on the Snipes family farms, Sunday, November 9, 2014....
The axial changed the dynamics of harvesting, the best combines in the 80s, I worked for a man that had 1, kept the truck running on a half mile run and a 10" auger in barley, the quality that was in the tank was better than anyone too
Such an awesome piece of farm history, those particular tractors
Just love the old IH 2+2......still got the ERTL 1/16 scale 3588.....i got when I was a kid.....and I'm 41
Loved to run those. Very fun and effective horse.
We still have one. Used to have 4. Great tractors. Do their best work at about 210hp.
Yep... my old seed/chemical/fertilizer dealer used two of them and did all his farming with them. He loved them. Back in the 90's you couldn't give them away for awhile there... Later! OL J R :)
I have seen a 2 + 2 in reality once in the early 80's.
My Dad cash rents his crop ground and the farm family that works it were always big Massey Ferguson guys. A few years ago they bought a 1660 just because the price was really good as it was high hours. That was about 5 years ago-they're still running that 1660 and love it and have added a newer 2388. The main reason every farmer I've talked to says they like Axial Flows is how simple they really are-and how easy it is to work on them. My brother-in-law hunts quite a bit and walks through lots of corn stubble. He claims there's corn spit out everywhere a John Deere combine has gone through compared to how little he sees on the ground that an Axial-Flow went through.
The simple fact the crop runs lengthwise through the rotor compared to a cylinder allows lots more area for grain to get caught and allows a much gentler threshing process. Doesn't the rotor produce airflow also that eliminated the need for straw walkers? It's quite a jump from the old IH 403 I ran as a kid before Dad started cash renting. It did alright in corn but beans were kind of rough on the old gal. I would say JD probably had a better harvester before the Axial Flow blew them out of the water. (And still couldn't save IH...:( .)
Well there's something to the rotor or Deere wouldn't have copied it...
We ran a Ford 640 (Claas "Senator") on our farm in TX that Dad And Grandpa bought new in the early-mid 70's... It was a h3ll of a machine in it's day... Run circles around nearly everything else of the time AND turned out "the cleanest sample they ever saw" at the elevator, with very very little field loss. Back then it was about the biggest combine you could buy, now they don't even build one that small! They paid for it doing a lot of custom work. The Claas machines still use a smaller diameter cylinder and concave than the Deere and other conventionals and they work great, so we know that idea works too. They had a grain pan and shoe that oscillated together instead of that auger bed the green and red machines have, which I think helps a lot... Instead of a jumbled mix of grain and chaff landing on the cleaning shoe, it's already stratified in layers coming off the grain pan onto the shoe... Heavier grain on bottom, lighter chaff on top. We used to run the chaffer foils wide open, the sieve foils closed down a little off full, and the air shutters (equivalent to fan speed on a green or red machines) wide open at full air. Worked like a champ.
In my experience, 95% of the quality of the job a combine does (split grain, header loss, cleaning shoe losses, dirty sample) is in how the operator adjusted the machine and how they ran it... SOMETHING is going to run out of capacity first, be it the engine, the cylinder or rotor, walkers or separator, or cleaning shoe... Ideally it's all well matched in the design, and the thresher (cylinder or rotor) hits full capacity first, with the separator and shoe still not maxed out. If the machine's separator or shoe maxes out first, you WILL get grain on the grain out the back on the ground if you run it "as fast as you possibly can" regardless. Speed kills when it comes to losses and crap going into the grain tank with the grain... It's a fine balancing act, getting the most productivity from the machine, while minimizing losses and keeping the grain as clean as possible going into the tank. In my experience, most newer machines have more than enough horsepower and plenty of throughput on the thresher rotor or cylinder, but the separators and cleaning shoe particularly should be bigger than they are... Today's yields are a lot higher (more material being threshed, separated, and cleaned) and today's machines are run a good bit faster (less time to do all that) than years ago, and that tends to increase losses and leads to dirtier grain and more damaged grain in the tank... Plus I know more than a few guys that just don't take time to check on losses and grain sample condition, and adjust the machine or ground speed to compensate... I once saw a load of soybeans come in that HALF the beans in the truck were split, from too high a cylinder speed, too little concave clearance, and probably running too fast and "ramming it through"... Modern machines with these high horsepower engines can handle it without groaning TOO much- in the old days we didn't have that much horsepower and you could tell more about how the machine was doing just by the sound of the engine and the engine coolant temp LOL because if you pushed her too hard she'd let you know pretty quick... But these new machines have power to spare (which is good, if you don't abuse it) and will grind everything to a pulp pretty much with no problems if you don't set it and operate it right. These new machines have "push button" adjustments in most cases as well, which is good in a way (keeps you cleaner during changeover between crops, makes making adjustments easier, even "on the go") BUT it also makes a lot of guys lazier... They don't take time to climb down out of the machine and actually CHECK and see what the machine is putting out the back... Particularly if it's got "loss monitors" like most all machines do now, which may or may not be accurate...
There's still no substitute for a GOOD operator.... Electronic gizmos or no gizmos...
Later! OL J R
The biggest reason Ihc had to sell right afterwards was they had spent a lot of $ those years on R&D the Axial flow r&d started early 70s and the back breaker was the powershift, when case bought them the poweshift was a huge selling point for them and the magnum was soon on the market, at least case kept them in the name
@@godisgreat7779 I read in an old Red Power about the development of the Axial Flow. They had several prototype 1460's they sent out to actual farms with a team of mechanics and engineers who had a direct phone number to the engineering department in Chicago at the old IH factory.
I 9wn and run a 1480 and live the old gal. I just can't buy the gentle threashing malarkey by the straw vs the 8820. Conventional straw is easy to bale but the rotary straw is chewed up so bad.
Love my 3588 keep thinking I need to sell it but I know I'll regret it
Case IH should reintroduce the 2+2 as a rubber track version for that mid-range 150-300 hp rowcrop tractors.
Awesome!
We chased the combine with a 3588
Yeah they're a great old tractor... my seed/chemical/fertilizer guy had two of the old "88's and he farmed a couple thousand acres with them!!! OL J R :)
Not good unloading with the machine running empty the JD didn’t look like the grain tank was full ! The 1480 is a great machine !
The reason they were unloading "empty" is that those are over half-mile long rows and there's several muck soil spots in the field-- don't want to go down into wet muck hole low spots with ANY extra weight on the combine... hard enough to keep the machine itself from sinking EMPTY let alone with any extra weight of grain on it... We do the same thing on several different farms that have particularly wet muck holes... sometimes dump two or three times per round, up on top of the ridges, before going down into the muck holes... Keep the weight off the machine is key... OL J R :)
Im a Deere guy but RED POWER
Those 2+2s look like fun to drive. I wish I had a chance to run one. By the way, cool username, haha.
+ih1206 Yeah, it's a pretty neat old tractor. My seed and fertilizer guy when I was row cropping had one of those, but I never got to drive it. This one belongs to my BIL's nephew. Having front duals (which technically you're not supposed to do) means you have to be really careful turning or the outside duals will scrub each other... Thanks! OL JR :)
ih1206 I have one it’s definitely extremely different being able to watch the hood turn back and forth instead of a traditional bender I’m from the eastern shore of Maryland if you’re around I’ll let you drive it haha
One of my Dad's friends back in the 80's had one of those 2+2's and mowed with it, saying he could turn on a dime with it.
We have a 1460, Don't i know you on instagram? You know, were all friends with uncle cruiser, because the equipment on this video look exactly like this guys equipment on his instagram. I'm not listing his name for private reasons.
Nope, I'm not on Instagram. Maybe someday :)
Later! OL J R :)
A 1480 is better than that green booger.
Meh, to each his own...
I prefer the conventionals myself, so I like the Deere. That 9600 is a sweet running machine... wish I had one myself...
OL J R :)
IH Axial Flow Combines are easier to reset for each crop and easier to maintain.
The good thing about the green one you get to do more fixing and more cobs in the corn