Like my mama always told me - “never make a man tell you twice he doesn’t want you”. When I started trusting and living by that advice it has saved me a lot of heart ache and preserved my self respect.
That is AWESOME ADVICE!!!! Also, women need to stop sleeping with these guys. We need to go back to the ole, *why buy the milk, when you can get the cow for free!* THAT, would save a TON LOAD of heart breaks and walks of shame!!!
+Carol Napolitano Walker left "Rhoda" twice to star in two different - in 1976 "The Nancy Walker Show" and then "Blansky's Beauties" (a spin-off from "Happy Days") the following year. Neither show caught on and cancelled relatively quickly.
Nancy Walker actually only left Rhoda for season 3. Strangely enough, The Nancy Walker Show and Blansky’s Beauties both aired and failed in the same season: 1976-77. Walker was back for season 4.
I'm so very grateful for these episodes. They come at a time when real shows were so real and wanted. They loved their work more than they loved the money unlike today where it's the reverse. Thanks again. You saved me.
I was once seeing a guy who got the idea (erroneously) that I wanted to marry him. He told me "I can't marry you." I told him "I don't want to marry you!" By the end of the night he was begging me to marry him. That's how some men are. Men don't like women who are needy or over anxious.
I have been married for 31yrs, soon, and what I discovered is that men don't have a vlue about our many insecurities and have no clue how to behave when we go a little nuts. Most are confident so they believe women have the same confidence. Don't assume you can tell your other half and he knows how to comfort you .
That's what Feminists wanted. They would be looking for this type who wasn't really a jerk, women wanted to be free so he treated them as such. I had an aunt (born in 1930?) who was a Feminist and never married/had no kids.
Mike: Mrs Morgenstern why don't we talk about this? Ida: Well, fine. Why don't you go home and call me. I'm not there now but keep trying. LOL and LOL.
One of my all-time favourite lines from television. I'm hoping to be able to use it at least once in real life before I die. Of course, it's harder now that we use cell phones!
I always wanted to see Rhoda end up with that Mr Magnetism guy. It would have made a great show to see her peel back the layers of his ego and find vulnerability, sensitivity, and loving respect for her. And she would have rediscovered the sense of humor that made her so likeable on the MTM show. I loved the Mystery Man episode just for that reason. Johnny Bravo could have been a Joey Tribianni fella, with a little more smarts.
Joey Tribianni was a cute 90's iteration of sexy Italian Americans characters from previous years. From the Rat Pack to Arthur Fonzerelli to all the Godfather and Goodfellas movies to Rocky Balboa... heck, even Joey from Blossom was like a proto- Joey Tribianni. A montage of all their catch phrases: "Eyyyy" ... "Yo"... "Whoah" ... "How YOU doin'?" 😎
Having originally watched these episodes during the '70s as a teenager, I didn't quite get it, but now, having dated extensively, it truly resonates with me. It seems most men, by the time they are in their 40s and 50s, have had a marriage or two go bad, and would rather open a vein than consider a serious monogamous relationship with someone new, and will only consider "friends with benefits" type arrangements, and most women in that age bracket have few other options, so they either (a) go along with a "casual" situation, or (b) just give up on dating entirely. The sad thing is that I'm roughly twenty years older than Rhoda was in these episodes, and it only gets worse as the years go on.
You get what you settle for in life. If you as a woman lower the bar, are willing to just sleep with men with no love, no commitment, no hope of a future -that's what they will give you. It's what they will be 'trained' to expect in marriage and they will not be able to cope with the self-sacrifice and hard work that comes from a committed relationship. So they will divorce again and again -chasing rainbows and ever-younger women. They will be totally unsuited to a committed monogamous relationship until they are so old they know they'd better 'find someone' or they'll be alone when they die. If a woman sets the bar high, insists that she wants a permanent commitment and that sex is out of the question outside of a committed relationship, she'll get that, because decent men want a challenge; they want to be a hero for an unattainable woman. If all they can find is women who date and have sex with them with no strings, then men will never rise above that level of grunting animal. Women decide what they'll settle for. Rhoda's generation threw away marriage, commitment, family, children, and the satisfaction of unconditional love in a permanent commitment in favor of 'dating' and casual sex, on and on and on through middle age, always imagining that if you just go to bed with a man, somehow he'll think you're wonderful and want a lifelong commitment with you. Instead, men got what they wanted and what her generation was willing to give: cheap sex. You get what you settle for; the value you put on yourself. I hope at least some of today's generation, looking at the generations of the '60s and '70s, see what a bankrupt, miserable existence was being pushed as 'freedom' and they recognize the lie and demand something better for themselves than what young people in the '60s and '70s embraced and lived. So many people of that generation that I see and know have nothing but regrets and confusion: regret that they never married; regret of the children they aborted or thought they would somehow magically have 'one day' and confusion as to how they did everything the culture said they should do, and ended up with a series of broken relationships and little more (though with women, also with economic hardship and even poverty usually thrown in). Rhoda got exactly what she settled for from Joe and this guy: sex, no commitment, and no love, because love is not conditional, and Joe and this guy have all kinds of conditions. They could have sex, but never make love, whereas Rhoda wanted love. And Ms Magazine and the like kept hammering home the message that wanting love, real, unconditional love, which means commitment FOR LIFE was neurotic, made women insecure and unequal to men, and was to be abandoned in favor of casual, unfulfilling sex, loneliness, economic poverty (married women are better off financially than single women) and emptiness, as well as guilt for not, somehow, getting with the program and being like Cosmopolitan keeps telling them they will be, if only they imitate the worst qualities in the worst men.
Figaro Hey! You're actually speaking my adoptive mother's philosophy who was born in 1914 and adopted me when she was forty-five. I was so out of step with most of my peers, growing up as they did with much younger parents in the 60s and 70s, during this so-called era of free-love and sexual liberation. Old-fashioned or not, I was raised with a great level of self-respect by parents who indeed made sure I set the bar and kept it high, in spite of the time period of my youth. My mom used to say that times may change but people really don't, and I found that she was right many, many times. I know I was rare because I was actually still a virgin when I got married at age twenty; that was almost unheard of back in those days. I'm glad I had the childhood I had, and was raised with the morals and values that are virtually unheard of now and were already becoming a memory back then when I was still very young.
Figaro Hey! I agree with everything you say except for placing the responsibility on women. This is nearly fifty years of culture that’s been rammed down their throats, and it’s worse than ever today. Pop cultural propaganda has destroyed several generations of lives now. What we need is a new counterculture that is more similar to the old establishment, complete with sitcoms and movies that showcase self-respecting women as role models rebelling against the raw deal the sexual revolution gave them. Girls growing up in a woman-hating culture of casual sex and abandonment can’t be expected to know their worth. We have to teach them what their parents sadly did not. Think if Rhoda could have seen into the empty years ahead and instead of apologizing for being “needy” could have told Joe and this jerk Mike where to get off, withOUT giving her intimacy or throwing any part of herself away on him. What a tower of strength she would have been for young women doubting their own hearts in the cold-blooded era of free sex and no love.
This is the opposite to my experience. Dating in my forties, all the men I met wanted to settle down, and I still wasn’t ready. I started dating a more relaxed man. Anyway, we’re married now, so things didn’t go according to plan.
@@faithfulforever6331 , back in the 70s, they taught us we were heading for an ice age. Global warming, the opposite side of the coin, and just as ridiculous, did not enter the scene until much later.
@@jeanmiller1142 they sure did. The planet always corrects itself, an it doesn't need our help. It will be rotating on its axis and orbiting the sun long after we're all out of the picture.
I enjoyed Valerie and Judd Hirsch together, I think they were more suitable than her and David Groh. To bad there wasn't a relationship that worked out for her. Ida was a real pain in the butt, always making her daughter's feel they had to answer for everything, even when there grown and out on there own.There father was so much more understanding of there feelings, and knew they were grown, and able to make there own choices.I so preferred him to Ida.
She trapped him into staying with her for the weekend like she trapped Joe to marry her. He wanted to leave her when they had to turn back to her place then she pleaded with him to stay with her. That is so unattractive.
Then you're old enough to know how differently people felt about things back in those days. Take off your 2022 glasses and put your 1972 glasses. If you can find them.
In the 1970 s I would have been on Rhoda’s side of the weekend tip, now I get Ida s point of view, I guess it happens with age, or maybe I would say older and wiser 😎👍
JUDD HIRSCH IN REACTION TO. HIS VOICE/MANNERISMS SO INGENIOUS WIYH HIS KNOWLEDGE YET HAS A CALMING WAY OF BEING STILL WHILE THOSE HE INTERACTS WITH-ARE FUMBLING OVER RIDICULES INCONSEQUENTIALTHINGS 25:06
Yes, Judd was a smooth operator and I personally would have dumped his ass not because he was Jewish but of the way he expects a woman to let him have his "damn way!"
Mike is that Jewish guy that tries to tone down his "Jewishness", by acting less uptight or typical, that ends up still being that insecure guy that can be annoying.
Immature man. I still say Sam Ellis, Brenda's boss at the bank, was a really good fit for Rhoda. He was attractive, mature, edgy, and funny, and kind, and patient. Too bad he was only a one-and-done.
I felt Hirsch just wanted things his way all the time so I would have to agree with Rhoda about getting to know someone and taking time to know someone without jumping into the fire.
I know, you left the comment yrs ago, but I'm just watching this. Anyway, are you kidding me (I am being sarcastic, in a way). The writers, many of them were addressing the issue of feminism, being free of men and so on. Women who are the daughters of these feminists want nothing to do with these men-haters. They had to get rid of Joe from the beginning (when he agreed to marry Rhoda - because she didn't feel right just living with him) and women wanted to see working women not needing men (at least Rhoda, since the writers found Brenda a mate). These feminists would have prevented the birth of future generations!
@@marinazagrai1623 It's stupid and sad, huh? We were not created to be alone. Men need women just as much as women need men. Nothing weak about that. Just IS!
There have been numerous reasons given. Some were that they simply didn’t know how to write for a married Rhoda, some were (though they have always been unfounded) that the actor that played Joe was hard to deal with behind the scenes, etc. A lot of people said that the show suffered when Rhoda became single again. One of the reasons why the producers said they cancelled the show was because they were focusing too much on the Brenda character. Valerie Harper said that she didn’t mind and they said that the show was called “Rhoda,” not “Brenda.”
Marina Zagrai Feminists basically wanted one thing: equal rights/privileges. Maybe they had a variety of theories about how to achieve equality, but the bottom line is that they wanted to be regarded as people in their own right and not have the world filtered through a man. Fun fact: At the time of this airing, men could not be charged with rape if they forced their spouse to have sex, and women were making 60 cents on the dollar for equal work. Those were the issues feminists were concerned about, not proving something superficial.
I wish they would have stopped putting her with men that treat her like crap. First Joe, who I couldn't stand the way he treated her, now this Mike guy. She deserved better.
I totally agree. Years ago, I met Charlotte Brown, one of the writers for this series, and she said that the big mistake the producers made with Rhoda is that they married her off too soon in the series and they didn't know what else to do with her. That is why in the third season, they concocted a separation between her and Joe. IMO, they should have had her get pregnant. But for some reason, the producers thought that Rhoda was funnier when she was not attached. It was a classic case of creating drama because you're bored.
you would feel comfortable with someone who is totally insecure and neurotic??? On the other hand, the men are self centered an unable to make commitments. I guess that's the way so many are!!!!
garfieldisgod I've been married for 32 years now. But I would love to introduce you to some women I know who move from one boyfriend to another because they get "bored" after two years. Maybe you need to stop watching so much Lifetime and look at the world as it really is. Many women are just as shallow as many men.
Love Rhonda’s outfit. The black dress with the flowers is very chic. The free spirit nature of Rhoda was in contrast to Mary’s girl next door personality. That component was lacking In this show. They tried to make up for it with Brenda. It wasn’t the same.
I still can’t believe James L Brooks and Allan Burns two of the greatest writers/producers in television history couldn’t come up with any good storylines for a married couple.Forty years later and I still think they killed the golden goose aka jumped the shark. Unless Ms Harper forced her hand I still don’t buy it including Joe’s character’s flimflam excuse. With the nucleus of Kavner,Walker,and Gould (I know they left at various times) they could have figured something out. I can’t stand Everybody Loves Raymond but at least they were smart enough to keep the storyline.Another comparison is the original Rosanne, they booted John Goodman and whammo it’s downhill. I’m for trying something different but when it’s successful don’t mess with it. One more example Kevin Can’t Wait (so on & so on...)
...Man, Judd Hirsch & Nancy Walker had more chemistry than "Rhoda"'s ENTIRE 4th Season! (12:13)....'Mike' would've drove Ida MAD!! (11:27)...too bad Judd got "Taxi", and had to written out...BUT, that Show is a Classic, so, lemons, Lemonade....
They felt the story was stagnating, that the thing with Rhoda was her struggles to get a guy, whereas her being married wasn't, I don't know, "thrilling, enjoyable" enough! So the divorced them. What I find stupid is the reason they gave for the break-up, which I think was no reason at all!
Eroftei Horea Tilicea people would have liked Joe and Rhoda still married and having a child. Rhoda was an interesting working married woman..... we loved her they should have kept them together.
It's the year 2023 sadly It's only gotten worst for women who want a loving committed relationship that Leads to marriage . In my mid 60"s & men my age only want sex w/o strings. So I'm living my life alone. It's sad. I do enjoy watching Rhoda.
Cheer up, Deborah-it gets worse! I'm a 78 year old widow living in a grim nursing home. You should see my 4 choices 😱. I miss my smart, handsome, witty husband & I'm not ready to fade away quite yet but I'm losing hope fast. That's why I'm watching all the re-runs of these old comedies I guess-helps with the lonliness. I like the old British comedies like Keeping Up Appearances too. 🙋Good luck to you from 🇨🇦!
Judd Hirsch would have been a perfect Joe. He fit a lot better than Joe. The Joe character played by David Groh was too stiff & right off the bat you could see he didn’t want to be married. Hirsch’s wisecracks & quick wit really fit the show!
It makes no sense that Ida is trying to protect Rhoda's long-gone innocence. She was married, and had many boyfriends before Joe. It takes overprotectiveness to a whole new level. This episode is unusually uncomfortable, and hard to watch. Very stereotypical views of male vs. female sexuality. Unfortunate for a usually well made show.
@14:30 Rhoda and her date go inside the apartment and leaves the keys in the door @15:38 her date leaves to go to the store and the keys are not in the door
Love that black/flowered dress, that's just what I would pick out, the 70's had some nice things to wear. They wouldn't even have that conversation today about spending the weekend with a man. They give him a Italian name because of his snoz,. I notice a lot of Jews play Italians, they look a lot alike. My brother always would call me Rhoda, back in the day, sometimes I would wear a scarf on my head like she did, that can still be worn today too.
Situation comedies have been used as a tool for social conditioning. This conditions men to shun and reject women with strength, talent, personality, and independence.
***** Glad to hear that you agree with me. I said that because in almost every episode of the series before Rhoda left, every man preferred Mary to Rhoda. And I used to always wonder why they did when Rhoda seemed less unencumbered and more carefree (as well as more attractive).
Dennis Nayland Smith I'm not a guy, but I agree with you. They really had to drab down Valerie Harper for her to play Mary's not-so-hot friend. I really enjoyed watching Rhoda become better and better looking. Not dumping on MTM, but Valerie's natural assets - bone structure, eyes, hair - are just better.
I'm no man, but Valerie Harper was absolutely gorgeous when she was on MTM and Rhoda. And she's been fighting cancer for five years and is still lovely.
Rhoda is better than this. I wish they had given her someone who was crazy about her before the show ended. Would have been a nice way to end the show, with Rhoda, Brenda and even Mary married with Ida beaming all over the place.
I have read many negative comments about Joe's character. I have seen a tenderness and kindness about him with Rhoda. Whenever they would argue, he usually was the one to acquiesce first to Rhoda. He was very understanding about her family, too. If the top brass of the network wanted to shake up things a bit, they could have had the couple just separate, have an unexpected pregnancy, or some reversal of the status quo. They did not have to break up the couple... Women's lib did not necessarily mean you have to have get a divorce. Shows do not have to reflect the trends, but also show something for the audience to improve and aspire to. Just my humble opinion.
Like my mama always told me - “never make a man tell you twice he doesn’t want you”. When I started trusting and living by that advice it has saved me a lot of heart ache and preserved my self respect.
Never. Ever beg. Let them go!!
They aren’t good enough for your love!
That is AWESOME ADVICE!!!!
Also, women need to stop sleeping with these guys. We need to go back to the ole, *why buy the milk, when you can get the cow for free!*
THAT, would save a TON LOAD of heart breaks and walks of shame!!!
@@mich4345Exactly. Stop giving everything away without receiving any benefits or little benefits.
@@susanmonty791Bingo! Stop begging and pleading with bums. And some bums with money.
I just realized that so many of my clothes choices as a teenager were based on what Rhoda and Mary wore. I loved the fashions then and still do!
Same here. I recall wearing many of the exact same outfits, peasant blouses, full skirts and boots and bohemian look jewelry.
@@g-girl9867 yes! So many things from that time still hold up
Mary looked good in everything. I got white bell bottoms and those scarves-only Rhoda could wear them just right.
Great style that can still be worn today.
Brenda looks so great.
I agree, always had a crush on her and could relate as a younger sibling myself
Nancy Walker was The Best! Loved her!
+Jan Holder The quicker picker upper, I remember that commercial. Why did she leave the show for a while?
+Carol Napolitano Walker left "Rhoda" twice to star in two different - in 1976 "The Nancy Walker Show" and then "Blansky's Beauties" (a spin-off from "Happy Days") the following year. Neither show caught on and cancelled relatively quickly.
The same here. Did you know Nancy Walker was acting since the 40s? She did musicals in one of those old movies so she's been around for some time.
Nancy Walker actually only left Rhoda for season 3. Strangely enough, The Nancy Walker Show and Blansky’s Beauties both aired and failed in the same season: 1976-77. Walker was back for season 4.
I'm so very grateful for these episodes. They come at a time when real shows were so real and wanted. They loved their work more than they loved the money unlike today where it's the reverse. Thanks again. You saved me.
I was once seeing a guy who got the idea (erroneously) that I wanted to marry him. He told me "I can't marry you." I told him "I don't want to marry you!" By the end of the night he was begging me to marry him. That's how some men are. Men don't like women who are needy or over anxious.
They definitely love the thrill of the case Let them chase you til you catch them
I have been married for 31yrs, soon, and what I discovered is that men don't have a vlue about our many insecurities and have no clue how to behave when we go a little nuts. Most are confident so they believe women have the same confidence. Don't assume you can tell your other half and he knows how to comfort you .
Bullet..............dodged.
I'm in love with Rhoda's gown!!
I wanted one of them to wind up with Gary. He was cute and nice but strong too.
Gary was a clueless jerk. Rhoda and Brenda were so far above him.
Nancy walker was hilarious!
Rhoda looks great here, she looks trim n fit. Love watching these...great memories growing up
Love it too. I time travel back and it comforts me a lot.❤
@@lorraineb.4698Agreed. I am so happy I can watch online.
Why does she keep attracting these non committal jerks? She deserves so much better!
I would answer the "why question"but I don't know "why" I always did the same thing.
Because she’s a feminist who complains about everything
That's what Feminists wanted. They would be looking for this type who wasn't really a jerk, women wanted to be free so he treated them as such. I had an aunt (born in 1930?) who was a Feminist and never married/had no kids.
I think she needed to be with a man who was funny and had a sense of humor and a little quirky.
One of the funniest episodes. Nancy Walker's timing-perfection!
Don't like her!
creative series 🍸
love her under-4' 9" NY sassiness
I loved this show as a teenager. I loved The Mary Tyler Moore show too!
Me too. Most of today's shows can't touch the older programs.
Mike is Ida's match, she don't scare him at all😂😂
Mike: Mrs Morgenstern why don't we talk about this?
Ida: Well, fine. Why don't you go home and call me. I'm not there now but keep trying.
LOL and LOL.
One of my all-time favourite lines from television. I'm hoping to be able to use it at least once in real life before I die. Of course, it's harder now that we use cell phones!
Ida has met her match in Mike.
Rhoda was probably pushing 40 years old here. Ida is treating her like a child. Creepy.
''I have two opinions that say you're wrong. Mine and His.'' LOVE IT!!!! GO IDA!!
I’ve missed this show so much.
Never understood why Brenda never had a sofa. And she had a bed smaller than a twin.
It was a teeny tiny bed for when "mAh" slept over.❤️
@@svamberiv7999 😂🤣😂
@@svamberiv7999 😆😆
The mother is a pain
Small bed and the nose sofa emphasises the tragic life of single women you want Spinsters back then
I always wanted to see Rhoda end up with that Mr Magnetism guy. It would have made a great show to see her peel back the layers of his ego and find vulnerability, sensitivity, and loving respect for her. And she would have rediscovered the sense of humor that made her so likeable on the MTM show. I loved the Mystery Man episode just for that reason. Johnny Bravo could have been a Joey Tribianni fella, with a little more smarts.
I never thought of that, but I think it's a great idea! 👍
I don't know if I could stand my flesh crawling.
she had a great show idiot
Joey Tribianni was a cute 90's iteration of sexy Italian Americans characters from previous years. From the Rat Pack to Arthur Fonzerelli to all the Godfather and Goodfellas movies to Rocky Balboa... heck, even Joey from Blossom was like a proto- Joey Tribianni.
A montage of all their catch phrases: "Eyyyy" ... "Yo"... "Whoah" ... "How YOU doin'?" 😎
His name was Johnny Venture
It was a good show 🙂😊🙂❤️
Having originally watched these episodes during the '70s as a teenager, I
didn't quite get it, but now, having dated extensively, it truly
resonates with me. It seems most men, by the time they are in their 40s
and 50s, have had a marriage or two go bad, and would rather open a
vein than consider a serious monogamous relationship with someone new,
and will only consider "friends with benefits" type arrangements, and
most women in that age bracket have few other options, so they either
(a) go along with a "casual" situation, or (b) just give up on dating
entirely. The sad thing is that I'm roughly twenty years older than
Rhoda was in these episodes, and it only gets worse as the years go on.
Preach. This is so true.
You get what you settle for in life. If you as a woman lower the bar, are willing to just sleep with men with no love, no commitment, no hope of a future -that's what they will give you. It's what they will be 'trained' to expect in marriage and they will not be able to cope with the self-sacrifice and hard work that comes from a committed relationship. So they will divorce again and again -chasing rainbows and ever-younger women. They will be totally unsuited to a committed monogamous relationship until they are so old they know they'd better 'find someone' or they'll be alone when they die.
If a woman sets the bar high, insists that she wants a permanent commitment and that sex is out of the question outside of a committed relationship, she'll get that, because decent men want a challenge; they want to be a hero for an unattainable woman. If all they can find is women who date and have sex with them with no strings, then men will never rise above that level of grunting animal.
Women decide what they'll settle for. Rhoda's generation threw away marriage, commitment, family, children, and the satisfaction of unconditional love in a permanent commitment in favor of 'dating' and casual sex, on and on and on through middle age, always imagining that if you just go to bed with a man, somehow he'll think you're wonderful and want a lifelong commitment with you. Instead, men got what they wanted and what her generation was willing to give: cheap sex.
You get what you settle for; the value you put on yourself. I hope at least some of today's generation, looking at the generations of the '60s and '70s, see what a bankrupt, miserable existence was being pushed as 'freedom' and they recognize the lie and demand something better for themselves than what young people in the '60s and '70s embraced and lived. So many people of that generation that I see and know have nothing but regrets and confusion: regret that they never married; regret of the children they aborted or thought they would somehow magically have 'one day' and confusion as to how they did everything the culture said they should do, and ended up with a series of broken relationships and little more (though with women, also with economic hardship and even poverty usually thrown in).
Rhoda got exactly what she settled for from Joe and this guy: sex, no commitment, and no love, because love is not conditional, and Joe and this guy have all kinds of conditions. They could have sex, but never make love, whereas Rhoda wanted love. And Ms Magazine and the like kept hammering home the message that wanting love, real, unconditional love, which means commitment FOR LIFE was neurotic, made women insecure and unequal to men, and was to be abandoned in favor of casual, unfulfilling sex, loneliness, economic poverty (married women are better off financially than single women) and emptiness, as well as guilt for not, somehow, getting with the program and being like Cosmopolitan keeps telling them they will be, if only they imitate the worst qualities in the worst men.
Figaro Hey! You're actually speaking my adoptive mother's philosophy who was born in 1914 and adopted me when she was forty-five. I was so out of step with most of my peers, growing up as they did with much younger parents in the 60s and 70s, during this so-called era of free-love and sexual liberation. Old-fashioned or not, I was raised with a great level of self-respect by parents who indeed made sure I set the bar and kept it high, in spite of the time period of my youth. My mom used to say that times may change but people really don't, and I found that she was right many, many times. I know I was rare because I was actually still a virgin when I got married at age twenty; that was almost unheard of back in those days. I'm glad I had the childhood I had, and was raised with the morals and values that are virtually unheard of now and were already becoming a memory back then when I was still very young.
Figaro Hey! I agree with everything you say except for placing the responsibility on women. This is nearly fifty years of culture that’s been rammed down their throats, and it’s worse than ever today. Pop cultural propaganda has destroyed several generations of lives now. What we need is a new counterculture that is more similar to the old establishment, complete with sitcoms and movies that showcase self-respecting women as role models rebelling against the raw deal the sexual revolution gave them. Girls growing up in a woman-hating culture of casual sex and abandonment can’t be expected to know their worth. We have to teach them what their parents sadly did not. Think if Rhoda could have seen into the empty years ahead and instead of apologizing for being “needy” could have told Joe and this jerk Mike where to get off, withOUT giving her intimacy or throwing any part of herself away on him. What a tower of strength she would have been for young women doubting their own hearts in the cold-blooded era of free sex and no love.
This is the opposite to my experience. Dating in my forties, all the men I met wanted to settle down, and I still wasn’t ready. I started dating a more relaxed man. Anyway, we’re married now, so things didn’t go according to plan.
I never liked Benny. I thought Gary was way more interesting. Brenda should have ended up with him.
Loved Gary
Benny is predictable, honest and hard working. Gary is fun and exciting. Gary may be a great boyfriend but Benny would make a good husband.
I love Benny think he's hysterical and handsome
@patrick m ok
Ok
And the gun turns on my direction. Lol.
This is called the thrill of the chase. Then its done. No more.
It rains a lot in these episodes.
It rained more on average in the 70s. The climate was more temperate and global warming had not yet gotten bad.
@@faithfulforever6331 , back in the 70s, they taught us we were heading for an ice age. Global warming, the opposite side of the coin, and just as ridiculous, did not enter the scene until much later.
@@davidmusicmaker contrived all of it
@@jeanmiller1142 they sure did. The planet always corrects itself, an it doesn't need our help. It will be rotating on its axis and orbiting the sun long after we're all out of the picture.
I really really love this show a lot whole whole lot
Do you have that phrase on a stamp? We know that you love, love, LOVE this show
I enjoyed Valerie and Judd Hirsch together, I think they were more suitable than her and David Groh. To bad there wasn't a relationship that worked out for her. Ida was a real pain in the butt, always making her daughter's feel they had to answer for everything, even when there grown and out on there own.There father was so much more understanding of there feelings, and knew they were grown, and able to make there own choices.I so preferred him to Ida.
Daughters who had a mother like that would have seen therapists, weekly.
@@Gobi512 Ida was a pain in the ass!
@@Gobi512 You are so right!!!!
@@Gobi512real talk. Every Tuesday and Thursday. 😂
This guy goes to bed with Rhoda, and then he doesn't call her for a week, and she STILL wants him around? He makes Joe look like St. Francis.
She chased them both and didn't learn. This one is worse than Joe
I love this show. Looking back I never realized how much Rhoda clapped her hands and slapped her thighs. 🤣
She trapped him into staying with her for the weekend like she trapped Joe to marry her. He wanted to leave her when they had to turn back to her place then she pleaded with him to stay with her. That is so unattractive.
My goodness, being a 59 old woman now myself, I think Ida was unreasonable. Rhoda has been married and is in her 30s and Brenda is in her 20s. Geesh.
Right!!!!
Then you're old enough to know how differently people felt about things back in those days. Take off your 2022 glasses and put your 1972 glasses. If you can find them.
Ida wanted her daughters to be respected, especially by men.
In the 1970 s I would have been on Rhoda’s side of the weekend tip, now I get Ida s point of view, I guess it happens with age, or maybe I would say older and wiser 😎👍
She's doing it all over again with this new boyfriend just like Joe.
Brenda looks absolutely gorgeous in that dress. Rhonda is getting upset and Ida looks up to Brenda what are you wearing?
I still like Joe and Rhoda the best as a couple.
Judd Hirsch.
Thanks for uploading 😊
Mike: A workaholic.
His talking sounds like Joe.
"Rhoda made me." Thats such a younger sibling thing to say!!!
Too funny
few American shows are good; this one feels creative plus its characters're brimming 🍸
Brenda was looking so bang tidy here! 👌👌😘😘
She lost a ton of weight since season 1! yikes. She is skinnier than Rhoda.
JUDD HIRSCH IN REACTION TO. HIS VOICE/MANNERISMS SO INGENIOUS WIYH HIS KNOWLEDGE YET HAS A CALMING WAY OF BEING STILL WHILE THOSE HE INTERACTS WITH-ARE FUMBLING OVER RIDICULES INCONSEQUENTIALTHINGS 25:06
This episode was where I first heard the word "libido". I was about 11 when it aired.
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Judd is a smooth operator in a non-confrontational Jewish sort of way.
😂
Jewish sort of way? Wtf does that mean?
Yes, Judd was a smooth operator and I personally would have dumped his ass not because he was Jewish but of the way he expects a woman to let him have his "damn way!"
What an incredible left-handed compliment.
Mike is that Jewish guy that tries to tone down his "Jewishness", by acting less uptight or typical, that ends up still being that insecure guy that can be annoying.
Immature man. I still say Sam Ellis, Brenda's boss at the bank, was a really good fit for Rhoda. He was attractive, mature, edgy, and funny, and kind, and patient. Too bad he was only a one-and-done.
Sam. Yes ❤
I agree totally
I love Judd Hirsh.
This is very un Judd Hirsh, this guy is another jerk.
Goodbye to the worst...she should have dumped him from the beginning.
I felt Hirsch just wanted things his way all the time so I would have to agree with Rhoda about getting to know someone and taking time to know someone without jumping into the fire.
I really dont understand why ppl keep saying they should have married instead of Rhoda and Joe. This guy is even more of walking red flag, clearly
That dress is everything
i always missed Joe! never could understand why they got rid of him?
I know, you left the comment yrs ago, but I'm just watching this. Anyway, are you kidding me (I am being sarcastic, in a way). The writers, many of them were addressing the issue of feminism, being free of men and so on. Women who are the daughters of these feminists want nothing to do with these men-haters. They had to get rid of Joe from the beginning (when he agreed to marry Rhoda - because she didn't feel right just living with him) and women wanted to see working women not needing men (at least Rhoda, since the writers found Brenda a mate). These feminists would have prevented the birth of future generations!
@@marinazagrai1623 It's stupid and sad, huh? We were not created to be alone. Men need women just as much as women need men. Nothing weak about that. Just IS!
There have been numerous reasons given. Some were that they simply didn’t know how to write for a married Rhoda, some were (though they have always been unfounded) that the actor that played Joe was hard to deal with behind the scenes, etc. A lot of people said that the show suffered when Rhoda became single again. One of the reasons why the producers said they cancelled the show was because they were focusing too much on the Brenda character. Valerie Harper said that she didn’t mind and they said that the show was called “Rhoda,” not “Brenda.”
Marina Zagrai Feminists basically wanted one thing: equal rights/privileges. Maybe they had a variety of theories about how to achieve equality, but the bottom line is that they wanted to be regarded as people in their own right and not have the world filtered through a man. Fun fact: At the time of this airing, men could not be charged with rape if they forced their spouse to have sex, and women were making 60 cents on the dollar for equal work. Those were the issues feminists were concerned about, not proving something superficial.
@@mellamell7441 You’re the first commenter in touch with reality on this thread.
I wish they would have stopped putting her with men that treat her like crap. First Joe, who I couldn't stand the way he treated her, now this Mike guy. She deserved better.
17:57
Is that the sweater Sally got that she didn’t like when she got it home?
She's got herself another Joe 🤨
Why do so many men reject Rhoda when she is such a gorgeous and lovely woman. Zero chemistry betw her and Judd Hirsch, David Groh far better.
I totally agree. Years ago, I met Charlotte Brown, one of the writers for this series, and she said that the big mistake the producers made with Rhoda is that they married her off too soon in the series and they didn't know what else to do with her. That is why in the third season, they concocted a separation between her and Joe. IMO, they should have had her get pregnant. But for some reason, the producers thought that Rhoda was funnier when she was not attached. It was a classic case of creating drama because you're bored.
you would feel comfortable with someone who is totally insecure and neurotic??? On the other hand, the men are self centered an unable to make commitments. I guess that's the way so many are!!!!
garfieldisgod I've been married for 32 years now. But I would love to introduce you to some women I know who move from one boyfriend to another because they get "bored" after two years. Maybe you need to stop watching so much Lifetime and look at the world as it really is. Many women are just as shallow as many men.
Dennis Nayland Smith I agree. Shallowness is not gender specific at all.
Dennis Nayland Smith I agree. Shallowness is not gender specific at all.
Love Rhonda’s outfit. The black dress with the flowers is very chic. The free spirit nature of Rhoda was in contrast to Mary’s girl next door personality. That component was lacking In this show. They tried to make up for it with Brenda. It wasn’t the same.
I still can’t believe James L Brooks and Allan Burns two of the greatest writers/producers in television history couldn’t come up with any good storylines for a married couple.Forty years later and I still think they killed the golden goose aka jumped the shark. Unless Ms Harper forced her hand I still don’t buy it including Joe’s character’s flimflam excuse. With the nucleus of Kavner,Walker,and Gould (I know they left at various times) they could have figured something out.
I can’t stand Everybody Loves Raymond but at least they were smart enough to keep the storyline.Another comparison is the original Rosanne, they booted John Goodman and whammo it’s downhill. I’m for trying something different but when it’s successful don’t mess with it. One more example Kevin Can’t Wait (so on & so on...)
And you had two of the greatest second bananas in show business history with Vivian Vance and David white
And what the producers didn't know Rhoda and Joe were brilliant Astrological wise
They certainly could have got good storylines keeping Joe.
I know Valerie Harper was too good to lose. They could have done better for her.
My husband has an ombre sweater like the one Mike is wearing, except in blues.
Oh my ! I knit a sweater like this in blues lol
...Man, Judd Hirsch & Nancy Walker had more chemistry than "Rhoda"'s ENTIRE 4th Season! (12:13)....'Mike' would've drove Ida MAD!! (11:27)...too bad Judd got "Taxi", and had to written out...BUT, that Show is a Classic, so, lemons, Lemonade....
Though it's not my style, Rhoda looks so pretty and trim in that black and floral dress. I'd look like a mule in horse harness in it.
Melanie I bet you would look amazing
Thanks for making me smile
That was complicated - Mike and Rhoda
They felt the story was stagnating, that the thing with Rhoda was her struggles to get a guy, whereas her being married wasn't, I don't know, "thrilling, enjoyable" enough! So the divorced them. What I find stupid is the reason they gave for the break-up, which I think was no reason at all!
Eroftei Horea Tilicea people would have liked Joe and Rhoda still married and having a child. Rhoda was an interesting working married woman..... we loved her they should have kept them together.
I wouldn't tolerate that nonsense that her mother gives out. So unrealistic.
no sex before marriage
realistic is wut america likes to avoid! but yet they cry the biggest tears wen trouble comes
Rhoda was over 30 and divorced.
Totally agree. Bye ma 😒 Slam!!
@@highlightedreply8838 Or... go fuck yourself!
Love her wardrobe!
It's the year 2023 sadly It's only gotten worst for women who want a loving committed relationship that
Leads to marriage .
In my mid 60"s & men my age only want sex w/o strings.
So I'm living my life alone.
It's sad. I do enjoy watching Rhoda.
Cheer up, Deborah-it gets worse! I'm a 78 year old widow living in a grim nursing home. You should see my 4 choices 😱. I miss my smart, handsome, witty husband & I'm not ready to fade away quite yet but I'm losing hope fast. That's why I'm watching all the re-runs of these old comedies I guess-helps with the lonliness. I like the old British comedies like Keeping Up Appearances too. 🙋Good luck to you from 🇨🇦!
@@Claudia-up6hr CLAUDIA
WISHING YOU BETTER DAYS AHEAD.
THANK YOU.
DEB
Thanks
Erik, There wasn’t anyone like Rhoda 😄
Judd Hirsch would have been a perfect Joe. He fit a lot better than Joe. The Joe character played by David Groh was too stiff & right off the bat you could see he didn’t want to be married. Hirsch’s wisecracks & quick wit really fit the show!
Exactly
Yes i think it could have worked. Almost like a Lucy and Desi if they tweaked things a bit.
perfectly said!
Joe, although a hunk, was basically too selfish for the show. You have to be team player.
I always like Benny Goodman who played Brenda boyfriend. They were working on getting married.
That sweater she gave him to wear was the same one that Sally bought on their shopping spree
yes
12:55 Benny almost calls Brenda "Rhoda".
They loved the word terrific.
Like Rhoda's gown
Brenda looks great. She is the voice of Marge Simpson.
She's beautiful.
I've never understood why Brenda has a bedroom, but another bed in her main room.
This mike character is too neurotic and negative...
They make a good couple chemistry wise.
Is that a rollerskate pendant Brenda is wearing with the black maxi?
I forgot how funny and well acted this show was. The character of Ida was the glue!
Rhonda always skied in Mary. Why is she suddenly not able to ski?
12:40 😂 I can totally relate to Brenda.
It looks like Rhoda is attracted to guys who are not looking for a long time attachment :(
Where is that cat poster from???
It makes no sense that Ida is trying to protect Rhoda's long-gone innocence. She was married, and had many boyfriends before Joe. It takes overprotectiveness to a whole new level. This episode is unusually uncomfortable, and hard to watch. Very stereotypical views of male vs. female sexuality. Unfortunate for a usually well made show.
Well said.
@14:30 Rhoda and her date go inside the apartment and leaves the keys in the door
@15:38 her date leaves to go to the store and the keys are not in the door
what episode does Rhoda get divorce from her husband?
Love that black/flowered dress, that's just what I would pick out, the 70's had some nice things to wear. They wouldn't even have that conversation today about spending the weekend with a man. They give him a Italian name because of his snoz,. I notice a lot of Jews play Italians, they look a lot alike. My brother always would call me Rhoda, back in the day, sometimes I would wear a scarf on my head like she did, that can still be worn today too.
Situation comedies have been used as a tool for social conditioning. This conditions men to shun and reject women with strength, talent, personality, and independence.
I'm china, you're a paper plate. I had a couple others. He's WD-40, she's duct tape. He's a pencil, she's a pen.
Je's a jetk, she's a great woman.
Judd Hirsh, before Taxi?
I believe so.
who played mike????
Why didn't Ida just slap chastity belts on Rhoda and Brenda, her fully grown, mature daughters, and be on her way.
Rhoda needs to know her value, find her voice, set some boundaries, grieve the loss of her husband, be good to herself, and move on with her life.
Benny looks like a poor man’s young Paul McCartney.
Valerie Harper was SOOO sexy! Even when she was on the MTM Show, I was probably one of the few guys that actually preferred Rhoda to Mary.
***** Glad to hear that you agree with me. I said that because in almost every episode of the series before Rhoda left, every man preferred Mary to Rhoda. And I used to always wonder why they did when Rhoda seemed less unencumbered and more carefree (as well as more attractive).
Dennis Nayland Smith I'm not a guy, but I agree with you. They really had to drab down Valerie Harper for her to play Mary's not-so-hot friend. I really enjoyed watching Rhoda become better and better looking. Not dumping on MTM, but Valerie's natural assets - bone structure, eyes, hair - are just better.
Hell, Yeah. Valerie Harper was hot. Watching this episode, I just realized how much she looks alot like my EX girlfriend. Damn!
I'm no man, but Valerie Harper was absolutely gorgeous when she was on MTM and Rhoda. And she's been fighting cancer for five years and is still lovely.
Mary had a large mouth and a lot of teeth. Valerie was much prettier.
Absolutely love Ida!
Ida was always butting in!!!!!
The reason for their break up is ridiculous..
Rhoda is better than this. I wish they had given her someone who was crazy about her before the show ended. Would have been a nice way to end the show, with Rhoda, Brenda and even Mary married with Ida beaming all over the place.
I wanted to see her back with Joe
I have read many negative comments about Joe's character.
I have seen a tenderness and kindness about him with Rhoda. Whenever they would argue, he usually was the one to acquiesce first to Rhoda. He was very understanding about her family, too.
If the top brass of the network wanted to shake up things a bit, they could have had the couple just separate, have an unexpected pregnancy, or some reversal of the status quo. They did not have to break up the couple...
Women's lib did not necessarily mean you have to have get a divorce. Shows do not have to reflect the trends, but also show something for the audience to improve and aspire to. Just my humble opinion.
@@calliopibertos4020And in the end he did not want to buy a house with her.
These 2 make an attractive couple.
One would think that even Ida should get the hint when she should she keep some distance and mind her own business, but I guess she does not:-).
hence the results of what america is today! ......#keepida
Was this a Taxi crossover?
Taxi had not been created yet.
No not at all. This came a few years before.