The ring muscle up relies more on pure STRENGTH (force production) and getting comfortable with the flase grip. However the exercise occurs on a very flat plane as the pull is a simple vertical ascend. The bar version is much more dependant on EXPLOSIVENESS (rate of force production) and the movement takes place outside the frontal plane as you need to come up in a parabolic (C-shape) fashion, which for many people might comes as odd and unnatural. I hope this helps understand that there's nothing wrong with you if you could only do the ring version, but not the bar one. Training one variant will have little to no carry over to the other. Specificity of training is key here. Focus on the version you want to get better at :) Keep it up, Fitness FAQs family
I'm 47. Want to get back to what I could do in high school. I could do the ring muscle up (thanks gymnastics!) But I will work on getting it back. Thanks for the motivation! Also dealing with an injury due to too much weight on a decline bench narrow grip... Dips are painful at moment. 😞 But with Jesus! ....😇😎😀
Great video. At the time of making this comment we have a nationwide lockdown in South Africa. I usually do conventional weight training, but the lockdown has forced me to train in my garage gym with less equipment. After watching your video I am convinced that I have done myself a disservice by training without rings for so long. Now I am convinced that I can replace many of my usual exercises with ones done on rings!
Im able to do band assisted ring muscle ups depending on the band but cant yet do one bar muscle up. You mentioned some things that might assist me eventually getting there. I will be mindful of them as i train. Thanks for posting this footage.
Thanks for the great tips! Love your content I have recently started the journey to my first muscle up. And I have made great strides thanks to your videos. Keep it up!
Im 6.2 ft tall and weigh 205 lbs but i have like around 20%bf, i can do 15 pull ups, to get past 12 pull ups the thing that helped a lot is hanging, forearm endurance matters the most in pull ups mark my words
Amen, man. And it is overlooked despite being logical, for some reason. You can't expect to do a buncha pull ups if you don't dead hang for at least over 2 minutes.
congratulation Im 61 and I can do 14 pull ups but muscle up is different cup off coffee .... I tried today and failed miserably :) that tip with hanging makes sense
can you do a wrist injury recover video sprained both my wrists at work slipping on black ice so now i cant do no upper body calisthenics for awhile means leg day every day lmao
Exactly the opposite here lol. In the bar I'm very comfortable with muscle ups, when I try on rings I can barely get one, I struggle in the transition point.
Yessir. I just set the bar to like 20 inches and jump in a explosive manner and i sort of mimic the muscle up as my legs do yhe momentum thing if that makes sense.
@FitnessFAQs Thanks for the video Daniel! In the end of the video you did pull-ups with a resistance band which I remember you didn't recommend to use it for pull-ups since it's taking off most of the load in the initial movement of the pull up.
Hehe, and then there is Saibov who can pull straight up and instead of getting stuck at the transition he uses the iron wrist style and still goes up cleanly. Or with rings those who flare them out so much that they do an iron cross during the transition. But of course it takes a lot of dedication to reach those levels and normally muscle ups would be impossible done that way.
Good morning Daniel 😊 I'm a massive fan of your work, I have been a subscriber to your channel for around a year (think I have seen ALL your video's). Could you please answer me a quick question... I train on the rings quite regular, but the false grip is chewing up the skin on my wrists 🙄 Do you have any tips/suggestions on how to try and combat this? 🤔 Many thanks, Rob 👍👍
I always thought it was bad that I was doing bar MUs with wide grip and fared elbows. I've always tried to correct it but I really can't do it close. Now I know that it's not a problem. (My elbows don't come out too fared, it's actually exactly like when you demonstrated the wider grip MU)
Hi can you please do a video on your diet supplement n protein intake if any pls. Being vegan I am very limited. I have just started ring exercises n tou are big help. Thnx
Can you put some subs option? Usually i see you'r vids at work and apply them to my exercise afterwords when i am at home, so i can't turn up te volume so high lol. Great info like always, you feed my brain too!
also its worth a mention that if you are(were) a very strong but very inflexible body builder forced bar muscle ups can be dangerous for the shoulder. I tried to rush this in 2013 lol still hurts
3:23 Now I know what causes chicken wing muscle up. I still can't do a muscle up. I started training negatives of the transition, and pull ups with false grip. Hope one day I can do a strict muscle up.
Hi Daniel, can you give us some tips on rotating the thumbs out at the end of the ring dip!? Just got a set of rings and I'm struggling with that part.... I can manage the dip part but at the very top when you rotate out your thumbs, I just can't get it. It could purely be a strength issue but my bar dips are decent enough I think (93kg bw + 50kg for 5 reps) or perhaps there are some common mistakes here? Thanks in advance!!
I think its very hard to do negative muscle ups on the rings. Can do muscle ups on both rings and bar but its very hard to do negatives which makes it akward to do multiple reps. Gotta work on that i guess but not sure how
Daniel, how do you used to balance learning new moves (flags, front lever, planche, etc) with more standard, hypertrophy oriented training? I feel like it's time to take a leap into learning those moves, but I find training exclusively for them kind of boring. But doing normal workouts after movement training makes me feel I'm hurting my progress a little bit, as I have to rest more day to get a proper movement training day again.
he once said that training for stronger legs might affect people who want flag, front lever and planche. Nevertheless, its false because ur body will get used to have bigger and stronger muscles. While at first it can make u progress less because of ur joints recuperation and progress, it is not impossible. Also, i dont find those exclusive planche/front lever exercises boring because while progressing, there is still another level you can go up, especially when ur whole back or deltoids, even ur abs get sore from doin them. cheers.
@FitnessFAQs i get mad elbow pain when doing ring muscle ups or false grip bar muscle ups (cant do kipping ones), got any tips on what to do? weak tendons?
Got a set of rings a week ago, hung them up and started. Holy shit, SO much harder and more brutal than weightlifting in the gym (my experience)! If you try it, I think you'll be shocked as well. OK, just a process, 1 day at a time.
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What brand of rings do you use?
No muscle ups were kipped in the making of this video
Michael Scott on god 🚫🧢
Lol
crossfit *ahem* *ahem*
Haha
I prefer rings! Always loved the slow and controlled movements but I've to admit I don't particularly like having to use false grip
Short answer: Rings
Long answer: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiings
Hello ....
@KVMVKVZ bruh i though i read it wrong but your username is the same lol
Can't wait for 90year old Dan to stress full range of motion and form standards.
@KVMVKVZ only dan
I am here for 90 year old Daniel stressing full range of motion and form standards! 😁😄😁
@@cokecan6169 How da fuck is living healthy going to shorten your life span?
The ring muscle up relies more on pure STRENGTH (force production) and getting comfortable with the flase grip. However the exercise occurs on a very flat plane as the pull is a simple vertical ascend. The bar version is much more dependant on EXPLOSIVENESS (rate of force production) and the movement takes place outside the frontal plane as you need to come up in a parabolic (C-shape) fashion, which for many people might comes as odd and unnatural.
I hope this helps understand that there's nothing wrong with you if you could only do the ring version, but not the bar one. Training one variant will have little to no carry over to the other. Specificity of training is key here. Focus on the version you want to get better at :) Keep it up, Fitness FAQs family
But you gotta focus oh wait wrong channel
Butcha gotta focus
why's everyone telling this in comments sections?
@@extremedragon255 Its what pigmie says before every tutorial :D
@@alxnd_r6345 ma men lol
Well that gave me a good chuckle
This is why you’re the best! 👊 Another amazing video. 🙏
Simnett Nutrition ayyyyy another great calisthenics you tuber!
When are you two going to make a video together?
Derek wants to improve his ring muscle up ;p
I'm 47. Want to get back to what I could do in high school. I could do the ring muscle up (thanks gymnastics!) But I will work on getting it back. Thanks for the motivation! Also dealing with an injury due to too much weight on a decline bench narrow grip... Dips are painful at moment. 😞
But with Jesus! ....😇😎😀
Jeffrey Potter go get it champ!
Go on mate.
amen....
You go
God doesnt exist
*Tries just hanging on rings with false grip*
Yeah this is gonna take a while
Thanks for this much needed and beautifully explained tutorial, Dan. Mastered the basics, so now think it's time for my first muscle up.
Great video. At the time of making this comment we have a nationwide lockdown in South Africa. I usually do conventional weight training, but the lockdown has forced me to train in my garage gym with less equipment. After watching your video I am convinced that I have done myself a disservice by training without rings for so long. Now I am convinced that I can replace many of my usual exercises with ones done on rings!
I believe that rings muscles ups are harder, more instability, but when you got the grip right they can be great!
Im able to do band assisted ring muscle ups depending on the band but cant yet do one bar muscle up. You mentioned some things that might assist me eventually getting there. I will be mindful of them as i train. Thanks for posting this footage.
The wrist joint muscle ups were so useful when I injured my hand when planching! 👍
Glad to have found this. As always, excellent vid Daniel. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and giving all of us a high bar to aim for.
Thanks for the great tips! Love your content I have recently started the journey to my first muscle up. And I have made great strides thanks to your videos. Keep it up!
My gymnastic Rings will be coming in the mail soon. Never trained with them before so I'm excited to try them out.
Shoutout to everyone struggling with false grip like me 🙋♂️
Hurts like hell... Especially in pronation
Looking to get my first set of rings soon. Can't wait to perform some of these exercises, plus many more
How's that going?
Good straight form and tutorial💪🏼👍🏼
Daniel - what a beast! much respect.
Love your channel. Great info
i did my first ring muscle up today hahaha
really enjoying the videos and the channel. Thank you!
More quality work from the good man down under.
Im 6.2 ft tall and weigh 205 lbs but i have like around 20%bf, i can do 15 pull ups, to get past 12 pull ups the thing that helped a lot is hanging, forearm endurance matters the most in pull ups mark my words
Amen, man. And it is overlooked despite being logical, for some reason. You can't expect to do a buncha pull ups if you don't dead hang for at least over 2 minutes.
A Blind Lawyer Dead Hangs two minutes is easy
@@razorcola4545 Never said it was hard, so... Your point?
Razorcola show us the video
congratulation Im 61 and I can do 14 pull ups but muscle up is different cup off coffee .... I tried today and failed miserably :) that tip with hanging makes sense
Hey man, can you talk about muscle strains or something related to injuries? As a phisiotherapist i think you could go in depth with this topic.
Nice instructions and truly impressive physique!
it depends..
ooh wait, wrong channel
can you do a wrist injury recover video sprained both my wrists at work slipping on black ice so now i cant do no upper body calisthenics for awhile
means leg day every day lmao
LOVVVVE YOUR VIDEOS!!!
Great info content, really really great instruction/explanation, dope editing, awesome music. 💪
I love both!! haha
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You are a very strong man.
Absolutly, the best to make progress is to put away the ego and work hard with discipline.
God bless you
You give really information by heart and scientifically proofed
All respect and love from me
Your channel is so valuable to me my g, keep it up
Like a shredded Peaky Blinder
BLOINDA
That is a solid technique. I went from being able to do 0 ring muscle ups to 1
The King !
Your videos helped me alot. Please upload more like neck exercise and core strength
Great video. Thanks for what you do.
simply amaizing!! excelent tecnique and force!!
very detailed explanation
Daniel is a super star! He’s standards are very high, but achievable I believe.
40 degrees, man that's rough! Thought it was bad here in South Africa, but you guys have it rough! Either way, kill it bro, come rain or shine!
Where you in s.a man
I can do consecutive ring muscle ups, but not a bar muscle up. I feel like rings are easier for me because I do not need to travel around the bar.
I'm with you on this one. It's frustrating the hell out of me!
I used to be good at bar muscle ups but i lost possibility to do them and i was doing ring muscle ups and now i struggle with 2 bar muscle ups...
Exactly the opposite here lol. In the bar I'm very comfortable with muscle ups, when I try on rings I can barely get one, I struggle in the transition point.
@@deepest_blue make sure you have a really good false grip(wrist really over the ring). That took me from 0 to 3 muscle ups.
I think it's a technique issue for each of us. With rings, a solid false grip is paramount. On a bar, the transition is what I'm stuck on.
this is really useful, thank you so much
Great videos. No nonsense
Can you make a video on the more unconventional muscle ups like the impossible/tricep extension muscle up?
I learned a lot from you fitnessfaq's and calisthenics movement.. Goodday
Your the best daniel!
For me ring muscle ups are much easier but I like bar muscle ups the most because of the flying feeling of shooting up so high into the air 😎
Thanks Dan.
That form is awesome. I really want to achieve a muscle up but my gym's ceiling is too low 😅 I need an adults playground installed near me!
Using a lower rotating bar like the barbell on a squat rack makes training for muscleups 10x easier
Yessir. I just set the bar to like 20 inches and jump in a explosive manner and i sort of mimic the muscle up as my legs do yhe momentum thing if that makes sense.
top notch content
Thank you Sir 🙏. It's really very helpful and informative.
Both muscle ups unlocked here :)
Amazing stuff as always \m/
Question: does using the false grip increases your wrist for carpel tunnel syndrome?
I am wondering the same.
@FitnessFAQs Thanks for the video Daniel!
In the end of the video you did pull-ups with a resistance band which I remember you didn't recommend to use it for pull-ups since it's taking off most of the load in the initial movement of the pull up.
Thank you!!
Great video
Hehe, and then there is Saibov who can pull straight up and instead of getting stuck at the transition he uses the iron wrist style and still goes up cleanly. Or with rings those who flare them out so much that they do an iron cross during the transition. But of course it takes a lot of dedication to reach those levels and normally muscle ups would be impossible done that way.
Great vids
Insane muscle up pure strength 💪
Good morning Daniel 😊 I'm a massive fan of your work, I have been a subscriber to your channel for around a year (think I have seen ALL your video's).
Could you please answer me a quick question... I train on the rings quite regular, but the false grip is chewing up the skin on my wrists 🙄
Do you have any tips/suggestions on how to try and combat this? 🤔
Many thanks, Rob 👍👍
I always thought it was bad that I was doing bar MUs with wide grip and fared elbows. I've always tried to correct it but I really can't do it close. Now I know that it's not a problem.
(My elbows don't come out too fared, it's actually exactly like when you demonstrated the wider grip MU)
Calisthenics get you strong and shredded as fuck
Great vid
Trying to learn both version simultaneously... False grip is tough
We're in the same boat. Hang in there! Literally.
@@suke3823😂 Good one... You too buddy
Hi can you please do a video on your diet supplement n protein intake if any pls. Being vegan I am very limited. I have just started ring exercises n tou are big help. Thnx
Can you put some subs option? Usually i see you'r vids at work and apply them to my exercise afterwords when i am at home, so i can't turn up te volume so high lol. Great info like always, you feed my brain too!
why don't you use headphones?
really nice!
so good
I like it on rings because my abs are always sore after a workout.
Beast !
Waw, you look really good.
Thank you for all your tips.
It helps a lot.
this guy has built a perfect body
Badass! How do you improve the false grip?
Practice it, do pull ups and holds in false grip and it will get better really fast!
False grip is GOAT.
2:13 here it's damn Cold -18 C
im going for 20 muscle ups. I am currently at 17. Ill probably get it in like 2 months.
0 Kip, perfect reps btw. Maybe going for WR.
im 12 and can do 21 perfect
Nice, follow you dream💪
also its worth a mention that if you are(were) a very strong but very inflexible body builder forced bar muscle ups can be dangerous for the shoulder. I tried to rush this in 2013 lol still hurts
you are great 👍❤
Thanks!
Niec thnks for formation 👏
3:23 Now I know what causes chicken wing muscle up. I still can't do a muscle up. I started training negatives of the transition, and pull ups with false grip. Hope one day I can do a strict muscle up.
when executing bar muscle up should i do it with active hang or passive hang? does it matter?
Hi Daniel, can you give us some tips on rotating the thumbs out at the end of the ring dip!? Just got a set of rings and I'm struggling with that part.... I can manage the dip part but at the very top when you rotate out your thumbs, I just can't get it. It could purely be a strength issue but my bar dips are decent enough I think (93kg bw + 50kg for 5 reps) or perhaps there are some common mistakes here? Thanks in advance!!
If you’ve watched fitnessfaq videos you already know which he will prefer lol
I think its very hard to do negative muscle ups on the rings. Can do muscle ups on both rings and bar but its very hard to do negatives which makes it akward to do multiple reps. Gotta work on that i guess but not sure how
Daniel, how do you used to balance learning new moves (flags, front lever, planche, etc) with more standard, hypertrophy oriented training? I feel like it's time to take a leap into learning those moves, but I find training exclusively for them kind of boring. But doing normal workouts after movement training makes me feel I'm hurting my progress a little bit, as I have to rest more day to get a proper movement training day again.
Same, hope there is a answer soon!
he once said that training for stronger legs might affect people who want flag, front lever and planche. Nevertheless, its false because ur body will get used to have bigger and stronger muscles. While at first it can make u progress less because of ur joints recuperation and progress, it is not impossible. Also, i dont find those exclusive planche/front lever exercises boring because while progressing, there is still another level you can go up, especially when ur whole back or deltoids, even ur abs get sore from doin them. cheers.
@FitnessFAQs i get mad elbow pain when doing ring muscle ups or false grip bar muscle ups (cant do kipping ones), got any tips on what to do? weak tendons?
I am with bars💪
Got a set of rings a week ago, hung them up and started. Holy shit, SO much harder and more brutal than weightlifting in the gym (my experience)! If you try it, I think you'll be shocked as well. OK, just a process, 1 day at a time.
ha ha most of the people in my gym want even touch the rings ....
Hi! Thanks for the video. Based on your experience, which version is potentially more risky for shoulders?
The bar muscle up is more risky. never have any joints pains with the ring but with the bar i usually get shoulders pain
If a person doesn't have rings but does have a TRX suspension system, will the TRX suspension system work as well as rings?
is that a Nissan skyline at 1:23 ?