Lake Shore Electric Railway's Interurban Rail Cars
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2016
- Lakeshore Electric Railway's Interurban Rail Cars. The line ran from Cleveland and Toledo, Ohio. These film clips were taken between 1931 and 1938. Last day of operation: May 14, 1938.
Thank you so much for this upload. My grandfather drove for the Lake Shore Electric. Avon Lake had a large car park building for this. Part of it is still there. I can only hope maybe there is footage of my grandfathers' car on here. Avon Lake still has a street named " Electric Boulevard ( blvd ). That is where the Lakeshore electric ran to the car barn. There is planning for a museum there also.
So grateful, ( bows deeply and most respectfully to you ).
Thank you for presenting the last years of the Lake Shore Electric Railway, a staple of travel for Northern Ohioans since before the turn of the century. Apparently, aging tracks, overhead wiring, poles being unstable, and the emergence of the automobile doomed the fate of the LSER by 1938. Longtime commuters who went from Lorain to Cleveland to go to their jobs, or from Avon Lake to Sandusky to attend Cedar Point Amusement Park had to find another way to get around. It was the end of an era.
Interurban and streetcar systems work best in different settings. Fewer stops Interurban and short streetcar lines that "circulate" frequently the congress of new urbanism plainly observes as obvious.
Circulating shuttle bus routes with shorter wheelbase lightweight low-floor public transit vehicles
(sans lift). Yellow School Buses painted dark blue make fine prisoner transport and road crew rigs. So, if they're good enough for criminals, they're good enough for CHILDREN?
IS THAT WHAT YOUR State DOT Departments of Highway Robbery tell you?
GM/Ford paratransit lift vans should NOT be merely converted to EV!
Stations and locations still here:
10:20, Ceyton Junction, station still exists
1:40, now Smith Court goes under this bridge in Rocky River.
3:45 Beach Park, still standing at 33491 Lake Road, Avon Lake, Ohio.
Great shots of a bygone era.
1:40 that overpass in Rocky River still exists. A street called Smith Court now runs under it.
I looked it up on Google Maps, it looks the same but the trolley tracks are gone.
A wonderful video, ist should be digitally remastered, if possible. Thanks from Germany
i see everyone saying that its the busses, and other road based industries causing the demise of the interurbans. most ended in strikes when they could no longer pay workers, or wanted to pay them less so they could continue to run. by the late 30's, most interurbans where making money on freight traffic instead of passenger. you can even see some of the freight motors here in the film. once the link to Detroit was gone, all the ohio based interurbans closed up shop one after the other.
Yep. Cincinnati and Lake Erie was heavily dependent on the Lake Shore Electric, Indiana Railroad, Detriot United Railways and some others.
The bridge at 8:46 is where it crosses the double train tracks and Camp road in Huron. The southwest Bridge abutment is still there. Now all part of Barnes property.
You can also just quickly glimpse the large house that is still there in the background...also on Barnes property on the North side of Cleveland Rd (Rte 6) in the background as a truck passes by.
The lake Shore's roadbed was not their biggest problem. Most of the Cleveland-Toledo cars still ran at 60 mph on the mainline. It was the poles and overhead. Most of it was nearing 45 years old. The poles all needed to be replaced and the wire needed to be realigned. If the Lake Shore has used pantographs instead of trolley poles this expense might have been put of for a few more years. Trolley poles are much more of a problem with bad wire alignment, and that was happening more and more frequently. If they could have made it to 1941 they would have at least survived the war years, but pole and wire replacement would have been an even more dire need by then. The l=Lake Shore may have made it another 10 years but all those cars running on the roads alongside the tracks doomed the Lake Shore.
Believe it or not, the interurban cars could go 75-80 as a top speed.
Pretty much the same situation with the Cleveland RTA rapid transit today. 35-40 year old cars, older tracks and overhead wires needing replacement, and requiring lengthy shutdowns and shuttle buses to replace, etc.
Interesting video since I just watched one showing the old right of way recently after all that has been long removed.
What video is that?
I have read the reply to my statements regarding trams, Europe, etc., now the Chinese, Japanese and South Africa, and even some middle eastern countries have started or expanded their trams routes including the building of high speed railways (which are electrified), even the U.S. are building high speed railways, Texas, California, Florida and some cities like Detroit have built trams to ease congestion in the metro cities. The old way of thinking is gone just like 8track tapes, 78 and 45 records it is time to move forward and look at vintage steam locomotives on line.
Donald Trump supports US coal, but where are the coal burning steam locos? Maybe not near population centres but at least out in the wide open spaces of which there are plenty in the USA.
0:20 Yes, but it did not survive the streetcar scandal later...
Well documented research has been published on the demise of light rail in the US. Major traction systems were purchased by all the car manufacturers and large suppliers like Goodyear etc. After they purchased the systems they scrapped them as quickly as possible. I grew up in Rochester, NY, I believe it was GM, who bought the local light rail right after the war and promptly had it dismantled.
Goodyear didn't do anything. It was GM, Standard Oil, Mack Trucks, Phillips 66, and Firestone.
@@WesternOhioInterurbanHistoryThey spelled the doom for Pacific Electric's Big Red Cars!
Is this the same one that came to the Piers in Monroe Michigan?
Summer of 1964 riding NYC locomotives somewhere between Cleveland and Toledo an old ROW lay just North of NYC mains. There was what looked like an old freight motor just sitting there on a couple or lengths
of track whereas the rest of track was long gone. NYC crew said it was to protect the old ROW which could not revert as long as there was track and equipment on it. Anyone know of this? Was it this inter urban RR?
Likely. The Lake Shore Electric was near the New York Central.
That it hadn't made a profit in a year is propaganda of the time by the oil companies to bring the most efficient and clean transportation to date (meaning until *today)* to its destruction. How could it **not** make a profit when its only overhead, the electricity it used shared by the entire community and hardly noticeable and the puny salaries of a single operator or operator and fare collector/ticket puncher?
Any idea where "Beach Park" was? I was thinking Huntington beach, but why would they separate that & Bay Village on the film? I know of a park, that I've never been to between Cahoon & Bradley slightly S of Lake Road that could be it. Thanks for the work in posting this.
Avon Lake. Station is at 33491 Lake Road, Avon Lake, Ohio. There's even Lake Shore Electric 38, a freight motor in the parking lot.
It’s what’s referred to as the “old movie theatre” across from the power plant. A little funny as before the movie theatre - it was the station and the power plant was the beach
Green when green was just a color 🚂🚃🚃🚃🇨🇦
Both Plano and Waxahachie Texas took away the option to ride by rail and forced people to drive expensive to own and operate automobiles.
I have finished reading the most recent response regarding electrification of passenger trains in the United States. At the onset coal fired steam locomotives were dirty had a lot of black smoke coming out of there smoke stack and after the New York Central railroad had a terrible accident in the Grand Central Station the entire station was electrified up to Croton Harman N.Y. The engine crew could not see see ahead. With respect to building electric freight and passenger rail systems currently Russia. China and Japanese have built such systems including the European countries. Read about these systems first then you have some valid arguments.
I enjoy looking at N.E. Lake shore trams. The question now is why wasn't teams expanded just like the European countries including electrifying passenger railways in the United States instead of using dirty coal fired steam locomotives? Hope someone will answer my questions?
Leroy, because the United States isn't Europe. Coal fired locomotives were used because the price of coal was cheap. It was used in most of Europe until the 1950's for the same reason. Americans owned cars in large numbers when most of Europe didn't, hence the need to use trams and long distance trains. Super highways were built before WWII and greatly expanded afterwards. People in the US had a long tradition of car ownership, something that didn't exist in Europe until fairly recently.
Europe is densely populated, both in cities and in the countries in general. That provided the population to ride trams and trains. The US has many areas where the population is less than 100 in a square mile. You can't profitably run trains with that kind of density, and the US has no tradition of state owned railways subsidized by taxpayers.
As I said, the United States is not Europe.
I think if the United States had invested in electric locomotives America would be financially stable in the transportation of raw materials and passenger routes.
Why would electric locomotives have been the one thing that would have saved the US passenger business? Do you have any idea what the cost of an electric railways system in country the size of the US would be? How would such a massive capital expenditure made passenger service in the country profitable? The US has almost 600 miles of electrified trackage, the vast majority in the Keystone and Northeast corridors, the two most heavily populated areas of the country. There, electric locomotives are able to operate with their two top advantages, high route speeds and high acceleration between closely spaced stations. Where those two conditions exist, the US has electrified railroads. As an example, New Jersey has a population density of 1,195.5 per sq. mile. That state, and all the other high density states like Connecticut and Massachusetts, are criss crossed with light and heavy duty electric passenger lines. Middle tier states like California and Florida are adding high speed passenger lines, some electric and some diesel. Do you think electrification is reasonable for a state like Nevada, with 23 people per sq mile, or Wyoming, with 5.6 people per sq mile?
I don't know why you think the US is not financially stable when it comes to raw material transport. We move more raw materials cheaper and over longer distances that any country in the world, almost all using diesel electric locomotives. Bulk cargoes like iron ore, coal, steel, and grains move at about two cents a mile, and some at a cost much less, depending on tariffs and bulk commodity discounts. Even in the electrified Northeast Corridor, most freight moves by diesel electrics because the cost of running them is less expensive than building and operating new heavy duty electric freight locomotives.
Commuter rail infrastructure bolsters the local economy immensely and societal necessities aren’t supposed to be for profit, they’re not a commodity. I enjoy breathing and the air is not making some business creep somewhere super mega wealthy
Today we don't have such technology anymore ... Now we have broken Tesla cars. Someone stole the genius's name.
Sad
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the piano playing leaves a lot to be desired ------------- horrible ------------ like pictures, especially the Sandusky shots --------------- is there more of the Sandusky ones by chance?