I left the Mormon church 5 years ago and that shirt, "I never met a Mormon who knows they are forgiven" That was me for 50 years! I'm not born again since last May 2023 and as I confessed to the Lord my sins and repented, I was forgiven in a second! I finally KNOW God loves me and I know how merciful He is.
My sin--oh the bliss of this glorious thought---my sin, not in part, but the whole, was nailed to the cross and I bear it no more. Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord, O my soul!
As a former Mormon, I can attest everything being said here is true in terms of LDS teachings. It amazes me how the current apologists of Mormonism attempt to distort, lie, dance around "official LDS doctrine" and when you ask a handful of Mormons the same question, you get conflicting answers. Why? Because they do not know what it truly means to be forgiven. I asked a few missionaries recently (over the past 12 months) and they told me "after all you can do" means that you have to do your part, and then Jesus makes up the difference. Like building a bridge, you know you will come up short, but Jesus "bridges the gap". I ask them how long they prayed this morning before heading out to spread their message. Regardless of their answer, I simply ask them, "Was that ALL you can do?" If they prayed 5 min, I ask them, why not 10 or 15 min? Did they truly do "all they could do" before starting out that day? When a Mormon tells you they believe in God the Father, in Jesus Christ, ask them to tell you about their God, and about their Jesus. Ask them to get into the deeper theological understandings they believe in, and you will find out they believe in a different God, a different Christ, then what true Christianity believes in.
Thank you for speaking to Mormons. I pray that someone like you will speak to my loved ones and that they will listen. Because they will not listen to me.
I listened to this speech, and the part about grace stuck with me. They say it's so easy for you... Well, the hardest part for me was discovering I had nothing to offer, at least that how it felt back then. Breaking down your pride, or letting Him break it down, and be humble before the Lord, if you call that easy, you don't know humans. Having nothing to offer is of course not the case. You're giving you to Him and follow him as best as you can. It't a bit like giving a raw diamond to a diamond-cutter. I can imagine that if you come from the if-then faith, this can be very confusing.
It's all JESUS!! If I could save myself, why did My sweet LORD need to hang on a cross, and hand his mortal life to Heathens from Hell?? sorry,,GRACE is a GIFT!! We can't fulfill the law!! we are filled with SIN! The flesh will sin and fall short daily,,but the blood of the Lamb washes the soul clean forever!! I'm saved by Grace through Faith,, I only accepted the gift that my Savior offered!! Thank you dear Lord JESUS!!
I will be praying for you. We finally moved out of Utah. I couldn't take the lies and hardships anymore. I finally felt God tell me it was time to leave. So difficult to do.
God have mercy on the LDS people. They are not just faceless members of a Cult to be hassled on You Tube - but real people with children, lives, hopes and dreams. I do not want them to go to Hell. I hope their Eternal Souls will be saved from such a False Gospel.
I like your video brother. I just turned around today and gave my bishop my letter to have my name removed from the church records. And I don’t care nobody’s perfect not even a so-called prophets of the church. even if it’s a thought, nobody is not singing every day even if you don’t say it out loud even if it’s in your mind maybe not every day but I guarantee once a week somethings going on do you think something somebody pulls out in front of you this or that you know what I mean. All we can do is. Pray every night and say, Lord, I’m a sinner please forgive me and be the best you can be, because if you did not sin Ever, you still wouldn’t be perfect enough to live in the present of God
Thank you. We cannot be perfect in our sinful state of mortality. We await Christ's return when all will be changed. Meanwhile we rejoice IN CHRIST and the newness of life that transforms us from within by His Spirit. Its about surrender in faith not self-reliance from works.
I know this video is really old, but I just want to say I appreciate the different perspective from mine. The interesting thing is that we agree with everything doctrinally, but with little tweaks in understanding. Yes, God gives His grace no matter what. Yes, Jesus is the Savior and nothing is possible without Him. I think the thing that most people of the LDS church have a hard time portraying is that we believe that we can be fully forgiven, but we also don't think about it working for everything in the future and not just the past. God has already forgiven is for everything in our lives, but we're very focused on the current reality of our lives that we say we're forgiven for everything we've repented for but not for the sins that we've yet to commit partly because we don't know what those are yet. We just haven't been taught that God forgives all throughout eternity so we only think about the things we've already done. That's why we say that we've been forgiven but that we still have to repent. For God, it's all the same time. For us, we do something wrong and repent of that sin but then we sin by breaking a different commandment and have to repent for that one next. Yes, God has already forgiven it, but we need to know what we did was wrong and repent of that new sin because our time is linear.
It is interesting, both Charles Finney and moral government theology teach along these lines. Charles Finney taught only sins truly repented of are truly firgiven.
Usually how it goes, sadly. My family is pretty much 100% Atheist and because we all grew up together they don't take anything I say seriously. Even Christ seemed to have the same problem in Mark 6.
Well B.Y. is 100% right, it IS 100% impossible to repent in the afterlife... Once a person passes, that's it... He we go with satan bringing truth mixed with sugar.
Here is a thought.....what is more difficult? To forgive a person of their transgressions against us when they ask for it or when they don’t? Obviously when they don’t ask for forgiveness, so according Mormonism, we must be on a higher level of forgiveness than God.
Thank you for this video. I just realized I need to do better!! What all Christians and Mormons alike fail to realize is the relationship between the things we say and do (sins or not) and the law of attraction. It is a universal law. If I'm a person that justifies taking little things here and there that don't belong to me, (from work, or family, friends etc., ie stealing) sooner or later that comes back to me and I am stolen from. Because what you send out returns to you. I've seen this in countless people's lives. From deception, dishonesty, stealing, cheating, infidelity, down to gossiping, holding resentments and unforgiveness. These actions always come back to you, come back around and manifest as an offense against you, but in a much larger way. Unfortunately none of those people were able to recognize the fact that it was simply the law of attraction sending back their own actions to bite them in the a$$. Karma, Divine justice, Law of attraction, call it what you will, this universal law can never be circumvented. The only thing that does is the Saviors atonement. When a sinner comes to Christ forsaking all his sins, the Lord absorbs divine justice into the atonement and karma is stopped in its tracks! God gave us commandments and the principle of repentance to protect us. So if we "strive" to follow, we can live happy drama free lives. And to your example of the anger problem, I've seen the Lord remove things like that completely! Even in my own life. You must go to Him sincerely petitioning for His help, and for healing. And He helps and heals! Why would you want to live with your problems and sins when you don't have to? I take it those who believe in grace would never think to do that, sadly. You video is so anti- "striving to do your best, and repenting" I can only assume you think it's ok to keep doing your sins because grace will cover it. Sure, you will be saved because of Gods Grace, that gift is freely given, but your life will never be what it could have been, you will never soar to the heights you could have soared (Isaiah 40:31), in this life or in the next..
Old video but since it’s still making rounds it’s worth calling out the false premise that Mormons believe works matter because of the prideful desire to take partial credit for one’s own salvation. That simply not the theology. Mormons do believe in duty to act righteously as an inseparable component of faith in Christ.
You need to be a little more sensitive on "repetitive forgiveness". Since we are all sinners and no one is perfect. GOD is constantly helping us through forgiveness!
The correct name of the mormon church is the church of jesus chris of latter day saints The first article of faith sayes we believe in God the enternal father, and in his son,Jesus Christ, say what you want, but being mormon is being christian.
Hi Meagan. Thanks for the comment on the video. Are you going on a mission? Have you read Spencer W. Kimball's "Miracle of Forgiveness"? That is the book that Keith often references in these videos. In high school, God taught me a lot through the Letter to the Romans about grace. Contrasting what was taught in Romans 4 and Spencer Kimball's teachings was liberating. Romans 4:4-5 is where I think God really got a hold of me. Take care.
Asking, "Is Jesus' sacrifice sufficient for full reconciliation with God?" is like asking "Is gravity sufficient to make objects fall?" Of course; it's directly correlated! The atonement is the operand that reconciles man with God. That has nothing to do with what terms Christ established to use that power to save a person (such as accepting Him as your savior). To the LDS, those terms are following the principles and ordinances of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I left the Mormon church 5 years ago and that shirt, "I never met a Mormon who knows they are forgiven" That was me for 50 years! I'm not born again since last May 2023 and as I confessed to the Lord my sins and repented, I was forgiven in a second! I finally KNOW God loves me and I know how merciful He is.
My sin--oh the bliss of this glorious thought---my sin, not in part, but the whole,
was nailed to the cross and I bear it no more. Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord, O my soul!
I am in the process of leaving the LDS church pray for me.
As a former Mormon, I can attest everything being said here is true in terms of LDS teachings. It amazes me how the current apologists of Mormonism attempt to distort, lie, dance around "official LDS doctrine" and when you ask a handful of Mormons the same question, you get conflicting answers. Why? Because they do not know what it truly means to be forgiven.
I asked a few missionaries recently (over the past 12 months) and they told me "after all you can do" means that you have to do your part, and then Jesus makes up the difference. Like building a bridge, you know you will come up short, but Jesus "bridges the gap".
I ask them how long they prayed this morning before heading out to spread their message. Regardless of their answer, I simply ask them, "Was that ALL you can do?" If they prayed 5 min, I ask them, why not 10 or 15 min? Did they truly do "all they could do" before starting out that day?
When a Mormon tells you they believe in God the Father, in Jesus Christ, ask them to tell you about their God, and about their Jesus. Ask them to get into the deeper theological understandings they believe in, and you will find out they believe in a different God, a different Christ, then what true Christianity believes in.
Thank you for speaking to Mormons. I pray that someone like you will speak to my loved ones and that they will listen. Because they will not listen to me.
I listened to this speech, and the part about grace stuck with me. They say it's so easy for you...
Well, the hardest part for me was discovering I had nothing to offer, at least that how it felt back then. Breaking down your pride, or letting Him break it down, and be humble before the Lord, if you call that easy, you don't know humans.
Having nothing to offer is of course not the case. You're giving you to Him and follow him as best as you can. It't a bit like giving a raw diamond to a diamond-cutter. I can imagine that if you come from the if-then faith, this can be very confusing.
We walk by faith and not by sight. Good works are the fruit of our faith, not the object of it.
It's all JESUS!! If I could save myself, why did My sweet LORD need to hang on a cross, and hand his mortal life to Heathens from Hell?? sorry,,GRACE is a GIFT!! We can't fulfill the law!! we are filled with SIN! The flesh will sin and fall short daily,,but the blood of the Lamb washes the soul clean forever!! I'm saved by Grace through Faith,, I only accepted the gift that my Savior offered!! Thank you dear Lord JESUS!!
The cults use Christian terminology that is radically redefined. Never assume youre talking about the same thing.
I will be praying for you. We finally moved out of Utah. I couldn't take the lies and hardships anymore. I finally felt God tell me it was time to leave. So difficult to do.
God have mercy on the LDS people. They are not just faceless members of a Cult to be hassled on You Tube - but real people with children, lives, hopes and dreams. I do not want them to go to Hell. I hope their Eternal Souls will be saved from such a False Gospel.
A deep amen. Lord, have mercy.
I like your video brother. I just turned around today and gave my bishop my letter to have my name removed from the church records. And I don’t care nobody’s perfect not even a so-called prophets of the church. even if it’s a thought, nobody is not singing every day even if you don’t say it out loud even if it’s in your mind maybe not every day but I guarantee once a week somethings going on do you think something somebody pulls out in front of you this or that you know what I mean. All we can do is. Pray every night and say, Lord, I’m a sinner please forgive me and be the best you can be, because if you did not sin Ever, you still wouldn’t be perfect enough to live in the present of God
Thank you. We cannot be perfect in our sinful state of mortality. We await Christ's return when all will be changed. Meanwhile we rejoice IN CHRIST and the newness of life that transforms us from within by His Spirit. Its about surrender in faith not self-reliance from works.
I know this video is really old, but I just want to say I appreciate the different perspective from mine. The interesting thing is that we agree with everything doctrinally, but with little tweaks in understanding. Yes, God gives His grace no matter what. Yes, Jesus is the Savior and nothing is possible without Him. I think the thing that most people of the LDS church have a hard time portraying is that we believe that we can be fully forgiven, but we also don't think about it working for everything in the future and not just the past. God has already forgiven is for everything in our lives, but we're very focused on the current reality of our lives that we say we're forgiven for everything we've repented for but not for the sins that we've yet to commit partly because we don't know what those are yet. We just haven't been taught that God forgives all throughout eternity so we only think about the things we've already done. That's why we say that we've been forgiven but that we still have to repent. For God, it's all the same time. For us, we do something wrong and repent of that sin but then we sin by breaking a different commandment and have to repent for that one next. Yes, God has already forgiven it, but we need to know what we did was wrong and repent of that new sin because our time is linear.
It is interesting, both Charles Finney and moral government theology teach along these lines. Charles Finney taught only sins truly repented of are truly firgiven.
Amen brother it is
Usually how it goes, sadly. My family is pretty much 100% Atheist and because we all grew up together they don't take anything I say seriously. Even Christ seemed to have the same problem in Mark 6.
Well B.Y. is 100% right, it IS 100% impossible to repent in the afterlife... Once a person passes, that's it... He we go with satan bringing truth mixed with sugar.
Here is a thought.....what is more difficult? To forgive a person of their transgressions against us when they ask for it or when they don’t? Obviously when they don’t ask for forgiveness, so according Mormonism, we must be on a higher level of forgiveness than God.
Thank you for this video. I just realized I need to do better!! What all Christians and Mormons alike fail to realize is the relationship between the things we say and do (sins or not) and the law of attraction. It is a universal law. If I'm a person that justifies taking little things here and there that don't belong to me, (from work, or family, friends etc., ie stealing) sooner or later that comes back to me and I am stolen from. Because what you send out returns to you. I've seen this in countless people's lives. From deception, dishonesty, stealing, cheating, infidelity, down to gossiping, holding resentments and unforgiveness. These actions always come back to you, come back around and manifest as an offense against you, but in a much larger way. Unfortunately none of those people were able to recognize the fact that it was simply the law of attraction sending back their own actions to bite them in the a$$. Karma, Divine justice, Law of attraction, call it what you will, this universal law can never be circumvented. The only thing that does is the Saviors atonement. When a sinner comes to Christ forsaking all his sins, the Lord absorbs divine justice into the atonement and karma is stopped in its tracks! God gave us commandments and the principle of repentance to protect us. So if we "strive" to follow, we can live happy drama free lives. And to your example of the anger problem, I've seen the Lord remove things like that completely! Even in my own life. You must go to Him sincerely petitioning for His help, and for healing. And He helps and heals! Why would you want to live with your problems and sins when you don't have to? I take it those who believe in grace would never think to do that, sadly.
You video is so anti- "striving to do your best, and repenting" I can only assume you think it's ok to keep doing your sins because grace will cover it. Sure, you will be saved because of Gods Grace, that gift is freely given, but your life will never be what it could have been, you will never soar to the heights you could have soared (Isaiah 40:31), in this life or in the next..
teachings of the presidents of the church spencer w. Kimball Referenced pages 36 and 37
He had me hooked on hearing the rest of the presentation before reaching the 8:30 mark!
Be ye therefore perfect even as your father in heavan is perfect ?
Old video but since it’s still making rounds it’s worth calling out the false premise that Mormons believe works matter because of the prideful desire to take partial credit for one’s own salvation. That simply not the theology. Mormons do believe in duty to act righteously as an inseparable component of faith in Christ.
teachings of the presidents of the church. spencer w. Kimball. chapter 4 also referenced pages 43 and 44
He sounds EXACTLY like Chris Pine. Watch the rise of the guardians and jack frost will sound exactly like this guy.
You need to be a little more sensitive on "repetitive forgiveness". Since we are all sinners and no one is perfect. GOD is constantly helping us through forgiveness!
The correct name of the mormon church is the church of jesus chris of latter day saints
The first article of faith sayes we believe in God the enternal father, and in his son,Jesus Christ, say what you want, but being mormon is being christian.
Hi Meagan. Thanks for the comment on the video. Are you going on a mission? Have you read Spencer W. Kimball's "Miracle of Forgiveness"? That is the book that Keith often references in these videos.
In high school, God taught me a lot through the Letter to the Romans about grace. Contrasting what was taught in Romans 4 and Spencer Kimball's teachings was liberating. Romans 4:4-5 is where I think God really got a hold of me.
Take care.
Jesus say feed the poor heal the sick cloth the naked if you don't do that jesus will boot from heaven KJV mathew
Asking, "Is Jesus' sacrifice sufficient for full reconciliation with God?" is like asking "Is gravity sufficient to make objects fall?"
Of course; it's directly correlated! The atonement is the operand that reconciles man with God.
That has nothing to do with what terms Christ established to use that power to save a person (such as accepting Him as your savior). To the LDS, those terms are following the principles and ordinances of the gospel of Jesus Christ.