I have no use for the public schools. When my son was 6 years old, they said he was brain-damaged & unteachable. That man has been a paramedic for more than 20 years. He is also the assistant chief of his 911 service. I homeschooled him successfully.
It always annoys me, because I’ve known some teachers who saw something like this in a lot of special Ed kids who were actually really smart and bored in schools, but they were extremely ableist and did not support the kids whatsoever. Not to mention their “theories” don’t hold up with these kids. It’s apparently became a cult of this stuff so a lot of teachers are leaving.
I had a similar experience with my oldest daughter..except I had been told BY THE SCHOOL what to expect. We homeschooled her from the beginning. She will graduate next year with her associates in business, and has been on the Dean's list every semester!
Farm kids raised in the country have an advantage. They are taught to be more responsible and productive and creative at a much younger age. If the livestock isn't fed they die. Crops need specific care. Learning about marketing is a necessity or everything else is for naught. I drove a tractor at age 6 and so did my neighbor kid. Besides that, they have the opportunity to explore and appreciate nature. I could go on and on. Parents lead by example,
We had things learning was a must. Our lives were a nonstop learning process. We had to concentrate or someone would get hurt. How many times were you told to pull your head out of your ass? Lol...yes, I wasn't y'all enough until 8 for the tractors but I did hoe many rows. It's fundamental and I wish there was a way to bring it with us.
We just pulled our daughter from public school officially at the end of the school day today. We aren't rich. I just work from home. We created a game plan, and we, as parents, will be teaching our daughter. No more of the public school brainwashing agendas, stifled creativity, structured play instead of free play, etc. We are so very happy! ❤🎉
As a mom homeschooling 4 kids ranging from 13 to 2 I often feel guilty for not doing "school". I am a recovering former school teacher. 😅 But lately my 9 year old spends most of her day sewing, crocheting and baking. We do school, through memorization and she reads and writes well, however she gets so overwhelmed with the "paper school" tasks. Thank you for the reminder that the "school model" isn't best.
I was a public education teacher for 15 yrs (middle school & college levels). I walked away from it in 2015 when I was being forced to stop teaching students tools they could use throughout their lives to teaching them precreated lesson plans with no direction. I was tired of fighting the education system and being forced through intentional decisions to eliminate those “old fashioned” teachers to retire or quit. I’m now a pyrography artist happy as a clam but miss making a difference in young learners lives.
I saw the same thing happening when I taught middle school math. I was told I had to teach to fill in formulas. The students were so much more capable than just filling in formulas, and that included my special Ed students as well as my general Ed students. Seeing students engaged in learning is much more rewarding.
The great thing here is that even if they do not become entrepreneurs they understand what the business owner does and how to be a non-entitled employee.
Been a teacher for 20 years. I’ve been saying since the 2nd or 3rd year that I’m not smart enough to design a more destructive system. I’ve been trying to help as much as possible to the kids I teach, but it’s holding back the tide with a sieve.
My 5 yo son got mad at me last night for something and told my wife I wasn't nice. I told him I wasn't there to be nice, I was there to make sure he learned how to survive and take care of himself. My sincerest goal as a parent is that my kids will be able, willing, and inclined to take of themselves and others. I believe that if they are capable and committed they will find their own path to happiness and success, whatever that looks like. As a parent I know it is my responsibility to teach them morals, critical thinking, and ultimately my responsibility to ensure they have whatever tools they need to make it in the world. Whatever education system we decide to employ, I know we are choosing a tool and that final authority and responsibility must reside with the parents. Now, please open an Apogee school in north Idaho/CDA area.
When Matt started talking about the pre-pre school for kids, and that’s how you get them ready for college at two, that hit me hard. My 3 year old toddler is a smart little guys, and loves reading and being read to. I’m extraordinarily hesitant about him in preschool because I don’t want to crush that love and send him to a place might do it. Definitely looking into homeschooling.
You don’t need pre-school. Kids are more influenced negatively by their peers at that age on parents pursuit of socialization. We homeschool and it’s incredible! 💯 tailored learning and my children are close to one another and kind humans.
Go with Homeschooling. It seems you’re a parent that has a great interest in their children I think you will be disappointed if you do not homeschool. We were so very worried and it’s turned out to be the best thing for our family and each individual kid’s education. You will be miles ahead by homeschooling. Go with it with confidence and do not be afraid to change/tweek things as you go. Your kids will love it and have a great relationship with parent.
And the truth is a dang 3 year old doesn't even need all that. Just play and book reading. The institutions wants to get that federal funding as soon as possible with butts in seats. That means they pretend a 3 year old needs to be woken up at 7 am to get to "school" for 8 ---to be away from mommy for at least 4 hours---but most places it's ALL DAY !! AT THREE!!
I’ve been a proud public middle school teacher for 22 years. I would never share my political or religious beliefs with my students. I encourage them to think for themselves, and to take pride in their work.
I agree with the other comment about know what the parties stand for, but we adults know that the political parties do not represent what they use to. As for religion, it teaches morals. If you want immoral students, omit religion. The boomer generation was raised at an early age starting their day with a pledge of allegiance and a morning prayer in their elementary levels. But since then, religion has been removed from schools and students have become so much more unruly. I'm not having the federal government dictate the morals of my children. Students are in school to learn. Not to be indoctrinated by aggressive gay students into a gay lifestyle by peer pressure while the federal government ties the hands of the parent. Young children are impressionable and easily confused. If they choose a gay lifestyle as an adult, it is acceptable, but I oppose a lifestyle being impressed upon my children before they mature enough to consider all of the pros and cons of the lifestyle. I might remind you, Hitler indoctrinated young children that killed many people in the World wars.
Schools nowadays came to be from the Prussian model... "I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers" - John D. Rockefeller You learned in a corrupt school system before lgbt pushed their narrative. There might me something your teaching that is wrong and don't know about it.
And the libraries are getting rid of the books that are deemed outdated throwing out history and science material. I was told all will be digital and the need for libraries are no longer relevant. Guess like the library of Alexandria all will be lost
As a mom who homeschooled her kids I quickly decided that grading was pointless for us because I was not going to have my children move ahead until they fully understood what they were learning. I also did not drag along a subject that was too easy for them, so they went through school at their own pace not by grade level. I understand the reason why the schools need to use it when they need to push kids through like they are on a conveyor belt. If you think about it they could just give the kids a pass or fail not a grade because as long as they get above a certain percentage (grade) they get pushed through. They don't care that some of the kids barely understood what they were taught and others were bored to death because it was too easy for them.
I taught math to tradesmen for 8 years. They need their basic arithmetic (+-x/), fractions, decimals, basic geometry, proportions, area estimation techniques, and basic trig. Teaching math WITH the practical applications helps greatly with retention.
On my 6th year homeschooling. The first year, when we pulled them from private school, I was so nervous I was going to screw them up. Making that first leap into homeschooling is scary but it’s so worth it.
I, since the age of 9, have been a student of German history 1920 - 1945. I truly wish the teachers would read how the Germans educated the kids in 1933 - 1945. If they read what was and how it was implemented. It should scare them because they are following thier playbook!
Babylon Berlin has the National Socialist youth in it, predating Hitler. What amazes me is how Communists can also be Nazis while claiming to hate both.
I think we are going to see a mass exodus from the public school systems around the country. Parents are angry about this issue. I think the teachers have not recognized how the gay community has lobbied to have the federal government force the schools into this indoctrination program. If they weren't so busy, they might recognize the danger of Biden's school decision. It's obvious that the teachers are voting for only the sake of money by the way they applauded at Biden's speech. It told me one thing about teachers. It told me that money was more important to the teachers than my child was important to them.
The constant bombardment from technology is the absolute biggest problem facing schools. If we have any hope fixing schools, it's going to come from getting rid of chromebooks and forcing kids to put their phones in lockers. We also need to give kids the agency to make the decision to fail. If a kid checks out and fails out of primary or secondary school, then there should be a babysitting program for them so their parents can still work.
This is what my youngest needs. Desperately. It's to the point that I HATE sending him to school, even though as far as public schools go, it's one of the few good ones. They are working with us and I am actively working with them. He can do all the work. Easily. So easily it freaks me out a bit. He just can't make himself sit there and do it. He is miserable. Sadly because of this, he has no friends. All he wants is the socialization right now (1st grade). He needs the interactions and excitement. Not the factory worker machine. Oddly I think he already knows what he wants to do. He actually focuses when he is able to build with wood. So much so that he has an apprenticeship waiting for him with a carpenter (my best friend, who picked up on it immediately because he was exactly the same way) when he turns 16 if he wants it. I want to homeschool him and have been looking into it but I get overwhelmed.
You Can Do It! I started homeschooling this year, and one thing that keeps me motivated ( outside of God’s grace) is seeing my children’s progress and learning what they are good at/ interested in. It’s not easy, but very rewarding and there are amazing resources. I would suggest an open and go curriculum at first or for the duration, depending on your needs. It takes out all of the guesswork and ensures a well rounded education ,which you can supplement as you see fit. Look into your states homeschool laws and take it from there. Hope that helps some, praying for the best.
@melissaskaggs7229 - we tried montessori for our 1st grader with undiagnosed but most likely ADHD, and it did not work. 30 kids in class with too much freedom to move around led to too much wasted time during the schoolday and not learning anything. Also we will not drug our kid, will never do it. ADHD drugs are for easier classroom management. Never for the benefit of the child. Teacher had too many kids to give him 1:1 attention, so we started homeschooling. Best decision we ever made. He is happy and doing well with Singapore Math.
Why wait until 16? Build him a kid area with wood and use that as an actor to TEACH ALL THE SUBJECTS AT HOME. Hey son let's build a bird house, here are the instructions we need to READ Hey son we need to measure these pieces of wood and ADD it together . By the time he's been in Institutional education until 16---it will have destroyed that talent and passion. Hell be another Instagram addicted lump who doesn't care about anything because he was forced to do so much academia against his CLEAR talent.
I've tried to be an involved parent my kids in public school. We're not choosing to be disengaged we are prohibited from engaging. My 8 old daughter wanted me to shadow her. I was already at the school for a school event this class event ended. She wanted me to go to her next class with her and sit through it quietly sat down in the back of the classroom. Not interacting just watching, The teacher texted the principal to have the text principle remove me from the classroom. So I could leave to come back in an hour to pick her up for the end of the day.
Public school absolutely taught me to hate learning, at least in a formal setting. It was a damn shame because like most children I was always naturally curious & enthusiastic. School beat the enthusiasm & curiosity right out of my soul. I was miserable. I remember dreading every single morning I woke up going back to that place & being forced to sit down, shut up, & learn X subject. If I were allowed to learn & persue the sujects that had captivated my interests that day, things would have gone much differently for me. I never had any agency over what I was going to learn, so I rejected classes in general & just became a shadow on the wall filled with boredom & resentment for the system I was forced to partake in. As I got older & graduated, I was able to enter the workforce. I was immediately happier in the workforce than in school. I got to choose where I wanted to work, & what I wanted to do. I enjoyed being compensated for my efforts, & being able to learn an industry & its inner workings. Obviously adult life has its ups & downs but I am much happier as a working adult than I was as a kid in school. I wish that I could advocate for the kids who are like me when I was in school, & help get them out of that hell hole they call public school. There are vastly superior ways to educate children than locking them in what feels like a prison for 8 hours per day.
Sorry your experience was so awful. Not all public schools are terrible. I was lucky, I guess because I had an excellent experience. Teachers encouraged individual inquiry, there was a balance of class discussion, small group discussion, group projects, and, my favorite, individual projects. The teachers wanted us to know about the world, past and present, and to explore our interests as well as what you need to know to be broadly and well-educated and to have learned about the Great Ideas and Great Works of the world, all while emphasizing what you Ned to know as an American. Are/were there holes in my education? Yes, but it was a pretty solid education overall, one that can be built upon without much foundation work.
My oldest daughter went to public school her whole school years. Then last August we pulled/signed her out of school and started homeschooling her because she had anxiety so bad that she was throwing up almost everyday (not due to a sickness and not due to an eating disorder we checked with doctor) she just had really bad anxiety. She then in October I signed her up to take GED classes and now this month (February) she is going to be taking the final test to graduate to get her high school equivalent. Public school said she was terrible at math but when she went to the classes for the high school equivalent (GED) she was doing excellent they told her she is great at math. She was doing math her way but getting the correct answers. I guess public school said she was bad at math because she was not doing it the way they wanted her to do it. I believe that it doesn't matter how you do the math as long as you get the correct answers, and that's the way her teacher at her GED classes see it too.
As someone who was really good at school, one of the things I was surprised at as a adult...I don’t feel like I really know something unless I've taken a class on it. I need that grade and piece of paper at the end to feel confident talking about it. That's nonsense!
That is a common phenomenon today. It is the opinion of many people that you cannot have an opinion on any particular subject unless you have a degree in it or some kind of BS certification. It is so bizarre. We live in the information era, where we have access to pretty much any information we would ever need at the touch of a button, but yet apparently no one knows anything about any particular subject without the approval of a piece of paper? Bizarre.
High-ranking politicians visit a school. The top one goes over the expenses and decides to make adjustments to cut costs. "The lunch portions are too big. Cut them in half. Internet connection too fast. There are too many computers." After that, they go to a preschool. Again, the expenses are too great. "The lunch portions are too big. Reduce them to half. There are too many toys around." After the preschool, they go to a prison. "The lunch portions are too small, and the selection is too limited. Get faster broadband and more comfortable beds. TVs are too old. Get a few consoles as well." One of them asks the leader, baffled: \- Are you mad? We just cut costs in schools and prechools, and now you do this? \- My friend! We will never go to school or preschool again. But we can still easily end up here...
Funny joke, but federal educational expenditures have increased, and far outpacing inflation, since Reagan took office. Kamala Harris lied straight to the press corps complaining about educational cuts. Of course no one forced her to correct the falsehood. I went to the US Dept of Ed website and the historical funding is right there. Only one year did the budget get cut to a level less than previous year+inflation, and had recouped that "loss" in just three years.
I was in the secondary education program at my college to become a high school art teacher. I was homeschooled myself. I didn’t even get through the first half of my first quarter in the actual classroom before I knew I could never, EVER, thrive in that model. I am now a stay-at-home mom, joyfully teaching my 6 children as well as teaching drama and music in our thriving homeschool co-op.
I love this all so very much. I homeschool pretty much the same way. We learn life and job skills and the academics are integrated through those lessons. Today my 11 year old is starting a stop motion animation project. She will be writing out a script (based on a history event), creating a story board, and make time management schedules. She will also be recording it herself as well. She's super excited to do this. I'm super excited to help her.
Mathematics is needed for research, accounting, engineering, financing, etc. If we look at the high school system as providing advanced levels of mathematics, we are poorly mistaken. Would be nice if the high school systems could provide mathematics applicable/practical to what the average person needs or uses. More advanced levels of mathematics should be provided through higher levels of educational systems. Best schooling is college whereby it’s a co-op course! University is very expensive and it’s based upon theory vs. practicality!
Not everyone is going to enter any of those fields. Children each have passion and talent. But they are steered by the capitalism game ---only to find themselves at 30 and realize their real passion. That should happen earlier instead of mass schooling for 12 years.
A wonderful book that dealt with what you went through with your daughter is "Homeschooling for Excellence" by the Colfax family. It hits home and has helped many folks get into homeschooling.
I never had a real conversation about what I wanted to do as a career until I was 20 and stuck in college generals classes that I hated. The youth of this country deserve better than that.
There is a place for considering a future job or career. Being able to financially support oneself, a family, and to be generous and giving towards others if you are able is important. But, "education" seems to be laser-focused on "career-readiness" and "career-pathways". Mortimer Adler discusses a more balanced approach to education.
I am currently homeschooling my youngest 2 boys, I already homeschooled my older 3 children. The oldest has a good job, with insurance retirement and all. The next oldest is working her way from assistant director to director of a local daycare. The youngest is in college to get her MBA. I am currently also working as a kindergarten teacher in a private kindergarten. We are loosely associated with the local BOE. They scorn my class by calling it a homeschool but I take it as a compliment because my kindergarten kids leave loving learning and discovering.
It's actually unreal how many of your 'lives' and shorts etc I've watched, yet they don't matter one single bit to me as I'm in the UK (Cumbria) . I just love your passion to flag things up and how you approach issues and topics and deal with everything with dignity, empathy (when required) but honesty. We have NOTHING like that here. Your morals are on point and the fact you speak out about them deserves serious respect and admiration. That's why I love watching and listening to you.
The corporatized federal government seems to be trying to generate a worker bees outcome. Corporatists wouldn't want actual, thinking citizens trying to upend their cushy deal of directing everything and gaining all the benefit for themselves.
It goes hand in hand with politicians too, that’s why we see the state of politics we have now. Nobody knows how to get out of their echochambers and talk. We’re learning to follow as a society.
@taramills5747 I agree. Now the move is to shape education for the 4th Industrial Revolution. Not every public was controlled to meet industrial ends. Some schools still educated towards developing a free and independent, thinking populace. Much of my K12 public school education was geared towards this goal.
This enlightens me and yet saddens me that I didn't know this years ago. My son was very smart artistic and so looking forward to school. He was so excited when he went into the first grade but because he is not a rote learner by the third grade he hated school and it was years later at 16 when he was in a state that said that he could quit without his parents permission that he dropped out. He is now doing very well for himself and has a family but I wish that I had known more as a young single mother to be able to help him,
I was allowed to start pre K with my older brother in Australia but I was kept back to stay in the "correct age" grade. Consequently, I hated school. We had no TV and were all early readers. Knowing how to read opens a world of information without the need of a teacher! I also helped in the early grades here in Oregon during the terrible concept of "No Child Left Behind" and Oregon recently lowered the graduation standards to "compensate" for the Covid lockdowns.
When i was in kindergarden my mom was told by the teacher that i was posessed by a demon and basically evil. Fast forward to the mid to late single digits of age, my mom was told by the people involved with my I.E.P. (Because im autistic) that i would'nt be able to be independent and would always need the adult equivalent of a T.S.S. following me around doing everything for me. I was severely limited socially, emotionally, psychologically, and even academically by having a T.S.S. following me around wherever I went in school. Here I am typing this from my own apartment as i contemplate and pontificate on how im going to set up the laboratory in my master bedroom while still affording preps and the bills. So much for their "educated" opinions about me. I definitely don't want my kids deeling with all that after I have them.
Highly recommend the book. “Carry On, Mr. Bowditch” about an indentured servant at the time of the American Revolution. He took his poor circumstances and used them for good. He was a motivated self-learner who was self taught as well as had some mentorship. He is an example in our homeschool of overcoming circumstances we don’t like and using the gifts and desires we have been given to serve a purpose far greater than ourselves.
It is such a releif to hear my greivances from somone other than myself: The public education system for reasons mentioned was an abismal experiance, that has in many ways negatively impacted my life; and it pains me to have ever endured it.
nick Freitas, I worked in a grocery store for 5 years. Good work, enjoyable work conditions, nice. I agree with everything you mentioned about cost. I worked in factories for almost 5 years and that was also a great work environment. How do high school kids experience this and learn the responsibilities of work when the stores truly can’t afford to pay the new minimum wage of today?! I grew up in a family that worked. We lived in a tent for 6 months in N. Cal. because there was no housing. My dad was one man on the 2 man saw and also the 2 man chainsaw. Long hours. He also wore a leather apron (for lack of a name) as he hand loaded 100 lb. Blocks of ice ( carried on his back) onto refrigerator cars (of course they don’t have that today!) Our sons started working (hard work) at 13 at a Christmas Tree farm. They learned the whole system after school and weekends. The children today have no idea of what work entails, nor do they want to work that hard! All 3 boys paid their own way through college by working. They are all successfully employed and are decision makers in their work places.
So I’ve been watching some of these coming out of high demand religion and cult stories as I have JW’s come to my door and I want to know more and the school sounds like their family arrangement BUT with integrity, and self autonomy!!! Not neglect and fear…thanks you for the conversation definitely looking into a new education for my children or if what we have is good and stay!!!! Great questions!
Hi Nick, love your podcast! Would you consider doing an episode to discuss the issue of how special needs & disabled children are stuck in government schooling with VERY little options in private or religious schools? Most parents are told by doctors that we aren't equipped to educate our disabled children, and that if we choose to homeschool them, we are inherently cruel. (An accusation which stops most people from pursuing homeschool for their disabled kids)
To add to the "when do you need math and what do you need it for" part. I do think learning some higher math such as algabra attributes to knowing how to think to figuring out what methode you could use to solve alot of non-math problems in live that other subjects don't provide.
Public education can be outstanding with a balance of broad content, independent and group study, independent and group projects. Too many Americans have abdicated their responsibilities in this arena and the federal government and NGOs have interfered too much. NCLB really ended up pushing mass production onto schools with the added emphasis on creating "career-ready" worker bees instead of free people who can shoulder the duties of living in a constitutional republic. Give people ideas and knowledge and what it means to be human to wrestle with and the skills to be independent and you will get people who can engage with the world. The Founders had that.
I just realized how old i am. We had applied classes. Shop, Auto, Welding, Ag, Future Farmers...We learned at home as well. Its now been defined once it needed to be put back. God bless
Again! You have combined your great podcast with one of my favorite people! Love hearing Matt’s passion for education and for raising up the next generations.
I know a man who is self-taught through curiousity. I can't compare to his practical and theoretical knowledge. I have heard we teach our children to the level romans taught their slaves. ... food for thought.
How well we teach our kids is, in part, is up to the parents and the community and how much they are paying attention to the curriculum and quality of teaching and the philosophy of the leadership. Yes, the federal and state governments and NGOs and sure mess things up, but, really, how much are we the people trying to effect change for the better in our public schools? How often do we actually carefully review our own school? How often do we leave that to the administrators (who get steered by NGOs)?
Everyone is always worried when you say you want to homeschool your own child about their ' socialization' yet my sons school literally separated him in 3rd grade from his friends he made in 2nd the next year purposely they told me bc they were too disruptive to the class.... 😞 So why do people think they won't have socialization when school doesn't even support that?
That was so good! I was a teacher before having kids, and since having them I knew I didn’t want them in public school, but could never like really articulate why. This was so helpful and I LOVE this idea and am excited to see what else these people do!
I am a retired public school teacher from Texas. I am only 17 minutes into this video and not sure if I will listen to the end. I was duped thinking I was going to be teaching “critical thinking” skills when I graduated from college. Once you are in the system you have no voice to make change beyond your own classroom. You are stuck in the dogma forrest screaming for change, but no admin or district superintendent gives you any serious thought. You settle in to your learned helplesness role to survive. The cream doesn’t rise to the top in public education, mostly the corrupt BS artists become your overlords. Literacy equals page count. By that I mean the more you read the better reader and the more literate you become. I watched the internet and cell phones arrive while teaching 5th graders. I witnessed cell phones and easy access to video games tank literacy. When I first started teaching if there was one kid in the whole school with autism she or he, was the whisper conversation of the teacher’s lounge. Now days every classroom has one or two kids with autism. Special ed students have also increased greatly over the years. Why? Forced inclusion of Sped students in a regular ed classroom drags the pace of learning down no matter how talented the teacher may be and adds twenty layers of stress to the teacher that untimately short-changes the brightest students in the class. Federal law requires Sped students to be placed in a “least restrictive environment” which is great for them and not great for talented bright students. Intellegent kids’ learning needs are absolutely not being met in the current public school setting. Friends of mine who are still teaching have told me about the whole new layer of issues caused by young 6, 7, and 8 year olds who got the covid jab and boosters and the learning disabilities it seems to be causing.
It's because of how the brain develops. There's certain development milestones that if you miss... it becomes much harder to learn. The brain path ways needed to acquire the skills. A lot of the way we structure education is based off of this.
@pdxmusl1510 I agree to an extent. Kids do not have to start reading and actual writing at age 5 (K) or they'll be lost. Coloring, cutting, and other fine motor skills, yes, those should be happening. Reading, too, does not have to start in K. Some kids are not ready. Other than my parents reading to me, I did not start learning to read or write til first grade. Kindergarten was mostly play,guided with intention (aimed to develop fine motor skills, self-control, exploration).
@@stephencooper5040 Some still is. It can return to excellence if people pay attention. If we run away from the problems in public schools, we are effectively running away from our nation. Schools, in large part, are where we educate future full-fledged Americans. How should Americans be built? You have ideas on this, as does Mortimer Adler, E.D. Hirsch, Neil Postman, and Susan Wise Bauer.
I'm not a fan of public schools but these alternative school advocates never talk about the fact that when a student struggles with their system they just reject them. As do most private schools. Public schools don't have that option.
Yep. And, the effect of charter schools on the republic and taxpayers. They break down the system of representation and election and oversight. They effectively equal taxation without representation. Americans are being sold fascism. If a charter school fails, it fails with public dollars that had no representation or oversight by the community. Private gain, public loss.
I like the comparison between car prices and school tuition. I have no interest in spending $50,000+ on a vehicle that isn't going to last the rest of my lifetime (maybe 10 years) however I wouldn't mind spending that on my childs tuition. Also I wish I could have gone to a school like as a kid. It would have worked much better with how I learn things.
The quality of the school needs teachers with a creative, knowledgeable, dynamic, liberty-minded philosophy. But, the quality of the schools depends a great deal on the people who live in the community. Can teachers and the leadership of the administrators and the school board help guide this spirit? Yes. But so much depends upon the people paying attention to what is taught, how it is taught, and what is communicated about the WHY of education and broad knowledge.
I’d love to know though… I have 2 kiddos that are 100% sure they are going D1 for baseball and football. I feel like to hit these huge goals there are certain parameters that must be hit. I feel like we are in a box with NCAA rules and requirements to be a student-athlete. Backstory… we do homeschool and have since 2020 in our 4th year and going strong. I LOVE the freedoms we have doing it, even though we are in a state that has some pretty tough laws for homeschoolers. We are making do! Anyway… any guidance with that would be awesome!
Corey DeAngelis, the director of school choice at Reason Foundation has been leading the charge. The movement of funding students not institutions would allow money to go to alternative choices like homeschool or Apogee Strong.
I studied Special Education and have taught for a few years and can say from experience that the problem is societal. Reforms are coming into teacher training and the public schools, but are being hindered by poverty and inequitable government/tax funding. Schools in poor rural and inner city communities are still caught in a vicious cycle where their funding depends on property taxes and standardized test scores. Kids do poorly because of less respurces to begin with, hyperfocus on testing to keep the school open, and problems at home/in the community because of the breakdown in morals and family. Teachers literally lose their jobs over trying to deviate from curriculums that do the bare minimum of good, or in some cases, more harm than good. To be fair, many teachers also fail when they try deviate because of the intense stress they're under from lack of planning time, responding to student violence/mental health crises, poor parenting, etc. To the degree where it seems like the canned curriculum is the better option because there is a small measure of success. It is so demoralizing because we are told we can be part of the change and reform in college, staff meetings, conferences, etc., and then are held to such a double standard in practice. Many levels of reform have to happen, and I believe it's possible. I don't think privatization and home schooling is the best answer for everyone. Does doing the best you can for your kids comes through merit of wealth? Do you have more merit as a human being and a parent if you have money or one spouse who works so the other who can homeschool? People must have worked really hard for that, yes. But what about the people working 60+ hours a week at minimum wage? What about single parents? Do they have less merit because they sacrifice and sacrifice, but still can't pay tuition? Scholarships can cover some families, but not the majority. If some countries have more successful public school education systems than ours, let's look at what they are doing publicly as a society. Can we make more of that happen in our public schools? Only if we pressure our govornments and districts to make changes beyond lip service. Will it be perfect? No.
I am a software engineer with a masters degree, and I have been programming professionally for 10 years. I have not once needed to use algebra at my job.
How does this work for charter schools? They seem like they have values and old school beliefs, standing for the flag respect etc. for some reason I have this feeling that it may not be what everyone else thinks about them.
Education needs to balance building independence and having a cohesive connection to American society. We need a blend of the same stories and knowledge and our own, individual stories and knowledge. They should have some degree to overlap.
One problem with the current US school system is the quality of teacher. About a decade ago, I checked some research on this, and found the average IQ of K-12 teachers was 102. This is almost dead-on average. If you understand normal distribution, and factor in the probability that teachers of high school are pulling up the mean (average), you're probably holding your breath right now as you consider the quality of mind of elementary teachers today. Makes you wonder how the hell these people get into teachers' college these days. It does, however, help explain the crushing of creativity and high intelligence that goes on in schools: Teacher doesn't recognize intelligence or creativity.
Why do you assume the HS teachers are brighter lot more of them teaching classes other than STEM. An argument could be made the smart ones refuse to teach the teens as they are the most difficult to deal with
@garyshan7239 My professional background allows me to assume a lot of things with a high level of certainty. When possible, I test my assumptions. You assume either the opposite, or that Kindergarten teachers have, on average, the same IQ as teachers of high school. Which is it, and why the assumption?
@@rubynibs so you get to pontificated then when asked why you feel what you claim is fact is fact you counter with you are an unsubstantiated subject matter expert who then demands I explain myself!?!
I like John Taylor Gatto. I have read The Underground History... I think Dewey is very complicated and sometimes contradictory and that his followers, like Kilpatrick if you read Hirsch, carried Dewey's torch very badly.
As a successful student from the 70-80's public school system, and largely successful in life (as I presume the two of you are as well), I find this conversation interesting and frankly I want the data that shows that the school models suggested in this video are actually successful at producing quality....hmmm...outcomes?... people? Too often the soft metrics inspired by these models, leads to confusion. I will look into these schools and do some research. I have a son who could benefit from a more hands on approach to learning, while I prefer didactic academic learning.
I immediately disregard any “freedom loving educator “ when he talks about making all his money in the system to then get out and sell “ his system.” Also he invokes Tim Kennedy. The infamous freedom lover who said “I believe gun control is a massive soliton.” This was a big swing and a miss. Snake oil politics
I wish there was a homeschooling for dummies lol. I am homeschool my son, and going to move to do the same with my two younger kids. It’s scary getting started homeschooling. Not knowing what to do to best help our kids. I just need someone to say here do this and I’ll do it. :)
Im a substitute school RN for a public school system outside Birmingham AL. The more affluent suburbs have a great public school system with good old southern values. It is NOT woke at all. However, Birmingham city schools are dreadful! Nobody feels safe working in the inner city & the staff, as a result, is of a different caliber of educators than what I've seen in the suburbs
Everyone on a school board has to live in that district. I can think of excellent school directors whose children have long since graduated, but they loved education and believed a super education should be available for all children. That should be the criteria. Having kids is not enough to make a person a thoughtful school director. Also, maybe a parent is infuriated with the quality of education, has pulled their kids, but sticks around to try to fix the system.
It depends on how people are taught. Segmenting time aids efficiency and organization. The content and manner of teaching can either produce factory workers/soldiers or people who can think, wonder, know, communicate, and do. The culture of the school and community influences this heavily. What does our federal government push? Workers and soldiers. What does the 4th industrial revolution want? Workers.
Listen to "Sold a Story" It tells why our kids aren't proficient in reading. Very eye opening. There is also a documentary called "The Right to Read" also needs to be spread far and wide.
46:13 since you're talking about Idaho - or choose any very conservative state : can we stop sending money to D.C. just so they can spend it on salaries for de-education, and then send a small portion back with strings attached?
49:58 uh, yeah! Why do government schools hire janitors? Why aren't students cleaning up after themselves? It's pretty obvious how much less destruction would happen, and how much money that would save!
Some things could be stuff kids can do, but if a kid throws up in the middle of class, a janitor can help with that. Same for evening and weekend duties (sports, plays, etc).
I have no use for the public schools. When my son was 6 years old, they said he was brain-damaged & unteachable. That man has been a paramedic for more than 20 years. He is also the assistant chief of his 911 service. I homeschooled him successfully.
Amen 👍😎🙏
It always annoys me, because I’ve known some teachers who saw something like this in a lot of special Ed kids who were actually really smart and bored in schools, but they were extremely ableist and did not support the kids whatsoever. Not to mention their “theories” don’t hold up with these kids. It’s apparently became a cult of this stuff so a lot of teachers are leaving.
Bless you 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I had a similar experience with my oldest daughter..except I had been told BY THE SCHOOL what to expect. We homeschooled her from the beginning. She will graduate next year with her associates in business, and has been on the Dean's list every semester!
The down side of private education is you have to pay for it while also paying for the public education at the same time
Farm kids raised in the country have an advantage. They are taught to be more responsible and productive and creative at a much younger age. If the livestock isn't fed they die. Crops need specific care. Learning about marketing is a necessity or everything else is for naught. I drove a tractor at age 6 and so did my neighbor kid. Besides that, they have the opportunity to explore and appreciate nature. I could go on and on. Parents lead by example,
We had things learning was a must. Our lives were a nonstop learning process. We had to concentrate or someone would get hurt. How many times were you told to pull your head out of your ass? Lol...yes, I wasn't y'all enough until 8 for the tractors but I did hoe many rows. It's fundamental and I wish there was a way to bring it with us.
We just pulled our daughter from public school officially at the end of the school day today. We aren't rich. I just work from home. We created a game plan, and we, as parents, will be teaching our daughter. No more of the public school brainwashing agendas, stifled creativity, structured play instead of free play, etc. We are so very happy! ❤🎉
As a mom homeschooling 4 kids ranging from 13 to 2 I often feel guilty for not doing "school". I am a recovering former school teacher. 😅 But lately my 9 year old spends most of her day sewing, crocheting and baking. We do school, through memorization and she reads and writes well, however she gets so overwhelmed with the "paper school" tasks. Thank you for the reminder that the "school model" isn't best.
Same here with 4 kiddos 12-3yo. We LOVE five in a row for the “school work”!!!
I was a public education teacher for 15 yrs (middle school & college levels). I walked away from it in 2015 when I was being forced to stop teaching students tools they could use throughout their lives to teaching them precreated lesson plans with no direction. I was tired of fighting the education system and being forced through intentional decisions to eliminate those “old fashioned” teachers to retire or quit.
I’m now a pyrography artist happy as a clam but miss making a difference in young learners lives.
I saw the same thing happening when I taught middle school math. I was told I had to teach to fill in formulas. The students were so much more capable than just filling in formulas, and that included my special Ed students as well as my general Ed students. Seeing students engaged in learning is much more rewarding.
A Christian accusing schools of indoctrination is the height of hypocrisy. Stop grooming children Christians.
The great thing here is that even if they do not become entrepreneurs they understand what the business owner does and how to be a non-entitled employee.
Been a teacher for 20 years. I’ve been saying since the 2nd or 3rd year that I’m not smart enough to design a more destructive system. I’ve been trying to help as much as possible to the kids I teach, but it’s holding back the tide with a sieve.
A Christian accusing schools of indoctrination is the height of hypocrisy. Stop grooming children Christians.
“Dumbing us down” John Taylor Gatto
Thank you! I missed Gatto's name, so your comment made my life easier. ❤ 💋
Loved that book!
A Christian accusing schools of indoctrination is the height of hypocrisy. Stop grooming children Christians.
Weapons of Mass Instruction - also by Gotto
An incredible exposition-love this book
My 5 yo son got mad at me last night for something and told my wife I wasn't nice. I told him I wasn't there to be nice, I was there to make sure he learned how to survive and take care of himself. My sincerest goal as a parent is that my kids will be able, willing, and inclined to take of themselves and others. I believe that if they are capable and committed they will find their own path to happiness and success, whatever that looks like. As a parent I know it is my responsibility to teach them morals, critical thinking, and ultimately my responsibility to ensure they have whatever tools they need to make it in the world. Whatever education system we decide to employ, I know we are choosing a tool and that final authority and responsibility must reside with the parents.
Now, please open an Apogee school in north Idaho/CDA area.
When Matt started talking about the pre-pre school for kids, and that’s how you get them ready for college at two, that hit me hard. My 3 year old toddler is a smart little guys, and loves reading and being read to. I’m extraordinarily hesitant about him in preschool because I don’t want to crush that love and send him to a place might do it. Definitely looking into homeschooling.
You don’t need pre-school. Kids are more influenced negatively by their peers at that age on parents pursuit of socialization.
We homeschool and it’s incredible! 💯 tailored learning and my children are close to one another and kind humans.
Go with Homeschooling. It seems you’re a parent that has a great interest in their children I think you will be disappointed if you do not homeschool.
We were so very worried and it’s turned out to be the best thing for our family and each individual kid’s education. You will be miles ahead by homeschooling. Go with it with confidence and do not be afraid to change/tweek things as you go. Your kids will love it and have a great relationship with parent.
And the truth is a dang 3 year old doesn't even need all that. Just play and book reading. The institutions wants to get that federal funding as soon as possible with butts in seats. That means they pretend a 3 year old needs to be woken up at 7 am to get to "school" for 8 ---to be away from mommy for at least 4 hours---but most places it's ALL DAY !! AT THREE!!
I’ve been a proud public middle school teacher for 22 years. I would never share my political or religious beliefs with my students. I encourage them to think for themselves, and to take pride in their work.
My question is, did you show them politics? Did you show them what their platform is verses what they do.
I agree with the other comment about know what the parties stand for, but we adults know that the political parties do not represent what they use to. As for religion, it teaches morals. If you want immoral students, omit religion. The boomer generation was raised at an early age starting their day with a pledge of allegiance and a morning prayer in their elementary levels. But since then, religion has been removed from schools and students have become so much more unruly. I'm not having the federal government dictate the morals of my children. Students are in school to learn. Not to be indoctrinated by aggressive gay students into a gay lifestyle by peer pressure while the federal government ties the hands of the parent. Young children are impressionable and easily confused. If they choose a gay lifestyle as an adult, it is acceptable, but I oppose a lifestyle being impressed upon my children before they mature enough to consider all of the pros and cons of the lifestyle. I might remind you, Hitler indoctrinated young children that killed many people in the World wars.
Schools nowadays came to be from the Prussian model...
"I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers" - John D. Rockefeller
You learned in a corrupt school system before lgbt pushed their narrative. There might me something your teaching that is wrong and don't know about it.
@@russhoover6768 wait...now you want a teacher teaching politics...okay.
And the libraries are getting rid of the books that are deemed outdated throwing out history and science material. I was told all will be digital and the need for libraries are no longer relevant. Guess like the library of Alexandria all will be lost
As a mom who homeschooled her kids I quickly decided that grading was pointless for us because I was not going to have my children move ahead until they fully understood what they were learning. I also did not drag along a subject that was too easy for them, so they went through school at their own pace not by grade level.
I understand the reason why the schools need to use it when they need to push kids through like they are on a conveyor belt. If you think about it they could just give the kids a pass or fail not a grade because as long as they get above a certain percentage (grade) they get pushed through. They don't care that some of the kids barely understood what they were taught and others were bored to death because it was too easy for them.
I taught math to tradesmen for 8 years. They need their basic arithmetic (+-x/), fractions, decimals, basic geometry, proportions, area estimation techniques, and basic trig. Teaching math WITH the practical applications helps greatly with retention.
Why am I learning algebra? I will never use it! Yes you will, in any blue collar job. You will do it and not define it.
Creatively insubordinate. I love it! Describes my entire teaching career!
On my 6th year homeschooling. The first year, when we pulled them from private school, I was so nervous I was going to screw them up. Making that first leap into homeschooling is scary but it’s so worth it.
I, since the age of 9, have been a student of German history 1920 - 1945. I truly wish the teachers would read how the Germans educated the kids in 1933 - 1945. If they read what was and how it was implemented. It should scare them because they are following thier playbook!
Some places did. Once upon a time I learned about the Hitler Youth.
Swing Kids, a great movie, touches on this subject and the insidiousness of it.
Babylon Berlin has the National Socialist youth in it, predating Hitler.
What amazes me is how Communists can also be Nazis while claiming to hate both.
The history has been changed until it's soft. I don't understand until you look at the agenda. I just started buying books.
I think we are going to see a mass exodus from the public school systems around the country. Parents are angry about this issue. I think the teachers have not recognized how the gay community has lobbied to have the federal government force the schools into this indoctrination program. If they weren't so busy, they might recognize the danger of Biden's school decision. It's obvious that the teachers are voting for only the sake of money by the way they applauded at Biden's speech. It told me one thing about teachers. It told me that money was more important to the teachers than my child was important to them.
The constant bombardment from technology is the absolute biggest problem facing schools. If we have any hope fixing schools, it's going to come from getting rid of chromebooks and forcing kids to put their phones in lockers. We also need to give kids the agency to make the decision to fail. If a kid checks out and fails out of primary or secondary school, then there should be a babysitting program for them so their parents can still work.
This is what my youngest needs. Desperately. It's to the point that I HATE sending him to school, even though as far as public schools go, it's one of the few good ones. They are working with us and I am actively working with them. He can do all the work. Easily. So easily it freaks me out a bit. He just can't make himself sit there and do it. He is miserable. Sadly because of this, he has no friends. All he wants is the socialization right now (1st grade). He needs the interactions and excitement. Not the factory worker machine. Oddly I think he already knows what he wants to do. He actually focuses when he is able to build with wood. So much so that he has an apprenticeship waiting for him with a carpenter (my best friend, who picked up on it immediately because he was exactly the same way) when he turns 16 if he wants it. I want to homeschool him and have been looking into it but I get overwhelmed.
You Can Do It! I started homeschooling this year, and one thing that keeps me motivated ( outside of God’s grace) is seeing my children’s progress and learning what they are good at/ interested in. It’s not easy, but very rewarding and there are amazing resources. I would suggest an open and go curriculum at first or for the duration, depending on your needs. It takes out all of the guesswork and ensures a well rounded education ,which you can supplement as you see fit. Look into your states homeschool laws and take it from there. Hope that helps some, praying for the best.
Do make the jump. It seems daunting, but it is easier than you think and 100% worth it.
Poor kids just need to run around and play at that age. Best of luck!
@melissaskaggs7229 - we tried montessori for our 1st grader with undiagnosed but most likely ADHD, and it did not work. 30 kids in class with too much freedom to move around led to too much wasted time during the schoolday and not learning anything. Also we will not drug our kid, will never do it. ADHD drugs are for easier classroom management. Never for the benefit of the child. Teacher had too many kids to give him 1:1 attention, so we started homeschooling. Best decision we ever made. He is happy and doing well with Singapore Math.
Why wait until 16? Build him a kid area with wood and use that as an actor to TEACH ALL THE SUBJECTS AT HOME. Hey son let's build a bird house, here are the instructions we need to READ Hey son we need to measure these pieces of wood and ADD it together .
By the time he's been in Institutional education until 16---it will have destroyed that talent and passion. Hell be another Instagram addicted lump who doesn't care about anything because he was forced to do so much academia against his CLEAR talent.
I've tried to be an involved parent my kids in public school. We're not choosing to be disengaged we are prohibited from engaging. My 8 old daughter wanted me to shadow her. I was already at the school for a school event this class event ended. She wanted me to go to her next class with her and sit through it quietly sat down in the back of the classroom. Not interacting just watching, The teacher texted the principal to have the text principle remove me from the classroom. So I could leave to come back in an hour to pick her up for the end of the day.
I believe it
Find the policy that allows you to be in a classroom. You have a right to see inside even the classrooms your tax dollars support.
As a public school board member who homeschooled our daughter without any government assistance, I appreciate this conversation.
Public school absolutely taught me to hate learning, at least in a formal setting. It was a damn shame because like most children I was always naturally curious & enthusiastic. School beat the enthusiasm & curiosity right out of my soul. I was miserable. I remember dreading every single morning I woke up going back to that place & being forced to sit down, shut up, & learn X subject. If I were allowed to learn & persue the sujects that had captivated my interests that day, things would have gone much differently for me. I never had any agency over what I was going to learn, so I rejected classes in general & just became a shadow on the wall filled with boredom & resentment for the system I was forced to partake in.
As I got older & graduated, I was able to enter the workforce. I was immediately happier in the workforce than in school. I got to choose where I wanted to work, & what I wanted to do. I enjoyed being compensated for my efforts, & being able to learn an industry & its inner workings. Obviously adult life has its ups & downs but I am much happier as a working adult than I was as a kid in school. I wish that I could advocate for the kids who are like me when I was in school, & help get them out of that hell hole they call public school. There are vastly superior ways to educate children than locking them in what feels like a prison for 8 hours per day.
Sorry your experience was so awful. Not all public schools are terrible. I was lucky, I guess because I had an excellent experience. Teachers encouraged individual inquiry, there was a balance of class discussion, small group discussion, group projects, and, my favorite, individual projects. The teachers wanted us to know about the world, past and present, and to explore our interests as well as what you need to know to be broadly and well-educated and to have learned about the Great Ideas and Great Works of the world, all while emphasizing what you Ned to know as an American. Are/were there holes in my education? Yes, but it was a pretty solid education overall, one that can be built upon without much foundation work.
My oldest daughter went to public school her whole school years. Then last August we pulled/signed her out of school and started homeschooling her because she had anxiety so bad that she was throwing up almost everyday (not due to a sickness and not due to an eating disorder we checked with doctor) she just had really bad anxiety. She then in October I signed her up to take GED classes and now this month (February) she is going to be taking the final test to graduate to get her high school equivalent. Public school said she was terrible at math but when she went to the classes for the high school equivalent (GED) she was doing excellent they told her she is great at math. She was doing math her way but getting the correct answers. I guess public school said she was bad at math because she was not doing it the way they wanted her to do it. I believe that it doesn't matter how you do the math as long as you get the correct answers, and that's the way her teacher at her GED classes see it too.
As someone who was really good at school, one of the things I was surprised at as a adult...I don’t feel like I really know something unless I've taken a class on it. I need that grade and piece of paper at the end to feel confident talking about it. That's nonsense!
That is a common phenomenon today. It is the opinion of many people that you cannot have an opinion on any particular subject unless you have a degree in it or some kind of BS certification. It is so bizarre. We live in the information era, where we have access to pretty much any information we would ever need at the touch of a button, but yet apparently no one knows anything about any particular subject without the approval of a piece of paper? Bizarre.
High-ranking politicians visit a school. The top one goes over the expenses and decides to make adjustments to cut costs.
"The lunch portions are too big. Cut them in half. Internet connection too fast. There are too many computers."
After that, they go to a preschool. Again, the expenses are too great.
"The lunch portions are too big. Reduce them to half. There are too many toys around."
After the preschool, they go to a prison.
"The lunch portions are too small, and the selection is too limited. Get faster broadband and more comfortable beds. TVs are too old. Get a few consoles as well."
One of them asks the leader, baffled:
\- Are you mad? We just cut costs in schools and prechools, and now you do this?
\- My friend! We will never go to school or preschool again. But we can still easily end up here...
😂
A insightful tale lol
Funny joke, but federal educational expenditures have increased, and far outpacing inflation, since Reagan took office. Kamala Harris lied straight to the press corps complaining about educational cuts. Of course no one forced her to correct the falsehood. I went to the US Dept of Ed website and the historical funding is right there. Only one year did the budget get cut to a level less than previous year+inflation, and had recouped that "loss" in just three years.
I was in the secondary education program at my college to become a high school art teacher. I was homeschooled myself. I didn’t even get through the first half of my first quarter in the actual classroom before I knew I could never, EVER, thrive in that model. I am now a stay-at-home mom, joyfully teaching my 6 children as well as teaching drama and music in our thriving homeschool co-op.
I love this all so very much. I homeschool pretty much the same way. We learn life and job skills and the academics are integrated through those lessons. Today my 11 year old is starting a stop motion animation project. She will be writing out a script (based on a history event), creating a story board, and make time management schedules. She will also be recording it herself as well. She's super excited to do this. I'm super excited to help her.
Great conversation!!!
Mathematics is needed for research, accounting, engineering, financing, etc. If we look at the high school system as providing advanced levels of mathematics, we are poorly mistaken.
Would be nice if the high school systems could provide mathematics applicable/practical to what the average person needs or uses. More advanced levels of mathematics should be provided through higher levels of educational systems.
Best schooling is college whereby it’s a co-op course! University is very expensive and it’s based upon theory vs. practicality!
Not everyone is going to enter any of those fields. Children each have passion and talent. But they are steered by the capitalism game ---only to find themselves at 30 and realize their real passion. That should happen earlier instead of mass schooling for 12 years.
EXACTLY! I have been preaching this since I was a Junior in High School back in 1987.
A wonderful book that dealt with what you went through with your daughter is "Homeschooling for Excellence" by the Colfax family. It hits home and has helped many folks get into homeschooling.
I never had a real conversation about what I wanted to do as a career until I was 20 and stuck in college generals classes that I hated. The youth of this country deserve better than that.
There is a place for considering a future job or career. Being able to financially support oneself, a family, and to be generous and giving towards others if you are able is important. But, "education" seems to be laser-focused on "career-readiness" and "career-pathways". Mortimer Adler discusses a more balanced approach to education.
I am currently homeschooling my youngest 2 boys, I already homeschooled my older 3 children. The oldest has a good job, with insurance retirement and all. The next oldest is working her way from assistant director to director of a local daycare. The youngest is in college to get her MBA. I am currently also working as a kindergarten teacher in a private kindergarten. We are loosely associated with the local BOE. They scorn my class by calling it a homeschool but I take it as a compliment because my kindergarten kids leave loving learning and discovering.
It's actually unreal how many of your 'lives' and shorts etc I've watched, yet they don't matter one single bit to me as I'm in the UK (Cumbria) .
I just love your passion to flag things up and how you approach issues and topics and deal with everything with dignity, empathy (when required) but honesty.
We have NOTHING like that here.
Your morals are on point and the fact you speak out about them deserves serious respect and admiration.
That's why I love watching and listening to you.
The corporatized federal government seems to be trying to generate a worker bees outcome. Corporatists wouldn't want actual, thinking citizens trying to upend their cushy deal of directing everything and gaining all the benefit for themselves.
It goes hand in hand with politicians too, that’s why we see the state of politics we have now. Nobody knows how to get out of their echochambers and talk. We’re learning to follow as a society.
@@josepharmstrong6429
Except for Nick! :)
This has gone on since the 1800's
@taramills5747
I agree. Now the move is to shape education for the 4th Industrial Revolution.
Not every public was controlled to meet industrial ends. Some schools still educated towards developing a free and independent, thinking populace. Much of my K12 public school education was geared towards this goal.
This enlightens me and yet saddens me that I didn't know this years ago. My son was very smart artistic and so looking forward to school. He was so excited when he went into the first grade but because he is not a rote learner by the third grade he hated school and it was years later at 16 when he was in a state that said that he could quit without his parents permission that he dropped out. He is now doing very well for himself and has a family but I wish that I had known more as a young single mother to be able to help him,
I love how they were talking about collaborative play and learning through play. I wish they had this in the uk
I was allowed to start pre K with my older brother in Australia but I was kept back to stay in the "correct age" grade. Consequently, I hated school. We had no TV and were all early readers. Knowing how to read opens a world of information without the need of a teacher! I also helped in the early grades here in Oregon during the terrible concept of "No Child Left Behind" and Oregon recently lowered the graduation standards to "compensate" for the Covid lockdowns.
My childhood public school district taught us to question and research and to seek our own destinies. It can be done.
A rare school where was that ?
Dutch school?
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American Midwest. Post-NCLB, though, the curriculum lost its classical edge and Great Works.
Yes now they are teaching BLM curriculum with trans affirmation books!
I went to a charter school from 2000-2012 that did the same. Unfortunately, schools aren’t like that anymore.
When i was in kindergarden my mom was told by the teacher that i was posessed by a demon and basically evil. Fast forward to the mid to late single digits of age, my mom was told by the people involved with my I.E.P. (Because im autistic) that i would'nt be able to be independent and would always need the adult equivalent of a T.S.S. following me around doing everything for me. I was severely limited socially, emotionally, psychologically, and even academically by having a T.S.S. following me around wherever I went in school. Here I am typing this from my own apartment as i contemplate and pontificate on how im going to set up the laboratory in my master bedroom while still affording preps and the bills. So much for their "educated" opinions about me. I definitely don't want my kids deeling with all that after I have them.
Highly recommend the book. “Carry On, Mr. Bowditch” about an indentured servant at the time of the American Revolution. He took his poor circumstances and used them for good. He was a motivated self-learner who was self taught as well as had some mentorship. He is an example in our homeschool of overcoming circumstances we don’t like and using the gifts and desires we have been given to serve a purpose far greater than ourselves.
It is such a releif to hear my greivances from somone other than myself: The public education system for reasons mentioned was an abismal experiance, that has in many ways negatively impacted my life; and it pains me to have ever endured it.
nick Freitas, I worked in a grocery store for 5 years. Good work, enjoyable work conditions, nice. I agree with everything you mentioned about cost. I worked in factories for almost 5 years and that was also a great work environment. How do high school kids experience this and learn the responsibilities of work when the stores truly can’t afford to pay the new minimum wage of today?! I grew up in a family that worked. We lived in a tent for 6 months in N. Cal. because there was no housing. My dad was one man on the 2 man saw and also the 2 man chainsaw. Long hours. He also wore a leather apron (for lack of a name) as he hand loaded 100 lb. Blocks of ice ( carried on his back) onto refrigerator cars (of course they don’t have that today!) Our sons started working (hard work) at 13 at a Christmas Tree farm. They learned the whole system after school and weekends. The children today have no idea of what work entails, nor do they want to work that hard! All 3 boys paid their own way through college by working. They are all successfully employed and are decision makers in their work places.
So I’ve been watching some of these coming out of high demand religion and cult stories as I have JW’s come to my door and I want to know more and the school sounds like their family arrangement BUT with integrity, and self autonomy!!! Not neglect and fear…thanks you for the conversation definitely looking into a new education for my children or if what we have is good and stay!!!! Great questions!
Hi Nick, love your podcast! Would you consider doing an episode to discuss the issue of how special needs & disabled children are stuck in government schooling with VERY little options in private or religious schools? Most parents are told by doctors that we aren't equipped to educate our disabled children, and that if we choose to homeschool them, we are inherently cruel. (An accusation which stops most people from pursuing homeschool for their disabled kids)
Nick Freitas ... FOR PRESIDENT!!!
To add to the "when do you need math and what do you need it for" part. I do think learning some higher math such as algabra attributes to knowing how to think to figuring out what methode you could use to solve alot of non-math problems in live that other subjects don't provide.
Thank you !
Public education can be outstanding with a balance of broad content, independent and group study, independent and group projects. Too many Americans have abdicated their responsibilities in this arena and the federal government and NGOs have interfered too much. NCLB really ended up pushing mass production onto schools with the added emphasis on creating "career-ready" worker bees instead of free people who can shoulder the duties of living in a constitutional republic. Give people ideas and knowledge and what it means to be human to wrestle with and the skills to be independent and you will get people who can engage with the world. The Founders had that.
I just realized how old i am. We had applied classes. Shop, Auto, Welding, Ag, Future Farmers...We learned at home as well. Its now been defined once it needed to be put back. God bless
Again! You have combined your great podcast with one of my favorite people! Love hearing Matt’s passion for education and for raising up the next generations.
I know a man who is self-taught through curiousity. I can't compare to his practical and theoretical knowledge.
I have heard we teach our children to the level romans taught their slaves. ... food for thought.
How well we teach our kids is, in part, is up to the parents and the community and how much they are paying attention to the curriculum and quality of teaching and the philosophy of the leadership.
Yes, the federal and state governments and NGOs and sure mess things up, but, really, how much are we the people trying to effect change for the better in our public schools? How often do we actually carefully review our own school? How often do we leave that to the administrators (who get steered by NGOs)?
I need a short of what he just said about the free food with poison in it!!!
Everyone is always worried when you say you want to homeschool your own child about their ' socialization' yet my sons school literally separated him in 3rd grade from his friends he made in 2nd the next year purposely they told me bc they were too disruptive to the class.... 😞 So why do people think they won't have socialization when school doesn't even support that?
That was so good! I was a teacher before having kids, and since having them I knew I didn’t want them in public school, but could never like really articulate why. This was so helpful and I LOVE this idea and am excited to see what else these people do!
Love it! Mentorship
I am a retired public school teacher from Texas. I am only 17 minutes into this video and not sure if I will listen to the end. I was duped thinking I was going to be teaching “critical
thinking” skills when I graduated from college. Once you are in the system you have no voice to make change beyond your own classroom. You are stuck in the dogma forrest screaming for change, but no admin or district superintendent gives you any serious thought. You settle in to your learned helplesness role to survive. The cream doesn’t rise to the top in public education, mostly the corrupt BS artists become your overlords.
Literacy equals page count. By that I mean the more you read the better reader and the more literate you become. I watched the internet and cell phones arrive while teaching 5th graders. I witnessed cell phones and easy access to video games tank literacy.
When I first started teaching if there was one kid in the whole school with autism she or he, was the whisper conversation of the teacher’s lounge. Now days every classroom has one or two kids with autism. Special ed students have also increased greatly over the years. Why? Forced inclusion of Sped students in a regular ed classroom drags the pace of learning down no matter how talented the teacher may be and adds twenty layers of stress to the teacher that untimately short-changes the brightest students in the class. Federal law requires Sped students to be placed in a “least restrictive environment” which is great for them and not great for talented bright students. Intellegent kids’ learning needs are absolutely not being met in the current public school setting. Friends of mine who are still teaching have told me about the whole new layer of issues caused by young 6, 7, and 8 year olds who got the covid jab and boosters and the learning disabilities it seems to be causing.
The Federal government plays a big role in pushing kids to start academics as early as possible
Big difference in education and indoctrination
It’s funny that you would call what they do “academics” still after everything we’ve learned since 2020.
It's because of how the brain develops. There's certain development milestones that if you miss... it becomes much harder to learn. The brain path ways needed to acquire the skills. A lot of the way we structure education is based off of this.
@pdxmusl1510
I agree to an extent. Kids do not have to start reading and actual writing at age 5 (K) or they'll be lost. Coloring, cutting, and other fine motor skills, yes, those should be happening. Reading, too, does not have to start in K. Some kids are not ready. Other than my parents reading to me, I did not start learning to read or write til first grade. Kindergarten was mostly play,guided with intention (aimed to develop fine motor skills, self-control, exploration).
@@stephencooper5040
Some still is. It can return to excellence if people pay attention. If we run away from the problems in public schools, we are effectively running away from our nation. Schools, in large part, are where we educate future full-fledged Americans. How should Americans be built? You have ideas on this, as does Mortimer Adler, E.D. Hirsch, Neil Postman, and Susan Wise Bauer.
I'm not a fan of public schools but these alternative school advocates never talk about the fact that when a student struggles with their system they just reject them. As do most private schools. Public schools don't have that option.
Yep. And, the effect of charter schools on the republic and taxpayers. They break down the system of representation and election and oversight. They effectively equal taxation without representation. Americans are being sold fascism. If a charter school fails, it fails with public dollars that had no representation or oversight by the community. Private gain, public loss.
Thanks Nick and Matt.
Great info mah chachos
I like the comparison between car prices and school tuition. I have no interest in spending $50,000+ on a vehicle that isn't going to last the rest of my lifetime (maybe 10 years) however I wouldn't mind spending that on my childs tuition.
Also I wish I could have gone to a school like as a kid. It would have worked much better with how I learn things.
Thank you.
Hey other fans, just logging on. Is this prerecorded, or is this currently live and able to respond to comments?
The quality of the school needs teachers with a creative, knowledgeable, dynamic, liberty-minded philosophy. But, the quality of the schools depends a great deal on the people who live in the community. Can teachers and the leadership of the administrators and the school board help guide this spirit? Yes. But so much depends upon the people paying attention to what is taught, how it is taught, and what is communicated about the WHY of education and broad knowledge.
I’d love to know though… I have 2 kiddos that are 100% sure they are going D1 for baseball and football. I feel like to hit these huge goals there are certain parameters that must be hit. I feel like we are in a box with NCAA rules and requirements to be a student-athlete. Backstory… we do homeschool and have since 2020 in our 4th year and going strong. I LOVE the freedoms we have doing it, even though we are in a state that has some pretty tough laws for homeschoolers. We are making do! Anyway… any guidance with that would be awesome!
Corey DeAngelis, the director of school choice at Reason Foundation has been leading the charge. The movement of funding students not institutions would allow money to go to alternative choices like homeschool or Apogee Strong.
I studied Special Education and have taught for a few years and can say from experience that the problem is societal. Reforms are coming into teacher training and the public schools, but are being hindered by poverty and inequitable government/tax funding. Schools in poor rural and inner city communities are still caught in a vicious cycle where their funding depends on property taxes and standardized test scores. Kids do poorly because of less respurces to begin with, hyperfocus on testing to keep the school open, and problems at home/in the community because of the breakdown in morals and family.
Teachers literally lose their jobs over trying to deviate from curriculums that do the bare minimum of good, or in some cases, more harm than good. To be fair, many teachers also fail when they try deviate because of the intense stress they're under from lack of planning time, responding to student violence/mental health crises, poor parenting, etc. To the degree where it seems like the canned curriculum is the better option because there is a small measure of success. It is so demoralizing because we are told we can be part of the change and reform in college, staff meetings, conferences, etc., and then are held to such a double standard in practice.
Many levels of reform have to happen, and I believe it's possible. I don't think privatization and home schooling is the best answer for everyone. Does doing the best you can for your kids comes through merit of wealth? Do you have more merit as a human being and a parent if you have money or one spouse who works so the other who can homeschool? People must have worked really hard for that, yes. But what about the people working 60+ hours a week at minimum wage? What about single parents? Do they have less merit because they sacrifice and sacrifice, but still can't pay tuition? Scholarships can cover some families, but not the majority.
If some countries have more successful public school education systems than ours, let's look at what they are doing publicly as a society. Can we make more of that happen in our public schools? Only if we pressure our govornments and districts to make changes beyond lip service. Will it be perfect? No.
22:50 OH, GOSH! this seems so elemental if a person themselves interact and teach their child.
28:40 bringing it home... pun intended.
I am a software engineer with a masters degree, and I have been programming professionally for 10 years. I have not once needed to use algebra at my job.
I wish there had been a school like this for my kids. I homeschooled because the alternatives were horrible and it wasn't ideal.
How does this work for charter schools? They seem like they have values and old school beliefs, standing for the flag respect etc. for some reason I have this feeling that it may not be what everyone else thinks about them.
If I say "first!" Do I get to go back to 2006? Asking for a friend
I want 96,lol❤❤
No
I would love to go back to the late 1950s and early 1960s.
Education needs to balance building independence and having a cohesive connection to American society. We need a blend of the same stories and knowledge and our own, individual stories and knowledge. They should have some degree to overlap.
Oh yay I listen to you both, now you’re together!! 🥳🥳🥳
One problem with the current US school system is the quality of teacher. About a decade ago, I checked some research on this, and found the average IQ of K-12 teachers was 102. This is almost dead-on average. If you understand normal distribution, and factor in the probability that teachers of high school are pulling up the mean (average), you're probably holding your breath right now as you consider the quality of mind of elementary teachers today. Makes you wonder how the hell these people get into teachers' college these days. It does, however, help explain the crushing of creativity and high intelligence that goes on in schools: Teacher doesn't recognize intelligence or creativity.
Why do you assume the HS teachers are brighter lot more of them teaching classes other than STEM. An argument could be made the smart ones refuse to teach the teens as they are the most difficult to deal with
@garyshan7239 My professional background allows me to assume a lot of things with a high level of certainty. When possible, I test my assumptions.
You assume either the opposite, or that Kindergarten teachers have, on average, the same IQ as teachers of high school. Which is it, and why the assumption?
@@rubynibs so you get to pontificated then when asked why you feel what you claim is fact is fact you counter with you are an unsubstantiated subject matter expert who then demands I explain myself!?!
@@garyshan7239 Wut?
@@rubynibs so now you drop the intellectual facade and you cant even spell 4 letter words correctly?
I like John Taylor Gatto. I have read The Underground History... I think Dewey is very complicated and sometimes contradictory and that his followers, like Kilpatrick if you read Hirsch, carried Dewey's torch very badly.
As a successful student from the 70-80's public school system, and largely successful in life (as I presume the two of you are as well), I find this conversation interesting and frankly I want the data that shows that the school models suggested in this video are actually successful at producing quality....hmmm...outcomes?... people? Too often the soft metrics inspired by these models, leads to confusion. I will look into these schools and do some research. I have a son who could benefit from a more hands on approach to learning, while I prefer didactic academic learning.
Is that Teddy's poem I see in the background?
36:26 we need to teach math for life!
Listening to this and wandering through IKEA with “I fought the store and the store won” playing in my mind.
I learned economics, but didn't understand it until i learned woodworking.
I immediately disregard any “freedom loving educator “ when he talks about making all his money in the system to then get out and sell “ his system.” Also he invokes Tim Kennedy. The infamous freedom lover who said “I believe gun control is a massive soliton.” This was a big swing and a miss. Snake oil politics
I wish there was a homeschooling for dummies lol. I am homeschool my son, and going to move to do the same with my two younger kids. It’s scary getting started homeschooling. Not knowing what to do to best help our kids. I just need someone to say here do this and I’ll do it. :)
It helped me to follow a curriculum. I just wanted to have my bases covered. We do a general cover of all subjects. I use miacademy.
Im a substitute school RN for a public school system outside Birmingham AL. The more affluent suburbs have a great public school system with good old southern values. It is NOT woke at all. However, Birmingham city schools are dreadful! Nobody feels safe working in the inner city & the staff, as a result, is of a different caliber of educators than what I've seen in the suburbs
School v education is like church v faith
Cure for the schools pass a law that requires all sxhool board members to have children IN. That school system
Everyone on a school board has to live in that district. I can think of excellent school directors whose children have long since graduated, but they loved education and believed a super education should be available for all children. That should be the criteria. Having kids is not enough to make a person a thoughtful school director.
Also, maybe a parent is infuriated with the quality of education, has pulled their kids, but sticks around to try to fix the system.
The system is based on the Prussian model, which was made to make obedient little soldiers.
Is it any wonder why it produces the results it does?
It depends on how people are taught. Segmenting time aids efficiency and organization. The content and manner of teaching can either produce factory workers/soldiers or people who can think, wonder, know, communicate, and do. The culture of the school and community influences this heavily.
What does our federal government push? Workers and soldiers. What does the 4th industrial revolution want? Workers.
Listen to "Sold a Story" It tells why our kids aren't proficient in reading. Very eye opening. There is also a documentary called "The Right to Read" also needs to be spread far and wide.
Look up Classical Conversations. :D
Asian American kids do well in the public school system. Folks should take more responsibility for their kids.
There's right and there's wrong. We make that. It's right to know about the fire that's not near you incase it blows your way .
Where can one find more information about the 1041 tax system?
Old books at library are done away with.
Sounds absolutely perfect, but I could never afford this. So it's for the wealthy.
$11000/year that’s kinda high
46:13 since you're talking about Idaho - or choose any very conservative state : can we stop sending money to D.C. just so they can spend it on salaries for de-education, and then send a small portion back with strings attached?
9:33 - 10:35: we students know that lol
Hmm... This guy sounds like the teaching of Robert Kiyosaki. 👍
49:58 uh, yeah! Why do government schools hire janitors? Why aren't students cleaning up after themselves?
It's pretty obvious how much less destruction would happen, and how much money that would save!
Some things could be stuff kids can do, but if a kid throws up in the middle of class, a janitor can help with that. Same for evening and weekend duties (sports, plays, etc).
@emilymiller1792 of course- it's no different than chores at home. Some adult needs to be watching/helping
@@pianogal853
No disagreement that kids could be helping some at school. However, some janitors are still needed so education can remain the focus.