Demon wasn't great TBC for PvP and PvE. But i master in pve even in raid stop tier 3 not gear but for illidan not too bad. Now, Demonology can used for both in Woltk I happy :D!
MY MAN! Another GREAT video, i cannot stress enough how u basically got the monopoly here on educational PVP WOTLK videos! AND UR DOING THEM WELL! So please take this momentum, take all the inspiration from the comments for the next videos, like ive seen the 'disecting arena match' idea alot and i myself would really appreciate that too, i wanna really try hard with the mates in Wotlk and i NEED your channel brother!
For ret paladins, arena is definitely easier in WoTLK lol it’s only harder if you currently play a class that doesn’t get much of a buff like rogue for example or, if ur playing paladin then you will have a much easier time in wrath, for mages it’s also much easier even though it’s easy for them now, I suppose it depends who your partner is and who you’re up against really, all I know is this wrath is harder than original wrath due to the use of gold for boosting, so you basically need a good partner and connection or gold buying your way if you want a higher rating, which is why I suggest they drop the rating expectations for the gear then that will stop people bothering to buy boosts, id even suggest LFR to stop people earning through GDKP too, the people who complain at these suggestions are the people who earn gold from them or use gold for them, there’s no other logical reason for anyone to be against it, Asmongold hates LFR coz it ruined his guild, the guild that basically carried him and made his wow life easy and he got first choices and would gear much faster than other people so these types of people get angry when casuals who don’t have much time can get decent gear ⚙️
I think its important to mention the slow removal you get from Earthbind Totem as Enhance. Each pulse or totem drop will dispell all slow effects on yourself and your team within a certain range.
Hey man, nice video. One thing I may suggest regarding paladins. I think talking about the "preg" spec is very important as it can be extremely dominating against certain comps. Definitely something you will queue into
I’ve covered preg in multiple videos, paladins have the same CD’s to watch generally regardless of spec. D sac, hand of sac, bop, bubble, hoj, freedom. So i didn’t feel like saying that 4 times
TBC: shadowstep & kick a heal : you've won the game WoTLK: survive all burst, instant trinket CC, drag pet over hunter trap to not lose game, win against arena glads who have played this expac for 10+ years
its a good and interesting guide, my question is more, what phase is this? i guess it must be endgame, would like to know how the classes are at season 1
This video has nothing to do with phases, it's general knowledge and applies to week 1 of season 5 in to the last week of season 8. It's applicable for the entire expansion.
@@Earpugs yes i thought that too, but can a boomy for example right in the first season really do that much pressure? i thought casters needed alot of gear to scale, but still i would like to know what the best classes are at phase 1 in pvp, if you do a guide for each phase it would be nice and give you also more content to talk about.
Hey there Earpugs, i watched a lot of your tierlists and you always ranked warrior Aa a S+ class. But isnt warrior pretty weak in the early season especially without armorpen? So if u pick warrior do you have to wait for like TOC to shine?
A random hpala with an arms counters most double dps teams. That makes Arms top tier for the entire expansion. Clothies which are super strong later on, are giga squish early on, so it balances out.
@@dirtydard4870 my dude, wtf does "vs priest 1v1 sure" mean? Priest will play with a rogue, if the warr tries to tunnel the priest, the rogue will absolutely skullfuck his healer, even if its a paladin. Priest doesnt get pressured by warrior this early on, the rogue/mage dont have to peel at all. You have no idea about early wrath meta, not sure why ur coming at me.
It was easier back in the day, but you see people have improved alot, A 2400 player in original wotlk would stuggle at 1500-1600 mmr today. Also back in the day you had high participations, so lots of Bad/newish players even at 2k+ rating, i was one of them, Started playing Pvp seriously in Wotlk and Got Arena master, Gladiator, and pretty much every arena achievemet available at that time. But lets be real, When i look back i was not even that good. I basicaly Did stuff even 1600 players do today, and it was enought. Peple were just bad/still kinda new to arena/rated pvp at that Era. All you needed was everything Keybinded, and If you had some good focus macros too oh boy you were already Gladiator material. Now everybody has that even at 1600 rating. Ye Basicaly If your average player now Which is 1500-1700 rating That is Pretty much where 50% people who play arena are would travel back in time To Wotlk and Played Against PLayers in that Era that Guy would be Blizzcon Champion God pretty much, Im not joking.
Prot warrior can be useful with a non ARP/Crit set, cannot forget about the block value shield slam one shots. Wont be as good as it was on live since im assuming the patch we will be playing on is 3.3.5a but can still easily surprise people. Also really want to see how well a lesser known Arms/Prot hybrid revenge spam spec works against melee comps.
Hey man I’m already rolling unh dk and h pal , but please help me decide my third and last spec I’m torn between ele sham and arms war … which one would u recxomend ? I like melee but I like big bursts as well
Can you make a S5 tier list? My buddy and I are stuck on playing DK/Warrior of Rsham/Hpal. We plan on playing both eventually, but I think we would like to push the more viable one in S5 first to get a jump on gearing.
thank you for sharing the information, my friend and I are planning on playing arena in WLK, just wondering if the honor points will be carried into WLK from TBC?
5s was a pretty meme bracket in TBC and never really developed a defined "meta".. think it will stay that way in wrath. Plus if they keep the same point system, you can just afk games at 1600 and basically get max points anyways
honestly i'd prefer if they just remove 5s and add rated bgs instead. Rated bgs are so much better than meme 5s. Although meme 5s do serve the purpose of easy arena point farming.
Are you sure you want to stack with a temate with Killing spree on you considering Rogue has Bladeflurry ? Also I think Charge is usable in combat only from MoP
If you're playing a hunter and are dual wielding if you have a weapon chain on your offhand and are only DISARMED not DISMANTLED you can still deterrence, to clarify.
@@akhsdenlew1861 you can buy weapons with arena points lol, the benefits are worth it, I've been 2700 playing hunter in wotlk, if you aren't min maxing you won't climb.
kinda random, but do you have like a tierlist for classes in world pvp? or what classes would you recommend if you enjoy world pvp. So I guess this is about a class/spec's 1v1 potential and 1v2+ potential.
You didn't mention that Shamantistic Rage for enhancement shamans is reduced by 50% mana gained and 50% cooldown (15 sec 30% damage reduction 15% mana on 1.5m cd). Also fire mage getting instant pyros could be something to look out for :P
Hey man, quick question. My buddy and will both be rolling DKs for WOTLK. Do you think that frost/uh or double uh would perform better in arenas? We aren't insanely experienced with wotlk by any means, but we are looking to put in the time to try and improve. Thanks for any insight!
Hey Earpugs love ur vids! As a tbc arena fan, WOTLK burst seems insanely overtuned, at least on warmane? Rogue, sham, boomkin, ench, lock, hunt etc can all 1 shot ppl. Just seems a bit less strategic/nuanced than tbc arena where games are less bursty and requires more setup to kill? Just my initial experience from adapting to wotlk pvp. Makes it slighty less enjoyable and a bit more nobrain imo at least. (feel free to let me know how much of a 1500 noob i am in the comments lmao)
most specs are viable with the right comp. for example feral rogue is super good. resto ret/war is good aswell, list goes on. but yea the limited viability is maybe only downside to tbc
Wotlk absolutely has comps that can kill Someone in 2 seconds for sure. The difference between the two is that TBC’s damage is much more RNG based. Take turbo cleave in TBC vs turbo in wrath for example. WF totem no longer gives random 1 shots and warriors dont have RNG mace stuns. The random 100-0 that TBC turbo can do in TBC doesn’t happen in wrath since WF is flat melee haste now. Turbo still deletes people don’t get me wrong but they will never 100-0 in .3 seconds like they can in TBC. Also for comp viability while sure every class can play maybe 1 or 2 comps to high rating tons of specs are restricted and certain ones not even viable. AKA fire mages, arcane mages, boomkins, rets are only viable with WF, prot wars etc. even the viable specs can play at best 3 comps. In wrath literally every healer has 10+ comps that are insanely strong let alone the dozens and dozens of still viable comps that maybe aren’t super S+ tier.
@@christofferberg3174 yea honestly.. the classes are really good.. the only balance problems in wotlk is shadowmourne and 2-3 trinkets. Other than that, it's really balanced.
could you explain how warlocks "arent tanky" anymore? dont all pvp specs have soul link in wrath, or do they lose something else? and even in tbc, warlocks arent exactly "tanky" except against spellcleaves. they can die really easily to melee
I know pets are much easier to kill but I don't know exactly why they're squishier either. I've heard everyone say it so maybe it's just a general change to the game where clothies are more vulnerable and I don't know if lock gets any defensive CD.
@@csquared4538 Pets are already extremely easy to kill in tbc (by physical damage). Yea that could be it cause I'm not really hearing any other reasons
warlocks need to cast to deal dmg instead of only having instants,their self healing gets nerfed a lot,other dps gets buffed by a lot so there is more danger than only rogues or warriors.resistances also get revamped to be flat % reduction instead of rng resists so youre not invincible to casters either
Uh this is becoming too complicated for my old brain but I will manage somehow :D Reason I don't pvp in retail is it's just way too cramped with so many abilities and stuff to track you really need to tryhard to be decent.
What do you guys think is the most fun new WOTLK ability? My List: 5) Death Grip 4) Dragon's Breath 3) Starfall 2) Thunderstorm 1) Bladestorm I learned a lot overall, great video as always Earpugs.
For context I never played tbc so I was expecting things to be messed up, but this is nothing compared to the whole shadowlands expansion. An entire huge 5 seconds to kill someone with feral? That's almost 10x as slow as shadowlands. You can have reaction speeds 5-10x lower than in shadowlands and still be competitive, awesome! This expac looks great so far and even better for casuals, I hope it lasts a long time.
...why would it be harder? Everyone gets stronger, not only your opponents. I would argue that the least meta class/spec right now will have an easier time in wotlk than tbc.
It is harder than tbc in a sense that you need to play a full class at twice the speed. Which is also why gap between most op and barely viable is smaller because barely viable specs in wotlk are still well designed. In tbc you are just oom or dont have anything to press half the time...
Gonna be honest compared to your other videos this was a bit disappointing, was more of a "new abilities classes get" compared to why it's harder than TBC. Was expecting like pacing comparisons, overall feel and importance of cc chains etc. idk. Big fan btw your vids get me hyped af for wotlk arena
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Demon wasn't great TBC for PvP and PvE. But i master in pve even in raid stop tier 3 not gear but for illidan not too bad. Now, Demonology can used for both in Woltk I happy :D!
So... Priests do no longer exist in your headspace? ;)
***astronaught meme* **
… never did
MY MAN! Another GREAT video, i cannot stress enough how u basically got the monopoly here on educational PVP WOTLK videos! AND UR DOING THEM WELL! So please take this momentum, take all the inspiration from the comments for the next videos, like ive seen the 'disecting arena match' idea alot and i myself would really appreciate that too, i wanna really try hard with the mates in Wotlk and i NEED your channel brother!
Once wrath is out I will be posting a ton of how to kill X comp and 3's guides etc. Planning on doing a lot of guides in wotlk
@@Earpugs But brother! The waiting room is NOW :( anyway any upload u do i'll be looking forward to!
I can't believe this guy didn't cover priest
This is fine for me , I'll be playing priest so that's the only one I didn't need to see lol
Shadow priest is top 3 best classes they have so much dmg and cc, we don’t need anymore spriest out there. Spriest is the ultimate paladin stopper
@@gregoswiler6127 no, Shadow priest is not top 3 best classes.
Shadowpriest is good in 2s with a frostmage and a rogue but it's not good in 3s.
Spriest GOATed
@@akhsdenlew1861 cry
This is a great video that is made even better because you didn't even acknowledge the existence of Ret Paladins.
Lmao
For ret paladins, arena is definitely easier in WoTLK lol it’s only harder if you currently play a class that doesn’t get much of a buff like rogue for example or, if ur playing paladin then you will have a much easier time in wrath, for mages it’s also much easier even though it’s easy for them now, I suppose it depends who your partner is and who you’re up against really, all I know is this wrath is harder than original wrath due to the use of gold for boosting, so you basically need a good partner and connection or gold buying your way if you want a higher rating, which is why I suggest they drop the rating expectations for the gear then that will stop people bothering to buy boosts, id even suggest LFR to stop people earning through GDKP too, the people who complain at these suggestions are the people who earn gold from them or use gold for them, there’s no other logical reason for anyone to be against it, Asmongold hates LFR coz it ruined his guild, the guild that basically carried him and made his wow life easy and he got first choices and would gear much faster than other people so these types of people get angry when casuals who don’t have much time can get decent gear ⚙️
@@yungthug2403 just do what they did in cata and made ap earnable in random bgs
@@stonymontana9773 I wish
wow awesome production right there with exemples all thru the video! i appreciate that!
I think its important to mention the slow removal you get from Earthbind Totem as Enhance. Each pulse or totem drop will dispell all slow effects on yourself and your team within a certain range.
For sure, too much info for me to get everyone without forgetting a few unfortunately.
Brilliant stuff, exactly what I wanted to know going into wotlk! Also the ending music kicked me in the nuts with nostalgia T-T
Hey man, nice video. One thing I may suggest regarding paladins. I think talking about the "preg" spec is very important as it can be extremely dominating against certain comps. Definitely something you will queue into
I’ve covered preg in multiple videos, paladins have the same CD’s to watch generally regardless of spec. D sac, hand of sac, bop, bubble, hoj, freedom. So i didn’t feel like saying that 4 times
great content dude. hope you blow up as wotlk becomes the meta :) quality content deserves praise
Thank you!
TBC: shadowstep & kick a heal : you've won the game
WoTLK: survive all burst, instant trinket CC, drag pet over hunter trap to not lose game, win against arena glads who have played this expac for 10+ years
I love this, I play little pvp in tbc but im more excited for wrath pvp!
What a quality video mate appreciate this going into wotlk
love your channel bud just found it, finally some pvp knowledge to learn
Hi, this video is incomplete because it did not cover the Priest class. Hopefully a revised version will be done soon.
All classes now feel like they've reached their full potential.
Nothing for priests? :(
For someone who gonna play Rdrood this video help me a lot :>
personally i like the pace of cataclysm better in terms of damage...but lich king is pretty much even in terms of skill and fun
Another fantastic video, I can’t wait till your next one. I also I thank you for your Patreon page, it has helped me tremendously!
As if the hype couldn't get bigger!!! Great Video TY :) GREAT INFO
GIGA informative. well done sir
its a good and interesting guide, my question is more, what phase is this? i guess it must be endgame, would like to know how the classes are at season 1
This video has nothing to do with phases, it's general knowledge and applies to week 1 of season 5 in to the last week of season 8. It's applicable for the entire expansion.
@@Earpugs yes i thought that too, but can a boomy for example right in the first season really do that much pressure? i thought casters needed alot of gear to scale, but still i would like to know what the best classes are at phase 1 in pvp, if you do a guide for each phase it would be nice and give you also more content to talk about.
@@Intelligenkeit casters do damage every phase, in early S5 yes it's harder for casters to survive cleaves but by S6 ur pretty much chilling.
Which classes would you say are best in the first season of wotlk?
Whatever you think is the most fun
I'm gonna play a few different comps with brother in law and friend... Hpal, feral, hunter... Lock mage hpal.... Lots of comps to choose between 😀
no mention of shaman hex or did i miss that
What about the priest?
Very informative thanks
Ty for the video ! Very instructive
Did i miss the priest?
Hey there Earpugs,
i watched a lot of your tierlists and you always ranked warrior Aa a S+ class. But isnt warrior pretty weak in the early season especially without armorpen?
So if u pick warrior do you have to wait for like TOC to shine?
A random hpala with an arms counters most double dps teams. That makes Arms top tier for the entire expansion. Clothies which are super strong later on, are giga squish early on, so it balances out.
Wars always scale like this. In arena it's the same. A warrior on you is a countdown till you are dead.
@@filipfenix warrior struggles even vs priest early on. It rly shouldnt be encouraged
@@kklap3219 vs priest 1v1 sure. Warrior with heals have too much pressure to deal with as priest unless you play very well/have very strong gear
@@dirtydard4870 my dude, wtf does "vs priest 1v1 sure" mean? Priest will play with a rogue, if the warr tries to tunnel the priest, the rogue will absolutely skullfuck his healer, even if its a paladin. Priest doesnt get pressured by warrior this early on, the rogue/mage dont have to peel at all. You have no idea about early wrath meta, not sure why ur coming at me.
wanna focus on 33 comp with Rogue. Which comp do u recommend? RogueSP/Heal RoguePal/Heal or RMP
Try them all out, all 3 Have Different play styles
It was easier back in the day, but you see people have improved alot, A 2400 player in original wotlk would stuggle at 1500-1600 mmr today. Also back in the day you had high participations, so lots of Bad/newish players even at 2k+ rating, i was one of them, Started playing Pvp seriously in Wotlk and Got Arena master, Gladiator, and pretty much every arena achievemet available at that time. But lets be real, When i look back i was not even that good. I basicaly Did stuff even 1600 players do today, and it was enought. Peple were just bad/still kinda new to arena/rated pvp at that Era. All you needed was everything Keybinded, and If you had some good focus macros too oh boy you were already Gladiator material. Now everybody has that even at 1600 rating. Ye Basicaly If your average player now Which is 1500-1700 rating That is Pretty much where 50% people who play arena are would travel back in time To Wotlk and Played Against PLayers in that Era that Guy would be Blizzcon Champion God pretty much, Im not joking.
ypu miss the most inportant trick with death knight. Since they can turn undead they can heal with death coil
Thanks for spotlight priest , like and subscribe
Shadow priests?
Prot warrior can be useful with a non ARP/Crit set, cannot forget about the block value shield slam one shots. Wont be as good as it was on live since im assuming the patch we will be playing on is 3.3.5a but can still easily surprise people. Also really want to see how well a lesser known Arms/Prot hybrid revenge spam spec works against melee comps.
2H revenge spec is only really good in warrior 1v1's and doesn't do much vs casters so it's super niche
Hey man I’m already rolling unh dk and h pal , but please help me decide my third and last spec I’m torn between ele sham and arms war … which one would u recxomend ? I like melee but I like big bursts as well
definitely arms then
Can you make a S5 tier list? My buddy and I are stuck on playing DK/Warrior of Rsham/Hpal. We plan on playing both eventually, but I think we would like to push the more viable one in S5 first to get a jump on gearing.
I won't sorry, way too much work for a short lived video
@@Earpugs ppl want season 5 tier vids tho. if you want free views do it :)
yeah i’d also be interested in seeing a quick s5 tier list, im sure a lot of people would
No priest?
I loved the video. Please PLEASE do a guide on ret pally!!
im so excited to do something ive already done years ago,
is this supposed to be sarcasm? why would something that was fun years ago not still be fun today
thank you for sharing the information, my friend and I are planning on playing arena in WLK, just wondering if the honor points will be carried into WLK from TBC?
There’s a 99% chance they they carry them from TBC to wrath
@@Earpugs thank you for you answer, what would you recommend frost mage profession for arena ? Eng+ tailor?
@@chongyao3386 BS/JC is bis every season
@@Earpugs thank you so much~ so expensive though...
No mention of Priest?
I was rank 1 in 2v2 in tbc and wotlk Rogue / Shadowp
What about fury warrior and blood DK?
good video but what happened to priest in wotlk?
Priests get removed in wotlk and replaced with a bard class
What do you think will be some of the rising 5s comps for points?
5s was a pretty meme bracket in TBC and never really developed a defined "meta".. think it will stay that way in wrath. Plus if they keep the same point system, you can just afk games at 1600 and basically get max points anyways
5 boomies
honestly i'd prefer if they just remove 5s and add rated bgs instead.
Rated bgs are so much better than meme 5s.
Although meme 5s do serve the purpose of easy arena point farming.
does BoP or other immunities keep you from being stunned out of starfall and keep it casting?
It will for physical cc's like blind stun yes. Not magical obviously
Nothing on priest? Sadge
Are you sure you want to stack with a temate with Killing spree on you considering Rogue has Bladeflurry ? Also I think Charge is usable in combat only from MoP
Only fury cant charge in combat.
No priest or ret pala?
Why no priest in this video?
If you're playing a hunter and are dual wielding if you have a weapon chain on your offhand and are only DISARMED not DISMANTLED you can still deterrence, to clarify.
This is true, most hunters will use a two hander since the stats are better.
@@Earpugs on wotlk retail high rated hunters brought the 2 1h's and a 2h for the switch depending on the comp. Best way to play it imo.
@@powerfulnoun2608 the gains are not worth the effort.
If u happen to get them, cool.. but hunting for them is not worthy it.
U just get BIS 2h.
@@akhsdenlew1861 you can buy weapons with arena points lol, the benefits are worth it, I've been 2700 playing hunter in wotlk, if you aren't min maxing you won't climb.
@@powerfulnoun2608 Bis weapons are not with arena points.
if u have extra arena points, then u obviously do it.
i would like to get my gear only from pvp then it would be the best arena expansion for me too
where is Priest?!?!
You forgot to mention Death Knights' Death Grip, can be used for things like peeling and interrupting
That doesn’t need to be said lol. It’s common sense.
You can deathgrip warriors during bladestorm. It's def worth noting, Also dk dots are removed by cloak but are also applyable during cloak.
kinda random, but do you have like a tierlist for classes in world pvp? or what classes would you recommend if you enjoy world pvp. So I guess this is about a class/spec's 1v1 potential and 1v2+ potential.
I don't sorry, destro/feral/ret/DK are all very good in 1v1's.
How you forget priests ? Lol
@@Earpugs Shadow doesn't have Penance. Why not Shadow? They are good.
@@Earpugs definitely wasn't in the video and shadow priests get a lot more survivability than tbc
I remember back in wrath most rogues going mutilate/prep
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Hell yeah! I'm a newbie and this content is S+ tier
@@PurpleDragonSpike yeah same same never played wow but started in day 1 classic found out this channel like s2 tbc and it’s been quality content
you didnt mention shred / ambush / backstab go through deterrance
You forgot priest :(
What about necro strike?
Cata
you should make a wrath pvp profession vid
priest?
So no priest?
You didn't mention that Shamantistic Rage for enhancement shamans is reduced by 50% mana gained and 50% cooldown (15 sec 30% damage reduction 15% mana on 1.5m cd).
Also fire mage getting instant pyros could be something to look out for :P
Otherwise great video!
No priest? :(
It’s as difficult as the people you’re playing against….and with.
Why do people call them boomkin? Who started this ?
Hey man, quick question. My buddy and will both be rolling DKs for WOTLK. Do you think that frost/uh or double uh would perform better in arenas? We aren't insanely experienced with wotlk by any means, but we are looking to put in the time to try and improve. Thanks for any insight!
Frost unholy probably for the cc
Legendary content
Hey Earpugs love ur vids! As a tbc arena fan, WOTLK burst seems insanely overtuned, at least on warmane? Rogue, sham, boomkin, ench, lock, hunt etc can all 1 shot ppl. Just seems a bit less strategic/nuanced than tbc arena where games are less bursty and requires more setup to kill? Just my initial experience from adapting to wotlk pvp. Makes it slighty less enjoyable and a bit more nobrain imo at least. (feel free to let me know how much of a 1500 noob i am in the comments lmao)
Comeon, TBC had like... 4 viable specs, it was awful. Bring on the WOTLK!
most specs are viable with the right comp. for example feral rogue is super good. resto ret/war is good aswell, list goes on. but yea the limited viability is maybe only downside to tbc
Wotlk absolutely has comps that can kill
Someone in 2 seconds for sure. The difference between the two is that TBC’s damage is much more RNG based. Take turbo cleave in TBC vs turbo in wrath for example. WF totem no longer gives random 1 shots and warriors dont have RNG mace stuns. The random 100-0 that TBC turbo can do in TBC doesn’t happen in wrath since WF is flat melee haste now. Turbo still deletes people don’t get me wrong but they will never 100-0 in .3 seconds like they can in TBC.
Also for comp viability while sure every class can play maybe 1 or 2 comps to high rating tons of specs are restricted and certain ones not even viable. AKA fire mages, arcane mages, boomkins, rets are only viable with WF, prot wars etc. even the viable specs can play at best 3 comps. In wrath literally every healer has 10+ comps that are insanely strong let alone the dozens and dozens of still viable comps that maybe aren’t super S+ tier.
lichborn + death coil = nice way to heal combo
Thanks for the great overview video! Can I ask what WOTLK private server (or whatever it is) you use to hit training dummies?
Arena will be easier for me in wotlk because I didn't play rogue in TBC
I believe Wotlk 3.3.5 PVP was the most balanced of XPACs..
Yes if you take away shadowmourne. :)
@@christofferberg3174 yea honestly.. the classes are really good.. the only balance problems in wotlk is shadowmourne and 2-3 trinkets.
Other than that, it's really balanced.
Season 7 was better imo. Season 15 (mop) was also great.
That earpugs is so hot right now
You missed to talk about priests =(
You forgot to mention Hex for Shaman.
It is also more forgiving tho
could you explain how warlocks "arent tanky" anymore? dont all pvp specs have soul link in wrath, or do they lose something else? and even in tbc, warlocks arent exactly "tanky" except against spellcleaves. they can die really easily to melee
Soullink gets nerfed from 50% to 20% ... Id say that’s the main reason
@@stefangeibla3824 soul link is already 20% in tbc, 50% would be insane heh
I know pets are much easier to kill but I don't know exactly why they're squishier either. I've heard everyone say it so maybe it's just a general change to the game where clothies are more vulnerable and I don't know if lock gets any defensive CD.
@@csquared4538 Pets are already extremely easy to kill in tbc (by physical damage). Yea that could be it cause I'm not really hearing any other reasons
warlocks need to cast to deal dmg instead of only having instants,their self healing gets nerfed a lot,other dps gets buffed by a lot so there is more danger than only rogues or warriors.resistances also get revamped to be flat % reduction instead of rng resists so youre not invincible to casters either
cheap shot and ambush also go through detterence not just overpower
Uh this is becoming too complicated for my old brain but I will manage somehow :D Reason I don't pvp in retail is it's just way too cramped with so many abilities and stuff to track you really need to tryhard to be decent.
Just que triple DK
thanks
This will upset all of the Rogues who spam hemo and press 4 other buttons think they're high skill capped ninjas.
Good content
I dont remember his/her in any of my abilities haha
fire mage wotlk pvp hype :D god i love that specc
No priest love? 😈😇
Priest? :(
arms looks so strong
big stronk
the annoying thing about wow pvp is barrier of entry, if you don’t have the top gear on every piece your odds of winning go down…
True, however you don't need full bis bis to be viable in wotlk which is really nice and much different than TBC.
@@Earpugs that does sound nice
heroic leap??
cata
@@Earpugs aaaaah
What do you guys think is the most fun new WOTLK ability?
My List:
5) Death Grip
4) Dragon's Breath
3) Starfall
2) Thunderstorm
1) Bladestorm
I learned a lot overall, great video as always Earpugs.
Dragon's Breath is TBC thing i believe
Nothing on priests?? Yet they are top tier... a bit disappointed
For context I never played tbc so I was expecting things to be messed up, but this is nothing compared to the whole shadowlands expansion. An entire huge 5 seconds to kill someone with feral? That's almost 10x as slow as shadowlands. You can have reaction speeds 5-10x lower than in shadowlands and still be competitive, awesome! This expac looks great so far and even better for casuals, I hope it lasts a long time.
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...why would it be harder? Everyone gets stronger, not only your opponents. I would argue that the least meta class/spec right now will have an easier time in wotlk than tbc.
agreed 100%
It is harder than tbc in a sense that you need to play a full class at twice the speed.
Which is also why gap between most op and barely viable is smaller because barely viable specs in wotlk are still well designed.
In tbc you are just oom or dont have anything to press half the time...
@@hhhgggds still not harder. More complicated? Yes, more talents and spells to keep track of. But the same for everyone. IE not harder.
Gonna be honest compared to your other videos this was a bit disappointing, was more of a "new abilities classes get" compared to why it's harder than TBC. Was expecting like pacing comparisons, overall feel and importance of cc chains etc. idk. Big fan btw your vids get me hyped af for wotlk arena
Earpugs? Why not just Earplugs? :)) Nvm, great video however gj:)
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