Piccadilly line: new trains enter testing, and will start running in London in 2025
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- The first new Piccadilly line trains have entered testing - and are due to start running in London in two years.
Transport for London bosses say the 94 new trains will transform one of the Tube’s busiest lines, increasing capacity by 10 per cent.
They will also be the first deep-level “walk through” trains on the Underground - and the first with air conditioning.
A new moquette seat pattern has been designed for the trains, named Holden in honour of Charles Holden, the London Underground architect between the 1920s and 1940s who changed the face of the capital with iconic stations such as Arnos Grove and Southgate.
The S-Stock (for the Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan line) are the newest trains on the underground dating from 2010-2017 (in terms of introduction dates).
In a sense, the reporter wasn’t wrong, if you consider “tube” trains as being those bound for deep-level tube lines, i.e. the Jubilee.
Even for "deep-level tube" trains, the newest is 2009 for the Victoria line stock@@Mainyehc
@@Mainyehc The 2009-Stock for the Victoria line are still newer.
Yeah, the number of factual inaccuracies in this video make me wonder how this reporter became a transport correspondent.
They are the worst trains to ride on the system, uncomfortable in all respects, S7’s with the same bench seats with seat armrests, meaning I can’t turn my body, both the the S7/8 have so loud annoying announcements that they become unbearable, as do those boot buzzers, only the S9’s had decent forward facing seats.
1:58 “It’s been years since we last had a new underground train, probably dating back to… well… I haven’t done the bare minimum of research before presenting a story on new tube trains, who do you think I am some sort of journalist?”
First new trains since the Jubilee line? What about the 2009 Victoria line stock and the S stock?
They will be refurbished maybe
He's clearly wrong; absolute hack of a journalist. Asking questions like 0:24 "Why are you bringing them in?"
They won’t have anything in the next 20 years the bakerloo line is next
YESSSSSS YESSSSSS THEY ACTUALLY HAVE MOTOR SOUNDS ... seimens trains are usually really really quiet. At least I can enjoy some acceleration ambiance on these units. Funny thing is they sound very similar to the GEC motors . Just smoother
I'm glad, for one!
Do you have a timestamp for the motor sounds?
I’m glad someone else cares about traction motors
@@jefftheseagullone of the little things that add up to the overall memorable experience!
@@alessandrowda beginning and during the video when they see talking
Circle/Hammersmith and City/District lines have new trains, but this would be the first new tube trains for the deeper lines.
Victoria line in 2009-10.
A little history of historical tube fleets that retired in the 21st century:
A stock: 1961-2012
1967 stock: 1968-2011
C stock: 1970-2014
D stock: 1980-2017
Have yet to retire:
1972 stock: 1972-
1973 stock: 1975-
The 1972 stock still doesn't have a replacement yet
The 59 stock retired in 2000
Don't forget the 1992 stock. They are also being replaced
@@awesometrainsandbuses The 1992 stock might go somewhere else like the D stock since they are
@@nikograd The D Stock was converted to mainline trains as they were about the size of a mainline train. The 1992 stock is smaller, the only other place it could go is on another Underground Railway
The only problem i have with these is the windows look wrong for this train, they look too small and the bars that separate them are too thicc
Totally agree
Why are you concerned about windows on a train that will predominantly be running underground?
@@GIOGS well I’ll just travel in a padded cell. Because it pulls in to platforms, and I like to see where I am ! The Central Line stock is the gold standard in terms of windows
Piccadilly has a lot to the line overground between Uxbridge/ Heathrow & Earls Court etc
@@GIOGS just personal preference and also it kinda makes the ascetics worse from the inside imo
The most recent new deep level tube trains were the 2009 stock on the Victoria Line. It doesn’t seem like the reporter did much research for this……
How dare they not invite Geoff to the damn press event.
They did. He's done a video.
@@bexhillbob no no I saw that when they showed off the mock up. This is the actual thing. But TFL loves that man so I’m sure they’ll keep him busy with other things lol
He did get invited dw, ITV featured him in their segment
he was there! i saw him featured in another video that was released yesterday, he'll probably make a video about it soon :)
But in Germany they can share tracks with Eurostar to London so it can get to the underground around Jan 2024
The traction motors sound lovely!
What about the 2009 Victoria trains..?
They’ll stay on the tube for a while longer as they are not old enough to be replaced
@@monkeyboo381 what I mean is he's forgotten about the 2009 and S stocks in terms of when the last new stock entered service.
No new trains since 2000? How about the H+C and Circle lines trains in 2012?
Probally meant out of the proper deep level tube lines but even then he's wrong
0:48 I swear for a second I thought they used Train Sim World for visualising the new train. But then, who knows, maybe it was indeed done with Unreal Engine. That would explain the similar graphics, shading, rendering etc.
Much needed! The trains are very old
And slow. Maximum speed on the '73 Stock is 45mph, compared to 60mph on the replacements.
The Bakerloo seems to need them more
We’re getting new Piccadilly line trains before gta 6
Can’t wait when they come into service
If they get put in service on bakerloo line afterwards and then eventually the central line, are they gonna be differently painted and different coloured seating to match the line colour? So be brown instead of blue for bakerloo line for example?
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Is it bed bug proof
i actually like the roughness of the bakerloo line trains
Incorrect information here from the presenter. Both the Victoria Line (2009 stock) and the 4 subsurface lines (S stock) have newer trains than the Jubilee Line (1996 stock) -- and the Northern Line trains (1995 stock) are actually a better quality version of the same model. If they meant that the last new tube line was the Jubilee Line Extension, then this is also misleading because the Piccadilly Line is not being extended (just getting new trains), and there has been another new extension since then on the Northern Line. Also, these won't be the first air conditioned trains on the Underground -- the S stock already has air conditioning.
We are just going to forget that the S Stock is the newest train and is the first air cooled Underground stock
I can't wait for them to enter service! 😍
The newest actual tube trains on the Underground are from 2009, when the original Victoria Line trains that dated from 1967 were replaced
Is it not the S7 stock?
@mtsngerman3408 the clue is in the name, the "S" for S Stock means subsurface, meaning the subsurface lines on the network. The 2009 tube stock is an actual tube train, not to be confused with London Underground rolling stock.
We really need this cus Picadilly is one of the important tube lines. Its a tourist line and goes to Heathrow. So this will be real great! But Bakerloo also nedds an update. Mabye Central will be next if they do Bakerloo.
Why are the trains 9 cars long? Aren’t the pic line trains only 6 cars?
they have short and long carriages.
As somebody who lived on the RAF base where this test track is now on, you would find the locals would never call this part "Northern" Germany :-D
No, I don't suppose that they would. Possibly Westdeutschland
Only 2 pairs of doors per car? Seems each car is shorter than current ones.
Yh the trains will be 7m longer but have 3 more cars
All trains operating in Britain should be constructed in Britain.
It can't because we are in a productivity puzzle as well as inflation, hence we get exported stuff for cheaper money
Half of the trains will be, but the Goole factory hasn't fully opened yet
In an ideal world that would be good; however labour costs are higher in the U.K.; at the same time British workers are justified in demanding a GENUINE Living Wage for their efforts; instead of what the Tories did which was to rebrand the slave wage as being a Living Wage which it definitely isn't.
Finally Air Conditioning !!
The Northern and Victoria lines actually have newer trains than the Jubilee line.
The s stock is the newest I believe (M,H&C,D,C)
@@alumpy-acho112not really tube stock
Victoria Line 2009, Northern 1995 and Jubliee 1996 stock. Victoria Line only.
@@partyentertains4092 The 1995 stock is actually newer.
@@petercdowneyno the jubilee and Victoria line is newer than the nothern line
Woah, nice motor sounds!
I look forward to riding on these, much as I like the 73s. I understand they will be manually driven until the new signalling is put in.
I also like the Bakerloo 72s, well shabby, but into the platform, the Operator doing various braking on the controller, then letting go of the handle, and opening the doors straight away, no messing about. Green signal, close doors, and away, with all the clicks and clunks of the control equipment, and the sound of the motors, classic, a snappy service.
In the next few years, people will do the pilgrimage to ride on these, like they did on the last Routemasters.
finally testing!
Will this train automatically drive like the other ones or will you have to actually have to drive it?
WOW FINNALY AT LAST AFTER YEARS AND ITS NOT THE MOCK! CHEERS AND I REALLY MEAN CHEERS
I'm glad that the contract to build these trains was awarded to Siemens and not to Bombardier/Hitachi.
do Hitachi even make tube trains?
@@RWL2012Not sure, but I certainly don’t want to see how that horror story ends 😬
@@RWL2012 no, and neither did Siemens prior to the NTfL contract.
Hope these new trains are worth the money.
Irs always worth it if a train your replacing is 50 years old and hasn't had a redirbishment since the 2000s. 73 stock were neglected for ages. No motor of system overhauls. That's the way of underground stock it would seem. Central line is also the same although they are actually getting them refitted.
73 stocks really were a classic favourite of mine, but nothings being done to upgrade them.
Technically the Victoria line and bakerloo line could have got some 95 /96 stock style tube trains in the early 2000s as the 72 and 67 stock were of replacement Age in the 2000s.
What's the alternative? Keep refurbish trains that are over 50 years old?
Don’t take the lovely Bakerloo over with these awful things
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 67 Octagon and Every 37 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 147MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 147MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 18 Tonnes for all of those 147MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!! And Please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
You need to learn what paragraphs are cause that is super hard to read
And what the f*** are you on about??? 99% of your ideas are either super confusing or super stupid
Surely they need charging sockets though with this new upgrade.
There just isn't enough space
I’ll miss the 1973 stock
did not expect it to look like that
Very smart new trains even as an enthusiast who will be sad to see the 73TS go. Nothing lasts forever. The 73s are getting on now and some are in a fairly poor state. These certainly seem better suited for the overcrowding the Piccadilly line gets during peak hours.
Exactly. Hence the increase to 27tph from 2027.
The 2009 stock (for the Victoria line ) & the S stock (for the Circle District H&C & The Metripolitan lines)
Wow.
Ok but when are we getting WiFi on all underground trains.........
As soon as they ship it to london graffitis will be everywhere 😂
Class 2024 of piccadilly line is for dale charman
2:03 Victoria line?
Certainly I’m sad the 1973 stock is retiring in 2025, but nothing is forever. Hopefully I can ride on this new stock maybe around 2027. Meanwhile the 1972 stock is not yet meeting fate unless the option order extended for these new trains
I was devastated when old Underground trains were refurbished, therefore I won't be sad about the refurbished 1973 TS being scrapped as for me it died when they were refurbished.
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO jesus christ some people are just sad
@@Gfynbcyiokbg8710 You are even sadder for being utterly ignorant; how would you like me to increase your intelligence level to that of a fart?
Glad they made it like this instead of the biscuit tin one.
Were those seats really a high-level of comfort?. I’m already irritated by those door buzzers, only hope that the announcements are not too loud.
Why are the windows so small? They look claustrophobic to me! I would hardly call them an improvement.
To allow for air cooling
Fair point, but to me they are claustrophobic and would not be a particularly nice experience to travel in.
@@graffb.5531 What do windows matter anyway? It's an underground train.
They look bigger than Victoria line at least
@@-Benedictnot underground for the whole line, plus as I said it’s claustrophobic.
I think the led strip lights are ugly
I did not see space for luggage like on the existing stock .
Sort of just a waste of space
There is no overcrowding WTF this chap is about!
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If bakerloo & central get their new trains how many carriages are there gonna be
The windows look kind of small...
That's because they are.
Eh, you’ll be in tunnels for most of the journey.
Do you want air cooling?
The windows don't look small they ARE small.
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO exactly
The Victoria line trains were introduced in 2009.
No destination signs on the sides? There were in the early renderings from years ago
There are destination signs on the sides idiot
Why are the windows so small?
To fit the ducts for the aircon system
It looks like the old one cor blimey
Will they go a bit faster than the old fleet?
Yes
Yes. 60mph top speed. Hence reduced journey and station dwell times for the 27tph peak-hour increase from 2027, using the existing signalling.
@@partyentertains4092thank god, i thought the tunnels couldn’t handle those speeds
you guys beat geoff marshall to getting a video of these new trains? i didnt think that was even possible lol
Expect chewing gum under the seats within 24 hours.
I wouldn't love them to enter the Bakerloo to be honest.
Amazing you've got them now so smart looks cool but I'll miss th old dirty 1973 stocks can't believe their going 😭😭😭😭but these do have air conditioning😀 if it's quiet it has no character the old one had character and noise I'll miss then😟😟😢
Is Heathrow Airport Stations going to be upgraded
Probably not in the recent future, why?
Why? They seem pretty modern to me, there are stations that are in far more need
Why would it take a full year of testing in London, before trains go live?
The testing in London also includes training the engineers and train operators.
2009ts newest deep level
Modernisimos como los del recorrido Santiago-Rancagua,que son suecos.
They aren't swedish
whose dim idea to claustrophobically blight this LAUGHABLE prototype with mere port holes
A, you'll be underground most of the time anyway, and b, it's for the ducts to enable air conditioning, I'll put up with smaller windows to have fresher cooler trains
The beggars will like these, walk all the way through demanding money from people. I get terrorised every day on the S7s, all I am doing is going to and from work, I can't spare any, "change" for them. same faces every day .Good at what they do as well, don't even hold on to any handrails. The Romanian girls with the hand written cards, they have got better clothes and phones than me.
Not to mention the Picadilly line is already rife with such tissue sellers, with it going through deprived areas West London as well as it being the most touristy line.
Think you're referring to the Roma/Gypsy communities who settled in, and speak romanian. They have a habit of resorting to begging, it's a consequence of their marginalization from society. You see them doing this abroad more than you do in Romania haha. They're nomads after all.
@@skellertons113 oh nono, I think you may have misunderstood who I was referring to. The Roma/Gypsies are an Indo-Aryan ethnic group originating from India who came to Southeastern Europe as a result of Muslim invasions. The Romanians are a romance speaking European ethnic group. You can quite easily visually discern Roma from Romanians, by the fact that the Roma look Indian, and dress very particularly. The words you listed aren't found in the Roma language, but in Romanian. Hope this clarified things.
Yes, it did I work with many people from different countries like Romania, Poland, Somalia, Kenya , Eritrea ,Yemen ,Kosovo, Serbia, Poland, Ghana, Nigeria, British Guyana, Jamaica, Barbados, Dominica, Kayman Islands that@@TheRealAdds
Never seen any on the s7/8 stock but have on the other non walk through stock so this won't change anything
Sad to think that Great Britain gets them built in Spain.
Can't the Brits build trains anymore
From Empire to basket case.
Absolute idiot 😂
this train been out for 50 yrs 1973
New York bought a new fleet of trains for their Subway and now all of them are out of service ...
And?
@@Gfynbcyiokbg8710 Think about it ...
@@Mike_5 About your stupidity?
@@Mike_5 Is it the same model? No. Is it the same system? No. Is it the same manufacturer? No. Is your comment relevant at all? No.
@@Gfynbcyiokbg8710 Do you know how to form and structure sentences ?
Bakerloo
Bakerloo anyone?
No
The 2009 Victoria line trains are better
Yet Bakerloo line is gunna hv rubbish 😊
Only 2 doors per carriage?
But 3 more carriages, plus wider doors
Only 10%??? 50 year leap forward. Might as well stick with old stock and save money.
Only 10% what?
@@Gfynbcyiokbg871010% increase in passenger capacity
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO do they really think that we'd magically be able to create more space out of thin air
You can't just create capacity out of thin air, can you? How would the geometry of that work? You can't extend the trains because they're limited by the platforms, so you have to squeeze more people in by having open gangways
It's a joke that we can't even make our own trains and we have to depend on other country's to make our own infrastructure !!!
This is the same thing all around the world. We have 20 year old trains made from Siemens working well. USA would also have some subway trains that aren’t made by a US company. It’s the norm nowadays.
We can, about half of them will be built in Goole when the factory opens
Motor sounds rather rough
n o t h i n g even remotely journalistic about this parrot televizing itself either, what a flake...
Looks fantastic from the sides, but the front 😒
How many bottles of expired booze did they have while designing the front.
They look much better than the rest of the tube stock
Air cooled is very vague.
Then look up how the system works, this 2 min video isn't a documentary
'no overcrowding' yeah 'cause no completely separated cars but one area will solve the fact that the trains are so full you can't breathe, can't move and definitely not everyone can fit on even squeezed together like sardines in a can.... sure....
Yeah 10% more space, at least 10% higher frequency, and the ability to spread out evenly will reduce alot of overcrowding
@@Gfynbcyiokbg8710 no, it really won't. And if you believe that at all you have never been on the London tube in rush hour.
@@wynterblackwell3640 An extra 4000 people per hour per direction will make a huge difference
@@Gfynbcyiokbg8710 not nearly as much as you think.
@@wynterblackwell3640 definately as much as I think, TfL says even more
NOT WORTH IT
SPECIALLY WITH THE INCREASE OF FARES ON TRAINS AND BUSES
Well its this or trains falling apart so definately worth it
@@Gfynbcyiokbg8710 not for me :)
LOL it looks like something they had in japan or china back in the early 2000s.
And the same as what they are building in china now
Why do they keep insisting on these padded seats? Why not just plastic seats like everywhere else? These padded seats will get awfully dirty and disgusting within a year or two of them entering service.
Because they’re COMFY. Try spending an hour and half going from Wood Green to Heathrow on plastic seats. The Bakerloo is king of comfy seats though…
Everywhere else???? Last time I checked ironing board seats are just as hard to clean
@@NCHLTII I'd prefer simple plastic seats, the like of which they use in the metros in Seoul, or Taipei, or Hong Kong, just to name a few examples.
Because London Underground has its own unique identity. why become boring and bland by imitating other metros?
Bakerloo?
Really, looking the Bakerloo seats makes me chunder, I always stand.
Is there nobody who can design and build these trains in Britain?
If buying foreign, why not buy Chinese. I would imagine they offer a far better value than Jerry.
They're built in Goole. The company is German, but the design and manufacture is all done in the UK.
CRRC dosent have experience with London Tube gauge. Also Chinese metro trains usually last shorter (20yrs) compared to rest of the world.
@@ricequackers I'm pretty sure half of them will be built in Vienna, Austria as well as the UK
Boston did that, now there have been delays after delays and many mechanical issues
These trains look ugly
They certainly dont
It’s unique, I’ll say that
Still better than the biscuit tin one they originally designed a decade ago
They don't
But still I don’t like them
And you wanna sort out the central line. It’s bloody embarrassing
I get on that train line every morning to see tourists in shock at the state of it
I’ve seen better tubes in the third world !!
They are
The 1992 Tube Stock trains don't look perfect but they look great; I was born in July 1974, and so my all time favourite Underground trains were built between 1920-1983, those old trains had character unlike the clinically pristine computerised bland trains of the 21st century.
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO those trains were terrible. The new trains are almost always 10x nicer
@@Gfynbcyiokbg8710 Bland is usually considered nice. I am not defending the current 1973 TS; but previous older batches of Underground trains had primitive technology, but the interiors were beautiful, ie the F.20, L.31, CO/CP, R.49, Sub-Surface stock, plus the C and D Stock trains before they were refurbished. And for Tube Stock: the 1931, 1938, 1959/62, and the 1983 TS trains had character and lovely interiors.
The UK is sooo slow at doing and making things if it was in a different country it will be done yesterday but nooo takes forever to change or make anything happen in the UK
Um thats the case in a lot of the world