Good stuff. I've got the Asymmetric 6 and remember a couple of user reviews saying they performed really well in cold conditions, which helped decide. Agree to re the fairly supple ride and wet performance too. Just a great all-rounder, which they'll all be really.
@@markrhoden68 Truthfully it would of been better then to get the long holding standard in the 4S then until more relevant tests can occur on the S5 comparing it against the 4S.
As far as I understand, the Pilot Sport S5 is an OE tyre and is not a direct replacement for the Pilot Sport 4S. It's believed that the 4S replacement could be called the Pilot Super Sport 5S. Michelin have said that in the meantime the PS4S will continue to be sold.
The PS4 or PS5 don't feature as they're not even close to the SC7. Had various PS on my Skyline since I had it. Changed to SC7 this year and the grip in any conditions blow the michelins away.
Well the Pirelli they used would have been the Standard P Zero, In wet conditions the need to use the Pirelli PZ4 which is their Wet/Dry ultra sports tire. The Standard P Zeros are optimised for dry Ultra Ultra Performance but thats haw they Bias these tests
Shame the Michelin Pilot Sport 5 wasn't included in the comparison. I've got the PS5 on my Leon FR and the PS4 on my Lotus Evora NA. Both old and new generation Pilot Sports have been good. I'm going to be looking for new tyres at the end of next year for the Lotus and wonder whether I should go for the PS4S or change to the Continental. A comparison including Michelin would have been nice.
@@Vermonstered the same reviewer included the PS5 in a similar review last year. In retrospect the reviewer should have included the PS4S, as the PS5 is a more road orientated tyre, with the PS4S better for road and occasional track use. From my own experience though, the PS5's predecessor the PS4, fitted to my Lotus Evora were actually better than the PZero tyres it had on previously. The problem with using the term UHP is that there are sub categories within that grouping, I'd refer to these tyres as possibly UUHP (PS4S/Bridgestone Potenza Sport/ Continental SportContact 7 etc.). .
@@EuropaSman just look up the specs of the tire. Not the same UTOG rating among a bunch of other things. The PS5 is the replacement of the PS4 and not the PS4S. No idea what "more road orientated tyre" means to the real world as none of the pilot sport series isn't a road orientated tire.
@@EuropaSman PS5 is more comfy oriented UHP tire with the best mileage (by a mile). Grip is still great but not as responsive as F1 A6 or Conti SC7 (these have stiffer sidewalls).
UHP tyres - and a BMW 118-i what´s wrong here I wonder. (Ultra High Performance - Ultra High? 118i???) That car would be better off with tyres that fit the cars performance.
The totally wrong car spec for the tyres tested. Interesting to see the test in, arguably, a typical UK climate for at least half of the year, but these tyres needed at least a car with strong torque and a reasonable hp. This does neither and is therefore almost pointless. I have the assymetric 6's currently, the 5's previously, and the description re the 6's in the wet and cooler conditions is very accurate. Interestingly, the 5's were definitely a little stronger in the dry and when warmer vs the 6's but the 6's are definitely stronger in wet conditions. An obvious and intentional compound adjustment. Both pretty good in cooler conditions, although a pukka awd system certainly helps. I might try the csc7 next!? The pzero I'm assuming is the pz4? I had them on my previous 2017 i30N performance pack- absolutely shite when wet, damp or cooler conditions 😮 I replaced them with ps4s's, certainly a big wet and cold weather improvement (arguably the best uuhp summer tyre in temperatures around 3 to 5 degrees Celsius) but rip off city in 225 40 18 guise, plus poor supply- at least a few years ago! I know they refreshed the pz4's around 2020 but still average back then! Would be interesting to know if this is still called the pz4 and if it's a newer version still? Personally, I think the pz4's are overrated, particularly in uk conditions 😏
Good stuff. I've got the Asymmetric 6 and remember a couple of user reviews saying they performed really well in cold conditions, which helped decide. Agree to re the fairly supple ride and wet performance too. Just a great all-rounder, which they'll all be really.
keep banging them videos Steve!
Love the channel.
Interesting test however I was very disappointed that the Michelin Pilot Sport S5 was absent.
I understand the S5 isn't yet available in relivant sizes
@@markrhoden68 Truthfully it would of been better then to get the long holding standard in the 4S then until more relevant tests can occur on the S5 comparing it against the 4S.
The PS S5 isn‘t really available for consumers at the moment. Its more or less exclusive to like 5 cars from mercedes/Aston Martin
As far as I understand, the Pilot Sport S5 is an OE tyre and is not a direct replacement for the Pilot Sport 4S. It's believed that the 4S replacement could be called the Pilot Super Sport 5S. Michelin have said that in the meantime the PS4S will continue to be sold.
@@Vermonsteredor Sport 5
Interesting Test. Please take the Vredestein Ultrac Pro in the Test too.
no Michelins??
Curious we didn’t use the Eagle F1 Supersport with this group?
Got the Contis on a 2022 fiesta ST the grip is immense
So the Potenza moved from High spot to low spot?
The PS4 or PS5 don't feature as they're not even close to the SC7. Had various PS on my Skyline since I had it. Changed to SC7 this year and the grip in any conditions blow the michelins away.
The main reason that PS S5 is absences and postpone is because of conti did super high standards now.
Well the Pirelli they used would have been the Standard P Zero, In wet conditions the need to use the Pirelli PZ4 which is their Wet/Dry ultra sports tire. The Standard P Zeros are optimised for dry Ultra Ultra Performance but thats haw they Bias these tests
Shame the Michelin Pilot Sport 5 wasn't included in the comparison. I've got the PS5 on my Leon FR and the PS4 on my Lotus Evora NA. Both old and new generation Pilot Sports have been good.
I'm going to be looking for new tyres at the end of next year for the Lotus and wonder whether I should go for the PS4S or change to the Continental. A comparison including Michelin would have been nice.
PS5 isn't in the same category of tires but a tier below.
If only Conti did this tyre in 17 inch..
@@Vermonstered the same reviewer included the PS5 in a similar review last year. In retrospect the reviewer should have included the PS4S, as the PS5 is a more road orientated tyre, with the PS4S better for road and occasional track use. From my own experience though, the PS5's predecessor the PS4, fitted to my Lotus Evora were actually better than the PZero tyres it had on previously. The problem with using the term UHP is that there are sub categories within that grouping, I'd refer to these tyres as possibly UUHP (PS4S/Bridgestone Potenza Sport/
Continental SportContact 7 etc.).
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@@EuropaSman just look up the specs of the tire. Not the same UTOG rating among a bunch of other things. The PS5 is the replacement of the PS4 and not the PS4S. No idea what "more road orientated tyre" means to the real world as none of the pilot sport series isn't a road orientated tire.
@@EuropaSman PS5 is more comfy oriented UHP tire with the best mileage (by a mile). Grip is still great but not as responsive as F1 A6 or Conti SC7 (these have stiffer sidewalls).
Why on earth did you skip Michelin PS4s???
UHP tyres - and a BMW 118-i what´s wrong here I wonder. (Ultra High Performance - Ultra High? 118i???) That car would be better off with tyres that fit the cars performance.
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Pilot sport 4 would have been fine
And Goodyear eagle asymetric are not in the uuhp league... The uuhp are the goodyear eagle supersport
PS4s though
No P4S, let alone the P5S !! Lol
P4S was reviewed milion of times (great tire for its age, not as sharp) and P5S does not sell yet.
Please do a test for tire RUN FLAT. Thousands of cars rides them but nobody did the test until now, Regards
The totally wrong car spec for the tyres tested.
Interesting to see the test in, arguably, a typical UK climate for at least half of the year, but these tyres needed at least a car with strong torque and a reasonable hp.
This does neither and is therefore almost pointless.
I have the assymetric 6's currently, the 5's previously, and the description re the 6's in the wet and cooler conditions is very accurate. Interestingly, the 5's were definitely a little stronger in the dry and when warmer vs the 6's but the 6's are definitely stronger in wet conditions. An obvious and intentional compound adjustment.
Both pretty good in cooler conditions, although a pukka awd system certainly helps.
I might try the csc7 next!?
The pzero I'm assuming is the pz4?
I had them on my previous 2017 i30N performance pack- absolutely shite when wet, damp or cooler conditions 😮
I replaced them with ps4s's, certainly a big wet and cold weather improvement (arguably the best uuhp summer tyre in temperatures around 3 to 5 degrees Celsius) but rip off city in 225 40 18 guise, plus poor supply- at least a few years ago!
I know they refreshed the pz4's around 2020 but still average back then!
Would be interesting to know if this is still called the pz4 and if it's a newer version still?
Personally, I think the pz4's are overrated, particularly in uk conditions 😏