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If one thinks deep back in the 70s Jonny Carson wise cracked about his exp when the water on Lake Michigan all of sudden turned violent in like really hot calm 90 degree weather it went from totally calm in a split second and he said the water color actually changed. I had that very same exp with being on a 57 cabin cruiser with a colleague and friends ex wife. The man told me point blank the sole reasons he divorced her was she was a few bubbles off plumb and that was when she piloted this 57 footer into the middle of that lake I knew she wasn't sane... I saw boats that coulda hit and swallowed that little cabin cruiser and legit claimed they never knew they hit anything. Not to mention when the storm brewed up the water went from the normal putrid stinky pea green to a glowing purplish blue which other mariners have reported. That dip stick broad had no brains no mind to be out in the middle of that lake with that toy boat with me on it and that was the end of the relationship with us when I forcibly took over the helm that afternoon. I even called a mayday n the radio to let people know we were in trouble as the storm intensified it totally sheered off the engine hatch cover which she had open to cool the motors. Later part of the upper bridge roof was sheered off & left hanging over to the port side. If I was not so busy trying to save my own life I probably woulda crapped my own pants especially when the water literally changed colors and started to like glow was the interesting part. At that time I was not that interested in the weird glowing water not at all. Whether it was the sun or the sun angle the waters in the middle of Lake Michigan began to like glow a purplish blue color not the sick smelly green color I remember. I don't know how the hell anyone can even swim in water that stinks like that water does stink. Then think that some people take literal toy boats among them gargantuan ships that traverse that lake. I mean my buddies ex has more money than brains and some people die of that scenario too like she probably will.
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Most of the people dying in Lake Michigan overestimate their ability and underestimate her treachery. No real mystery to that; My wife and I were in the lake today and it went from no waves to 6 footers in a heartbeat. Also, it's Mackinac is pronounced Mack-in-aw. Much love for the videos!
Edit: Hey, another Wisconsinite here, he also mispronounced Manitowoc, for those curious it's pronounced kinda' like man-it-uh-wok. I agree that there's no mystery, tides, currents, weather, and hypothermia is all it takes.
Higher population in the triangle area also adds to the largest death tolls.Not taking anything from the condition of the lake itself.Just a observation.
@@adspurexactly, waters are just as dangerous further up, there's just a lot less people. The only area that's not really dangerous is the bay area around the peninsula that's pretty protected.
As someone who learned to sail on the Great Lakes, it was drilled into me that ocean sailors coming to our lakes often have difficulty managing to sail well, and that Great Lakes sailors often have no problems on the oceans (besides tides). I sailed on the ocean once, and the waves were larger, but more regular and easier to manage. Many of the early wrecks are likely from ocean sailors thinking the Lakes are simply freshwater oceans. They’re not. The waves ricochet off shores and make for chaotic, short-interval waves. And as others have mentioned, storms can appear suddenly out of clear blue skies and wreck havoc. I love the Great Lakes, and I love sailing on them. But they are weird. And easily underestimated.
Living on Lake Erie, about an hour west of Cleveland, the storms on these lakes are nothing to mess with. It can be a beautiful day, and in 5 minutes that can change drastically. Just this last weekend, we started off with a beautiful Saturday, and then severe storms rolled in instantaneously. This isnt even saying anything about what happens in November. Thats a whole different animal when a cold front moves in. You dont want to be out on the lake when severe storms are in the area. Could you imagine how it was when we couldnt predict weather beyond "its raining outside" or "its sunny and hot"?
@@rustyshacklefordrefined5756 close. But I was actually at CP when the storms came through. Went from clear blue sky, to tornado watch in the course of 10 mins.
I have a friend who sailed the great lakes most of his life. According to him they're more treacherous than the ocean. Shifting cargo when a ship is caught in a sudden squal can break a ship in half. The sudden violent weather, the topography of the lake floor, a forgotten detail, carelessness, just plain bad luck and a ship is lost. Those lakes are littered with unlucky mishaps.
You have to be insane to think that fresh water lake is more treacherous than the ocean. Lived on Lake Michigan all my life and never seen a wave over 12ft. The undertow power of the lake doesn’t come close to what the ocean can do.
@@joh466living here you should know it’s not the wave height, although they do get 20-30 foot plus, but the wave frequency and denser water. I’m sure you know more than all the sailors that have sailed both oceans and the lakes though. They pretty much all say the lakes are scarier
@@peterdragon6367 they say they are more dangerous because people say it’s just a lake and underestimate it. not because it comes even close to the ocean
Absolutely love these videos! I grew up about 40 minutes from the Benton Harbor/St Joseph Michigan area. Local news in the summer regularly talked about drownings due to the rip currents. A lot of the beaches there have sand bars close to shore, and when they break out, things get scary. I've been caught in a couple small rips, and can say that it's absolutely terrifying, even as a competent swimmer.
I go to Silver Beach all the time with my son and we take our noodles. We dont notice the rips because of the noodles and we are usually swimming sideways trying to go from the swimming area to some random spot on the pier. I eventually want to make it out to the lighthouse lol
@@apancher I thought that I had already been in some.....and now I am feeling reckless and stupid and will definitely weigh my decisions, especially with my son around a lot more from here on out.
I have lived my whole life with in about half hour of Lake Michigan. (in Michigan). I have been swimming when it was 2-3 foot breakers that with in minutes turned into 10' waves. felt rip currents drag me 40 yards down the beach. I don not necessarily believe in 'paranormal'. 'triangles' are just excuses to NOT find an answer. or not even look for one. Lake Michigan (and the rest of the Great Lakes) first problem, is the name. Lake. people think lake and picture that nice little body of water behind their house that they can take their boat out on and fish. so every one underestimates the Great Lakes and doesnt pay the due respect a SEA should get. Second. as they are deep (ish), For their surface area, they are very shallow. which means dynamic. even wind can stir MOST of the lakes into a froth. LOVE the Great Lakes. will never leave. LOVE lake Michigan. but the second you underestimate it? it will kill you.
Hey kid! I’m a Ludington, MI native and absolutely love all your videos, especially those concerning the Great Lakes! I watch your channel and videos over and over. Very interesting, calming and relaxing for me. I must say you have a gift for narration and video production! Being from Michigan I would like to help you a bit on pronunciation. Mackinac is pronounced Mack-in-awe. I’m not being critical, only trying to help. Again, your channel is my favorite nautical themed channel out there! I’m and old sailor myself. My father was as well. He worked for the C&O railroad car ferries from 1960-70. I have crossed Lake Michigan many times, on many big old boats. SS Badger is the last of the fleet of 7 from the 60s, still crossing Lake Michigan from Ludington to Manitawoc during the summer months. Keep up the great work! The more Great Lakes videos, the better! Your a smart kid and I just wanted you to know that I really appreciate you and all your hard work!
I grew up on Lake Erie. And let me just say. The Great Lakes hold beauty and horror. Speaking just to what’s known, the undertow within the lakes are quite terrifying.
I live in Manitowoc. Last year I was out fishing early in the morning and had to call the police on some stumbling drunks near the two rivers pier. They were daring each other who would jump in the pitch black water first. The next week, two people drowned by the manitowoc pier after jumping in drunk. While the water can be dangerous, it’s the drunks that are the real problem.
@@eldorado1830 I wouldn’t really call people stupid for not knowing how dangerous open water can be when they’re drunk. They look at it like a swimming pool. The problem is our educational system failing and people being so consumed with media and fantasy that they forget to teach their children about the dangers of nature.
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Thanks for another great video. The captain Donner case might seem more mysterious than it actually might be. The cabin might have been locked from the outside (some accounts say, the crew mate who went to wake the captain even thought he might have locked the cabin and gone to the galley, where he searched first). My subjective guess would be the poor man, after navigating his ship for much too long to ensure its safe passage, was so exhausted he decided to take a breath of fresh air, before going to sleep (I guess we all have experienced over-exhaustion, where you barely stand straight, yet cannot fall asleep), being exhausted might have slipped and fallen overboard unnoticed.
I agree, I think exhaustion has everything to do with his disappearance. The simplest answer is usually the correct one in cases like this. It could also potentially be that he wasn't in as good a state of mind as his crew believed him to be, and the exhaustion triggered an acute mental health crisis, ending in him taking his own life. If that was the case, the fact it was a special occasion may have factored into it too.
I agree with you both. I had the same thought. Maybe in his exhaustion, he simply slipped, and after 3 hours... well, he wouldn't be found. Many possibilities, but the simplest is usually correct, as stated above. Be well, and stay safe all.
I am from Sheboygan WI, also known as the Malibu of the Midwest because of the waves and ability to freshwater surf. We are on Lake Michigan right between Manitowoc (Man-ih-toe-walk) and Milwaukee. It’s drilled into our heads to NEVER swim alone, even if it’s shallow. The riptides are brutal and can pull you in over forty feet in less than 5 seconds. There are also underwater cliffs; you can be standing, take a step, and sink down if you aren’t careful. It’s absolutely beautiful, and our lakes have some of the biggest and oldest natural sand dunes in the US. If you visit Sheboygan, make sure to stop by the Lottie Cooper, a schooner built in 1876, and sunk in what is now the harbor marina in 1894. In honor of the one crew member that lost his life, the ship was preserved and memorialized. It is free to view, and can be found off of the marina parking lot. Terry Andre/Kohler Andre State Park is the home of our sand dunes, and while I don’t think you can still sled down them anymore (preservation) they’re beautiful to see. They’re nothing like the Door Co (WI) or Michigan Dunes, but are still a sight to enjoy. If you visit the UP (Michigan’s Upper Peninsula) head to Paradise to see the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum. They’ve amassed a collection of artifacts from lost vessels (including the bell from the Edmund Fitzgerald) but also do important and wonderful work in education and conservation.
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Ok, the very first time I visited Lake Michigan at Silverbeach in St. Joe, my Dad warned me "Do Not To Swim Out To Far!" He made it totally clear that there is an under tow in that area of the lake that will pull you out to the middle of the lake. I thought this was something old people told there kids to get them to behave better. Well, there is an under tow, and you can feel it. My Dad was right. I swam back to shore and was beat when I can ashore. You must have respect for the Lakes, or they will do away with you real fast.
It's technically a rip current and it won't carry you to the middle of the lake, just far enough out where if you're not a good swimmer you'll be in trouble.
@@stevegantz8620 Even if you're a good swimmer, you'll be in trouble. We Danes have rip currents all along the coastline of Jutland that faces the North Sea. You don't know where they are, when they'll arise or how powerful they are, until you are close or in the middle of one. Countless German tourists have died over the years from getting into one of these rip currents and getting dragged out to sea. They're usually dragged far enough out to warrant rescue by helicopter rather than by a small boat and even great swimmers have lost their lives to these rip currents, simply from being dragged so far out that there's no return without help. But if no one knows you're gone, help will never come.
I live here at least a dozen people drown on that beach and pier every year. 10 out of 12 people are not from here. We have signs and warnings but out of towners just don’t take it seriously. Pier jumpers don’t realize the water is much colder and the waves much stronger in that little cove that’s also filled with giant rocks. I don’t swim there without a life jacket.
@@Arterexius yeah that’s the ocean. Much different than the lake. I’ve been pulled out more than once into the lake but if you have common sense it’s not hard to make it back but the ocean will drag you for miles make you near impossible to find.
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Amazing watch. The great lakes have so much beauty but demand so much respect, your narration is spot-on. Thank for your time and HARD work. "So much history -- So little time"
I live in mich. Been boating in the triangle for 55 yrs. I’ve seen huge storms come out of nowhere. Crazy rogue waves but most die in swimming accidents. Currents on the beaches can get very strong.
I was born in Zeeland and spent my time on the beaches of Holland, St. Joe, Saugatuck, Grand Haven, and Ludington in all seasons. Dad and I sailed his butterfly and were chased off the lake by more than one monster of a sudden storm. We were that family that ran in during the red flag days of the 90s for some serious wave jumping with my parents leading the charge. I grew up on and learned to love Lake Michigan in all her seasons and moods. But that said, I learned that like any great beauty, if you stick around long enough, she'll show you her temper. And she's as viciously deadly as she is stunning.
Eerie, excellent video! All new stories to me. I really like your approach and your sense of humour! You have great way of telling a story. Thanks so much!
My first husband was a sailor on the freighters on the Great Lakes and mentioned more than once about the Lake Michigan anomalies. Compasses can go off in this area, and other things were occurring that the sailors were aware of.
I grew up 3 blocks away from Lake Huron . It definitely has sneaker storms, I also lived very close to Lake Superior, the winter snows that come off of that lake are amazing.
As someone who A.) Has a job that involves being around while everyone else goes on vacation, and B.) Works outside a lot and is NOT built for the heat and sun, I absolutely feel you on summer not being the best season.
The Great Lakes are a place of their own when it comes to Maritime Lore. The Great Lakes have their own version of The Flying Dutchman in the form of The SS Bannockburn, and they have their own Bermuda Triangle in the form of the Lake Michigan Triangle.
Captain Donner is a weird one, but otherwise (after watching your videos for so long), my answer is, "It's the Great Lakes." Thanks for another excellent narrative.
I grew up on Lake Michigan in northern lower Michigan and it can be very deceptive if you don't know how to read it. Rip currents are the worst. If you find yourself caught in one, don't fight it. Swim parallel to the shore and you'll get out of it. You might have to take a long walk on the beach back to your stuff, but you'll be alive.
And those summer time water temperatures disappear in heartbeat, when a thunderstorm blows up off the lake. When the storm comes in, it churns the water out of the shallows into the deeper parts of the lake. And it’s replaced by water that’s just above freezing 🥶, even in August. Born and raised on Lake Michigan. And I have heard enough experiences to fill many volumes.
As a solo sailor, I'd take 20 foot ocean waves over 5 foot waves on the great lake's With that said lake superior is the most beautiful place in the world
Thanks you for treating this seriously. All the Great lakes are big and always potentially dangerous. They are called inland seas and out of sight of land, especially before direct communication with shore, anything can happen. There are localized storms that blow up out of no where called a white squall, where the water is covered with white cap waves. When dealing with such unpredictable places with the possibility of very localized sever weather, vessels going missing isn't a mystery... it's a tragedy. What happened to Captain Donner is definitely a mystery though. Don't feel too bad about mispronouncing Mackinac. Best my research says is that it is a old Native American word that has come down to us through 2 different native langues, written down by French explorers, and this word isn't given an anglicized pronunciation. It's also spelled Mackinaw depending on what the word refers to. Livernois is pronounced like it's spelled. The 'Sault' in Sault Ste. Marie is pronounced 'sue', like the girl's name. The Michigan is filled with linguistic traps.
@@vampcaff Actually this was all off the top of my head. I've just done a lot of research and I talked to plenty of local maritime history buffs here in Michigan. I always wondered if I could accidentally sound like an encyclopedia. I'll take that Wikipedia comment as a compliment. 😄 Also, the description of a white squall is almost a direct quote from a Stan Rodgers song 'White Squall', because he got the description right.
In 1984, a friend of mine was racing in a solo handed race on Lake Michigan. His boat washed ashore between Muskegon and Grand Haven. But, Mike was not on board. There was evidence that he slipped near the mast. You could see a shoe print that was clearly sliding. The weather was calm with NO storms on Lake Michigan during the race. He never was seen again. His body is still in Lake Michigan. The Great Lakes don't give up their dead, easily! RIP to all those sailors who have lost their lives on Lakes and Oceans!
DON'T PANIC was one of the first things I learned when being taught to swim in lake Michigan, and it's the best advice, the under tow will pull you out but it spits you back out and as long as you don't panic (air in your lungs) then it'll spit you out in about 30 seconds to a minute unless its a big one and then you shouldn't have been in the water to begin with. I grew up right on the lake and she demands respect or she takes it.
There ‘s nothing mysterious about high waves, strong winds, undercurrents, and cold water. I lived in Duluth when I was a kid, dad was a Great Lakes sailor, and the lakes have always been treacherous. Treat them with respect….they are deep, cold, and changeable.
Don't know if I am swallowing the whole lake Michigan triangle mystery thing. The great lakes are just so huge they are capable of generating their own weather systems. Either way very well presented as usual. Keep up the interesting and highly educational videos. ❤the channel!
The Macinac and Mackinaw are due to the French and English having control over the same area. The AC is sounded in French as AW. When the British heard the pronunciation they spelled it with the AW. I have lived around the lakes, specifically Michigan all my life. Born in northwest Indiana just a few miles from shore, then the Chicago area and now 40 years in Michigan. I love the lakes, the freighters and the lighthouses. Keep up the wonderful work as your channel is a breath of fresh air.
I think people who don't know the lakes and or haven't grew up around them don't understand how quickly the waves can change and how just because it's a calm day the water can be not so calm.and the undertoes are very sneaky
I'm afraid you've been betrayed by phonics. "Mackinac," is pronounced "Makinaw." You've got some great videos that I've really loved, please keep up the great work! (Edited because I can't spell, even on those times I may know how to pronounce things.)
Im a Michigan native and growing up and going to Lake Michigan you grow up respecting the Lakes. My cousin died while swimming on Lake Michigan a few years ago.
You should do something about the Kinross disappearance... I know you are oriented towards surface shipping, but technically speaking aircraft are called "ships", and for that matter surface ships were involved in the search efforts. I would really enjoy seeing your take on the incident. I often wonder, what happened to Robert L. Wilson and Felix Moncla..? But in any event, keep up the good work! 🙂
One thing about Lake Michigan for smaller boats to understand, is that the middle of the lake is always a very confused sea. Sometimes it gets wider depending on the weather. Storms also form over the lake, that seem to stay on the lake. I had a fellow sailor disappear between Grand Haven and Muskegon. He was racing a solo race. His 36 foot brand new sailboat, washed ashore in the area. Weather wasn't that bad on shore. His experience was very high. He was never found. Many boats and the coast guard searched for 4 days, with no evidence of where he went. That was in 1983, and was never found. Never considered this possibility.
Please keep making videos on great lakes ship history. It’s absolutely fascinating and an overlooked part of history. keep it up. Michigan native here.
When I was a kid growing up in Kalamazoo we would go to lake Michigan and I didn't at the time know about the triangle, but we would swim right at the southern tip of it and I always had a strange feeling about that area.
I treated Lake Michigan like an inland Ocean. I went no further than thigh deep. One year I made the mistake of getting in the water early June. I had to be carried out because the cold was like a million needles in my legs. While others were not phased by the cold temperature of the water .
In nearly every town from ludington down to south haven, there are 1-2 big piers, these greatly increase the danger for swimmers and small craft when weather changes. Large increases in rip currents and waves happen very quickly
Crazy, just 2 weeks ago, we too a group of scouts to Muskegon Michigan, just south of Ludington. We did let the swim in the Lake, which put them in the triangle.
Like the content:never seen the Great Lakes except from the air. I also like the author: good energy, excellent dialogue and timing for me to digest the information. Thank you for that!
Yet another awesome video 👍 And my therapy is listening to your voice! Very calming, and if you’re paying close attention, I catch your jokes in some of your videos… Thanks for everything you do Brad!
Man-a-to-wok Wisconsin... worked on a charter boat 2 summers when I was 15/16. Save two guys (46 and 64) my second season whos 18 foot lund flipped in 6 foot rollers. We were in a 36 foot Trojan. Also have escaped some ruff weather coming in with my dad on a 16 foot tracker. Michigan is a real animal.
A friend of mine drowned in lake michigan in weather conditions similar to what the big fitz sunk in. *the month happend to be november aswell and at night* stay away from the beach and piers when the lake is angry and cold....but some people never learn and it gets them killed.
I really enjoy your channel, for the interesting stories you tell and the excellent way you present them. tonight, you brought back a memory. in elementary school, about 1980ish, I had a friend who was half Pottawatomie. we were in Wichita (I still am) but his father lived on the reservation north of Topeka. I remembered my friend telling our class the story of how his ancestors were brought to Kansas. hadn't thought about that in years, thank you for this little trip back through time :)
My dad has been a wheelsman on the wilfred sykes for 35 years. An ore ship. After all the stories iv heard from him and his crew, there are numerous things that could have taken lives. Not to mention iv lived on the lake my whole life just lacking open water experince. Its extremely dangerous at most anytime. The sketchy part is that you can have glass water and 10 footers appear in minutes. No time to escape. Im pretty sure the sykes still has videos on youtube as the captain was a storn chaser, showing 20 and 30 foot waves washing over the deck of the massive ship.
Thanks for another Great Lakes video. I grew up in the Muskegon/Whitehall area, and now live in Zeeland, so very close to Lake Michigan. I'm not sure where you got your map, but it seems they decided to wipe out Muskegon County and combine it with Ottawa County! Do not trust whoever you got that map from again lol
HOHO 7:36 We used to live in Kenosha :3 Loved that place Okay but in alk seriousness, I went swimming in Lake Michigan once and almost went out into the sea. It was terrifying and no one was helping me as I was literally clawing the rocks and yelling for help :/ Been terrified of it ever since
Excellent presentation! And kudos for not glossing over, nor ignoring completely, the forced relocation and "education", of the indigenous tribes involved in the Le Griffon story.
I was at Grand Haven back in the 80s sometime when a young man was lost to the big lake... He was only 12 and I can still remember it like it was yesterday
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If one thinks deep back in the 70s Jonny Carson wise cracked about his exp when the water on Lake Michigan all of sudden turned violent in like really hot calm 90 degree weather it went from totally calm in a split second and he said the water color actually changed. I had that very same exp with being on a 57 cabin cruiser with a colleague and friends ex wife. The man told me point blank the sole reasons he divorced her was she was a few bubbles off plumb and that was when she piloted this 57 footer into the middle of that lake I knew she wasn't sane... I saw boats that coulda hit and swallowed that little cabin cruiser and legit claimed they never knew they hit anything. Not to mention when the storm brewed up the water went from the normal putrid stinky pea green to a glowing purplish blue which other mariners have reported. That dip stick broad had no brains no mind to be out in the middle of that lake with that toy boat with me on it and that was the end of the relationship with us when I forcibly took over the helm that afternoon. I even called a mayday n the radio to let people know we were in trouble as the storm intensified it totally sheered off the engine hatch cover which she had open to cool the motors. Later part of the upper bridge roof was sheered off & left hanging over to the port side. If I was not so busy trying to save my own life I probably woulda crapped my own pants especially when the water literally changed colors and started to like glow was the interesting part. At that time I was not that interested in the weird glowing water not at all. Whether it was the sun or the sun angle the waters in the middle of Lake Michigan began to like glow a purplish blue color not the sick smelly green color I remember. I don't know how the hell anyone can even swim in water that stinks like that water does stink. Then think that some people take literal toy boats among them gargantuan ships that traverse that lake. I mean my buddies ex has more money than brains and some people die of that scenario too like she probably will.
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Most of the people dying in Lake Michigan overestimate their ability and underestimate her treachery. No real mystery to that; My wife and I were in the lake today and it went from no waves to 6 footers in a heartbeat. Also, it's Mackinac is pronounced Mack-in-aw. Much love for the videos!
Yep, Mackinaw is near my stomping grounds.
Edit: Hey, another Wisconsinite here, he also mispronounced Manitowoc, for those curious it's pronounced kinda' like man-it-uh-wok. I agree that there's no mystery, tides, currents, weather, and hypothermia is all it takes.
Higher population in the triangle area also adds to the largest death tolls.Not taking anything from the condition of the lake itself.Just a observation.
@@adspur Chicago n Indiana side, by far have a much greater population but 4sho
@@adspurexactly, waters are just as dangerous further up, there's just a lot less people. The only area that's not really dangerous is the bay area around the peninsula that's pretty protected.
As someone who learned to sail on the Great Lakes, it was drilled into me that ocean sailors coming to our lakes often have difficulty managing to sail well, and that Great Lakes sailors often have no problems on the oceans (besides tides). I sailed on the ocean once, and the waves were larger, but more regular and easier to manage.
Many of the early wrecks are likely from ocean sailors thinking the Lakes are simply freshwater oceans. They’re not. The waves ricochet off shores and make for chaotic, short-interval waves. And as others have mentioned, storms can appear suddenly out of clear blue skies and wreck havoc.
I love the Great Lakes, and I love sailing on them. But they are weird. And easily underestimated.
Easily underestimated yes but they don’t come close to the dangers that the ocean has to offer in many places.
Living on Lake Erie, about an hour west of Cleveland, the storms on these lakes are nothing to mess with. It can be a beautiful day, and in 5 minutes that can change drastically. Just this last weekend, we started off with a beautiful Saturday, and then severe storms rolled in instantaneously. This isnt even saying anything about what happens in November. Thats a whole different animal when a cold front moves in. You dont want to be out on the lake when severe storms are in the area. Could you imagine how it was when we couldnt predict weather beyond "its raining outside" or "its sunny and hot"?
I agree. Live just outside of Toledo. These lakes can quickly turn deadly.
@@darthdeviousMichigan native, went to school in sault ste. marie. I check that, these Lakes aren’t anything to underestimate, that’s for sure.
Sandusky?
@@rustyshacklefordrefined5756 close. But I was actually at CP when the storms came through. Went from clear blue sky, to tornado watch in the course of 10 mins.
Detroit River can get pretty nasty even!
I have a friend who sailed the great lakes most of his life. According to him they're more treacherous than the ocean. Shifting cargo when a ship is caught in a sudden squal can break a ship in half. The sudden violent weather, the topography of the lake floor, a forgotten detail, carelessness, just plain bad luck and a ship is lost. Those lakes are littered with unlucky mishaps.
Yup I haven't sailed the great lakes but I'm from the Caribbean. Much greater "fear" of these waters.
@@swirledworld340 It's not so bad 😊
You have to be insane to think that fresh water lake is more treacherous than the ocean. Lived on Lake Michigan all my life and never seen a wave over 12ft. The undertow power of the lake doesn’t come close to what the ocean can do.
@@joh466living here you should know it’s not the wave height, although they do get 20-30 foot plus, but the wave frequency and denser water. I’m sure you know more than all the sailors that have sailed both oceans and the lakes though. They pretty much all say the lakes are scarier
@@peterdragon6367 they say they are more dangerous because people say it’s just a lake and underestimate it. not because it comes even close to the ocean
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Absolutely love these videos! I grew up about 40 minutes from the Benton Harbor/St Joseph Michigan area. Local news in the summer regularly talked about drownings due to the rip currents. A lot of the beaches there have sand bars close to shore, and when they break out, things get scary. I've been caught in a couple small rips, and can say that it's absolutely terrifying, even as a competent swimmer.
I go to Silver Beach all the time with my son and we take our noodles. We dont notice the rips because of the noodles and we are usually swimming sideways trying to go from the swimming area to some random spot on the pier. I eventually want to make it out to the lighthouse lol
@tommywolfe2706 even with the noodle, if you got caught in one, you'd notice. I've never felt any rips at Silver Beach, but definitely at Warren Dunes
@@apancher I thought that I had already been in some.....and now I am feeling reckless and stupid and will definitely weigh my decisions, especially with my son around a lot more from here on out.
I have lived my whole life with in about half hour of Lake Michigan. (in Michigan). I have been swimming when it was 2-3 foot breakers that with in minutes turned into 10' waves. felt rip currents drag me 40 yards down the beach. I don not necessarily believe in 'paranormal'. 'triangles' are just excuses to NOT find an answer. or not even look for one.
Lake Michigan (and the rest of the Great Lakes) first problem, is the name. Lake. people think lake and picture that nice little body of water behind their house that they can take their boat out on and fish. so every one underestimates the Great Lakes and doesnt pay the due respect a SEA should get. Second. as they are deep (ish), For their surface area, they are very shallow. which means dynamic. even wind can stir MOST of the lakes into a froth. LOVE the Great Lakes. will never leave. LOVE lake Michigan. but the second you underestimate it? it will kill you.
AMEN!
The big Pond 😊
Erie, as the shallowest of the five is particularly treacherous!
@@vilstef6988 exactly.
I'm underestimating it right now and I'm just fine.
Hey kid! I’m a Ludington, MI native and absolutely love all your videos, especially those concerning the Great Lakes! I watch your channel and videos over and over. Very interesting, calming and relaxing for me. I must say you have a gift for narration and video production! Being from Michigan I would like to help you a bit on pronunciation. Mackinac is pronounced Mack-in-awe. I’m not being critical, only trying to help. Again, your channel is my favorite nautical themed channel out there! I’m and old sailor myself. My father was as well. He worked for the C&O railroad car ferries from 1960-70. I have crossed Lake Michigan many times, on many big old boats. SS Badger is the last of the fleet of 7 from the 60s, still crossing Lake Michigan from Ludington to Manitawoc during the summer months. Keep up the great work! The more Great Lakes videos, the better! Your a smart kid and I just wanted you to know that I really appreciate you and all your hard work!
I grew up on Lake Erie. And let me just say. The Great Lakes hold beauty and horror. Speaking just to what’s known, the undertow within the lakes are quite terrifying.
Mermaids are known to avoid Erie like a plague
I live in Manitowoc. Last year I was out fishing early in the morning and had to call the police on some stumbling drunks near the two rivers pier. They were daring each other who would jump in the pitch black water first. The next week, two people drowned by the manitowoc pier after jumping in drunk. While the water can be dangerous, it’s the drunks that are the real problem.
Stupid is as stupid does.
@@eldorado1830 I wouldn’t really call people stupid for not knowing how dangerous open water can be when they’re drunk. They look at it like a swimming pool. The problem is our educational system failing and people being so consumed with media and fantasy that they forget to teach their children about the dangers of nature.
Natural selection. It all works out
@@Jimmy-yf3ypthe problem is the world hates Jesus and so does the school system. The moment they took god out of school in the 60s crimes never stopped sky rocketing.
Why do the drunks keep drowning people?? 🧐
Thanks for another great video.
The captain Donner case might seem more mysterious than it actually might be. The cabin might have been locked from the outside (some accounts say, the crew mate who went to wake the captain even thought he might have locked the cabin and gone to the galley, where he searched first). My subjective guess would be the poor man, after navigating his ship for much too long to ensure its safe passage, was so exhausted he decided to take a breath of fresh air, before going to sleep (I guess we all have experienced over-exhaustion, where you barely stand straight, yet cannot fall asleep), being exhausted might have slipped and fallen overboard unnoticed.
I agree, I think exhaustion has everything to do with his disappearance. The simplest answer is usually the correct one in cases like this. It could also potentially be that he wasn't in as good a state of mind as his crew believed him to be, and the exhaustion triggered an acute mental health crisis, ending in him taking his own life. If that was the case, the fact it was a special occasion may have factored into it too.
I agree with you both. I had the same thought. Maybe in his exhaustion, he simply slipped, and after 3 hours... well, he wouldn't be found. Many possibilities, but the simplest is usually correct, as stated above. Be well, and stay safe all.
I am from Sheboygan WI, also known as the Malibu of the Midwest because of the waves and ability to freshwater surf. We are on Lake Michigan right between Manitowoc (Man-ih-toe-walk) and Milwaukee. It’s drilled into our heads to NEVER swim alone, even if it’s shallow. The riptides are brutal and can pull you in over forty feet in less than 5 seconds. There are also underwater cliffs; you can be standing, take a step, and sink down if you aren’t careful.
It’s absolutely beautiful, and our lakes have some of the biggest and oldest natural sand dunes in the US. If you visit Sheboygan, make sure to stop by the Lottie Cooper, a schooner built in 1876, and sunk in what is now the harbor marina in 1894. In honor of the one crew member that lost his life, the ship was preserved and memorialized. It is free to view, and can be found off of the marina parking lot. Terry Andre/Kohler Andre State Park is the home of our sand dunes, and while I don’t think you can still sled down them anymore (preservation) they’re beautiful to see. They’re nothing like the Door Co (WI) or Michigan Dunes, but are still a sight to enjoy.
If you visit the UP (Michigan’s Upper Peninsula) head to Paradise to see the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum. They’ve amassed a collection of artifacts from lost vessels (including the bell from the Edmund Fitzgerald) but also do important and wonderful work in education and conservation.
Hello fellow Sheboyganite! *wavewave*
Cheboygan is the correct spelling isn't it?
@@mj2672 Sheboygan is in WI, Cheboygan is in Michigan.
@@mj2672 There is a Sheboygan, WI and a Cheboygan, MI.
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Uggghhhh!!! I LOVE your channel so much. The time and effort you put into each of these videos is very apparent. Thank you so very much for doing what you do. 🥰⛵🥰
Classic girl onomatopoeia
One of the best narrators on UA-cam along with Fascination Horror, Top 5s and Criminally Listed.
Ok, the very first time I visited Lake Michigan at Silverbeach in St. Joe, my Dad warned me "Do Not To Swim Out To Far!" He made it totally clear that there is an under tow in that area of the lake that will pull you out to the middle of the lake.
I thought this was something old people told there kids to get them to behave better. Well, there is an under tow, and you can feel it. My Dad was right. I swam back to shore and was beat when I can ashore.
You must have respect for the Lakes, or they will do away with you real fast.
It's technically a rip current and it won't carry you to the middle of the lake, just far enough out where if you're not a good swimmer you'll be in trouble.
@@stevegantz8620 Even if you're a good swimmer, you'll be in trouble. We Danes have rip currents all along the coastline of Jutland that faces the North Sea. You don't know where they are, when they'll arise or how powerful they are, until you are close or in the middle of one. Countless German tourists have died over the years from getting into one of these rip currents and getting dragged out to sea. They're usually dragged far enough out to warrant rescue by helicopter rather than by a small boat and even great swimmers have lost their lives to these rip currents, simply from being dragged so far out that there's no return without help. But if no one knows you're gone, help will never come.
I agree, take them seriously. @@Arterexius
I live here at least a dozen people drown on that beach and pier every year. 10 out of 12 people are not from here. We have signs and warnings but out of towners just don’t take it seriously. Pier jumpers don’t realize the water is much colder and the waves much stronger in that little cove that’s also filled with giant rocks. I don’t swim there without a life jacket.
@@Arterexius yeah that’s the ocean. Much different than the lake. I’ve been pulled out more than once into the lake but if you have common sense it’s not hard to make it back but the ocean will drag you for miles make you near impossible to find.
Hey, so… better help is actually awful. There’s been a lot of issues, including selling data and bad therapists. I’d probably stop getting sponsored by them and definitely don’t join
I'm not at all comfortable with selling therapy through commercial sponsorship. It raises all sorts of ethical issues.
Nice, thanks for the info. This is exactly what I feared. How sickening.
In most places you can find spots that will do a sliding scale for you. Real therapy is better anyway
I had a terrible experience with Better Help.
but.. but... money
My Dads cousin disappeared in Lake Michigan in the mid 1950's. He was a red cross certified lifeguard. They never found him.
Feral Women in the Woods capturing Breeding Mate's?
It doesn’t matter if it’s spelled Mackinac or Mackinaw it’s all pronounced with the aw ending. A relic of the French and then British influences
Thank you, hearing the ac ending hurts every time
@@mobilegamemadness2763 throw back to my years with Mackinac State Historic Parks
Tell that to the gal who crossed the bridge in the Yugo.
Hey, at least that's better than the Manitowoc pronunciation.
Even plenty of Michiganders say Mack in Ack.
Amazing watch. The great lakes have so much beauty but demand so much respect, your narration is spot-on. Thank for your time and HARD work.
"So much history -- So little time"
I feel so privileged to be here 😁 I never knew Lake Michigan had a triangle. Thanks for the new video, Brad
Thank you for watching!
man-eh-toe-wok lol. wisconsin cities are so hard to pronounce. as a Wisconsinite it’s funny to hear people try and say it. AWESOME VIDEO DUDE.
I live in mich. Been boating in the triangle for 55 yrs. I’ve seen huge storms come out of nowhere. Crazy rogue waves but most die in swimming accidents. Currents on the beaches can get very strong.
I was born in Zeeland and spent my time on the beaches of Holland, St. Joe, Saugatuck, Grand Haven, and Ludington in all seasons. Dad and I sailed his butterfly and were chased off the lake by more than one monster of a sudden storm. We were that family that ran in during the red flag days of the 90s for some serious wave jumping with my parents leading the charge.
I grew up on and learned to love Lake Michigan in all her seasons and moods. But that said, I learned that like any great beauty, if you stick around long enough, she'll show you her temper. And she's as viciously deadly as she is stunning.
Eerie, excellent video! All new stories to me. I really like your approach and your sense of humour! You have great way of telling a story. Thanks so much!
My first husband was a sailor on the freighters on the Great Lakes and mentioned more than once about the Lake Michigan anomalies. Compasses can go off in this area, and other things were occurring that the sailors were aware of.
I can tell you're not from Michigan because you pronounce it Mack-a-nack. It's Mack-a-naw, my friends.
Hey said Manitowoc Wisconsin wrong too lmao
I bet he mispronounced Illinois as illinoise....lol
I grew up 3 blocks away from Lake Huron . It definitely has sneaker storms, I also lived very close to Lake Superior, the winter snows that come off of that lake are amazing.
I like how the most replayed feature really just helps us see when the sponsored segment ends
Feel blessed to be born in Michigan.❤❤❤❤
As someone who A.) Has a job that involves being around while everyone else goes on vacation, and B.) Works outside a lot and is NOT built for the heat and sun, I absolutely feel you on summer not being the best season.
Got that summertime sadness?
Sorry. Just messing with you.
I'm with you brother. Fuck the heat. Though probably more accurately, fuck humidity.
I love how you match up these old films perfectly with the stories.
The Great Lakes are a place of their own when it comes to Maritime Lore. The Great Lakes have their own version of The Flying Dutchman in the form of The SS Bannockburn, and they have their own Bermuda Triangle in the form of the Lake Michigan Triangle.
Captain Donner is a weird one, but otherwise (after watching your videos for so long), my answer is, "It's the Great Lakes." Thanks for another excellent narrative.
Lifelong michigander, always love the Great Lakes stories
I grew up on Lake Michigan in northern lower Michigan and it can be very deceptive if you don't know how to read it. Rip currents are the worst. If you find yourself caught in one, don't fight it. Swim parallel to the shore and you'll get out of it. You might have to take a long walk on the beach back to your stuff, but you'll be alive.
There's a rip off of Sydney called the New Zealand express cause that's where you'll end up
And those summer time water temperatures disappear in heartbeat, when a thunderstorm blows up off the lake.
When the storm comes in, it churns the water out of the shallows into the deeper parts of the lake.
And it’s replaced by water that’s just above freezing 🥶,
even in August.
Born and raised on Lake Michigan.
And I have heard enough experiences to fill many volumes.
As a solo sailor, I'd take 20 foot ocean waves over 5 foot waves on the great lake's
With that said lake superior is the most beautiful place in the world
Agreed 👏
Maybe that's why they call it superior
As a Muskegon, MI native and resident... this was a must watch!!!
Thanks you for treating this seriously. All the Great lakes are big and always potentially dangerous. They are called inland seas and out of sight of land, especially before direct communication with shore, anything can happen. There are localized storms that blow up out of no where called a white squall, where the water is covered with white cap waves. When dealing with such unpredictable places with the possibility of very localized sever weather, vessels going missing isn't a mystery... it's a tragedy.
What happened to Captain Donner is definitely a mystery though.
Don't feel too bad about mispronouncing Mackinac. Best my research says is that it is a old Native American word that has come down to us through 2 different native langues, written down by French explorers, and this word isn't given an anglicized pronunciation. It's also spelled Mackinaw depending on what the word refers to. Livernois is pronounced like it's spelled. The 'Sault' in Sault Ste. Marie is pronounced 'sue', like the girl's name. The Michigan is filled with linguistic traps.
Some one knows how to use Wikipedia...
@@vampcaff Actually this was all off the top of my head. I've just done a lot of research and I talked to plenty of local maritime history buffs here in Michigan.
I always wondered if I could accidentally sound like an encyclopedia. I'll take that Wikipedia comment as a compliment. 😄
Also, the description of a white squall is almost a direct quote from a Stan Rodgers song 'White Squall', because he got the description right.
Nothing i hate more than continuously hearing these better help therapy ads. I get okay
In 1984, a friend of mine was racing in a solo handed race on Lake Michigan. His boat washed ashore between Muskegon and Grand Haven. But, Mike was not on board. There was evidence that he slipped near the mast. You could see a shoe print that was clearly sliding. The weather was calm with NO storms on Lake Michigan during the race. He never was seen again. His body is still in Lake Michigan. The Great Lakes don't give up their dead, easily! RIP to all those sailors who have lost their lives on Lakes and Oceans!
You did a good job here! One critique- it’s the straits of Mackinac is pronounced Mackinaw like saw 😊
I’ve lived in Ludington all my life. Multiple drownings every year. There was just one yesterday. Lake Michigan is no joke.
DON'T PANIC was one of the first things I learned when being taught to swim in lake Michigan, and it's the best advice, the under tow will pull you out but it spits you back out and as long as you don't panic (air in your lungs) then it'll spit you out in about 30 seconds to a minute unless its a big one and then you shouldn't have been in the water to begin with. I grew up right on the lake and she demands respect or she takes it.
There ‘s nothing mysterious about high waves, strong winds, undercurrents, and cold water. I lived in Duluth when I was a kid, dad was a Great Lakes sailor, and the lakes have always been treacherous. Treat them with respect….they are deep, cold, and changeable.
Don't know if I am swallowing the whole lake Michigan triangle mystery thing. The great lakes are just so huge they are capable of generating their own weather systems. Either way very well presented as usual. Keep up the interesting and highly educational videos. ❤the channel!
The Macinac and Mackinaw are due to the French and English having control over the same area. The AC is sounded in French as AW. When the British heard the pronunciation they spelled it with the AW. I have lived around the lakes, specifically Michigan all my life. Born in northwest Indiana just a few miles from shore, then the Chicago area and now 40 years in Michigan. I love the lakes, the freighters and the lighthouses. Keep up the wonderful work as your channel is a breath of fresh air.
I enjoy your presentations. I also like the somber way you present the information. Your voice is suited to these type of stories.
I was born and raised in Michigan and visited the Great Lakes. This was really interesting, thanks for sharing.
I think people who don't know the lakes and or haven't grew up around them don't understand how quickly the waves can change and how just because it's a calm day the water can be not so calm.and the undertoes are very sneaky
I'm afraid you've been betrayed by phonics. "Mackinac," is pronounced "Makinaw."
You've got some great videos that I've really loved, please keep up the great work!
(Edited because I can't spell, even on those times I may know how to pronounce things.)
I was half distracted while the video was playing and snapped to attention as soon as it was pronounced incorrectly 😂
You might want to edit your edit 😅
@@vampcaff Naw, I've made my good faith effort.
😅
Im a Michigan native and growing up and going to Lake Michigan you grow up respecting the Lakes. My cousin died while swimming on Lake Michigan a few years ago.
You should do something about the Kinross disappearance... I know you are oriented towards surface shipping, but technically speaking aircraft are called "ships", and for that matter surface ships were involved in the search efforts. I would really enjoy seeing your take on the incident. I often wonder, what happened to Robert L. Wilson and Felix Moncla..? But in any event, keep up the good work! 🙂
So happy to see a new video from you!! I've been rewatching a bunch of your videos to bide the time :)
Mackinac is actually pronounced Mak - in -awe.
Kind of like Tucson being pronounced Two- son.
A minor point. I love your work.
I grew up right on the beach in Holland, MI. Definitely witnessed a lot of mysterious lights at night over the lake. Area is gorgeous though.
I love South Haven - such a great vacation town!
One thing about Lake Michigan for smaller boats to understand, is that the middle of the lake is always a very confused sea. Sometimes it gets wider depending on the weather. Storms also form over the lake, that seem to stay on the lake. I had a fellow sailor disappear between Grand Haven and Muskegon. He was racing a solo race. His 36 foot brand new sailboat, washed ashore in the area. Weather wasn't that bad on shore. His experience was very high. He was never found. Many boats and the coast guard searched for 4 days, with no evidence of where he went. That was in 1983, and was never found. Never considered this possibility.
Please keep making videos on great lakes ship history. It’s absolutely fascinating and an overlooked part of history. keep it up. Michigan native here.
When I was a kid growing up in Kalamazoo we would go to lake Michigan and I didn't at the time know about the triangle, but we would swim right at the southern tip of it and I always had a strange feeling about that area.
I hope that your basement never gets haunted
I treated Lake Michigan like an inland Ocean. I went no further than thigh deep. One year I made the mistake of getting in the water early June. I had to be carried out because the cold was like a million needles in my legs. While others were not phased by the cold temperature of the water .
Thank you....these uploads are amazing.
Great narration...Can't imagine how much research you do....thanks again
Hearing your own town is somewhat giving goose bumps. Grand haven mi 🎉
I’m a TC native, and my advice would be to take extreme caution if swimming in water that has a break wall that is perpendicular to the shore.
In nearly every town from ludington down to south haven, there are 1-2 big piers, these greatly increase the danger for swimmers and small craft when weather changes. Large increases in rip currents and waves happen very quickly
Soooo spooky; another fantastic video that reads like a campfire story!
nice!
Crazy, just 2 weeks ago, we too a group of scouts to Muskegon Michigan, just south of Ludington. We did let the swim in the Lake, which put them in the triangle.
If you’re a Missing 411 fan, there’s a lot of mysterious disappearances in that part of Michigan.
19:05 "makinack" almost made me choke on my drink 😂
Yesssss! Just what I needed today! Love a new upload!
Like the content:never seen the Great Lakes except from the air. I also like the author: good energy, excellent dialogue and timing for me to digest the information. Thank you for that!
Thanks for another great video! I've learned a lot about the Great Lakes from your channel.
Thank you! It's been really interesting learning about the region!
Yet another awesome video 👍
And my therapy is listening to your voice!
Very calming, and if you’re paying close attention, I catch your jokes in some of your videos…
Thanks for everything you do Brad!
Man-a-to-wok Wisconsin... worked on a charter boat 2 summers when I was 15/16. Save two guys (46 and 64) my second season whos 18 foot lund flipped in 6 foot rollers. We were in a 36 foot Trojan. Also have escaped some ruff weather coming in with my dad on a 16 foot tracker. Michigan is a real animal.
This Michigander loves it. I miss home, near Lake St. Clair.
It's nice to learn some of the history of our lakes. They didn't teach us much(if any) in school, from what i recall. Thanks for the video!
Im from Kenosha and we tell stories of ghost ships pretty often
A friend of mine drowned in lake michigan in weather conditions similar to what the big fitz sunk in. *the month happend to be november aswell and at night* stay away from the beach and piers when the lake is angry and cold....but some people never learn and it gets them killed.
I really enjoy your channel, for the interesting stories you tell and the excellent way you present them. tonight, you brought back a memory. in elementary school, about 1980ish, I had a friend who was half Pottawatomie. we were in Wichita (I still am) but his father lived on the reservation north of Topeka. I remembered my friend telling our class the story of how his ancestors were brought to Kansas. hadn't thought about that in years, thank you for this little trip back through time :)
My dad has been a wheelsman on the wilfred sykes for 35 years. An ore ship. After all the stories iv heard from him and his crew, there are numerous things that could have taken lives. Not to mention iv lived on the lake my whole life just lacking open water experince. Its extremely dangerous at most anytime. The sketchy part is that you can have glass water and 10 footers appear in minutes. No time to escape. Im pretty sure the sykes still has videos on youtube as the captain was a storn chaser, showing 20 and 30 foot waves washing over the deck of the massive ship.
Love your videos, always a joy when I see a new upload message!
Thanks for another Great Lakes video. I grew up in the Muskegon/Whitehall area, and now live in Zeeland, so very close to Lake Michigan. I'm not sure where you got your map, but it seems they decided to wipe out Muskegon County and combine it with Ottawa County! Do not trust whoever you got that map from again lol
It's a Canadian map from 1873 haha so I'm not shocked that it's inaccurate/ out of date
@@BigOldBoats lmao, As they said in "South Park: Bigger Longer, Uncut!" Blame Canada!!
I love your channel!! And thank you for the Therapist help link!!
HOHO 7:36
We used to live in Kenosha :3
Loved that place
Okay but in alk seriousness, I went swimming in Lake Michigan once and almost went out into the sea. It was terrifying and no one was helping me as I was literally clawing the rocks and yelling for help :/
Been terrified of it ever since
Another good one! Thanks!🙏🏼
Well done as always, much appreciated and thank you.
Excellent presentation! And kudos for not glossing over, nor ignoring completely, the forced relocation and "education", of the indigenous tribes involved in the Le Griffon story.
You certainly do your homework this is superb content thanks✌️
Wow, I am SO not used to you mentioning places I'm familiar with, I grew up outside of Milwaukee.
My dad went out on one of those sailboats that you stand on into the middle of Lake Michigan, he be crazy fr fr
I’m pretty sure all those missing boats are under the water.
Excellent video, and l have never been to the Great Lakes but these stories are very interesting 👍
I almost drowned in Lake Michigan while surfing. It's no joke.
I often wonder if some of these disappearances without a trace, like Captain Donner, aren't murders.
Or, could be suicide.
I'm surprised no ones heard of the Great Lakes Triangle from Duluth to Chicago to Kingston
I was at Grand Haven back in the 80s sometime when a young man was lost to the big lake... He was only 12 and I can still remember it like it was yesterday
Awesome video as well as the history.
Thank you Dr Paul.