@@urielmesenja1040 You need to see a doctor. It's all fantasy and make believe. Science killed god and proved that "you" crazy people are just that, crazy. Look after yourself, help will be given to those who ask.
As a plumber myself, I always wondered about a set up like this. Little did I know the guy I watch had it. The quality they put in is insane. You get what you pay for. You have a refined eye for what works. Pretty cool keep it up. Rock solid stable system
This is truly a geothermal cooling system. The in-ground heat pumps have better efficiency than using ambient air but the much higher installation costs make the payback period much longer. I've wanted to use 55 degree ground water to provide chilled water for air conditioning of an off grid home, using solar power to pump the closed loop water. The underground concrete cistern for water storage and thermal storage is brilliant.
@@tidalgardens so wen are you going to ship coral for 🇪🇺 🇩🇰 🙏🙄😊 We can send you some more pumps 👍 Kind of like a "corals for pumps" program. Sorry 🙏 You must get tired of that same question, over and over again, but we love you corals and video's.
Here is a Little information about your water pump is one of the best in the world it is designed in denmark world class pump .. You video is so good and help full I hope all the best for you and your coral farm best regards jens from Denmark
You have inspired quite a lot of people I’m sure you know. Keep it up. Starting my own coral side hustle and hope to someday grow it into something on such a scale.
@ Than I loved all the thoughts you put into this entire farm. Love the suit too. Best dressed man in reefing, hands down. No shorts are crocks for you. Love it!!
If Michaelangelo or Picasso were alive today they would be impressed. This whole building is a work of art Than. I've been looking at rainwater harvesting and this is just on another level! Probably one of the favorite parts of this whole building.
uriel mesenja WTF really dude? You know this is just an aquarium Chanel right? There are thousands of other videos with “sinners” that need saving go on!! There is a bible that’s needs beating somewhere else
uriel mesenja We ALL must answer for how we have lived our lives but it is not your place to tell others how to spend there precious time here. It is inappropriate for you to spout these comments when he posts these videos for everyone’s benefit to help all of us to become better. In these crazy times we should band together not stand on your soapbox and throw stones. Know why he has the “best” of everything? Cause he worked his ass off for years and earned it the hard way! I applaud him and I could never thank him enough for what he has taught me and many others. The educators are the real life saints! Than don’t let anybody try and bring you down! You earned the good things you have in life. Thanks for sharing it with me
uriel mesenja ok you win I am going to hell! I might as well have some fun then. Like my man Billy says I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. You win I’m gonna play with my tank now good night and good luck with all THAT! I’ll save a seat for you
Your efforts and passion for what you do really show. Thank you for sharing so much hard work and planning. I am having a really hard time trying to sort through all of the almost good enough cooling systems on UA-cam. I am looking to have a green house near my home in California and am very concerned about too much heat in the summer. Do you have any recommendations for how to keep approximately 25’-L x 60’-W x 12’-H cool? I would really like to have a geothermal system but most of the videos I’ve watched don’t instill me with a lot of confidence in keeping the Air temp below 80º-85ºf. Any help in trying to figure this out would be so appreciated. Best of luck to you in the New Year.
I love it man. Keep up the good work 👌 Your videos have helped me advance/deepen my knowledge in reef keeping immensely over the years. Wish I could work in your facility and bring my electrical ingenuity to work building/maintaining the tech you have 👍
Absolutely fantastic to see this system coming today - such a huge scale and thorough design. Question: How do you monitor water level in the cisterns? Comment: The could are a great idea but having them tightly wound (I.e. little separation between the different 'passes' of the coil) is not ideal from a heat transferperspective.
That temperature management equipment wall is just sexy and I definitely agree on the variable speed pump AIO pump-screen form-factor being neat. Also little side note, the christmas lights on the side-rail grating looks nice too :P
Hello. Do you monitor the water temperature in the cistern ? Do you see difference during the summer or winter ? Do you belive if we can use a geothermal chiller in a tropical country ? Do you also measure the water pressure inside the coils at the cirstern to monitor leaks ?
System well planned, How are you managing bacteria issues in the stored water ? What do you believe your water turn over rate is ie how much water you using Versus filling. When we do underground tanks in the UK they can if not managed well stink
I'm a big fan of yours solutions and the way you translated all of your previous knowledge always trying to eliminate old mistakes and using the state of art in equipments.im curious to know how do you monitor leakages in the cooling hoses inside the rain taks ? Can you enter in the tank to inspect the coils ? Do you also have a temp sensor inside the rain tank as well water level sensors ? I saw that you live in a super cold place. Do you have sensors controlling the internal building temperature opening windows to renovate the room air and temperature ? Thanks from a coral lover from Rio de Janeiro Brazil
So the chances of a leak in the coil is REALLY unlikely, but if there was one, I would expect to see a pressure drop in the system which would be picked up by both gauges as well as the pump display. It is possible to get into the cisterns with a ladder if you pump all the water out. As for air, we have four air exchangers called Heat Recovery Ventilators (HRVs) that constantly swap the inside air with outside air without losing a lot of heat. They work GREAT in the winter to keep the air inside the building dry.
could you get tropical level heat in a cold area to grow things more eficiently and closer to home ? or the revers extra cold in a warm place for a chilled room to store perishables ? or is it just for average heat / cooling ?
Such a great cooling system. We should be doing this in Australia with our homes. I've always been told that using rainwater on RO is difficult due to biofouling. IE since the water isn't chlorinated you get bacteria growth clogging everything up. Has that been an issue?
Any reason you haven't tried use PT-1000 temperature probes with calibration? It basically eliminates the false resistance in the cables. Since you spoke about different readings, it feels like most of the temperature probes are PT-100, which is common in commercial grade equipment. And since you mentioned clean wire management. Have you've installed a lot of back-up piping between the house and green house for future wiring/plumbing that may come? For example, a 'cable grave'.
Funny you mention the future/just in case piping. I requested several extras. Over the construction of this place the project scope expanded and we used every single one of them. My plumber was telling me the other day had he known that this place would be more research lab than warehouse he would have installed a dozen more.
This is a great behind the scenes look into the systems. You can tell you really enjoy the industrial side of things. One question. Since you have the new building do you think you will ever migrate all the livestock from the greenhouse over to the new building in order to redo the greenhouse systems to make them more efficient?
My family and staff here roll their eyes when I talk about it, but yes I would like to re-work all of the systems in the greenhouse. I would probably NOT move everything over to the new building to do so just to keep things over there as clean as possible, but there is some serious room for improvement in the greenhouse. Having said that, the existing greenhouse has some amazing state of the art tech in there, but it also has 12 years of older infrastructure that I would like to re-work.
Amazing stuff. You have definitely raised the bar for coral farms. And to think I was excited by my AWC to the garage. At some point will the water in the system warm up or be low as it’s consumed? Thanks for the very cool video Than! 😎
It is unlikely. The ground is constantly soaking up the heat, and the bottom of the cistern is over 12' down in the ground. Another way to look at it is to consider the amount of BTU's needed to heat 10,000 gallons of water sitting down in the ground from 55 degrees F to 75 degrees F. One BTU is needed to raise one POUND of water by 1 degree. Fresh water is a little over 8 lbs per gallon. So... 20 degrees x 8 pounds x 10,000 gallons = 1.6 million BTU and that is not counting the ground itself soaking up the heat away from the water underground. Someone can double check the math but it is in that ball park.
Tidal Gardens great science info. I also saw later your video you can add more tanks if needed. Your maths proves it wouldn’t be needed for the temperature. Thanks!
16 dislikes from the 16 plumbers who couldn't cut it. Very nice install!.. Are there heat exchangers in each tank with the cool water circulating through them to cool the tank?
Wow this setup is so incredible if I ever visited the states it would be on my list of places to visit. I’m sure people have asked but will this be open to the public?
We have visits by appointment but right now the state is on lockdown so we are not accepting visitors. We do allow curbside pickup of online orders for locals, but no access to the facilities at this time.
:) Hi from South Texas. I am setting up a mixed reef tank. On previous Marine tanks I ran a heater but a friend told me he never runs a heater. I keep my house temp set at 72 and my tank seems to be holding steady around 74.5. But in doing some internet research I seem to get the consistent you should be at 77. Whats your thoughts? Is 74 OK? or to low. Thanks.
Hi Than! Amazing setup here! Funny enough... Randy and Ryan from BRS mentioned to reach out to you about geothermal heating and cooling as they recalled you being the only one out there doing this. I live here in Florida and I have a 500 gallon outdoor system that I have been racking my head on how to geothermal cool it. What are you using on both sides as your heat exchange? Copper in the ground and looped pex inside your sumps? Thanks bud! Your videos are truly inspiring!
At 3:50 he said "about 1000 ft of pex coils down there." I'm guessing he wouldn't want copper in the cement cisterns he's using for RO/DI source water. I can also only assume he isn't running his aquariums' salt water through the geo cooling plumbing given those brass junctions and that specialized pressure actuated pump. In that case I guess the fluid in the cooling lines is isolated like you noted. I then wonder what would make a good fluid in a cooling loop other than water.
@@billforigno Good Call out! I totally missed that was in the cisterns... I thought it was what he mentioned was in the sump as the exchanger. I think glycol was what I read was the best heat exchange fluid if its a closed loop... but still scary to put anything but RO running through the lines in the case of leaks. The other way you would think is to send the tank salt water itself through the lines... but again... so much risk if any leaks/seepage occurs.
Hi, one more time, thanks for sharing so informative video! Regarding your problematic of cooling / heating fighting, relay servitude may end up with non-convergent oscillation. You give prio to heat over cool, is it suitable with corals? (no exp. in this domain..) I wonder if, based on room temp, you can't predict normal duration between cooling and heating, if it repeat it, and compare with what is currently happening. If it is shorter, then it detects what could be an issue with probes. ;-)
This video makes it sound like this cooling system is all encompassing, but in reality there are multiple systems at work to cool the tanks down. We went over 10 years using other methods to cool the greenhouse tanks down and this geothermal system is just another layer of cooling technology available. The hope is we won't even need this system to run very much if the other systems can handle the heat during the summer. It is only when we have multiple 90-degree days in a row that they tend to get overwhelmed and a system like this will help a lot. The potential conflict overlap only happens on very goofy times where the temperature is just right outside that the systems will get confused. Normally either it is way too cold out or way too hot out.
That's pretty amazing Than. Tell me, since it's a geothermal system officially, does the state of Ohio offer tax incentives and cost share programs for Geo? NY does and a few years ago i had installed a 14Kw solar system. All the incentive programs paid for more than half the cost of the system. That being said, do you plan on a solar system for your buildings? I would next like to invest in a couple of vertical wind turbines .
I don't think there are any incentives right now unfortunately. Previously there was an incentive program for electrical reduction through the energy company but they suspended it a few months ago. As for solar, it is something I would like to do in a couple of years but before I do any project like that I want to get done with all the aquariums. Our electric bill right now is pretty manageable but once everything is up and running solar will look better and better.
Hi! Are you guys running a close-loop heating/cooling with Titanium heat exchangers or other heat exchanger is each system? Looking at building something similar but storing chilled water that was cooled using solar power.
No, I'm not using titanium. The PEX coils act as a heat exchanger. I haven't used titanium before but it might be a good choice if you are space constrained.
Things like radiant floor heating and geothermal is very uncommon but after having used it personally I would never do a house or building without it. It is so nice.
This is awsome! I could also do this on a smaller scale? I bought a new house with a barn for expanding my hobby to more professional here in the Netherlands.
You could do something similar just by burying the tubing if the ground stays cool. In the Netherlands it is probably fine, but some geographies the ground temperature is hot. Also, it is far less expensive to do a single aquarium rather than having a system that has to route cooling to 9 different systems on demand.
@@tidalgardens we don't have a hot climate here.. I also will collect rainwater. I think I will have arround 3 coral systems in there and 1 fish system
This facility must of cost a fortune to build....I hope your doing WWC kind of business to pay for it. Good luck I hope you do well the facility is gorgeous. I wish I lived closer to take a look at everything you are doing I’m an electrician I would love to see how they did everything.
Our first electricians goofed up a lot of stuff that is slowly getting cleaned up by a different company. Unfortunately I don't know electrical like I know plumbing so I was not able to see all the stuff they did wrong as they were doing it.
Wow. That sucks I had to fire my contractor who was building my home. It sucks. Good luck the place is a work of art it’s crazy hope everything goes well now.
The old system was just the cost of the tubing basically and we ran water through it like a hose, so in the dead of summer we watered the lawn a lot. This system is a lot more expensive but it doesn't use any water since it is a closed loop.
It is something I am going to look at in a year or two. Right now our electrical usage is manageable but as we fully build out the aquarium systems solar is going to look more and more attractive.
The water running inside the pipes is fresh water as a closed system so there is no salt water from the aquariums that comes in contact with the copper components of the heating or cooling system.
This video is for all the technology geeks out there.
@@urielmesenja1040 religion is treatable, take care of yourself
uriel mesenja come on can you not see what’s happening here?? Thans building an Arc for all the corals! Surely Jesus loves him for that?!
uriel mesenja why do I feel that I’ve just suffered head trauma via a Bible?
@@urielmesenja1040 You need to see a doctor. It's all fantasy and make believe. Science killed god and proved that "you" crazy people are just that, crazy.
Look after yourself, help will be given to those who ask.
uriel mesenja dude shut up. No one gives a shit about your religion and your silly beliefs. God loves this shit so piss off lol
insane setup ! im a plumber by trade and that is some tidy work and a serious amount of money and thought been laid out , keep up the good work
When I show my friends sometimes their eyes glaze over and are happy that I'm happy, but the people that know really know ;)
As a plumber myself, I always wondered about a set up like this. Little did I know the guy I watch had it. The quality they put in is insane. You get what you pay for. You have a refined eye for what works. Pretty cool keep it up. Rock solid stable system
You don’t know how many times I’ve debated asking you to give me a corner to live in and help you grow tidal gardens. Lol.
Careful what you wish for Matt, this is a hostile work environment!
Than is the only Aquarist wearing a silk vest in a video. Classy as his system.
And a Rolex Datejust II...
@@Arteolike Well, it basically tells what kind of clientele he might have.
12:00 As a plumber myself i can say your plumber is an artist i don't see a drop of solder spill anywhere!
Kalkanort Thats why he’s called the plumbing Ninja
Place is looking amazing
Than you know you are a mad scientist right? You are, and thanks for taking us along with you!!
Yes I am!
Good lord, this is absolutely amazing!!
Thank you! 😊
Very well thought out. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks homie!
This is truly a geothermal cooling system. The in-ground heat pumps have better efficiency than using ambient air but the much higher installation costs make the payback period much longer.
I've wanted to use 55 degree ground water to provide chilled water for air conditioning of an off grid home, using solar power to pump the closed loop water. The underground concrete cistern for water storage and thermal storage is brilliant.
Thank you!
Thank you for providing these videos. You are a class act through and through.
Glad you like them!
This build continues to blow my mind. You've thought of everything! Thanks for sharing Than.
My pleasure!
WOW! Amazing setup. A big win for us reefers and our aquaculture future.
Nice to see you are using a high quality Danish pump 🇩🇰👍😀
Yes we are!
@@tidalgardens so wen are you going to ship coral for 🇪🇺 🇩🇰 🙏🙄😊
We can send you some more pumps 👍
Kind of like a "corals for pumps" program.
Sorry 🙏 You must get tired of that same question, over and over again, but we love you corals and video's.
Awesome video. Definitely geeked out for sure. Love it.
You must have some serious money for all that new building.
And the award for best dressed reefer of all time goes too... drum roll... Than!! (Hope I spelled that right)
Nice to see you. Looks great.
I do not know what to wish for any more. Thank you
The clean setups give grown men goosebumps! Beautiful, absolutely beautiful!
These things are huge snake pit risks so I am all about clean plumbing and wire management.
love how you use rain water for RODI; pretty slick using it as a heat loop to cool the tanks. Not to mention the super clean install !
The clean install is all about the plumbers. They are the best I've ever seen.
@@tidalgardens I'd argue you're "plumbers" are actually hydronic heating techs ;)
@@tidalgardens either way very clean. Love the farm and the tips 👍👍
Here is a Little information about your water pump is one of the best in the world it is designed in denmark world class pump .. You video is so good and help full I hope all the best for you and your coral farm
best regards jens from Denmark
Thanks for that!
Love watching these updates. You hired good people for sure
There were some knuckleheads along the way but we are in a good place now with the contractors :)
You have inspired quite a lot of people I’m sure you know. Keep it up. Starting my own coral side hustle and hope to someday grow it into something on such a scale.
Best of luck, that's how TG started. It was a long time side hustle.
@ Than
I loved all the thoughts you put into this entire farm.
Love the suit too. Best dressed man in reefing, hands down. No shorts are crocks for you. Love it!!
Amazing
Awesome.
I’m glad you found great contractors for this build it is so hard to find good contractors it’s very stressful.
Oh, I've had my share of bad contractors on this project, but we are in a good place now.
This one interesting video Than amazing setup thanks for sharing keep them coming 👍👍
That system is fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Michaelangelo or Picasso were alive today they would be impressed. This whole building is a work of art Than. I've been looking at rainwater harvesting and this is just on another level! Probably one of the favorite parts of this whole building.
I love this sort of build. It's pretty clear that I am an infrastructure guy.
uriel mesenja WTF really dude? You know this is just an aquarium Chanel right? There are thousands of other videos with “sinners” that need saving go on!! There is a bible that’s needs beating somewhere else
uriel mesenja We ALL must answer for how we have lived our lives but it is not your place to tell others how to spend there precious time here. It is inappropriate for you to spout these comments when he posts these videos for everyone’s benefit to help all of us to become better. In these crazy times we should band together not stand on your soapbox and throw stones. Know why he has the “best” of everything? Cause he worked his ass off for years and earned it the hard way! I applaud him and I could never thank him enough for what he has taught me and many others. The educators are the real life saints! Than don’t let anybody try and bring you down! You earned the good things you have in life. Thanks for sharing it with me
uriel mesenja ok you win I am going to hell! I might as well have some fun then. Like my man Billy says I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. You win I’m gonna play with my tank now good night and good luck with all THAT! I’ll save a seat for you
Your efforts and passion for what you do really show. Thank you for sharing so much hard work and planning. I am having a really hard time trying to sort through all of the almost good enough cooling systems on UA-cam. I am looking to have a green house near my home in California and am very concerned about too much heat in the summer. Do you have any recommendations for how to keep approximately 25’-L x 60’-W x 12’-H cool? I would really like to have a geothermal system but most of the videos I’ve watched don’t instill me with a lot of confidence in keeping the Air temp below 80º-85ºf. Any help in trying to figure this out would be so appreciated. Best of luck to you in the New Year.
Than, This is what I call an Awesome Build thread. You are taking almost as long as I have with a 55 cube and a 40b.
Completely in love with this set up.
I'm pretty excited about it.
I love it man. Keep up the good work 👌
Your videos have helped me advance/deepen my knowledge in reef keeping immensely over the years.
Wish I could work in your facility and bring my electrical ingenuity to work building/maintaining the tech you have 👍
Awesome, thank you!
that is impressive cooling system, massive as well and brilliantly using rain water as well amazzinnggg
Love all the technical details. Great video!
Absolutely fantastic to see this system coming today - such a huge scale and thorough design.
Question:
How do you monitor water level in the cisterns?
Comment:
The could are a great idea but having them tightly wound (I.e. little separation between the different 'passes' of the coil) is not ideal from a heat transferperspective.
We don't have any remote monitoring of the water level in the cistern but we can just open them up and look inside if we are curious.
Your build should almost qualify for a LEED Platinum rating. 👍🏾👍🏾
This is what I love about your channel. I hope one day to be able to have my own smaller scale farm like yours.
Go bigger!
Love the vid, really interesting!
That temperature management equipment wall is just sexy and I definitely agree on the variable speed pump AIO pump-screen form-factor being neat. Also little side note, the christmas lights on the side-rail grating looks nice too :P
I put up those lights for a holiday party a few months ago and I liked them so much they became a permanent fixture.
Merci pour cette vidéo !!! 👍👍👍
Hello. Do you monitor the water temperature in the cistern ? Do you see difference during the summer or winter ? Do you belive if we can use a geothermal chiller in a tropical country ? Do you also measure the water pressure inside the coils at the cirstern to monitor leaks ?
System well planned, How are you managing bacteria issues in the stored water ? What do you believe your water turn over rate is ie how much water you using Versus filling. When we do underground tanks in the UK they can if not managed well stink
You can see in this video how we go about treating the water in the cistern before we use it: ua-cam.com/video/omPDRPfBfBY/v-deo.html
I'm a big fan of yours solutions and the way you translated all of your previous knowledge always trying to eliminate old mistakes and using the state of art in equipments.im curious to know how do you monitor leakages in the cooling hoses inside the rain taks ? Can you enter in the tank to inspect the coils ? Do you also have a temp sensor inside the rain tank as well water level sensors ? I saw that you live in a super cold place. Do you have sensors controlling the internal building temperature opening windows to renovate the room air and temperature ? Thanks from a coral lover from Rio de Janeiro Brazil
So the chances of a leak in the coil is REALLY unlikely, but if there was one, I would expect to see a pressure drop in the system which would be picked up by both gauges as well as the pump display. It is possible to get into the cisterns with a ladder if you pump all the water out. As for air, we have four air exchangers called Heat Recovery Ventilators (HRVs) that constantly swap the inside air with outside air without losing a lot of heat. They work GREAT in the winter to keep the air inside the building dry.
Nice Lochinvar Knight boilers! I’ve sold them for years!!
They are great units. We've had them now for a couple years heating all the tanks as well as the floor.
could you get tropical level heat in a cold area to grow things more eficiently and closer to home ?
or the revers extra cold in a warm place for a chilled room to store perishables ?
or is it just for average heat / cooling ?
This is an impressive system. How cost efficient is using rainwater over well/public water on filter replacement for the ro/di unit
Such a great cooling system. We should be doing this in Australia with our homes.
I've always been told that using rainwater on RO is difficult due to biofouling. IE since the water isn't chlorinated you get bacteria growth clogging everything up. Has that been an issue?
The rain water has to be treated before it gets to the RO. We run it through chlorine as well as carbon and micron stages.
Wonderful. I love these innovations you're using. Great for the environment as well.
Any reason you haven't tried use PT-1000 temperature probes with calibration? It basically eliminates the false resistance in the cables. Since you spoke about different readings, it feels like most of the temperature probes are PT-100, which is common in commercial grade equipment.
And since you mentioned clean wire management. Have you've installed a lot of back-up piping between the house and green house for future wiring/plumbing that may come? For example, a 'cable grave'.
Funny you mention the future/just in case piping. I requested several extras. Over the construction of this place the project scope expanded and we used every single one of them. My plumber was telling me the other day had he known that this place would be more research lab than warehouse he would have installed a dozen more.
This is a great behind the scenes look into the systems. You can tell you really enjoy the industrial side of things. One question. Since you have the new building do you think you will ever migrate all the livestock from the greenhouse over to the new building in order to redo the greenhouse systems to make them more efficient?
My family and staff here roll their eyes when I talk about it, but yes I would like to re-work all of the systems in the greenhouse. I would probably NOT move everything over to the new building to do so just to keep things over there as clean as possible, but there is some serious room for improvement in the greenhouse. Having said that, the existing greenhouse has some amazing state of the art tech in there, but it also has 12 years of older infrastructure that I would like to re-work.
Capt. Than Kirk- “Scotty I need MORE POWER!!! Warp cooling 11!!!”
Amazing stuff man
Thanks!
Amazing!
Amazing stuff. You have definitely raised the bar for coral farms. And to think I was excited by my AWC to the garage. At some point will the water in the system warm up or be low as it’s consumed? Thanks for the very cool video Than! 😎
It is unlikely. The ground is constantly soaking up the heat, and the bottom of the cistern is over 12' down in the ground. Another way to look at it is to consider the amount of BTU's needed to heat 10,000 gallons of water sitting down in the ground from 55 degrees F to 75 degrees F. One BTU is needed to raise one POUND of water by 1 degree. Fresh water is a little over 8 lbs per gallon. So... 20 degrees x 8 pounds x 10,000 gallons = 1.6 million BTU and that is not counting the ground itself soaking up the heat away from the water underground. Someone can double check the math but it is in that ball park.
Tidal Gardens great science info. I also saw later your video you can add more tanks if needed. Your maths proves it wouldn’t be needed for the temperature. Thanks!
16 dislikes from the 16 plumbers who couldn't cut it. Very nice install!.. Are there heat exchangers in each tank with the cool water circulating through them to cool the tank?
Wow this setup is so incredible if I ever visited the states it would be on my list of places to visit. I’m sure people have asked but will this be open to the public?
We have visits by appointment but right now the state is on lockdown so we are not accepting visitors. We do allow curbside pickup of online orders for locals, but no access to the facilities at this time.
Would you consider shipping orders to Canada in the future!?
Your facility is amazing and your website offers corals I desperately want to buy!!
:) Hi from South Texas. I am setting up a mixed reef tank. On previous
Marine tanks I ran a heater but a friend told me he never runs a
heater. I keep my house temp set at 72 and my tank seems to be holding
steady around 74.5. But in doing some internet research I seem
to get the consistent you should be at 77. Whats your thoughts? Is 74
OK? or to low. Thanks.
It's probably fine if you keep it consistent, but it is on the chilly side. I shoot for 77.
Hi Than! Amazing setup here! Funny enough... Randy and Ryan from BRS mentioned to reach out to you about geothermal heating and cooling as they recalled you being the only one out there doing this. I live here in Florida and I have a 500 gallon outdoor system that I have been racking my head on how to geothermal cool it. What are you using on both sides as your heat exchange? Copper in the ground and looped pex inside your sumps? Thanks bud! Your videos are truly inspiring!
At 3:50 he said "about 1000 ft of pex coils down there." I'm guessing he wouldn't want copper in the cement cisterns he's using for RO/DI source water. I can also only assume he isn't running his aquariums' salt water through the geo cooling plumbing given those brass junctions and that specialized pressure actuated pump. In that case I guess the fluid in the cooling lines is isolated like you noted. I then wonder what would make a good fluid in a cooling loop other than water.
@@billforigno Good Call out! I totally missed that was in the cisterns... I thought it was what he mentioned was in the sump as the exchanger. I think glycol was what I read was the best heat exchange fluid if its a closed loop... but still scary to put anything but RO running through the lines in the case of leaks. The other way you would think is to send the tank salt water itself through the lines... but again... so much risk if any leaks/seepage occurs.
Hi, one more time, thanks for sharing so informative video! Regarding your problematic of cooling / heating fighting, relay servitude may end up with non-convergent oscillation. You give prio to heat over cool, is it suitable with corals? (no exp. in this domain..) I wonder if, based on room temp, you can't predict normal duration between cooling and heating, if it repeat it, and compare with what is currently happening. If it is shorter, then it detects what could be an issue with probes. ;-)
This video makes it sound like this cooling system is all encompassing, but in reality there are multiple systems at work to cool the tanks down. We went over 10 years using other methods to cool the greenhouse tanks down and this geothermal system is just another layer of cooling technology available. The hope is we won't even need this system to run very much if the other systems can handle the heat during the summer. It is only when we have multiple 90-degree days in a row that they tend to get overwhelmed and a system like this will help a lot.
The potential conflict overlap only happens on very goofy times where the temperature is just right outside that the systems will get confused. Normally either it is way too cold out or way too hot out.
Genius! Very sick set up. Question: any worries of the salt water corroding the valves or any metal leaching in at the valve points ?
The cooling coils are closed systems and they are filled with fresh water so there is no salt water contacting the mechanical devices in that way.
Tidal Gardens duh ! Lol 😂 🤦🏾♂️ . I totally forgot you said that . Thanks !!
That's pretty amazing Than. Tell me, since it's a geothermal system officially, does the state of Ohio offer tax incentives and cost share programs for Geo? NY does and a few years ago i had installed a 14Kw solar system. All the incentive programs paid for more than half the cost of the system. That being said, do you plan on a solar system for your buildings? I would next like to invest in a couple of vertical wind turbines .
I don't think there are any incentives right now unfortunately. Previously there was an incentive program for electrical reduction through the energy company but they suspended it a few months ago. As for solar, it is something I would like to do in a couple of years but before I do any project like that I want to get done with all the aquariums. Our electric bill right now is pretty manageable but once everything is up and running solar will look better and better.
Hi!
Are you guys running a close-loop heating/cooling with Titanium heat exchangers or other heat exchanger is each system?
Looking at building something similar but storing chilled water that was cooled using solar power.
No, I'm not using titanium. The PEX coils act as a heat exchanger. I haven't used titanium before but it might be a good choice if you are space constrained.
Tidal Gardens , so you are running cistern water through the PEX coils located in your sump?
Geothermal heating/cooling is amazing...it should be used more for residential use than it currently is.
Things like radiant floor heating and geothermal is very uncommon but after having used it personally I would never do a house or building without it. It is so nice.
What a nerdfest. That's what I love here.
4:00 minute i see some omega reef buckets ,do you use omega reef for something on tidal gardens?
Yes that's the salt we use currently.
Tidal Gardens thank you , im hoping to use it in my new tank
This is awsome! I could also do this on a smaller scale? I bought a new house with a barn for expanding my hobby to more professional here in the Netherlands.
You could do something similar just by burying the tubing if the ground stays cool. In the Netherlands it is probably fine, but some geographies the ground temperature is hot. Also, it is far less expensive to do a single aquarium rather than having a system that has to route cooling to 9 different systems on demand.
@@tidalgardens we don't have a hot climate here.. I also will collect rainwater. I think I will have arround 3 coral systems in there and 1 fish system
I've seen a copper pipes on your video are these for salt water?
no
This facility must of cost a fortune to build....I hope your doing WWC kind of business to pay for it. Good luck I hope you do well the facility is gorgeous. I wish I lived closer to take a look at everything you are doing I’m an electrician I would love to see how they did everything.
Our first electricians goofed up a lot of stuff that is slowly getting cleaned up by a different company. Unfortunately I don't know electrical like I know plumbing so I was not able to see all the stuff they did wrong as they were doing it.
Wow. That sucks I had to fire my contractor who was building my home. It sucks. Good luck the place is a work of art it’s crazy hope everything goes well now.
Is Grundfoss pump you are using is that stainless ??
No, these are iron. Stainless would be better but it doesn't impact performance.
how much does it compare in cost compared to your old system?
The old system was just the cost of the tubing basically and we ran water through it like a hose, so in the dead of summer we watered the lawn a lot. This system is a lot more expensive but it doesn't use any water since it is a closed loop.
7 dislikes were from viewers not from Engineering background. 😂
Have you thought about adding solar panels To cut down on Electra city use
It is something I am going to look at in a year or two. Right now our electrical usage is manageable but as we fully build out the aquarium systems solar is going to look more and more attractive.
Did you take a look at the hair on your back of your head... I couldnt focus on anything else once I saw it.. But hey great video :-)
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That’s the most legit system I’ve seen 😍
Using copper pipes not a problem? I’m new to the hobby.
The water running inside the pipes is fresh water as a closed system so there is no salt water from the aquariums that comes in contact with the copper components of the heating or cooling system.
You the man.
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Don’t even get me started on the geothermal...
If there wasn’t a public motel, I could spend my fence money on geothermal with you.
A really „cool“ cooling system 😂