Freedom from a Punishment-Based Relationship with God
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- Our mental, emotional and relationship struggles can be a signal that how we relate to God needs healing. Are we able to experience connection to who God is in His love, or do you find that your journey is highly influenced by a punishment based perspective. In this broadcast I want to talk about what a punishment based relationship does and how to experience greater freedom.
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I firmly believe you're saving lives with this type of teaching, not even exaggerating. A lot of people in church don't realize how detrimental a lot of our religious teachings are to a persons mental and emotional health. You are truly doing God's work by bringing light to dynamics that many brush over
Mark, you may have just saved mine.
Amen
Saved my life lol. Praise God!
I couldn't agree more! Breaking curses
Yes!!! 🎉🎉🎉
I grew up with an abusive father along with being raised strict Pentecostal.
I think those have made knowing God loves me almost impossible to see. I can't wait for the day that it finally hits me and I don't doubt anymore
Im the exact same way. Praying for you
Same.
@@whittakerdanielj
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I've been doing the Gospel wrong: Perfomance and punishment based. No wonder I'm exhausted. 😕
Yes, I hear you,me too. Thank God for grace 😅🙏💜
Same amen all sorts of madness
Me too😢
WoW, my exact sentiment
Me too and now god is freeing us
Probably the most important content on the internet. Everyone, absolutely everyone needs to hear this.
Me too👍
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You got that right.
"Just when you think you are at your worst, God's capacity to love you has only just begun. It is increasing evermore." \○/ This video is one of the most helpful ever!! Thank you!! 🙏
I often find myself having extreme anxiety and fear at the thought of dying in my sins and receiving eternal punishment from God. I'm most definitely punishment based in my relationship with God.
That's what Christianity can do to you.
@@mattr.1887no. This is what religion does to you. Christianity is about love, not condemnation. The problem isn't with God or Christianity. The problem is with "holier than thou" types who teach "fear God or he will punish you!" And "if you sin after you were saved, God will hate you forever!" Jesus never taught that. People just twist his words.
Hows recovery going ❤
@@mattr.1887that's not Chrisitanity. It's man made religions that causes distress
@@jamesvan2201Amen! To that❤🙏
This message is so impactful. I grew up in a Latin Pentecostal church. Being scared of God was deep rooted in us, rather than revering Him. It has been a journey to trust that God loves me, even in adulthood.
I know what you mean
The Bible says THE FEAR OF GOD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM
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Not sure what language that part was in or what the meaning of fear was - was it only reverence? I don’t think so -
It’s acknowledging that sin leads to a just death and disconnection from god which is a disconnect from LOVE and true justice and so we should fear that. we are also commanded to LOVE GOD by Christ.
Thank you for speaking what many don't want to say 😊
I have struggled with viewing God as a loving father. The fear i have not been able to shake is about the day of Judgment and that God would chuck me in Hell because I hwve been in fear of Him, pain in the ...., it has been a vicious circle. I am loving the praticalities of these videos.
Same here 😔
Praying for both of you i struggle with the same things just remember we are sealed until the day of redemption. 🙏🏻
@@ThatEaglesGuy11me too... yes we are sealed Romans 8:38
This message might just have saved my life. I pray for Gods grace to keep me standing . . . .I am completely depleted and chronically fatigued. 🤦🏼♂️😖This is me 100%.....and the Church is telling me Im under spiritual attack all the time. 😖😖🤦🏼♂️ The fact that I had an absent father Im guessing is not really helping my disposition at all...😰😣
I've waited my whole life to hear a teacher like you.
ONLY SIX MINUTES AND TWENTY FOUR SECONDS IN AND MY SOUL IS SHOUTING THANK YOU HOLY GHOST!!! Thank You Jesus for Brother Mark DeJesus. Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you FREE! Let the redeemed of the Lord say so!
That was so good Mark. Why is it so hard to let God love us?! Ugh!
Bc we are human using human understanding - we can’t understand the justice of god which offers love and salvation bc we think of justice as punishment for wrongs - god sees it differently bc god sees the wrongs differently también
@@ipt3000 thank you
@@briannajenell same here 😔 This is when we need to just Believe what his word says, period.
Wow. Ive never felt so singled out in my life. Not in a bad way, but because every thing you said described me perfectly. A punishment based relationship with God, feeling good when i went to church and feeling condemned or guilty when i missed...all of this has been causing me anxiety.
I’ve lived with a skewed view of God for so long. I thought it was performance based, which made me run and fear God. I felt like I couldn’t make any mistakes or do the “wrong” thing. Especially, when it comes to romantic relationships. I didn’t want them to “block” my blessings or destiny. I felt like my punishment was OCD and anxiety. This really helped me. God’s love doesn’t come with conditions! Mark, keep going. You’re doing God’s work.
I thank God for you Mark, I’ve been so stuck in the religious condemnation and shame, I’ve gone through all of your books and you have changed so much for me and I realise how deep the teachings are from the church and how they have impacted me. It’s hard cause it’s always those teachings that come back and I have to come back to your teachings time and time again xx
This is the one of the best videos I have ever seen when it comes to fear anxiety and mental health from a Christian perspective !
Mr. DeJesus, I feel thrilled as I listen to your teachings, THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE! 🙌🏽 Thank you for your bravery, you're shining a light in the dark for many of us who are exhausted, disappointed, distrustful and ultimately on the verge of giving up on faith. May God continue to bestow wisdom onto you.
Thank you brother!I have a book to recommend its called by grace alone by Derek Prince. I've been going in circles & I left two churches because of religion. Derek prince says religions like to mix law & Grace. It's easier to tell us "sinners" we need to repent. But to tell me I'm righteous because I accept Jesus as my savior. It sounds too easy. Why does it feel so uncomfortable to do Nothing?!
Because that's the beauty of it Jesus did all the work on the cross. We can rest in him and not have to do any work cause the work has already been done by are mighty Lord and savior. We can rest in him knowing that we're saved. My grandpa told me it's not a do salvation but it's a done salvation 😇🩸✝️🐑🕊️🤍
My abusive father who is not in relationship with God. Is the punisher.
Our heavenly Father is loving, good and no shadow of turning. Same yesterday, today and forever. I struggle to connect because my experience and head knowledge are incongruent.
Sabbath, Feasts, and even eating Kosher I enjoy it.
This channel is the Best consouler or therapist ever I have had
Your a true blessing for hurting people to see God's love for them instead of judgment .
It's freeing many people opening thier eyes to the truth.
I was preparing for confession the past couple days fearing that this sin would be the one to which God said I'm done with you depart from me. Obviously what He said was "I forgive you". This teaching has helped me realize how little I truly comprehend God's boundless love, grace, and mercy. GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST!🕊
Great words. Understanding love, but unconditional love is very difficult. I am working through this myself. Thank you.
I can’t believe I came upon this video 🥲 I could cry, God really does hear you. I was raised in a severely legalistic Pentecostal church and it messed me up so bad. I’m at a place in my life right now where I feel so confused about God and everything that I don’t know how to have a REAL relationship with Him. This video described my struggle perfectly. God is definitely using you, there are so many people like me. The Pentecostal church is BAD with this. I’m baptized In Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost, Just been distant from God and trying to find how to get out of the punishment based relationship.
Finally a way out of the continual rat race of self condemnation and struggling. Thank you 56:30
This is was good. I was a product of my dad using the fear of God to control me and my siblings. He would say things like, "If you are lying, God will strike your mother down." This kind of fear based statements created in me, an idea, an image of God waiting to strike me down. So hard. Working through so much. Thank you for your ministry. You are a blessing....more than you know.
Oh wow, I am so sorry about the way your father raised you!! 😣
A message that our people our crying silently for. Thank you for spreading the good news ❤️
I love this message truly...Your ministry has helped so much...It was a help that was not overnight but has taken months, and I'm grateful that God has worked through you!
I’ve had many burnouts trying to perform for Gods love, performance was my whole life. I did not know how to “BE” at all. I realize just being is relational. Like just hanging out with someone. I did not know how to do that at all, I’m starting to learn to receive Gods love by just being with him and realizing I can do nothing, but just show up and receive. The more I see his goodness the more I’m changing from “have to” to “get to”. Receiving Gods love and just being loved and ministering out of the overflow as he directs is two of the huge missing ingredients to the western believers. Churches are performance factories both religious and legalistic.
I asked Jesus in my life at 12 got out of church at 15 went back in my 40s my mom talked of hell and the Lord destroying the world by fire ....God i want to be free
As someone struggling with a particular sin and not necessarily ready to walk away I needed this. I want to change and be better but I feel like right now my want for change is a fear of hell rather than just the want to do what’s right. I know what I’m doing is wrong, I constantly repent but apart of me believes god will punish me for not turning away when I think I need to turn away. I don’t want to love god and do better because of fear! But I want to be a better Christian authentically because I Believe a change based on fear will result to me going back to what I know is not right
for years hurting inside for many years my mom manipulated me with her church Christian religion using fearful scriptures and the truth is that all I desired was safety n security n all I learned was to protect myself from being emotionally bullied by her. She boast alot in her performance legalism n she very perfectionist she always knows it all soo sad ...
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Thank you for this, Mark. I slid back into some former sins and to the guilt, shame, condemnation cycle again without even realizing it. Thank you for reminding me of the love of Hashem
Recently found you on YT and your messages have helped re-wire my thibking of God SO MUCH. Like every message speaks DIRECTLY to me and what i struggle with as a christian and someone who struggles with anxiety/ depression/ OCD/ my view of a “punishment God”/ perfectionism. Your messages are SO SO valued. thank you. 🙏🏾 Its amazing how directly your messages apply to me.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video, the Holy Spirit was definitely speaking thru you to me and the Lord confirmed many things to me as i watched. I also noticed changes happening as i was listeing, praise the Lord! Thank you Lord Jesus!! God bless you and your family!❤❤❤
Yeah, a key to being a good father isn’t tearing down your kid all the time whenever he messes up.
Thank you so much Mark. I have been struggling with this all my life and grew up with an abusive Dad. This is what causes a lot of my disconnect. I thank God He brought me to you videos months ago. Has truly been healing me . I was on medication for religious scrupulously that as t led to severe depression . The churches and deliverance ministries made me feel like it was my fault ( most of them) . Wished I had heard these messages years ago . Thank you & God bless you.
Yes I have been living with a fear of a punishment God and I have been miserable. It actually came from someone in the church that I gave my troubles to all the Time instead of God. I have cut that relationship and am praying for healing and to see God for his love
Yes, i view God as a God who just tolerates me. Two covid years made me also feel alot of distance between God and me. As i was in isolation 4 hours per day.
Thank you for this Mark. I'm struggling with this hard right now.
Same
I have finally found someone who gets me. I have found hope and encouragement in everything I have watched of yours so far. Thank you!!
I just told my husband, I think this is the most important video I’ve ever seen. Thank you so much!! Praise Jesus for this content and how He uses you and your channel Mark 🙏🏻
Minutes 18:13-19:00 hit me hard. Had to listen over a few times
I’ve felt this for years and didn’t know how to articulate it until now thanks to you. Thank you so much!
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I NEEDED THIS. I have been a Church of Christ member for at least 40 plus years and I struggle with this every day. I see God just the same as how I saw my earthly father who used to whip me as a kid as a form of punishment. Just seeing him coming in my direction after my mother warned me, "Just wait until your father comes home" would make me wet the floor in fear.
My mom always said that to me I was brought up in the church of christ and sadly mom was very critical and judgey
Differentiating between the outcome of sin vs. tribulations.
Our perspective and perception of the circumstances can cultivate things that are not actually there. Im learning instead of going before the Father to ask "what did i do wrong" (punishment), my husband encouraged me to ask "Father, what is this?" It takes the focus off of me, the circumstances and places attention back on the Father trusting He cares.
Tribulations without the proper tools can make one feel they have done some things wrong too. God's children are called to a conscience of righteousness not sin.
In this life we will have trials and tribulation which involves persecutions, accusation, hate, dislike, division simply because of our spiritual identity IN Christ(even if we are not fully confident in who we are, yet). This is why we are encouraged to rightfully divide the word of truth to show ourselves approved to God, we have nothing to be ashamed of in the midst of the Trial and tribulation. Strengthen and assured in our Father's Love.
This was one of the deepest and most helpful videos ever. I've been struggling since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit and my hardened heart. This video helped point me in the right direction.
Hi Mark! Your videos (and BOOKS! - which btw have helped me more than going to a counselor!!!) are a wonderful complement when it comes to putting what we have studied and continue to study via scripture, into play regarding the love of God. I am realizing more and more that I have been living a fear-based life (just like my Mom did). Keep those coming please - since we are all broken while in the flesh, your videos are definite "go-tos" and more than once :)
amen! nice to hear after a shaming Sunday/ Wednesday service or rather 1,542 of them 😢
awww I hope you are feeling better & growing in the love of the Lord.
What has really hurt me the most, is the belief that God is the source of "everything" (good and bad). It is Deterministic, pagan and very destructive. How can I love God if he is the source of my pain and suffering? I cannot (will not). I could possibly serve him like a slave but not accept or return love with him.
I really feel this. God is good. And He can use my pain and suffering for good but would never ever want it or author it. That's my belief.
This channel is wisdom 🙌 filled
I love what your teaching!!! I’ve struggled with self hatred and addiction a life time. This is the best information I’ve ever heard about habits and self loathing ocd behavior. Thank you for In lighting me with TRUTH. How were not awful sinners but broken people in need of Gods love and self love ❤😊
You bring up 1 John a lot Mark.
Don’t stop!!! Lol. So powerful!
Can’t get enough. Ton of healing.
And repent of, and repent of, and repent of.... yup! I find myself saying... stop chasing your symptoms. The problem is not the problem! The symptoms are just a distraction.
I am extremely grateful for your ministry !!!! I discovered your channel today 11/6/23!!! I have listened to various topics !!! I appreciate you sharing your on experiences it helps greatly!!!!!! Thank you sooooooooo much!!!!!! Thank you a million times over!!!!!!!
I as well just found this channel it's opening my eyes to issues that I've had such a hard time with all my life. So I'm in much agreement with your comment. God is so Good 🌿🤍🕊
❤ You are so experienced and clear when you explain the performance based relationship with the Lord. Thank you Mark!! God bless you and your family.
My spiritual rituals to please God started giving me anxiety panic attacks for sure
Excellent, love is who He is, grace is how he does it 🙏😅 💜
I know Jehovah my Father is good, my heart is wicked I know this because I examine myself , the ones who don't care about God don't care of their evil thoughts. But for those who know God and love God it crushes our heart when we sin.
Hi!
Are you a Jehovah's Witnesses?
Thank you sir for this powerful and impactful teaching. For the first time in decades I now experience my road to freedom.
Love you from another brother from India brother Mark. Please continue to train us in such issues ❤
The world must hear this ❤
Thanks mark for sending this message to me.. Thank YOU LORD for not giving up on me..being my strength in the midst of weakmess, fear and struggle..GOD is good all the time..
Oh my gosh thank you, thank you!
How many times can I like this? ❤
Brillant thank you mark ❤
This video has echoed the conversations and thoughts I've had recently. Thank you
I definitely need more videos like this
Thanks Mark
This. Is. Poetry. I’m am in one of the worst moods today
May God bless you and continue to use you. I wish that more pastors were even aware of these issues.
Wow. Just, wow.
Everything you are saying is exactly what I am going through thank you for teaching this
Thank u Pastor Mark for all your videos ,have helped so much !!
Thank you Mark. You’re helping so many hurting souls.
Today I had a class in integrating psychology into Christianity and the topic was religious ocd. The secular approach is to take away faith and to treat the ocd, but the problem is that bad doctrine fuels the fire because it is what someone believes. The other was that it was solely a spiritual, Christian problem, and that it must be treated as such. Praying more, fasting ect. And I was afraid to speak up, but there are people like you who integrate psychological knowledge and faith beautifully. The key to healing many disorders is love. Religion tells us that we are not good enough, even with Jesus. But what you have done has helped me understand that I am not enough, but there is Jesus. Thank you for your teaching. I thought it would be interesting to tell you that I’m taking this college course and that you do what people debate cannot be done well. I’m not out of the woods yet but your teachings have been a lifeline. Thank you for allowing God to move like this.
I hope that you continue with your work with endurance. You can do this, keep up the good fight and running the race.
Thank you for this🙏🏽
Thank you Mark! I get more insight from your videos than from my therapist!! Go figure 😊
What a beautiful anecdote of you, your dad and his car. Great parenting.
thanks so much! I praise the Lord for your wonderful words of wisdom!
I love your content and I'm so grateful God brought me across this
So glad found this its so true i always feel iam being punish that iam not good enough i get attack so much in my mind.
I have been following you for about 5 years. How did I miss this teaching?What you are describing perfectly is Christianity Masochism which stems from narcissistic abuse from religion. This is a reference point I have finally established so I can move forward into my personal heart connected relationship with God. This makes so much sense as to why I have struggled with your book "God loves me and I love myself" I am now ready to take that journey. Thank you brother! May God continue to richly bless your teachings! I love you and appreciate you more than you could ever know! ❤
man I feel so relief with these kind of content,I wish I could stop polarizing God. Many times I am feeling good and I read bible and see things so heavy in new testament , but worse in old testament ,I am even afraid to read it .. specially kings, Jeremia ,Ezekiel,Isaiah etc
This really hit hard to home for me. Just all your analogies put into my heart some freedom. I still struggle about love and feel like a zombie.
I worry about repentance. I feel like I’m not making any effort. I choose to avoid God or the word or life in general. Then there are a lot of preachers who say repent or go to hell.
God bless you! Very important message 🙌🏾 This was a blessing, everyone please be encouraged!
Exactly what I needed. Felt I disappointed God. And that he was punishing me. Asked for prayer about something else. When I really did not believe God loved me.
this is so good. SO GOOD! exactly what i needed to hear. God is freeing me from a punishment-based relationship in this season and i have stopped reading my bible. i was wondering if i was falling farther away, but this video is confirmation that i’ve never been closer to God. thank you Mark.🙏🏻
Thank you ❤
Much needed content! Thank you!!
This is so real !
" we live on a symptom based society "
" fix the symptom " true !
When you realize you gave loved and all your symptoms by the children of the dark, no amount where based on how you were treated, no amount of loving serving giving will satisfy soul vampires.
Love yourself first, and beware of those teaching you to give and serve they may not be as GODly as you think.
Some people only think they are Christians because they get blessed, they haven’t been built up in the enemy’s camp. Beware pure sitters
Lord heal us, let us know your love for us.🙏🥰
You're speaking such truth & grace. You're tellin my story along with some of my friends.
Thank you so much!!!
You're offering freedom !!!!
Best video! 💜I am in tears 😭
AMEN…I say YES BECAUSE YOU ARE HERE !!! I to Love like you..To be ONE IN ALL MIND BODY SPIRIT HEART…STEDY
This is soooooooo good….
At the end of the day, all God gives are words. Those words may hold power, they may hold relevancy, and they may even hold truth. But they are just that, words. Not God himself, not Jesus himself. He pits all the work on us to conform to his will, to mutilate ourselves spiritually, and to constantly fast and submit. God doesn't even care enough to come and talk to us and only demands that we "have faith." God may love some, but if he loves me, he has a really crappy way of showing. All I want to do is talk with him and spend time with him, and I shouldn't have to fast, pray, and read for 3 hours a day to do so. I should just be able to look and talk to him. "That's blasphemous," people say. "Why would you demand God to conform to your wims?" People say, "God is putting you through this for a reason," people say. I am done with it, I am only asking God to do what I expect of others. If I sacrifice the time to seek, he should draw near, and I should be able to talk with him and have clear, distinct communication. That's not asking much. That's what earthly parents do with their children, so why can't God do that with us. Faith is already hard enough with the world, society, people, and even our own desires, souls, and flesh against us. But really, we add Insult to injury by having to read a vague book and develop questions that won't ever have an answer, constantly rising ourselves apart and dwelling on God's wrath because he doesn't give us relationship, or peace, or joy. God expects everything from us, but he can't even be troubled to talk to us. Dad of the year of you ask me.
I really needed to hear this praise God 😭
Preach it ❤
I was 20 and listening to Billy Graham the first time I was aware that the cross was related to forgiveness Jesus laying his life down by choice so he could take sin away .As a child I heard about penance and purgatory and how if you committed a “mortal”sin you were unsaved until you saw a priest because you couldn’t go to God directly .People’s troubles were called their “crosses .How toxic
Troubles being spoken of as if they were punishment
I heard it said “our sins put Jesus on the cross.” Catholic culture harps on the agony of Jesus and told stories about how martyrs cheerfully suffered .AND I thought the martyrs were killed as revenge for the crucifixion of Christ .Catholics are told tragedy is”God’s will I thought that is what they said .When I heard “our sins put Jesus on the cross “ it sounded like The king was assassinated 2000 years ago .You weren’t born then but you deserve punishment for it because your sins killed him.guilt by proxy.
Because of my autism there was a lot of conflict between me and others I wasn’t able to bond with parents as infant sue to sensory issues and my sensory issues caused me to cry easily and a lot sometimes for hours .Others in family hid their tears because there was unspoken message that crying wasn’t appropriate behavior .Not ever punished for crying but I had lots of shame .My parents told me they spanked or criticized me because they loved me .If that was love i didnt want it.If there was a conflict between me and an adult parents always took side of adult and I was blamed .
When I was 10 I went to mental hospital and was there over 6 years When I was 11 i was given a medication that made my anxiety much worse but no one realized the med was hurting me .Freudian psychology forgets that a patient has a body and all anxiety complaints were seen as mental.I was too young to realize the med was making me feel bad I thought I had gotten sicker I thought doctors knew what they were doing My group doctor was very compassionate and she listened to me .I didnt know how to communicate .Doctor would have taken me off meds had I could have told her that some of my bad feelings had started when meds were started.and I hadn’t felt like that before
I had hostile feelings towards Jesus even when 8 or 9.I couldn’t imagine someone would love me if it was my fault Jesus died
I was never told the scourging was to pay for our healing .I thought Jesus would hate me because I was connected to his torture .
This all set me up to hate God and perceive him as an enemy.I’m 71 now and I need healing .
I have never felt close to God and sometimes praising him has been painful .I dont even try to do “christian Performance because it hurts too much .I realize now why Jesus died and he doesnt blame anybody .I’m trying to express more gratitude.but I dont go to church because environment is too intense Too much noise and I feel pressured .I have had times usually in 70s and 80s that I sometimes left a church crying because environment was too intense .I quit going to church As adult I was attending a Bible believing church not Catholic .
I despise what the Bible says about suffering for doing good .THAT SUCKS HAVE ANY OF YOU LISTENERS HAD A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE HAVING TO SUFFER FOR SERVING GOD .HAS THAT EVER BEEN A DETERRENT TO SERVING GOD
It is not surprising why some people may think “how bad can I be and still get to heaven.”
when someone thinks that somethings wrong with the way they experience God
To me praying is like sending voicemails and wondering if anyone is listening SORRY .IM TALKING ABOUT ON MY BETTER DAYS .
ON A BAD DAY I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY I HAVE TO TALK TO A PERSON SO I CAN FEEL HEARD .
PRAYING WHEN UPSET MAKIES ME FEEL WORSE .MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MY PARENTS WAS SO POOR THAT I FELT NO SENSE OF LOSS WHEN THEY DIED.I ENVY PEOPLE WHO WERE SAD WHEN PARENTS DIED BECAUSE I MISSED THE BOND THEY ENJOYED WHEN THEIR PARENTS WERE ALIVE.
I HAVE KNOWN OTHER PEOPLE NOT IN FAMILY WHO I MISSED WHEN THEY DIED I KNEW A MAN IN 1980S FOR ABOUT 5 YEARS
WHO WAS VERY NUTURING .WHEN HE DIED I MISSED HIM A LOT THAT WAS A BIG LOSS I HAD TO LIVE WITH MISSING HIM FOR SEVERAL YEARS
The LORD loves you IJN
This is wonderful!!!!